KOMAEDA VS OMA: Comparison & Analysis
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
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Timestamps:
Intro - 0:00
Featured comments - 0:24
Komaeda's ideology - 2:24
How Komaeda relates to DR2's theme - 5:11
Oma's ideology - 9:04
How Oma relates to DRV3's theme - 11:07
Characterization comparison - 13:22
Komaeda's final plan - 16:01
Oma's final plan - 17:20
Final plans comparison - 19:42
Conclusion - 21:19
Outro - 23:14
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Unstoppable Hope vs. Immovable Liar
KOKICHI DOES NOT LIE STOP
@@totallyrantaroamami651 as someone who loves kokichi so much, he 100% lies
Kokichi is an innocent angel and never lies 🤬/j
Immovable Liar!
@@totallyrantaroamami651 But Kokichi literally said he lies all the time .-.
"And so I found a bomb, tonight this island is Vietnam" vs "Miu, you don't need makeup, you need plastic surgery"
Best comment of the video right here
lol is that supposed to be a reference to heathers
@@scrabs4855 yes
Ah, yes a Heathers reference, my favorite
I wish kokichi said that to miu
Real reason why Byakuya wasn't included: He survived
Nagito survived too tho- ,at least in the real world
Byakuya is the “sane” one
@@Rainy_R lol
I feel like the fact that Byakuya wasn't included is that he isn't really a great example of antagonist. The most threatening things he did were messing up with Chihiro's body and taking Kirigiri's key. During a lot of the game he would just spend the time in the Library and didn't interact with many characters, really. Byakuya as an antagonist is a lot of bark but no bite. He never did anything that put everyone in absolute danger (even in the trial, he said that he would expose his actions if the others were going in the wrong direction.)
ps. I get the joke I just went off track thinking about it I guess-
@@KerberosV3 true
I honestly hate when people act like they’re the same person they’re so different. I love them both though
...hi swagito
@@kingserpentsea hey ‼️
@@sw4gito I changed my name and profile picture, I’m “whisper”. You know, the one with the Hu Tao profile picture?
@@kingserpentsea oh I remember you😧
yes i agree also hi agaim
Nagito: Finds a winning lottery ticket in the bag he is stuffed in
Nagito’s kidnapper: 😐😑😐
I feel so bad for chuckling..
Later:
News reporter: Good evening! Tonight we found a kidnapper who died from a car crash. When we checked in the car and found someone inside a bag. We opened it, and the boy that has been inside had found a lottery ticket along with other things such as a book about hope and first aid.
@@SingularPhasmid and a 4 lea- oh wait no a 3 LEAF CLOVER!! YEAH
Nagito is genuinely insane while Kokichi only pretends to be. Nagito severely lacks social perception, whereas Kokichi excels at it and often use it to his advantage. Nagito also wanted to 'start' the killing game by using his life and Kokichi wanted to use his life to end it.
Even though he didn't have to do that and could have easily just used Mius fancy inventions to take over the killing game and not put a target on his back, (especially when they have an assassin amongst them,) and just lived in peace in the academy
Also there is much more to Nagitos character, and his motive for killing at the end was actually one of the most selfless or just beneficial to the ENTIR WORLD
Honestly I would say that Nagito is a bit psychopathic while kokichi is more sociopathetic
@@user-wk9cm9ov2c not at all. did you *not* see him during the despair road tunnel, after rantaro’s dead, or after kaede’s execution, or after ryoma’s death, or kinda after kirumis execution, or after gonta’s execution, or before his own death? he has moments in the game where he expresses his true emotions, he’s just really good at hiding them, because he’s a liar. sociopaths don’t feel feelings at all. kokichi’s just good at hiding them.
@@jaxon1670 Lmao.... Sociopath's do feel something they just don't care about others feelings
I feel like Komeada is more of a anti-villain and Kokichi is more of a anti-hero at least how they are presented in both stories, with Nagito trying to kill them in the end while oma tried to end the killing game in trial five
That’s my two cents at least.
so kokichi is anti-hero for trying to end the killing game?
@@jayjayjay6152 yes, he had good intentions but very negative and questionable ways of getting what he wanted (aka manipulating gonta), so he would be classed as an anti-hero
@@yeliz6930 im not talking about that, im talking about what was written in the actual comment itself
@@jayjayjay6152 sorry about that!
@@yeliz6930 NO! THAT'S WRONG!
Manipulating Gonta isn't what makes Kokichi an Anti-Hero as that wasn't even part of the plan. He did that because he had to survive for his plan to work, and Miu was going to kill him. So he had no choice but to sacrifice Gonta.
Normal person: I have a terminal illness, I have better appreciate my final moments of life
Nagito Komaeda:
kaito momota:
@@user-wr6wh9it6b 💀
@@user-wr6wh9it6b laity lived his life well I feel.
and he died so beautifully I loved it! didn’t let junko/tsumugi under his skin!
edit: wtf is laity? I meant kaito I’m sorry
@@mrpenis3625 i loved it too actually
Honestly I feel like Nagito is just as realistic as Kokichi is, he’s just a lot harder to understand. I mean let’s go over all this: He canonically has frontal lobe dementia. (Props to the series for being specific about the type) the guys also in a whole tangled mess of trauma too, he almost died multiple times his parents actually died in a horrific vehicle crash, he’s had cancer in his immune system (which is why he was affected by the despair disease the most) hell, he’s the ultimate lucky student just to be alive at that point. In his eyes his luck, and hope are the only things he’s got left which is why he values them so much, and goes through all the insanity.
He's kinda like a one person cult in a way. It's interesting cause his luck is the only thing he thinks he can hold on to since most things or people that come into his life will eventually get destroyed, but the luck cycle will always be there. It's the only thing he can be sure of and find some sort of comfort in because it always follows through.
Oh my gosh I never thought of it that way- I love how you said that, like why he values hope/luck, LIKE WOAH. This makes me like him more now
@@Solo_LuX I swear there are always more layers to him. Once you think you have him all figured out... Boom! There's more complexity that you either forgot about or didn't think of yet!
*Exactly.* THIS.
no
What really sucks about Kokichi is that he never really got to redeem himself in the eyes of the characters. We know, as the player, how he actually wanted to help everyone, though people (Himiko) still thought he was lying, even after knowing he sacrificed himself. Because of his lies, nobody ever knew if he was being actually genuine or not and this kinda makes me sad for him.
Thats what i thought while playing, i was mad that no one believed him after literally sacrificing himself, but theyre to blame too, if they would look more into his actions and talk with kaito about the situation, they would have atleast believed in kokichi. Its really sad tbh, but Kokichis whole "cover-the.truth.with-lies" personality made it hard to believe too, so i dont blame them entirely, i was still dissappointed in kaito for still doubting kokichi while watching him dying.
@Kxtoko deadass
@Sonia Nevermind OK BUT LIKE HIM IN THE JPN VERSION IS BETTER I THINKY OU SHOULD LOOK AT MISTRANSLATION :) if you didn’t
@Kamila Bayardo that's crazy too cuz he was the main ones Kokichi messed with
It upsets me so much knowing that even after they found out Kokichi basically committed suicide to save the others, they still shrugged it off saying "Kokichi never cared" or "In the end he's still a piece of shit". I mean, he's done some pretty shitty things nonetheless, but that doesn't make him as bad a person they paint him. We ALL heard his motive, yet people still diss on the guy for being different and WAY more interesting than really anyone in my opinion. Now, I'm not trying to shove my opinion up people's asses, that's just rude. I'm kinda just ranting yk? Thanks for having me!! ❤️
I think something a LOT of people forget is why exactly Nagito put his plan into place and did what he did, and I think it's because even the game undermined it as "a crazy person's scheme": Nagito didn't just kill himself "for the sake of hope". He did it to save the outside world. After finding out they were all the remnants of despair with amnesia and (understandably) thinking they would all go back to killing innocent people and following Enoshima once outside the virtual reality, he concluded they were too evil, or as he put it, the embodiment of despair. Of course, Makoto's plan was still the right thing to do and they all deserved to live normal lives once no longer brainwashed, but I see this part of his thought process go completely ignored by anyone. What I mean is that Nagito, in his Nagito way, was still trying to save innocent people and that has to be considered when thinking about his character.
You're absolutely right on so many levels. I hate how Kokichi's actions are getting justified by his fans, and hes getting praised for supposedly *Trying to prevent everyone* when they diminish Nagito to a crazy Hopesexual just doing something insane, whereas his actions were waaaaaaaaay more selfless than kokichi, even willing to torture himself even though at the time he wasn't an ultimate despair. Yet with Kokichi, where his action were a little more terrible gets off Scott free, even though his actions are unclear and the reason he's liked is because he "supposedly" complex and part of that complexity is because of his lies. But they choose to believe the better side of him that they want, and excuse his actions and say *He was a UwU good boy* as an excuse
But drop-kicks much better characters like Nagito for being pure evil
@@bombaybombay2793 What argument are you trying to make here? You can't just say "What Kokichi did was worse than what Nagito did", and NOT explain why. And yeah Nagito tortured himself... in a plan that was supposed to kill _everyone_ except the traitor. When did Ouma try to destroy the entire V3 cast and doom them all again? Gee, I can't think of a single time. I only remember him explicitly telling them not to fall for Monokuma's BS, and impersonate the mastermind to _force_ them to have no reason to continue the killing game.
And this notion that Kokichi's fans think he's some sort of innocent saint is just objectively wrong, and I'm certain you realize this, considering YOU constantly diminish him as a "psychopathic" Nagito rip off. Refusing to acknowledge any of their fundamental differences in presentation and writing, without ever giving a reason for why these differences seem so small/negligible to you.
I'm not saying you can't like Nagito, but you seem to jump at every every opportunity to criticize Kokichi and diminish him as some sort of clone of a better character (in your opinion) without ever giving a strong argument for why. Like, yeah people enjoy how mysterious his backstory is, but that doesn't mean they can't decipher really interesting and layered aspects to his character based of his actions, dialogue, and presentation in the game. And when they do, it's satisfying to go back and realize what he was most likely thinking at every stage of V3. Just because they don't spoonfeed you information about every aspect of his life, doesn't mean there isn't still major depth to his actions (there's more than one way to craft a strong character). For example, we KNOW he was guilty and heavily affected by Kaede's death, because his actions from Chapter 2 onward are done in order to prevent another killing from happening (one of the first things he does is verbally tell everyone to stop cooperating and falling for Monokuma's traps afterall), and this gets further contextualized when we learn he's heavily against the idea of killing in general. Which is why it's enjoyable for so many that we get to actively watch him develop and struggle with his morals in chapter 4.
@@bombaybombay2793 lmao it's obvious that you like nagito better with the way that you literally go to a lot of comments in order to praise/defend him, while at the same time you keep criticizing kokichi. And then when people respond to you defending kokichi (because damn your analysis skills are way off the charts with how blatantly _wrong_ and generalized they are [ie. "kokichi is another crazy character like nagito with the villainess level turned up to 11"]), you reply saying how you actually like both of them!
What a covert hypocrite.
Also, kokichi isn't literally crazy like nagito. I think he was pretty sane. He definitely knows when to get serious and when to play around and lie (i think he was more like hiyoko in the sense that he bullies people, and it's his playful personality [as a supreme leader of a group that does harmless pranks] that makes him lie for fun and -be the annoying pest he is- act dramatically to make things less boring) whereas nagito is pretty consistent in his actions and opinions and obsessions which makes it really obvious that something's wrong with him. (And yes, i know about the trauma that his talent brought him, and the frontotemporal dementia, too)
Overall, craziness or no craziness doesn't make a character bad. They're both good and for the love of god,
They. Aren't. The. Same.
Edit: added parentheses
@@notagod4869 Ok first of all dont assume which character I like better, just because I'm criticizing Kokichi under fair use which i am allowed to do doesn't mean I like Nagito better (in fact I think they're both annoying)
I just think Nagito has an edge because he actually has a backstory and is original and anyone with a functional liver can see the obvious similarities that go a long way
And my analysis of him is not blatantly wrong. I thought Kokichi's character was complex just like an idiot before like you guys
But I actually started to think for myself and stopped relying on the fandoms depiction of him for ammunition in an argument
Also you are right, About my hypocrisy saying "I actually like him"
That is because I've had a bad experience with fangirls
And unless you say you like kokichi in someway
You apparently "dont get his FLAWED character"
And please stop saying they aren't the same
Kokichi is clearly trying to copy Nagitos formula
Yes they aren't THE EXACT SAME but Kokichi is completely unoriginal
And clearly based on Nagito the only difference people try to bring is that he wasn't actually crazy
Yeah I get that but his actions throughout the whole gosh-darn game is crazy and then they try to pull he wasn't really crazy at the very END
That is a load of bull
I hope I cleared things up, and please let's be humble with each other now🤗
@@DLxxx EXPLAINING A BIT OF HIS PAST OR REASONS BEHIND HIS ACTIONS EVEN JUST A LITTLE BIT IS NOT SPOON FEEDING YOU ANYTHING
My opinion has changed a bit over time so dont come at me to much though
Anyways it's hard for me to explain here. But aeris akamatsu posted a few vids on Kokichis writingbthat sums up how I feel
Not to say that They're completely right.
They make sense to me an I hope you watch it cause it's really thorough
Just finished V3 last night. I haven’t heard anyone mention this point, but I think Kokichi was further implied to care for Gonta because Gonta was always talking about little bugs. Kokichi made a schematic for a bug catcher, and had Miu actually make it. He doesn’t have super sight like Keebo does, so he wasn’t aware of all the cameras. So, my theory is that he came up with that design purely to make Gonta happy, which makes it more heartbreaking what he said at the end of Chapter 4 regarding his guilt.
Just finished last night too, adding to that, he really made use of everyone else's talents, Gonta's curiosity for the graffiti, Miu's constant requests, Suichi's deductions skills... he made the game what it is
Yea, not to mention, before Gonta dies, he asks everybody to forgive each other and become friends. Guess what? In the next chapter, after Maki chokes Kokichi, he tells them all he sees them all as friends, even if they don’t think the same. He wanted to keep Gonta’s promise, and I think that shows how much he cared for Gonta. He deeply regretted his actions.
He also volunteers to be sacrificed alongside Gonta. Knowing Kokichi, he wouldn't risk his life like this unless he was genuinely upset. He was paranoid as heck in every chapter up to this.
I like this idea a lot, but I doubt it's canon
They both have iconic laughs
The only thing the have in common is that they are antagonist. They are both two different characters with two different motives, behavior and personality. They both are my favorites 🥰🥰🥰
And chapter 5 death
And the bomb
And that they mess with trials
STOP YALL ARE MAKING ME LOOK LIKE A 🤡
And they both are super-highschool level gay for the protags
All i saw was the thumbnail and thought it was a rap battle
phew, i wasnt the only one
that’d be fire tho
LMAOOO WHOT
kokichi would win that though, he has a lot of disses to churn out, as seen in the trials with miu.
She sould make one to be honest it will be so funny .
I personally find both their cases equally impressive. I love that Komaeda’s case was practically unsolvable while Oma managed to fool the cameras and Monokuma himself
I think you've done a great job of explaining why these two characters are so fundamentally different in terms of their function in their respective stories (Komaeda explicitly being a threat to the player's goals, Ouma covertly being an ally to the player's goals).
It actually bothered me in v3 that the writing tried to establish superficial parallels between the two, and I think those parallels are part of why people try to compare the two despite the glaring differences.
"Malice" was one of the key words used to describe Komaeda's Trial 5 murder plot, and it was supposed to illustrate the depth of his loathing for the Remnants of Despair. This even included himself, with him going so far as up torture himself for succumbing to despair in pursuit of absolute hope. Hajime feels it the instant he sets eyes on Nagito's corpse, without even knowing what happened yet. Komaeda's feelings towards despair are intensely personal, as his entire life and world view are shaped by his cycles of good and bad luck, and his fear of his own inability to control his talent and avoid the trauma that his bad luck brings. Despite his good intentions, destroying despair by killing his classmates is an incredibly harmful and malicious act.
"Malice" is also used to describe the feeling Saihara senses from Ouma's murder scene. But it's not accurate in that context. Ouma wasn't trying to screw his classmates over by making an unsolvable murder - he was trying to save them. The farthest you could stretch it is that he felt "malice" towards the Mastermind and their game. But I don't think that kind of hatred is as absolute as what Komaeda felt towards the Remnants of Despair. Ouma's feelings towards the killing game are ultimately derived from a love and respect for humanity. We know from his motive tape that he just enjoyed having fun with pranks, and he was completely against killing. His motives are therefore far too wholesome to be described as "malicious".
Like WeebyNews says in her video, Komaeda's's character arc is fairly static in DR2 compared to Ouma's. So many prefer Ouma as a character. But because Komaeda was such a strong rival, he made DR2 a better game than DR3.
I like to think it like this: Komaeda just likely explodes in the killing game, all hatred and impulses there, plus his illness, Despair being something he lived with ever since he was little, not wanting to hold back his emotions anymore, he decides to do something, that he thinks are good things, to let the others "shine" and efecctively save and let the traitor live, since they were the only good person in his eyes. now Kokichi is tore apart piece by piece, in a slow process, when the easiest way to end that, killing the mastemind, ultimately fails, he seems forced to try and save these people by himself, maybe a leader sense of duty, (for the people who said his title was just for decoration lol) , and he sees how his morals and values dont work here, he tries to avoid doing thing that would directly violate his ideals, but deciding finally, for the greater good, that he needed to. Despair overcaming him slowly, something he never felt before that, as he realices the only way to end that for good was dying.
to sumarise, Komaeda was a time bomb while Kokichi's sense of duty pushed him to the edge.
YESS
I’m tired of people saying they are so similar when they only are being antags
You get too much hate :(
Atua queen
@@lollypopkween6909 ikr 😿
@@lollypopkween6909 deserved
@@darkyagami3503 what did I do wrong 😨
Nagito is unique as his trauma/inferiority complex (due to the despair he faces from the negative sides of talent) are so apparent, and it's hard not to feel bad for him as a victim even when he seems "unhinged" and willing to put others at risk - Kokichi is more realistic in the way that he doesn't have any seemingly otherworldly trauma (that we know about), he simply has a personality type that disturbs the peace in order to create some kind of control. They're such different characters that honestly, I think I like their writing equally.
So did Nagito's backstory really happen or did it not? Did Nagito tell Hajime it was all a lie? I'm a little confused. Thank you.
Brayden Anglesey it's true he just didn't want Hajime to be close to him
While I do agree with you I still think Kokichi is kinda a rip-off of Nagito and Celestia, I do think he has characteristics that set him apart just not the length that would make me comfortable
@@braydenanglesey650 No, he told the truth. After all, he isn't Kokichi. Where we get no form of backstory whatsoever
@@bombaybombay2793 dude just admit you don't like Kokichi and move on
both were anti-heroes, and their morals were entirely different
Nagito : sacrifice people for what he thinks is the greater good, hope
Kokichi : try to protect as many people as possible, but sometimes sacrifices are necessary, Miu Gonta and even Kaito a bit (i dont think he expected Kaito to die)
Finally! Someone who actually understands Kokichi well.
@@anonanon7986 oh shut up. No one understands him. In fact it doesn't seem like you understand him because. The guy was going to get everyone to off themselves by revealing the truth and got two people killed in the process and more or less two others and kept pissing people off making them unsafe
Yeah I agree tho I think it's a bit off. Nagito wouldn't just sacrifice for a greater hope since both endings are hopeful and despairful, if the killer survives the killing game ends and they can escape but that means everyone else died
If everyone else survives, the killer dies but the killing game continues
Nagito doesn't see Hope as "how many people survive" but rather "which person will see their hopeful ending more and which group would sacrifice more for this hopeful end and how much wouod they sacrifice"
He doesn't value hope based on quantity, but rather on quality and how much a person or group would sacrifice to get that hopeful ending
@@667nine yeah, but by greater hope i mean the one that is better in his eyes, because i dont understand him very well
@@pee9636 I don't think it's what "he" thinks as greater hope, he mostly just leaves it up to his luck or who triumphs in the end to get their happy ending
In a way, I kinda agree with Nagito's line of thinking because in reality, even the blackeneds aren't really bad guys, they are just kids who want to escape the killing game and for them, escaping would be a happy ending
It's grey and may seem wrong but honestly, can you blame them?
*finally a Worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary!*
indeed.
No it's going to be legen... wait fooor it .... DIARY
Eridan you would snipe them out of existence
I believe that Kokichi took on the role of the "villain" because everyone else saw him that way, so he used it to his advantage to try and stop the killing game. He used this factor to plunge everyone else into despair, but of course that didn't last long because of the mastermind.
Nagito, however, isolated himself from the group as he believed that he was below everyone else, and his reveal of character in the first trial caused everyone else to distance themselves from him. This distance/isolation allowed him to move outside of the group and do his own things behind the scenes, furthering his drive behind his motive to kill everyone else in the end.
Both characters helped the group in their own ways, while also working behind the scenes on their own schemes to affect the killing game/outside world.
That's what I believe anyway
i honestly like ouma more, he feels much more complicated than komaeda. i love how questionable ouma's ideals are compared to komaeda who has a more black and white world view
That sums up why I love V3 as a whole. It's the most complicated Danganronpa gets.
Yeah I agree with you.
@@ForrestFox626 same. V3 is better than the other 2 games in my opinion.
@@ForrestFox626 i agree, i've never been so invested with danganronpa until v3
oh my i agree so muchhhh ive invested more then 100 hours into v3 and i love kokichi so much because hes so hard to figure out its intriguing and he always keeps me entertained
I still wanna know how kokichi knew to have that script written and when he wrote it xD I guess maybe for an unused prank but it's still a funny thought.
He was planning his death after the second trial- originally he was gonna ask shuichi to help him but maki interfered
@@feather9077 I don't think he was planning to die. That was just a backup plan in-case things got worse.
Several days had passed from when Kokichi took Kaito into the hangar, he was working on the script and all the prep work while keeping Monokuma away by using the Exisals to monitor him. The fact the camera from the warehouse was already set up in the hangar is a huge indication that it was all planned in advance, and not a spur of the moment when Maki shot him.
It's also implied that originally Kokichi wanted Shuichi to assist him if you recall their conversation in the virtual world when he suggested that they 'work together' and 'save everyone', and without Shuichi there is no way the case would have been solved.
@@jinnimoo Maybe he made it as a backup plan, but I seriously doubt that he had planned himself to die in his main plan. After all, he had already stopped the killing game when he tricked them into thinking he was the mastermind.
@@anonanon7986 Whether Kokichi made his death mystery a 'back up plan' or not is hard to say, but what is for sure is that his plan didn't just end with him telling everyone he is the mastermind and have the game come to a halt. Kokichi's ultimate goal was to 'ruin' the game and one way of doing that is to prove it's illegitimacy and to force Monokuma into making a wrong decision and therefore puts the game's integrity into question for the audience.
I personally think his plan wasn't just going to end with the mastermind reveal, after all he did take Kaito at the same time, so what was he going to do for the remainder of the game? hide in the hangar with Kaito forever? He likely took Kaito for two reasons, 1 to have him assist with the murder mystery (since Shuichi rejected his offer previously) or 2, to stop Kaito from acting irrationally (this was right after Kaito gathered everyone to fight Monkuma) so that Kokichi can prepare his plan without interruption. Of course Kokichi could have been hiding in the hangar with Kaito for an entirely different plan not involving his death which we will never know about.
Kokichi is fun and entertaining, but that's really where it ends for me. Nagito is a character that I will never forget and one I haven't really seen anywhere else.
yes, exactly! kokichi is super funny and definitely one of my favorites in v3, but nagito is for sure my favorite character in any sort of anime/game. he is truly unforgettable.
yeah, i think that's what it is for me. i love kokichi but he seems like the classic ENTP anti-hero who's funny and the fan-favourite, but turns out to have reasons for what they do.
with nagito, there really aren't many characters like him at all. i love how unique his character is and how different he is to most.
@@nocturnal3427 my words exactly
@@sind2000 As if you couldn't literally make Kokichi do anything because "lol is it a lie or not lol" except Kokichi doesn't have a real ideology, or a real personality, or a real backstory, because literally anything he does or says is some Schrödingers bullshit. But yeah these are both well written characters. Just because a character is unpredictable or ambiguous doesn't mean they don't have real worth.
@@rasmusmalmberg6468 sorry no, you can go back to kokichi's actions and look at them from different lenses, either "he's trying to destroy us" lense or the "he's actually trying to help us" lense, and if you use the same lense to examine them throughout they are consistent, this is not the same with nagito, where his concept is literally whatever he feels like and murdering a friend and protecting a friend are somehow both for the sake of hope, there is a ground for reasoning with kokichi's actions unlike with nagito's
Hope man🍀 vs. Grape Boi🍇
Who will win?
Neither, because they are both different written characters with different emotions and intentions
i would say......more BOTH
EXACTLY
Rich boi would
@@lollypopkween6909 You mean Daddy Long Legs..?
@@anonanon7986 nah rich boy daddy
This video made me remember why I like Kokichi so much as a character and why I find Nagito so interesting. I do prefer Ouma, but that doesn't mean I dislike Komaeda; they are both very interesting characters in their own way.
Same, I prefer Kokichi as well
Nagito better
@@xnortheast1106 *PREACH*
@@bombaybombay2793 In what way are they the same person? That's a very extreme statement based on surface level similarities (that don't run very deep).
@@DLxxx I know, I know (especially in Danganronpa) the surface level is a horrible way to analyze characters and I do think they are different but I just couldn't shake it out of my head that they are similar on the surface of course. I think Kokihci is just a mix of like
BYAKUYA, CELESTIA, NAGITO honestly, but hes just has those differences it just goes unnoticed. Look at actions in chapter 5. And his villain like role. I mean that's a little different too but still. If you scratch the surface just a tiny bit with that in mind it might make a little sense, I hope.
"I wasn’t boring, right?” OMG NOOO 😭😭
With Nagito being my favorite character, you can already guess who, but Kokichi is also very interesting and I love how he set the tone for v3. He still felt a little flat to me and I didn’t have as much as a stronger connection than I had with Nagito. I felt like something was missing from Ouma and I didn’t know what.
I also think he feels hollow as a character for me, because
1. His actions attitude/demeanor is strikingly similar to Nagito to the point he feels like a rip-off
2. He kinda has no backstory to fuel his actions, which again makes it seem like they just copied and pasted him from Nagito
@@bombaybombay2793 His personality and demeanor is so different from Nagito's that this sentiment confuses me. Nagito was unstable, self depreciating, had consistent, unchallenged principles, was mostly static, and had no qualms opening up about his beliefs and history to Hajime. Kokichi on the other hand, was cryptic, childish (in demeanor), secretive, untrusting, believed he was the only person capable of stopping the killing game, and had visceral reactions (that ultimately caused him to change and develop his personality and temperament overtime, becoming more extreme and desperate) when his beliefs were constantly challenged.
VERY different characters. The only similarity is that they both serve as antagonist/challengers to the protagonist (and Oma is FAR more of a rival/foil to Kaito than he is Shuichi, so even their dynamics aren't the same).
Him not being given a proper backstory literally does nothing to make him more similar to Nagito, who has a fully fleshed out and developed backstory thT drives his every action. If anything that just objectively makes them more different. Kokichi's character must fundamentally be interpretted through his actions in the killing game (and the small hints we get to his past) alone, making him a character you actively need to decipher in order to then explore his layers within the scenes we see him. Whereas Komeada's actions and motives are clearly readable and defined by his background surrounding his luck cycle and trauma. So their very structure as characters is fundamentally different BECAUSE of Oma's hidden backstory.
@@DLxxx U know this, I know that they are still two different characters, and I loved that about the both of them so much.
However I still cant shake the feeling that Kokichi was just supposed to be another Nagito.
They both are antagonistic assholes who relish everyones misery
They both got to people killed and tried to get several others killed
And they both are just...welll... evil
I'm sorry I know that seems weak but still. Byakuya has nothing on these guys but you still needed to keep an eye on him
And in DR2 with Nagito they turned the villain up to eleven and in DRV3 they did do stuff different and the things that are different are good, but it still feels like they decided to keep the antagonist level high just like Nagitos. (I dont know if that makes sense) and of course we cant forget chapter 5's action with "The most unpredictable character doing something insane by having themselves killed".
But all and all I still like both these characters and they are very different. But I still do get annoyed with how they pay to much attention to
Kokichi (hes obviously the highlight of MOST of the trials)
On account to other characters who need much more fleshed out development
I get why he did what he did but I still dont like it. I honestly thought characters like Miu and Gonta should have survived
@@bombaybombay2793 I like to think that Tsumigi wanted to created a person similar to Nagito, Didn't Tsumigi mentioned that the team Danganronpa scripted everything, From the characters personality and everything??
@@kyanna. yeah probably
“Do you have the time to talk about our lord and savior, Hope?”
“...Yes.”
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I feel like they're both really well made characters, but as a antagonist, Nagito was way better. He didn't need any bullying, liying or stuff like that, just beeing himself did it. Idk how to explain this one, but Nagito has my whole heart and he's the best antag, in my opinion ofc
Now I feel like there's NO way I can choose between them. I mean it was super hard to answer that community poll, but now that you refreshed my memory I realized yet again that both of these characters are so well written and so different that I can never choose between the two
I'll have to disagree with you on different. Yes they do have differences that set them apart. But they still are very similar, and not in a good nor neutral way
i love them both, they’re both 2 of my favourite danganronpa characters. but honestly i prefer nagito, he’s very well written always keeps you on the edge of your seat, he never settles for the good or bad side, always in the middle. it makes him interesting and unique, he’s so complex that you wouldn’t be able to unpack all of his layers even if you’ve been a fan since danganronpa 2 first came out. his plan is so well thought out that the only thing which gave it away was his luck, and chiaki basically admitting to it. You hate him at one point then sympathize with him when you understand his backstory and see why he’s doing this. he’s my favourite character in the entire franchise and probably one of my favourite characters in anime. of course, kokichi also shares a lot of the same characteristics, i prefer nagito’s character more. I’m more able to relate to him than i am to kokichi. I think the way he’s written makes it very clear what his motive is and his overall goal but at the same time it’s quite blurry so you never know whether he’s on the despair side or hope side. of course this is just my opinion i love both of them but just prefer nagito. you’re free to disagree with me respectfully.
also super danganronpa 2 is my favourite one out of the 4 games so that’s probably another aspect as to why i prefer him.
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Always believed Shuichi, Kokichi and Kaito represented Truth, Lies, and Belief respectively instead of Kaito being Truth instead (in which that can't be right considering his beliefs tends to interfere with the truth).
Shuichi, regardless if he lies, always aimed for the truth. Even if it hurts.
Kokichi, is the personification of lies. Ambiguous in nature.
Kaito, being a personification of belief. To stubbornly and unwaveringly believe in something, even if there's no clear indication if it's the truth or not.
Kokichi is a very well written character with many layers of complexity, but he's not the first take on the liar archetype, and won't be the last. Meanwhile, Nagito feels like something never seen before, a character that not only works exclusively within the context of Danganronpa, but is so unique he has his own archetype (the infamous "komaeda archetype")
YES YES YES.
I prefer Nagito a lot more than Kokichi. The fact that he was willing to go so far to fulfill his ideals, torturing himself so nonchalantly and creating *such* a genius murder mystery all play a role in why he id more favorable.
I was honestly very shocked when Chapter 1 almost made him the culprit, and it turns out throughout the rest of the game that he isn't the Kyoko for DR2.
Another persona thing is that I prefer his chemistry with the rest of the cast more. Because despite how hated he was, they still depended on him at times and he helped efficiently.
I also didn't really understand what "The Supreme leader" talent even meant to begin with...
kokichi points out during a certain after scene with kaede i assume that he agrees with her after she suggests he should have been given the title ultimate liar instead of supreme leader
I really don't like Kokichi. He was a huge discomfort character for me. I will always prefer Komaeda
I personally think that his ultimate supreme leader talent was a villain view of ultimate supreme leader: being able to mislead other's.
@@evvdmistr yeah but remember that in his motive video monokuma confirm that he's talent is the ultimate supreme leader, since monokuma always tells the right talent (like maki motive video who confirm her as the ultimate assassin other than the ultimate child caregiver)
What I love about kokichi is how the game left a lot of aspects of his character up to interpretation by the player. It’s very easy to argue that he had good or bad intentions and that just makes him so interesting because each person can interpret him in a unique way without being “wrong”
Komaeda does change his views during the story and more than he shows in chapter 4 though. But not exactly when it comes to how he sees luck or hope but rather due to how he sees talent (this aspect changes a lot actually). For context, In SDR2 he states that only talented people can become hope and because of this he stops respecting Hajime since he found out that he was just a talentless steeping stone used to create real talent (Izuru) and antagonize him and the others due to him discovering that they all fell into despair in the past, including him (which in his eyes meant that despite being talented, they weren´t worthy of being called symbols of hope and thinks that his luck is giving him a chance to redeem and turn himself into someone worthy of being called the Ultimate Hope by defeating the ultimate despairs. Thus why he tried to kill them all except Chiaki in chapter 5).
However, this wasn´t always the case, in UDG it´s stated by him that he changed his views on talentless people after seeing how Naegi, a seemingly average guy with the same ultimate talent than him was able to overcome the despair and defeat Junko, the ultimate despair. This is in fact what led him to adapt the philosophy where he now thinks that hope is always found on the side of the weak and the underdogs and thus, even talentless people can become hope. Which was basically a huge part of the reason why she helped Monaca to set up Towa city´s massacre game, just to see Komaru (the talentless sister of Naegi, the guy who made him change his views) becoming hope. This mentally got wiped out when he got into the neo world program but he gained appreciation for this idea again after considering that his luck was giving him a change to become hope itself by fighting all the others that he found out were ultimate despairs.
Just like you said, I think that the dangerous and "creepy" factor is what makes Komaeda win. They both have interesting mentalities and actions but the sense of danger that both characters transmit is way different. With Komaeda they had him tied up by chapter 2 just due to how insane he talked and acted right from the begining and he kept that sense of danger and insanity based on admiration and obsession towards hope and the ultimates through the whole game leaving to the other students very clear that he was willing to kill, instigate murders and be killed alone or along the others just for his beliefs. Kokichi also has a creepy and dangerous factor but it all gets a bit watered down by comparison due to half of his personality being clearly more on the side of a childish troll/jokester who´s words are not meant to be taken seriously all the time.
I completely agree with this, very well done. I kinda think that beyond the themes kokichi represents, he is pretty much a copy and past of Nagito. Like they wanted to recreate a mother psychopathic character beloved by the fandom, and they seem to win a little just by how many people like him, yet this is probably due to how complicated he is and how much of a funny brat he is, and the fact that he embodies a philosophical theme that's pretty interesting. But all and all I wasn't pleased with how he was presented
@@bombaybombay2793 Kokichi's NOT psychopathic though (this is a fact). He actively detested the idea of killing people and toying with their lives, showing he had a great degree of empathy and respect for humanity. That's why he hated the killing game so much. His guilt over not doing anything to prevent Keade's death ran so deep that he began to antagonize the rest of the cast in order to help them cycle out of Monokuma's killing game, and he almost had himself killed along with Gonta because he betrayed his own morals by having him kill Irumi.
Nagito on the otherhand believed a killing would ultimately be necessary for to strengthen the other students, and was literally going to instigate the first kill if Teruteru and Byakuya hadn't interfered. And he viewed their deaths as just another stepping stone in his belief system. Also, he arranger to have all of the students including himself die, while the only person Kokichi was okay with killing in his final plan was himself.
They are VERY different on a moral level. I really don't understand where this notion you keep bringing up is coming from (aside from the surface level similarities, which are very shallow).
@@DLxxx I'm sorry I dont believe that, please stop.
Kokichi took advantage of Gontas desire to help everyone to kill the only person that cooperated with him, Miu. And he clearly never planned to let their plan go seeing as he straight up Told everyone who the killer was for the petty reason "shuichi lied to him" dont make it seem like it was some noble thing because if he wanted to help evryone so bad than he would have cooperated with them up the proper way
It's not like it was necessary for him to get Miu and Gonta killed. They had the inventions to fight and only he deemed it necessary to sacrifice them.
Probably so he would conflict without the idea he got them killed
And I think his motive video is a poor way to try to justify things
First off why would you need to specify a "Clown band" having a code of "No killing" what clown band does. They carry out harmless pranks
The least they should do is specify nothing too violent
Instead of No killing, like, how did we even get there.
They're trying a little two hard with that is all
And like I said j believe they are still pretty similar in terms of their roles in the game as the villain being turned up to eleven
Yes they are different I just cant shake the feeling that Kokichi along with being the personification of the themes is just another Nagito yo relish everyones misery.
I know they have a different moral standpoint. Also you do agree with me on them being similar on the surface level correct? I know its shallow. And I didn't take him for a nagito until like a little later on
@@DLxxx I know I'm being a little shallow and all but I still stand by the idea that the writers were like
"Oh you hated Byakuya well wait until we show you the next guy"
"Oh wait you liked him well let's give you guys another crazy one"
Honestly that's my head canon
I like kokichi but in the end I don't agree with things that he (and nagito) did and I don't think there is any shame in expressing that, especially since these characters are interesting to talk about
I know Kokichi isn't a crazy evil psycho but he was still selfish, selfish but had 'GoOd' intentions
Honestly, imo, the two characters really MADE the two games. Without them, the games would've been so far from what they are now
Ngl, I read it as KOKICHI VS OMA for way too long
Oh shit me too-
I-
Nagito does more wild stuff during the whole game while Oma starts slow and in the background and grows into the big boy in the second half of the game
About being well written, it is a little up to an individual's preferences, some people see good writing in a character with more info and back story, but some other might find good writing in how mysterious a character is so they can analyze them more
I personally prefer Kokichi. I feel like he was able to keep everyone on their toes throughout the game. He was difficult to figure out and that was what made him interesting in my opinion. Komaeda was a great character too. I liked how we knew things about his past and were able to connect the dots. However all in all, I think Kokichi was definitely a better antagonist because of how much he screwed with things. We were also able to see how Kokichi's personality meshed with other characters because essentially he was a very social character. His lies at times were unprecedented but necessary. I also loved how Kokichi didn't only have a major "betrayal" at the end. Nagito didn't really do very many bad things until around the last trial he was in. When Kokichi started becoming more active he stayed that way. His twists were more sporadic but consistent while the other two antagonists only had one or two moments.
Sorry if this is a bit repetitive- Also, sorry this was so long pwp
Don't get me wrong, I love Nagito as well-
Yeah I completely agree with you. I also prefer kokichi. In addition I liked kokichi more because of his troll personality. I found him more entertaining. Also the fact that he was able to play with the game's mechanics was just amazing
You said komaeda didnt really do anything up to chapter 5. He literally tried to kill someone on chapter one.
I absolutely love this video, because it shows how they are both amazing in their own ways, and while they both are antagonists it's pretty clear what aspects were focused on whenever you analyze their characters. I love whenever you make character analysis's, so thank you for making this one!
I remember when I first reached chapter 5 of SDR2, I had to turn it off after seeing Nagito's body. I was in really bad denial. :(
It's super interesting in chapter 5 of V3, about not knowing the victim. It was done super well.
Still, I like Komaeda better overall (because I had that immediate reaction of, "no way! He can't be dead! It has to be a lie..." it's the only death in the whole series I reacted to like that.)
I was in denial too. During the investigation, I had to take a deep breath and say, "Calm down Chloe, you can do this..." before examining his body.
I honestly don't think either character is objectively better than the other, they are both amazing to me, the way they are each written serves their individual purposes almost perfectly.
Personally prefer Oma ... While twisted his belief-system and actions makes sense within his morality (and struggle with compartmentalizing his action in Act 4).
Meanwhile Komaeda's believes is never endingly static and so alien that they might as well be graded on the Blue-Orange Scale, with the only relation with the rest of the world is reusing of 'Hope' and 'Despair' labels and classification methods
Yeah I agree
it’s true that komaeda’s values are so uniquely a product of the danganronpa world and narrative the game establishes but i’d argue his character’s relation to the world extends beyond redefining its initial concepts of hope/despair, but to the meta narratives and the ramifications of the toxic mentality perpetuated by hope’s peak academy (this is explored with hajime as well)
Tbh the real vilian of V3 is Shuichi for not having the balls to go in the girls bathroom and look around. IYKYK
he DID actually in chap 6 :D
@@kaitoeiscool yea Ik I just meant during the first investigation. You know… like any good detective would have.
@@evankrueger7321 i mean, detective or not you gotta be respectful man :/ Maki literally was going to heat the shit out of him when he came out 😀
@@kaitoeiscool I think the fresh corpse would be enough motivation to have a professional mindset.
@@evankrueger7321 eh true \_😕_/
I love how Kokichi always antagonizes Kaito. They're both strikingly similar, and I didn't like Kaito. Technically, he doesn't act logically, and Shuichi HAD to side with Kokichi to prove Gonta killed Miu.
Nagito hanging out with Hajime and talking about his talent was fun. Hajime is my favorite protagonist, so Nagito has a warm place in my heart.
I think that's one of the reasons I do like Kaito because, even in dire situations, not everyone thinks logically. It was very human of him.
@@brew2544 I don't like the idea that being logical is inhuman.
@@All-Hail-Gayle it's not. Both are human reactions which is why I don't fault him or Shuichi for doing what they did because both responses made sense.
@@brew2544 You said it was very human for him to be illogical.
@@All-Hail-Gayle yes. It was very human of Kaito in a way where it humanized him more for me/made him more relatable. It reminds me of Aoi (and later Maki).
Ah finally, the Komaeda and Ouma video. I’ll be excited to see what you say about this topic.
Edit: I’ve watched the video, and I have to agree with your reasoning. Although, poor Togami, he always gets left out.
Komaeda was the perfect “villain” character, but Ouma was a more “humanized” character.
It fits the theme of dr2 being more wacky and nonsensical since it’s a virtual world vs the entertaining yet realistic v3 world.
V3 isn’t the “realistic” world. Since they are both in virtual worlds. V3 is way more wacky then V2 since it contains “ultimate” labs the Mono-Cubs and the glass caged. I do agree that V3 has the same atmosphere as V1 but V2 has a more sadistic tone and it has a tropical island. Which is my realistic and no while V3 has a huge glass cage with fake buildings and a school in the middle of no where.
They gave a more of the first game, (the first game was the most realistic) and were similar including V3xxxx.
@@pedrolikesgummies V3 isn’t a virtual world, it’s up to interpretation. And I interpret it as not a virtual world. And yes, the world is wacky. What makes the world “real” are the participants and their coping mechanisms and feelings.
By “entertaining yet realistic”, I meant that the entertaining parts (the wackiness) contrasted the realistic emotions and struggles.
Also don’t use “V” for the other games unless you’re talking about Danganronpa 51 and 52.
After realizing that Nagito has lymphoa or however you write it, I think he's more realistic.
I like kokichi more though, cause he can be normal, crazy and stuff. Hes pretty dope.
Hes not my favorite though, I think Gundham stands up of them. WAYY far.
Personally I enjoy both characters but for me nagito wins by a long shot, I relate to nagito which may not be a good thing but his view of himself and the world are things I can really relate too, I can’t understand when people say nagito is unrelistic as I identify and relate to almost every part of his character and understand and agree with his actions. Although I do relate with kokichis trust issues and I myself am a pathological liar and I do enjoy Kokichi I just don’t feel as strongly to him, nagito is just such a beautiful complex character and I absolutely love his two sides of being either kind or rude and I do love his plan I find it incredibly entertaining. I just feel more strongly towards nagito and love his personality more then Kokichi although I do love him
I love Komaeda so much, like ive never seen a character like him hes so different and complex and always has me thinking. I never know if I love him or hate him. Idk hes just a way better character to me, kokichi is alright tho.
I think i cannot prefer anyone over another, but i wanted to say that imo, kokichi was a more realistic character, while nagito was more fictional but both of them are really well written
Unbelievable nagito stuff: his luck and how it affects him and ppl around him, everything possible about hope, how his ideals affect him, his actual ideals, willingness to put his life on the line to achieve his (twisted) ideals
Unbelievable kokichi stuff: personality type, has a whole ass secret organisation at like 16(?) w 10,000 members, ability to lie so well and convincingly, ability to manipulate, willingness to put his life on the line to help others
Idk man theyre both pretty unrealistic but I'm mad biased towards nagito so oh well. Kokichis cool tho and I wish the survivors could truly recognise the extent of what he did for them
@@heather-sj2pi i see! Nice! i had forgotten about my comment here 😂 and well i usually don't assume things but are you here after dear Aeris akamatsu's video?
Anyways, i kinda agree but i think i didn't make myself clear. By realistic i do not necessarily mean humane. What i mean by realistic is how he was one of the only characters who really knew that the situation is dangerous and they are not getting out of it with the power of friendship.
And i think i really shouldn't be arguing about how the whole organization thing was a lie 😂😂😂
@@tj_sarina8512 nah dude I didn't watch the video, but watched one similar with the same concept. Ah I get what you mean sorry lol I misunderstood what you meant by realistic. And yeah for the organisation bit i meant like kokichi died thinking DICE was real, right? (I can't really remember but i think he died before that flashback light) so like he thought it was within reason for himself to be able to lead such an organisation if that makes sense.
Idk I think I misunderstood ur og comment
It would be cool if you made another comparison video like this, maybe with kyoko and chiaki.
Those are two different characters?
Maybe Shuichi and Kyoko. They're more alike than Chiaki and Kyoko
@@rank1562 um oma and komaeda not the same but weeby still did it
@@rank1562I know that, I said kyoko and chiaki because both are supporting characters
@@rayiichi7106 oh ok I get it now
I personally like Oma more but Komaeda is a better written character.
sadly
I would prefer Komaeda more. But I wouldn't fight anyone that says Kokichi has more depth in terms of humanity. Small world.
@@bombaybombay2793 stfu bro 💀💀
No one is better written character then the other in my opinion, they have different perspectives and different characters so we can’t compare them to that
Both are great characters. I just love both a lot. However, the question I would like to know the answer is, if they both are in the same class trial and having a rebuttal showdown, who will win?
Maybe oma idk is just a guess
Tsumugi
random but is something i've noticed is that younger fans and ones newer to the series prefer kokichi (and their favourite game is v3), while a lot of the older fanbase prefer nagito (and their favourite game is sdr2).
i think overall kokichi is a more popular - as in well liked, not well known - character though.
yeah like for real I haven't heard about Danganronpa 1 and 2. I've watched v3 last year and watched 1 2 and udg this year. And it just made sense really.
Yes. I hope that the newer fans watch the elder series-- It's better to start from the beginning.
how did you know dat
that is correct for me
But i thought Kokichi was the most popular character in danganronpa as in how well known they are. Sure,he's hated by a lot of people(although not as strongly as Nagito)but his popularity outside of the fanbase is wayy stronger then Nagito's the only person that can compare to his popularity is Junko but even then i feel like Kokichi's overtaken her
I agree with your Analysis Weeby!
I love Nagito as an antagonist and I think his trial was way better than Kokichi's but I personally prefer Ouma because I loved his character and his ideals of TruthvsLies. He just felt more realistic to me compared to Nagito's HopevsDespair ideal. But at the end of the day, I love both of them Soo much🤍💜 they _definitely_ made Both their games interesting in many ways✨👀
First: hi again!😂
Second: as always I agree with you. I just found kokichi's character a bit more entertaining to me but I live them both a lot.
@@yanoizikawa770 first: OMG fr is it me or are we always fated to meet whenever Kokichi is involved? Lol😂 It's Soo nice to see you Yano.
Second: Yeah! And it's so sad we're part of the minority who love Kokichi. Anybody who has played/watched v3 can admit he's what always made v3 interesting. His sassy and mischievous persona kept me entertained lol💜
Amazing video Weeby. Been a fan of yours for a while, and was so excited to hear this videos idea. my two faves. its so hard to choose, but i gotta go with kokichi
I went with kokichi as well
my two cents is that really... they're fundamentally different characters (that i both love).
what's really clear is their drive. nagito is driven by his ideals - his philosophy on the world and people.
his motives come from a person place of passion and make him at his core a very wistful and reflective person. we can see his romantically philosophical outlook in life especially in UDG; he uses a lot of melancholic-sounding metaphors too.
this perception has made his morals unlike that of what's acceptable, which is why he is portrayed as an 'antagonist'.
kokichi doesn't have as much drive nor incentive (which is why he influences the killing game less). he instead is just a character with no qualms making himself appear as the 'villain' or to be non-conforming, especially for the sake of amusement.
this makes him a bit more lacking in morals than the rest of the cast, which is why he is portrayed as an 'antagonist'.
it seems as though kokichi is loved for his entertainingness. he is arguably THE funniest character and that makes him very fun. he is also probably loved for how he still retains an essence of relatability, which makes people sympathise with him and probably view him more like a character they'd want to be friends with.
as for nagito, people who like his character most likely do for his uniquenes and complexity (which often goes dismissed as most people dismiss whatever nagito says as nonsense with no meaning behind it) or how integral he is to making sdr2's plot interesting. some may also like him for his passion too, and how strong his character is.
[personally, i don't like when people call characters 'realistic' when really they mean extremely unusual. i wouldn't say komaeda is unrealistic; i'd say he's extreme, while kokichi is a more encounterable personality.]
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS MOMENT!!! I'M TELLING YOU
I like Oma better, but Komaeda had one of the best Trials in the series
*Picks a nice photo of Komeda and one of the most wack photos of Ouma*
Me: “your really gonna do my guy dirty like that?”🎲
I really enjoyed this analysis! It was fun to see someone properly compare and contrast their characterisation. Good job ^.^
One thing I want to say is I doubt Hope vs Despair is the theme of the 2nd game
I think it’s past vs future. Most killers in the game kill with a past related motive (Ghundam is an exception but he’s cool so that’s fine)
1:Nothing in the game convinced him, a memory convinced him.
2:While she could have moved forward and gained a friend she decided to act their past way.
3:Got an illness that returned her to her ultimate despair self
5:Rather than look to the future and try to reform ultimate despair he decides to try to kill them all
yesss its about time this video was really good
I love these analysis videos! Great job! I hope you can do more!
Really loved this video
I will say I do pefer Kokichi because he feel more human and in my eyes he more of a well written character. But I do get why you do pefer Komaede.Any way love da vid ! :3
I prefer kokichi as well
Yeah, I prefer Kokichi too.
KOKICHI SUCKS, I PREFER NAGITO!
IT'S A LIE!
@@anonanon7986 Cries in Kokichi Kin-
*Oh wait-*
@@koolaidcat GOT 'EM!
I don't know if there is much info for this, but Akane vs. Asahina would be interesting for me. (Also if you plan to do another character analysis I recommend Maki ^_^)
I think it's up to preference but I think hina would win easily because of chapter 4. Akame never really got such a moment, sadly.
Nagito is way better imo. Kokichi actually made me miss Nagito during v3 to the point I think I actually cheered when he appeared in ch6
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Yeah they both are good but I prefer Kokichi he's a little more likeable In my opinion
i agree
Yeah I agree
I like them both equally
I prefer Kokichi because he's subtle about what he's doing. He understood so early what was going on and understood that not hidding it like Kaede or Rantaro did will only kill him. Also, he's not the Supreme Evil Leader because of his organisation, he have this talent because he lies so much that he can manipulate people into almost doing whatever he wants them to do. He LEADS them to what he wants them to believe with the power of his lies. There's so many moments where it's evident that he's a good guy. Like when he lied about killing Angie in chapter 3 to trigger the murderer. It's just that nobody really understood him and tried to learn more about him. And that he did everything he could to make people believe he's evil so he can end the killing game. He wanted to give the survivors as much tools as he possibly could so they discover the truth. And sadly, he had to manipulate Gonta into killing Miu cause she didn't let him have a choice. He wouldn't be able to stop her himself because of the code and nobody except Gonta would have tried to help him. So he set him up and used his death to make the others believe that he's truly evil.
Even better: because nobody were doing anything because he made them do so, the mastermind had to invent a lie so everybody else tries killing him. And this lie is what actually made the entire mastermind's plan go to waste. Just by making a flashback light telling that he's a remnant of despair and the discovery of his motive video deconfirming it, it made everybody understood that the flashback lights aren't real memories. And he barely gets any credits for this.
Sorry for the long comment. I just absolutely love Kokichi's character and I'm sad my boy doesn't get as much understood as most of the other characters.
That was so well explained! What you said is why I think his character is geniusly written and the fact that most people (in and out of the game) don't see all his manipulations just tells you how good and subtle he really is. It was so sad to me that in the game, even after he dies for them, they do not recognise that he was trying to help and keep blaming him.
man! this video is finally out!!!! excited !!
i love when weeby does analysis video she’s so smart id let her tutor me
Komaeda for me, that being said I hope we have more of these comparison videos in the future they're really well written.
I cant choose they were both amazing characters in my opinion. It’s hard for me to compare them since the games messages they tried to portray were so different. But yea 🦧
Can't wait to watch! I hope no editors were harmed in the making of this lol
This is relatively unrelated but I honestly didn't like Kaito as much as other player's did. In the end, I found that he (much like Kaede) believed his own morals and beliefs to be in the right, and thus forced them on others. When people reject his own beliefs he then believes them to be 'naive' or in the wrong, refusing to see things from the perspective of others. I suppose that he was purposely written like this though.
My three boys: Nagito, Kokichi, and Sou
Personal rankings: Kokichi, Sou, Nagito. (from best to worst)
mine would be in this order: Sou, Nagito, Kokichi
i personally would put sou first because i think he's well written and pretty original but i respect your opinion, they're all great!
@@aspnn i just like kokichi more because Sou is a little bit less prevalent in the story in chapter 3 and i hope that he gets more screentime. It does feel a little unresolved with him
Omg I agree with you so much. I love the 3 of them a lot and the best to worst for me is the same as yours.
@@yanoizikawa770 lol
Can we stop inventing backstories for characters that don't have them? People actually take this "Kokichi comes from a broken home" stuff at face value
its fun to think up a backstory that makes sense for your favorite characters, but i agree that people need to be more explicit when saying that its a headcanon
in the plan thing I like more Kokichi's
it aligns more with the theme of the game because he had to thrust Saihara to not help Monokuma discover the truth and ultimately lie
but mystery wise Komaeda's plan is so interesting
FINALLY!!
the video that everyone was waiting for!!
i honestly love them both but if i had to choose one i would pick Nagito i love the creepy sensation that surrounds him, his obsession with hope is really intriguing and i also love his backstory
2:10 he's the only... emotionally stable one xD
Keep up the good work, take your time, its always good to hear a dangaronpa related videos again.
Kokichi is the subject of my nightmares slightly more often than Nagito but that’s probably just because he has the creepier sprites 😂
This video made me realize again how much I really appreciate the two characters. They are so well written and my two absolute favorites
I personally like Komaeda more, but v3 was a better written game in general, so I understand why people might like Kokichi more
You have the exact same opinions on both of them that I do! Awesome
Man Weeby I so wanted you to mention their dialogue event at the board game
i really need a byakuya character analysis tho 👁️👁️
I’m dying to learn about his childhood. Apparently it’s a lot darker than the surface level information we have now, some people say he was sexually assaulted and I’d like to see if that was true.
@@biffy. that comes from the novel, which is not canon,,,, it’s just people writing that info off as canon when it’s not :/
I think the reason I like Kokichi more than Nagito is because Nagito comes off a lot more driven by his own ideology. And while that is a good driver to his character and the story at large his character seems to be almost entirely driven by that. Kokichi on the the other hand while lying is a part of who he is is not the entirety of his person. He will use lying to get what he wants whether that be to prevent his own murder or end the killing game but those lies aren't done for the sake of lying but rather for his own goals and wants.
I love this video sm
You're an absolute hero but also a madman for making a comparison video between these two, considering what the fandom is like lmao.
What a fight. I absolutely love these two but I'm in team Nagito. I just found him more sympathetic and imo he done better job at being moraly gray character