STREAM on YT tonight at 7PM EST (about 3 hours from now). We will be moving back to normal review content production following this, including a review of the Define S2. This was filmed before our most recent ice cooling video (th-cam.com/video/cCmNTphD7zQ/w-d-xo.html). Linus has also joined the fight and will be evicted from the arena at 7PM tonight. Also, check our CM C700M case review if you missed it: th-cam.com/video/dLc9jiBgXYQ/w-d-xo.html
I told you to leave that verge alone.... what kind of ghetto mismatch of parts is this? Stripping your bolts, mismatched and ill-fitting heatsinks, let us not make haste lest we create too much waste. I'll quote Scar and advise, "be prepared".
You could find yourself a sacrificial domestic freezer, put two holes through the side, pass two tubes into it to a radiator which is submerged in a bucket of antifreeze and run antifreeze in your cooling loop. Things remain fluid yet you’re below freezing temps wise.
He needs custom power delivery. Kingpin is the guy that will probably own it, as he figures out better power delivery, as it seems that Nvidia really made sure that you can't fuck with voltages without triggering a safety.
>me: better turn up the volume because this video is pretty quiet >Steve: BEFORE THAT THIS VIDEO IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE NZXT E SERIES POWER SUPPLY!!!!!
It's very easy for Der8auer to look down from his LN2 cooled castle on the water cooled cardboard box constructions sitting in his moat. But he should be aware that K|NGP|N is going to want that castle back.
Small tip for ice that I think should work, be cheaper and won't waste water... fill kitchen dual seal Glad ziplock bags with tap water and stack them in the freezer (this trick is used to store soup more space efficiently), use what you need and swap defrosted bags with frozen ones when needed. Theoretically should work. :)
It's a good thing you had that video card under the drill while you were creating little metal shavings, wouldn't want them to safely fall onto something non-conductive.
I guess the trick with stopping the water shows that sometimes when you're already thinking outside the box, the solution comes from someone thinking inside the box after all.
You should use insulation like what is used on air conditioners, the stuff we use is called wrap- tite and it just slides over the lines and prevents them from condensating.
I wanted to give you a little tip @Gamers Nexus: A soft bristle toothbrush works great for cleaning the thermal paste off of circuitry with little risk of damage. Wet it with rubbing alcohol and gently scrub the thermal paste away from the SMDs (like sweeping).
It would probably be a little more consistent to measure the distance between the top of the water block bracket and the PCB rather than from the end of the screw to the bracket. The lengths of the screws are likely not very tightly controlled by the manufacturer and could vary by up to +/- .020in (.50mm) (unless you checked the length of the screws before using them)
Dry ice will freeze anti freeze. You'll need something like denatured alcohol in your loop, and outside your loop, and be careful what tubing you use. May need petg rigid, or glass.
Question: How come you didn't use salt in the ice chest? Fastest way to cool down..."beer"...is to sprinke salt on the ice. This causes it to melt faster by drawing more heat. Learned this on Mythbusters.
I've seen people do an entire computer submerged in oil, but I was wondering if you know of anyone ever doing that with everything exposed-die and having the oil pump through a super cooled radiated loop. Basically would be creating a ridiculously cold ambient environment being actively cooled at the same rate the components are generating heat. Seems like that would solve condensation issues as well as be extremely efficient with heat dissipation. Wondering what your thoughts are on that idea although you've prob already thought of it, tried it, or know someone who has.
At this point you might as well build the entire room liquid cooling that Linus failed to do. Instead of having plain copper pipes moving the liquid you might actually insulate the _heat transfer pipes_
I can see people's OCD going crazy right now lol the memory heatsinks aren't all the same size or placed evenly and aligned properly. Those with OCD can thank me for pointing that out just in case you missed it. :)
If you're wondering about drilling your board, don't. The magnetic field and static electricity from the drills motor can easily kill electronic components. I killed a mother board quite a few years back using something like a drill near my board to modify the case.
How close do you imagine any trace is to a mounting hole? There are design rules used in laying out board art. I for one would imagine the rules used to layout a 2080ti are rather comprehensive and strict. The keep out gap around mounting holes is likely substantial on all layers too.
never seen this done but ive thought about it a few times prolly bit awkward too do but try mounting the whole rig upside dwn so any condensate drips away from the system using gravity
Not trying to get subs (I really don't care), but you might enjoy my "Legit_Overclocing" channel. I accept fire extinguishers as donations... My next build is 4x Fury (probably DICE in a bucket with water-blocks similar to this) and TR 1950x on my phase cooler. Probably use 3x Corsair HX1200i platinum PSUs. I'll use a modded case fan for cooling (100+w 120mm fan, powered by an older race quadcopter motor, after original fan motor blew up from over-volting, yes I overvolt even my case fans). Furys will probably get hardware volt mods. Records set within the last 30 days: #1 TimeSpy for 2x RX 470 (BIOS modded on air), won GPU, physics, and combined #1 TimeSpy for FX-8350 and single GPU (my Titan Xp on air sucked... only +900 mem with half the screen artifacting passed though!) and the others like TimeSpy Ultra, and stuff, but I'm focusing on TimeSpy primarily. records set under the name "0C_Monk3y". Most of my scores were extremely handi-capped. FX was on a $40 4 phase motherboard (limited to 1.7 Vcore for 5.5 Ghz), and the duel RX was ran on a pitiful Ryzen 1700 at 3.8 Ghz (still beat the 5.2 Ghz i7 8700k in physics). **Please note: I don't post many videos, so if I don't post anything for several months, I'm not dead (well probably not), I just don't know what people would be most interested in, and I only share for the entertainment of others. None of this is sponsored (and I've demonized my channel), fire extinguishers are always accepted though. So sit back and enjoy the fireworks of high end hardware!
"We need to spread some eraser on the PCB. [..] This isn't just to see if someone thinks I'm going crazy" So seeing if someone thinks you are going crazy is one of the reasons? ;)
Could it be possible to reduce condensation in the winter overclocking outside when the ambient temp is below freezing? Maybe even better scores and results?
#AskGN would you be able to tell us more specifically about the OC process now that you've gone through a ton of tuning? Things like what tends to the most effective and/or efficient in terms of mem vs. core OC, voltages, and any other forms of tuning that may be applicable?
GN- question. If you put your hardware in a vacuum chamber could you go even cooler and also have no condensation? Or would the vacuum destroy the hardware
You need the ambient air to cool the memory and power array. A full vacuum would cause everything not being directly cooled by water to overheat. A better option would be like someone above mentioned; run the whole test in a walk in cooler/freezer. That way the air is already chilled AND, because of that, most of the moisture would already be removed..
@@slikrx what if you fed tubes with circulated liquid nitrogen through blocks on the vrm memory and processors Also keep in mind this is possible as this is how they cool quantum processors
STREAM on YT tonight at 7PM EST (about 3 hours from now). We will be moving back to normal review content production following this, including a review of the Define S2. This was filmed before our most recent ice cooling video (th-cam.com/video/cCmNTphD7zQ/w-d-xo.html). Linus has also joined the fight and will be evicted from the arena at 7PM tonight.
Also, check our CM C700M case review if you missed it: th-cam.com/video/dLc9jiBgXYQ/w-d-xo.html
Did you see the video from der8auer? Get buildzoid to help you with ln2 and get the first place back. You deserve it
I told you to leave that verge alone.... what kind of ghetto mismatch of parts is this? Stripping your bolts, mismatched and ill-fitting heatsinks, let us not make haste lest we create too much waste. I'll quote Scar and advise, "be prepared".
Sry bro it s to late for me in Germany
You could find yourself a sacrificial domestic freezer, put two holes through the side, pass two tubes into it to a radiator which is submerged in a bucket of antifreeze and run antifreeze in your cooling loop. Things remain fluid yet you’re below freezing temps wise.
He needs custom power delivery. Kingpin is the guy that will probably own it, as he figures out better power delivery, as it seems that Nvidia really made sure that you can't fuck with voltages without triggering a safety.
"hooked up to a cardboard box which he lives in" That had me dying
This may not be the OC battle we need but its the one we deserve
DAMN IT STEVE!!! Why the hell would you use EXACTLY the right amount of thermal paste?!?!?!
@Andrew Crews same. I immediatly thought it was gonna be a verge joke.... they will never live that video down
>me: better turn up the volume because this video is pretty quiet
>Steve: BEFORE THAT THIS VIDEO IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE NZXT E SERIES POWER SUPPLY!!!!!
Sorry. I (Steve) edited parts of this one as the editors were working on other stuff, so audio might be less balanced than when they do it.
@@GamersNexus My fragile audiophile ears 😧😧 /s
Thanks for warning me lmao
@@GamersNexus proof that tech Jesus is not perfect, but he is damn good
DerB8uer with 16248 in Time Spy Extreme :D
It's very easy for Der8auer to look down from his LN2 cooled castle on the water cooled cardboard box constructions sitting in his moat. But he should be aware that K|NGP|N is going to want that castle back.
Der8auer's score is actually in the top 5 score of all time. Higher that most 4xSLI 1080ti/Txp
have you seen Kingpin's score for single card? its >9000
@obs1dian I liked his clip of Steve at the end.
bauers is 9300
"cardboard box which he lives in"
Steve throwing some major shade
GamersNexus, supported by Der8auer, using KINGPIN thermal paste. This whole thing is awesome.
"actually there were no changes. It was just skill" 😐
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 The savagery!!!
I'm glad you guys have entertained the battle as far as you have. Its healthy for the TH-cam pc community. Good content.
9:05 sorry to hear that steve.. maybe you can get some pills or something
STEVE IS COMING FOR YOU DER8AUER!!!
Steve is supported by Der8auer. So where is your point?
AHH STEVE THATS JUST THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF THERMAL PASTE!!!!11!111!
This whole competition has been messing with my sense of time.
It's like the 90's all over again. East Coast Vs West Coast. Take 'em Down Steve!
That cooler better have some beers in it for the after stream party. Get 2 birds stoned at once.
Come on RIcky
Steve taking on the entirety of tech TH-cam Royal Rumble style. I love it. Love it. Love it.
My PC gets 170 points in Time spy... And that's with it Overclocked.....
add more thermal paste then.
Add more RGB it will give at least 50% more performance
#PoorPeopleTechTips
Mine does not even run because M$ refuses to port DX12 to Win7. Thankfully there are lot's of free benchmarks out there.
I can get 4765 with 8700k and a 1080
Small tip for ice that I think should work, be cheaper and won't waste water... fill kitchen dual seal Glad ziplock bags with tap water and stack them in the freezer (this trick is used to store soup more space efficiently), use what you need and swap defrosted bags with frozen ones when needed. Theoretically should work. :)
also maybe use a water circulator to keep water temperature even (also used for sous-vide cooking).
It's a good thing you had that video card under the drill while you were creating little metal shavings, wouldn't want them to safely fall onto something non-conductive.
I guess the trick with stopping the water shows that sometimes when you're already thinking outside the box, the solution comes from someone thinking inside the box after all.
You should try adding salt to the ice. This will reduce the achievable water temperature from 0°C to -20°C.
sounds counter intuative adding salt as we use it too melt ice but it really does work on lowering temps
With that thermal tape application, It helps a lot if you put the heatsink on one side first then cut around it with a x-acto knife.
You should use insulation like what is used on air conditioners, the stuff we use is called wrap- tite and it just slides over the lines and prevents them from condensating.
When you say that this is your final entry, you should already have another up your sleeve, already filmed, ready to roll out as needed.
I wanted to give you a little tip @Gamers Nexus: A soft bristle toothbrush works great for cleaning the thermal paste off of circuitry with little risk of damage. Wet it with rubbing alcohol and gently scrub the thermal paste away from the SMDs (like sweeping).
I love this competition. Great job !!!
Lol Der8auer almost exactly 1000 points ahead....def. playing around w/ ya'll.
Loved the Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask reference. :)
Still one of my favourite games of all time.
"Professional driver on closed course do not attempt" I DIED.
You missed out on at least 300 points by not using a sharpie on the gpu die before applying paste.
I think you're the only person wearing Globe shoes in 2018, you never seize to amaze...
Loving that reference at 1:21 from mayoras mask
that is the best series i`ve ever watched on youtube...
the verge level of thermal past @7:37
should have flown in jay for a collab, your skill and his OP tech.
After "Scrapyard War" we need "Extreme OC War"
AND THIS IS IT.
26:30 what's the guy with the Bundeswehr tracksuit doing in the backround? Seems not like he has served in any offline military ;)
"Which he lives in".
I love you, Steve.
nICE job with the custom sub-ambiant cooling :P
It would probably be a little more consistent to measure the distance between the top of the water block bracket and the PCB rather than from the end of the screw to the bracket. The lengths of the screws are likely not very tightly controlled by the manufacturer and could vary by up to +/- .020in (.50mm) (unless you checked the length of the screws before using them)
"professional driver on closed course; also this was fake"
I'm fucking dying.
Oh my god, Steve! That's precisely the correct amount of thermal paste!
"An AC unit pointed into a cardboard box.. which he lives in" LMAO.... never laughed so hard on a tech video
Awesome to see Steve!
4:46 So EVGA watched the verge's video and is doing some thermal on thermal action. It's good to see them following some good pc building practices...
This is absolutely ridiculous and I love it!
2:43 shots fired holy shit
It's serious business when he whips out a hair tie
Dry ice will freeze anti freeze. You'll need something like denatured alcohol in your loop, and outside your loop, and be careful what tubing you use. May need petg rigid, or glass.
1:20
OK, this is epic.
Steve instead of liquid metal to shunt and before soldering why don't you try with a silver liquid pen used in pcb rail recovery ?
Fill the cooler with 90% isopropyl alcohol and ice. The alcohol won’t freeze sub 0c, but will transfer heat better.
Thanks for all the laughs :ace: :thumbs up: "Magical High Bins"
AAAAGH!!! YOU DIDN'T USE DIFFERENT THERMAL PASTE ON THE COLDPLATE!!! - The Verge
Good buy on the T-Rex cookie jar! I have that as well. King of the dinosaurs and the protector of cookies 🍪🦖💜
Question: How come you didn't use salt in the ice chest? Fastest way to cool down..."beer"...is to sprinke salt on the ice. This causes it to melt faster by drawing more heat. Learned this on Mythbusters.
I'm gonna need more popcorn. Breaking out the 2-pound corn bags.
Oh my god! That's not enough paste!!!!!!!1111 ;)
And, you know Steve's getting serious about things when he ties his hair back :)
RIP JAY :)
he's done 😂😂
Instead of liquid metal, you should try that stuff in a defogger repair kit
Perfect timing, just slumped into a hot bath.
excellent video.
You're the man, Steve.
I've seen people do an entire computer submerged in oil, but I was wondering if you know of anyone ever doing that with everything exposed-die and having the oil pump through a super cooled radiated loop. Basically would be creating a ridiculously cold ambient environment being actively cooled at the same rate the components are generating heat. Seems like that would solve condensation issues as well as be extremely efficient with heat dissipation. Wondering what your thoughts are on that idea although you've prob already thought of it, tried it, or know someone who has.
Guy who owns the store placing his order right now for 3x the ice he normally gets only to be devastated that steve wont be going back anytime soon XD
Ditch the rads and reservoirs and use the ice water in the loop
Insulating it?
Are you gonna PUT IT IN THE ICE BOX THERMALS?
*I tried hard*
Cool stuff dealing with sub ambient always seemed like a pain. Didn't know K|NGP|N had his own products
27:07 the smartest thing we've ever done)))
At this point you might as well build the entire room liquid cooling that Linus failed to do. Instead of having plain copper pipes moving the liquid you might actually insulate the _heat transfer pipes_
linus came in to this competition like 5 year old brother coming to play tackle football with his 15 year old brother and his friends
48 views 54 likes.... Yet i love this battle a lot and I'm having a lot of fun watching it :)
Shot out with all the metal shavings over that card 😲
Why dont you guys use a dehumidifier in the room to reduce or eliminate potential condensation?
I can see people's OCD going crazy right now lol the memory heatsinks aren't all the same size or placed evenly and aligned properly.
Those with OCD can thank me for pointing that out just in case you missed it. :)
If you're wondering about drilling your board, don't. The magnetic field and static electricity from the drills motor can easily kill electronic components. I killed a mother board quite a few years back using something like a drill near my board to modify the case.
there's also a risk of drilling through a trace in the pcb
You don't think it was the metal chips you got all over the board shorting everything out that killed it?
Yes. It was not a serious suggestion. You'll drill through traces. PCBs are multi-layered.
How close do you imagine any trace is to a mounting hole? There are design rules used in laying out board art. I for one would imagine the rules used to layout a 2080ti are rather comprehensive and strict. The keep out gap around mounting holes is likely substantial on all layers too.
@@1pcfred by substantial, you mean probably less than a mm
When my grandchildren ask me what the most awesome war was, I will tell them about the Great Time Spy OC battles of 2018...
never seen this done but ive thought about it a few times prolly bit awkward too do but try mounting the whole rig upside dwn so any condensate drips away from the system using gravity
Not sure how Hot it is there, but you might wanna blast the room with AC so lower that Ambient temperature.
This is content I'w been missing for years. Proper overclocking not this sliders bullsit.....
Why not coctail ice.
You got any left for beer ??
Not trying to get subs (I really don't care), but you might enjoy my "Legit_Overclocing" channel. I accept fire extinguishers as donations...
My next build is 4x Fury (probably DICE in a bucket with water-blocks similar to this) and TR 1950x on my phase cooler. Probably use 3x Corsair HX1200i platinum PSUs. I'll use a modded case fan for cooling (100+w 120mm fan, powered by an older race quadcopter motor, after original fan motor blew up from over-volting, yes I overvolt even my case fans). Furys will probably get hardware volt mods.
Records set within the last 30 days:
#1 TimeSpy for 2x RX 470 (BIOS modded on air), won GPU, physics, and combined
#1 TimeSpy for FX-8350 and single GPU (my Titan Xp on air sucked... only +900 mem with half the screen artifacting passed though!)
and the others like TimeSpy Ultra, and stuff, but I'm focusing on TimeSpy primarily.
records set under the name "0C_Monk3y".
Most of my scores were extremely handi-capped. FX was on a $40 4 phase motherboard (limited to 1.7 Vcore for 5.5 Ghz), and the duel RX was ran on a pitiful Ryzen 1700 at 3.8 Ghz (still beat the 5.2 Ghz i7 8700k in physics).
**Please note: I don't post many videos, so if I don't post anything for several months, I'm not dead (well probably not), I just don't know what people would be most interested in, and I only share for the entertainment of others. None of this is sponsored (and I've demonized my channel), fire extinguishers are always accepted though. So sit back and enjoy the fireworks of high end hardware!
Have you tried using conductiv ink/paint inestead of liquid metal? I used it when i was voltmodding my 7900gt many years ago. It worked great!
the ice bucket challenge - GN style!
Steve trolling us with the thermal past
Watching this makes me want to go water cool my pc and oc my parts.
Ahhhhhhh Steve, that's the right amount of thermal paste
*Bet you didn't expect that eh*
Nice Majora's Mask reference
Wouldn’t it be easier to run a strip of tape across each set of them like they do with thermal pads?
You could simply submerge the whole main board and gpu without any heatsinks and put the case in the refrigerator. Or even use dry ice.
such a monstruosity
"We need to spread some eraser on the PCB. [..] This isn't just to see if someone thinks I'm going crazy"
So seeing if someone thinks you are going crazy is one of the reasons? ;)
No need to be so harsh, it's not a war. You and Jay provide great and relevant content.
Aw, they're just talkin' some smack. It's all in fun.
SHOTS FIRED
make sure if you havent already, talk to BZ and watch that video for the proper shunt modding
Could it be possible to reduce condensation in the winter overclocking outside when the ambient temp is below freezing? Maybe even better scores and results?
#AskGN would you be able to tell us more specifically about the OC process now that you've gone through a ton of tuning? Things like what tends to the most effective and/or efficient in terms of mem vs. core OC, voltages, and any other forms of tuning that may be applicable?
Staying awake for this one!! RIP de8auer ?
nah he's got LN2, unless steve flies kingpin or BZ out he's left to compete with ice/dry ice loops
yeah true that
Maybe nVIDIA should go full intel and have Jay introduce their next graphics card.
Why won't anyone run the bench hanging from the ceiling so that the condensation drips away from the electronics?
GN- question. If you put your hardware in a vacuum chamber could you go even cooler and also have no condensation? Or would the vacuum destroy the hardware
You need the ambient air to cool the memory and power array. A full vacuum would cause everything not being directly cooled by water to overheat. A better option would be like someone above mentioned; run the whole test in a walk in cooler/freezer. That way the air is already chilled AND, because of that, most of the moisture would already be removed..
@@slikrx what if you fed tubes with circulated liquid nitrogen through blocks on the vrm memory and processors
Also keep in mind this is possible as this is how they cool quantum processors
i found the Ifixit tweezers great for those sticky bits