There's scs of his twitter saying he wud do underage girls slaging bands that built this from noting and almost shutting down any prospect of touring for artists that he been the support act ie tech nine
It's kind of funny to me how many of the musicians adopting edgy aesthetics these days, and then you listen to their music and it's the safest music you've ever heard. MGK's rock music embodies that pretty well
I was actually thinking the same thing. After hearing his music, it's really just his fashion sense that sets him apart. I really like his pink guitar though lol
@@KonwTheTrut I feel like he started adopting the whole pink-colored theme jus bc lil peep did it. He mentioned peep (among others) on a Diablo track as well
so true..I'm not a fan of any of his music but its odd to me that so much of his rap sounds genuine and legit...which aint an easy thing for any white boy like him to pull off...then his pop "punk" is so boring and safe... like its made for the approval of the parents of the kids who are listening to it....
At first, I didn’t mind MGK going into pop punk. But when he started doing the whole “I’m the new King of Rock” thing, that really started getting on my nerves.
One of the many issues I have with MGK is that his whole "douchey jock f-boy badass, aggressive highschooler 'king of rock'" persona isn't just an image he uses for his marketing, he's actually like this. He's made this his real life personality and actually can be such an immature asshat.
Which is ironic because it doesn’t feel like that’s who he really is - it’s a personality he adopted because it’s who he wishes he was his whole life. Dude is an insecure crybaby and you can feel it in everything he does.
the culture and respecting heritage thing is a big part of it, but I mostly dislike him because: 1. every time he does anything there's a Complex article about it. 2. he's adopted this, edgy, 'pushing the boundaries' persona and then releases the most safe, kidz bop pop punk it's possible to make
@@speedrakk My friend in Cincinnati who is now a concert promoter got a chance to meet MGK. A few years ago I mentioned the Eminem diss track "Killshot" about MGK. He got a cringe look on his face and said "I met MGK. That guy is a huge dick".
How is that his fault that news outlets write about him 😂? I love mgk new stuff. I actually like his pop punk way more than his rap. Whether you think he’s a poser or not he does the sound very well and he had 2 tours back to back for a reason. I wish I could’ve seen him perform
As a hip hop fan I remember MGK’s come up and he was even hated then by rap fans. Not as hated as he is now by rock fans, but like if somebody told you that MGK was their favorite rapper, guaranteed that person is going to receive the big eye roll treatment lol.
See i grew up around Cleveland around here he was kinda great till he started acting like a moron and disrespecting people for no reason. Like Lace up and stuff with lil jon and tech n9ne he was on the way to becoming a greatly respected rapper and just blew it. This guy can say what he wants be even around here not many people like MGK anymore and it started before he switched to rock.
Same. I think it's his personality.I tried to get into MGK during is early releases but hated him because of his controversy and his personality. That's why I stopped liking him.
Bro fr! and tho we do see diss in rap differently, you dont go diss old rappers saying they beard is weird like 5 years old rhyme and be proud of it. Fr......i never gave him attention and that was the first thing i saw lol why would i ever want to listen what he have to say after that
@@gregverissimo6636 coming mgk was a stan and growed up on em ,like what it was in his mind?he knowed what em can do in a beef and shit and rap devil nowadays is really an okay diss compared to whatever nick and game tried ,,disses,,love letter they wrote for em lol but i agree on that take rap devil has like 2 3 lines but mostly childish insults coming that you re going at arguably the greatest rapper ever lol
I certainly don't hear people shitting on Post Malone anywhere near as much, but I don't know if I've really run into any rock fan who's brought him up or talked about him as if he was a rock artist.
For me it's simple like this.. if your new in the face of any genre of music, you do not shit talk towards the music legends that been out for a long time and still hold up til this day. That's when I lose respect or in a sense, "hate".
The problem is that MGK wasn't unprovoked, if a person, even in he's a legend, talks shit to me, even if i'm new, i'm not going to shut up. If you want respect, give respect. That's the point. I don't know anything about the MGK/Em beef, and i don't care because i don't follow Em so idc actually, but if MGK started first, he made an error, and he doesn't deserve to be hated that much. And for people saying that MGK music sucks, you can suck his dick, because TTMD went well and i hope that MS is going to go well too, because he has his own fandom, that follow him no matter what.
@@justice19xx31 MGK didnt have any respect to the rock subculture to begin with, he made a cocky and narcissistic appearance into the genre so people already didnt like him including legendary bands like Slipknot, if MGK had more respect and humility to begin with then Corey Taylor and many others probably wouldve respected him more in return Im a Slipknot fan and i agree that Corey Taylor started this beef, but MGK was disrespectful first
@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me He gives opportunity to a lot of artists, and many of them end up making good music and some hit it big, putting rock in the spotlight again
One of the most important values in rock your forgot to mention is the “rawness” a.k.a the worth of being the one who wrote the song and that all the thoughts and sounds are originally yours without any artificial help.
He in a label implant. They prop him up to represent a "cultural" change. It is nothing more than trying to feminize men. Half the artists he works with look like they are previous under age sex trafficking victims.
@@matteuzs Not pop. Pop is only about the performance because it is well known and accepted that the songs are produced and sold by dedicated song producers.
@@matteuzs Yes, but people also respect pop performers that don't write their own music, because with pop the music writing isn't the important bit. No one thinks less of Dua Lipa for not being a singer songwriter, or the Backstreet Boys. Pop artists are first and foremost performers and if they write their own songs that's nice but not at all necessary, unlike other genres where the music writing is much more important, even more than the performing.
Eminem didn't just attack MGK on Not Alike because of the tweet. The other main reason was because MGK featured on a song with Tech N9ne (whom Eminem shares a lot of respect for) called 'No Reason' and sneak-dissed Em twice on the song. And that, along with MGK's radio freestyle was what really set him off to diss him on Not Alike.
Exactly! Eminem didn't start this diss war. Eminem never starts them, but always ends them by putting the nail in the coffin. Thank you for writing this.
@@MrPupps903 what nail in the coffin? hahaha typical ilogical thinking, Is a number 4 rap album after the beef that nail in the coffin? I swear you people just don't like the fact that eminem didn't end the career of the strongest opponent he had and only help mgk more giving him the attention
MGK is a jack of all trades and a master of none. That guy's accent changes in a dramatic heartbeat just depending on who he stands close to so I believe nothing is authentic about him. Let me add that he is super insufferable to endure because he is arrogant, sloppy, rude just to name a few.
The thing about switching accents is actually a master communicator's skill. It's something people who are proficient at communication do. It's entirely possible to do that and be authentic at the core. I do agree, however, that he does seem authentically arrogant and a try-hard edgelord lol
MGK comes off as genuinely douchy and disrespectful. It may be part of his appeal and success ala Fred Durst, so who am I to say anything about it, but it doesn't make me personally want to support him in any way.
Idk how he is now, but when he was still up and coming in Cleveland I know a couple people that met him and said he was a good dude. Maybe fame got to him? Maybe it's a persona?
I think it’s the fact that he tried to come across as a gangster rapper, failed to get respect, lost to Eminem in a rap battle, then went from “I’m so gangsta “ to “now I’m a pop punk artist who wears crop tops, my sisters shirts, and pink nail polish 💅 “ It just screams, validate me please, I’ll be whoever you want me to be …… which is the essence of …. Being a poser and not a authentic person
People can feel how they want. But he has street cred, a lot more than Eminem has; because he actually grew up on the streets in Cleveland. A lot of that city has nothing but respect for him. You don't have to hate MGK to like Eminem or vice versa. He made 2 rap albums before making a rock album; the whole "had to switch genres!" isn't even accurate. He's always had a thing with other genres of music. It's just hasn't been promoted since he was primarily putting out rap albums. Personally it's refreshing when artists test their musical range, if you can do multiple genres that's a lot more impressive than an artist who can only exist in one. People will love and people will hate; but people always yell "cringe" when they themselves are pretty cringey.
@alexandrurelea6797 Yeah, I mean Em pulled an unloaded gun on ICPs manager and didn't partake in street crime after. He even said at the time that the fact it was unloaded would destroy his street cred. MGK whether you like him or hate him has lived on the streets a lot more and has bragged about walking off crimes because him and his friends don't rat.
He's an insolent to the one's that came before him, he's egocentric, he's a misogynist and a groomer. He's literally all the bad things about 90s Axl Rose, but without the good music.
Yet he somehow won the heart of Megan Fox. I see that guy now and all I can think is...he's gonna be the stepfather to 3 boys! Pray for those children.
MGK first dissed Eminem on “No Reason” but didn’t mention him by name. That’s what Eminem is referring to when he said he doesn’t “sneak dis” in “Not Alike”.
"If you wanna come at me with a sub, Machine Gun And I'm talkin' to you but you already know who the fuck you are, Kelly I don't use sublims and sure as fuck don't sneak-diss But keep commentin' on my daughter Hailie" went and looked it up he does infact name him in the song
@@InfuriousCoffee Yes, Eminem doesn’t “sneak diss” and mentioned MGK by name. Like I said before, MGK first dissed Eminem in “No Reason” but never mentioned Eminem by name.
One of the biggest reasons I can’t stand him (and a lot of the other big currently mainstream “pop punk” artists) is that every classic pop punk band I can think of were as relatable and coming from humble beginnings as you can imagine; a bunch of music nerds who came from nothing, and gradually became stars through hard work and the quality of their music. They weren’t pre-famous, as in, formerly a famous rapper, daughter of a big celebrity, former Disney Channel star, etc. This whole new scene, to me, seems like celebrities cosplaying as Pop Punk artists that will ditch the scene just as quickly as they cashed in on it. Anyways, go support real modern pop punk bands like State Champs, Games We Play and JER.
rock and metal arent that much about tradition, more about freedom - you can be different, but you are also expected to respect others... you dont have to wear leather pants, have long hair, wear tattoos or drink beer... but you got to believe in the freedom it offers... also freedom to express one's emotions - you can be angry, sad, depressed, not just happy and smiling all around... and if you are being an asshole in general, you bet many metal fans will destroy you for that :D
I love Slipknot, but Corey Taylor is such a boomer dude, it makes it harder to respect someone who's just made of piss and vinegar and constantly shits on anything that's new.
Precisely lol, also it’s so funny how he talked about the state of rock being stale and stuff in 2020, and then a couple months later released the most bland, generic, WWE-core dad rock album of all time
You said it perfectly... Being disrespectful towards his elders... Especially ones that made an enormous contribution to that genre of music and inspired lots of newer artists... Being a prick in general and pretending like he's better than everyone else... That shit belongs to rap... Not rock/heavy metal. Also, I don't personally like him because he didn't do anything new or revolutionary by going pop-punk. Sure, the songs are catchy and some of them are good, but honestly, he wouldn't be half as good if he didn't have Travis barker with him on drums.. Like... The dude is a straight up legend in the genre...
To be fair do you think Blink would be who they are currently if Travis hadn't joined the band? Travis is a musical Genius. Everything he touches turns to pure gold and benjamins.
Honestly I was (and still am to a degree) in the camp that it was good he started making rock songs just to bring it back into the spotlight again. Never thought of him much before that 2020 album came out. But really it's Travis Barker who is the main driver of that whole movement. MGK is just a cog in that machine
I feel like MGK made waves in the radio world but Travis Barker has been doing the "rising tides raise all ships" thing. He has worked with smaller artists, while MGK is making casual music listeners aware of rock again. I heard a ton of MGK on my local mainstream radio stations but not anything with Travis Barker. But my TH-cam feed is filled with Travis's features.
@@nicolasgarcia2690 agreed. Kennyhoopla looks like the only artist in the mix who is embraced by both the modern pop punk scene and the new wave pop punk scene.
'So he's a poser, and he sucks, and I hate him'. One of the most common 'arguments' on the internet about basically... everything. You nailed it there, Finn.
Yes perhaps. But there is a difference with someone/band that started out in normal life from the ground up as what some would call a poser (or poser taste), compared to someone that literally hung up one costume and put on another costume/sound that was created by a committee with absolutely zero intention for sonic originality.
@@Garglemymayo I would argue that Avril is now an actual poser. Her new music seems extremely forced, while back in the day she was basically Alanis Morissette with some pop punk sprinkled here and there.
The same people who hate on MGK also hated on BMTH when they went from Deathcore to Metalcore and then again into Mainstream Rock. He has always had rock influence in his music and didn't "Change genres because Eminem killed his game lol". He had M Shadows from A7X on his first major release. He has had guitars on his records. Travis performed on his 2019 album Hotel Diablo, where he also has a tribute song to Chester Bennington of LP. He's had a live band on stage for years, so it is just him doing something people in his genre are too scared to do and did it first. The whole current explosion of Emo and Pop-Punk revival mixed with hiphop (jXdn, kennyhoopla, Avril's comeback etc.) is because MGK went #1 with Tickets to My Downfall. And even that record has hip-hop influences on it like electronic drums, guest rap choruses, and the way that some of the drumbeats and production are approached. Facts are facts. Love him or hate him he's doing what all of us wish we could do, and that's make a full time career of music.
My girlfriend was a huge fan of his pop punk album until I played the new Turnstile album around her, now I hear less mgk and more turnstile, that's a punk band that really deserves attention, especially that latest album
Mgk was never accepted into Rap and it seems like the same from Rock. Not saying its not partly his fault, but it has made him create his own independent cult following, and they support him no matter what he does. I can respect it!
And I think by not being a part of the rap OR the rock scene, what he and Travis did was create a niche in the music landscape, and other rappers and solo artists are being welcomed in to become a part of that niche (via Travis Barker), which is why so many rappers are starting the jump to alt/rock. He started his own scene basically.
Idk how you can see he was never accepted into rap music. He definitely was and got credit from many old school rappers. The dude has a song with DMX even.
His Album is a top rock album. Here we are in 2022 complaining about how he carries himself. When the early and 80 and 90s rockers were way worse. #softassrockers
Exactly. Actually both of his rock albums went number one. Just seen him live and dude has talent idgaf what anybody says. See him live and then come back. He’s killing it.
Honestly this whole MGK thing and the way his "pop punk"/"rock" album kinda kickstarted the "feat. Travis Barker" thing makes me incredibly mad and it's disheartening. I love blink-182 and dude is a legend, but every other week you have a new song or album with his name attached and the production feels so watered down and doesn't have a single trace of a soul in it. I used to get excited bout songs with his name attached and now I'm like oh another one and it's the same thing over and over again with the same like 5 artists that are featured on each others songs. The problem I have isn't that it's been done before or sounds like a blink-182 rip off, the thing that bugs me is that it doesn't feel authentic and genuine to me
@@Koziiip and the guy didn't really make a whole lot of rock music at all. So him making an entire album of watered down blink 182 and calling himself king of rock does not feel genuine
This is easily the best summation I have heard anyone make of the MGK phenomenon. I think you are 100% spot-on with the values and norms angle. But you also did the homework to know what so many don't realize, which is his longstanding connection to rock music. You were right to point out the SWS connection, but it's worth noting even further that the very first track on his first album (on Bad Boy Records of all labels) features Avenged Sevenfold. Crazy.
It's funny because the rock story is usually something like "I gave up everything in my life, even became homeless, to pursue this dream of being in a successful rock band. My band mates and I couch-surfed for years until we were finally signed" And the rap music attitude is more like either flaunting riches, success, and fame, or even PRETENDING to have those things until you finally do. It's like humility and sacrifice vs showing off and flaunting. ..probably why I've always loved rock.. the humility of it.
Agreed. The people at the top nowadays are the types who will do whatever it takes to get rich and famous - including switching genres and insulting people with more talent than them.
Every genera has their commercial shit and less known genius artists. Rap is rhyming prose that was born from internal thoughts and feelings that need to get talked out. Try diving deeper and you'll find many artists that will speak to you.
I like Bring Me The Horizon but there were no longer want to be rock band their genre was diverse not only it has rock it has pop, hiphop and etc. the only thing that make all of their song similar is that all of them were Edgy and Alternative.
Honestly you’re the person who put me on to MGK’s pop punk stuff in the first place. And I do like his music, and find his relationship with Megan Fox amusing. But as a person… yeah, he’s kind of a douche. But he’s a douche that makes alright music, that I can vibe with, and gives me nostalgia. I’m more a casual fan. But uh, yeahhh, what he said about Haley, and other young girls definitely rubs me the wrong way.
Its the type of music you bop your head to and get a bit nostalgic for, but then never listen to it again cause there is no reason to. His music to me at least has no substance and no replay value,except if you like mindless music like he makes.
Just realize that he said those things 10 years ago, and in most cases, they are a few tweets, and one dumb interview where he was talking like he had a chance with Kendall Jenner even though he was literally nobody at the time. He's grown and matured. He does come off as a douche in that he doesn't care what people think about him - I can see why people would interpret it that way, and he's the type of artist that is easier to appreciate the more you know about him. But that's my opinion. Glad you're enjoying the music.
@@aleksastamenkovic5526 The instrumentals may be mindless, but songs like lonely, play this when I'm gone, nothing inside, etc. are not mindless. They're talking about very real pain and issues in his life. The more popular songs are a little more mindless, I guess in some respects, but that's not because of him - that's because they're what people listen to over and over.
@@aleksastamenkovic5526 But that's not on him - that's because people like mindless stuff and keep buying it and listening to it. Bad Things just gained another Platinum plaque 6 years later so people are still listening to it.
If Suge Knight hadn't have hung Vanilla Ice upside down off a hotel balcony I think Ice would've changed hip hop before EM came along. Ice ran from hip hop too soon because of Suge. People say EM brought rap to the mainstream but Ice did it first
Of course it's not mainly about his music, it's more about him and the way he acts, the way he thinks he is the best thing in the music industry right now, like you said if someone else put out his album word for word it might be loved by the hard-core music fans, but again it's the way he is, that's all, it's not some complex issues it's just him and his attitude.
He’s like 80s hair metal revivalist disguised as pop punk. His whole persona is all in on the indulgent rockstar lifestyle which is in direct contrast with anything that shares any roots with hardcore.
I hate MGK number one, I loved him as a rapper. I waited 3 hours at his concert for him to come on and he performed for 30 mins. Literal bullshit in my opinion. He’s a follower, there’s nothing creative or original about him. Honestly and people get so upset I compare him to him, but Ghostemane did the genre hopping flawlessly and he’s way more talented then MGK could ever dream of being. Rant over.
I wanna see someone like Ronnie Radke go into hip hop and see how it's received. Ghostemane apparently started out in black metal in his youth and doesn't seem to be doing badly (love some of the samples in his tracks). Is the rap community more accepting of this type of crossover?
The album would've been pretty good but the constant use of autotune makes it seem more pop than rock. It's a shame because it's not needed and gives the record an inherent fakeness.
Great to hear such a nuanced explanation. Here's my two cents. I grew up in India and went to a boarding school with a massive rock culture so completely understand the cultural paradigm. Green Day was actually my gateway band into rock and everyone around me hated them so I understand the feeling. There's a generational shift here though. I don't think Gen Z really care about the disparate cultures anymore. I understand Slipknot acquiring legendary status but they haven't been mainstream relevant for years and it's something that a lot of us wanted. I'm so sick of listening to the same rap by 17 different new people every month. MGK is a douche but maybe that's the kind of mainstream attention rock music needs. A little controversy goes a long way. I don't think he's going to be the godfather of this new wave of pop punk but he's a start. Hopefully, better acts will follow that are more inclusive, less controversial, and with more meaningful lyrics. We could get back to the 00s with all those great bands but with a different cultural and generational attitude for the 2020s!
@@ThePunkRockMBA Just found the best take on metalheads and MGK and his beef with Corey Taylor. th-cam.com/video/zFlosJZ_w0U/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=RockFeed Maybe make a video about metalheads vs MGK🤣
Im a Gen Z, from 2004 and I have to say we do care about norms and values and scenes. Blink was my gateway band and I’ve been educating myself and I now love Screeching Weasel. Some of us do care about our favourite genre’s history and I personally hate MGKs guts.
That was a great video and a great point of view as it can explain why MGK is hated by the rock crowd while a guy like Post Malone is being embraced (just look at the way his Nirvana tribute concert went and is still talked about). Post is someone that can have one foot in each genre. He walks that fine line gracefully. MGK not so much.
Honestly, I'm not a fan of Post Malone's, but he's just a straightforward guy so it's hard to hate on him. He's not LARP'ing. MGK has been copying other people his entire career regardless of genre and pretending like he is the one setting trends.
Think that is also of the main difference between rock and rap… rap fans look up to people they want to be like, while rock fans look up to those that are them. Rap is more about image while rock is about being authentic.
06:02 “If he’s a clone of Blink, and you like Blink and the other Blink clones… Why don’t you like his music?” This is something that gets terribly overlooked when discussing MGK’s cross over to Pop-Punk, and it’s the reason I don’t like it… It's actually not good. Regardless of who made it. It sounds like every 14 year olds first pop-punk release just with 100 times better production… It’s not a ‘Blink Clone’. It’s simply the most basic elements of pop-punk done without any personality. It’s like A.I created pop punk songs, featuring Travis Barker (which is a release I wouldn’t be surprised to see in 2022). You have to remember that we are over two decades removed from “What’s My Age Again” and “First Date”. Blink had moved on from that to the likes of “Asthenia” and “Not Now” in such a short time (with the BCR album in between), and the impact that Blinks ‘Maturity’ had on the genre is immeasurable. Pop-Punk evolved so much over the last twenty years that even the Blink Clones that existed pre ‘Travis Barker-Core’ had moved beyond your basic C, G, Am, F and trite lyrics that make up the entirety of ‘Downfall’. If ‘Downfall’ was released by ANY other artist, it would still be among my most disliked pop-punk albums because he added NOTHING to the genre except dumb facial expressions and a few tabloid headlines. And the same goes for almost all the other ‘Barker-Core’ acts. The simplicity and, frankly, setting-back of the genre by 20 years shouldn’t be overlooked because the one guy in the big band from the 'golden age' who didn’t write the music or lyrics is whore-ing himself out to these guys. Travis drumming on sub-par pop-punk songs doesn’t lend them an air of authenticity, I’m sorry. It just makes sure that bad songs have good drums. 17:35 “The way he carries himself is much more like a rapper than it is a Rock Artist” I think he carries himself like he’s unaware that Nirvana are about to come along and render him irrelevant. He was in ‘The Dirt’ and is friends with Tommy Lee… The 80s Hair scene was all about being the Alpha, having status and not wearing comfortable clothing, and Rock hasn't been in any way like that since people realised you could be a rock star while wearing ripped jeans and a check shirt back in '91. He’s trying to perpetuate the ‘sex, drugs, rock n roll’ attitude in a post me-too, social media ran world. I wouldn’t say he’s ‘outside the culture’ because of he acts like a rapper… I’d say he’s ‘outside the culture’ because that caricature of a “self centred, narcissistic, loudmouth” Rock Star was laughable even before MGK was born and he seems to be completely unaware of that.
Personally, I really liked tickets to my downfall. It was a refreshing bit of average grade pop punk in a hip hop/rap crazed time. Then papercuts and his song with Kellin Quinn was pretty good too. But the new one with willow smith?? Nope it’s way cringe lol
You always nail a very respectful socio-cultural commentary, even though you and I are likely to not agree on a lot personally. I think you have a great understanding and way of articulating class and subcultures in the context of liberal capitalism.
Man, I really appreciate how you broke this down intelligently. You compared the cultures, values & general scenes themselves & pointed out the psychology of them both. Well done sir!
Lmao dudes a hard core rapper n punk musician, has a bad bitch, but literally everything he where's looks...um... feminine? I guess to put it nicely...
Man, I’m glad we have this particular comment thread so we all clearly know what different artists can and can’t wear and what is really punk or not. I honestly have no idea how on earth the music world has functioned for so long without you all to gatekeep and make sure everything stays in its own lane. I know there’s probably 500 different other comments that say basically the same shit, but I consider myself #blessed that I was lucky enough to find you folks who put it all so clearly and without any confusion or hesitation. Finn, can we get a highlight here so everyone else can do masterfully have the scales wiped from their eyes?? And no, I’m not on MGK’s nuts. Bro has made barely a handful of songs that I enjoy but even most of those are quality in my eyes more due to who he was collaborating with at the time rather than his own talent. Plus I don’t buy for a minute that the different creeper shit dude has said throughout the years was just him trying to be “edgy”.
Me personally, I never really got fully into pop punk, but when I see this guy act like he's king of the world and put out music ripped right out of 20 years ago, I just want him to be utterly trashed
"Act like he's king of the world" I must've missed that part. Envy really puts the excuse blinders on for yall cause boy do I have some news for you on the personalities of damn near every band to exist.
@@luisalgarin7071 I mean you have a point, but you have to admit he's pretty full of himself. And that's amplified by the amount of media coverage he gets just by opening his mouth
I sooooooo much agree and had that as my own thought for a few years. His music is very similar to blink-182 (duuh, Travis Barker), they are a great band that were very big at their time, currently most pop deviates to hip-hop, soooo wether it be MGK or someone else, as long as pop punk is getting more relevant and new artists start to progress in that direction, best of luck to MGK keeping that vibe going then
I'm an MGK fan and would agree he held the L on the Em beef and his latest single is ass and uninspired I was very disappointed in the weak lyrics and same ol same ol pop punk music structure. I actually liked the lyrics in a few of his songs from Tickets to My Downfall and loved the album but he's just so damn full of himself and can't take criticism.
340 million views on TH-cam, 172 million views on Spotify and a diss track response from Eminem, creating tons of publicity and name recognition. It's definitely not an L, and I would say Killshot by Eminem is the better diss but Rap Devil is an infinitely better song.
I'd say I'm an MGK fan too, and I actually really like how he riles up all of the "old school", close-minded rockers. I don't love ALL of his songs, but he has a few that I have on constant rotation on my playlist.
I honestly think he could be kinda trolling people w this new single. I mean a Collab with willow fucking Smith on a song called "emo girl" with the most basic lyrics and structure possible? Him and Barker knew damn well how many people would be talking shit and saying they hate it. But his fanbase sticks with him and a song like that still attracts more young kids. But I wouldn't be surprised if his new album is better than Downfall
I mean it’s kinda hard to take criticism when the first somebody does is diss you. If Corey wanted to give him advice he should’ve been mature about it. Instead he’s acting like a butt hurt child because Mgk dissed back after he was rude first. I can’t think of a single person who’s going to take advice after you talk shit or make fun of them. I know I sure as hell wouldn’t (because why would I if the first thing you did was insult me?) If you’re gonna teach then fucking teach.
When didn’t he take the criticism, just curious. Because as I remember he acknowledged that some fans don’t like his evolution and his new music. He said he reads the comments and very much aware of it and it hurts his feelings but he respect it because It makes him better and would appreciate if people give him the chance to do what he wants thou
"I think rap music is the only vital form of music that has been introduced to music in a long time since punk rock." -- (Kurt Cobain).....traditional punk and rap had a ton of crossover and shared cultural dispositions. The commercialization is what made them distinct, and tribal. Industry has implemented separation in music for generations. Look how they tried to cut the connection between country and blues.
That was a certain brand of rap music he was speaking about in the 90s and early 2000s. Rap has completely downgraded thanks to mainstream and just too much populariization for it's own good over the years.
MGK is a complicated character and a polarizing one As Ronnie from Falling in Reverse (to a degree) He admits as well that he's flawed, depressed, anxious ... I will always prefer somebody that is trying to do better than someone with no problems (No shame to anyone) And as a rock fan I believe that people are just not willing to give it a chance because it is MGK
That makes sense to me, so many people in the genre act the same way he does yet they hardy receive any criticism. Its simply just the fans not wanting an outsider in the genre. Something very hypocritical if you ask me
I was totally fine with him until he started talking shit on the OGs and saying he was the King of Rock. Imagine some new rapper shit talking 2pac and Biggie and proclaiming he’s the new king of rap with literally one kind of okay rap album under his belt.
@@davidpilger4136 i hope you do not mean Corey Taylor .... Because he spends himself is all career talking shit about other artists from every genre I'm not a fan of MGK but I just believe rock should stop being so touchy about everything Like artist can't criticize and talk shit about each other The OG were having a banter without taking themselves too seriously but now they got so dramatic over everything
This video is perfect. As an MGK fan, I completely understand why people hate on him. I mean, he doesn’t have a “likeable” personality nor is interested in faking one. He’s not humble and has this kinda attitude that comes off as annoying if you really don’t know him for some time now. I’m happy for his success and love the way that you pointed out he didn’t change genres and his music isn’t as bad as ppl say. I mean you don’t have to like him, but the man is in fact talented and successful, if you think he’s not just because you don’t like him please don’t lie to yourself like that. He needs to work on that personality tho, otherwise it can seriously destroy everything he’s been working for. He’s charismatic and versatile, but that will never pay off as it should if he doesn’t fix that attitude and learn how properly interact with the public, at the end of the day it’s the people that decides how long he’ll be relevant.
MGK is just the topic of the day. And the "he makes comments about underage girls" thing is not why most didn't like him. Most were probably unaware, if they're honest. Also, there are rock legends who are granddad age who have been caught "grooming" underage girls. Won't say names, but there were fly by stories no one was enraged about. Every rock fan I've heard speak on him just say "he's a poser" aka he got into it with Corey Taylor.
From him to talk shit about metal legends out of nowhere goes to show what his personality is like. He's been here FIVE MINUTES compared to Slipknot, who have been on the face of the earth rocking away for over 20 years.
I agree with what you said about Ticket's To My Downfall. It's not groundbreaking or original, but it's not bad either. It's very generic and the first 5 songs literally sound the same (I listened to it whilst running and I couldn't tell when one song ended and the next began) but that doesn't make it bad. I think people just don't like him as a person, or expect that if you're gonna switch genres then your debut in said new genre has to be AMAZING. For a first effort, it isn't bad whatsoever. In fact there's some generally good songs on there.
@@TheSuperdodo7 And nobody is arguing about what your opinion is - but as long as nobody came along and said you get to decide what sucks for all of society - it's just your opinion. Many people think otherwise.
MGK will forever be a style biter to me. And instead of humbling himself and giving shout outs to the artists that put the trap punk sound on the map, he pretends like he's original. he's not. There are those who respect him because of his success, and those who let the art be the driving force. I'm certainly not one to be a fan simply for how deep they lined their pocket. That ain't punk
If people knew what Punk is, they would laugh at the idea of Pop Punk that came in the 2000s. It is always more POP then actually Punk, the reason it is called punk is because Punk use simple straight forward riff, with power cords and even at that, it is difficult to even compete with the more popular stuff from the 70s which actually did have an edge to it, 2000 up always sounded off to me, both artistically and creative, but how much substance can we get from Middle-Class High-Schooler's that have literally no experience to speak of? So it is understandable.
@@birdsteak9267 punk energy can always be felt, even in the newer sounds. I guess it comes from an appreciation to older sounds also, but for the impression that it gave young artists. For me it means taking a risk in doing what you love without influence of opinion. It's pure high chaotic energy that isn't watered down for easy consumption. Which is what the 2000s mostly was, sadly. I think media has strayed from the mainstream to where you can now find new and talented artists every day. When people ask me what artists I listen to, they'll never know who I'm talking about lol
Finally someone acknowledges that corey started it. I definitely think both of them need to just get over it but all these sites pretending mgk was unprovoked is definitely making the beef a bigger deal than it should be
actually mgk started it all because he got but hurt that Corey didn't want to be on his song because mgk wanted Corey to say what mgk wanted and he politely was like no this isn't my cup of tea in a way and best wishes
@@matthewcarpenter6202 so I did go back and look the the time line and yea Corey did start it but also he admitted he is pretty much say he is the grumpy old guy and knowing who slipknot is has a insane fan base probably would have been to ignore
@@ToroKnight1665 you're not wrong but what a lot of people forget is mgk came the hood n has that hood mentality so he was never gonna ignore that cuz in the hood ignoring that would ruin his rep
Since before he was signed by Diddy, with videos of him performing live which included playing the guitar, mashed with his in your face personality, I was honestly surprised it took him so long to do the punk rock cause that was the vibe he always gave off. I like all types of music and thought that he was a punk with rapping skills. So while his personality is a bit crazy and grating, him making rock or punk rock, at least to me is not a surprise and looks more natural for him than rap just because of his personality. He didn't have to change genres, he put out rap after Hotel Diablo (That album sucked) that sounded better than Diablo. AS far as the beef, Corey Taylor completely started that sounding like the old man on the lawn. Dude might be punk but he come from the rap game so someone claps, you clap back. Don't really understand the butthurt over it. Corey Taylor took a clear shot at him and wasn't exactly respectful. You get what you give.
You have some valid points. I agree with a lot of what you said. He even mentioned Kurt Cobain in his Wild Boy song. People just don't pay close attention to details. MGK's transition makes sense to me. He also has an anarchy symbol tattooed on his body lol. Punk is an attitude. MGK is punk by attitude.
Given what corey taylor put on twitter about the way corey was asked to be on the album. Travis barker was sent in as the middle man because MGK didn't wanna ask himself then continues to reject what corey did then try to ghostwrite for corey to make him sing MGK's verse. Probably more things were said and done behind the scenes that brung that beef to light we just don't know about it. MGK not all that bad tho he just rude at times which rubs people the wrong way like what he did on the BET red carpet.
Nah. MGK went after both em and corey taylor first. You don't go into the rap scene and diss someone as respected as eminem, and you don't go into the rock scene and diss someone like corey taylor. He was just salty that corey didn't want to do a feature on his song, and once you start beef with corey taylor, he isn't exactly going to be nice. Don't get me wrong, MGK has so much musical potential - i loved Lace Up because M shadows from a7x was on there. But you can't be so arrogant to respected members of the scene and expect to get away with it. In the last few years MGK has lost a lot of credibility in the music scene. doesn't matter what he comes out with, people will only see a disrespectful c*nt in him until he turns around his damn attitude.
@@AscensionUSA I agree MGK tired to son Corey Taylor by writing a verse for him and rejecting the original verse he sent MGK corey taylor heard it and said no cause it was trash to him. I cant even imagine corey on tickets to my downfall weird feature. As for the eminem beef as a fan of eminem the one thing I know is that he loves his daughter and MGK crossed the line so you get the smoke from em.
At first glance I was all for MGK and then after seeing his metamorphosis in the last year. My opinion changed so much about him. I disliked the whole media circus he creates and his agrumentive nature. We never saw AFI beefing with Offspring even NOFX doesn't beef with bands. Imagine if Anti-Flag beefed with Rise Against? I feel as if he's trying to deconstruct rock and to create this new sub genre that enjoys the creation of publicity by creating drama.
Ok...if people(the media and you) follow and blow up every little thing I do then how tf is that my fault? 😂 i dont think any of you actually hear/see yourselves when you critique things.
Actually, the "beard is weird" comment was a reference to a line from one of Eminem's songs where he said "Can't leave rap alone, the game needs me 'Til we grow beards, get weird and disappear." So basically he was implying it's time to disappear. Pretty clever, honestly, but he definitely lost the battle. "Kill Shot" was a surgical dissection of "Rap Devil" and MGK as a whole.
Em did rebuttal really well but that's all he really did was rebuttal and flip lines piggy backing off of mgk. Didn't really bring any new points to the argument where mgk did say things that made us question his credibility like calling his label asking for a public apology which is kind of hypocritical considering the amount of people hes made fun of over the years even under age girls. Overall I think it was good for both parties and mgk is more relevant then other dispite what people would like you to think about his career dying
Not that I listen to MGK but I find it annoying that today's Rock audience is so fixated on tradition. Every single legacy/legend band broke tradition back then. We all know them because they innovated in some way, shape or form. Example: 80's hair rock/metal, where's the tradition there? It was the complete opposite of whatever was going on in the 70s. When did we become a bunch of stuck-ups?
That's part of why rock is fading away. Trying to stick to the old ways of doing things doesn't work in the era of the Internet. Rock culture needs to evolve. It's stuck.
I noticed the issue between MGK and the rock scene is about respect and seniority. He thinks he is the king of rock when he makes medium to crappy pop punk music. MGK has criticized how Corey dresses and his talent. You wouldn't say that to Céline Dion, why to Corey? It makes it way more disrespectful coming from some greasy creep who has half a braincell. If you are going to criticize one of our best, at least be more talented than them (or in the ballpark at minimum).
@@kingexclusivo lmao no, just because "punk" is in the the name of that sub genre doesn't mean it's punk. Emo was originally a subgenre of punk but it evolved to something else, some would argue it evolved to pop punk. Same with Gothic metal, it's not goth. Metalheads would call you a poser for calling trap metal a subgenre of metal. I wouldn't ofc because idc. All these genres evolve to something new which lose the identity they originally came from. Listen to Dead Kennedys or Poison Girls and compare them to Green Day(not sure if they're pop punk) or My chemical Romance or a song by MGK "emo girl".
This is so funny to me. Rock was always about being different, not giving a fuck and being rebellious against the generation of their parents etc. Now you have an artist who doesn't give a shit people dislike him for being different. Rock is like: dare to be different Also Rock: oh no! Not that kind of different. You have to be more like us. An older video was abute entertainment in Rock music. MGK doesn't influence my life or something like that, but he entertains me from time to time. No more no less. These older tweets are pretty disturbing though.
Just to clarify for you, the reason Em wrote that part in Not Alike is mostly because MGK had been sneak dissing Em for years, one example being the song with MGK and Tech Nine, and there were a couple others. The tweet thing happened way way in the past.
My stance on MGK: I hate that he makes great pop punk. Like why did it have to be him? Why did he have to be the one that revived pop punk? Lol he’s so unlikeable from every angle but he did what he did
That's the thing though, he didn't revive it, pop punk has never stopped it just wasn't mainstream. The people that care about the genre have other bands they listen to, so he isn't really that relevant to people inside the culture, he just makes pop punk for people that don't really listen to pop punk.
@@jebe5914 Of course pop punk never stopped. No genre ever comes to a halt. There are still people making 80s hair metal and 60/70s disco. But that doesn't mean they aren't effectively "dead" to the majority of music consumers. I've been listening to pop punk for nearly all 27 years of my life. I've been listening through the highs and lows. I think it's a big disingenuous to say pop punk wasn't dead since the early 2010s. Of course you had great acts. But normies didn't listen to them. The radio didn't play them. Hell, man overboard's logo was "defend pop punk". Personally, I think the revival has more to do with Travis Barker and the emo rap scene like Lil Peep, X, and Juice WRLD, than MGK. But he really was the one that finally said, we're gunna go all in on early 2000s pop punk with minimal trap elements.
I think you really nailed it. Again. In my case, I was never convinced he was "part of the culture" or that he really cared about rock music at all. The example that comes to mind is his cover of Misery Business. It was very... phoned in. It was a song that he knew everyone knows and that would be an easy click, but it sounded like some exhausted dude at a karaoke bar. Then when TTMDF came out, I remember thinking the same thing. I wasn't expecting anything revolutionary, but I was expecting at least some real personality. It never really showed itself to me. Then the interviews and coverage started. I couldn't avoid him. He got annoying. Fast. At that point, I still wasn't a fan, but I at least respected that he was getting people into rock music. Even to the smallest degree. He got his fans to leave their comfort zone in a lot of cases, and I thought that was cool. But any of the respect I had went away when he started speaking on behalf of rock music and the scene in general. It felt like the new guy at work giving you advice on how to do your job a few days after he started. I was kind of just listening to him, thinking "who the fuck do you think you are?". I for the most part ignored him after that. Until Riot Fest. I was planning on at least catching his set, to see if maybe I was missing something. I was already going to see Slipknot a few days later, so I didn't mind missing them. MGK was not great. He didn't sound great, he had a shitty attitude, no one was really getting into it with him. Then the stupid "weird masks" thing happened. I felt the same way as i did when he spoke on behalf of the rock scene. This time it's the new guy at work telling the guy who's been there for 25 years how to do their job. I officially couldn't bring myself to even bother with him anymore. A lot of people there felt the same way. I eneded up catching the 2nd half of Slipknot. Now with this whole beef and the constant lack of self-awareness, I'm just more sad than anything else. He should be doing damage control, but instead he and Corey are just fanning the dumpster fire that is the beef. As of now, I just hope that the new generation of rock fans MGK brought in doesn't think that shit like this is normal or wanted and we don't see this happening more and more in the years to come. It would be a huge bummer. But that's just my personal journey with him. Feel free to open a discussion with me. I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts.
Well, you said it yourself, you have the mindset of an 50-year old boomer employee and don't like what the young people are doing. Idk in what degree he tried to represent the scene, I think it was more criticism. The thing is, what do you know what is good or people like? This is not even work, where you have actual work experience. It is just music. But whatever, just saying.
@_denzoned_ I'm not sure if you understood the comment I made. I was not saying that he was bad for making his album. It just wasn't my cup of tea. More my point was that he was telling people who have been making a living from rock music for far longer than him that their uniforms are incorrect and pretending like he's the savior for all of rock music. He was the new guy telling the veteran how to do their job. He's also not a "young kid" nor is he doing anything too over the top innovative. So my opinion has nothing to do with "what the kids are doing". I actually listen to a lot of new music from artists who haven't been around since 2010, but are a lot younger. I'll say again that I'm stoked that he brought a new wave of rock fans, but I don't agree with the way he carries himself while he tries to be the face of new rock music. But go off.
Mgk is a shitty failed rapper he will never be a rockstar or rock he embarrassed the pop punk genre real rockstar Corey taylor spoke the truth and owned him like Eminem did
@@patricklosiniecki8503 just a quick correction, when mgk made the comment about the comfortable shoes, he was talking about his experience in warped tour where some bands didn’t even play life instruments and wore comfortable cloth which is not how he grew watching rock bands do. There is an interview back in 2012 when he was on the tour and said the same thing. He wasn’t talking about all rock bands or demanding anyone to wear a certain way. Also, the beef with Corey is stupid because Corey started the trash talk, why mgk has to shut up about it ? IT doesn’t make sense to me..
Great point about sharing certain values! MGK is not the first rapper who ventured into the rock area, Cypress Hill for example are generally liked within the rock & metal community. Ice-T also created the metal/hardcore group Body Count and never heard anyone shit on them (different degree of fame, I know).
A „punk rocker“, who makes advertising for a bank xD. This is the USA.. Americans dont know how to - punk rock - you got capitalism in your veins.. The Exploited - Fuck the USA. Dont matter what you listen to, don't matter what you did as a „punk Rocker“ You aint part of punk rock culture, you are simply not able to, MBA. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Tecumseh
I’ve been wondering about this for a while, about MGK specifically, and I appreciate that Finn broke it down in so much detail. MGK is exactly the man he describes himself as. He throws himself at the project, and uses whatever his core judgments already are. He’s going to have to be there for a while before he’s respected for that.
Ended up working a MGK show in Laughlin awhile back. His whole set was an obnoxious amount of Hot Pink. Im talking lighting truss, drum riser, stage props, all of it covered in pink. Saw him walking around backstage with his arm around *not* megan fox too
I personally dont like MGK from being a Lil Peep fan. He seriously just died and MGK just took his whole style and persona to make money, he saw Peep was getting popular. he started as a rapper and then all of a sudden changed his entire discography after being cooked by Eminem. He is the most cringe mf I have ever heard and I can't stand him.
It was always clear that MGK was a fan of punk music. He had Kellin Quinn sing the hook to Rise Against’s “Swing Life Away” on one of his hip-hop mixtapes way back, and if you watch his interview with Nardwuar, Nard gives him a signed Anti-Flag record and he gets super hype about it.
@@brandonlatus2218 They wouldn't hate him. He was on Warped Tour with them and went to every one of their shows. Why would they hate a fan? Oh, that's right, you just assume people hate because that's the only emotion you seem to be able to feel.
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Mgk diss Eminem on hot 97 and on tech 9 track I follow u on twitter if u got 1 bro
There's scs of his twitter saying he wud do underage girls slaging bands that built this from noting and almost shutting down any prospect of touring for artists that he been the support act ie tech nine
So Eminem didn't start it mgk did that tweet
Eminem did destroy him otherwise he wudnt do another genres hmmmmm
Look Jon snow u know nothing
It's kind of funny to me how many of the musicians adopting edgy aesthetics these days, and then you listen to their music and it's the safest music you've ever heard. MGK's rock music embodies that pretty well
Yeah man nothing says edgy and badass like having someone write a 4 chord progression for you. I totally agree lmao.
I was actually thinking the same thing. After hearing his music, it's really just his fashion sense that sets him apart.
I really like his pink guitar though lol
@@IrreIephant exactly, nothing says edgy like PoP Punk music that fucking 10 year olds listen to.
@@KonwTheTrut I feel like he started adopting the whole pink-colored theme jus bc lil peep did it. He mentioned peep (among others) on a Diablo track as well
so true..I'm not a fan of any of his music but its odd to me that so much of his rap sounds genuine and legit...which aint an easy thing for any white boy like him to pull off...then his pop "punk" is so boring and safe... like its made for the approval of the parents of the kids who are listening to it....
My main issue with MGK personally is his persona. It just comes off as really cringeworthy to me, like he's trying too hard to prove himself.
He definitely is trying too hard to be "special".
clearly jealous, kells never forces himself to be someone, he just has a really strong personality. he's such a calm and relaxed guy but ok
@@pelay01 Lmao what would I be jealous of?
@@pelay01 Nah. Whenever i see him i just wanna laugh. Everything about him seems fake af. Hes pure cringe like he wants so bad to be cool😂
What's wrong with it? Stop making reasons to hate people. Get a life.
MGK is like if a 13-23 year old focus group designed a human persona.
Or AI.
Scary bc he has no boundaries with people in that age range
Very underrated comment.
Such an accurate statement my TH-cam friend
@@litneyloxan yk he fits in with pop punk tho
I never hear anyone bring up how Eminem called MGK “R. Kelly”. It’s so smooth no one noticed.
I remember catching that when the album first dropped and being proper puzzled how no one else seemed to catch the reference...
At first, I didn’t mind MGK going into pop punk. But when he started doing the whole “I’m the new King of Rock” thing, that really started getting on my nerves.
Lol good
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He never said that
Yeah calling yourself the king of rock is the least rock thing
One of the many issues I have with MGK is that his whole "douchey jock f-boy badass, aggressive highschooler 'king of rock'" persona isn't just an image he uses for his marketing, he's actually like this. He's made this his real life personality and actually can be such an immature asshat.
…and he’s in his 30’s
Nailed it.
Took Eminem a bakers dozen in minutes to end this mans rap career. Probably did it on his coffee break.
Which is ironic because it doesn’t feel like that’s who he really is - it’s a personality he adopted because it’s who he wishes he was his whole life. Dude is an insecure crybaby and you can feel it in everything he does.
I see that guy now and all I can think is...he's gonna be the stepfather to 3 boys! Pray for those children.
the culture and respecting heritage thing is a big part of it, but I mostly dislike him because:
1. every time he does anything there's a Complex article about it.
2. he's adopted this, edgy, 'pushing the boundaries' persona and then releases the most safe, kidz bop pop punk it's possible to make
3. Can't even properly play his own songs live, though i give him props for playing live, unless the record is that horrible out of tune.
@@birdsteak9267 and he is a major tool.
@@speedrakk My friend in Cincinnati who is now a concert promoter got a chance to meet MGK. A few years ago I mentioned the Eminem diss track "Killshot" about MGK. He got a cringe look on his face and said "I met MGK. That guy is a huge dick".
How is that his fault that news outlets write about him 😂? I love mgk new stuff. I actually like his pop punk way more than his rap. Whether you think he’s a poser or not he does the sound very well and he had 2 tours back to back for a reason. I wish I could’ve seen him perform
As a hip hop fan I remember MGK’s come up and he was even hated then by rap fans. Not as hated as he is now by rock fans, but like if somebody told you that MGK was their favorite rapper, guaranteed that person is going to receive the big eye roll treatment lol.
See i grew up around Cleveland around here he was kinda great till he started acting like a moron and disrespecting people for no reason. Like Lace up and stuff with lil jon and tech n9ne he was on the way to becoming a greatly respected rapper and just blew it. This guy can say what he wants be even around here not many people like MGK anymore and it started before he switched to rock.
Same. I think it's his personality.I tried to get into MGK during is early releases but hated him because of his controversy and his personality. That's why I stopped liking him.
@@hectorg362 he just wants to be Axl rose
Bro fr! and tho we do see diss in rap differently, you dont go diss old rappers saying they beard is weird like 5 years old rhyme and be proud of it. Fr......i never gave him attention and that was the first thing i saw lol why would i ever want to listen what he have to say after that
@@gregverissimo6636 coming mgk was a stan and growed up on em ,like what it was in his mind?he knowed what em can do in a beef and shit and rap devil nowadays is really an okay diss compared to whatever nick and game tried ,,disses,,love letter they wrote for em lol but i agree on that take rap devil has like 2 3 lines but mostly childish insults coming that you re going at arguably the greatest rapper ever lol
What you explained about why MGK is not accepted in rock culture explains perfectly why Post Malone was accepted in the first place
I certainly don't hear people shitting on Post Malone anywhere near as much, but I don't know if I've really run into any rock fan who's brought him up or talked about him as if he was a rock artist.
Can you please explain what you mean??
@@VossaBygde little kids and tweens like post malone. adults dont take him seriously
@@user-lv6mu8er9z post Malone definitely doesn’t strike me as rock at all but I also haven’t really listened to much by him
Yea I don't listen to post Malone at all but he does come off as a genuine guy
For me it's simple like this.. if your new in the face of any genre of music, you do not shit talk towards the music legends that been out for a long time and still hold up til this day. That's when I lose respect or in a sense, "hate".
Even though the legend was talking shit to him first he just shouldn't respond?
The problem is that MGK wasn't unprovoked, if a person, even in he's a legend, talks shit to me, even if i'm new, i'm not going to shut up. If you want respect, give respect. That's the point. I don't know anything about the MGK/Em beef, and i don't care because i don't follow Em so idc actually, but if MGK started first, he made an error, and he doesn't deserve to be hated that much. And for people saying that MGK music sucks, you can suck his dick, because TTMD went well and i hope that MS is going to go well too, because he has his own fandom, that follow him no matter what.
@@justice19xx31 MGK didnt have any respect to the rock subculture to begin with, he made a cocky and narcissistic appearance into the genre so people already didnt like him including legendary bands like Slipknot, if MGK had more respect and humility to begin with then Corey Taylor and many others probably wouldve respected him more in return
Im a Slipknot fan and i agree that Corey Taylor started this beef, but MGK was disrespectful first
@@justanothernobody982 Slipknot shit music
@@justanothernobody982 they troll you bruh
Travis Barker doing more for the genre than MGK
@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me Actually yes
@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me were you even alive in the 90’s?
@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me Travis is just trying to get paid he'll work with anyone to make $$$$$$
Travis doesnt sing thats what MGK Is for
@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me He gives opportunity to a lot of artists, and many of them end up making good music and some hit it big, putting rock in the spotlight again
One of the most important values in rock your forgot to mention is the “rawness” a.k.a the worth of being the one who wrote the song and that all the thoughts and sounds are originally yours without any artificial help.
He in a label implant. They prop him up to represent a "cultural" change. It is nothing more than trying to feminize men. Half the artists he works with look like they are previous under age sex trafficking victims.
i think that one implies to all musical subcultures
@@matteuzs Not pop. Pop is only about the performance because it is well known and accepted that the songs are produced and sold by dedicated song producers.
@@adorabell4253 well, generally people will respect a pop artist who writes his own original lyrics.
@@matteuzs Yes, but people also respect pop performers that don't write their own music, because with pop the music writing isn't the important bit. No one thinks less of Dua Lipa for not being a singer songwriter, or the Backstreet Boys. Pop artists are first and foremost performers and if they write their own songs that's nice but not at all necessary, unlike other genres where the music writing is much more important, even more than the performing.
Eminem didn't just attack MGK on Not Alike because of the tweet. The other main reason was because MGK featured on a song with Tech N9ne (whom Eminem shares a lot of respect for) called 'No Reason' and sneak-dissed Em twice on the song. And that, along with MGK's radio freestyle was what really set him off to diss him on Not Alike.
Exactly! Eminem didn't start this diss war. Eminem never starts them, but always ends them by putting the nail in the coffin.
Thank you for writing this.
Exactly lol i should have known a fellow em fan wouldve been here to set him straight 😂 hes not the starter hes the finisher 100%
@@MrPupps903 what nail in the coffin? hahaha typical ilogical thinking, Is a number 4 rap album after the beef that nail in the coffin? I swear you people just don't like the fact that eminem didn't end the career of the strongest opponent he had and only help mgk more giving him the attention
Eminem didn't just destroy his rapping career but made him switch music styles. What's next country? God forbid he even tries.
@@Yuuki_Asuna cringe
MGK is a jack of all trades and a master of none. That guy's accent changes in a dramatic heartbeat just depending on who he stands close to so I believe nothing is authentic about him. Let me add that he is super insufferable to endure because he is arrogant, sloppy, rude just to name a few.
Literally watch any interview w him. He does pop punk really well and his rap freestyles are very impressive. You're just a blind hater.
@@Eric-oq2yu you must know him well after those interviews. Stop obsessing over strangers
@@ultrawolflord8495 could literally say exactly that to you as well
@@Eric-oq2yu not exactly, try again
The thing about switching accents is actually a master communicator's skill. It's something people who are proficient at communication do. It's entirely possible to do that and be authentic at the core. I do agree, however, that he does seem authentically arrogant and a try-hard edgelord lol
MGK comes off as genuinely douchy and disrespectful. It may be part of his appeal and success ala Fred Durst, so who am I to say anything about it, but it doesn't make me personally want to support him in any way.
He definitely is like the new Fred Durst or Kid Rock.
but with fred, that’s all an image to get publicity....with mgk it seems genuine
@@lttledreamer true that
Idk how he is now, but when he was still up and coming in Cleveland I know a couple people that met him and said he was a good dude. Maybe fame got to him? Maybe it's a persona?
No, just... no
I think it’s the fact that he tried to come across as a gangster rapper, failed to get respect, lost to Eminem in a rap battle, then went from “I’m so gangsta “ to “now I’m a pop punk artist who wears crop tops, my sisters shirts, and pink nail polish 💅 “
It just screams, validate me please, I’ll be whoever you want me to be …… which is the essence of …. Being a poser and not a authentic person
Exactly. 100%
People can feel how they want. But he has street cred, a lot more than Eminem has; because he actually grew up on the streets in Cleveland. A lot of that city has nothing but respect for him.
You don't have to hate MGK to like Eminem or vice versa.
He made 2 rap albums before making a rock album; the whole "had to switch genres!" isn't even accurate. He's always had a thing with other genres of music. It's just hasn't been promoted since he was primarily putting out rap albums. Personally it's refreshing when artists test their musical range, if you can do multiple genres that's a lot more impressive than an artist who can only exist in one.
People will love and people will hate; but people always yell "cringe" when they themselves are pretty cringey.
@@RebelPaws A lot more street cred than Em?
@alexandrurelea6797 Yeah, I mean Em pulled an unloaded gun on ICPs manager and didn't partake in street crime after.
He even said at the time that the fact it was unloaded would destroy his street cred.
MGK whether you like him or hate him has lived on the streets a lot more and has bragged about walking off crimes because him and his friends don't rat.
@@RebelPawsI definitely respect people who are more willing to hurt others…
He's an insolent to the one's that came before him, he's egocentric, he's a misogynist and a groomer. He's literally all the bad things about 90s Axl Rose, but without the good music.
Axl Rose could have gave Eminem more of a challenge than that douchebag did. lol
Lol damn
Yet he somehow won the heart of Megan Fox.
I see that guy now and all I can think is...he's gonna be the stepfather to 3 boys! Pray for those children.
Oh he’s a groomer too? Haven’t heard that, nothing would surprise me about him though with all the other weird shit
lol do you even know what "misogynist" means?
MGK first dissed Eminem on “No Reason” but didn’t mention him by name. That’s what Eminem is referring to when he said he doesn’t “sneak dis” in “Not Alike”.
Didnt Eminem actually name him in the line right before that?
Em does sneak diss, though, doesn't he?
"If you wanna come at me with a sub, Machine Gun
And I'm talkin' to you but you already know who the fuck you are, Kelly
I don't use sublims and sure as fuck don't sneak-diss
But keep commentin' on my daughter Hailie" went and looked it up he does infact name him in the song
@@InfuriousCoffee Yes, Eminem doesn’t “sneak diss” and mentioned MGK by name. Like I said before, MGK first dissed Eminem in “No Reason” but never mentioned Eminem by name.
@@InfuriousCoffee In that song - but there have been multiple songs since then, including at least 2 on MTBMB and another one recently.
One of the biggest reasons I can’t stand him (and a lot of the other big currently mainstream “pop punk” artists) is that every classic pop punk band I can think of were as relatable and coming from humble beginnings as you can imagine; a bunch of music nerds who came from nothing, and gradually became stars through hard work and the quality of their music. They weren’t pre-famous, as in, formerly a famous rapper, daughter of a big celebrity, former Disney Channel star, etc. This whole new scene, to me, seems like celebrities cosplaying as Pop Punk artists that will ditch the scene just as quickly as they cashed in on it.
Anyways, go support real modern pop punk bands like State Champs, Games We Play and JER.
State champs? Lol no man. Just no..
Ayyy State Champs is from my neck of the woods.
Listen to his early rap albums. The whole vibe and story to them is his struggles coming up.
rock and metal arent that much about tradition, more about freedom - you can be different, but you are also expected to respect others... you dont have to wear leather pants, have long hair, wear tattoos or drink beer... but you got to believe in the freedom it offers... also freedom to express one's emotions - you can be angry, sad, depressed, not just happy and smiling all around... and if you are being an asshole in general, you bet many metal fans will destroy you for that :D
This is the answer lol
After he gets rejected from enough genres, he’s gonna end up being the 3rd Island Boy
I think that his song "I think I'm okay" with Yungblud was really what steered him into playing rock instead of rap, this song was huge.
Love that song. Hate mgk tho
it's a great song but so is body bag and play this when i'm gone.
@@aly4488 my thoughts exactly. That song undeniably rips
@@aly4488 Why is that?
Naw he ran from EM
I love Slipknot, but Corey Taylor is such a boomer dude, it makes it harder to respect someone who's just made of piss and vinegar and constantly shits on anything that's new.
I feel like that’s always been Corey’s MO though. It was just more endearing to his fans when Slipknot was still breaking on to the scene.
to be fair to corey, MGK does everything wrong to get in the wrong foot of a genre whether its rap or rock
Precisely lol, also it’s so funny how he talked about the state of rock being stale and stuff in 2020, and then a couple months later released the most bland, generic, WWE-core dad rock album of all time
Success can go to anyone's head, and when your as big as Corey Taylor, makes sense that he would develop a swell head
I’m not too annoyed about him dissing MGK, but dissing on all new rock artists is lame-most likely he hasn’t listened to enough new music.
You said it perfectly... Being disrespectful towards his elders... Especially ones that made an enormous contribution to that genre of music and inspired lots of newer artists... Being a prick in general and pretending like he's better than everyone else... That shit belongs to rap... Not rock/heavy metal. Also, I don't personally like him because he didn't do anything new or revolutionary by going pop-punk. Sure, the songs are catchy and some of them are good, but honestly, he wouldn't be half as good if he didn't have Travis barker with him on drums.. Like... The dude is a straight up legend in the genre...
I see that guy now and all I can think is...he's gonna be the stepfather to 3 boys! Pray for those children.
To be fair do you think Blink would be who they are currently if Travis hadn't joined the band? Travis is a musical Genius. Everything he touches turns to pure gold and benjamins.
Honestly I was (and still am to a degree) in the camp that it was good he started making rock songs just to bring it back into the spotlight again. Never thought of him much before that 2020 album came out. But really it's Travis Barker who is the main driver of that whole movement. MGK is just a cog in that machine
I feel like MGK made waves in the radio world but Travis Barker has been doing the "rising tides raise all ships" thing. He has worked with smaller artists, while MGK is making casual music listeners aware of rock again. I heard a ton of MGK on my local mainstream radio stations but not anything with Travis Barker. But my TH-cam feed is filled with Travis's features.
As a lot of others artists who are embraced by rock comunity like kenny hoopla
@@nicolasgarcia2690 agreed. Kennyhoopla looks like the only artist in the mix who is embraced by both the modern pop punk scene and the new wave pop punk scene.
Poppy
@TheGhostWithin its up to him to take the lead and the success of mgk helps him too to receive more atention
'So he's a poser, and he sucks, and I hate him'.
One of the most common 'arguments' on the internet about basically... everything.
You nailed it there, Finn.
This mentality predates the internet.
@@Moshington agreed. "1, 2, 3, 4 who's punk, what's the score?"
This almost reminds me of the 2003 Avril Lavigne days....good times.
Yes perhaps. But there is a difference with someone/band that started out in normal life from the ground up as what some would call a poser (or poser taste), compared to someone that literally hung up one costume and put on another costume/sound that was created by a committee with absolutely zero intention for sonic originality.
@@Garglemymayo I would argue that Avril is now an actual poser. Her new music seems extremely forced, while back in the day she was basically Alanis Morissette with some pop punk sprinkled here and there.
The same people who hate on MGK also hated on BMTH when they went from Deathcore to Metalcore and then again into Mainstream Rock. He has always had rock influence in his music and didn't "Change genres because Eminem killed his game lol". He had M Shadows from A7X on his first major release. He has had guitars on his records. Travis performed on his 2019 album Hotel Diablo, where he also has a tribute song to Chester Bennington of LP. He's had a live band on stage for years, so it is just him doing something people in his genre are too scared to do and did it first. The whole current explosion of Emo and Pop-Punk revival mixed with hiphop (jXdn, kennyhoopla, Avril's comeback etc.) is because MGK went #1 with Tickets to My Downfall. And even that record has hip-hop influences on it like electronic drums, guest rap choruses, and the way that some of the drumbeats and production are approached. Facts are facts. Love him or hate him he's doing what all of us wish we could do, and that's make a full time career of music.
Well said
Yeah but he still sucks ass I wish it was someone else doing what he’s doing
I dont hate MGK I just wish I could live my life without ever seeing his face or hearing his music..
MGK is the one guy that starts a fight that he can’t finish
My girlfriend was a huge fan of his pop punk album until I played the new Turnstile album around her, now I hear less mgk and more turnstile, that's a punk band that really deserves attention, especially that latest album
Turnstiles the best band
@@nedkuczmynda3236 facts!
@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me then you are lost
A man of culture I see
This is God Tier boyfriending
Mgk was never accepted into Rap and it seems like the same from Rock. Not saying its not partly his fault, but it has made him create his own independent cult following, and they support him no matter what he does. I can respect it!
And I think by not being a part of the rap OR the rock scene, what he and Travis did was create a niche in the music landscape, and other rappers and solo artists are being welcomed in to become a part of that niche (via Travis Barker), which is why so many rappers are starting the jump to alt/rock. He started his own scene basically.
Idk how you can see he was never accepted into rap music. He definitely was and got credit from many old school rappers. The dude has a song with DMX even.
u call them 12 year old drug kids
@@Masked_SVincent I actually liked his rap music. He had alot of bangers. 🤷♀️
He was definetely a respected rap artist until the Eminem beef, in my opinion he just aimed too high not realising what he is doing to his career.
His Album is a top rock album. Here we are in 2022 complaining about how he carries himself. When the early and 80 and 90s rockers were way worse. #softassrockers
Exactly. Actually both of his rock albums went number one. Just seen him live and dude has talent idgaf what anybody says. See him live and then come back. He’s killing it.
@TTFPouyi let them laugh. Dude is at the top. Where are they?
Honestly this whole MGK thing and the way his "pop punk"/"rock" album kinda kickstarted the "feat. Travis Barker" thing makes me incredibly mad and it's disheartening. I love blink-182 and dude is a legend, but every other week you have a new song or album with his name attached and the production feels so watered down and doesn't have a single trace of a soul in it. I used to get excited bout songs with his name attached and now I'm like oh another one and it's the same thing over and over again with the same like 5 artists that are featured on each others songs. The problem I have isn't that it's been done before or sounds like a blink-182 rip off, the thing that bugs me is that it doesn't feel authentic and genuine to me
I'm genuenly interested: what exactly makes it feel not authentic for you?
@@Koziiip surface level music as hell, fake blaccent, overly cocky
@@Koziiip and the guy didn't really make a whole lot of rock music at all. So him making an entire album of watered down blink 182 and calling himself king of rock does not feel genuine
Anyone who said they were a “super-heavy punker” was definitely a hot topic hanging poser that owned a skateboard.
Super heavy punkers live a much different life.
You were the real official deal though bro
@@Dru_Won yeah bro he’s never stepped FOOT in a hot topic .. HE FUCKIN HARDCORE BRO.
Who said super heavy punker??
@@Gottacacheemalll Nobody"punk" ever said that ... Only poser's talk like that. I bet the guy can't projectile vomited on demand.
This is easily the best summation I have heard anyone make of the MGK phenomenon. I think you are 100% spot-on with the values and norms angle. But you also did the homework to know what so many don't realize, which is his longstanding connection to rock music. You were right to point out the SWS connection, but it's worth noting even further that the very first track on his first album (on Bad Boy Records of all labels) features Avenged Sevenfold. Crazy.
Performed Papercut with Linkin Park in their Remembering Chester show, and he's always said he's had rock roots, I think
Dude... wtf.
avenged sevenfold, you're for real?
@@Mazdatree th-cam.com/video/F2n6jc-kU_0/w-d-xo.html
It's funny because the rock story is usually something like "I gave up everything in my life, even became homeless, to pursue this dream of being in a successful rock band. My band mates and I couch-surfed for years until we were finally signed"
And the rap music attitude is more like either flaunting riches, success, and fame, or even PRETENDING to have those things until you finally do. It's like humility and sacrifice vs showing off and flaunting.
..probably why I've always loved rock.. the humility of it.
Agreed. The people at the top nowadays are the types who will do whatever it takes to get rich and famous - including switching genres and insulting people with more talent than them.
Every genera has their commercial shit and less known genius artists. Rap is rhyming prose that was born from internal thoughts and feelings that need to get talked out. Try diving deeper and you'll find many artists that will speak to you.
Bring me the horizon are the ones saving rock
maybe 2013 but not anymore they’re not
You are absolutely right 👍🏻👍🏻
Their music is a bit edgy
I like Bring Me The Horizon but there were no longer want to be rock band their genre was diverse not only it has rock it has pop, hiphop and etc. the only thing that make all of their song similar is that all of them were Edgy and Alternative.
@@johntedeschi2379 They just played rock version of Bad Habits with Ed Sheeran, but okay
Honestly you’re the person who put me on to MGK’s pop punk stuff in the first place. And I do like his music, and find his relationship with Megan Fox amusing. But as a person… yeah, he’s kind of a douche. But he’s a douche that makes alright music, that I can vibe with, and gives me nostalgia. I’m more a casual fan. But uh, yeahhh, what he said about Haley, and other young girls definitely rubs me the wrong way.
Its the type of music you bop your head to and get a bit nostalgic for, but then never listen to it again cause there is no reason to. His music to me at least has no substance and no replay value,except if you like mindless music like he makes.
Just realize that he said those things 10 years ago, and in most cases, they are a few tweets, and one dumb interview where he was talking like he had a chance with Kendall Jenner even though he was literally nobody at the time. He's grown and matured. He does come off as a douche in that he doesn't care what people think about him - I can see why people would interpret it that way, and he's the type of artist that is easier to appreciate the more you know about him. But that's my opinion. Glad you're enjoying the music.
@@aleksastamenkovic5526 The instrumentals may be mindless, but songs like lonely, play this when I'm gone, nothing inside, etc. are not mindless. They're talking about very real pain and issues in his life. The more popular songs are a little more mindless, I guess in some respects, but that's not because of him - that's because they're what people listen to over and over.
@@ShellyMS19xx Well yeah im talking about the more mainstream stuff. Im not saying his entire catalog is just mindless songs.
@@aleksastamenkovic5526 But that's not on him - that's because people like mindless stuff and keep buying it and listening to it. Bad Things just gained another Platinum plaque 6 years later so people are still listening to it.
Machine Gun Kelly is the Vanilla Ice of the rock world. Prove me wrong!!!
@Retared Rootbeer. Vanilla Ice is so much better, he even put out a couple Nu-Metal albums. MGK is the Justin Bieber of the “Rock” world.
That's an insult to Vanilla Ice
Yup, with a little Chad Kroeger (Nickelback) thrown in there.
If Suge Knight hadn't have hung Vanilla Ice upside down off a hotel balcony I think Ice would've changed hip hop before EM came along. Ice ran from hip hop too soon because of Suge. People say EM brought rap to the mainstream but Ice did it first
@@nu-metalfan2654 true definitely true
Of course it's not mainly about his music, it's more about him and the way he acts, the way he thinks he is the best thing in the music industry right now, like you said if someone else put out his album word for word it might be loved by the hard-core music fans, but again it's the way he is, that's all, it's not some complex issues it's just him and his attitude.
He’s like 80s hair metal revivalist disguised as pop punk. His whole persona is all in on the indulgent rockstar lifestyle which is in direct contrast with anything that shares any roots with hardcore.
I hate MGK number one, I loved him as a rapper. I waited 3 hours at his concert for him to come on and he performed for 30 mins. Literal bullshit in my opinion. He’s a follower, there’s nothing creative or original about him. Honestly and people get so upset I compare him to him, but Ghostemane did the genre hopping flawlessly and he’s way more talented then MGK could ever dream of being. Rant over.
MGK isn’t even a fraction of the level of creative that Ghostemane is. Their musical influences speak for themselves
@@thomashatter it’s so true!!!!
I wanna see someone like Ronnie Radke go into hip hop and see how it's received. Ghostemane apparently started out in black metal in his youth and doesn't seem to be doing badly (love some of the samples in his tracks). Is the rap community more accepting of this type of crossover?
Dude, I’ll bet he’d get the same hate Kells has, but in reverse.
Ronnie Radke actually did with his solo project he just never made it big in that scene
@@dylanphillips5455 I mean if you wanna get technical, Falling in Reverse is Ronnie Radke’s solo project.
It really depends on what you do. Mike Shinoda the rapper in Linking Park had a rap album I believe.
@@awsomeboy360 he had Fort Minor which I liked when it came about. And that track with the x-ecutioners was pretty dope
You hit the nail on the head w this breakdown of why I don’t like him. Good job
The album would've been pretty good but the constant use of autotune makes it seem more pop than rock. It's a shame because it's not needed and gives the record an inherent fakeness.
It's just sound design. It is probably a selling point nowadays.
@@casmiry But it's overdone at this point and if rock wants to be considered "edgy" again it should avoid it.
Great to hear such a nuanced explanation. Here's my two cents. I grew up in India and went to a boarding school with a massive rock culture so completely understand the cultural paradigm. Green Day was actually my gateway band into rock and everyone around me hated them so I understand the feeling. There's a generational shift here though. I don't think Gen Z really care about the disparate cultures anymore. I understand Slipknot acquiring legendary status but they haven't been mainstream relevant for years and it's something that a lot of us wanted. I'm so sick of listening to the same rap by 17 different new people every month. MGK is a douche but maybe that's the kind of mainstream attention rock music needs. A little controversy goes a long way. I don't think he's going to be the godfather of this new wave of pop punk but he's a start. Hopefully, better acts will follow that are more inclusive, less controversial, and with more meaningful lyrics. We could get back to the 00s with all those great bands but with a different cultural and generational attitude for the 2020s!
Well said!
@@ThePunkRockMBA Just found the best take on metalheads and MGK and his beef with Corey Taylor.
th-cam.com/video/zFlosJZ_w0U/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=RockFeed
Maybe make a video about metalheads vs MGK🤣
Stopped reading when you said India
Im a Gen Z, from 2004 and I have to say we do care about norms and values and scenes. Blink was my gateway band and I’ve been educating myself and I now love Screeching Weasel. Some of us do care about our favourite genre’s history and I personally hate MGKs guts.
@@gianninaruiz7436 all that being said,lemme just add,'he don't even care about you either'
That was a great video and a great point of view as it can explain why MGK is hated by the rock crowd while a guy like Post Malone is being embraced (just look at the way his Nirvana tribute concert went and is still talked about). Post is someone that can have one foot in each genre. He walks that fine line gracefully. MGK not so much.
Post actually respects and pays tribute to those who have paved the way for him in rock, unlike MGK.
Also Post seems genuine
Yeah I don’t like post Malone but I prefer him over mgk 100 percent
Honestly, I'm not a fan of Post Malone's, but he's just a straightforward guy so it's hard to hate on him. He's not LARP'ing. MGK has been copying other people his entire career regardless of genre and pretending like he is the one setting trends.
Yeah, Finn always drops banger videos love his channel and the community here.
Think that is also of the main difference between rock and rap… rap fans look up to people they want to be like, while rock fans look up to those that are them. Rap is more about image while rock is about being authentic.
06:02 “If he’s a clone of Blink, and you like Blink and the other Blink clones… Why don’t you like his music?”
This is something that gets terribly overlooked when discussing MGK’s cross over to Pop-Punk, and it’s the reason I don’t like it… It's actually not good. Regardless of who made it. It sounds like every 14 year olds first pop-punk release just with 100 times better production… It’s not a ‘Blink Clone’. It’s simply the most basic elements of pop-punk done without any personality. It’s like A.I created pop punk songs, featuring Travis Barker (which is a release I wouldn’t be surprised to see in 2022). You have to remember that we are over two decades removed from “What’s My Age Again” and “First Date”. Blink had moved on from that to the likes of “Asthenia” and “Not Now” in such a short time (with the BCR album in between), and the impact that Blinks ‘Maturity’ had on the genre is immeasurable. Pop-Punk evolved so much over the last twenty years that even the Blink Clones that existed pre ‘Travis Barker-Core’ had moved beyond your basic C, G, Am, F and trite lyrics that make up the entirety of ‘Downfall’.
If ‘Downfall’ was released by ANY other artist, it would still be among my most disliked pop-punk albums because he added NOTHING to the genre except dumb facial expressions and a few tabloid headlines. And the same goes for almost all the other ‘Barker-Core’ acts. The simplicity and, frankly, setting-back of the genre by 20 years shouldn’t be overlooked because the one guy in the big band from the 'golden age' who didn’t write the music or lyrics is whore-ing himself out to these guys. Travis drumming on sub-par pop-punk songs doesn’t lend them an air of authenticity, I’m sorry. It just makes sure that bad songs have good drums.
17:35 “The way he carries himself is much more like a rapper than it is a Rock Artist”
I think he carries himself like he’s unaware that Nirvana are about to come along and render him irrelevant. He was in ‘The Dirt’ and is friends with Tommy Lee… The 80s Hair scene was all about being the Alpha, having status and not wearing comfortable clothing, and Rock hasn't been in any way like that since people realised you could be a rock star while wearing ripped jeans and a check shirt back in '91. He’s trying to perpetuate the ‘sex, drugs, rock n roll’ attitude in a post me-too, social media ran world. I wouldn’t say he’s ‘outside the culture’ because of he acts like a rapper… I’d say he’s ‘outside the culture’ because that caricature of a “self centred, narcissistic, loudmouth” Rock Star was laughable even before MGK was born and he seems to be completely unaware of that.
Personally, I really liked tickets to my downfall. It was a refreshing bit of average grade pop punk in a hip hop/rap crazed time. Then papercuts and his song with Kellin Quinn was pretty good too. But the new one with willow smith?? Nope it’s way cringe lol
Same, that new song wasn’t it, but papercuts and the 2020 album were amazing
@klijakuarikki huh? What are u talking about?
The most impressive thing about his career is his hair transplant
You always nail a very respectful socio-cultural commentary, even though you and I are likely to not agree on a lot personally. I think you have a great understanding and way of articulating class and subcultures in the context of liberal capitalism.
Thank you!
ah yes now i remember the golden rule in rock and roll of respecting your elders..
Man, I really appreciate how you broke this down intelligently. You compared the cultures, values & general scenes themselves & pointed out the psychology of them both. Well done sir!
fuck yea. this dude is smart
Lmao dudes a hard core rapper n punk musician, has a bad bitch, but literally everything he where's looks...um... feminine? I guess to put it nicely...
Gaye lol
So? What does what you wear have to do with anything?
You're really giving him some credit calling him a musician but he definitely isn't punk rock
Man, I’m glad we have this particular comment thread so we all clearly know what different artists can and can’t wear and what is really punk or not. I honestly have no idea how on earth the music world has functioned for so long without you all to gatekeep and make sure everything stays in its own lane. I know there’s probably 500 different other comments that say basically the same shit, but I consider myself #blessed that I was lucky enough to find you folks who put it all so clearly and without any confusion or hesitation. Finn, can we get a highlight here so everyone else can do masterfully have the scales wiped from their eyes??
And no, I’m not on MGK’s nuts. Bro has made barely a handful of songs that I enjoy but even most of those are quality in my eyes more due to who he was collaborating with at the time rather than his own talent. Plus I don’t buy for a minute that the different creeper shit dude has said throughout the years was just him trying to be “edgy”.
MGK is a corny try hard
Me personally, I never really got fully into pop punk, but when I see this guy act like he's king of the world and put out music ripped right out of 20 years ago, I just want him to be utterly trashed
Agreed
totally my guy he is so annoying tbh
"Act like he's king of the world"
I must've missed that part. Envy really puts the excuse blinders on for yall cause boy do I have some news for you on the personalities of damn near every band to exist.
@@luisalgarin7071 I mean you have a point, but you have to admit he's pretty full of himself. And that's amplified by the amount of media coverage he gets just by opening his mouth
"I mean you have a point" then goes back in to the psychosis like I didn't just say what I said. People.
MGK and Corey both cringe and annoying af disregarding their music
you said it best
Yup 100 percent
I sooooooo much agree and had that as my own thought for a few years. His music is very similar to blink-182 (duuh, Travis Barker), they are a great band that were very big at their time, currently most pop deviates to hip-hop, soooo wether it be MGK or someone else, as long as pop punk is getting more relevant and new artists start to progress in that direction, best of luck to MGK keeping that vibe going then
I'm an MGK fan and would agree he held the L on the Em beef and his latest single is ass and uninspired I was very disappointed in the weak lyrics and same ol same ol pop punk music structure. I actually liked the lyrics in a few of his songs from Tickets to My Downfall and loved the album but he's just so damn full of himself and can't take criticism.
340 million views on TH-cam, 172 million views on Spotify and a diss track response from Eminem, creating tons of publicity and name recognition. It's definitely not an L, and I would say Killshot by Eminem is the better diss but Rap Devil is an infinitely better song.
I'd say I'm an MGK fan too, and I actually really like how he riles up all of the "old school", close-minded rockers. I don't love ALL of his songs, but he has a few that I have on constant rotation on my playlist.
I honestly think he could be kinda trolling people w this new single. I mean a Collab with willow fucking Smith on a song called "emo girl" with the most basic lyrics and structure possible? Him and Barker knew damn well how many people would be talking shit and saying they hate it. But his fanbase sticks with him and a song like that still attracts more young kids.
But I wouldn't be surprised if his new album is better than Downfall
I mean it’s kinda hard to take criticism when the first somebody does is diss you. If Corey wanted to give him advice he should’ve been mature about it. Instead he’s acting like a butt hurt child because Mgk dissed back after he was rude first. I can’t think of a single person who’s going to take advice after you talk shit or make fun of them. I know I sure as hell wouldn’t (because why would I if the first thing you did was insult me?) If you’re gonna teach then fucking teach.
When didn’t he take the criticism, just curious. Because as I remember he acknowledged that some fans don’t like his evolution and his new music. He said he reads the comments and very much aware of it and it hurts his feelings but he respect it because It makes him better and would appreciate if people give him the chance to do what he wants thou
I don’t know Mgk as a person so I can’t really judge him, but as far as his public persona goes, act like an asshole = get treated like an asshole.
"I think rap music is the only vital form of music that has been introduced to music in a long time since punk rock." -- (Kurt Cobain).....traditional punk and rap had a ton of crossover and shared cultural dispositions. The commercialization is what made them distinct, and tribal. Industry has implemented separation in music for generations. Look how they tried to cut the connection between country and blues.
That was a certain brand of rap music he was speaking about in the 90s and early 2000s. Rap has completely downgraded thanks to mainstream and just too much populariization for it's own good over the years.
I don't mind MGK. He's actually super talented.
MGK is a complicated character and a polarizing one
As Ronnie from Falling in Reverse (to a degree)
He admits as well that he's flawed, depressed, anxious ... I will always prefer somebody that is trying to do better than someone with no problems
(No shame to anyone)
And as a rock fan I believe that people are just not willing to give it a chance because it is MGK
100% agree
Hard agree
That makes sense to me, so many people in the genre act the same way he does yet they hardy receive any criticism. Its simply just the fans not wanting an outsider in the genre. Something very hypocritical if you ask me
I was totally fine with him until he started talking shit on the OGs and saying he was the King of Rock. Imagine some new rapper shit talking 2pac and Biggie and proclaiming he’s the new king of rap with literally one kind of okay rap album under his belt.
@@davidpilger4136 i hope you do not mean Corey Taylor .... Because he spends himself is all career talking shit about other artists from every genre
I'm not a fan of MGK but I just believe rock should stop being so touchy about everything
Like artist can't criticize and talk shit about each other
The OG were having a banter without taking themselves too seriously but now they got so dramatic over everything
This video is perfect. As an MGK fan, I completely understand why people hate on him. I mean, he doesn’t have a “likeable” personality nor is interested in faking one. He’s not humble and has this kinda attitude that comes off as annoying if you really don’t know him for some time now. I’m happy for his success and love the way that you pointed out he didn’t change genres and his music isn’t as bad as ppl say. I mean you don’t have to like him, but the man is in fact talented and successful, if you think he’s not just because you don’t like him please don’t lie to yourself like that. He needs to work on that personality tho, otherwise it can seriously destroy everything he’s been working for. He’s charismatic and versatile, but that will never pay off as it should if he doesn’t fix that attitude and learn how properly interact with the public, at the end of the day it’s the people that decides how long he’ll be relevant.
The dude likes kids man that's one of the bigger reasons people don't like this dude
Trivium is the band you see a perfect example of how to stay relevant for a long time.
Incredibly accurate and well said A+
MGK is just the topic of the day. And the "he makes comments about underage girls" thing is not why most didn't like him. Most were probably unaware, if they're honest. Also, there are rock legends who are granddad age who have been caught "grooming" underage girls. Won't say names, but there were fly by stories no one was enraged about. Every rock fan I've heard speak on him just say "he's a poser" aka he got into it with Corey Taylor.
@@XclusionZone hmm I can think of several rock/metal stars that have been, but nobody wants to call them out.
*MGK listens to “I Love Rock n Roll” once*
MGK: I am Rock n Roll
From him to talk shit about metal legends out of nowhere goes to show what his personality is like. He's been here FIVE MINUTES compared to Slipknot, who have been on the face of the earth rocking away for over 20 years.
I agree with what you said about Ticket's To My Downfall. It's not groundbreaking or original, but it's not bad either. It's very generic and the first 5 songs literally sound the same (I listened to it whilst running and I couldn't tell when one song ended and the next began) but that doesn't make it bad. I think people just don't like him as a person, or expect that if you're gonna switch genres then your debut in said new genre has to be AMAZING. For a first effort, it isn't bad whatsoever. In fact there's some generally good songs on there.
Lmao I disagree
He music sucks for rap and for rock
@@TheSuperdodo7 And nobody is arguing about what your opinion is - but as long as nobody came along and said you get to decide what sucks for all of society - it's just your opinion. Many people think otherwise.
To me, the second and third songs sound similar but the rest are pretty distinct if you've listened to the album more than a few times.
It went number one. What else was he supposed to do lol?
MGK will forever be a style biter to me. And instead of humbling himself and giving shout outs to the artists that put the trap punk sound on the map, he pretends like he's original. he's not.
There are those who respect him because of his success, and those who let the art be the driving force. I'm certainly not one to be a fan simply for how deep they lined their pocket.
That ain't punk
If people knew what Punk is, they would laugh at the idea of Pop Punk that came in the 2000s. It is always more POP then actually Punk, the reason it is called punk is because Punk use simple straight forward riff, with power cords and even at that, it is difficult to even compete with the more popular stuff from the 70s which actually did have an edge to it, 2000 up always sounded off to me, both artistically and creative, but how much substance can we get from Middle-Class High-Schooler's that have literally no experience to speak of? So it is understandable.
His entire persona is from lil peep anyway
@@birdsteak9267 punk energy can always be felt, even in the newer sounds. I guess it comes from an appreciation to older sounds also, but for the impression that it gave young artists. For me it means taking a risk in doing what you love without influence of opinion. It's pure high chaotic energy that isn't watered down for easy consumption. Which is what the 2000s mostly was, sadly. I think media has strayed from the mainstream to where you can now find new and talented artists every day. When people ask me what artists I listen to, they'll never know who I'm talking about lol
Finally someone acknowledges that corey started it. I definitely think both of them need to just get over it but all these sites pretending mgk was unprovoked is definitely making the beef a bigger deal than it should be
actually mgk started it all because he got but hurt that Corey didn't want to be on his song because mgk wanted Corey to say what mgk wanted and he politely was like no this isn't my cup of tea in a way and best wishes
@@ToroKnight1665 actually no corey talked shit in an interview way before that
@@matthewcarpenter6202 so I did go back and look the the time line and yea Corey did start it but also he admitted he is pretty much say he is the grumpy old guy and knowing who slipknot is has a insane fan base probably would have been to ignore
@@ToroKnight1665 you're not wrong but what a lot of people forget is mgk came the hood n has that hood mentality so he was never gonna ignore that cuz in the hood ignoring that would ruin his rep
@@matthewcarpenter6202 yea very true but cocky and arrogant is never a good look
MGK attacking Eminem and his daughter is an automatic cancel for me 😎
Since before he was signed by Diddy, with videos of him performing live which included playing the guitar, mashed with his in your face personality, I was honestly surprised it took him so long to do the punk rock cause that was the vibe he always gave off. I like all types of music and thought that he was a punk with rapping skills. So while his personality is a bit crazy and grating, him making rock or punk rock, at least to me is not a surprise and looks more natural for him than rap just because of his personality. He didn't have to change genres, he put out rap after Hotel Diablo (That album sucked) that sounded better than Diablo. AS far as the beef, Corey Taylor completely started that sounding like the old man on the lawn. Dude might be punk but he come from the rap game so someone claps, you clap back. Don't really understand the butthurt over it. Corey Taylor took a clear shot at him and wasn't exactly respectful. You get what you give.
You have some valid points. I agree with a lot of what you said. He even mentioned Kurt Cobain in his Wild Boy song. People just don't pay close attention to details. MGK's transition makes sense to me. He also has an anarchy symbol tattooed on his body lol. Punk is an attitude. MGK is punk by attitude.
Given what corey taylor put on twitter about the way corey was asked to be on the album. Travis barker was sent in as the middle man because MGK didn't wanna ask himself then continues to reject what corey did then try to ghostwrite for corey to make him sing MGK's verse. Probably more things were said and done behind the scenes that brung that beef to light we just don't know about it. MGK not all that bad tho he just rude at times which rubs people the wrong way like what he did on the BET red carpet.
Nah. MGK went after both em and corey taylor first. You don't go into the rap scene and diss someone as respected as eminem, and you don't go into the rock scene and diss someone like corey taylor. He was just salty that corey didn't want to do a feature on his song, and once you start beef with corey taylor, he isn't exactly going to be nice. Don't get me wrong, MGK has so much musical potential - i loved Lace Up because M shadows from a7x was on there. But you can't be so arrogant to respected members of the scene and expect to get away with it. In the last few years MGK has lost a lot of credibility in the music scene. doesn't matter what he comes out with, people will only see a disrespectful c*nt in him until he turns around his damn attitude.
@@AscensionUSA I agree MGK tired to son Corey Taylor by writing a verse for him and rejecting the original verse he sent MGK corey taylor heard it and said no cause it was trash to him. I cant even imagine corey on tickets to my downfall weird feature. As for the eminem beef as a fan of eminem the one thing I know is that he loves his daughter and MGK crossed the line so you get the smoke from em.
@@samanthadavis2892 yeah. You dont go after eminems daughter, thats just asking for it lol
At first glance I was all for MGK and then after seeing his metamorphosis in the last year. My opinion changed so much about him. I disliked the whole media circus he creates and his agrumentive nature.
We never saw AFI beefing with Offspring even NOFX doesn't beef with bands. Imagine if Anti-Flag beefed with Rise Against? I feel as if he's trying to deconstruct rock and to create this new sub genre that enjoys the creation of publicity by creating drama.
Agreed. He also Carries the savior complex. He didn’t save rock he just has a popular name so more people would get access to his music easier.
Basically, he brought hollywood bullshit drama to rock again?
But we had nofx beef with kings of stone age
@FlagrantDefiance ok but slipknot and mgk as well arent from the same genre and look how ppl reacted
Ok...if people(the media and you) follow and blow up every little thing I do then how tf is that my fault? 😂 i dont think any of you actually hear/see yourselves when you critique things.
He intentionally picks fights with people just to get attention. Most people don't like people like that. XD
Good
He sucks anyway
But as far as I know the Rap Industry does not respect MGK at all since the Em beef. He did do a lot of damage.
We've gone a long way with people calling Slipknot legends when in 00s people were calling them nu-metal trash and derivative with a stolen gimmick
Actually, the "beard is weird" comment was a reference to a line from one of Eminem's songs where he said "Can't leave rap alone, the game needs me
'Til we grow beards, get weird and disappear."
So basically he was implying it's time to disappear. Pretty clever, honestly, but he definitely lost the battle. "Kill Shot" was a surgical dissection of "Rap Devil" and MGK as a whole.
Em did rebuttal really well but that's all he really did was rebuttal and flip lines piggy backing off of mgk. Didn't really bring any new points to the argument where mgk did say things that made us question his credibility like calling his label asking for a public apology which is kind of hypocritical considering the amount of people hes made fun of over the years even under age girls. Overall I think it was good for both parties and mgk is more relevant then other dispite what people would like you to think about his career dying
Not that I listen to MGK but I find it annoying that today's Rock audience is so fixated on tradition.
Every single legacy/legend band broke tradition back then. We all know them because they innovated in some way, shape or form.
Example:
80's hair rock/metal, where's the tradition there? It was the complete opposite of whatever was going on in the 70s.
When did we become a bunch of stuck-ups?
Every subculture has it rules so fuck all of them
When the artists themselves became stuck ups.
That's part of why rock is fading away. Trying to stick to the old ways of doing things doesn't work in the era of the Internet. Rock culture needs to evolve. It's stuck.
I noticed the issue between MGK and the rock scene is about respect and seniority. He thinks he is the king of rock when he makes medium to crappy pop punk music. MGK has criticized how Corey dresses and his talent. You wouldn't say that to Céline Dion, why to Corey? It makes it way more disrespectful coming from some greasy creep who has half a braincell. If you are going to criticize one of our best, at least be more talented than them (or in the ballpark at minimum).
I'm actually very happy he's making punk music now, one of my favorite artists atm, can't wait for his album to drop
He's making pop punk and no pop punk is not punk
Same
@@kitsodube9322 Punk is literally in the name. Pop punk is a punk/rock subgenre…
@@kingexclusivo lmao no, just because "punk" is in the the name of that sub genre doesn't mean it's punk. Emo was originally a subgenre of punk but it evolved to something else, some would argue it evolved to pop punk. Same with Gothic metal, it's not goth. Metalheads would call you a poser for calling trap metal a subgenre of metal. I wouldn't ofc because idc. All these genres evolve to something new which lose the identity they originally came from. Listen to Dead Kennedys or Poison Girls and compare them to Green Day(not sure if they're pop punk) or My chemical Romance or a song by MGK "emo girl".
@@kitsodube9322 oh so it’s called pop punk but it’s actually country. Gotcha!
This is so funny to me. Rock was always about being different, not giving a fuck and being rebellious against the generation of their parents etc.
Now you have an artist who doesn't give a shit people dislike him for being different.
Rock is like: dare to be different
Also Rock: oh no! Not that kind of different. You have to be more like us.
An older video was abute entertainment in Rock music.
MGK doesn't influence my life or something like that, but he entertains me from time to time. No more no less.
These older tweets are pretty disturbing though.
Just to clarify for you, the reason Em wrote that part in Not Alike is mostly because MGK had been sneak dissing Em for years, one example being the song with MGK and Tech Nine, and there were a couple others. The tweet thing happened way way in the past.
Lmfao who cares and no shit he says it in the song
Sneak disses?
@@ergoth154 he only said that literally cause Eminem said it in the song he didn't come up with that on his own
Yeah came to mention the subliminal dis as well b
Yeah apparently he didn't find out about it until 2 years later when Marshall saw it in a TH-cam video.
He's the Axyl Rose of our generation.
My stance on MGK: I hate that he makes great pop punk. Like why did it have to be him? Why did he have to be the one that revived pop punk? Lol he’s so unlikeable from every angle but he did what he did
That's the thing though, he didn't revive it, pop punk has never stopped it just wasn't mainstream. The people that care about the genre have other bands they listen to, so he isn't really that relevant to people inside the culture, he just makes pop punk for people that don't really listen to pop punk.
@@jebe5914 Of course pop punk never stopped. No genre ever comes to a halt. There are still people making 80s hair metal and 60/70s disco. But that doesn't mean they aren't effectively "dead" to the majority of music consumers.
I've been listening to pop punk for nearly all 27 years of my life. I've been listening through the highs and lows. I think it's a big disingenuous to say pop punk wasn't dead since the early 2010s. Of course you had great acts. But normies didn't listen to them. The radio didn't play them. Hell, man overboard's logo was "defend pop punk".
Personally, I think the revival has more to do with Travis Barker and the emo rap scene like Lil Peep, X, and Juice WRLD, than MGK. But he really was the one that finally said, we're gunna go all in on early 2000s pop punk with minimal trap elements.
MGK fits perfectly right into pop punk with all the times he's hit on underage girls...
Never seen that joke before…
@@WinedandDined27 I'm not joking, it's a genuine rampant issue in pop punk/hardcore and mgk just so happens to fit the mold
@@ryb0nez my point is that that exact comment is ubiquitous everywhere.
Lmao nice joke
"Beef is not a part of [rock] culture."
[sad Axl Rose noises]
Yeah but people still give Axl a ton of shit, plus he’s just a more talented singer and songwriter then MGK.
Because......look at the thumbnail
MGK has always been into punk.
Yup. Check out the Nardwuar interview for example (where he seems likeable af btw)
I think you really nailed it. Again.
In my case, I was never convinced he was "part of the culture" or that he really cared about rock music at all. The example that comes to mind is his cover of Misery Business. It was very... phoned in. It was a song that he knew everyone knows and that would be an easy click, but it sounded like some exhausted dude at a karaoke bar. Then when TTMDF came out, I remember thinking the same thing. I wasn't expecting anything revolutionary, but I was expecting at least some real personality. It never really showed itself to me. Then the interviews and coverage started. I couldn't avoid him. He got annoying. Fast. At that point, I still wasn't a fan, but I at least respected that he was getting people into rock music. Even to the smallest degree. He got his fans to leave their comfort zone in a lot of cases, and I thought that was cool. But any of the respect I had went away when he started speaking on behalf of rock music and the scene in general. It felt like the new guy at work giving you advice on how to do your job a few days after he started. I was kind of just listening to him, thinking "who the fuck do you think you are?". I for the most part ignored him after that. Until Riot Fest. I was planning on at least catching his set, to see if maybe I was missing something. I was already going to see Slipknot a few days later, so I didn't mind missing them. MGK was not great. He didn't sound great, he had a shitty attitude, no one was really getting into it with him. Then the stupid "weird masks" thing happened. I felt the same way as i did when he spoke on behalf of the rock scene. This time it's the new guy at work telling the guy who's been there for 25 years how to do their job. I officially couldn't bring myself to even bother with him anymore. A lot of people there felt the same way. I eneded up catching the 2nd half of Slipknot. Now with this whole beef and the constant lack of self-awareness, I'm just more sad than anything else. He should be doing damage control, but instead he and Corey are just fanning the dumpster fire that is the beef. As of now, I just hope that the new generation of rock fans MGK brought in doesn't think that shit like this is normal or wanted and we don't see this happening more and more in the years to come. It would be a huge bummer.
But that's just my personal journey with him. Feel free to open a discussion with me. I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts.
Yep, I agree 100%
Well, you said it yourself, you have the mindset of an 50-year old boomer employee and don't like what the young people are doing. Idk in what degree he tried to represent the scene, I think it was more criticism.
The thing is, what do you know what is good or people like? This is not even work, where you have actual work experience. It is just music. But whatever, just saying.
@_denzoned_ I'm not sure if you understood the comment I made. I was not saying that he was bad for making his album. It just wasn't my cup of tea. More my point was that he was telling people who have been making a living from rock music for far longer than him that their uniforms are incorrect and pretending like he's the savior for all of rock music. He was the new guy telling the veteran how to do their job.
He's also not a "young kid" nor is he doing anything too over the top innovative. So my opinion has nothing to do with "what the kids are doing". I actually listen to a lot of new music from artists who haven't been around since 2010, but are a lot younger. I'll say again that I'm stoked that he brought a new wave of rock fans, but I don't agree with the way he carries himself while he tries to be the face of new rock music. But go off.
Mgk is a shitty failed rapper he will never be a rockstar or rock he embarrassed the pop punk genre real rockstar Corey taylor spoke the truth and owned him like Eminem did
@@patricklosiniecki8503 just a quick correction, when mgk made the comment about the comfortable shoes, he was talking about his experience in warped tour where some bands didn’t even play life instruments and wore comfortable cloth which is not how he grew watching rock bands do. There is an interview back in 2012 when he was on the tour and said the same thing. He wasn’t talking about all rock bands or demanding anyone to wear a certain way. Also, the beef with Corey is stupid because Corey started the trash talk, why mgk has to shut up about it ? IT doesn’t make sense to me..
Great point about sharing certain values! MGK is not the first rapper who ventured into the rock area, Cypress Hill for example are generally liked within the rock & metal community. Ice-T also created the metal/hardcore group Body Count and never heard anyone shit on them (different degree of fame, I know).
A „punk rocker“, who makes advertising for a bank xD.
This is the USA..
Americans dont know how to - punk rock - you got capitalism in your veins..
The Exploited - Fuck the USA.
Dont matter what you listen to, don't matter what you did as a „punk Rocker“
You aint part of punk rock culture, you are simply not able to, MBA.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Tecumseh
I’ve been wondering about this for a while, about MGK specifically, and I appreciate that Finn broke it down in so much detail.
MGK is exactly the man he describes himself as. He throws himself at the project, and uses whatever his core judgments already are. He’s going to have to be there for a while before he’s respected for that.
Ended up working a MGK show in Laughlin awhile back. His whole set was an obnoxious amount of Hot Pink. Im talking lighting truss, drum riser, stage props, all of it covered in pink. Saw him walking around backstage with his arm around *not* megan fox too
Lol, "not Megan Fox" 😂
Was he by any chance pouring ice cream toppings into a 40 or hitting a building with a hammer?
MGK does do a lot of legitimate rock through his guitar, it's his physical attitude and his behavior that counts that people dislike.
I personally dont like MGK from being a Lil Peep fan. He seriously just died and MGK just took his whole style and persona to make money, he saw Peep was getting popular. he started as a rapper and then all of a sudden changed his entire discography after being cooked by Eminem. He is the most cringe mf I have ever heard and I can't stand him.
No, rock culture isn't about respecting tradition at all, it's about honesty.
-everyone hates mgk
-literally hate everything he ever produced until this new album
-become a fan
feels good to be a chad
It was always clear that MGK was a fan of punk music. He had Kellin Quinn sing the hook to Rise Against’s “Swing Life Away” on one of his hip-hop mixtapes way back, and if you watch his interview with Nardwuar, Nard gives him a signed Anti-Flag record and he gets super hype about it.
That was a terrible cover lol but yeah he's always been a fan of punk
@@issaacxxx6202 he wouldent know punk if it hit him in the face
Mgk is a fan of pop punk he wouldent know real punk
I bet anti flag would hate him now he knows like 1 song he’s a poser he wouldent know real punk
@@brandonlatus2218 They wouldn't hate him. He was on Warped Tour with them and went to every one of their shows. Why would they hate a fan? Oh, that's right, you just assume people hate because that's the only emotion you seem to be able to feel.
I like his music. Don't really know much about him or his history. Don't really care. It's about the music and he's got some great songs.