Sur Ron vs. DIY eBike / Is It Even Worth Building an Electric Bike?
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- More information on eBike v4.2 can be found at mysuperebike.com/
I supply a Parts List and a Video Guide to help DIY people build their own powerful eBikes for only the cost of parts!
For order inquires, shoot me an email directly at Ladi@mysuperebike.com
Price of eBike v4.2 (completed base model): 5,000 Euro / $5,600 USD
Price of CyberBike: 6,800 Euro / $7,345 USD
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eBike v4.2 Specs:
- 100km/h max speed (62 MPH)
- Range around 80km (50 miles)
- Weight: 62kg (136 lbs)
- 0-100 acceleration in 10 seconds
- Regenerative breaking
- Built-in charger & bluetooth connectivity
CyberBike Specs:
- 27kW peak power
- 3,2kWh battery
- 3kW built-in charger
- 120km/h max speed (75 MPH)
- Range over 100km (60 miles)
- custom 3D printed panels (any color you want)
- Weight: 86kg (189 lbs)
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Music by: Epidemic Sound
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Noise demonstration:
• Electrek Review: Sur-R...
• Sur-ron test bike firs...
Size demonstration and mentions:
• My SurRon MX Build
• Sur-ron Electric Bike
• SUR-RON LightBEE Sport...
set play speed to 1.25 and thank me later lol
Azog Defiler thanks bro
no thanks
I went ahead and did 1.5 haha
why tf does it sound more natural..
not all heroes wear capes
This dude is number one... I have seen all the youtube channels related to ebikes, and this guys knowledge and product is light years ahead of all the rest... Greettings from Brazil !!!
Great video! I wish I watched this before I upgraded my sur Ron! If my time in motorcycles has taught me anything it's that 1 bike is never enough! I look forward to following your tutorial when I attempt to build my second bike!
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I can’t wait to get building your great ebike it’s amazing keep up your great work my friend your the guy.👍
Aside from the customisation benefits of your own e-bike. You learn a great deal from building your own machine, and you certainly gain a sense of achievement from it. Especially when you lit it rip for the first time and the electric torque surprises you! I started off with a cheap 1000w diy kit from amazon 6 years ago with 2 batteries that I would individually charge and reconnect in series. Now years later I have a 23s EIG pouch cells setup with bms and pulling 250 battery amps on a bike that weighs a little over 40kg's that hits ludicrous speeds in seconds. I didn't need any special training just a few youtube videos and a friend to show me the bms setup and a bit of hard work. It's a lot more fun doing it DIY and cheaper!!
Hey that battery thing about charging them individually and then connecting them in series is something I used before also ... only difference was i connected it to 2 toggle switches (each with 4 connections ) and would have one switch connect the batteries together in series and the other one in parallel. I then stuck the switches together but in opposite. So when switching parallel to charge both at the same time it would mechanically switch off the series connection since the toggle switches where soldered together ...and vise versa when switching back to series ...yea it was overly complicated but like you said we have to start off somewhere . But I remember at the time feeling so proud of something that I now see as a hazard 😅. Great to know I'm not the only crazy that enjoys building ev's
@@ijaripanju3408 Yeah thats something I thought about doing when i moved up to higher voltages 28s 117v full charge, more batteries in series. But realised I was running so much current the switches wouldn't survive lol, and then decided to just learn how to wire a BMS.
Watching this, never get's old!
Brilliant video thanks again. Saved me from hassle. The v42 is a real man's bike
Thank You for the video. When comparing DIY motors I ignore exact wattage ratings and look more at Torque NM and RPM. I see 500w motors rated with 12ah 36v batteries. I test them at about 417 actual watts because the 12ah battery is running @ 11.6 ah with a 36v 17a voltage controller. I opted for building a dual motor AWD fat tire bike because I needed off road and street legal for USA. I run 430 actual watts in the back motor and 288 actual watts in the front motor with high torque and rpm motors. I built my own batteries with Panasonic cells and I run separate battery packs for each motor. I used a 11t to 28t rear 7 speed free wheel and a 40t crank. Nothing as fast as your rig, but I can run it both on and off road USA legal.
Very nice! Post some pics of this beast!
Thanks for the video. Can you tell me where I can find a hub motor for a boost frame 12x148?
Your videos are so good, thank you so much
for electric bike, which brands of universal battery and motor for recommendation (aostirmotor ebike)
Not only did you just do a dope video you hit the people with some knowledge too 🤙🏽
Great video. Great info. Thanks. I needed this comparison.
Thanks for a great program - just one simple question "what brand is your phone holder on the bike" or did you 3D that one as well?
thanks for sharing the wisdom! i recently discovered E bikes and have been intrigued by how fun and convenient they are!! i am hoping on doing a road trip in the summer around Europe in a Van with a solar panel mounted on the roof rack, that will enable me to charge the bike! first stop was going to be Holland to get some "supplies" but even better! i could collect the bike from Rotterdam on the way!! maybe give the new model a test drive around the Alpine roads in Austria! and up to the eagles nest! thanks again!
You are one of the best ebike builders💯👍👍
Epic video. Love the truth and comparing a real combating decision between easy to buy or building one. Loved this
How much would it be to build the cyberbike or parts and we put together?
I love how we are comparing how loud they are! I used to ride 2 stroke dirt bikes and they sounded like a rocket taking off. Electric is so much better. I like the quieter ride of electric. You can enjoy nature more.
Who the f goes on a trail to enjoy nature ? 😂
can you point me in the right direction for a mid drive diy full suspension frame? Im not interested in hub motor setup
Hi Ladislav, thanks for sharing this info. Your DIY bike is great and far better than my Cyberchopper haha.
I bought a Sur ron, and built a Trek 820 with a BBS02 to stay incognito. The donor was free, and I already had a 48v 10ah battery that I bought for a scooter. I'm happy with both.
How can I increase the range and decrease the speed? Also what torgue is best for lets say Alpine hills (800m elevation)? Thank you very much,
1 thing i love about the job you did is, the fact that you build it at your own also means you can repair it your own, cous you know all the parts, you can change everything and the only thing you have to do is buy new parts, and that can save you a lot of money, BUT its time you need, and not everyone want to spend that... so yea.
Hi, you can ship the bike to Brazil?
Everything is clear! Like your videos!!!
In the USA most states will let you make the DIY one road legal. You just apply for a custome VIN which take some time and paperwork but seems worth it.
Class video dude 👍
What do you think about greyp g12s?
soon done with my 15kw stealth bomber diy :D love the power , gonna post video soon
Yes plx! I'm thinking about their F-37 single track.
Hey so i know your in Europe are there any places you know in the USA that i can purchase your DYI bike completely constructed or semi constructed. I live in a urban area that i do not have access to a garage to carry out the construction. I have followed you on this channel and now looking to either try and construct one or purchase one of yours. Thanks
Hi from San Francisco. I like your vids and would like to build my own ebike. Are you offering any discounts or coupon codes when ordering the plans and videos from your website?
Thanks for the video Ladislav.
what phone holder you using ?
Ladi, you need to cover the whole market. There are people out there who live in high rise apartments. I am sure they prefer the option of taking the battery out and charge it in their house.
Hey fellow Rider, lol! I would like to congratulate you for your comparison between a "Sur_Ron" and a super powerful eBike like I also have and that I also ridden myself, which is more commonly called: "Bomber" or "Speed bike" You explain very well the differences but also for everyone: the advantages and disadvantages, and it's very good to have done it, because even if now, we are finally starting to see a lot of videos on TH-cam about all these 2 electric wheels plus or less powerful and versatile, there are still not enough specific tutorials for these wonderful machines that respect the environment, and I know what I'm talking about, because I have done more than 16 years of large displacement thermal and unbridled, and God knows it was still quite polluting but also very noisy, and there, with my Bomber which has a non-reduced wheel motor, which is a delight and ultra-silent, I don't disturb nature, I don't pollute not and makes almost no noise, just a slight hiss and I can even hear the birds while driving in the forest, for example, and that's really pleasant.
And so going back to the differences, this Sur-Ron which is really more of a very light little enduro bike and really goes everywhere and can even get over big obstacles like big rocks, kind of like a trials bike, is really made for me as far as size is concerned, because I am 1.71 m tall and as you say: the fact that the engine is central, it is ideal for the balance of this bike and for making jumps , in particular, but as I have no off-road experience and I am 59 years old, I do not drive like a madman on extremely degraded soils like those encountered in the undergrowth, on the other hand as I like the speeds and the super accelerations, I chose to build myself a Bomber for which I took a lot of time to choose all my parts and accessories while looking for the best quality / price ratio as for my battery, he is a specialist French, Josselin of "battery-concept" who made it to me, certainly it cost me more than my Bomber, that is to say 2600 euros, (but it is a 53 Ah and 72 Volts nominal of course with a quality bms which makes 100 A in discharge but I would have liked 150 A like my sabvoton controller and 50 At max load, and with new Samsung 18650 cells which are lighter and therefore it weighs only 16.5 kg when it should have weighed between 20 and 22 kg) and my Bomber: 2500 euros for a total of 5100 euros, which is not expensive, because in France, just a 50 cm3 thermal scooter costs between around 2000 and 3500 or even 4000 euros. So let's not talk about the 125 cm3 of which my Bomber is the equivalent, because I have a wheel motor of 8 Kw nominal and 12 Kw peak and it goes up to 98 km/h in top speed with a 0 to 100 km/ h in about 9 to 10 seconds, but it is given by the manufacturer for 110 km/h, it weighs 80 kg and I weigh 78. Certainly it will always be less agile and will not be able to really go anywhere to climb large obstacles as can the "Sur-Ron", But frankly, despite its weight, and that its motor is wound in 3.5 T therefore does more for speed on asphalt than for off-road and the motor wheel which weighs 24, 2 kg, I go over extremely rough terrain very easily and at high speed if I want to, and it climbs all kinds of rails and very steep hills, with disconcerting ease, lol! moreover, as I have the regeneration which I have adjusted well, not only during braking but also when releasing the gas grip which I have added in the advanced parameters via Bluetooth and the "MQCON" application and well I I have a strong but not violent engine brake which allows me not only to considerably improve my emergency braking, if necessary, but also on very steep descents, like more than 8% it brakes on its own and I am even forced to accelerate to make him regain speed, here, I think the Sur-Ron does not have it. Going back to the size, being not very tall I made the mistake of taking a 21" rear rim and I should have taken the same diameter as the front wheel, so a 19" because I had to drill holes for fixing the saddle support to put it lower, because my feet did not touch the ground and I thought that with a big wheel I would have a better top speed, but no, I always rode max at 98 km/h GPS counter so real speed. But my battery, when I disconnect it from the charger, always goes down from 84 to 82.5 Volts, so I'm missing some volts, maybe that's why it doesn't go up to 110 km/h. For the suspensions, I have DNM so pneumatic and when they are well adjusted, it's a treat of softness and efficiency, what happiness, I always have trouble getting off, lol! If you are curious like me, go see my videos and subscribe to my channel.
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Can u show me your engine batt and where to buy
Hi where can you get the kid for the diy ebike you’ve got like the frame and motors and all other parts or can you buy them complete? Regards
Can you look in to the outsider edike? I would like to hear your thoughts on that. Thank you.
Yeah its great but you gotta get your middrive on bro . Lots of advantages. Just make one out of a smaller hub motor .
Excellent Video and I also learn some new knowledge .
I LOVE THE ACCENT , WORSE THAN MINE, ITS GREAT, MY CHANNEL NOT AS BIG BUT I LOVE WHAT YOU ARE DOING , I SUBSCRIBED !
Some batteries don’t like to be drained. What is the lower % it can go to? Also what is the weight capacity. I want to carry a back pack too.
Any Cheaper options for a road legal one
Good video. I prefer mid drives for acceleration and you can gear it for your needs. I'm starting to think about putting a big mid drive motor to a bomber frame and just taking off the pedals. Look at the drill one for example.. btw Ladi I love that neon yellow skeletonized tube frame you built in the background of this video, I'll bet it's light
What kind of hub you use?
Opinions on 'Stealth EBike' specifically the F-37 Single track?
What motor and battery kit ect and where can i buy it please im in australia whats the cost
Well I bought my surron for 2800 dollars from russia. I don't know why anyone with half a brain would buy it from those greedy resellers in europe.
But I personally I don't know which one I would choose if I were buying my first ebike. Maybe surron is easier and there are tons of videos about it etc. And it has a great upgrade path as you show in the video.
Well, to import bike from Russia to EU you must add to your purchasing price VAT and TAX. That is approx. 21% VAT and 5-8% of tax. And surprisingly you end with 3600 USD. So why don´t buy it even cheaper directly in China then?
@@Marek-qj8fj I haven't seen it any cheaper than 2800usd even from china. Please send me a link if you can find it cheaper. And you must remember the taxes are insane from china if you live in europe.
I live near the border of russia so I can just order products to a post office in there and pick it up and no taxes or VAT for me :D
Edit: There is no reseller in europe that sells surrons anywhere close to 3600usd and that was my point. Not comparing to us market
Do you have a link for where you bought it from.
@@regineauxrheinkreuzer258 it was bought with the help of dan orlov. But surronrussia has them sale for about the same price anyway.
@@BossManaatti Thanks!
Ladi, I love this idea, but I am under 5' tall. Can a DIY work scaled for a to smaller person?
Hello ladi how much would this bike cost for you or one of your friends in Europe to build an send to the uk please ?
Hi, it’s €4000
love watching your videos , can this be made street legal for uk ?
Is your eBike v4.2 waterproof? If not, can i build one with your parts list supplied without compromising to performance, etc? I love your idea and want to build one, but i NEED it to be WATERPROOF.
It's obvious this guy is the "Albert Einstein" of the electric bike's because his research and the "Robin Hood" for people like me who want the best I can have for my dollar; because I'm not rich. Thank You Man! I'm gonna buy from you soon, that's for sure.
Thanks mate, that’s nice to say!
Hii.a great fan of your work on e bike...can you make a full video describing each and every components and how and why to choose those components... please
the yellow and black one in the background is awesome watched a video on that one.
6:38 Replaceable battery is important for urban uses and thats a great advantage over e-cars. Take the battery out, carry it into the apartment and charge it there. Only a few people living in cities have the possibility to charge their bikes or cars outside the apartment.
Thanks so much for making this. Just influenced me to build a bike instead of buying one. Used to build gas powered bikes and excited to make the jump.
Hope you do jeffrey, i got a feeling this is going to get big one day.
I wish I could give this video a three thumbs up! You make a lot of really good points.
Thanks Rick, staying objective is my lifetime goal 👍
Do you have the a list of parts you got for your bike cause I’m a pretty tall guy as well and want to put one together
Yes, at MySuperEbike.com
would you need a bike licence for these in the uk?
i would like to learn how to do this. i believe the Ebikes are the next revolution to out doors enjoyment.
Maybe I overlooked it, what size are the rims/tires?
19”
Is the actual motor from the diy really 13kw or is that because of the 82 v
It's actually 13kw peaks way higher
So I'm considering your parts list and video guides. I have some questions though... where does the frame, head tube and rear triangle come from? The frame kinda looks self made out of square tubing, welded together. Which is fine, I just need to know that going in. The head tube would prove the most difficult to make yourself, especially if it's welded to your DIY frame, unless your frame is aluminum. Because there aren't too many easily sourced steel head tubes that are compatible with MTB steer tubes and their associated bearings and rings.
This frame comes in a box with headset, plastic panels, swing arm and all the bolts you need. Ships globally.
In your comparisons, are you considering the cost of the bike in your DIY version? The shocks, handle bars, seat etc. Is that included in the $3600? Thx again, great video! New sub. Do you ship to U.S.?
Yes, all included of course.
My question is what IF we're shorter like 5' 7" or 5' 9" Is there a frame size to accommodate us?
yeah shorter paddles. shorter handlebars, off you go! cheers
@@grandmaster-grouch lmao thank you sir
Smaller wheels too
What about 5’
@@qandq1300 im afraid theres no solution for 5fters.. jp! lol my wife is 5' yes theres a solution. you need to go to a specialist and get measured like you would for a fitted suit. cheers
did you use 19” rim or 21” rim for diy ebike? I am also tall
Where do I get the parts for this bike please
do you have any issues with police with these on the road/public?I know they are not Legal, but in your experience
Can you talk about how much battery power you need if you plan on taking an ebike while traveling and living in a van!?
hey depend on how far and how fast you want to go
how far how fast?
@Robin you need HOBOTECH’s channel. He does exactly what you’re planning. Have wicked fun!
Thank you for your video. I was looking into buying one of these ebikes, but you make a good.point on building your own ebike. I was wondering do you have any how to videos on building these bikes from start to finish?
Again, thank you for this video. Great points you made.
MySuperEbike.com
Ive got the same rear wheel on my ebike! if that was a 1500w hub motor with Chinese RED/Violet color! :-) and yes good video
Great job👍
Excellent video I'm 66 years old and I can't wait to get my bike. I've spent hours and hours and hours on TH-cam checking out all that I can. I started out thinking the best way to do it would be a conversion kit. Then I ended up looking at everything in between. I'm back to thinking building my own would be the best way to go. How is it that delfast 3.0 can claim they get a 200 mile range? is it because they use really really big batteries?
No, it’s only because it’s very vague number. It means you would need to ride like 5kmh, no wind, 50kg rider, perfect road, street tires etc. realistic will be 60km range.
how can i get the cyber bike if i stay in us...🤔
im 190cm tall and 110kg weight, is ur bike ok for me?
Thanks Ladi!!!
👍 Good video! Thank you!
Shop link of the battery please
good video your bike good design, where is your country looks good also
But how do they hold up to my crf 450r lol jus jk really in the market to get in this field would like to build a nice one to drive were my motocross is not aloud, if it got pedals and isnt loud the police will not bother you in my part of Canada this would be perfect, thanks for this info friend great content ('o')/
You people out there need to listen to this guy he cuts to the chase and Lay's it down straight forward all numbers involved. It's nice to hear intelligence for a change It's refreshing a regular gift to my ears. Also in a survival situation you can always use solar or natural gas or wind to recharge anything to spin an alternator out of a junk vehicle or a tank full of grape 🍇 juice to make a battery 🔋 even Gilligan could do that. Batteries can charge batteries.
How much u charge for your bikes I'm in United States
Where can I buy this style bike I like it more than sur on
what do you think about the 18kw bike from cyclone e-bikes?
Better to go mid drive with heavier and more powerful bikes
@@ladiandmargaret i was thinking about buying this 18kw bike, emailing the guy right now actually. is this a good deal? th-cam.com/video/n4r3SUVCJAg/w-d-xo.html
can you instal mid-drive motor and not the hub motor ?
yes, this is possible. I have seen it done with the enduro diy frame
To be fair, the Sur Ron sounds SWEET. A lot of people don't like motor whine, but no matter how loud it is, it'll never be louder than dirt.
Loud electric motors sound the way I'd expect futuristic motorcycles to sound.
Sur Rons also supposedly increased their range/speed.
what is the front fork specification? looks expensive...
200mm DH fork. DMN usd-8
Do you sell the cyber bike frame by itself?
Yes!
A lot of great useful information. Could it be to mechanical vehicles improve quite quickly over time. To get away from a chain sprocket noise Grease is huge I've have a cheap China chain driven side mount motor kit on my fat bike a lot of maintenance with 2 chains running about 3/8 of an inch apart I just happy to get it together baby steps I like your philosophy Dennis
Can you make a video how to get registration for your DIY ebike in Europe? Because most people say that you'll need round 5k for an individual registration and nobody can afford that.
I wish to know. I haven’t done any research yet.
Will a 1000w motor in a bike
be enough in a hill
Is ebike 4.2 waterproof? :D
Have you ever built a sur ron x battery?
Nice looking ebike. The specs. look great. In the US, we only have 110V, so would charge time be 2x? With such a rapid charge, would battery life be reduced? Do you have 3D .stl models to make the side covers rather than molding them? It would be great to sell and ship a kit.
The frame with side panels comes in a box from a supplier. No need to make side panels. Charging is still 1500W even on 110V. The battery is purposely designed for high current so it doesn’t wear off any faster.
@@ladiandmargaret that's just shy of 14 amps so not that bad. Is that peak or nominal power?!
forgot to throw in the cost of the bike on the dyi. good mtb cost 1000 on up.
Bomber frame max 500.
@@oahu7873 Just got mine 300$
I like the motocross seat on the Sur Ron aside from that your bike is superior. That could end up in a build. I was looking into the Onyx ebike but this seems the best. What is your opinion on the Onyx? I've gotten rid of motorcycles now 3 months with nothing I need a fast long range ebike to travel in my Transit Connect . Motorcycles are too much to lug around. I need on and off road capability. Thanks mate.
Check out LMX 161-H. Lightweight, though battery should be bigger. You can always buy a second one :D It is hot swappable.
Also, you should think about Zero FX as it is about the same price.
I've watched the ebike scene back when they were all just DIY garage projects with bikes, hub motors, and lipos in a carry bag. And it was great to see over the years ebikes getting more serious and people coming out with real frames with battery compartments made for ebikes. When Sur Ron came out, it finally felt like a real company decided to design a professional ebike for the masses, which is what they did. You cant make that Surron frame from simple welds, you need industrial machines that ordinary mom and pop shop companies cannot afford, let alone replicate. And you see that level of quality throughout the bike. Even for DIY'ers its an excellent base platform to start with. I just wish they had a bigger battery compartment for more range.
For the price, Surron has basically set the new norm, and in order to compete you need a corporation with deep pockets to produce a similar ebike. DIY ebike companies just have to carve out their own niche within the ebike scene and focus on that, but for the general public who are looking for a serious ebike at a sensible price Sur ron is pretty much it for now.
11:29 -- As a Texan, I understood you perfectly. ;)
Sadly in Texas the sur ron is illegal because it goes faster than 20 mph
Question, are you building your own battery for your bike? Great video, been enjoying watching them.
Yes I do. You can also purchase finished one.
Ladislav Jecminek thanks, what are you using for your spot welder for doing that.
Diy spot welder