Prison for Punishment, Not Rehabilitation
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As a victim of crime, I support Rehabilitation as necessary to protect the victims. Refusing to rehabilitate the criminal places too much of a burden on the victim of crime; this is very similar to harassment in schools in which the victim will be referred to counseling to try to change or toughen up the victim, but the bully doesnt have to get treatment to stop harming others.
Where do you live?
In my country bullies are getting lectured and punished and victims are supported.
And, of what crime are you victim?
@@artursgabrusevs5153 I live in the US; I was a victim of theft, violence, sex abuse, harassment, etc
@@jshir17
Considering that you still want for rapists to be rehabilitated? Why? I was was a victim of a crime and all I want is for that bastard to be sentenced to death.
@@artursgabrusevs5153 Because redemption exists and is real.
@@billybob4532 Prove!
Prison is about teaching the imprisoned to become better criminals. That's all they learn in prison. How to be a more proficient criminal. How to be a more vicious animal.
Learn English With Me you can’t change without proper programs. How can you change in prison? There’s no way to do it because nobody can guide you in the right direction
preach
If a person who killed or raped doesn't feel any guilt of what he is done and thinks how to become better criminal then he's no longer human just an animal.
@@artursgabrusevs5153 They never got the chance to feel empathy.Somebody has to teach them how to be good they can't just become good on their own
@@philspyrou8221
And why they can't become good on their own? I did so I don't see the problem. I never had parents who cared about me or anyone else who could teach me how to be a good person. So I learned myself. I created a code of honor to which I follow to this day because it is my choice to be a better person. And those who are in prison did their choice to follow short and easy path. And here is the truth - short path is a dark one to be a noble person you must take long path full of suffering because right choices are not the easy ones.
In conclusion they all had a choice to be good but they didn't want all the difficulties that comes with right choices so they chose to go the easy way out. For example you can work to earn money but it is hard so lazy people decides to steal because it's easier. And I know plenty of people like me who learned to be honorable without anyone's help. This life isn't for weak people who choosed to go for a crime you must be strong to have honor and for your strength you will be praised and people will admire your choice.
Prison should be more rehabilitative than punitive. It depends on the offenders personal factor and aggravating factor.
I think education and rehabilitation should be first in prison and punishment should only taking their freedom away for appropriate amount of period. This is my personal opinion btw.
If you want to change a person torture is a requirement.
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Prison SHOULD be focused on rehabilitation, not incarceration. There is no reason to give up on someone and lock them up forever, while using our tax money to add to their misery... our tax money should recover those individuals to become better. Most criminals have mental deficiencies, or brain damage, or were raised in an unhealthy environment. There are ways to treat these things. The crimes themselves AREN'T the root of the problem. If we want any hope of getting at the root, we should ask ourselves what makes someone a criminal.
To lock someone up for life because of "justice", or "revenge", is brutal, stone age thinking that will be laughed at generations from now; the same way we look at slavery today.
Joseph Shatrowsky no.
hey buddy ima use this in my speech for my speech class thanks
world need more people like you. only mercy can end devil, no violation can.
If you lack the knowledge of what is right and wrong. Will you feel that your doing something wrong and even if you didn't know that? It's like throwing your child in the room and locking them up forgetting about them for years not even trying to show them how to become a better person even use their own rational thinking which clearly shows that we don't for some reason find that ability to have think rational than being emotional becoming more irrational (In the USA). Instead all the child will learn is feel and think about is more anger and to people that punish him than what they learn of what they done. (I for sure know how that feels.) If you don't show your child how to be better person then nothing of that person's behavior will ever change. (If you never been grounded and got your self lock in your room for while and your parents never show you a way or better then you understand why rehabilitation is important.)
@@CrimsonThunderSB theoretically yes if done correctly
Do you know how many people go to jail for petty crimes and are first time offenders? do you know they sit in prison because they can't afford lawyers and once they come home from jail, they actually come home as a criminal and a smarter criminal. Prison is to punish but also rehabilitate. If there's someone in jail and isn't doing a life sentence, he or she has to come back into the world prepared and able to manage. If the prison doesn't rehabilitate, they come home and end up back in jail because they have been sheltered/ isolated and they can't manage in the world because they've been away from it for too long.
Nobody wants to hire someone who has a criminal record though. Its a perpetual punishment, a revolving door. Can't get employment, can't get housing. So the only solution is to commit more crime. Landing them back in prison. Its said that people have paid their debt to society after they are released from prison. But this couldn't be further from the truth. After release, they are still punished. Places like California have a limit on how far back they can go on a background check, which is 7 years. If someone has been out of trouble for 7 years says a lot about their track record. How long is long enough to prove that a person deserves to work with gainful employment like everyone else?
Wow. It makes me shake my head about this poor country. We are in a worse and hopeless situation now than when this speech was made.
People need to understand cause and effect. If you wrong a wrong doer wrong will come out of it. People need to stop having this notion of "justice" or "fairness" If you kill a murderer you will get more murderers. "justice" has the same meaning as "revenge" and "revenge" is one of the greatest evils in the world.
The difference between revenge and justice tho, is that revenge is all about "getting even" while justice is basically just punishing people to stop doing crime. And well, even tho justice can be done through revenge, its still not the same. Since the "punishment" that is done to achieve justice, *does not have to be as severe as the crime the wrongdoer committed as long as it stops the wrongdoer from doing wrong*, while revenge is all about giving a punishment that is at least as severe as the crime in question.
The system is mainly based on a primal need for vengeance and retribution sadly not the science of human behaviour and evidence of a restorative based system and it’s progressive impact on all human culture. The most dangerous in terms of actual violence like fighting killing shooting and such should obviously be contained potentially indefinitely if they can’t be cured by medical means both at a neurological and psychiatric level but most need help and intervention not cultural norms involving being shunned, hated and feared for no reason by society etc
Being deprived of liberty is a punishment in itself for a convicted felon. It is in the interest of society that rehabilitation of these people is undertaken to reduce the risk that when they leave prison, they commit a crime again. Whether this can be done on a cost-effective basis so that prisoners pay for the cost of their imprisonment may be difficult. What is important is that prisoners are helped towards a productive life after doing time.
As far as I'm concerned, the punishment idea and mindset is archaic, immature (like most of the criminals), and part of the problem...-A throwback to the Dark Ages.. Might as well declare the Earth flat.
Carl Lelandt
So you are saying that punishing people for breaking the law is stupid? Come on, seriously!
Ryack... Looks more like an extremely expensive carnival f*ck fest with some drugs thrown in on the side, to me.
The notion of still using punishment on humans is a part of the archaic past that is still around today. "Sentenced to rehabilitation" (not through confinement in little cells etc) should be the future. There are psychological causes that lead people to do wrong, this is what psychology is trying to tell us, but the governments won't listen.
A psychologist once wrote "What psychology has taught me is that humans are not entirely responsible for their actions. But for there to be order, for now, they must become victims of the law". Pretty striking if you ask me.
prison itself is the punishment. you do not further punish a person once they are in there. your logic is to punish a person then release them the the public and expect them not to commit any more crimes
zero apologies if I'm misunderstanding your statement but it sounds like you missed the point prisons actually cause people to cause more crime after release its very counter productive.
With rehabilitation there has to be punishment aka loss of libraty nothing more nothing less
I think Norway has done the right thing
Criminals should get both Punishment and Rehabilitation, but not at the same time.
During their punishment it should be shorter but more spartan with less inmate interaction, virtually no contact with the outside.
When their sentence is complete then a period of rehabilitation is commenced where they are held in less secure quarters, work training, classes, correspondence with their families, limited internet use, TV etc, all carefully monitored by the institution to assess their readiness.
If they are still a danger, back to the punishment they go.
What about murders and rapists
AMEN.......carma will get the man/woman who thinks pure punishment is the way to rehabilitate.. ..people must be encouraged,shown how to be...not tortured and taught how to be criminals as the Prisons do!
Beckys Botonicles karma is a cancerous way to explain mere coincidence.
Prisons have shown not to deter criminals so we shouldn't have prisons at all, just let people kill and do what they need to do, or if you try to make things right, by making things fair, that's Revenge, and that's bad.
If a man rapes a small child and sets fire to a victim to hide the evidence, then he deserves a second chance to change. Of course, his victim will never get that chance, but I guess the damage has been done right, shes already dead so it doesn't matter.
Besides if you PUNISH him your just as bad as the rapist/murderer. It's unintelligent to Punish people who know full well the difference between right and wrong and CHOOSE to do wrong anyway.
Because Evil doesn't exist, everyone that commits a crime or does evil is actually just misinformed, dumb or really crazy because only sane people are good, and who you are should never be judged by what you say or what you do because Humans are not entirely responsible for their actions, then who is?? Nobody knows!
Nationalist Romania , the land of Ion Antonescu you do realize the poster was being sarcastic right?
I don't think anyone's asking them not to be punished the way I see it criminals regardless of what they do deserve to be helped. I'm not saying to simply set them free on the world to reign havoc and hurt people they have commited many horrible crimes in the past however I have to ask what would be more productive throwing them in A cell and throwing away the key or reforming them as best we can and setting rules and regulations they need to follow and allow them enough freedom to use A proper legal and ethical talent they posses or learn in order to actually help humanity instead of rotting in A cell for most if not all of their lives either because of A few bad decisions with that said we have no way of really helping those with severe mental problems such as the psychopaths and sociopaths that don't blend in so well will be an issue I admit it would be rather difficult to talk one of them in to not killing dozens of people every few months...I guess we can hope for technology to catch up sooner rather than later normally I'm against the idea of changing what could be considered the core of ones being but we may not have A choice.
Evil does exist. I don't think that murderers, rapists, etc. should be given second chances. They are simply evil and dangerous, and should be kept away from the public where they can't hurt anybody. Sentencing a murderer to a lifetime in prison doesn't make the judge worse than the suspect, that is a complete over-exaggeration. But I don't think we should punish them, now that is evil in my book.
Sarcasm is sadly a lost concept on some.
You can say that when you and your family have been terrorised by gangs for two years!
I would love to see you 'encourage' some of the evil yobs who blight lives here in the UK. These people are given chance after chance to change their lives. They have zero sympathy from me.
If you had your way, the situation would be even worse. Criminals would literally be allowed to do as they please.
And for the record I oppose actual torture- prison is incarceration not torture.
Just because some people don't get rehabilitated dosent mean all of them can't
If people wouldn't commit crimes, then there wouldn't be a need of prisons. But, there are a lot of ignorant people in this world. 2.2 million ignorant people to be exact.
Mandy Powell I don't think it's usually A question of ignorance in this instance. Unless your implying they don't know what the laws arenwhich I'm quite sure most of them do many are just people that either couldn't find A way out of A given situation or didn't know how to do anything else or both many of them also have mental disorders that could be either cured or reduced in extremity by medication or therapy its not out of the question that A good portion of them may be very difficult to treat some may be impossible to help with our current technology but personally I'm holding out hope that in the next decade or so that may change given nanotech and DNA changing tools like crispr. :)
We shouldn't just punish criminals, but rather lower crime rates because we can't just completely eliminate all crimes. People will still do crimes despite anything. That's why we should make prisons as a place of rehabilitation, not just a place for punishment. It seems 'impossible' to rehabilitate child rapists and serial killers, but rehabilitation is still effective and it's worth rehabilitating them. It's just very hard to rehabilitate these criminals because not all of these criminals feel guilty and remorse, and have the urge to be rehabilitated.
Punishment - nothing learnt.
Rehabilitation - pretty much things learnt.
Does this also apply to all or just a few, does this also includes those who are medically compromised also? It is important to be clear on what is being referred to. It is important also to separate human and animal, it is clear that many do not see a difference.this will definitely be clear if the shoe was on the other foot.
If one is asking for separatism we are on our way to becoming just that.
Interesting his comparison of the American prison system to the "free world version of the gulag" and "slavery of the great democratic experiment", psychological rehabilitation is very important but is only suitable on an individual basis some offenders are not ready for integration back into civil society unless a radical cognitive change takes place, imo tier level social communities should be encourage within the prison system that replicate communities on the outside helping offenders to adjust to "normal life" without the requirement to re-offend giving the "criminal" feasible alternative routes to take rather than resorting to repeating old habits that only serve to encourage and perpetuate the continuation of anti social behavior. In its current form the prison system fails badly because of its bureaucratic inability to think outside the box and see the bigger picture. What we do have is serious "failure to communicate" basic principles of psychological human behavior and translate them into real life settings within the system that can help reform institutional rehabilitation and encourage the ability of the system to create citizens who are able to navigate society in a peaceful law abiding way.
Isnt punishment already technically rehab?
Explains the rise of this Supermax culture.
Prison is for profit.
A good idea would be to base it on the Borstal system.
So the justice system be like "do what thou will".
Maybe after this yall should rewards those criminal or maybe just give them a tickets. Don't judge, don't punish, just love those criminal and accept your (victims) fate. 🤣🤣🤣
When are the left going to understand that punishment is a necessary part of justice?
Yes, rehabilitation and tackling root causes are also important but punishment is about the basic principle of fairness.
Centrist Philosopher The punishment should be separation from society and loss of freedom, though this is mostly for safety reasons.
What is fairness? Is it fair to give up on someone that may have mental disorders, and use our taxpayer money to keep them in misery for the rest of their life? Or we could use our money to bring this person into civilization again? Eye for an eye thinking makes us blind.
So, the system must appease feelings rather than producing better practical results in the sense of rehabilitation. Yeah, pretty much a reasonable rational philosophy.
Yes the system must appease feelings. It's part of the states responsibility to punish people so the average person doesn't do so. Here in Denmark we have failed that responsibility which is extremely hurtful to society.
Joseph Shatrowsky they are a lost cause. They should be put down.
You seem to know a lot about this. Have you been in prison before? Do you have first hand experience with prison?
The issue here is not about prison but about how prison is managed.
For those of you who think that arsonists, rapists, gang leaders and others guilty of serious, destructive crimes- should be free then I say you are either delusional or criminals yourselves.
Of course prison can improve but abolishing it would clearly be insane.
When are apologists for criminals going to understand the basic principle of FAIRNESS
Thank you. I was starting to think I was the only one using logical sense in this comment section.
@Ralph america may make up 25% of the world's population but those stats are bs considering over 1/2 of the world's countries are corrupt and let criminals roam free. Do you think people like rebels in the Congo. Isis members in the middle East and cartel members are being imprisoned?
Comecto india and see
With or without prisons we should rehabilitate offenders but they should have no say over their rehabilitation, its not an opt in module! and it would require lots and lots of hard work.
But it is also very important for the rest of us to see that there is a severe punishment awaiting the guilty.
I see no punishment except loss of free movement. Its expensive to jail people so we might as well put them to work. At least make them pay the cost of their upkeep and rehabilitation.
I don't fucking care about low recidivism or rehabilitation, I just want revenge. thats the point of prisons.
and thats also why there is chaos on this pleat. for people that think the same as you.
Enjoy paying $40,000 a year per prisoner for this prison/profit system. I guess you like your stuff getting stolen? because that's what criminals do, unless they decide to stop committing such acts.
Revenge sux tho, since it would only make other people to have revenge back.... Which will just continue as long more people supports revenge.
The point of prisons is to make people think twice about committing crime, it is also punishment and it is rehabilitation.
Idolcruisefix But the problem with most prisons is that most of them tend to fail on rehabilitating the criminal. With the reason for their failure usually either being; "there wasn't enough discipline ", or because "the conditions were just too harsh for the prisoners to stay sane".
Incapacitation is what we need in the case of the 45th ‘POTUS’.
Maybe he can be rehabilitated, but he needs to be cut off from the rest of the species in solitary confinement. He’s a menace to society in a vastly different way than any “regular” person could ~ever~ be.
Adding this to my “hope” playlist (among others). 🧩✌🏼