I'm a neative spanish speaker and i find finish very easy to learn. I use Duolingo and i have open 24 different languages(for fun), finish so far one of the easiest. What about French(verbs conjugations, etc)?, i think you may find it worse.😂
Wow that's interesting! I have a lot of people on my Finnish course from different countries, one girl from Spain too and everyone is finding it very difficult. I do think the Finnish course on duolingo is very easy compared to what there is to learn and stick to a few simple verbs. For example there are 6 different types of verb and they all need to be conjugated differently according to person, number, tense and mood. There are 200 possible verb endings in Finnish. There is a vowel gredation system where you need to alter vowels at the end of words like asunto to asunnossa and äiti to äidin etc. There are a number of verbs which can have accusative objects and the other half need to be partative, but depending on context this can also change like haluaisin tomaattikeittoa (an unsoecified amount) or tomaattikeiton (1 serving) or you could say minulle tomsattikeito (1 serving but specifically to "me"). Then there's the spoken language so minä goes to mä, olen goes to on, minulla goes to mulla and then a number of words change like vessa to veski, kylpyhuone to kylppäri, ruoka to safka etc etc. French is probably hard, the accent isn't easy, but it's ranked as one of the easiest languages to learn for English speakers.
@@Finnago94 Very interesting, that will make me pay more attention, now it is a challenge. I'm in the first part of the curve (Dunning-Kruger effect) and that makes me naive, but I am used to it (self awareness), whenever one learns something new he thinks he has mastered it or that it is very easy. But what I mean is that its syntax, reading, pronunciation is simple and intuitive to me, so far. What i know are a few words: Terve, kuka sinä olet? Minä olen ... Anteeksi, tervetuloa, paljon onnea, onnea, hauska, mukava, komea, kaunis, maa, suomi, hyvä, ystava, sauna😂, ihminen, hänellä on, sinulla, minulla, millainen, koira, kissa, tuhma, kiltti, kippis, kiitos, ja, jee, mies, nainen, lapsi, ujo, rehellinen, hän, todella, aina, hiljainen, poika, tämä, valkoinen, musta, pieni, se, pupu, söpö, sininen vihreä, käärme, viro, ruotsi, norja, kylmä, kaupunki, laulu, nyt, undulaatti, onko, rouva, nimi, väärin, tyttö,... What am i learning now? Oletteko te nyt pari? Me olemme naimisissa. Minä tanssin, he ystavat yhdessä, etc. Minä olen aina rehellinen 😎😂
@@Finnago94 This is a more careful observation of your comment, because in the brevity of the first impression one does not capture much. In my ignorance i won't address the details, abstract things (200 possible endings,...) can be misleading without concret objects or examples. There must be a pattern or logic behind it that makes it more intelligible or adequate, because I suppose that even the natives themselves would make mistakes (grammar, pronunciation,...) more frequently in their own language than the natives of other languages in their respective languages. I had only heard of a similar difficulty about Icelandic. Sorry my comments are just speculations. The path of least resistance or the principle of least action (physical concept) should apply too. 😂 What would have led them to torment their lives like that? If it is easy for them it must be for others (with similar aptitudes). I don't know. Either way is a challenge.😎
I agree its a bit of a waste of time learning it unless you are living in Finland permanently. As an adult learner you are highly unlikely to achieve proficiency. Nobody wants to listen to your awful broken Finnish either, as everyone speaks either good or at least passable English. I know people who have been learning 10-15 years and still cannot manage the basics in real situations. Having said that, whilst Finnish is difficult, its not THAT hard. Its more that the culture is not that friendly to learning. Not many resources, and people don't interact in the same ways as in some other countries (not much opportunity for small talk practice) and English is preferred to incorrect Finnish, even one small mistake and they switch to English. So that makes learning out of necessity difficult. As I can bare testimony, I suspect if you continue with your current approach you will still be in the same position in 10 years.
Interesting point of view. Your comment made me pause to think about my own Finnish lessons 😅 That said, as an adult, I know I shall never achieve proficiency. BUT! (And it is a big but)...Here is my humble view. We plan to move to Finland and hopefully open a small business. We understand we may need to enter under an employment situation, which is fine. Our personal belief is that when we move to a different country, it is up to us to learn the language, customs, and history BEFORE landing. I do not feel the government should pay for me to acquire their language. We simply want to pass the test, not be fluent like a native speaker. Our friends there always seem blown away and so proud to hear that we are learning. They act as if no one wants to try! When we meet new Finns and tell them we are studying, they immediately smile and become uncharacteristically chatty! As a person who lived around many Finns and has visited several times, the responses we have gotten have been surprising. One gal took me so off guard that I couldn't find words😅 We may never be fluent, but the responses we have gotten have motivated us to study harder. We simply want to be able to drop in and help out.
@@denni7173 that's similar to how I started as well, I wanted to reach A2 before landing. I made pretty good progress (took 1 on 1 paid lessons) in the first year but it stalled pretty soon, as its impossible to progress without real life application. As soon as I moved here tried to actually use it. The response was overwhelmingly negative reactions. Confused stares, impatience, or worse switching to English. What I noticed is that non English speakers tend to pick up Finnish a lot faster (2 years). Now I don't think for a second they are speaking even anything beyond crudely broken Finnish however, by necessity they communicate and hence improve. Their "kebab shop" Finnish is also tolerated it seems. By contrast every native English speaker I know despite all effort across many years can't manage the basics in a real life situation. I don't really know the answer to this puzzle. So IDK how useful that information is, but my guess is somehow you need a way to get real life practice, to make progress.
@DotSimLtd I get that. Luckily, English wasn't my first language and I've learned a couple others along the way. I kind of figure we will be speaking far more English over there, but I still want to pass the test upon arrival. After that, I'll speak whatever is easiest for whomever I am speaking to. At this point, I wouldn't want to listen to me stuttering away🤣 I haven't met any annoyed Finns or impatient ones yet. I do have text convos where I am writing in Finnish and they're answering in English which is fine. They want to practice their English as much as I want to my Finnish so it works well. As we are hoping to move to the boon-tulies, I am hoping we won't need to speak to anyone but some grocery clerks every so often!
I totally agree with you here! My video was actually a bit of a parody or joke, I've been studying fairly well and will probably make some videos all in Finnish in the coming days or weeks. It is very hard to learn though because everyone speaks better English than I do 😅 I don't actually get much better in the real world, most is practice in a classroom, but as I'm at a higher level, it is more motivating to speak with people in Finnish. You just need to get to A2.2 kind of level and it gets more interesting! Thank you for the comment!
Haha! No I think Chinese is probably worse and I think it's considered the hardest language for English speakers? I guess it could be worse than Finnish 😅
its about 10 yr period to get from zero to true fluency, same with any FSI category IV or V languages
Let's hope it only takes 10 😅
LOL. Too late!🤣
Will it still be useless to learn if we consider to learn it from Job perspective in Finland?
I'm a neative spanish speaker and i find finish very easy to learn.
I use Duolingo and i have open 24 different languages(for fun), finish so far one of the easiest.
What about French(verbs conjugations, etc)?, i think you may find it worse.😂
Wow that's interesting! I have a lot of people on my Finnish course from different countries, one girl from Spain too and everyone is finding it very difficult. I do think the Finnish course on duolingo is very easy compared to what there is to learn and stick to a few simple verbs. For example there are 6 different types of verb and they all need to be conjugated differently according to person, number, tense and mood. There are 200 possible verb endings in Finnish. There is a vowel gredation system where you need to alter vowels at the end of words like asunto to asunnossa and äiti to äidin etc. There are a number of verbs which can have accusative objects and the other half need to be partative, but depending on context this can also change like haluaisin tomaattikeittoa (an unsoecified amount) or tomaattikeiton (1 serving) or you could say minulle tomsattikeito (1 serving but specifically to "me"). Then there's the spoken language so minä goes to mä, olen goes to on, minulla goes to mulla and then a number of words change like vessa to veski, kylpyhuone to kylppäri, ruoka to safka etc etc. French is probably hard, the accent isn't easy, but it's ranked as one of the easiest languages to learn for English speakers.
@@Finnago94
Very interesting, that will make me pay more attention, now it is a challenge.
I'm in the first part of the curve (Dunning-Kruger effect) and that makes me naive, but I am used to it (self awareness), whenever one learns something new he thinks he has mastered it or that it is very easy.
But what I mean is that its syntax, reading, pronunciation is simple and intuitive to me, so far.
What i know are a few words: Terve, kuka sinä olet? Minä olen ...
Anteeksi, tervetuloa, paljon onnea, onnea, hauska, mukava, komea, kaunis, maa, suomi, hyvä, ystava, sauna😂, ihminen, hänellä on, sinulla, minulla, millainen, koira, kissa, tuhma, kiltti, kippis, kiitos, ja, jee, mies, nainen, lapsi, ujo, rehellinen, hän, todella, aina, hiljainen, poika, tämä, valkoinen, musta, pieni, se, pupu, söpö, sininen vihreä, käärme, viro, ruotsi, norja, kylmä, kaupunki, laulu, nyt, undulaatti, onko, rouva, nimi, väärin, tyttö,...
What am i learning now?
Oletteko te nyt pari? Me olemme naimisissa.
Minä tanssin, he ystavat yhdessä, etc.
Minä olen aina rehellinen 😎😂
@@Finnago94
This is a more careful observation of your comment, because in the brevity of the first impression one does not capture much. In my ignorance i won't address the details, abstract things (200 possible endings,...) can be misleading without concret objects or examples.
There must be a pattern or logic behind it that makes it more intelligible or adequate, because I suppose that even the natives themselves would make mistakes (grammar, pronunciation,...) more frequently in their own language than the natives of other languages in their respective languages. I had only heard of a similar difficulty about Icelandic.
Sorry my comments are just speculations.
The path of least resistance or the principle of least action (physical concept) should apply too. 😂
What would have led them to torment their lives like that?
If it is easy for them it must be for others (with similar aptitudes).
I don't know.
Either way is a challenge.😎
I agree its a bit of a waste of time learning it unless you are living in Finland permanently. As an adult learner you are highly unlikely to achieve proficiency. Nobody wants to listen to your awful broken Finnish either, as everyone speaks either good or at least passable English. I know people who have been learning 10-15 years and still cannot manage the basics in real situations.
Having said that, whilst Finnish is difficult, its not THAT hard. Its more that the culture is not that friendly to learning. Not many resources, and people don't interact in the same ways as in some other countries (not much opportunity for small talk practice) and English is preferred to incorrect Finnish, even one small mistake and they switch to English. So that makes learning out of necessity difficult.
As I can bare testimony, I suspect if you continue with your current approach you will still be in the same position in 10 years.
Interesting point of view. Your comment made me pause to think about my own Finnish lessons 😅
That said, as an adult, I know I shall never achieve proficiency. BUT! (And it is a big but)...Here is my humble view.
We plan to move to Finland and hopefully open a small business. We understand we may need to enter under an employment situation, which is fine. Our personal belief is that when we move to a different country, it is up to us to learn the language, customs, and history BEFORE landing. I do not feel the government should pay for me to acquire their language. We simply want to pass the test, not be fluent like a native speaker. Our friends there always seem blown away and so proud to hear that we are learning. They act as if no one wants to try! When we meet new Finns and tell them we are studying, they immediately smile and become uncharacteristically chatty! As a person who lived around many Finns and has visited several times, the responses we have gotten have been surprising. One gal took me so off guard that I couldn't find words😅
We may never be fluent, but the responses we have gotten have motivated us to study harder. We simply want to be able to drop in and help out.
@@denni7173 that's similar to how I started as well, I wanted to reach A2 before landing. I made pretty good progress (took 1 on 1 paid lessons) in the first year but it stalled pretty soon, as its impossible to progress without real life application. As soon as I moved here tried to actually use it. The response was overwhelmingly negative reactions. Confused stares, impatience, or worse switching to English.
What I noticed is that non English speakers tend to pick up Finnish a lot faster (2 years). Now I don't think for a second they are speaking even anything beyond crudely broken Finnish however, by necessity they communicate and hence improve. Their "kebab shop" Finnish is also tolerated it seems.
By contrast every native English speaker I know despite all effort across many years can't manage the basics in a real life situation. I don't really know the answer to this puzzle.
So IDK how useful that information is, but my guess is somehow you need a way to get real life practice, to make progress.
@DotSimLtd I get that. Luckily, English wasn't my first language and I've learned a couple others along the way. I kind of figure we will be speaking far more English over there, but I still want to pass the test upon arrival. After that, I'll speak whatever is easiest for whomever I am speaking to. At this point, I wouldn't want to listen to me stuttering away🤣
I haven't met any annoyed Finns or impatient ones yet. I do have text convos where I am writing in Finnish and they're answering in English which is fine. They want to practice their English as much as I want to my Finnish so it works well. As we are hoping to move to the boon-tulies, I am hoping we won't need to speak to anyone but some grocery clerks every so often!
I totally agree with you here! My video was actually a bit of a parody or joke, I've been studying fairly well and will probably make some videos all in Finnish in the coming days or weeks. It is very hard to learn though because everyone speaks better English than I do 😅 I don't actually get much better in the real world, most is practice in a classroom, but as I'm at a higher level, it is more motivating to speak with people in Finnish. You just need to get to A2.2 kind of level and it gets more interesting!
Thank you for the comment!
If you think Finnish is hard try Chinese.
Haha! No I think Chinese is probably worse and I think it's considered the hardest language for English speakers? I guess it could be worse than Finnish 😅