ALBUMS THAT FANS *HATED* (ft Blink-182, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit)
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We look at some albums that fans hated including Metallica "St Anger," Fall Out Boy "Folie A Duex," Blink-182 "California," Linkin Park "One More Light," Limp Bizkit "Results May Vary," Saves The Day "In Reverie," and Avenged Sevenfold "Hail To The King."
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0:00 Intro
2:03 Metallica, Fall Out Boy, Blink-182
11:05 Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit
17:54 Saves The Day, Avenged Sevenfold - บันเทิง
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Have you checked out Hawthorne Heights new album "The Rain Just Follows Me"? I can't get enough of it.
One of my favorite albums of all time is In Reverie, and I still kinda agree it deserves the hate, because it was such an awful career move, and when they bounced back to their old sound, they somehow sounded worse, how is that even possible. You don't follow up high energy emo punk with quirky dream...power...pop? What?
Do you hate melodies? I've noticed a certain pattern. I'm not above criticism.
Just curious.
My favorite Beck album is " sea change "
Do you remember finger11?
Paralyzer?
I didn't like it at first.. but I honestly love it now!
This should absolutely become a series. Soooo many albums across so many genres to talk about
You should check out the "Trainwreckords" video series from ToddInTheShadows. That's pretty much the entire premise of that show.
Agreed
I 100% agree. This video was great.
What about some Bullet for my valentine
@@yoanbertrand7926 Hahaha, Temper Temper was the first thing to pop in my head when I read the video title.
This man literally gets the most fucking random sponsors.
i was just about to say it lmfao
Your comment made me spit out my Magic Spoon cereal!
Magic spoon cereal ffs 😂 love a bit of continuity
Lol
Am I the only one to be very confused by the last 10 seconds of the video? xd
I found a live recording of One More Light on vinyl for RSD a couple years ago. I listened to it once and haven't spun it up since.
Not because it's a bad album, but because it's genuinely difficult to listen to considering everything that happened after. One More Light is great and a prime example of a band trying something new and getting it right.
Pretty much that’s how i feel about it. I never dived and poured so much time in Linkin Park until recently but it makes me depressed
I actually like blink’s California. It mixes their old “fun” sound with some shades of maturity. And LP’s One more light is rather ironic, a poppy album that contains possibly Chester’s darkest most personal lyrics.
Yeah California was great. I was not a fan of Neighborhoods because it sounded like Tom came back from Angels and Airwaves and forgot how to sing any other way. But California felt like a matured version of some of their old stuff, where it had the quality of some of my favorites like, feeling this etc, but it seemed to cover subjects less rebellious for rebellions sake.
Also it made me realize I prefer Mark's voice to Tom's if I had to choose.
Agreed. I think there's a decent 3/5 songs that sounds solid, maybe too obvious but, typical good blink. Damned if you do or dont
I like it too, its not their best but people will hate everything Matt Skiba touches
@ why is that? Alkaline trio is probably my favorite band.
@@sovereign4107 Bruh they just hate him because he’s not Tom lol. What I find funny is that it’s clear he’s barely written anything in Blink. The only one that’s obviously his writing is 6/8. To me it feels like he’s just a session musician for them lol.
St. Anger was my first Metallica album. I received it as a gift when I was 12 as my parents were going through a messy divorce. Nothing else could have encapsulated my anger at my parents or the world at the time like that album did. I know it sounds cheesy but that album spoke for me when I didn't have the emotional maturity to express how I was feeling. It honestly might be my favorite Metallica album just because of that. It is a "good" album? I suppose not.. but I love it and it's an extremely personal album to me.
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The album is p good as a standalone (not comparing with other albums of theirs). Loved the raw energy. Also that drum setup "haha percussion goes THONK"
I am a huge fan of Kittie (say something people, get your d*ck bent back!) and their album Funeral for Yesterday was disliked by alot of their fans but it came out around the time my dad had died and my gf of 5yrs had left me suddenly, that album hit all the things I was feeling and dealing with at that time and it's still probably my favorite album from them. I get it homie. 👊
@@blackphillip8486 funeral for yesterday is by far their best album. Just cause its not their heaviest doesn't make it bad, it honestly has some of their best songwriting, technical proficiency and overall production, and is the album that made me fall in love with them. Will to Live, breathe and the title track are particular favourites.
I loved spit and oracle, but Funeral for yesterday blew my mind
Thats rad papi, nice to hear a positive once in awhile.
That may be the softest Linkin Park album, but it was such a deep cut. The lyrics literally explain Chester's massive depression towards the end of his life.
Mike wrote almost all of it but sure.
@@Nick_H775 YES I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels that the argument of the lyrics being good is invalidated by how Chester barely wrote any of them. Like Heavy for example, it was largely written by the charity shop brand pop songwriter Julia Michaels
Honestly the soft stuff is way harder to listen to than the heavy stuff. For example my favorite LP song is points of authority and I still love it. I had no f'n idea that the lyrical content was about a topic I am all to familiar with as my mom my sister and me all went through some sort of form of that trauma. No idea
@@iliketrains3495 lyrics are always gonna carry the music in fact I would argue that the heavy instruments are the supporting role for the main star the vocals that sings the lyrics. To put it this way imagine how brutal and uncomfortable it would be if John Davis did the vocal parts on Daddy without the instruments it would be like witnessing a patient having a psychotic breakdown and I speak from experience being in places like that for treatment I can listen to 1994 Korn on every song accept Daddy so I completely agree 💯
@@Nick_H775 I would stay away from the final LP album just because I deal with everything Chester Bennington went through I literally don't think I could handle it. The only thing I tell myself is he no longer has to suffer or deal with rude reviews rude people or whatever crap people put him through (R.I.P.) and you know Finn is right about how we have to be considerate to how others take what we say because half the people that say mean spirited things more often than not are thinking about how they take it not thinking about consequences of how someone might perceive it and granted 1 mean comment isn't gonna send a person over. But when in the public eye you are getting several people harassing you and it gets to a point they break and next thing you know people be like "I feel bad long live LP" but the thing is if they really care they would think of someone other than themselves for once in they're life and think of how to word it or if nothing nice to say they wouldn't say it. Kinda reminds me of "chad" doesn't it
There’s noooo way that Chester would sing anything that wouldn’t touch someone, but on that note, I really love this channel because you’re so open minded and level headed that it represents me so much. I’ve spent my whole (teenage) life enjoying all kinds of genres and at some point being ashamed for all of them depending on the “crowd” I was hanging with, and defending one of them, over others, for the same reason!
There’s nothing more beautiful and liberating than enjoying music as it is, which yes it came with age and maturity, because music touches your soul and speaks to YOU!
Whatever the fuck you listen to is your problem! Enjoy it and be happy! ❤️
I love Hail to the King. I thought it paid hommage to a lot of the 80s metal that influenced them.
Me too
Same
Hail is my favorite song
Finn: "its sad seeing critics see who can dunk on the album the hardest, shit on it the most"
Also Finn: "metallica lost their edge. Fuel is so cringe makes me want to hide under a rock"
Its not really dunking on it. Its just his honest opinion. That is exactly how I feel about Supercharger by MH I don't hate MH I actually love Only the Names is a really well done song on the album. Its just objectively speaking Supercharger was a really bad album even Robb Flynn will self reflect on that. The only thing I laugh at the most is Robb Flynn said that Lars of Metallica said to Machine Head it sucked. Then 2003 "ping ping ping ping" 😂
Lol, yeah pretty much, shitting on Metallica like that but then with LP get's all mushy because Chester died, as much as I like LP that album is just meh imo.
P.S. - Never liked Metallica and I love Linking Park.
Glad I’m not the only who noticed this.
For real. If you replace the snare sound on St. Anger I guarantee you half of the haters would change their tune.
This is why I watch Finn's stuff but don't really call myself a fan, or recommend him to others. He contradicts himself all the time. I dig the content, but the voice is very inconsistent. 🤔
The vice macaroni kid knows he’s got a problem and was looking into bettering himself, giving him a leg up on most metal elitists
Eating disorders are fucking complicated, I would know having one myself. First thought about this guy would be that there is way more going on that just a stubborn flat refusal to eat other foods, not just being a dick and refusing.
fuck yeah man well said
this is the reason why I stopped listening to metal for many, many years. I just hated that attiude, like you couldn't listen to anything else. For an "extreme" genre, it can be pathetically conservative.
i honestly love everything about one more light. yeah the hybrid theory style was cool, but you cant tell me you would rather them re-use that sound for 20 years rather than expand their horizons as much as possible. LP is the perfect example of what bands should strive to be. they made whatever they wanted and expirimented with every style they came across, and didnt let the opinions of others hold them back from making artistic masterpieces such as one more light and a thousand suns
actually, i would quite like if they used the same style for 20 years, I mean ACDC does that and they are still good. Obviously not trying to say its bad they did that, its their choice but I would much prefer the same linkin park forever, so lets agree to disagree.
I basically drifted away from them after Meteora. They had a few songs off later albums that I liked, but the new music they were making just wasn't for me.
That's okay though. They found a new audience and made music they liked. I just went and found other music to enjoy.
@@thebenis3219 at least you still appreciate them going a different direction. most people just throw dumb insults at them for making something new and unique, and not re-using the same nu-metal/rap style over and over again
I just think One More Light is a little bit less creative than what we have been shown by LP. Hybrid Theory was great debut album, followed by Meteora that certainly attached to me a lot, Minutes to Midnight was a decent album I would say but with some really remarkable songs, A Thousand Suns is a really great concept album and executed perfectly (my fav is Meteora but ATS is probably the real actual best album imo), Living Things is pop-ish but that doesn't make it less unique, The Hunting Party was quite an interesting surprise with how they suddenly went heavier than ever before but then there's One More Light, sure lyrically it's amazing and we got to hear more of that clean Chester voice but considering how great the other album was, it feels quite meh, not saying it's bad tho.
@@Waack_ I remember I was a bit let down at first, but remembered as a musician myself that I enjoyed playing all types of things.
People also change as they get older which a lot of fans don't understand. So while it might not be for me, I'm glad people like it.
Hybrid Theory was actually an integral part of what I'd call an experience of "musical enlightenment" when I was 13.
Up until that point outside of classic 70/80's rock, the closest thing I'd ever heard to metal was Meatloaf.
LP opened the doors to me discovering Power Metal, Industrial and Symphonic and I will always be thankful for that. My music tastes have expanded ever further since.
dude that bizkit album got me thru a bad break up . i know they were slow but they have strong lyrical content that can be relatable. lose someone special and then have a listen it makes sense
regarding the drum parts on hail to the king:
arin actually said in an interview that he wanted to write complex and more interesting parts for the album, but the band wanted to go for a more classic rock / metal vibe.
and check out his former band confide. this dude can absolutely write amazing drum parts.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia totally agree, rev's contribution to the band was crazy, especially on their self titled. i think their new drummer does suit them better than arin.
He's a fucking sick drummer, and he's soo tight, but imagine if your two predecessors were Mike Portnoy and the Rev, like nobody could ever live up to that
@@von_freiesleben64 Brooks is unreal, if anyone could replace the Rev it's him
Yes absolutely. And personally aside from the drumming, every song sounds like a sevenfold song maybe aside from this means war.
No disrespect to the deceased, but A7X have never had a drummer that was anything more than average.
I like the concept. It’s “clicky” enough to pay the bills, but also gives you an opportunity to shine a light on some under appreciated albums. I wouldn’t enjoy it as much if it was just 20 minutes of dunking on shitty albums.
I was one of the FOB fans who loved Folie a Deux from the start, and I can confirm that it is often seen as their best work in most circles.
Folie a Deux is one of the most underrated albums of the 2000s. I actually didn't really give it a chance till my gf played it a few months ago and it's full of bops
It's my favorite album 😁
Probably my favorite FOB album
I'm with Finn on Hail to the King. I've always thought the hate for that album was way overblown.
As a die hard Linkin Park fan, I have to agree with what you said about One More Light. A lot of the lyrics are crushing. Even though it’s not in my top 3 LP albums, it definitely didn’t deserve all the hate it got.
Lyrics is heavier than the instruments that's what Randy Blythe said in an interview about Outlaw Country music and although I don't like country I absolutely 100% agree with Randy the man knows what he's talking about
I think that album would have been better received if they had mixed in at least a couple songs that pick up the pace a little. They've proven in the past that they can make killer slow songs but I don't think their audience wanted an entire album of that vibe.
@@gravityshifter The album wasn't for their audience, though, it was for them and the people that can genuinely feel the album. I hate when fans don't understand that bands want to make stuff for themselves most of the time, it's a huge point of contention for so many fanbases.
My top 3 Linkin park albums are:
1. Meteroa
2. Hybrid Theory
3. A Thousand Suns
@@Madyoung_beats Same for me
The thing about Limp Bizkit is there was an album planned and partly finished as a follow-up to Chocolate Starfish that was in the same vein and style as it and Significant Other that got completely abandoned when Wes left. It's leading single was Crack Addict and was even the theme song for Wrestlemania 19 and they played it live at that show(with Head and Mike Smith playing guitar) along with playing Undertaker's entrance at the time, Rollin, live for him. Another song from that album, Just Drop Dead, also got released on file sharing sites around that time as well and was part of the European release of Results May Vary. Then Wes left and they decided to scrap it and make a new album instead. This happened again around 2013ish when they signed with Cash Money and released some singles for an album called Stampede of the Disco Elephants. They even made a video for it's lead single, Ready to Go, with Lil Wayne, and released Thieves a cover of Ministry's song, and another one I can't remember the name of and they had a big Starfish vibe to them. Then all the stuff with Lil Wayne and Baby happened and they went on the Money Sucks tour and they album sat in limbo for almost a decade. Still Sucks just released with none of those songs and despite it being an ok album it doesn't have the Starfish sound the other one was shaping up to have. So if Wes would have never left Bizkit could have very well had another number 1 classic album as their 4th release instead and Results May Vary may have never happened.
I liked results may vary, as you said it's the first album after Wes and at the time I appreciated the change in direction. Linkin Park always pulled it out of the bag with new albums especially later in their career, I find if you binge listen to their albums back to back then you can hear the progression and growth they have in their music
This should me a legitimate series you do with like 3 albums each episode. Honestly I'd watch unlimited amounts of that
Dude no fucking joke, I LOVE One More Light. It's SO fucking emotionally heavy. To me it's more akin to the emotional weight of the side project Layne Staley and Mike McCreedy had in the 90's called "Mad Season". It is one of THE saddest fucking albums I've ever heard. Wrap up all those sad vibes in a pop veneer and you've got yourself the last Linkin Park album.
It's my favourite album right now, especially as someone that's a long-time struggler with their mental health. The way Chester and the rest of the band were able to quantify it all takes more skill than whatever they put out for Hybrid Theory and Meteora combined. It takes a lot of fortitude on the end of a struggler for them to dig that deep and express it that much.
xFrosty Resonance 100% I have a mirror just like that one. Feels a bit like they made that reflection just for us in those moments eh?
@@xfrostyresonance8614 I feel like you would really enjoy Mad seasons Above then.That album really cuts deep.
I like Blink's California. It definitely doesn't sound like TOYPAJ or Enema of The State, and it is not nearly as good, but the songs 'She Out Of Her Mind' and 'Bored To Death' are definitely some of my favorite blink songs. They definitely sound different, and I can understand why people don't like it, but the sound is refreshing and actually pretty catchy. I think if people would accept that blink is changing their sound, then they would enjoy it more (even if we all know that the old sound was better).
What's crazy was the first listen of One more light for me I definitely said WTF is this? Although I've said that with every album post-meteora. They always shocked me with the direction they would go with their albums, but the songs are so well written that you can't help but step back and say damn that is a REALLY good album. Like I was always expecting this return to the nu-metal sound, but they were so good at writing songs that they made me actually love this new sound more surprisingly. One more light was actually Chester's masterpiece IMO. I wish he was still here to receive his flowers :(
I like St. Anger overall, but the snare sounds awful.
I'm a big Limp Bizkit apologist, but Results May Vary was just messy. Losing Wes threw off their creative chemistry. Their new album, though, is surprisingly good. Not great, but more than solid.
And I feel you on the importance of having big musical pallets. I mainly listen to heavy music on a day-to-day basis, but U2's Joshua Tree, Miles Davis's Kind of Blue, and NWA's Straight Outta Compton are some of my favorite albums of all time.
I'm limpin with the new bizkit myself
Say what you will about Results May Vary, but can we all agree "Eat You Alive" is a fucking banger???
@@ryannachtrab it is man
Can't get into new LB album tbh, though I only gave it a quick listen.
@@bodycountplays2915 haha my dude
A Thousand Sun's is my favorite Linkin Park album so hearing metal fans whine about them was always weird to me. One More Light has some great songs on it but I think it's more of a middle of the road album in their discography
I own ATS on vinyl but honestly never really got into it. not my kind of music
@@Nick_H775 Man, I have a decade of memories getting high or drinking with my best friend and playing video games to the late hours playing this album, its the album that made me give then a chance again. Have been an enormous fan of them ever since.
That's a great album, but damn, too much interludes. Same problem with Korn's Issues
@Max Hoines It was mainly Chester and Mike just venting and putting their everything into something for once. I can't imagine how broken the two must've been when all of the songs they worked so hard on and put their emotions into got so much hate, especially Chester. People have no empathy.
It also doesn’t make sense bc Linkin Park is known for experimenting. It’s unusual for them. Why would anyone act like it’s odd that their ATS album sounded different hahahaa. Like that’s just LP being LP.
Your assessment of Neighborhoods is bang on...it's Angels & Airwaves ft. Mark Hoppus, California feels like an obvious identity crisis, where they are trying to capture an old sound, but without a member that was a fundamental part of that sound...so EVERYONE would instantly compare Matt to Tom.
Nine is one of my favourite Blink albums, and a perfect bounce back after California, where I feel like they finally found that balance of holding onto what fan's loved about Blink, while not trying to do a Tom Delonge copy, yet this time embrace what Matt brings to the table, and find their own new sound...It's new, but still familiar.
I actually really like Results May Vary.
It may have been ahead of it's time.
The slow songs have a lot in common to the hits Lil Peep would have massive success with over a decade later.
I also love that they sampled The Mummers Dance by Loreena McKennitt for the hidden track.
It's pretty closely tied with Chocolate Starfish for me. That's my favorite album with Wes on guitar, and Results May Vary is the only one without Wes on guitar, making it a pretty unique entry in their discography.
Im not a big fan of Results My Vary but Eat You Alive is easily my favorite Limp Bizkit song, without a doubt.
i LOVED one more light when it came out but after chesters passing listening to it is really hard since it was a really a personal piece.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia in 2016. His wife said he attempted suicide. And was going through tons of stuff. Listen to the interviews.
RIP Chester B!
@Roberto Vidal Garcia I just hate that this is how it was for most fans. Only the ones that actually struggled with it all and could relate could, well, relate at first. I was one of the very few that considered it their most mature and best-written album. They've had better instrumentals, but it takes so much to put that much emotion into something when you're so deep in the "dead head" rabbit hole.
blink-182 is like pizza: even when they're bad they're still good!
nah man, when theyre bad, theyre a very shitty particular kind of bad
@@lazersmuertos3162 you're embarrassing lol
I personally hated 9
@@noseblind2088 i dont give a fuck
Nah…
One More light was my favorite LP album when it came out. It didn't have songs that I usually like from LP like A Place for my Head, Faint, By Myself, A Line in the Sand, etc but I still loved it, and part of what I loved was that it's an album that I could easily listen to no matter what mood I was, no matter where I was, if I was in my car or at work, it just worked, it spoke to me in a way that other albums didn't. I couldn't wait to see them in Montreal for their upcomming tour back then, but alas it wasn't meant to be... 4 Years later I still remember where I was, and what I was doing when I learned about Chester's passing. Nobody Can Save Me, Talking to Myself, One More Light and Sharp Edges are favorites of mine now.
I loved the album NINE which was the follow up to blink 182 California. It had similar dark vibes to their self titled album.
The entire Hail to the King album is my reference track for drums, guitars, and bass for mid tempo or slow songs. Every song has absolute god-tier drum sounds. Listen to the bass and drums on the intro to "Shepherd of Fire" and I think you will agree.
It's literally the same as the intro to Trust by Megadeth
@@jorisbonson7317 Except its not, Trust has all those reverse hertas in it. The Trust intro is more fun to play.
Facts
This album made me a fan of the band. I never really cared for this "emometalcore", but once I was at a festival and they were the 2nd to last to play that night before Iron Maiden. Then they played a lot of stuff from this album and I thought it was pretty good and decided to look them up later.
I saw A7X on their Hail to the King tour and the songs made more sense live. I get the "boring" interpretation of the album but it was clear they were written for a stage in a large stadium.
Definitely a stadium album.
Linkin Park did what many bands couldn’t and thats grow and expand and Chester did an amazing job on vocals on the whole album
I think people only heard One More Light and didn't actually listen to it. One More Light grows on you the more you listen to it. This is probably Chester's most personal album.
It's still incredibly difficult to listen to the song "One More Light" without feeling the emotion and tearing up a bit.
Yes, that includes the few seconds included here.
I feel that the hate that LP recived for that album really took a toll on Chester. With the death of Chris, he did not deserve that hate at all. Even if it was’nt a ”real” LP album. It had good songs and it was so much emotions on it. Wish it was recived better
@@linusolsson5173 I remember telling my friend after he died, that it would explain his unusual anger outbursts after all the criticism.
@@nickhutcheson8580 i ok
@@linusolsson5173 Well, morons bitching about Living Things being too different and they want heavier songs.
They made The Hunting Party which sounded much heavier and raw like pre-Hybrid Theory era and they still bitching about it. The album made less than the album Living Things that people bitched on about.
So they moved on to made One More Light because of that. They were stressed out by the amount of whiny fans who don't know wtf they want.
@@zeroskaterz92 yeah, such a shame. I get why people say ”that was not a linkin park album”. But they have always changed their sound and it was a good album imo. If someone else released it, i bet the critics would be nicer
I think the reason One More Light struck the chord it did was timing. In their discography, it was right after The Hunting Party which was their most rock album since Minutes To Midnight, and in pop music it came right after the biggest act of the year was The Chainsmokers who had songs that sounded in the same vain as what would end up on OML. That combination, further fueled by the bands aggressive defensiveness, is probably what sunk the reputation of the album.
I personally love One More Light, yes it was more Poppy but it had a good message. And in hindsight it was kinda a cry for help/good-bye. Especially for Chester Bennington.
The 'aggressive defensiveness' of Chester rubbed me the wrong way but boy if you think he was salty you should see how butthurt Papa Roach get over the (WELL-DESERVED) criticism of their new stuff
The Hunting Party was made because people bitching how different Living Things were and wanted some heavier shit. When THP released, those morons didn't even bother to support it and the album made less than Living Things which led to One More Light as a way for them to do whatever the fuck they want and being aggressive-defensive about it. Whiny fans were to blame for it because they don't know wtf they want.
Just discovered your channel! Thanks for your fair assessment of albums and bands, keep it up!
I think the issue with the linkin park record was that they worked with outside songwriters for the first time. It was super obvious. The melody in when Chester sings “holding on, why is everything so heavy” is the same exact melody from “See You Again” with Charlie Puth and Wiz Khalifa. The entire record felt disingenuous to me 🤷♂️
It's also a very typical pop melody. Just like so many riffs in metalcore nowadays. Just like so many drum grooves. Don't fix it if it ain't broke.
@@xfrostyresonance8614 name one other popular song with that melody in it. It’s too obvious of a rip off
One more light is such a good song just the feeling Chester put on it is just beautifull and the song was on the funeral of my best friend and my cousin everytime I hear the song I get goosebumps🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
By far their most vulnerable album.
It deals with a lot of self awareness of mental health.
Nobody can save me: "and I don't want to let you down but only I can save me"
Battle symphony: "please just don't give up on me"
Heavy: "I don't like my mind right now"
Invisible: literally a song about how hard it feels when you realise your child didn't feel heard (as a parent this feeling sucks)
Halfway right: "I scream at myself when there's nobody left to fight"
Talking to myself: the perception of being married to an alcoholic and feeling useless
Sorry for now: explaining to a child why you have to be gone for work
In my opinion the only songs that come close to these in vulnerability from Chester is breaking the habit and the dead by sunrise song let down.
To say they are trying to sell out is stupid. Releasing another hybrid theory or meteora would be easy and selling out. Mike shinoda even showed on his twitch channel that he can write a song in that style in an hour with no effort.
I can't even listen to the song One More Light, man. It is suchhh a good song but I get so emotional every time I hear it.
3/4 of the people only like this album because Chester died just after the realese.
In my opinion its their worst work by far i prefer St Anger to it by a lot, sorry if i offended someone
@@thedancingguy828 I dont think its a fair, or even logical claim to make, there are some legitimately good songs on that album.
@@Timeothy i think it suck a lot, but mine opinion you can differ
The lyrics of Frantic are pungent for a recovering addict. It's not Shakespeare but "If I could have my wasted days back would I use them to get back on track?" Surface level is pretty edgelord mallcore. With context it's a fucking gut punch that keeps my life on track.
the "my lifestyle determines my deathstyle" line is still pretty fire tho, I'm a recovered meth and coke adict, hits home hard
My thoughts too, that's what I like about it, it's genuine and it's straightforward, no beating around the bush
It's cool to hear that perspective on the lyrics. Made me rethink them a little. Still no forgiving that drum sound, though.
Fucking same man. Love that album and song.
Love the idea of making this a series! :D I’m surprised by your take on One More Light given your opinions on some other lighter music. For example, you mention about appreciating music that isn’t heavy for musical palette, yet you say that the post-punk genre, Joy Division in particular, is “small pp energy.” You say that “One More Light is more genuine and heavier with its sad lyrics knowing that Chester killed himself not long thereafter.” If that’s what you go by, I would say that “Unknown Pleasures and Closer are more genuine and heavier with their sad lyrics knowing that Ian Curtis killed himself shortly thereafter.”
keep these up, you could make this a regular thing. I'd recommend Danger Days by MCR, Chinese Democracy, STP Tiny Music, Weezer Red, The Distance to Here by Live
I'm a honestly a fan of California I don't care what anyone says and also one more light is amazing so the critics can stfu
Absolutely garbage album. Maybe one of the worst of all time.
@@daz1676 ya mad💀?
Oh no! I like an album you don't.
The world is ending! How dare I enjoy something if you can't.
"The worst of all time" lmao.
Boy u a drama queen😭
@@tsivils1987 haha I was just joking ;)
@@daz1676 good. But people actually be acting like that so ya never know
I'm a fan of California too. Blink made straight pop punk, straight rock, o stead of electro pop like other bands
The problem with “One more light”is that it came out after the heavier album “The hunting party”. Expectations was high and people tought they came to their heavy days. When we heard the Pop single “Heavy” it was very frustrating. Is not a bad album, but not what we expected.
That's the thing. While LP hadn't quite been a metal band in ages, leaning more Arena Rock while dipping back into the really heavy side of things once in awhile, I think people were still expecting a really strong rock album after Hunting Party. What we got is a really fucking good pop album that's aged better than you'd think. But no one wanted a really fucking good pop album. They wanted a really fucking good rock album.
one more light was literally garbage tier pop. Like 7 years behind the times, 2014 worse than Chainsmokers
me and most people I know stopped giving a fuck after Meteora
Honestly, I think the issue wasn’t the fact that Linkin Park released a pop album, it was more that it was a unmemorable pop album that copied a lot of pop music that released nearly 10 years before it did. It just made no sense to release the album they did in 2017. Maybe if they released it in 2008, it would have been received better but it just wasn’t anything new nor was it well executed.
@@princealigorna7468 it wasn't a great pop album it was boring trash with one more light the only stand out track, the rest just kind of blur together and are extremely forgettable
One thing I really like about the way you talk about music in general is that it conveniently lowers one's own expectations when it comes to new records. It helps to rather see the musicians and personal development more than bands as factories reproducing one style. Really expanded my listening competences, thank you very much for that.
Great video (once again) ~ I'd say that I share quite the similar take on that couple of albums 🙏
And yeah - I'd love to see another video about albums that fans/critics hated 😉🙌
I admit as someone who came of age with Hybrid Theory that yes, I really enjoy the earlier two albums of LP. That said, now that I'm not an angsty teenager I think it was cool the band tried to do other things. The rage-fueled stuff you put out at 24 may not be how you identify anymore as you become a father, a husband, and just in general an adult with a developed frontal lobe. I get wanting to leave that behind.
Funny you should mention that 😁. Back in the late 90s me and some friends had a band. As you may imagine, we made rap/metal (90s) with some angsty, teen lyrics and music. A couple of months ago we "reunited" (pandemic stuff) and as much as I though we (and by we I mean mainly ME) had grown out of that. What Ive made is more juvenile, more angsty, and more manchild like than anything I did 20+ years ago. 😁. And I LOVE IT. Wouldnt have it any other way (my bandmates dont think the same way I do I think, sadly...) It might be because Ive managed to stay single and child free for all these years also... But You cant blame me for being one of the few INTELLIGENT middle aged men around 😏
Idk their later albums don't come across as any more "adult" to me but that's subjective.
I like the stuff I grew up on. But how many times can this dude talk about nu metal or wever hes talking about :/. I didn't watch. And idk how adult you can sound. I think thats more of a front ppl put up. In general. I mean, they may have matured. But I do believe that when they get together they still laugh at the stupid sh. 🤔 what sounds like a young ppl song? Run away? Do u know how many older ppl never actually get outside their own bubbles tho? Uhhh maybe 1 step closer sounds hormonal. But I guess everyone has their temper tantrums. My point is I feel like prob no one criticizes linkin park as much as linkin park criticizes lp. Yeah? Everyones their own worst critic... I know they have haters. Im js. Realistically, I just wish ppl would stop trying so much. & now im complaining. Just to be complaining. Annnd im headed off to boring ass work 🙄...
@@K0sm1cKid yeah especially given that One More Light is a pop album, a genre which mostly appeals to teens. I'll grant them that most of the stuff from MTM to THP was a lot mature though (save for tracks like Lies Greed Misery LOL)
@@iliketrains3495 Pop mostly appeals to teens? Since when? By that logic, what's metal and rock then? Appeals to old dudes? I guess all those teens that listened to LP all those years ago weren't teens then.
So genre determines the demographic, not because of the accessibility huh?
I’d definitely like to see another one in this series. A band that kept coming to mind throughout the video is Incubus. Their original bassist left after their 2001 album Morning View and a different bassist joined, Ben Kenney from the Roots, and basically half their fanbase turned their backs on them over the course of their next two albums, A Crow Left of the Murder in 2004 and Light Grenades in 2006. In a nutshell, they left behind any trace of their former alt metal/funk metal roots and went for a more art rock sound. I think it was an interesting case of fans not having refined enough palates to keep up with the band, cause Incubus fans were never meatheads, but a lot just couldn’t jive with this more arty, even proggy sound.
I really started losing interest around the time that “if not now, when” came out. Saw them with linkin park and they killed it though
I don't think the bassist really had much to do with it. He wasn't very prominent on Make Yourself or Morning View. I think all the members decided to do things differently, especially the guitarist, who seems to be the main driver of all the creative changes.
Pls do more of these !!!
also, there's Diabolus In Musica by Slayer, Risk by Megadeth, X Factor by Iron Maiden, All Hope is Gone by Slipknot, and Suicide Silence (self titled)
Some fans hated California just because Tom wasn't in it and because it was new. Sadly a lot of Rock fans are stuck in the past.
The problem with Hail to the King was it was a step backwards in the progression of the band. Yeah we understand that well structured songwriting is important, it's just that they already had a cheesy butt-rocky album w Nightmare and we were hoping that this ultra popular and extremely talented band would try to create something with a bigger artistic statement and creativity. Instead it was an homage to the big bands everyone else was already copying 20 years ago.
Then again we have no idea what stipulations and promises they signed away for with Warner Bros contracts behind closed doors. They left on bad terms and released The Stage shortly after.
I listen to HttK from time to time, but it's definitely nowhere near City of Evil (which is by far their strongest release imo). Nightmare at least had Save Me which really showcased their talent. Also, the title track is really well written, aside from the It's your f''ckin nightmare"-line, which is super cringe for anyone isn't 12. It's such a shame that it gets reduced to a cheap one-liner.
You don't like Nightmare?
You "hardcore" A7X fans are so obnoxious
My complaint with that album is that it seemed slapped together. Considering the relationship they had with Warner Bros, its not uncommon for artists to just release a crap album because their contract with the label requires them to make one. So I suspect that's what happened with this album.
@@ARC117Studios there's always 'that' person in every band fangroup
I've always regarded Folie a Deux as easily one of the best albums Fall out boy made. I hold it close to From under the cork tree - both are unique and still sound pretty great.
Folie A Deux sounded really mature to me and the lyrics were also very interesting, not to mention the variety of styles. At least it's aged well and more people recognize that now.
Hated hated hated it when it came out, but of course I adore it now, partly because it is a brilliant album I was too emo purist to appreciate at age 15, but mostly because I have this weird nostalgia for it even though I didn’t like it when it came out. It’s weird, like I’m nostalgic for 90s pop I hated as a little kid too. Idk if that makes sense but it’s just like “oh yeah, this song...I used to hate this song.....” *proceeds to vibe hard af*
When I was a teenager, I listened to Alternative rock on a daily basis and refused to listen to other genres. But as I got older, I started listening and exploring different ones like punk, hip-hop, pop, indie, and country. Now I'm 24, I listen to albums as a whole. Not picking specific tracks or anything. Literally listening to an album really takes you on a journey. But still there are some albums that are bland regardless of what genre.
I love your take on one more light!!!! I love hybrid theory, meteora, the hunting party for there more heaviness of it all. But a thousand sons, one more light living things just have a different amazing beautiful feel to it!
The fact that Chester killed himself is the only reason we even consider adding One More Light to lists like this. Album was not good at all. It’s just another uninspired millennial pop-rock album that nobody would care about. Don’t get me wrong, I love millennial pop-rock and I love Linkin Park. I found a couple of songs on this album pretty enjoyable.
But the tragedy of a person who was overwhelmed with all this hate is one issue. And the mediocre (at best) album is another issue. We should not say that something is good only because of the back story of it.
100%. Linkin Park wrote incredible pop songs (Waiting for the End) but OML as a whole is so phoned in and generic musically. The issue with the album isn't the genre.
The title track “One More Light” and Sharp Edges are honestly truly great songs in my opinion the rest I honestly feel had quite a lot of potential and I do still listen to the album moderately enough but I do agree they couldve been a little bit better
It’s a good album, you’re just so wrapped up in how it sounds stylistically that you’re blocking out the message they were putting out. People who really appreciate music don’t settle in too one genre
Chester was suicided. He didn't kill himself. He was investigating pg along with Chris Cornell. Think about it, why would a rockstar at the top of the world, loved by millions, plenty of money, kill himself? It's nonsense.
But their gen x , and all their albums have been in pop culture world . In the end is super pop rock . They started out as being sell outs basically. They carried Warner for like 10 years. You don’t know shit
I love Results May Vary. It has a different style, softer, but it sounds good. And it also has tons of fantastic b-sides.
Sam Rivers bass lines in Limp have always been great. I’ve learned a lot of Limps bass lines with Rearranged being a favorite of mine along with the drums.
I would have picked “Neighbourhoods” over California ..
Neighbourhoods was pretty controversial at the time as it wasn’t what fans expected but it’s looked back on really fondly now ..
California “Deluxe” edition is 100% better and shows how safe they were with the original release ..
Matt really found himself in the Deluxe releases and NINE..
I think the fact neighborhoods was so good meant that I was kinda reluctant to embrace California. But we got there in the end. Good job blink 182
I loved neighborhoods since first listen but just couldn't get into California it's just not the same band without all 3.
Neighborhoods got me through some rough times and I can still to this day recite pretty much every song on the album. I just couldn't really get into California as a whole though.
nine is terrible . it has a million song writers and just every song sucks
folie a deux is still my favorite fall out boy record. i loved the experimentation and patrick’s vocals are probably the best they’ve ever sounded on it.
Agreed
It is 100% their best record
I think it's their best record in terms of genre experimentation and production. I think From Under The Cork Tree is their best album if you're looking for a really good emo pop/pop-punk project. Overall, both are tied for me as their best, they just serve different purposes.
That band just sucks period
@@tylersmith9868 I'm curious as to what you don't like about them
I am totally the weirdo that defends St. Anger, One More Light is an absolute lyrical masterpiece and Hail to the King did exactly what it was designed to.
I've always like Hail to the King.
Didn't know results may vary was universally panned, oh god I thought it was their best but then you rescued me by saying the drums were amazing and I realised I used that album pretty heavily in learning drums, it's really very good drums wise and fun to play along to.
Another solid video. Keep up the awesome work brother!!!!
As soon as you mentioned Saves the Day, I knew it would be In Reverie haha... I guess I'm in the minority but I fucking love that album. Obviously it's a completely different sound & arguably (at the time) sounds like it wasn't even the same band.
But I feel like it's actually a pretty similar situation to the Linkin Park album you mentioned. Just cause it's not high energy emo like TBC or SWYA doesn't mean the music and lyrics are powerful. The arrangements in that album are insane and the lyrics are some of Chris's best imo.
I can understand why people don't like his voice haha he is extremely whiney but I'm into it. Had to change his style due to blowing out his vocal chords several times on tour/in the studio. The forceful & shouty belting from their previous albums just wasn't sustainable I guess.
I'm totally biased though. STD is one of my favorite bands of all time and I love all their albums. Except "9" that one is genuinely horrible haha
Same here, that album is by far my favorite from them, it's beautiful in every way
In Reverie is great, it was just too big of a style swerve at the time.
I was and still am obsessed with that album. I thought it was beautiful from beginning to end.
Saves the day is awesome
Totally agree, and you know what, In Reverie was the album made me decide me to go to U.S. for the first time in my life that far to see their show all the way from Korea.
I loved them since Can't Slow Down, but In Reverie was amazingly better than any other.
This is an awesome series idea, there’s just so many albums to talk about! Keep it up man, your second channel is awesome too especially for your honesty and fuck it free for all attitude 🤘😂
California eventually became my favorite Blink album
Even the latest one is great!
Yeah its a great album.
I rather play that album than nine. Nine has a few good tracks. But California I loved when it came out. It’s not their best. But not their worst.
I honestly loved the album, they didn't really deviate from anything they ever did
I've loved California since it came out and when the deluxe version came out I bought it too.
I really think that California is better than people give it credit for. There are definitely some unnecessary tracks (She's Out of Her Mind, Sober, Teenage Satellites, and San Diego are the ones that come to mind), but so many of the tracks do offer something refreshing or unique. I think that Bored to Death is one of the best songs they've released since TOYPAJ, Los Angeles is a nice darker sounding one, a little bit reminiscent of the Neighborhoods sound, and Left Alone has one of my favorite choruses in any song, and I think Matt earned his place in the band with that song alone.
You know it's funny. Stay What You Are is in my top 10 of all time. One of my friends called me the day In Reverie came out, and was shitting all over it. I picked it up and I was heartbroken that it was SO different. As the years went by, I found myself returning to In Reverie WAY more often than I do Stay What You Are (in lieu of a couple bangers from SWYA that I still listen to a lot.) SWYA has a special place in my heart and my catalogue due to the time it represents in my life, but In Reverie is a much better album musically speaking (yeah the vocals are still a bit.....uh weird). I still listen to it straight through fairly regularly. To convince die hards I always say "If any other band had put this record out it would have been way more popular. People just wanted more of the same from STD."
Everything and I mean everything that LP did was wonderful. You could feel the emotion and growth of the band in every album and growth is a great thing for me personally (see disturbed for the opposite).
It was twice as powerful once we lost Chester.
RIP CHESTER
Fans in 2017: One More Light is not metal 2/10 sellouts mf
Fans now: ........ shit
Though Mike was in a way influenced by Chester when he wrote or cowrote the Lyrics
Its funny, Linkin Park was my gateway into a lot of the harder rock and metal stuff and then also my gateway out of it again xD not to say i dont listen to it anymore, but just getting me out of that "all good music must have heavy electric guitars in it" mindset. they made me appreciate the artistic effort behind music with a thousand suns and with one more light i learned to enjoy pop music again and honestly, through all their albums and i would even include mikes post traumatic record here, their is still a distinctive sound there in the harmonies, that ties it all together. also talking to myself is a really dope song, cant convince me otherwise.
I fucking love In Reverie. I got into Saves The Day just before they released Sound the Alarm so I had to listen to their discography up until then and I still loved it. It had the most interesting guitar licks and songwriting with the most absurd and strange lyrics. It was still emo, but more mellow than angst. Kinda like if Weezer released an entire album of Island in the Sun.
Their latest album 9 on the other hand... Oh boy a whole 23 minute song with the same chorus over and over again. Nope.
Its my favorite STD album and in my top 3 ever. Crazy unique guitar for the genre and a mellower vibe that i can enjoy more often than SWYA or TBC. Daybreak and everything after never clicked for me though, and they seem to just get worse and worse
So much subtle poetry to St. Anger... MY LIFESTYLE DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE!
4:13 The problem with St Anger for me was that it was a mediocre 90s "thrash"/nu metal album which was made for no one. I was 12 back then, I liked Korn, SOAD, Limp Bizkit and even How You Remind Me by Nickelback. I was the obnoxious "poser" kid who *liked* that Metallica era. That was my Metallica. But when that album came out, it was like a bad parody of Slipknot, Sepultura and Pantera. In hindsight though, maybe we all were too harsh. The band members weren't on the best moment of their lives, and I guess we should thank that the hate didn't end up with any of them ending their life.
8:20 I liked some songs of that album, but it was quite generic. But unlike later Bad Religion or later Descendents, it felt a bit boring. There's just something which prevented me from replaying this album, but I can't quite put my finger on it. I'll give the deluxe edition a try though.
11:40 Honestly, I agreed with the core arguments of most critics of that time. Incorporating ImagineDragonesque ballads and EDM-like elements to Linkin Park felt similar to when In Flames tried a similar thing. A formula which wasn't done right until BMTH's AMO two years later. For me, most tracks sound like long intros for songs which never start (a thing I was feeling since A Thousand Suns). Still, what I said about St Anger gets even more relevant here, because it can't be discarded that the pressure of the reception contributed to the sad ending we had.
16:59 I'm just going to say that I like a few songs from that album. It's not a good album, but I was mostly a listener of singles when I was 12. Eat You Alive and Behind Blue Eyes were good. At least for me.
I play eat you alive at 30 like I'm still an edgy 15 year old white girl, best song on the album easily
Great video - Part 2 please!
as a diehard A7x fan til I’m 6 feet under, I don’t think HTTK was a bad album. I like that it was an experimental tribute album to the bands that got them into music and that they tried some new things in it. Same with the stage, I liked how experimental it was. The direction they’re headed is exciting
When I was a tween/younger teenager I listened to Linkin Park on repeat, they were more or less the only thing I listened to. After I started a more diverse musical journey in my middle teenage years, I tried A Thousand Suns and outside of a few tracks I didn't care for it. I pretty much wrote off Linkin Park as a band who were either always cringe, or at least making music now that I didn't care for. Nu-Metal, until these last few years, was pretty much maligned to being passé and a thing of the past outside of a few more critically acclaimed bands Ala Deftones, SOAD, Slipknot, etc. When Chester passed on I remembered why I liked those old LP albums so much, and during the pandemic I went back to see if maybe I was just wearing nostalgia blinders, or maybe if their other material was much better than I gave it credit for. Nope! I appreciated a few of the things they tried with A Thousand Suns and Living Things, tapping into more electronic-music driven fare and sometimes even dabbling with reggae sounds on A Thousand Suns, but especially by The Hunting Party they were simply out of gas. They invited on Tom Morello, Daron Malakian, Rakim, and Page Hamilton only to have these totally unfinished, half assed songs on the album. All extremely talented guest appearances gone to waste. One More Light was an attempt at making early-middle 2010s inspired, unbeat EDM type stuff but with a stronger writing and vocal melody approach, but by 2017 when the album came out, all that stuff was out of season. The fans were right, the writing on One More Light is really weak and LP were not showing their strengths on the album. The title track and it's earnest vocal pleas were the only mentionable content on the entire album. Ultimately I have to disagree with you. Any of LP's content after Minutes to Midnight is weak in terms of songwriting content, and although perhaps LP should be applauded for taking big risks in making more diverse genre content, the risks didn't pay off. One More Light is a very bad album, and although maybe it didn't deserve the more personal attacks it received at the time, it did deserve negative critical appraisal for its failure to win over fans.
As a life-long Blink fan, I am actually a big fan of California, especially the deluxe version. That said, I have always been more of a fan of Mark on vocals than Tom anyway, and Skiba is good at everything he does.
The deluxe version is so good, you've got songs like 6/8 and Bottom Of The Ocean
Is it really worth a listen? I kinda just lost interest after the self titled album, it was a long time before anything happened with blink, (Tom going a bit weird and all that) and I moved on. But I’d be prepared to give it a listen if it’s actually worth it
I never listened to Deluxe, but I really liked California. Bored to Death, San Diego, and Left Alone are some of my favourites. That being said, I get the "too many 'ooh's and woah's" criticism!
same here... no reason to hate
California would be way better if it had 3 or 4 less songs
Definitely make this a regular series. Great vid bro!
I was one of those people who didn’t like One More Light when it first came out, but looking back now, knowing what happened to Chester, it does indeed change how I felt. Sometimes it’s had to listen to without getting emotional
Thank you for acknowledging John Otto’s drumming. The guy was on another level.
blink-182's California made me go back and grow a finer appreciation for Neighbourhoods. And I totally agree that the second disc was so much stronger than the first.
Neighborhoods was dope af
I like all of their stuff, but California might be my favorite Blink album. I expected Nine to be in the video, tbh.
@@Xamantu I love Nine. I like a number of songs from California.
Neighborhoods sucked. The most boring blink album
If you make this a series, I would suggest The Unspoken King by Cryptopsy back in 2007. They’re known for their Brutal Tech Death but they tried deathcore with clean singing, and fans hated that album.
As someone who is a metal fan... I loved One more light by Linkin Park. The pop/punk aspect of the music hit on a deeper note of the pain and how Chester felt after after the death of Chris Cornell, his longtime friend and his last days till the end. As someone who deals with depression and anxiety, it hit me on a different note and i can't listen to One more light without crying. People hated it because it wasn't Hybrid Theory and that is what they wanted. Chester and Mike created music with words that meant something, not because he wanted to create music for the sake of doing it like most artist do now a day.
I like Load, I think it’s a really good album. Different to their early stuff, but still a good album (I get the impression that some would have been happier if they just released Puppets variations forever). Reload is less good with more filler. Hell, I don’t mind St Anger. I like the title track, the Unnamed Feeling and All Within My Hands. The general sound is harsh, but it feels more genuine than Hardwired which I’ve never really got.
I liked Hail to the King. It’s pretty cheesy but it’s got sone great sing along choruses (I’d rather listen to that album than the Stage, which I never got as a casual fan).
Results May Vary was poo. I like Three Dollar Bill and Significant Other was huge, but after that? Nah, I’ll pass.
i love every metallica album, except for St Anger, but Load/Reload to me is something that i cant even explain, I just love it. The black album was definitely the one that made me a fan, but load/reload were the ones that made me really fall in love with the band. It might be because is not that heavy, so maybe that is why people don’t really like it, idk. Anyway, I just love them and everything they make, except for St Anger, obviously. Ps.: my all time favourite song is also one that is not that famous, which is Low man’s lyric, idk why, there’s just something about it that really touches my heart and soul.
Unquestionable Truth, part 1
I was 13 when St Anger was released and didn't really know Metallica at this time
But I remember Frantic and St Anger videos on TV and I really loved em, still songs I love
I understand the hate over the production etc... but this album feels really authentic and singular, and yes I like it
I was a junior in HS when California came out and I was pretty 50/50 on it at the time, but now that I’m older I enjoy it more. The “damned if you do and damned and if you don’t” comment was a perfect line for that album in my opinion
I absolutely loved in reverie by saves the day. "In my waking life" along with "tomorrow too late" is superb. Got a tattoo on my shoulder from its albums artwork. Thought it was a great change for chris and "she" is prolly in my top 5 songs of all time.
I agree that One More Light is a fantastic album. Linkin Park nailed every album they did.
"Tomorrow too late" off of In Reverie is kind of a banger. It's weird and I feel like it could have been done better, but it is not a bad song and probably the best on the album.
It had the strangest chord progression for a beginner guitarist like me at the time. Very fun to learn.
That whole album was good, people only don't like it because it wasn't whiny and emo enough for them.
It's awesome to hear about the history behind some of these artists and then they go back to Spotify when your adult rock out to them like you're a kid again I feel like a skateboarder
I probably shouldn't have commented until I finished the whole video.. there's a reason why I'm watching your channel.. I love everything you post.. no disrespect to you at all bro but what you had to say about Linkin Park means a lot man.. I remember right after that album got released everyone was talking trash about it and Chester got pissed off about it.. you could just tell by the way he commented that he was genuinely extremely upset because of the way he went off and honestly I tried to find that after he passed and it's nowhere to be found.. it's extremely sad that that could have brought him to his tipping point and a great example that words DO mean a lot...sad
Honestly those three Metallica albums are not that bad. Sure the snare on St. Anger is terrible but even then the songs aren't completely ruined by it. No, the one album they made which I can't get behind is Hardwired. It just sounds like a band that has said everything they had to say musically and are now just milking their classic sound because the fans want them to.
I think Load is actually a really good album with some great songs (King Nothing, Bleeding Me, Outlaw Torn etc). Load less so because it feels like there is much more filler on it.
St Anger had sone pretty good songs on it, well ones that I actually quite like. I remember the press being pretty complimentary at the time it was released, it was only later that they turned on it.
Agree re Hardwired too, I’ve really struggled to get into that album. It feels forced and fake.
Load is one of my favorite albums of all time. I don't think they've ever sounded better. St. Anger though... it was like these great songs were never given a chance to be fully realized and others were bad from the start. It's a frustrating listen.
I'm not a genre snob and I love Linkin Park's A Thousand Suns but One More Light really sucked. Not just because of its over slick sound but because the songs are just so corny and uninspired. I'm sorry but Chester's passing doesn't change that.
Same. I'm still a huge LP fan, I just don't like One More Light lol (the lyrics cut deep though)
And then Chester killed himself so here we go….. 😓
In Reverie is my favourite Saves The Day album. Definitely is complete change in direction and might have haggled their upward trajectory but it's a mint album besides all that.
Agreed, I bought St Anger the day it came out and I have listened to it in its entirety exactly once. Hail to the king was also a day one purchase for me. That is actually a very good album when looked at separate from the rest of their discography. The thing that people neglect to realize or remember about A7X is that every album of theirs are almost concept albums. They are unquestionably Avenged, but they all have different themes and sounds to them. So for them to go more 90's mainstream heavy metal than the groove metal/ hard rock/punk at times stuff they normally record is on par for them. They make the music they feel at the time of recording
Finn I agree with you on most things, but 'In Reverie' is not one of them! haha That album is perfect front to back.
I'm honestly so surprised he got this one wrong. I thought this would definitely land in the "not justified" category, and that he would say it sounds fresh now. In 2003 context, fans hated IR, but fans have grown to love it since then. I even know some people who don't like ANY Saves The Day but love that album.
IR is what got me into Saves the Day in the first place! "Anywhere With You" blew me away when I first heard it. I kind of felt that "sameness" in the songs the first few listens, but now I love every track!
Got to agree with this. IR rates as one of my favourite albums of all time, and I'm normally a Minor Threat kind of guy. The album just has so much depth and feeling to it.
it's their masterpiece! the beachy production, the pop vocal harmonies, the lyricism. one of my favs and i don't even like their stuff previous to In Reverie
Fellow In Reverie enjoyers, Hello.
Definitely, the album oozes beach and summer nights vibes.
I've always loved In Reverie, but I understand why it was a rough transition for some people.
agreed, I remember jamming the album and someone coming up to me thinkin it was weezer... it was just different. I liked it but I recognized that it was much too drastic of a shift for a lot of the old fans using more jazzy chords moving away from their post hardcore/pop punk roots to a more indie rock sound. I enjoyed it and appreciated it for what it is. I think everyone needs to give it another listen now that time has passed and you can listen with different ears,.
I did like some of the songs in St Anger Album, I understand that old school fans expect the same kind of sound and vibe of the previews most successful albuns but I also understand that musicians like to be very experimental which brings some happy (or not) accidents and my guess is that was the case for better or worse.