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It’s so interesting that you brought up alchemy, it’s a great metaphor but I don’t think it’s exactly right. Taking some that can be risky and using to propel you forward is engineering and art.
I always tell young guys to start weight lifting if they aren't already. The sedentary life will just depress you and eventually kill you if you don't do something about it. Weight lifting is one of the best things you can do for your mental health.
Lifting weights is fine. But I believe that young men need to embrace physical activity in as many venues as possible. Look at the older men who are in shape and have never been to a gym. They cut grass, shovel snow, chop wood, walk everywhere, stand more, and carry more stuff. Young men yes lift weights but make moving a lifestyle. Stop sitting and eating crap.
For me it is running. Finally took it up at 31, best thing i've ever done for myself. I recently started doing 10-20 pushups a day as well to help build some muscle.
Larry Cullen said it best. "A man must be strong enough to be gentle." Larry Cullen is a Marine and his brother, Peter Cullen, used him as inspiration for the voice of Optimus Prime.
Best advice I ever got was from my best friends father, who was far more masculine than my own. One day when we were like 11 my friend ran to his mom after his father told him no about something, 10 minutes later he has a sitdown with us and said when we got older "NO ONE IS GOING TO COME SAVE YOU", your mother wont always be there for you. And he was damn right
There’s this one dude I know and he’s really good with cars. One of the most masculine dudes I know and he doesn’t even act like a hard ass he’s just a reliable ass dude
Masculinity doesn’t mean you’re tough or can fight. Separate concepts. I can ragdoll some of my more masculine friends who work in trades and are frankly more masculine than me. But I’m tougher and a better fighter, more athletic and explosive. It’s a different thing.
i'm 41 and i've been struggling with shyness, insecurity, relationships with women and lack of purpose in life. My job (physio) really helped me feel useful for other people. Something i'm working on: - Take care of my body (strenght training) - find hobbies, learn new stuff - Don't be afraid of failures. We all grow and learn from failures - Stop listening to toxic feminists blaming all men. Thanks for such contenents.
What about God? Invite Christ in your heart, mind, body, soul. Don't be afraid. Jesus is perfect role model for virtues - especially when daily life is a struggle (and it is)!
Not everytime a man has to lead. Sometimes a man has to follow & learn to gain the necessary knowledge to master his ability to lead. Also, sometimes it's best to pretend & lay low to allow another person 'to lead' 👀. I'll say the ultimate value for a man is to focus on building his wisdom & self-confidence
Just remember that there is no success without sacrifice. I learned that from the book called 'Casanovareads: The Path To Success And Love'. Since I read that book I only think about money, fame and success. It addresses every aspect of man's life: relationships, dating life, fashion, grooming, modern masculinity, success... Writer gives you key tips and tricks on how to excel in every area of your life. You will need to put in some hard work of course, but nothing valuable comes easy in this life.
The advice to young men is that society (especially culture and education) DOES NOT have your best interest in mind. Don't trust their advice. It is meant to make the world better for other people, not you.
Good comment. In my day, college didn’t mean you’d leave it with this mindset that we see now. The devaluation of the importance of fathers has been a disaster.
The sooner you understand that most people will either want you to do something to benefit them or society or a company, and not because it'll help you, the better. I've had too many 'friends' at work who ghosted me as soon as I left for me to have a "we're brothers in arms" attitude at work. That boss who is motivating you to be your best usually only wants your best while you are at work.
We don't have to redefine anything. People understood just fine what positive masculinity was before feminism existed. Look at the characters in the LOTR as an example.
The way you described transforming aggression and competitiveness into positive energy resonates with the fundamental attribution error. I’ve seen clients who, when faced with their own aggressive tendencies, assumed they were simply “bad” people, instead of realizing it was how they were channeling their energy that mattered. Once we worked on redirecting that aggression toward personal growth and success, they began thriving. Your focus on using discipline and channeling masculine energy for good is exactly the kind of advice young men need to redefine their path. This video was truly inspiring!
Something we really need to acknowledge is that we have a shortage of good people. You don't produce bad daughters without bad fathers and bad mothers. In turn, we've produced an equally abhorrent generation of young men. Demand is high for good people, but it feels impossible because the supply is extremely low.
I've seen really good loving parents produce one or more rotten kids. I've seen worthless drug addicted parents have kids that grow up to be responsible and successful. No one size fits all.
@@CorinthianIvory An illusion of human behavior; no offense. A good community is produced by good micro-behaviors. When the world starts to upend; it's because the average person is making daily decisions that make it worse. Popularity and influence have a much smaller effect on civilization than you think. You have to manifest that behavior yourself and others have to mirror it.
The word you're looking for around 5:00 is 'refinement', in the sense of converting ore to metal. It's multiple stages of washing or burning away contaminants to concentrate the valuable part.
There is also toxic femininity. My mother was a perfect example. Talk about abusive. I'm proud to be masculine. Most women love masculinity. To hell with toxic feminism.
As a daughter of an abusive mother, I concur. However the other toxic femininity is the one I developed in response to that abuse - people pleasing. That Goldilocks zone of balance between love of others and love for oneself, of respect for others and respect for oneself - that’s the personal strength for men and women alike.
@@Paradox444stargreat self awareness. I think TRULY respecting/loving yourself will translate to true respect/love for others, and not just people you care about personally but as a whole. I'm still learning my own way too though
@@MoWooWhen a child goes to their mother looking for advice, and the mother only criticizes and humiliates the child. When the mother tells her daughter that the school bullies are right, you are fat and stupid. When mom tells her daughter that her boyfriend doesn't love her because hes too good for her. Too good looking for the daughter. When mom belittles daughters accomplishments like getting a job or moving into a new apartment. When mom makes daughter feel like her accomplishments aren't worth celebrating. I watched my mom do all these and more to my sister. She was a jealous, bitter woman, my mother. My sister suffers the consequences of this stuff today and shes nearly 50 years old. She has zero confidence in herself, terrible anxiety, and a real fear of rejection. Toxic femininity is common, but goes unnoticed because its rarely violent.
That women are especially compassionate is a myth. They just tend to be more agreeable, conformist and go with what they view as the mainstream. «It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers.» ― George Orwell, 1984
@@wolfgangkranek376 Wtf were womn supposed to do? If you are more of the prey than the predator in life you have to have some different types of survival skills. Many womn have gotten away from violent killers by using psychological tactics, “going along” with him, being agreeable to not antagonize him, even telling him she likes him. Whatever she can figure out in order to survive. You have to be much smarter playing defense than offense.
@@wolfgangkranek376 Compassion is learned from early childhood. Theres a window of time in a child’s early life where most personality traits are established. Those first 5 or 6 years. If things are not taught or shown at that time it’s pretty difficult to overcome that.
@@kc6810 You missed the point. And the point is, women are not special in any way. In some regards they are even less trustwothy and honest and more reckless then most men. And yes, it's because of evolution. I don't even blame them. I still like women - thats also evolution. But there is no need to put them on a pedestal. That's reserved for women who have proven their worth in a relationship.
The fact that there's so much content online and so much dialogue around "masculinity" as an "issue" today just tells you how horribly off things are in society. Like, really!? We've come apart so much that this is a subject that needs to be discussed? Wow that's pathetic! Love the work of this channel though! Glad the conversations are at least happening.
This conversation isn’t happening in other countries outside of Britain and America for the most part. So that should tell you something as well. America and Britain has the most amount of grifters and pseudo intellectuals trying to make money off of the mental health issues of the youth and general economic issues.
I have followed the samurai bushido code as my set of guiding principles for 13yrs. now. To me, masculinity isn't about expressing power or wealth. It isn't about how many women you can pull. It's about being merciful, benevolent, honest, having a high sense of self-control, and having a sense of honor. And not necessarily practicing these traits for others, but for yourself.
Mercy is a toy for the self-aggrandizing. Honesty is just lies you're convinced of. Self-control and self delusion often mix in equal measure. Honor is a crude crutch. Systems are like roads. You're not supposed to live on a road, you're supposed to travel it.
I don’t disagree at all, whatsoever. I’m interested how that can apply to, strictly, men and how it it differentiates from women. Aren’t they also able to do those things? If so, what makes men and women different in this context if we can all do those things (re: masculinity)
Watching this mesmerizing video dredges up painful memories of the recent dissolution of my 4 year relationship. The departure of my beloved, the one I adore deeply, has left me in a perpetual state of longing. Despite my tireless attempts at reconciliation, I find myself mired in frustration, unable to shake the persistent thoughts of her. Despite my efforts to move forward, I'm compelled to share my inner turmoil and the overwhelming sense of missing her here .
Letting go of someone you love deeply presents a formidable challenge. I faced a comparable ordeal when my 6 year relationship ended. Refusing to succumb to despair, I relentlessly pursued avenues to reconcile with him. Ultimately, I sought solace and guidance from a spiritual counselor, whose intervention proved instrumental in restoring our connection.
@@WoodnetRonnieBe wary of online solicitation. I will point out one thing Ronnie, your emptiness is the amount of fill up you need from YOU. Just think how long this ex partner has been trying to do this for you. Exhausting.
We’ve abandoned traditions and practices that used to provide an outlet to channel youthful male energy into something positive. It’s no wonder so many young men are feeling directionless today.
For what it's worth, I have not been actively LOOKING FOR sources of "pop culture incorrectly defined 'toxic masculinity'"... and I've not had many negative experiences that have centered around this "hot button topic". Then again, I've curated my online experience to literally block ignorance and block all hateful and spiteful people. Also, (and this part may be quite obvious), I don't watch any "news" or click on any "news websites". It **IS POSSIBLE** to customize your digital environment (and to a lesser extent, your physical one) to remove the ironic toxicity that projects itself into and onto the world and the people around it ❤❤💪💪
You ppl are so lost. Listen to you all worshipping the self. I’ll make this real simple for you guys. Get to know Jesus Christ. “The rest will fall into place”
This is so awesomeee. I have been waiting for an episode with Greene since it was mentioned somewhere he had to cancel and had to be postponed or something 😭☺️
There's a book called Casanova Playbook of Magnetism, and it talks from body language and conversaton starters to dark mind tricks and flirting through texts, it's the real deal
I’m so over this. It’s not about tips and tricks and body language and flirting and communication. Ugh. Stop trying to trick people into believing you’re valuable and become valuable. It just won’t last and you won’t enjoy it if you have to fake it. If you aren’t a charismatic Chad, that’s fine. But you never will be, so stop trying to
One of the biggest aspects to my view of masculinity is being a Gentleman. I don’t care if it’s not en vogue - I won’t abandon it, I believe In it and that’s it
That’s got nothing to do with being masculine or feminine though. Just just called being considerate of others and can exist in both characteristics. People correlate masculinity with romantic traditions but they are not the same
@@averyintelligence Is not having self control a masculine thing. Gentlemen have self control, are respectful of others and self aware, they have principles , they treat women and all people with kindness, they have style and self respect, to name a few of the qualities. What is not masculine about this?
Spiritually, masculine energy is simply energy that is to be EXPRESSED outward into the world. Well-adjusted humans (male, female, other) are a harmonious combination of BOTH masculine + feminine energy. Pedestalizing one over the other is counterproductive. We need BOTH of these energies to live successful and fulfilled lives. The imbalance is what's toxic. The use of any energy in low vibration is what's toxic. Think I might do a video sometime in the future further articulating what masculine energy is and how we might use it productively in our lives. Sounds like a wonderful series/conversation.
Always have your own life is what I learnt the hard way. Be respectful etc of course towards women but always have it in the back of your mind she could suddenly change hers or mess around on you. Seen it happen to family and mates of mine aswell.
The world wants us all weak, cowardly, timid, scared, and selfish. Resist! Grow strong, useful, Godly, generous, loving, and always speak the truth with no fear. Stand Up !
I'm lost. What if I'm aimless in life & don't want to "assert myself" or don't have goals? Just stuck in a golden cage of a good job I hate, a comfortable roof over my head & a nourishing relationship. I'm not sure where to go from here. When you used to ask me 5 years ago - where did I want to be - I named 80% of the things I have, the other 20% I'm either working on, or were unplanned. Where do I go from here on out?
While i get what Robert is doing herein defining negative qualities of masculinity like boasting and so on, i would say that some of these people (if not a lot of them) are not insecure they are simply more self focused than others who have more empathy. It is possible to be very masculine and also be empathic, but similarly it is quite possible to be very masculine and not at all empathic. Like everything people's charateristics are on spectrums between one end of whatever you are looking at and the other.
QUESTION ABOUT DISCIPLINE: Hey Chris! Thank for share this interview! I appreciate a lot. The Law 4 from 33 Strategy of War(The Death Ground) is the Law of the my life. The way how i learned English was exactly the way how Robert learned French. I moved from Brazil to USA and put me in a position where i didn`t have any option about my communication. I needed to learn. Was super hard but i did it. But i believe that this Law is good until you reach a position that you are confortable and you become ok about that. I am working with Sales right now and one thing that i noticed is about consistency. That`s my problem because i don`t believe in Discipline, i believe in Obsession. If i am wrong about that, how to fix my perception and how to become more Disciplined? Thank you!
Chris if you read this, you were on the right path with 'Alchemy'. Read Jung's 'Psychology and Alchemy'. He theorises that the ancient practice of alchemy was in fact their symbolic expression of the path to elevate consciousness and being.
To all the young guys out there put god 1st, get on your grind continue 2 make improvement's on yourself certain things we cant control such as our height but we can control what we put in our bodies become the best version of yourself dont let people take advantages of u n dont be scared of taking chances, dont chase women get on ur grind be humble n put god 1st God bless
One group tells men what they should do. Man up, protect, kill their emotions, provide, live for others. They expect everything but owe men nothing. Second, tell what they can achieve and show what it can be if they don't care and live their lives for themselves to the fullest. I'm struggling to see how the second one is more toxic than the first one.
Selfishness is inherently negative and ultimately unfulfilling. All the, "screw everyone else" and "I'm gonna get mine" slogans sound good and all, but all of it means nothing when you're 60 years old with no kids or grandkids, no legacy and no one who even cares if you wake up tomorrow.
@@jonsnowight9510 I agree. But that's the same for selflessness. We need a middle ground, or men are nothing more than slaves. We can't afford to endorse abusive behavior. Men bowing their heads when society spits on them will only push that spiral of abuse further.
I respect women who deserve respect. Who have earned it by actually conducting themselves respectfully. Unfortunately, that describes fewer and fewer women as time goes on. So, no, it's not toxic masculinity to call out modern women on their awful behavior. Society gave them the benefit of the doubt by default, and they chose to do horrible things with it.
Personally, I don't think it's about respecting " everybody," and it was never like that, It's all about respecting yourself, which reflects on others, and then being smart enough to surround yourself with positive people, which includes men and women. And, of course, respect doesn't mean tolerating bullshit.
Saying it’s fewer and fewer women is crazy. It’s like women saying there’s fewer and fewer good men that don’t cheat. Like oh my god can’t both sides see you all are just a mirror of the other?!
@@TheCryGuy77 exactly And look, at the end with age, people tempt to reduce their circle of friends, and this is normal. So it all depends on what you do where you go and what do you prioritise in your life whether it’s the activities you do and what do you attract. If people attract garbage, well … what can I say, maybe there is a garbage side in them 🤷♂️
This is such a bad take. People should be going through life with the innocent 'til proven guilty mindset. Respect everyone until they lose your respect. This applies to everyone and not just women.
Every man needs to learn to lift weights, learn martial arts, read books, learn how to write, and play an insturment or find an art that is suitable for their own pursuits. Nothing is more profitable and attractive for a man who is passionate about life.
My experience growing up is that, while as a kid I was competitive and I liked to put people down, I was told so many times and gradualy I convinced myselft that it's not right to make other people feel bad, you have to be empathetic. By doing that as teenager it tranformed through the years to conflict avoidance. It doesn't matter if i can overpower somenone or I have all the right by my side, I feel really uncomfortable when someone insults me and my mind does not think of fighting back rather than how quickly can I avoid this situation with as little damage as possible. That has created so many issues with my self-esteem. I try to prove to myself that i can be a tough guy and i just choose not to be, but i'm afraid i've turned myself into a coward.
Funnily enough thats a big message from Christ, which is "have empathy, you could be like them, so if you're not in danger and it's just child's play, let it happen, you're above this" (People misinterpret this to say you have to take abuse, wrong, Christ never did this, in fact he even faced religious leaders during his time head on. Words ? Sure, abuse ? Defend yourself)
I work in a university, a very liberal environment. No body says "masculinity is bad" it's recognized as a trait that people have. This idea that people are mad at masculinity is only used to divide people.
1. Switch off the TV, facebook, the radio, the news media and all forms of mass indoctrination. 2. Read non-fiction 3. Develop 4. Create a plan and execute 5. Think independently 6. Be healthy
Problem #1 - There are no positive rolemodels because they are cancelled immediately by screaming harpies at every turn. Lets be honest please. There is no longer and men spaces available for men by men. The Gym - gone, in its place a plausibly deniable spandex thirst trap, you know it, I know it. Workplace banter - in its place, an over policed sterile environment devoid of creativity due to constant feigning offense to wield power over others and character assassination. Video games - in its place, see the most recent "Concord" game. Action movies - in its place, girl bosses. Boys playing - in its place medication because they're considered defective girls. We need to call a spade a spade - we live in an overcorrected gynocentric world in the west where we're constantly told its the opposite. We will never correct this unless we can simply be honest about reality.
I don't really recognize your point of view. Find any blue or pink collar job and see how little power HR or anything has over banter and how offensive people's humor is. Go to a smaller gym instead of a chain and see the same normal people you see at any gym; a few young lads crowded around the bench, some old dude still kicking it and a few women doing leg exercises. I don't recognize the thirst trap at all. Maybe this is very dependent on nation and the culture, but as a Western European dude in his 20s I don't think it's all that bad. Like always there's the good and the bad. I feel like your perspective is grounded in the internet and not in real life. Maybe it is true where you live, and I recognize parts of this if I watch too much TH-cam and Instagram, both seemingly modeled to twist your perception of the world, yet I don't see it as much in real life if you surround yourself with working class people.
I think one of the words and definitions that have been lost and forgotten is Temperance. Moderation and control of emotions and passions. Masculinity is normal and natural and a gift. But unbridled, used to abuse or control is wrong. Our society has lost all sense of discipline and responsibility.
Where are the good, decent women who will appreciate and reciprocate the behavior and effort of a good man? Maybe I'm way off base, but they seem to be getting rare.
They really aren’t, and I pity you for living in an environment where that might seem the case. As a university student, many of my female peers are highly respectable and honourable individuals. I believe that, unfortunately, many men who feel as you do often lack the qualities or opportunities to engage with “higher society,” to put it bluntly.
this advice might work in the 60's, or through- the 2000's but it's not the 60's anymore. women aren't afraid of walking all over you to get what they want, there is no social repercussions for being a bad person for them anymore. Men on the other hand get punished for looking at women wrong these days. being a Gentlemen only work if women are gentlewomen too.
You should get out and talk to women in the real world. There are bad ones, but a lot of the women I interact with are not like this. Hope you find some too.
I disagree. Being a real masculine man involves having your values dictate your behavior. Strength is manifest through disciplined action consistent with values. Righteous values are independent of how someone else behaves. If you only treat well those who treat you well, you live their values instead of yours, giving them control of you!
@@francobaudino6938 You sorta proved his point by attempting to make fun of him and talking down at him in a condescending way for telling the truth (which you don't like and thus deem it to be internet nonsense). You can't just go around saying "hur dur everyone that says things I don't like doesn't go outside". Not only does it make you look like you're projecting, but you're using an ad hominem to attack his character (and the validity of his argument) while cowering away from debating the actual statement itself which tells anyone with a brain that you have no counterargument. It's really sad.
@@dbefore7165'real men' don't give a sh*t about being a 'real man'. They constantly strive to be the best version of their true selves and live their best lives without being insecure as to feel the need to put on a 'masculinity' act.
I don't see anyone around me suggesting competetiveness is bad. If anything I think society is hyper competetive now and everyone is trying to get rich..
Many men equate masculinity and strength with working out and lifting weights. However, I would suggest reading Robert's books, as they convey a different message. True healthy masculinity encompasses much more than merely appearing masculine. And that is what modern men are most deficient in.
@@DK-tj8nm Just because I am a woman doesn't mean I don't know what a man is. And just because you are a man doesn't mean you know either. In fact, if you know how to behave as a proper man, you would not address me that way. My father was a masculine man who took care of his wife and his three daughters, served in the armed forces and worked for my county's government for 22 years, and took us to Africa where he built roads and ran businesses, and he was a heavy weight boxer, and always a proper gentleman who respected women. He encouraged his daughters to be intelligent, strong, and educated, and free to express their opinions. I said nothing wrong and I was not making anything personal. You don't have to agree but you should be respectful and polite.
Its called FORBEARANCE. Men have the power to conquer, to override to establish their will. Those who realize we have the power must also realize there are times that we must forbear in order to bring about a more positive outcome. This is WHY we talk about things before we go to WAR. Sometimes talking can resolve grievances rather than pay the price in blood & treasure. Men cannot act on emotion, rather rely on WISDOM to seek answers. All that said: It is WISE for a MAN to be in control of his emotions and take care of HIS needs FIRST. Then you are prepared to help others as you see fit and solve issues. Forbearance: To refrain; abstain; to hold back.
I guess I'm lucky.... I never even thought about this topic simply because my father was a masculine and incredibly kind man. I think what the media has done (and it's usually women who want more power) to try and de-claw men has been horrible. Like in the 1980's, women in media said they wanted men to express their feelings more and even cry. Well guess what? Most women didn't like that (to a degree). They thought men who did this looked like sapping babies. Men, be yourself. Alpha or Beta male. You'll be happier and find someone who appreciates all that you are. It's not rocket science.
A lot of men today have suboptimal levels of testosterone; a lot less than their fathers or grandfathers had just 30-50 years ago. There are various reasons for this. One factor that is oftentimes neglected is endocrine disruptors in our environment (i.e., xenoestrogens, BPA, phthalates, triclosan, etc.), phytoestrogens in food (i.e., soy, which is present in almost all processed foods), and hypothyroidism (subclinical or autoimmune Hashimoto's disease). To increase testosterone levels naturally, including libido and erection quality, and reduce chronic inflammation: • Get enough daily sunlight. • Vitamin D3 (especially during the winter or if you live in a northern climate). • Zinc picolinate (20-40 mg per day). • Magnesium glycinate/citrate. • Resistance training (3-5 times per week for 45-90 minutes max). • Adequate neuromuscular recovery (e.g., don't overtrain). • Adequate (quality) sleep. • More healthy fats (monounsaturated and saturated fats from sources like grass-fed red meat, pasture-raised eggs, fatty fish, organic full-fat dairy, coconut fat, avocados, cocoa butter, certain nuts and seeds, etc.). • Increase dietary cholesterol intake through nutrient-dense, whole foods. Cholesterol is the building block of all steroid hormones, including androgens such as testosterone. • Manage stress. Do what you have to do to keep it under control (i.e., meditation, yoga, nature walks, relaxing music, massage/reflexology sessions, adaptogenic herbs, etc.). • Chronically elevated cortisol levels disrupt the HPT (hypothalamus-pituitary-testicles) axis and deplete your body of the very resources it needs to produce androgens like testosterone and DHT. • Eat enough quality calories (not all calories are the same!). • Avoid large or prolonged calorie deficits. • Eat adequate amounts of each macronutrient (protein, carbs, fats). All of them are important in their own way and serve specific physiological functions. Beneficial Supplements: • Shilajit • Ashwagandha • Maca • Taurine • L-Carnitine (increases androgen receptor density) • Creatine • Tongkat Ali • Fadogia Agrestis • Black Ginger • Pine pollen (contains natural androgens) • Boron (increases free testosterone) • DIM (natural anti-estrogen) 'The Testosterone Advantage' by Timotheus Ray is a nice read on male health and hormone optimization.
I always agree with you, chris, but this ideology of toxic masculinity in the modern world is just a scapegoat to make us men feel weak and vulnerable. The world I wanted to live in died years ago when you marry the woman you truly love and now dating apps have made men like myself feel useless or devalued in the modern world because our value as men is perceived by everybody in the world based on your physical appearance, wealth and social status. I have improved every aspect of my life. 1 good job 2 train 3 times a week 3 have goals I still feel like I'm in the same place because people are so delusional nowadays.
Stop playing a victim. I was a white, overweight, long curly haired Polish American dude, with a bad back, raised on the south side of Chicago from the 90s - late 2000s. Non medicated ADHD & ASD1, had no career at 27. Lost 80 lbs. Took a loan, went back to school, got a degree in mathematics, went on to receive my masters from Purdue. Learned IT/Computer Science (discrete mathematics) on my own. Paid off most of my loan already. Got a great job during the start of 2021 in security research. Making a good living, bought a home and now considering PhD work. I’m not infinitely gifted. Everyday was/is a struggle with ADHD and focus but I’m slowly making it through. You can do it but I will say, IT SUCKS RIGHT NOW. That I can admit. The economy, housing, food costs, energy, etc. I’m saying I feel for you younger generations and older too. It will be harder for us but we can still make our lives what we want. Then we can turn around and vote, to then take action to fix it. I refuse to sit back and blame anything/anyone but myself for where I’m at in life. Sure, it can be said things are harder but I’m not going to self-sabotage my life on a skewed belief that I shouldn’t even try.
Agreed. Robert is just yapping shit about Tate. He clearly does not know Andrew. Tate says the things that he says to make us stronger and to light a fire of ambition inside of us.
respect is imposed if you can't impose immediate physical consequence (which may be as simple as walking away and causing an issue for the other side as a consequence), any "respect" you get is just fluff anyways... (can be taken away at a whim)
I'm wasting my time here but I haven't heard anyone defend this properly before. He mentioned a boasting politician (I think we know who that is). If you subscribe to the idea that the media is captured, then a politician who was going against their grain would have only himself to sing his praises. Additionally, there are tons of self-help strategies that recommend at least MENTIONING your strengths so that people don't miss what you're capable of. In the world of politics, if all your words are being twisted and the credit for all your deeds is either being turned 180 degrees or being stolen by others, you have to at least TRY to correct the story. Not saying he did a great job of it, but what can we expect?
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It’s so interesting that you brought up alchemy, it’s a great metaphor but I don’t think it’s exactly right. Taking some that can be risky and using to propel you forward is engineering and art.
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Thanks for the awesome share.
Looking forward to this Pod.
I always tell young guys to start weight lifting if they aren't already. The sedentary life will just depress you and eventually kill you if you don't do something about it. Weight lifting is one of the best things you can do for your mental health.
Bruh 🤜🏻
Or any form of excerise for that matter. I'm a cardio guy, though I cross train.
@Ryan-ul7dy True, whatever gets your heart pumping. I've always been a fan of weights and calisthenics.
Lifting weights is fine. But I believe that young men need to embrace physical activity in as many venues as possible. Look at the older men who are in shape and have never been to a gym. They cut grass, shovel snow, chop wood, walk everywhere, stand more, and carry more stuff. Young men yes lift weights but make moving a lifestyle. Stop sitting and eating crap.
For me it is running. Finally took it up at 31, best thing i've ever done for myself. I recently started doing 10-20 pushups a day as well to help build some muscle.
Larry Cullen said it best. "A man must be strong enough to be gentle." Larry Cullen is a Marine and his brother, Peter Cullen, used him as inspiration for the voice of Optimus Prime.
He is not safe, but he is good.
We need more autobots than this transcepticons
Best advice I ever got was from my best friends father, who was far more masculine than my own. One day when we were like 11 my friend ran to his mom after his father told him no about something, 10 minutes later he has a sitdown with us and said when we got older "NO ONE IS GOING TO COME SAVE YOU", your mother wont always be there for you. And he was damn right
There’s this one dude I know and he’s really good with cars. One of the most masculine dudes I know and he doesn’t even act like a hard ass he’s just a reliable ass dude
If you have time search 911 boatlift. This is a prime example of positive masculinity. Men with a righteous purpose are a force of nature.
Masculinity doesn’t mean you’re tough or can fight. Separate concepts.
I can ragdoll some of my more masculine friends who work in trades and are frankly more masculine than me. But I’m tougher and a better fighter, more athletic and explosive. It’s a different thing.
i'm 41 and i've been struggling with shyness, insecurity, relationships with women and lack of purpose in life.
My job (physio) really helped me feel useful for other people.
Something i'm working on:
- Take care of my body (strenght training)
- find hobbies, learn new stuff
- Don't be afraid of failures. We all grow and learn from failures
- Stop listening to toxic feminists blaming all men.
Thanks for such contenents.
Weight lifting , martial arts , meditation - controlling Yourself - Respecting Yourself - Not allowing anyone who do not follow / respect Your lead
This
No fap
What about God? Invite Christ in your heart, mind, body, soul. Don't be afraid. Jesus is perfect role model for virtues - especially when daily life is a struggle (and it is)!
Not everytime a man has to lead. Sometimes a man has to follow & learn to gain the necessary knowledge to master his ability to lead.
Also, sometimes it's best to pretend & lay low to allow another person 'to lead' 👀.
I'll say the ultimate value for a man is to focus on building his wisdom & self-confidence
@@chiderajames8387facts it not all about getting in the weight room 😂😂😂
Just remember that there is no success without sacrifice. I learned that from the book called 'Casanovareads: The Path To Success And Love'. Since I read that book I only think about money, fame and success. It addresses every aspect of man's life: relationships, dating life, fashion, grooming, modern masculinity, success... Writer gives you key tips and tricks on how to excel in every area of your life. You will need to put in some hard work of course, but nothing valuable comes easy in this life.
It brought out the Y chromosome.
I would like to say Long walks > 30 min are amazing for your mental health
The advice to young men is that society (especially culture and education) DOES NOT have your best interest in mind. Don't trust their advice. It is meant to make the world better for other people, not you.
Good comment. In my day, college didn’t mean you’d leave it with this mindset that we see now. The devaluation of the importance of fathers has been a disaster.
This.
I completely agree 100%
The sooner you understand that most people will either want you to do something to benefit them or society or a company, and not because it'll help you, the better.
I've had too many 'friends' at work who ghosted me as soon as I left for me to have a "we're brothers in arms" attitude at work.
That boss who is motivating you to be your best usually only wants your best while you are at work.
Amen
We don't have to redefine anything. People understood just fine what positive masculinity was before feminism existed. Look at the characters in the LOTR as an example.
Feminism has existed long before Lord of The Rings, both the movies and the books
@@catfromtrigun I think he is referring to the medieval-esque time period in which LOTR is set.
There is no positive masculinity. Just masculinity. Masculinity is inherently good. It doesn't need an asterisk.
This is a great comment
@@catfromtrigunNot every women’s rights movement = feminism. The contemporary feminist movement is a product of the 60s
The way you described transforming aggression and competitiveness into positive energy resonates with the fundamental attribution error. I’ve seen clients who, when faced with their own aggressive tendencies, assumed they were simply “bad” people, instead of realizing it was how they were channeling their energy that mattered. Once we worked on redirecting that aggression toward personal growth and success, they began thriving. Your focus on using discipline and channeling masculine energy for good is exactly the kind of advice young men need to redefine their path. This video was truly inspiring!
can you give an example of aggressive energy ?because I don’t know what it means.
Something we really need to acknowledge is that we have a shortage of good people.
You don't produce bad daughters without bad fathers and bad mothers. In turn, we've produced an equally abhorrent generation of young men.
Demand is high for good people, but it feels impossible because the supply is extremely low.
The good people are choosing not to have children.
I've seen really good loving parents produce one or more rotten kids. I've seen worthless drug addicted parents have kids that grow up to be responsible and successful. No one size fits all.
Good doesn't mean much if they don't have the position or power to effect change or influence the world around them
@@CorinthianIvory Good people make the world a better place just by being in it.
@@CorinthianIvory An illusion of human behavior; no offense.
A good community is produced by good micro-behaviors. When the world starts to upend; it's because the average person is making daily decisions that make it worse.
Popularity and influence have a much smaller effect on civilization than you think. You have to manifest that behavior yourself and others have to mirror it.
Robert Greene is a brilliant author. I’ve read all his books multiple times. He’s a national treasure!
The word you're looking for around 5:00 is 'refinement', in the sense of converting ore to metal. It's multiple stages of washing or burning away contaminants to concentrate the valuable part.
Chris is a great listener. Robert talked for 5 minutes with no interruptions, and Chris absorbed it and followed up correctly.
There is also toxic femininity. My mother was a perfect example. Talk about abusive.
I'm proud to be masculine. Most women love masculinity.
To hell with toxic feminism.
As a daughter of an abusive mother, I concur. However the other toxic femininity is the one I developed in response to that abuse - people pleasing. That Goldilocks zone of balance between love of others and love for oneself, of respect for others and respect for oneself - that’s the personal strength for men and women alike.
@@Paradox444stargreat self awareness. I think TRULY respecting/loving yourself will translate to true respect/love for others, and not just people you care about personally but as a whole. I'm still learning my own way too though
Can you give me an example of toxic femininity so I better understand? What would that be like?
@@MoWoo some cornerstones would be incessant passive aggressive behavior, lying, emotional manipulation, and intense victimhood complex.
@@MoWooWhen a child goes to their mother looking for advice, and the mother only criticizes and humiliates the child.
When the mother tells her daughter that the school bullies are right, you are fat and stupid.
When mom tells her daughter that her boyfriend doesn't love her because hes too good for her. Too good looking for the daughter.
When mom belittles daughters accomplishments like getting a job or moving into a new apartment.
When mom makes daughter feel like her accomplishments aren't worth celebrating.
I watched my mom do all these and more to my sister. She was a jealous, bitter woman, my mother. My sister suffers the consequences of this stuff today and shes nearly 50 years old. She has zero confidence in herself, terrible anxiety, and a real fear of rejection.
Toxic femininity is common, but goes unnoticed because its rarely violent.
Know the strength of a man yet keep a woman's care and compassion- Lao Tzu
That women are especially compassionate is a myth.
They just tend to be more agreeable, conformist and go with what they view as the mainstream.
«It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers.» ― George Orwell, 1984
@@wolfgangkranek376
Wtf were womn supposed to do? If you are more of the prey than the predator in life you have to have some different types of survival skills.
Many womn have gotten away from violent killers by using psychological tactics,
“going along” with him, being agreeable to not antagonize him, even telling him she likes him. Whatever she can figure out in order to survive. You have to be much smarter playing defense than offense.
@@wolfgangkranek376
Compassion is learned from early childhood. Theres a window of time in a child’s early life where most personality traits are established. Those first 5 or 6 years. If things are not taught or shown at that time it’s pretty difficult to overcome that.
@@kc6810 You missed the point.
And the point is, women are not special in any way. In some regards they are even less trustwothy and honest and more reckless then most men.
And yes, it's because of evolution. I don't even blame them. I still like women - thats also evolution. But there is no need to put them on a pedestal. That's reserved for women who have proven their worth in a relationship.
@@kc6810 And please, stop liking your own comments!
True, this world needs more masculine men 💪🏽
Weak men are very dangerous. Strong men don't need to start trouble.
Yeah but do people around deserve us to make the necessary sacrifices?
@@adelb7897this is a great question.
@@adelb7897ironically your comment is very feminine and not a masculine statement at all
@@averyintelligencehe's right though
Finally a fresh in-person Robert Greene episode 🎉🎉
The fact that there's so much content online and so much dialogue around "masculinity" as an "issue" today just tells you how horribly off things are in society. Like, really!? We've come apart so much that this is a subject that needs to be discussed? Wow that's pathetic!
Love the work of this channel though! Glad the conversations are at least happening.
Online content is not a 1 to 1 reflection of the real world
This conversation isn’t happening in other countries outside of Britain and America for the most part. So that should tell you something as well. America and Britain has the most amount of grifters and pseudo intellectuals trying to make money off of the mental health issues of the youth and general economic issues.
I have followed the samurai bushido code as my set of guiding principles for 13yrs. now. To me, masculinity isn't about expressing power or wealth. It isn't about how many women you can pull. It's about being merciful, benevolent, honest, having a high sense of self-control, and having a sense of honor. And not necessarily practicing these traits for others, but for yourself.
Love this. I am also trying to follow a warrior monk path
Christ is the ultimate example, all the rest of these man-mad principles might have some merrit, but falter in the example of God.
Mercy is a toy for the self-aggrandizing. Honesty is just lies you're convinced of. Self-control and self delusion often mix in equal measure. Honor is a crude crutch. Systems are like roads. You're not supposed to live on a road, you're supposed to travel it.
I don’t disagree at all, whatsoever. I’m interested how that can apply to, strictly, men and how it it differentiates from women. Aren’t they also able to do those things? If so, what makes men and women different in this context if we can all do those things (re: masculinity)
@@JoeyM10you’re gay
I listened to Robert Greene's book on power back in 2009 and was totally blown away by it. I saw the world differently since.
I'm a 25 year old man, my friends and I often appreciate Roberts work in conversation. Great man
Sounds like you’ve got a good crew
Watching this mesmerizing video dredges up painful memories of the recent dissolution of my 4 year relationship. The departure of my beloved, the one I adore deeply, has left me in a perpetual state of longing. Despite my tireless attempts at reconciliation, I find myself mired in frustration, unable to shake the persistent thoughts of her. Despite my efforts to move forward, I'm compelled to share my inner turmoil and the overwhelming sense of missing her here .
Letting go of someone you love deeply presents a formidable challenge. I faced a comparable ordeal when my 6 year relationship ended. Refusing to succumb to despair, I relentlessly pursued avenues to reconcile with him. Ultimately, I sought solace and guidance from a spiritual counselor, whose intervention proved instrumental in restoring our connection.
Remarkable! How did you discover a spiritual counselor, and what's the procedure for me to get in contact with her?
Meet Suzanne Ann Walters, a renowned spiritual counselor.
Many thanks for providing this valuable information; I've just conducted an online search for her.
@@WoodnetRonnieBe wary of online solicitation. I will point out one thing Ronnie, your emptiness is the amount of fill up you need from YOU. Just think how long this ex partner has been trying to do this for you. Exhausting.
We’ve abandoned traditions and practices that used to provide an outlet to channel youthful male energy into something positive. It’s no wonder so many young men are feeling directionless today.
Which traditions are you talking about? Chimney sweeping
I love masculine men!
Me and you over a bottle of wine 🍷 🌹 🤔
I love decent human being with a well-calibrated moral compass who have empathy for others.
We're here for you ladies 🙂
no one told you to love all of them....geez you must be tired.
Gracias.
The Master himself on the show! Very glad to see him doing well and super excited to see this episode. Thank you both 🙏
For what it's worth, I have not been actively LOOKING FOR sources of "pop culture incorrectly defined 'toxic masculinity'"... and I've not had many negative experiences that have centered around this "hot button topic".
Then again, I've curated my online experience to literally block ignorance and block all hateful and spiteful people. Also, (and this part may be quite obvious), I don't watch any "news" or click on any "news websites".
It **IS POSSIBLE** to customize your digital environment (and to a lesser extent, your physical one) to remove the ironic toxicity that projects itself into and onto the world and the people around it ❤❤💪💪
The sooner you figure out how YOU are going to take care of YOURSELF for the rest of YOUR life the better. The rest falls into place.
No Doctor, therapist, personal coach etc. will make you better. It's up to the individual.
This comment should be pinned
You ppl are so lost. Listen to you all worshipping the self.
I’ll make this real simple for you guys. Get to know Jesus Christ. “The rest will fall into place”
@@Johnnycassshhhhyou wouldn’t need any of those people if you had Jesus Christ. No other human being will ever be able to save you.
@@twoinchtape hes dead
This is so awesomeee. I have been waiting for an episode with Greene since it was mentioned somewhere he had to cancel and had to be postponed or something 😭☺️
This guy changed my life in so many different ways, cheers
I'm so happy this podcast exists. Men need to hear these things especially in today's culture.
I owe this man so much. I cant wait for the full episode
There's a book called Casanova Playbook of Magnetism, and it talks from body language and conversaton starters to dark mind tricks and flirting through texts, it's the real deal
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I saw this exact comment in another video. They are bots commenting the exact same comment about this book in different videos
I’m so over this. It’s not about tips and tricks and body language and flirting and communication. Ugh.
Stop trying to trick people into believing you’re valuable and become valuable. It just won’t last and you won’t enjoy it if you have to fake it.
If you aren’t a charismatic Chad, that’s fine. But you never will be, so stop trying to
@@synchronis346 its a bot comment dingdong
On the last point: "Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king." ~Tywin Lannister.
One of the biggest aspects to my view of masculinity is being a Gentleman. I don’t care if it’s not en vogue - I won’t abandon it, I believe In it and that’s it
That’s got nothing to do with being masculine or feminine though. Just just called being considerate of others and can exist in both characteristics.
People correlate masculinity with romantic traditions but they are not the same
That’s just*
@@averyintelligence Is not having self control a masculine thing. Gentlemen have self control, are respectful of others and self aware, they have principles , they treat women and all people with kindness, they have style and self respect, to name a few of the qualities. What is not masculine about this?
Toxic masculinity is just being an asshole. Just don't be an asshole.
Masculinity can never be toxic.
You’re just using synonyms without explaining what you mean
No one in this thread has actually said anything towards another person.
Biff from back to the future is an example of toxic masculinity
The only thing that's "toxic" is believing masculinity to be.
Spiritually, masculine energy is simply energy that is to be EXPRESSED outward into the world. Well-adjusted humans (male, female, other) are a harmonious combination of BOTH masculine + feminine energy. Pedestalizing one over the other is counterproductive. We need BOTH of these energies to live successful and fulfilled lives. The imbalance is what's toxic. The use of any energy in low vibration is what's toxic. Think I might do a video sometime in the future further articulating what masculine energy is and how we might use it productively in our lives. Sounds like a wonderful series/conversation.
Always have your own life is what I learnt the hard way. Be respectful etc of course towards women but always have it in the back of your mind she could suddenly change hers or mess around on you. Seen it happen to family and mates of mine aswell.
Be respectful and give the benefit of the doubt to women AND men but stop giving women special treatment because they are women.
@@adelb7897yeah exactly my friend
@@adelb7897 What do you mean by giving women special treatment ?
Always appreciate Mr Greene's perspective
The world wants us all weak, cowardly, timid, scared, and selfish. Resist! Grow strong, useful, Godly, generous, loving, and always speak the truth with no fear. Stand Up !
I'm lost. What if I'm aimless in life & don't want to "assert myself" or don't have goals? Just stuck in a golden cage of a good job I hate, a comfortable roof over my head & a nourishing relationship. I'm not sure where to go from here. When you used to ask me 5 years ago - where did I want to be - I named 80% of the things I have, the other 20% I'm either working on, or were unplanned. Where do I go from here on out?
Thank you for the messages ❤
While i get what Robert is doing herein defining negative qualities of masculinity like boasting and so on, i would say that some of these people (if not a lot of them) are not insecure they are simply more self focused than others who have more empathy. It is possible to be very masculine and also be empathic, but similarly it is quite possible to be very masculine and not at all empathic. Like everything people's charateristics are on spectrums between one end of whatever you are looking at and the other.
QUESTION ABOUT DISCIPLINE:
Hey Chris! Thank for share this interview! I appreciate a lot.
The Law 4 from 33 Strategy of War(The Death Ground) is the Law of the my life. The way how i learned English was exactly the way how Robert learned French. I moved from Brazil to USA and put me in a position where i didn`t have any option about my communication. I needed to learn. Was super hard but i did it.
But i believe that this Law is good until you reach a position that you are confortable and you become ok about that.
I am working with Sales right now and one thing that i noticed is about consistency. That`s my problem because i don`t believe in Discipline, i believe in Obsession.
If i am wrong about that, how to fix my perception and how to become more Disciplined?
Thank you!
Chris if you read this, you were on the right path with 'Alchemy'. Read Jung's 'Psychology and Alchemy'. He theorises that the ancient practice of alchemy was in fact their symbolic expression of the path to elevate consciousness and being.
Being competitive is the best.
One of the best modern authors BY FAR Mr Robert Greene 🐐👑
Yep channel your emotions
To all the young guys out there put god 1st, get on your grind continue 2 make improvement's on yourself certain things we cant control such as our height but we can control what we put in our bodies become the best version of yourself dont let people take advantages of u n dont be scared of taking chances, dont chase women get on ur grind be humble n put god 1st God bless
One group tells men what they should do. Man up, protect, kill their emotions, provide, live for others. They expect everything but owe men nothing.
Second, tell what they can achieve and show what it can be if they don't care and live their lives for themselves to the fullest.
I'm struggling to see how the second one is more toxic than the first one.
Selfishness is inherently negative and ultimately unfulfilling. All the, "screw everyone else" and "I'm gonna get mine" slogans sound good and all, but all of it means nothing when you're 60 years old with no kids or grandkids, no legacy and no one who even cares if you wake up tomorrow.
@@jonsnowight9510 I agree. But that's the same for selflessness. We need a middle ground, or men are nothing more than slaves.
We can't afford to endorse abusive behavior. Men bowing their heads when society spits on them will only push that spiral of abuse further.
Can’t wait for the full episode!
I respect women who deserve respect. Who have earned it by actually conducting themselves respectfully. Unfortunately, that describes fewer and fewer women as time goes on.
So, no, it's not toxic masculinity to call out modern women on their awful behavior. Society gave them the benefit of the doubt by default, and they chose to do horrible things with it.
Personally, I don't think it's about respecting " everybody," and it was never like that,
It's all about respecting yourself, which reflects on others, and then being smart enough to surround yourself with positive people, which includes men and women.
And, of course, respect doesn't mean tolerating bullshit.
Saying it’s fewer and fewer women is crazy. It’s like women saying there’s fewer and fewer good men that don’t cheat. Like oh my god can’t both sides see you all are just a mirror of the other?!
@@TheCryGuy77 exactly
And look, at the end with age, people tempt to reduce their circle of friends, and this is normal. So it all depends on what you do where you go and what do you prioritise in your life whether it’s the activities you do and what do you attract.
If people attract garbage, well … what can I say, maybe there is a garbage side in them 🤷♂️
@@TheCryGuy77Actually, it's not.
This is such a bad take. People should be going through life with the innocent 'til proven guilty mindset. Respect everyone until they lose your respect. This applies to everyone and not just women.
Robert is amazing
Every man needs to learn to lift weights, learn martial arts, read books, learn how to write, and play an insturment or find an art that is suitable for their own pursuits.
Nothing is more profitable and attractive for a man who is passionate about life.
nah, life sucks
@@bigboyman5743 Fascinating. What do you base your life on? Like what are you a slave to as well?
@@yrdneh9385 i either die or cope, and dying seems easier than coping
@@bigboyman5743I feel this sometimes
Unfortunately, becoming comfortable with who you are only comes with age.
Set design is off the charts.
When I feel lost Robert Greene saved me
We need full version
Thanks both
My experience growing up is that, while as a kid I was competitive and I liked to put people down, I was told so many times and gradualy I convinced myselft that it's not right to make other people feel bad, you have to be empathetic. By doing that as teenager it tranformed through the years to conflict avoidance. It doesn't matter if i can overpower somenone or I have all the right by my side, I feel really uncomfortable when someone insults me and my mind does not think of fighting back rather than how quickly can I avoid this situation with as little damage as possible. That has created so many issues with my self-esteem. I try to prove to myself that i can be a tough guy and i just choose not to be, but i'm afraid i've turned myself into a coward.
A good Man statement. Who is insulting people? Get away from them.
@@twt000 fleeing an argument seems more like a sign of guilt. A man must stand his ground without hesitation.
Funnily enough thats a big message from Christ, which is "have empathy, you could be like them, so if you're not in danger and it's just child's play, let it happen, you're above this"
(People misinterpret this to say you have to take abuse, wrong, Christ never did this, in fact he even faced religious leaders during his time head on. Words ? Sure, abuse ? Defend yourself)
Thank you!
I work in a university, a very liberal environment. No body says "masculinity is bad" it's recognized as a trait that people have. This idea that people are mad at masculinity is only used to divide people.
Yeah, I have only heard "masculinity is bad" idea on the web. Never seen anyone saying this in the real world.
48laws is a staple for me
That shot at the end waa hilarious
1. Switch off the TV, facebook, the radio, the news media and all forms of mass indoctrination.
2. Read non-fiction
3. Develop
4. Create a plan and execute
5. Think independently
6. Be healthy
Gonna be a banger
Masterfully handled
great clip!
FINALLY! I LOVE ROBERT GREENE
We all have expiry date , no matter string or weak . Don’t fool yourself , live according to who you are , and don’t hide it and camouflage yourself
Problem #1 - There are no positive rolemodels because they are cancelled immediately by screaming harpies at every turn. Lets be honest please.
There is no longer and men spaces available for men by men. The Gym - gone, in its place a plausibly deniable spandex thirst trap, you know it, I know it.
Workplace banter - in its place, an over policed sterile environment devoid of creativity due to constant feigning offense to wield power over others and character assassination.
Video games - in its place, see the most recent "Concord" game.
Action movies - in its place, girl bosses.
Boys playing - in its place medication because they're considered defective girls.
We need to call a spade a spade - we live in an overcorrected gynocentric world in the west where we're constantly told its the opposite. We will never correct this unless we can simply be honest about reality.
I don't really recognize your point of view. Find any blue or pink collar job and see how little power HR or anything has over banter and how offensive people's humor is. Go to a smaller gym instead of a chain and see the same normal people you see at any gym; a few young lads crowded around the bench, some old dude still kicking it and a few women doing leg exercises. I don't recognize the thirst trap at all. Maybe this is very dependent on nation and the culture, but as a Western European dude in his 20s I don't think it's all that bad. Like always there's the good and the bad. I feel like your perspective is grounded in the internet and not in real life. Maybe it is true where you live, and I recognize parts of this if I watch too much TH-cam and Instagram, both seemingly modeled to twist your perception of the world, yet I don't see it as much in real life if you surround yourself with working class people.
I will be grateful if someone tell me where I can watch this full podcast
I think one of the words and definitions that have been lost and forgotten is Temperance. Moderation and control of emotions and passions. Masculinity is normal and natural and a gift. But unbridled, used to abuse or control is wrong. Our society has lost all sense of discipline and responsibility.
Meekness is velvet-covered steel. Boastfulness =Weakness=all hat and no cattle.
Oh my, Mr. Greene is dancing on a frozen lake named Cancelation. Bless his heart!
Where are the good, decent women who will appreciate and reciprocate the behavior and effort of a good man?
Maybe I'm way off base, but they seem to be getting rare.
They really aren’t, and I pity you for living in an environment where that might seem the case. As a university student, many of my female peers are highly respectable and honourable individuals. I believe that, unfortunately, many men who feel as you do often lack the qualities or opportunities to engage with “higher society,” to put it bluntly.
In the future we will look at The 48 Laws of Power the way we look at books like The Prince By Machiavelli today.
Is it that good? I haven't read yet.
Aragorn from LOTR is the right kind of masculine.
this advice might work in the 60's, or through- the 2000's but it's not the 60's anymore. women aren't afraid of walking all over you to get what they want, there is no social repercussions for being a bad person for them anymore. Men on the other hand get punished for looking at women wrong these days. being a Gentlemen only work if women are gentlewomen too.
You should get out and talk to women in the real world. There are bad ones, but a lot of the women I interact with are not like this. Hope you find some too.
I disagree. Being a real masculine man involves having your values dictate your behavior. Strength is manifest through disciplined action consistent with values. Righteous values are independent of how someone else behaves. If you only treat well those who treat you well, you live their values instead of yours, giving them control of you!
@@francobaudino6938 You sorta proved his point by attempting to make fun of him and talking down at him in a condescending way for telling the truth (which you don't like and thus deem it to be internet nonsense). You can't just go around saying "hur dur everyone that says things I don't like doesn't go outside". Not only does it make you look like you're projecting, but you're using an ad hominem to attack his character (and the validity of his argument) while cowering away from debating the actual statement itself which tells anyone with a brain that you have no counterargument. It's really sad.
Then you don't know them enough, get to know them enough then you can speak @@francobaudino6938
Real men are strong and competitive. 💪💪
Sounds bit adolescent, real men only compete with themselves
@@dbefore7165'real men' don't give a sh*t about being a 'real man'. They constantly strive to be the best version of their true selves and live their best lives without being insecure as to feel the need to put on a 'masculinity' act.
Keep running the rat race, I am sure hamster wheel your in leads to and end
Yes and no, you can do both. If you only compete with yourself, you will isolate yourself and basically be anti human.
@@newme1589not literally.. sigh, but a man doesn’t worry about what others are doing. In the end we all die and are all forgotten. Just enjoy the ride
Oh you don’t need to put others down to make yourself feel better ? Tell that to these modern women
This applies to some men as well.
@@TheFlareMind yeah men don’t base their whole identity and personality off of bashing and putting down women. But women do that to men
People online definitely do that, and most disagreements are from men, so both do it. Its not a gender thing, its a human with bad education thing
@@newme1589 actually no woman are known to be catty while men are much more direct and straightforward
@@TheFlareMind Without fail " what about men" audience pops up :)
I don't see anyone around me suggesting competetiveness is bad. If anything I think society is hyper competetive now and everyone is trying to get rich..
I just love this gentleman!
Many men equate masculinity and strength with working out and lifting weights. However, I would suggest reading Robert's books, as they convey a different message. True healthy masculinity encompasses much more than merely appearing masculine. And that is what modern men are most deficient in.
No, being strong and competent in combat is part of a man’s element of masculinity- deal with it.
Ah great a woman trying to tell men what masculine means.
Women should not talk about masculinity, you have no clue
@@DK-tj8nm Just because I am a woman doesn't mean I don't know what a man is. And just because you are a man doesn't mean you know either. In fact, if you know how to behave as a proper man, you would not address me that way. My father was a masculine man who took care of his wife and his three daughters, served in the armed forces and worked for my county's government for 22 years, and took us to Africa where he built roads and ran businesses, and he was a heavy weight boxer, and always a proper gentleman who respected women. He encouraged his daughters to be intelligent, strong, and educated, and free to express their opinions. I said nothing wrong and I was not making anything personal. You don't have to agree but you should be respectful and polite.
@@OhioVworld Sir, I don't have to deal with it. You do.
Its called FORBEARANCE. Men have the power to conquer, to override to establish their will. Those who realize we have the power must also realize there are times that we must forbear in order to bring about a more positive outcome. This is WHY we talk about things before we go to WAR. Sometimes talking can resolve grievances rather than pay the price in blood & treasure. Men cannot act on emotion, rather rely on WISDOM to seek answers.
All that said: It is WISE for a MAN to be in control of his emotions and take care of HIS needs FIRST.
Then you are prepared to help others as you see fit and solve issues.
Forbearance: To refrain; abstain; to hold back.
I guess I'm lucky.... I never even thought about this topic simply because my father was a masculine and incredibly kind man. I think what the media has done (and it's usually women who want more power) to try and de-claw men has been horrible. Like in the 1980's, women in media said they wanted men to express their feelings more and even cry. Well guess what? Most women didn't like that (to a degree). They thought men who did this looked like sapping babies.
Men, be yourself. Alpha or Beta male. You'll be happier and find someone who appreciates all that you are. It's not rocket science.
He's talking about Dominique Vandenberg i think
A lot of men today have suboptimal levels of testosterone; a lot less than their fathers or grandfathers had just 30-50 years ago. There are various reasons for this. One factor that is oftentimes neglected is endocrine disruptors in our environment (i.e., xenoestrogens, BPA, phthalates, triclosan, etc.), phytoestrogens in food (i.e., soy, which is present in almost all processed foods), and hypothyroidism (subclinical or autoimmune Hashimoto's disease).
To increase testosterone levels naturally, including libido and erection quality, and reduce chronic inflammation:
• Get enough daily sunlight.
• Vitamin D3 (especially during the winter or if you live in a northern climate).
• Zinc picolinate (20-40 mg per day).
• Magnesium glycinate/citrate.
• Resistance training (3-5 times per week for 45-90 minutes max).
• Adequate neuromuscular recovery (e.g., don't overtrain).
• Adequate (quality) sleep.
• More healthy fats (monounsaturated and saturated fats from sources like grass-fed red meat, pasture-raised eggs, fatty fish, organic full-fat dairy, coconut fat, avocados, cocoa butter, certain nuts and seeds, etc.).
• Increase dietary cholesterol intake through nutrient-dense, whole foods. Cholesterol is the building block of all steroid hormones, including androgens such as testosterone.
• Manage stress. Do what you have to do to keep it under control (i.e., meditation, yoga, nature walks, relaxing music, massage/reflexology sessions, adaptogenic herbs, etc.).
• Chronically elevated cortisol levels disrupt the HPT (hypothalamus-pituitary-testicles) axis and deplete your body of the very resources it needs to produce androgens like testosterone and DHT.
• Eat enough quality calories (not all calories are the same!).
• Avoid large or prolonged calorie deficits.
• Eat adequate amounts of each macronutrient (protein, carbs, fats). All of them are important in their own way and serve specific physiological functions.
Beneficial Supplements:
• Shilajit
• Ashwagandha
• Maca
• Taurine
• L-Carnitine (increases androgen receptor density)
• Creatine
• Tongkat Ali
• Fadogia Agrestis
• Black Ginger
• Pine pollen (contains natural androgens)
• Boron (increases free testosterone)
• DIM (natural anti-estrogen)
'The Testosterone Advantage' by Timotheus Ray is a nice read on male health and hormone optimization.
Let’s also remember that too much testosterone is worse than too little
He who carries a sword, but keeps it sheathed, will inherit the world
I like the Western reference. John Wayne or Marshal Dillion were good role models.
Who are the masculine role models in TV/Movies today?
When will the full podcast will be out?
I always agree with you, chris, but this ideology of toxic masculinity in the modern world is just a scapegoat to make us men feel weak and vulnerable.
The world I wanted to live in died years ago when you marry the woman you truly love and now dating apps have made men like myself feel useless or devalued in the modern world because our value as men is perceived by everybody in the world based on your physical appearance, wealth and social status.
I have improved every aspect of my life.
1 good job
2 train 3 times a week
3 have goals
I still feel like I'm in the same place because people are so delusional nowadays.
Robert Greene should interview RFK Jnr.
0:44 and no money or access to complete such things...
Stop playing a victim. I was a white, overweight, long curly haired Polish American dude, with a bad back, raised on the south side of Chicago from the 90s - late 2000s. Non medicated ADHD & ASD1, had no career at 27. Lost 80 lbs. Took a loan, went back to school, got a degree in mathematics, went on to receive my masters from Purdue. Learned IT/Computer Science (discrete mathematics) on my own. Paid off most of my loan already. Got a great job during the start of 2021 in security research. Making a good living, bought a home and now considering PhD work. I’m not infinitely gifted. Everyday was/is a struggle with ADHD and focus but I’m slowly making it through.
You can do it but I will say, IT SUCKS RIGHT NOW. That I can admit. The economy, housing, food costs, energy, etc. I’m saying I feel for you younger generations and older too. It will be harder for us but we can still make our lives what we want. Then we can turn around and vote, to then take action to fix it. I refuse to sit back and blame anything/anyone but myself for where I’m at in life. Sure, it can be said things are harder but I’m not going to self-sabotage my life on a skewed belief that I shouldn’t even try.
Andrew tate doesnt put people down he says the things you need to hear instead of the things you want to hear
Like where and how to put it to women.
@@ToddDouglasFox yes he explains that men and women have different roles and it's True
Agreed. Robert is just yapping shit about Tate. He clearly does not know Andrew. Tate says the things that he says to make us stronger and to light a fire of ambition inside of us.
@@sauryabasnet6958 💯
Love a bit of Greene
respect is imposed
if you can't impose immediate physical consequence (which may be as simple as walking away and causing an issue for the other side as a consequence),
any "respect" you get is just fluff anyways... (can be taken away at a whim)
Bring Naval Ravikant on the show, Please!
It's very rare to succeed in convincing him to participate as a guest somewhere
I'm wasting my time here but I haven't heard anyone defend this properly before. He mentioned a boasting politician (I think we know who that is). If you subscribe to the idea that the media is captured, then a politician who was going against their grain would have only himself to sing his praises. Additionally, there are tons of self-help strategies that recommend at least MENTIONING your strengths so that people don't miss what you're capable of. In the world of politics, if all your words are being twisted and the credit for all your deeds is either being turned 180 degrees or being stolen by others, you have to at least TRY to correct the story. Not saying he did a great job of it, but what can we expect?