MOST HATED BANDS: ICP, 6ix9ine & Deafheaven!
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Most Hated Bands vol 6: Insane Clown Posse, 6ix9ine, Deafheaven
* The ICP Juggalo family and their love for Faygo and the Gathering of the Juggalos
* Juggalo-adjacent artists like Twiztid and Kottonmouth Kings
* Why rap fans hate Tekashi 6ix9ine for snitching
* How Tekashi 69 songs like "Billy," "Kooda" and "Gooba" blew up
* His beefs with Trippie Redd, Snoop Dogg, Casanova and more
* How Deafheaven became "hipster black metal" with the release of "Sunbather"
* Other blackgaze bands like Alcest, Agalloch and Wolves In The Throne Room
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I hate to nit pick but the most viewed video on youtube in 24 hours is a Halsey/BTS song I remember looking up the day after Gooba dropped, not being a dick just sharing some info boss!!
Hey dude great channel but 2 things:
1. Hip hop heads hate pedos too
2. Read up more on 2pacs case please
@@daviddevoe8810 Thank you, dude. Much more concise that what I was gonna write. TBH, I'm a fan of the channel, but some of the things he's said about hip-hop, and some of the hip-hop artists he refers to makes me feel like his relationship to hip-hop is tangential at best. Maybe be more careful with criticisms of hip-hop until you really know the community and the culture better than you know the tropes. Especially since a lot of those tropes were made up three decades ago by Regan conservatives and social cop types who had ...lets say 'social biases' against the type of people who made the music.
Some would point to mainstream hip-hop as evidence that these things are true and not tropes, but the vaaaasst majority of people who buy mainstream hip-hop don't come from the communities that hip-hop traditionally comes from, and most of them aren't hip-hop heads at all, they simply listen to whatever genre of song appears in the top 40. On top of that, the hip-hop community isn't who platforms most mainstream artists, most mainstream artists are cherry-picked by disconnected record execs, specifically because they live up to the trope. And the trope, the image itself, sells millions of records(or streams) to those pop music fans who aren't actual hip-hop heads.
A more accurate statement would be 'Record executives and middle-class suburban kids have fucked up attitudes towards women, and thats why this type of hip-hop is terminally popular'.
I do think that Finn criticizes music in good faith, and usually tries really hard to be bias free, or at least he acknowledges his biases in an effort to remove them from his critiques. But there's been a thirty plus year smear campaign against hip-hop, so it's easy to see how a fair-minded person who isn't connected to the culture or community would believe these tropes. If Finn was reading and wanted to check out some hip-hop criticism from people who actually love hip-hop fully and know it well, I'd suggest he check out these channels:
1)Dead End Hip Hop.
2) Hip hop DX...but only When Murs or Justin Hunt were hosting the channels show "the breakdown" that channel seems to
Still a big fan of the show. All love, bro.
TL;DR
I agree with David.
I love you Finn but I'm not always sure about your hip-hop critiques.
If you or anybody reading this wants to learn more or see videos of hip-hop heads talking culture in a way similar to PRMBA then check out the Murs or Justin era of the channel hip hop dx.
if you want to see real, core, hip-hop heads critiquing real hip-hop music with knowledge, love and connection, then check out dead end hip hop.
YO Finn I love this video ! You should do more videos about Rap. Cus I love ALL Music but I'd have to star my favorite genres are RAP & METAL ! You're In my top5 fav You Tubers ! One Love Bruv ❤💀🎵🎵🔥🔥✌💯💯💯♠
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I still have never seen Violent J, Guy Fieri, and the lead singer of Smashmouth in the same place together. 🤔
hmmm
Illuminati confirmed!
They are all secretly Chino Moreno. It’s so obvious!
Yoooo
Coincidence? 🤔
Finding Juggalos in high school saved my life. They accepted me and I felt like I finally had a group. It was a great thing. I will forever love juggalos. The first concert I ever went to was ICP. What a crazy show. My BF and I met Violent J and Shaggy downtown Portland and we shook their hand, some bum walked up and asked them for money and they gave him some.
That seems to be a recurring theme among many ICP fans/juggalos. I know little about them but if they provide a home for those that feel left out then good on em. I'm old but back in the day skateboarding/punk did the same for me, we were the freaks but we had a hell of a lot of fun and I made lifelong friends.
Same here fam!
@@fintanoclery2698 just because a group is accepting doesn't mean it's a virtuous group.
One of my best buddies growing up was a Argentinian Juggalo. We would listen to ICP at Alternative school. He would make sure I was cool and that I had lunch. I will forever respect and love juggalos. And obviously there are some crazy outliers but that's with every subculture.
@@rokch1ck one of the coolest dudes I knew in high school was a juggalo, his name was travis, awesome guy. Always got along with us metal heads. Sadly he died in a car wreck a few years ago. RIP
It's honestly so funny to see elitists get mad at Deafheaven for being a "hipster" band, what they're doing there is trying to out-hipster the hipsters. Really, is a 100k monthly listeners band just too mainstream for you?
For some metalheads, yeah. There are guys out there who exclusively listen to bands with less than 1,000 monthly listens so... yeah.
@@TheOneWayDown Anyone that defines themselves based on others has already failed.
@@peazeralus No disagreement there
TheOneWayDown
*That band makes it to 2k monthly listeners*
“Welp, now I can’t listen to this band anymore” lmao
Metal elitists are just another form of hipster in of themselves
Thank you. I live in the UK, I don't dress as a clown, I don't use any slang but still count myself as a juggalo because I enjoy their music and the juggalo family is awesome and I'm proud to be part of it 🤡
when he said "Blackgaze" for a second i thought he said "black gays"
Mark Magrone Jr. Blackgaze is good shit, though. I mean, yes, it's a bit played out at this point, but bands like Sadness are absolutely killer.
It is 2020 tbf
Deafheaven is just an unironic "black metal in a major key" video :)
ICP are amazing. Emotionally more intelligent and resonant than they probably even give themselves credit for. If you're a classic horror/monster film fan too, they hit the spot especially with Mike E. Clark.
They troll to the extreme and, unfortunately, some suggestibles fall for it.
That magnets line though...
@@sammadden5540 Ha! Yeah. Love the innocence of that song.
Whoop Whoop
It’s weird to me more people bash on 69 for snitching than the fact he’s a convicted pedophile
He isnt a convicted pedophilelol.
HELLBOY yes he is lmao
@@damienhelmold6978 The court documents are up online for everyone to see. Don't just say "Naw" without actually looking into it.
He filmed an underage girl performing a sex act on his friend and posted it on social media. Definitely a scum bag.
No he didnt... He was in a music video with an underage girl dancing in it. At least, thats what Trap Lore Ross said in his video on it and id believe him long before any youtuve comment thst says, "the proof is out there!" Without providing said proof.
I worked at Hot Topic a few years ago. Juggalos were some of the nicest folks who walked into the store. Always super polite, never threw shirts on the floor (but they were terrible at folding), and never got angry if we didn't have something in stock. Loved them!
I gotta cosign this as annoying as everything about ICP and juggalos are they're all pretty dope people irl
Same. Never met an asshole or whatever juggalo. Plus I like pro wrestling. I cant really shit on em lol
In high school the juggalos that used to hangout by the bus stop at a local mall were hands down the coolest people ever. Always shot me a giant “Woop woop” when they saw me, to which of course I replied with an equally big “woop woop”
I've been a juggalo for 16 years now and I will say thank you guys. Alot of us juggalos get a bad rep because there are juggalos who are rude af. But for the most part we are pretty laid back and just like to have a good time.
I guess I just have bad luck because almost every single juggalo I've come across have been just awful.
The dude ranting about juggalos killed me man. Like, there's someone in the bed in the background rolling around as if they were trying to sleep, but not Kyle. Kyle had to get up at the ass crack of dawn, skip getting dressed, throw on a hat to cover the hair he didn't have time to comb, and just dive right into his rant. A man of true purpose.
and how the room was a complete mess, and that was a baby rolling around that bed. like i think that guy is only mad at juggalos because people call him one.
Probably disappointed his girlfriend with his 3.5 inch deluxe before he went on that rant. 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I know that dude he is a Juggalo. He was saying some of the stuff that he has heard from people over the years. He was legitimately just giving examples of some of the shit they come across or hear. He is actually involed in the community. The video is just edited so u only hear the examples he was giving.
Don't ask me how I know this, but his TH-cam personality is TheBoyBlueDevil or something. I've been fascinated by this (whatever it is) for years now. I even put some of his live streams on in the background just so he wouldn't have zero viewers. I think I need to adjust my meds.
I know George from Deafheaven. We were in a band when I was 15, I’m 30 now. George has been grinding in bands for years playing grindcore, metalcore, and now blackgaze. The dudes deserve all the success they have.
they are amazing
Yeah Deafheaven. They are amazing . I cant believe they are classed as the most hated band? I dont get it.
Because of their fans I think.
@@NPGLAMB ahh ok i get you
Listen to Boss De-nage
I think that the big turning point for Juggalos was when they stood up to the FBI and stood against white supremacists in the process. It recontextualized them.
We've been standing up to white supremacists since 1991, the world just decided to start noticing when they happened to have a poorly attended march on the same date as us
Yup, and I think Finn's point about classism stands in this, a lot of people were quick to assume this working class midwestern communi would be a bunch of racist republicans
We Juggalos have an anti bigot since day one. A lot of people never noticed because they'd hear the music but they just don't listen to the actual message.
The song that got me into ICP was basically "Your Rebel Flag" off their first album Carnival of Carnage. They've always been against white supremacy.
@@KrashyKharma Juggalos outnumber white supremacists, and contrary to what the media says they're more organized as well.
you hit the nail on the head. deafheaven's appearence really seems to threaten the identity of metalheads who have turned their favorite genre of music into their entire being, seeing dudes who also like darkthrone and out there music who also can probably fit in with society is unfathomable to those folks and threatens their entire being
Are you sure it's not that they're overrated? I bet most people who have heard their music have no idea that they're hipsters; they probably just checked out the album when they heard it was good. When even mainstream critics are singing the praises of what to me sounds like pretty mediocre music, though, that's a recipe for lots of haters. Today's the first I've heard of them, so this is just my impression.
On a related note, I didn't know who 6ix9ine was either until I saw Trollz pop up on TH-cam like a week ago. I had no idea he was a snitch or a pedophile until today. My only impression at the time was "how does a song this bland have so many views"? I'm sure acting in an non-normative way (be it pedophilia or hipsterness) will breed haters, but I'd be surprised if that's where most of the hate comes from. You have to be informed in order to hate for other reasons and I doubt the average listener is that informed.
@@notstarboard Well if you never heard of Deafheaven or 6ix9ine before, it seems that you actively avoid new artists coming up that are shaking up the music scene. You shouldn't project your personal feelings on everyone else. 6ix9ine headlines were all over any media that covered music (maybe not on Metal Blogs but pretty much everywhere else)
honestly seeing a guy who just appareance wise (i dont know what he is like irl) emits heavy chad energy being the vocalist in a pseudo-black metal/screamo band is kind of refreshing
@Danny Dircio They're most definitely black metal. Screamo isn't a thing. You're either thinking of emo or post-hardcore.
@Danny Dircio What's screamo?
"I want to believe there is no God because Juggalos exist"
Me, a christian Juggalo: *nervous sweating*
WhOoP WhOoP!
whoop whoop
Lol same.
God loves Juggalos, in fact id think he is one himself. Whoop whoop.
Juggalos are real God isn't whoop whoop
The most offensive thing to me is that 6ix9ine is actually pronounced "Six-Nine" instead of "Sixix-Ninine"
I agree %100....and was gonna give this a like but your'e at 69 and I don't want to fuck it up.
Elite level comment
Many rappers try to be clever with the worst pronunciation and spellings.
When I saw Deafheaven in the list, I immediately thought of “The Hipster Black Metal” TH-cam channel.
That channel is incredibly cringe lol
I still haven’t watched the video he made about me
I dont understand the hate for Deafheaven. I haven't watched this video yet though..
@Morbid Angel is better than Death yeah actually. Anyone that dedicated to shitting on music they dont like it pathetic and cringey. Its incredibly sad gatekeeper shit
@@ThePunkRockMBA I did not know about that channel and watched some of his videos. Just unfunny bad cut/paste crap coming from a 40yo sad guy. Don't watch that video he doesn't deserve it.
I respect ICP because what they built, they built themselves which is a pretty big empire.
Yeah, most bands would kill for what they've built. Most bands come and go but ICP has been around for decades doing it on their own.
Staying relavent and consistently putting out music for 30 years while not having a boss is fucking spectacular. 15 min of fame...ya ok
@zeroinfinityzero Atleast the bands still together there pantera
They basically created an entire new Subculture.
They're just playing the Kiss playbook.
Not only are Juggalos some of the nicest, coolest, and open-minded group of fans I've ever met but ICP is a horribly misunderstood group. Mad respect for what they carved out for themselves, their sense of humor, wonder, and humility.
Whoop whoop, legit
Whoop whoop
Chop Chop Slide is a pretty funny song.
Whoop whopp
I love icp lol
Love black metal, but also love Deafheaven, Alcest, Agalloch, etc. They're good bands that make good music
Agalloch are top notch. Alcest are up there too.
Wait people don't like those bands? Damn I would not be liked by "real" black metal fans
@@TheTGOAC This comment is kinda funny I think the notion of "real black metal" is stupid but also I don't really like any blackgaze anymore other than Alcest and Austere
Alcest and Agalloch are incredible.
@@shanner listened to any harakiri for the sky? i don't like all their stuff, but a few songs are just outstanding, especially the songs funeral dreams, heroin waltz, and you are the scars. H4TS tends toward long songs, but they have some really nice transitions as well as a firm grasp of melody...they write hooky blackgaze, i guess. i get it, the gatekeepers (for whom nothing but the "purest" black metal stereotypes will pass muster) cannot get their minds around an Alcest or DH.
Fun fact: there exists a video of Violent J and his daughter complaining about the quality of the furry-suit they ordered for his daughter...
I've met them backstage. They were all on shrooms. It was fucking awesome.
Yeah i saw that hell didnt J and his wife even attend a fur con? All for his daughter. Man now if that isnt a love and family idk what is.
Hell yeah
That’s wholesome as. His daughter is into that stuff so he takes interest in his daughters interest. I think that’s kinda sweet for a dad
@@dionysis84 ICP were backstage tripping on shrooms? you're full of shit...
now that's a dad, loving you even if you're a furry, mad envious of her.
The thing with Deafheaven is, whether you grouse about them being "culturally impure" to black metal or not, "Sunbather" is a masterpiece. That's what matters in the end.
@Danny Dircio Who cares? Good music is good music
Danny Dircio they are stylistically black metal undeniably but concept wise no they aren’t.
@@epicfox567 Not sure what you mean here. Deafheaven is exactly as they're often described: A black metal band that mixed shoegaze and post-metal into the mix. On latter albums they also dabbled with thrash elements and soloing.
@@antoineauclair1966 I guess people do care, but yeah Good Music is Good Music. Sunbather is actually a piece of art
@Danny Dircio "screamo"... Christ, what is this; 2004? "Screamo" isn't a thing, it's a term used by people who are clueless as to what metal is use to describe metal.
I love that the article at 14:54 is using a young picture of Stalin as an example of what a hipster looks like haha what
Lol! I didnt realize thats who it was
#StalinWasAHipster
Supposedly it’s a touched up picture of Stalin to make him look more appealing.
@@blackburn932 I've not heard that but I wouldn't put it past him
@@del132 FACTS THOUGH
I used to work at a haunted house in western PA and there were a looooooot of juggalos there. At first I did the thing where I’d stick my nose up at them, but the more I got to know them they actually have pretty tragic backstories. Now I’m happy that they have their own little community where everyone has this kind of mutual empathy for one another.
Still can’t listen to the music, though. Hahaha
@Vicodyn tbf to the fbi, there was a legitimate gang operating under the guise of juggalos. That doesn't mean it's fair to classify all juggalos as gang members though it wasnt an arbitrary decision because they though they were weird or something
Don’t ever put Deafheaven in the same category as 6ix9ine and ICP ever again
@@DTMJR1987 yeah, the same snobs that hate on Wolves in the Throne Room.
Yeah it was a surprise to me that they were on the list, honestly I really like what they’re doin
oh they most certainly belong there.
Yeah cuz icp has done it longer and made more money
the category is hated and he is just
I've met juggalos of every working class and every race the "family" deal is real it dont matter where your from
WHOoP WHOoP!
yeah and hatin' on that is straight wack!
You should do a “Most Hated Frontmen” 😭😭😭
@@lester9859 Fred durst instantly came to mind
that guy from Lostprophets must be on the list lmao
Jonny Craig too
Mr Trapt
sammy hagar was hated when he first joined van halens.
Tekashi is a rap version of Dahvie Vanity
Yes
Righttt
The look, the terrible raps, the accusations, and the 13 year old fanboys.
At least he gave us some bangers. Botdf were terrible even for crunkcore.
@@johnindigo5477 I mean botdf had yo ho and I still think about that dumbass joke in the beginning almost daily.
I TH-cam searched this Dahvie Vanity person. You are so spot-on. Dahvie Vanity and Tekashi could be cousins.😆😆😆
I really liked Deafheaven and Alcest Whats in my bag? Videos. They seem to be really cool guys
Man, I love those What's in my bag episodes. It humanizes these artists and you can even hear some of their influences they talk about through their music if one really pays attention.
Thats what im saying! Their music is kinda soft tho
They are a great demonstration of the stupidity of the gate keeping idiots.
Necrobutcher put a bunch of Rolling Stones records in his bag. I guess he’s not true black metal either.
I love the music of Mayhem, Taking Back Sunday and Radiohead. Liking one genre of music is for 12 year olds.
Dead heaven are a fucking great band
Deafheaven is amazing dude
Luke agree 100% Sunbather is their magnum opus. It’d be hard to follow that beast up for any band.
I went to an ICP show in town, the show was named for a juggalo that passed away. Needless go say they were over a state away from home and played a full blown concert to give 100% of the proceeds to pay the kids funeral costs. They're good dudes, so I'm happy not everybody loves them- only the real ones get it and that's awesome!
I thought you said they’re the band who put “black gays” on the map 🤣
@Luke No, they're saying they thought Finn was talking about African American Homosexuals.
Blackgaze is "gaze" as in to stare at something, not 'gays' as in homosexual men. It's an unintentional/pseudo-intentional play on words.
That's what I heard at first too and was very confused! Hahaha
That was Little Richard
@@ArmyofBulldogsProductions413 Fact 😂
well i guess you can interpret a progressive message in their lyrics
ICP is the gold standard of making your own lane for real
ICP and Immortal Technique. Never heard of anyone more absolutely independent. tech N9ne is a close second to them
Ryan upchurch is another one for sure
RIP to all who accept the evil record deal, just a big loan that costs ownership.
@@AtlasCompleXtheProd Tech N9ne is the biggest independent artist on earth, how is that 2nd?
@@Dredsed you're asking me how ie 1st 2nd? lol
I feel like Ghost gets hate similarly to the way Deafheaven does. WHY GHOST MAN WHERE CORPSEPAINT BUT NO PLAY BLACK METAL
Yeah Ghost are the polar opposite of Deafheaven. If you swapped their images it would almost make more sense.
can't lie I'm guilty of this. Love the aesthetic hate the music
Yeah it never really mad sense to me. People hate Ghost because they're "not metal" and not heavy enough. But so what. Yeah they were corpse paint and stuff but can I remind people of that glam rock band called kiss who also wore black and white makeup, studded apparel and Gene Simmons spitted fake blood out of his mouth.
I only hate ghost because people said they were a metal band and they look the part, but the music just is like electro alt pop.
Dan Rau ghost are like a ‘classic’ heavy metal style but with modern songwriting sensibilities. They’re very artificial I think - not strictly bad
I took my Deaf brother to an ICP concert when he was a teenager because he loved them and thought they were cool. I was honestly kinda judgmental of the fans and the group but when I went with him to the show, everyone was super nice and other fans went out of their way to make sure my brother had a really good time. I changed my opinion after that day
Deafheaven reference
Only the deaf could enjoy icp
I saw Deafheaven in 2014 in a kind of hipster rock festival in 2014. I'm pretty sure half of the people didn't know about them, but the energy they brought turned the crowd into a metal smosh scene
"Don't they even science" 🤣😂🤣
I defy one of those snarky hipsters to explain how a magnet works.
Yeah, the absolute funniest part about that uproar over Miracles is that, legitimately, no one on earth actually knows how magnets work. We can describe polarity and electron spin but when you get down to the core physics, it's a complete mystery.
Ha! That’s actually really interesting - so he was right!
My argument is that even if we can explain how something works, we can't really ever explain why it works that way and not another way. I always thought the hate for that line was a bit overblown. Especially since the hate was coming from mustachioed hipsters that only took pol-sci and sociology classes and never physics or math classes.
@@chilidem Exactly. We know a LOT about what gravity/magnetism/etc. do...but really not a f'n clue about How they do it.
That's exactly why I don't wanna speak to a scientist, the mfers are lying and getting me pissed :P (I double majored in compsci and physics.....)
I ADORE Deafheaven. And alcest and have a nice life. It's melodic and excellent songwriting.
These three bands! Deafheaven is just hated because the black metal scene can't handle innovation or non-conformity.
Yeah, I'm an old school black metal fan, but I couldn't care less if these dudes were all the biggest hipsters of all time, their music is good, and that's all I care about. It saddens me that so many metal fans, who put up with so much shit from the general public their whole lives for listening to music that people superficially judged as weird or gross or evil, are doing the same fucking thing with bands like this by focusing on their looks or attitude rather than their music. Black metal fans are by far the worst when it comes to this gatekeeping attitude, some of these fucking nerds need to grow up.
@@matts882 Exactly. I love that one sad neckbeard screeching about how they aren't even original. Sure, but the one-billionth trve cvlt norwegian black metal band that sounds like they record all their music inside a cardboard box inside a dumpster inside a shoe are the peak of originality and creativity!
i was so worried Finn was going to defend tekashi but im so glad he didnt, thanks man.
Why would he do that? he seems like a pretty nice , chill and cool dude
I Love Music I know but I thought he would so he doesn’t upset the tekashi fans or something.
The fact that Wardruna is listed on Metal Archives is one of the biggest examples of how a band's culture can more relevant than their music style
MetalArchives are like:
Deathcore that literally has all of the elements of any given metal song but has a *gasp* breakdown in some of their songs? Nope, can't have that. It's not really metal.
Nordic Folk Music where one of the guys is also in a completely unrelated metal band? Yeah sure go ahead :) :) :)
Literal joke of a website.
@@PrincetteScarecrow there's a lot of smaller bands that are literally described as deathcore lol, but for some reason they wont add the bigger names
Whoop Whoop! Always cool to see ICP, Twiztid, and Juggalos get some props/respect. Juggalos always push for acceptance and a family like atmosphere since the majority of people attracted to it are outcasts just looking for a place that feels like home. It's all family love!
The fact that you haven't covered Creed in this series really makes me upset because I think they deserve an episode
I‘d welcome that with arms wide open.
Hell no!!!! Creed sucks bruh😫😳
Yea creed is a band that was huge and is now hip to make fun of like slipknot was, but they havent swung back around onto being cool to like slipknot yet. Would make a good video
But can Creed take this channel higher
To a place where the algorithm lacks?
Can Creed take this channel higher
To a place with a golden plaque?
Matthew Roberts feels rather rusted and weathered.
3:55 He's telling people to kill themselves 2:02 while his kid is playing in the same room. What a hero.
Lol, I feel personally attacked. I got a hollow body and delay pedals and blast Deafheaven.
Metal heads: "Ghost is trash because they wear silly costumes and have a gimmick."
Also metal heads: "Fuck Deafheaven, they don't even wear corpse paint!"
Saw Deafheaven support Gojira last year and I honestly really loved them! I'm a big black metal fan but I'm into everything from Hardcore to Prog to Death to Thrash and it was a really unique style that was intriguing to witness live
Deafheaven have been pretty amazing since day one. Good on them for popularizing/perfecting a fresh take on black metal. We shall drink the tears of butt hurt genre Nazis.
And in the case of some of the trve kvlt weirdos, actual Nazis
What nazis ?
There are more nazis in punk and hardcore than there are in black metal.😂
@@dennisvanopstal7360 second wave black metal was literally filed with nazis lol, dudes who didnt want multiculturalism and would burn churches for trying to replace pagan culture and traditions
@@dennisvanopstal7360 You're not wrong, but Varg Vikernes (Burzum) is an extremely influential black metal artists. This dude is the progenitor of militant fascist black metal neckbeardism. We're talking about a dude who wrote a medieval fantasy tabletop RPG based on white supremacy. There are RULES MECHANICS for WHITE SUPREMACY. He alone is worth at least 5 Skrewdrivers and about 25 Blue Eyed Devils.
There was an ICP concert near me and it was like half actual Juggalos and the other half was just people who just went to see how crazy it would be, but everyone was having a good time and talking with each other. It was kind of wild seeing that, but it put into perspective why ICP has such a loyal fanbase.
Riddlebox and The Great Milenko are masterpieces and more than likely gave birth to Eminem....
Definitely Peak ICP. I still think their time with Twiztid was like The Beatles of horrorcore, but...even The Beatles broke up.
@@jovalleau I really like that way to look at it. I'd be lying if I said I didnt wanna see a reunion, but I guess it's fine how it is, now
eminem bit cage style not these overrated clowns yall wigglets better do ya research
PABLO GATS hell nah, I like cage but em didn’t “bite” anyone’s style, but you can definitely tell he was influenced by early ICP. You’re the one who needs to do the research...
@@BronzDano doesn't take much effort to see that Marshall Mathers himself was a fan of ICP before Milenko was even a thing yet and then he would constantly dis ICP in his first few releases. No one gave a fuck about ICP and ICP themselves didn't dis on him until after that. Mathers was salty that ICP (who he clearly looked up to. ICP and him were both from Detroit afterall.) didn't want to help him promote his EP and he got his feelings/pride hurt cause of how dismissive of it they were.
To be 100% clear:
I don't hate 69 for being a snitch, I truly hate him for raping a 13 yo.
He didnt partake in the actual rape, but lets just say he didnt keep his hands to himself. The actual case and the footage they showed in court it horrendous. The fact these were his friends speaks volumes.
Big black metal fan here, and yes that’s “legitimate” black metal that eccentric weirdos make by themselves in their bedrooms while stroking their cats and worshipping their Burzum posters (I’m no exception bar the Burzum poster) and I personally love Deafheaven and even bought their double LP on vinyl. It’s great and metalheads are such miserable gatekeepers!
Thank you for the Tupac analogy. Fans of all artists dig bottomless pits of double-standards I never understood. Jagger and Bowie are basically “gods”, and you don’t have to dig particularly deep to see that’s very far from an appropriate moniker for them.
Agreed... From Elvis all the way to Poison to even now... I doubt every groupie was to age........
yea i don't think its a hip hop/ rap thing, its an idol thing. sheeps will listen to anyone with a mic and an ego, it does not matter the genre.
Pac was set up tho.... The FBI were monitoring since he was in high school considering who his family is....
Pac never stood a chance in the world and its really unfortunate.
Many people, myself included simply don't believe the conviction against 2pac to have a just or honest conviction. So it gets largely ignored. Not to say he was a perfect moral individual. He was highly unstable, sometimes very good person sometimes not so much it seemed. But overall yes, unfortunately the hip hop game is money over everything and even sick crimes are ignored if the artist generates bread
It's no surprise to me that creeps like that exist in the music scene. Especially recently, once a band blows up they inevitably end up surrounded by younger fans who really look up to them as role models, when they really shouldn't. So much in fact that they'd literally do anything for them, and you can see where that slippery slope leads. Another thing I've noticed is that unstable people and musicians somehow also tend to be in the creative mindset more than most as well, which is why many end up acting (in my opinion) super immature. It's this energetic immature vibe that turns them into cartoon characters, which then feeds their media image, which exposes them to more fans, and the whole thing becomes a cycle. Of course there are exceptions but it's really shocking and disappointing to me how many in our scene fall into this.
I'm just here for the Knocked Loose t-shirt
Came to comment this, beat me to it
KL is raw af, but that shirt kinda sucks if I'm honest
DCfromtheV Disembodied
Davey Navarro the original Knocked Loose
I DWELLLLL ABOVE A SEA OF FLAAAAAMES
not being part of the black metal scene/culture really seems like a plus for deafhaven
The black metal scene is (ironically) one of the most hipster-ish acting scenes there are lmao.
When you are not into the pagan, occultic, misantropic or anti-religious stuff and dont like the corpse paint gimmick i can understand that point of view.
yup. the black metal community is filled with neckbeards, just like grindcore
Exactly, and post bm bands were coming from DSBM Scenes but mixing it with post rock and shoegaze, which deluded that trve kvlt influence a lot I think
@@thecreatedvoid117 As it should be. The whole ideology is at odds with contemporary society. I hope Niklas Kvarforth crosses paths with these gentleman. American "hipsters" literally do not belong within the genre.
Lol never heard of deafheaven. But your digs on them are hilarious.
I live in an areas where I still see hatchet man stickers on juggalo mobiles often.
The rainbow kid thing rapper troll seems awful. Sex crimes are pretty unforgivable
Finn, I'd be comfortable with you representing me in Congress, and I'm sure we don't align much politically. We need sincere thoughtful people like you in charge.
Love this take on ICP. They’re just having fun and anyone is invited.
I went from loving them in middle school to hating on them in HS back to realizing how well packaged and ballsy they are... as an adult. I still listen to great milenko and the jackal brothers albums from time to time. Some seriously fire beats on those albums.
@brandon roberts 100%
This is for all the Juggalos and Juggalettes. Don’t try this at home, and I hope you like it. WHOOP WHOOP!!!
WHOOP WHOOP MMFWCL!
Woop woop my ninja
Is that a BYW reference? :D
Lol.... greatest stunt man of all time
@@tz-xi3kr Forever the best.....
Don’t forget that icp was in that backyard wrestling game
They had their own wrestling promotion. Were in both WCW and WWE.
Think they held tag titles in WCW.
Well yeah they actually had something to do with the game being developed in the first place.
I played that game back in the day!
Still have Juggalo Championshit Wrestling going
kream thirdteen frr, fuckin legendary
I have to say, I’ve never contemplated the values of a scene or the cultural fit of a band/genre/scene before watching your videos, so thank you very much. It’s so so true though.
My gay, black friend was very confused when he heard the term "blackgaze".
I saw the thumbnail, and my immediate thought was, “Wait...people hate Deafheavan??”
not really but people dont really see them as black metal, for me they are a blend of emo/screamo and modern indie black metal
@EyeHateMusic so why?
Metalheads hate deafheaven. Normal people actually like it
Metaleiro nem é gente
@@araujogabriel32 the basement dwelling neckbeard types hate deafheaven, they just cant stand a band not sounding like every black metal band has for the past 30 years.
I used to hate ICP (I saw the Miracles song and was just like "What the fuck is this shit?") And then someone sent me the To Catch A Predator song and I was like "Okay so they have one good song." And then I saw this thing on pinterest that was like "The 10 Juggalo Commandments" and now I'm sold. I love ICP.
One ICP song I'll say that actually _is_ pretty good is "Halls Of Illusions".
I knew every word of that song. Tilt a whirl was another fav of mine too.
The Tower is great too
Don't underestimate ICP, these guys are fucking talented.
They sound like every other black rappers.
Late to the conversation but I have to speak up for ICP. I get that their music is not everyone's cup of tea. In fact, my husband and I are definitely more metal/punk, however our son is a huge Juggalo. We have gone from not caring about ICP to having serious respect for them. ICP does so much for community and their fans.
ICP embraced the type of people we are: we are white, we live in a trailer, none of us ever fit in anywhere. Made fun of in school, drop outs, etc, etc. We are intelligent individuals but people don't see that. They don't see past the tattoos and the GED. ICP and the Juggalos don't care. They accept us as is.
Icp is way better than 6ix9ine...
Deafheaven is one of my most loved bands.
As a Hip-Hop fan we also hate him for his sex crime stuff.
Us juggalos don't give a fuck if anybody hates us or not I'll tell you that much right I have been a juggalo for 23 years now and I gives no fuck
you never notice how much finn blinks...
until i mentioned it just now...
and now you cant unsee it
What killed The Wave* ?
(La dispute, Being as an Ocean, Touché Amoré, Defeater, Counterparts, Piano becomes the Teeth, Casey, Balance & Composure, birds in row, capsize...)
or what killed grunge
counterparts are still going strong, arguably the best they've ever been doing. BAAO's new album was a bit ehhh, and yeah the rest are pretty much over
Birds In Row's last release is their best album.
@@OscarManners La Dispute, Touche Amore, and Pianos Become the Teeth are still going strong, but just evolving their sound.
How is nickelback not the intro song to this series?
I wasn't watching, just listening (thanks for having a format that allows that) and I got very intrigued when you said Deafheaven put black gays on the map
Fríði Djurhuus I thought the same thing 😂😂
I casually dated a Juggalo for awhile. It was just... a lot. He was into the Juggalo wrestling, lived with his mom in a basement with a metal coffin for decoration, worked at a gas station which he sold coke out of, talked a HUGE game that I can’t imagine he could live up to. Some of the music isn’t terrible though.
You forgot about the fact that there was an FBI investigation on the juggalos as a gang.
I think it was because of something that happened to Tila Tequila
Whoop whoop. Still here and standing proud.
Thats wassup!! WHOOP WHOOP
@Jordan Spencer stfu and let people enjoy things. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it's bad.
"The only way 69 has the attention of the media is because we can't take our eyes off a train wreck" I couldn't have said it better myself
Also - all those 69 tattoos... Ugh!
I actually love that someone made black metal without feeling the need to larp as a corpse
There was a small juggalo scene growing up in my city. They were always just really nice people.
Yeah bro a lot of juggalos are cool af. Some of my old buddies still whoop whoop. Aside from maybe the usual crack user problem starter at shows but that’s anywhere
@@BONESTORM2501 Honestly, 1 to 1, juggalos are probably cooler than metalheads lol
I'm a juggalo and a punk/metal head, I just enjoy music
Keep rockin
me to man. I was actually into punk first then when I became a stoner in highschool I met juggalos. I slowly got hooked and ended up going to 5 Gatherings. Still listen to both to this day.
Juggalo is basically a synonym for punk. Just listen to "what is a juggalo?" No real rules
Me too man!!
Deafheaven - especially Sunbather - actually has A LOT of underground screamo influences. Check out Portraits of Past, Envy, Loma Prieta and last album of Orchid. There are tons of characteristic dissonant major chords, cathartic athmosphere, and twinkly melodies here and there. These elements place them closer to post-screamo subgenre than black metal.
I'm leaving a comment here so I can check out these bands later :)
Karol K9walski Yeah, I have nothing to add except that this is objectively correct.
@@Yamshabass Here to remind you to check these bands out, Kaospilot, Shikari (Dutch Band), Funeral Diner, La Quiete.
I hear so much AFI (STS era) in Deafheaven
I don't want anyone to listen to ICP. But i do encourage EVERYONE to look closer at their lyrics from their earlier albums.
This is a rad video man!!! I lived in Denver for awhile and saw them early in 1998, then the fandom exploded. I was glad to see em and even then it was a scene.
People clown the gathering but that scene is all about inclusion. It’s pretty powerful.
They get mad dap in the end of the BEEF doc. They are in a warehouse just plainly stating that they built this independent machine of art, music, wrestling and feed themselves and there families.
We don’t gotta live the music but I’d trust a Juggo over a NRA, TRUMPIST, KI KLUX KLAN all of em. It’s about respect.
Shame 6ix9ine was released... He had a chance to finish a sentence for his record, now he'll never have solid bars.... Haha
😂🤣 Ironically enough most rappers improve while locked up lol
@@seinenwax94jr9 Biggie did 9 months, this rat had 2 years 🤣
@Luke I remixed and added to a joke I'd heard before when he got locked up "He'll be the first mumble rapper to finish a sentence" 🤣
Couple of thoughts:
I love your "Hey so I'm editing this so let me shoot a quick shitty cellphone comment that I wanted to add in that I didn't record earlier because it wasn't in my script." moments. They're pretty great and I think it's starting to become a bit iconic for the flow of your videos.
Your "Hollow body guitars and delay pedals" comment made me LOL because it's so true (I know a couple of local bands I adore that are exactly this), and I made a connection. In a lot of these videos you are doing exactly the same thing Brian and Nick do in Regular Car Reviews. You should look that YT channel up and watch some videos. They really break down the social psychological stigmas we give people who own certain cars, and I think you might get a big kick out of how they examine that stuff. 2 notable episodes: the recent Ford Mustang Ecoboost episode, and the PT Cruiser one.
Cheers Finn.
The Miata episode is a masterpiece.
Thank you for this. About to check that channel out now because it sounds awesome.
"The Most Hated Band in the World" We take pride in that. Whoop whoop!
WhoopWhoop
As a Kottonmouth fan since 98 y'all are family. Fuck the haters #whoopwhoop
2 whoops the haters are just words fam they say hateful stuff but to us it's just don't matter to us.
Whoop whoop
They hate us cuz we different because we're not fake where real people
Oh yeah, another story: so we had this awesome venue here in Little Rock called The Village. It was the only place bands like Chiodos & Attack Attack would play here. Well, long story short, ICP came & performed. They convinced their fans to set the place on fire, riot, & loot everything, for absolutely no reason. So now The Village has been entirely shut down for a decade, & we no longer get cool bands that come here. They literally ruined our local music scene in one fell swoop. The owner of The Village swore that no music would ever be performed there again. I saw so many cool bands there growing up. I'll never forget seeing Bring Me the Horizon after Count Your Blessings came out, & Oli was walking around the smoking area WASTED in booty shorts. We kept sneaking up behind him & slipping coins down his buttcrack lmaooo. Kids will never have those types of memories again, because ICP came to town once. They ruined it for EVERYONE.
Ya know...I've never much cared for the "trve cvlt" crowd. Why can I not jam Archspire or Necrophagist and then follow it up with something like Diablo Swing Orchestra without being called a pussy? I mean, I wouldn't, that's just begging for whiplash, but still. And on a completely different note, a rant that nobody asked for: why is DSBM hated on so much by the black metal crowd? It's literally just a style of black metal that focuses on more depressive themes rather than horror or sacrilege (not that those aren't fun) and usually has a bit less tremolo and more down-tempo music, but the shrieking vocals are still there in spades, arguably better and more expressive than traditional black metal. And that's not even getting into the differences in mastering. I'm just saying, I like shit like Burzum and Gorgoroth as much as the next former teenage edgelord, but I also dig shit like Psychonaut 4, Hanging Garden, Apati, and the like. I hear it called emo wannabe black metal among that crowd fairly regularly and can't help but wonder not only who the hell asked, but also why people think it's garbage? I can get not seeing the appeal, that's entirely fair, it's not for everybody, but to just say that it's garbo seems a bit harsh. I never get a straightforward answer from the cvnts, so their opinions are immediately invalidated by their shitty attitudes, but it's such a niche thing that almost nobody but those elitist pricks and the handful of us who actually enjoy it have any input. It's not like other genres where someone can go ,"Oh, yeah, I've heard a few bands like that," because most people haven't. And that's...honestly a damn shame, because even for all the people who don't get it because it's kinda emotionally visceral or hate on it because...I dunno, not enough church burnings and it doesn't sound like it was recorded with a potato hooked up to a nine volt battery on the other side of the studio, there's still merit to it. It's cathartic. I don't know why I rambled about this for so long, it's only tangentially related to the topic at hand. Less an artist than a whole subgenre. Sorry about the tirade, I'm tired as fuck.
Hipster or not, they made the best black metal album in a long while
C MG Can’t argue with that.
Hmmm listen to Illyria or Celeste, you might change your mind
Medusa
Celeste is fantastic!
@Justin Bennett well they arent actually innovating except for the part that they look like common dudes in regular clothes.
Alcest is doing what they are doing way longer.
They arent wearing corpse paint either but do look have a metal appearance
Not at all
People who hate ICP have too much hate in their hearts.
I hate them because they view their fan base as an ATM.
@@LostButBroken that's far from the truth. When they release shit they always throw in a little extra goodies or have different collector releases. They also throw an annual gathering from which they either break even on or lose money. For their fans!
@@LostButBroken Naaaah we're chill
ICP has put more kids through college than most celebs so give em respect as human beings I understand if people don't like their music that's fine but they're good giys
ICP at least came out hard against racism.
I hate 6ix9ine with a passion. Dude is a joke honestly. ICP, Twiztid, etc. at least are loyal and genuine dudes. Saw Twiztid with Motionless in White about a year (?) ago and I’ve got nothing but respect for them honestly.
I’m sorry, but who TF is playing shoegaze with a hollow body?? Shoegaze is mostly played with solid body offset guitars, hollow body would feedback like crazy. This is how I can tell you don’t know shoegaze that well
The reaction to Deafheaven in the 2010s almost reminds me of the reaction to Cradle of Filth in the late 90s/early 00s.
All I'm gonna say is I'm thankful both bands exist because anything that pisses off the kvlt kiddies *that much* by simply being there is fine by me due to the hilarious overreactions.
Exactly
I hear a LOT of ICP in a lot of modern sound cloud emorap kids. Weird how nobody ever talks about it.
When suicide boys came out I had the thought of "these guys are the modern day ICP"
Note: I like both duos
Not even close
@@theequasian3823 You mean Three 6 Mafia
Wave Flannigan influences here and there
What is emorap lol
Is anyone here who loves ICP?
Limp Bizkit>Icp
@@shitposter1000 Fred Durst is not funny
@@shitposter1000 I've seen both live and ICP were definitely better
Not so much ICP lol but twiztid, blaze, boondox, AMB, ABK and most of the juggalo artists yes! They're awesome
ICP is still dope, though i prefer they're older music, ngl.
Dude, for real - ICP and Guy Fieri did some real heel-face turns lately, and we all realized that they were never really heels in the first place.
Rap doesn’t have a monopoly on misogyny. rock also has a problem with how women are treated. Elvis groomed Priscilla and is still “King of Rock” (not to mention also stole Black people’s music and style) and groupie culture was/is messed up.
I have to agree with you, ICP's music is truly awful. I remember hearing them like 20 years ago and thinking this was some bad music. I could care less about the culture their fans have made, I'm just looking at the music and it is really bad. It's like music some 15 year old white kid in suburbia in the 90s would make in their basement.
I legitimately heard 6ix9ine at work yesterday for the first time. The song was called Gooba. I will never forget being actually traumatized from having heard its cacophony.
Production environments and factories get to play whatever.
I've been in places where some dudes would play Mysitkal's Tarantula album in its entirety to Rockabilly and Phsycobilly when the black dudes would tell me to put on some white people music that doesn't suck lol
For the record I work Back Of House in a restaurant.
His best song is “Cummo”.