Forza Motorsport Handling Gives Gran Turismo A BIG Problem
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4wd golf r in forza vs fwd gti in gt7. The handling will be waaaay different
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Forza Motorsport is so realistic you couldn't even tell the difference between a front-wheel drive Golf GTI and an all-wheel drive Golf R.
its a 4x4 vw golf r in forza though, also, for all the people wondering, you can adjust the chase cam to be more flowy in gt7.
Plus cockpit view with wobble 2 on
yessirski.
Also for those wondering you can go into hood view (and I believe roof view) in Forza just like in GT7. Its still better in GT7 to be fair (because IDK why turn10 doesnt want to give us a hud similar to gt7s where its right in the middle of your screen that its time to shift)
Hopefully we get that in FM because hoodview has been my go to.
which also the hoodview in FM is more dangerous unfortunately because we're still using a 2005 arrow radar system smdh.
So unfortunate because the racing is really REALLY good in FM. Super intense at higher levels but T10 keeps stumping their toe with not giving us all QOL that GT gets.
You cannot fix the chase cam though. Even with far and wobble it looks like a box sliding down the road. It's the worst chase cam in a racing game. Ever. Wheel cam is good though.
No actually the cars in GT7 are just stuck to the road on rails and unrealistic, I play both games
I personally prefer the stiff camera
You are wrong Kireth! Forza Golf is the "R" , which means its AWD! not FWD! And about your "complaint", I guess you have played far too much STIFF gran turismo. It will take some time to get over the STIFFNESS
dude its arcadey lol, get over it.
Also, the way the Forza camera works has been the same for a lot of the entries, takes some time to get used to.
@@reversebhThey're both entry level sim racers, so technically they're both considered arcadey when compared to the more hardcore racers... What's your point?
Nah, he is right every version of forza has been too slippery.
@@thecooljohn100 gt has always been a simulation game, forza motorsports is its biggest competitor, well was, when comparing the games gt7 always comes out better and more realistic. and btw, i dont see any other games in the video, so whats your point in saying any of that? lol.
Forza feels more visceral and tactile. It's always been that way. GT looks and feels more sterile. GT forsakes realism for precision, when playing GT, you are playing a simulation. Forza feels more real world based. The cars feel like they are a real world representation of their ingame models, whilst in GT, the cars feel like a simulation of the cars in a perfect environment. This is very apparent with both games sense of speed. Forza has a far superior sense of speed to GT. Here's another example to better explain what I'm saying. Forza, the cars have an orange peel to their paint job. That's like reality, no car, no matter how much you wet sand it will have a perfectly smooth paint job. But in GT, the cars all have perfectly smooth spotless paint jobs. Realism vs Simulation....
GT7 is too static, forza is just alive, improving majorly every month
You can loosen the camera a bit in GT7 in camera settings
The physics/handling comparison between Forza Motorsport 2023 and Gran Turismo 7 is what I'm interested the most about GT7 vs FM2023.
been looking for just that kind of video
Same
Great video Kireth. Just a heads up these two vehicles are not truly 1:1. The Volkswagen GTI on the right is front wheel drive, but the Volkswagen R on the left is actually 4-wheel drive. I agree that there's camera issues with the 3rd-person-camera, but not sure if this is compounding the issue further as clearly the tire dynamics will be difference. That being said, I've played both and the 3rd person cameras and general physics are absolutely different - with GT7 it's almost as if the camera is "attached" to the rear of the vehicle like an attached GoPro with a stick (and even more "on rails" feeling with it's physics), whereas Forza the camera is far more dynamic (and maybe a bit overly so) but overall more realistic. Hope that makes sense. Cheers!
I didn't say that - be nice. The only reason I noticed the car difference is because I own a GTI. @@marksimpson1007
I mean for a yter who claims to be a top racer in gt7 and irl racer too, he would notice difference between 4wd and fwd.
Does it mean there is no difference to feel in a fwd and 4wd car in fm8 or does the yter have not enough skill to notice it😂
@@Peaceiscoming669 I honestly believed is more that even though he is racing or practicing in real life on the track in terms of video games he has not been consistent & reliable with his video comparisons and sounds more like any other casual player talking of racing games, plus aside of using 2 different drivetrains cars on the video( AWD vs FWD) he also compares his real experience on track using a RWD car with the ones on the game that are different lol like obviously they wont be similar in any reason, all 3 different drivetrains lol.
I started watching his videos like a month ago and I swear the more I see his videos the more it frustrates me, specially when I see other channels that actually know what they are talking about, make fair comparisons & give the proper information.
Just my humble opinion... how can you be critical of how the car handles when driving with the camera behind you? AND compare it to when you drive in real life... have you got an extended seat & pedals while perched out of the back window on your track days?? I don't get it, surely cockpit or bonnet cam is a better option, this isn't Sega Rally.
I drive a Golf IRL and it behaves like GT7 , I felt the Understeer when entering a corner too fast just like in GT, the suspension is Stiff (as it should be) like in GT7 , maybe if you drive bad cars with floaty suspension you think GT7 is too stiff when in reality you just drive a car with a bad suspension
Finally someone gets it, with some IRL Experience. I drive a 2009 BMW 123D M Sport Coupe (So getting on a bit now!), stiff suspension, low to the ground, understeery as hell. Forza Motorsport feels like the tracks covered in grease at times.
With real-life experience in a Corvette C8, Forza is far more realistic to me. After some changed ffb settings and tunes of course, because the defaults are horrendous. TH-camrs like Random Callsign and GamerMuscle also confirmed my opinion on the ffb and tire physics. They agreed that Forza is definitely better in those aspect than Gran Turismo.
@@johncarl5505 I've seen the default settings for a wheel need a LOT of tweaking. Hopefully there is a definitive setup soon for my fanatec and it will feel considerably better. Currently enjoying both games! Shocking, i know! :D
Same. I drive a mk5 gti irl and the thing is a stiff, understeery bullet like the gti in gt7
Played both, i prefer the handling on gran turismo. Forza is still an awesome game
i felt in love with fm physics, i thought i was going to feel like fh5, but it really feels like you're driving a real car.
I hate that nasty filter on forza, everything looks washed out. The white looks yellow and the black looks grey.
Made some adjustment on the HDR implementation and adjusted the nits to 50-1125.0 and the game looks great and nothing like in this video.
I.playing on series X and paired with LG c1 OLED tv.
That stiff camera in GT7 is the main reason I have problems playing that game.
I just can't read ir properly, Forza doezn't have that problem for me since the xbox and xbox 360 years.
You can adjust the camera...
@@fondfarewell2 forza still feels better even after switching the camera on gt7 I have like 1000 or more hours into gt7... I just call it how i see it. Forza is better its ok. it came out after it SHOULD be better....
@leiferikson7052
It's better because the camera moves like an arcade game? GT7 is far closer to a real sim than the new Forza. Forza just isn't as realistic. It's okay
Yea people driving in chase cam can't really speak on what's more realistic.
@@scottd7222 forza still feels better incar with a wheel also... sooo theres that.
I dont think GT gamers understand that FM offers way more freedom. By default all assists are on. Tirn these off for better "sim" racing. Also the car movement on chase cam can be turned off to be set in place. GT feels more on rails imo. The tire physics in FM feel way more responsive and the visual/force feedback feels better to me. There is a bit of randomness as in real life. FM does a good job telling you when you are on the egde of grip. People who just hate on it I feel have not played it very much.
If you drive cars IRL then you will see they behave like Gran Turismo 7... they don't wobble around everywhere like in Forza...
It's due to the horrible setups in Forza. The springs are set too soft. Tire physics is definitely better in Forza, though. They kinda feel simplified in GT, kinda like what Random Callsign said.
I guessed you missed the clip of him driving in real life on the same circuit
No they aren’t. In real life you can feel the weight of the car and if you’re going to fast you can feel the rear end push out as you accelerate. In gt, you cant feel that, the car is planted and it feels like the center of gravity is stuck in one spot no matter what corner youre taking.
That’s just straight up tripe, you’ve obviously never been in a face car, they move around a lot and you can visually see this in most racing series like NASCAR, IMSA and V8 Supercars, they move around so much they look like they’re dancing, wtf is this comment and I can’t believe people agree with you. You have to be GT fanboys, cars don’t have infinite grip like GT and they definitely move around, a lot, like whip lash move around, I can’t wtf 😂😂😂😂🤦🏻♂️
@@ashdog236 exactly. These kids have no idea what they are talking about.
In GT7 you are moving the track around the car! In Forza you drive the car around the track.
In chase cam you are 100% correct!!!
Technically you actually move the track around the car in all driving games, as long as the user believes they are driving the car then the devs job is done :-)
I think this doesn't apply t9 gt7
You should use hood cam or bumper cam in Forza, I never have before but have been on the new game, feels good & I can control it a little better.
That's because you're positioning your view naturally from inside or slightly in front of the windshield as opposed to positioning your view many inches above and behind the rear of the vehicle. Chase cam is lame af
I use hood cam
Same.. I love how the chase cam looks but i have better vehicle control in cockpit, hood, or bumper..
Isn't it the case though if you take a turn too fast in gt7, the back end does indeed step out (also depends on tires, upgrades etc.)?
Then if you take a turn at the correct speeds (+ or -), you'll stay relatively planted throughout.
I also think maybe sometimes in Forza the back end can step out a little too often/too easily, imo.
fyi, I have no preference for either series gt or forza. They're both great racing games that provide a lot of fun.
I have 300 hours on GT7 and 26h on Forza Motorsport. I play exclusively on controller. First few moments playing Forza I was very disappointed with the physics. Then a few hours in I feel much better about it. I kinda like the fact that it is less stiff than GT7. My thinking is that using a controller to drive a car is not realistic anyway so I might as well have fun with what I got. Those low polygon cars tho...from FM4, that's a no no
How would you rate the graphics or the new forza motorsport compared to forza horizon 5
@@ben7ani I would say it depends on the time of day and weather. At noon, they are kind of similar as they share a lot of the same assets. Trees, cars etc. Digital foundry said in their last podcast that horizon environment looked better even though it is an open world. Later afternoon, night or morning, I think FM takes it. The thing that I found was very beautiful in FM was the fog effects together with the volumetric lighting. Pick a track at night and set the weather at heavy fog, it is really beautiful.
@@hkm64 well said. One of the early series races takes you through Maple Valley at night with the track covered in fog... having experienced that track on every title since FM2, it felt a little surreal to see it in such a different light, both literally and figuratively. That said, FH5 looks way more consistently pretty. FM really struggles with over-exposure in bright settings, washing everything out so that cars look like plastic toys, and tracks look like desaturated previous-generation products. That, and the amount of recycled cars is disrespectful more than anything. But overall, it's a good looking game with special moments. I just wish it was more complete and consistent. T10 has their work cut out if they want to do right by their customers.
@@ben7ani90% of the cars have "basic" texture, Forza 8 like Forza 5,6,7, some is from Xbox X360 ...... They not have details like Gran Turismo, some cars like Porsche is from Forza 6 upgrade that is not bad, because this upgrade was not free.... But still not good enough like Gran Turismo. You have 400 cars in Forza, but only 10% is "good" the rest is very bad "for nowdays" , cockpit view is terrible like Honda prelude 2000 or Nissan Skyline 1987..... No doubt 1000x better Gran Turismo.
I hate the stiff camera position in GT7, I’ve played once and I played in interior mode and it felt great, and this is coming from a forza fanboy
Yeah, the default chase cam is stiff. But like the interior view, it can be adjusted to give it a more dynamic feel. People seem to ignore this completely.
I remember I could make drone camera in GT Sport to jiggle more like in Forza
@@dutchnieuwnick301 that’s cool. I sometimes wish Forza was more innovative.
FM: you control the car.
GT: you control the camera.
Forza hands down no conversation. Played all of them. Forza is way ahead of gt. Just being honest for everything it offers. Why buy gt over forza if you have the choice? That's crazy.
Gt handling is perfectly fine for me
Having raced cars IRL, Forza definitely gives the feed back that you'd expect from a car, GT is less realistic. I only drive from cockpit view which gives a much better sense of being in a race car, in that view, the instability of Forza is far more immersive.
I feel like every modern Forza game forces understeer with all of its cars. If you are going above a certain speed it is impossible to turn the wheel further than a little bit. Once you slow down you will see your steering wheel and wheels turn further. Also, they always have damping set too high, and centre spring too low. Forza was all I played for years, and then eventually got into some decent sims on the PC and I was like "Oh! This car CAN go around corners at more than 10mph.
Exactly! I've tried doing the same thing in ACC, and I was pleasantly surprised to find that it can be done at 80mph, which is much easier compared to FM where you need to be around 40mph. Even a supercar in FM looks quite odd doing that maneuver
Great video. The only suggestion i would make is to turn the camera effects either down or off completely. It gives a much better sense of what the car is doing. I have no issues driving close quarters with the hood cam honestly.
I completely agree, hood camera all the way
Are you showing online footage for GT7? Cuz throughout the video the cars seem jerky like they are suffering from lag.
The thing that has puzzled my mind about Forza for years is included in the clip a bit late, but I look at it differently and feel that in Forza the cars drift a little! Now I don't know if it is because of the camera that it moves very smoothly or is it really like that? Even by turning off the camera, there is this feeling in the drift, now friends who play on PC can analyze this case, is the problem with the camera or do the cars in Forza really drift when turning even at low speed???
Personally, I prefer the camera from Forza over GT Sport & 7, but I get it and agree with your point that is harder to be precise with FM. Nonetheless, the camera from GT7/Sport feels super stiff, and that for me I get sensation that the car is static and the track moves under the car. While in FM if really feels I'm driving/moving over the track.
However, I believe it's also a matter of the controls, I'm playing on controller and after some adjustments (reducing the dead zones to less than 5) I managed get it more as I would like, which is more responsive. It's more twitchy, but now any over/under steering is totally on me. I still use traction control but no brake assist. I think I will need to get again a wheel, but this time a Fanatec instead of a Logitech (G920) to use it on both FM and GT. I got one in 2017 for FM7, but I felt it was nearly useless since the physics where so off.
Yeah, with GT7, although the physics themselves don’t indicate the cars are on rails, the camera VERY MUCH SO contradicts that.
Aren't cars planted in real life? 😂 can't people drive side by side without making contact in real life races? 😂 what kind of nonsensical comparison is this? Judging physics by how the chasecame behave? 🤦
Cars can be planted in Forza. The default setups are horrendous, so people need to tune their car before driving. Random Callsign said that Forza's tire physics are almost perfect. They just need a little tweaking.
Learn to listen better.
You can feel they weight of the car in Forza when you’re hitting an apex. In grand turismo the car feels like the same evenly distributed weight throughout all corners.
Reading these comments, everyone must be real life race drivers😂. So many experts
Expecting to see a full grid next time I race!!
0:07 Hum something is really wrong with car models and lightning in FM. The car looks so dull with no reflections, almost like matte plastic.
The comparison looks really good 👍 Thanks for your thoughts Kireth
Side note, but looking side by side at the graphics, it still looks like Forza is stuck in the Xbox One graphics era, whereas GT7 looks like a true next gen game.
GT7 isn't a next gen title though.
I'm sry, you might be wrong here: On the left, it's no "regular GTi," it's the R-version. I think it's an AWD, rather than a FWD.
Bruh the other cars movement and mini teleports in GT7 triggered my anxiety 😂😂
You have sold me on the Forza
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No matter the game I never use chase view, I feel that is more for controllers
Any racing game in the last few years for me has been with a wheel and cockpit view, sometimes up close to the windshield but most of the time being able to see the dash
I haven't played GT7 but I feel like Forza is closer to iracing or ACC when you get close to others. "netcode sorry :)" lol
That funny i use controller in cockpit or bumper view. A lot of folks mistaken im on steering wheel when im not.
I can't believe you compare either one to ACC or iracing.
I too drive GT7 with a controller and I never use the chase view. Either dashboard or hood view.
@@RennsportRacer same i never use the chase view
From what I've driven of the new forza with a full rig, i can confidently say that when comparing my real qorld track experience. Forza is not as realistic as GT7. GT7 is also no assetto or iracing, but GT7 is far closer to that end of the sim wprld than the new forza.
I’d say otherwise. And I simracer for 7 years, karting and race cars on tracks… and I personally feel forza does better
Previous gran Turismo games the camera behaved like it does on the left. In gran Turismo 7 3rd person view it's as if the camera is fixed to the back of the car. At first I didn't like it, but I think it's better now .
Anyone saying forza is more realistic handling probably hasn’t even driven a manual before let alone having any track experience. cars have weight in GT. gotta love AWD cars having mid corner oversteer 😂
Imo when it comes to simulating real life physics, precision is key. If GT7 physics are more precise than FM then that makes it better at simulating a real car.
I also think FM needs to have an option to lock the camera to the car in chase mode. I never use the chase camera, but from what I've seen, it can get a little confusing knowing how your car is handling with the camera moving around.
Forza seems to incorporate the need to plant a cars weight before entering the turn before it is "planted".
If you play any other view on Gran Turismo, the “principles” are absolutely present. In Gran Turismo, the camera is fixed to the tail of the car, even when the car is drifting/sliding. In Forza, the the car can rotate more freely without the camera needing to move. Grew up racing forza, and always thought it was weird that the the camera is fixed to the tail of the car. Now I play GT7 pretty religiously…. But I don’t play in chase cam….
I found the comment "forza will give you better car control" laughable. Driving in Forza is nothing like real life. The cars are way too skating. Racing tyres especially. GT7 is far more accurate as a driving simulator.
Couldn’t disagree more. Forza physics need some work still, but as someone who owns a 2017 C63s and has tracked it several times, i find Forza to be a more accurate representation of what it feels like to drive near and past the limits with that car. GT7 is way too stiff. Not dramatic enough, no real feeling of the car dealing with load transfer around consecutive tight corners, no real feeling of squirming and squatting under hard breaking. Just overall a less immersive experience for me as i feel the cars are way too planted and on rails. Maybe for some, this is easier and more enjoyable. But definitely not more realistic, and that’s what turns me away from GT7 in favor of Forza.
@amgbenz0664 absolutely wrong. The weight transfer and physics in GT7 is far superior.
@@scottd7222 I totally agree. I've spent many hours on real tracks. Forza is definitely too slippy for real life. Track tires on sports cars do feel like you are on rails.
@@leightonmorrell3597 And that’s exactly why i can tell you weird Sony fanboys are just 12 year olds who lie. Wtf would tires have to do with the essentially non-existent load transfer feeling during tight cornering and squatting and squirming feeling under hard breaking? This is an issue with unrealistic default spring/ damper setups and an almost F1 amount of downforce on a road car, which is completely unrealistic. Has nothing to do with the tires specifically when talking about the sensation of a car feeling on rails. Please stop embarrassing yourself
@@scottd7222 There is essentially no load transfer feeling at all in GT7, so calling something that’s non-existent “far superior” is comical 😂
Well as I play using controller Forza lively chase cam is what I need, it really gives info how car moves etc. I have played GT7 but its stiff/fixed chase cam is so nauseating that I cant enjoy that at all. There are lot of chasecam implementions in racing games and Forza one is hands down best one, gives very good visual feedback for controller user.
Bro gt7 has authentic feeling of cars handling rear wheel drive car over steer front wheel drive under steer forza var handling is not real u can over steer any car how is that realistic??
1:05 speaking of physics, the AI seems to be having a problem with them in GT7 while you are addressing Forza's problem with physics, but I guess that is another issue to address when comparing GT and Forza.
Not AI, lag issue in online lobby
I feel like this isn’t JUST physics. I have spent a lot of time on track and although I agree, that forza has the LOOK of better physics, I also feel that I your brain/body compensates for some of that movement (of the car under you), but the seat of you pants FEELS what Forza is trying to mimic/synthesise. I don’t think this points at a worse physics engine in GT, but maybe a dulled down representation of how is feels in real life? Does that make sense? I feel like my preference would skew toward GT7… but with a tad more Forza 😂
I just saw further down the comments you can turn cockpit wobble on in GT7… got to give that a go asap
why dont you drive in 1rd person or hood cam? then you could get closer in my opinion more car feel.
Was watching another channels stream, asked about comparing Forza to gt7, guy would get so edgy and fly of the handle. I like the vibe on this channel.
It’s like why do you think we watch content 😂
for the drama 😂
Car Model of the Golf Looks absolute low on Forza.
Just based on the video I would choose fm for the games online stability as there’s clearly some issues with cars being all caddywhompas on gt
You are either a Forza Motorsport person or you are a GT. You're not going to pull a group of people from one to the other get over. Only content creators and people who only play racing games are going to do both. Each console has its own great racing game, can we just leave it at that.
Im a gt7 guy but i enjoy both and both do thinga better then the other .. called not being a console hoe
@@solace4114: Racing game are like every other game, if you like it, you buy it. These games are not trying to be the same thing. Not only that, both sides can add whatever they want to the game when they want. People will argue about this stuff, when they can buy either game.
forza still feels better even after switching the camera on gt7 I have like 1000 or more hours into gt7... I just call it how i see it. Forza is better its ok. it came out after it SHOULD be better....
@@willierhone6244Actuality FM was created to be GT for PC and Xbox. So in a way it is trying to be the same.
@@La4o21: Fair enough, they are trying to compare it to GT7 as a way to say their game is better. I just hope they play the game more than they brag about it being better. These people talk and don't play, I have 900 hours in GT7, because I only want one racing game, because I play other games.
If its too “varied” in 3rd person camera mode, why not play in either of the cockpit modes? Thats what I do and based on my own real world experience between the two games Forza Motorsport is definitely the more realistic of the two. Gran Turismo feels too arcadey.
I find GT series easier. It's my 1st time to play Forza Motorsport and it's easier to make mistakes and harder to correct them. I love the GT series btw since this is what got me addicted to racing. I don't know if the FM is closer to real life but it's noticeable harder to control.
I'm sorry but the chase car view comparison is silly as in real life, cars move under braking and rotation...which doesn't seem to be shown in GT7 hence the "on rails" effect. It's the thing i hate most about GT7.
Just my 2p but a better comparison would be bonnet or in car views as I feel FM has that licked...
I 100% disagree with you. I adore gt but the chase camera sucks. Forza has a way better chase camera
Edit: I’ve played both extensively
How look Forza Motorsport left 🤔 ?
Is very difficult to my monitor
There’s a lot of comparisons between FM8 and Gran Tourismo. Would be interested to see comparisons with other car games, like FH5, F1 2023, Asseto Corso, BeamNG, NFS, Mariokart etc.
GT7 has oversteer at turning and braking in FF cars such as the GTi, I think there are two things happening, first you might have sport hard tires and feel too grippy for the car, and also you have a great control of the car turning and braking at the same time that's why you don't slight oversteer. But for example I play GT7 with controller and it's very difficult to get the perfect turn like you did, and you tend to oversteer more (even in FF cars) because you're being less precise. Maybe you can learn how to do that in Forza, or maybe the physics are still a bit oversteery for the sake of fun
I hate how stiff the gran turismo camera is
GT7's 3rd person driving is terrible. Forza 7's braking is terrible. I haven't tried Forza Motorsport yet.
Forza online is amazing 🏎️
I think it gets unwarranted hate from GT fans because they have a PlayStation and not an Xbox
Even though it's a so called simcade I believe you should only play racing games in car or bonnet view,outside of car is for proper arcade racers
Don't see how Forza gives GT7 a big problem. For PS only owners, they will only play GT7, so likely don't care how Forza looks or feels. So to a PS only owner, its not really a big problem.
Try comparing Forza to other titles on the same platform, so on PC compare it to Rennsport, iRacing, ACC, rFActor2, AMS2, RaceRoom etc.
Oversteer!😂 thats because steering sensitivity and linearity are way to aggressive. Lower them down to 10. Real cars dont steer linearly. Theres a turning ratio of wheel to actual car front wheel turning. Its exponential curve.
Linearity 10
Sensitivity 10
Steer Lock range 45 to 75 depending on type of car
Pointless argument. They're both arcade made for children to play on consoles with pads.
Im happy we can debate again which is best from these two titles, lat GT game I played was on myGT4 on my PS2 and then I went over to Xbox. Forza2 was where my journey started and up to FM4 it was amazing. After that I struggled on the Xbox one with FM5 but it was still enjoyable game but then I started playing Profect Cars which was fresh and the go-kart racing in career mode was just incredible. I have been PC2 for a bit now before I start playing the latest FM, today I start and I'm hoping it has progressed at least.
How come you are not driving in cockpit view Kireth
why you have explicit to announce you are a "top split" driver? is it missing confidence or a mental thing?
Why dont anybody compare from cockpit view?
I drive cockpit so I don't see what you're seeing. Can't speak on this new GT but I'm starting to really enjoy Forza. The AI is pretty video gamey in Forza until you go very hard difficulty. With that said... I like it.
I dont think a AWD car would make the rear end more unstable. The only thing that is unstable here is the Playstation fanboys mind.
Does the cockpit view exhibit the same tendency to oversteer? My feeling is that it is how the 3rd person view shows it.
Watching Rory race in cockpit view gave me no sense of the arcadey physics. U are of equivalent skill.
Kireth, do u get this 'feel' in cockpit view?
I play in cockpit view and haven't experienced any kind of odd camera behavior.
What’s glaring is how unrealistic the suspension moves in FM. The car is bouncing up and down all over the place at crazy angles despite no momentum to justify it.
It’s extremely overdone like a motion rig setup for rollercoaster effects. In real life cars don’t bounce and pitch back and forth like that.
Y u using the chase cam?
And neither of these will ever come close to as good as Midnight Club was.
People need to use hood cam, not chase cam
Yeah, good cam is actually good. I use wheel view but hood is good too.
Dude doesn't know the difference between the Golf R and GTi. Gran Turismo is easily more realistic when compared to actually driving.
Interesting comparison! I just find it near impossible to enjoy FM even after trying 6 different FFB configs, so I'm still tweaking. In general the biggest issue though is the braking power/braking curve. Every other sim I'm planting my load cell pedal hard and pressing my back into the seat, but on FM I'm locking my wheels up with maybe 2cm of travel. As a result, my braking references are entirely off in FM compared to the same cars and tracks not only in GT, but AC, ACC, and others.
huh interesting!!
The cars are tune in gran tourismo in forza you have to tune them yourself that’s why they handle better drive a stock car on gt7 and race it on Nurburgring and stamp the breaks
Forza is more Arcady always has been and will be
From visual perspective I like Forza much much more
Kireth please do video on FOV and camera settings on forza motorsport !
Thank you for the video, but I couldn’t care less about how a VW Golf handles.
I mean... if you're going to use a game to make you a better real world driver, stop playing in chase cam. Obviously, I do get why people use it. It's fun and you get to look at the car...but it isn't realistic regardless of what game you're playing.
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Why are you comparing a AWD and FWD?🤔
Start learning driving skill in GT7, and bring the skill continue advance in Forza M
By the way, Forza M driver seat view + Xbox controller is good to drive
Like a couple of reactions already mention. Golf R against a GTI. 4x4 against FWD. And stil the R's back steps out. While the GTI in GT7 may have a little oversteer as that is quite light on the back, the R should be planted with it's 4WD. Car physics in Forza lacking a bit here.
Played Forza until Forza 4. Cars really felt planted there. And.. you really could make touring cars out of anything. Forza 5 was terrible with car physics. 7 is not very different when I played it last weekend. No.. I know GT7's physics can be better, but I still prefer them over Forza.
Never have I liked the physics in forza
forza still feels better even after switching the camera on gt7 I have like 1000 or more hours into gt7... I just call it how i see it. Forza is better its ok. it came out after it SHOULD be better....
@leiferikson7052 it's not better though. L take.
Using a wheel and out of car camera is weird to me
Sounds like a skill issue, I’ve never had the issues you are talking about with Forza and now with the penalty system, online racing is pretty damn clean
Brain dead comment
The better way of doing this would be to use replays and avoid chase cam due to the differences in application.
Please make more Forza multiplayer races. They are awesome. Many thanks
GT7 isn't more precise, it's literally just understeer.
GT7 adjusted its handling post this video, and actually added? More slide/oversteer 😅 like Forza Motorsport 😂 IMO neither game feels like real life. Neither gane even animate that driver's hands/arms to turn the wheel correctly 😅 (sad honestly). iRacing, ACC, and Automobilista are the closest games I've played to real life.
Can't wait for the F1 arcade to open in D.C.
Camera angles? Preference. I prefer the FM camera, but I've always used bumper or in car.
The 3rd person view in GT7 is locked to the car as if the track is moving and not the car. This view imo is horrible and probably why most ppl who play GT7 or any previous GT title won't use that view. Most ppl use bump, hood, or in car views.
That's a bold strategy, Kireth. Let's see if it pays off.
Bruh you can turn camera motion effects off
I find it very funny that your not taking about the proformance on pc....
Why not like both?