I have 5 Tm from 2019 to 2022 125 Mx to Fi, we race the national in Sweden plus enduro. The bike is more expsive because the parts are way better, triple clamps are forged the brakes are Brembo highest quality not what's on KTM, the crank is easy 40 more than KTM. I have Lanier suspen on the kyb unit front and back cost 2000 us vs cone valve 8000, although Trax unit is much better. I have also Dyno all the 125 and yes they lack 2-3 HP on top but ate 3 HP stronger in upper mid range were you most ride. A race 125 with all the works/suspension from KTM is 18k us the Tm is 12 as you can order engine work from the factory, the KTM is a easier bike to race+YZ but if you are a good 2-stroke pro then this is it.
Rode MX bikes all my days, and have to say the TM is one of the best. So much so i kept an old 98 TM 125 MX bike, because it was that good, which is still going strong now in 2022 ! Parts from TM direct, of course will be expensive …. Same as going to a BMW main dealer for parts. TM use alot of crossover parts, which have been mentioned before. Do your research, and a TM wont cost you an arm & a leg. Our old TM is sitting there with up to date MX bikes and is still the one everyone wants to use.
Parts are 2day to my door from California to Florida!! I just bought a shifter lever from cross-shop for $45. Do a little research and save some money. Going to your local dealer is just adding a middle man. Yes OEM parts are pricey but seldom needed and are of very high quality. In 2018 TM got the KYB valving in the suspension dialed in and have only gotten better. Yes, gas cap does leak and can drive u nuts. I just crank it down and it stops, just something I get use to.
I love mine too - although it's a new EN300ES with a built engine. Only took four years for my broke ass to save. Leagues better than the 2020 Husqvarna TPI I had, and that bike is phenomenal. Even my engine parts came in ptetty quickly compared to things I ordered in the Husqvarna/KTM Powerparts. Love it better than the new Yamaha 4t I had too! Great bike! Gonna order myself the new 450 in another couple years (2023 MX450Fi). Awesome machine, and my modified 300 2t seriously has rear wheel HP numbers that match 450s, no lie! Those VHM heads with High Compression MX Racing Inserts really wake it up with the full Pro Circuit system - but I got alot more than that on there! It hangs with the 450 crowd EASILY!!!
@@jonathondavis170 man idk what your talking about easy to use website. Cross shop really sucks. I’m trying to order a front wheel bearing. None of the parts have any description. I’m not even sure what fits my bike. There’s a kit that says it’s for my bike but photo just shows seals. Really Annoying
@@brapperdan I've always called their hotline with "Get Dirty"dirt bikes and between them and my dealer I've NEVER had a problem. It's been a simple process with TM Racing USA EVERY SINGLE TIME. :) I've even spoke with the importer a bunch, and they've been very helpful with the whole buying and modification process! I LOVE the bike WAY more than that 2020 Husqvarna TPI I had and sold. NowI have a 2022 Honda CRF450R (building it into an RX with XPR Engines), andthe professionals of TM Racing know more about their modifications than most Honda dealerships know about engine modifications and Racing (I am lucky enough to find 2 really good Honda racing dealerships though). Sorry your experience hasn't been as pleasurable, but mine has been amazing , and these newer TMs from 2019 on hit the mark in every category really. :) I'd just call the TM Racing hotlines and speak to Ralph (the importer - and I may not have his name right lol), or the owner of Get Dirty which is the second number to get you hooked up with parts. Also try Frank's Motorbikes in Bellevue, WA (Seattle Area) and he helps people all around the USA AND Canada get what they want and need. :) Take care.
😂 I actually love em. I first made a video 5 things I love about TM so I figured I’d make another video talking about some of the negatives. If you can’t tell I was grasping at straws trying to come up with 5 bad things, they are actually great bikes. Check out my other video “5 things I love.”
While I will agree certain things are more money like shrouds or rear fender, there is a lot of crossover for these. The clutch is Honda, that being said the prox replacement for stock is no more than an oem Japanese clutch, the gas cap is not an issue if the rubber seal is properly installed, flat screwdriver to push it into the cap fully will stop the leaks completely. The dealers might be hit and miss so deal with TM usa direct, they usually will have parts to you in 1-2 days, no different than anything not stocked locally. One thing nobody mentions is TM uses very high grade hardware, stuff doesn’t rattle off nearly as much as other brands, the bolts don’t strip as easy. Maintenance wise they’re the same as any two stroke. Suspension wise really depends on the person, regardless of the bike you should be setting them up. If you ride a TM back to back with anything, you will notice immediately the handling and fit and finish that they are built very well.. I personally thought this is a bit nit picky, but that’s just my opinion.
Your right it is kinda nit picky. I made a video before this about 5 things I love so I figured I’d do one with 5 things I don’t like. By the way I wish there was a comprehensive list of crossover parts to reference because it’s not easy finding the info for the specific year you need.
@@brapperdan there is a thread on ThumperTalk explaining on all those crossover parts. Another one is levers, they’re ktm levers, brake pads, there is stuff that is annoying and specific like sprockets. Weird thing I found was the fork guard is Honda but somehow they have them made in blue. The radiator louvres are ktm and even have a ktm logo which made me lol. Seat covers off mid 2k Honda crs work. The main big parts obviously are TM but personally after 80hrs of hard abuse and minimal maint, I haven’t had a single issue with the bike not caused by my lack of skill or crashing.. as far as I am concerned my opinion is they are equally as reliable as a Honda or better..
@@brapperdan Thank you for doing this though. I've never seen one of these in person and I'd really like to try one of their trail bikes. My only hang up is every European car I've ever owned I've ended up hating. And I'm a mechanic. I'm a little nervous to try a Euro bike.
The video looks like a clickbait, not so much helping. It's way too personal preference especially the gas cap think. perfect bikes, in Europe the bike's parts are cheaper than KTM
where i live there fairly common i only driven the road legal version nover drivien the mx version it shares alot of parts with derbi,rieju,beta and sherco parts arnt to hard to find try serching stuff in italin or polish
Sure ain’t the same thing, u ever watch 250 shootouts? TM always gets last. Reason why people want aftermarket FMF pipes on the TM, make it a lil better and faster.
Im not, I based that statement off pro mx rider reviews. None of them liked the suspension very much compared to other brands like Yamaha and ktm. I’ve heard the new Tms have great suspension though.
The things he listed are major ! I like the bike until he said there isn't any after market parts or support. Dealers far and in-between, costly parts, the gas cap could be fixed by making a gasket from an old inter-tube. I was thinking TM was the way to go but maybe not now.
I mean the bike comes with exhaust, reeds, excel wheels, and brembo brakes so they don’t need much as far as aftermarket goes. Check out my 5 things I love about TM video if you haven’t yet
@@brapperdan I’m not worried I’m stoked I have issues with my 22 te300i and whatever not big issues, a tsp map will fix it No issues at all with my wife’s 22 beta xtrainer yet Nothings perfect but tm looks like they take the most care in their builds
You actually miss 2 main things to hate on TM bikes and they are actually quit big to be honest. First is the airbox how small it is and how painful is to change the air filter… tight space to manuver your hands with greasy air filtr and its almost imposible to change it without a big risk of wipeing out a dirt from the subframe and battery case on the inside side of the airfilter risking a potencional damege for the engine, no good in race conditions. Second is the rear brake🙄 brake pump dont have a good protection and seal to prevent getting a dust and mud into a brake pump, brake pump is only seald with one simple rubber bushing that dont have any clip or something to hold it proprly in place , so you ride and suddenly you dont have rear brake… but u have mud in the piston….. and scratechs deep like someone was trying to cut inside of your brake pump with a angle grinder. Also thats my advice chack under the rubber bushing often so you dont need to throw up 200dollars for new brake pump.
$11.7k USD in Missoula MT for the 300 fuel injected 2T if its worth the drive 😂 I've been really chomping at the bit to buy one, comes with upgraded radiators and oversized fuel tank
If that's your only complaints your a whiner...parts..Dave at dirty dirt bikes. Price on par with KTM. Gas cap LMAO...works fine....parts and repair on par with KTM...whatever...horrible review...drive better and you won't need a shift lever..
I also have a 5 things I love about TM racing video, check that one out too. I never said these were big problems. TM makes very good bikes I owned 2 of them at one time
Pro-racers need the forks to be stiff, this is not really an armature bike.
If you can't replace a lever. Get a quad
I have 5 Tm from 2019 to 2022 125 Mx to Fi, we race the national in Sweden plus enduro. The bike is more expsive because the parts are way better, triple clamps are forged the brakes are Brembo highest quality not what's on KTM, the crank is easy 40 more than KTM. I have Lanier suspen on the kyb unit front and back cost 2000 us vs cone valve 8000, although Trax unit is much better. I have also Dyno all the 125 and yes they lack 2-3 HP on top but ate 3 HP stronger in upper mid range were you most ride. A race 125 with all the works/suspension from KTM is 18k us the Tm is 12 as you can order engine work from the factory, the KTM is a easier bike to race+YZ but if you are a good 2-stroke pro then this is it.
Cross shop usa has all oem or after market parts and great support
Hey Dan! Thanks for the video! Looks like a great bike despite these little things!
Rode MX bikes all my days, and have to say the TM is one of the best. So much so i kept an old 98 TM 125 MX bike, because it was that good, which is still going strong now in 2022 ! Parts from TM direct, of course will be expensive …. Same as going to a BMW main dealer for parts. TM use alot of crossover parts, which have been mentioned before. Do your research, and a TM wont cost you an arm & a leg. Our old TM is sitting there with up to date MX bikes and is still the one everyone wants to use.
Parts are 2day to my door from California to Florida!! I just bought a shifter lever from cross-shop for $45. Do a little research and save some money. Going to your local dealer is just adding a middle man. Yes OEM parts are pricey but seldom needed and are of very high quality. In 2018 TM got the KYB valving in the suspension dialed in and have only gotten better. Yes, gas cap does leak and can drive u nuts. I just crank it down and it stops, just something I get use to.
Ok thanks for the info. Both my bikes are 2017 so that’s all I can speak on. Glad to hear the suspension is better on the 2018 and up.
I love mine too - although it's a new EN300ES with a built engine. Only took four years for my broke ass to save. Leagues better than the 2020 Husqvarna TPI I had, and that bike is phenomenal. Even my engine parts came in ptetty quickly compared to things I ordered in the Husqvarna/KTM Powerparts. Love it better than the new Yamaha 4t I had too! Great bike! Gonna order myself the new 450 in another couple years (2023 MX450Fi). Awesome machine, and my modified 300 2t seriously has rear wheel HP numbers that match 450s, no lie! Those VHM heads with High Compression MX Racing Inserts really wake it up with the full Pro Circuit system - but I got alot more than that on there! It hangs with the 450 crowd EASILY!!!
Also the TM Racing USA Webshop is as easy to use as the Powerparts catalog, and like I said, even found shipping faster in a few cases!!!
@@jonathondavis170 man idk what your talking about easy to use website. Cross shop really sucks. I’m trying to order a front wheel bearing. None of the parts have any description. I’m not even sure what fits my bike. There’s a kit that says it’s for my bike but photo just shows seals. Really Annoying
@@brapperdan I've always called their hotline with "Get Dirty"dirt bikes and between them and my dealer I've NEVER had a problem. It's been a simple process with TM Racing USA EVERY SINGLE TIME. :) I've even spoke with the importer a bunch, and they've been very helpful with the whole buying and modification process! I LOVE the bike WAY more than that 2020 Husqvarna TPI I had and sold. NowI have a 2022 Honda CRF450R (building it into an RX with XPR Engines), andthe professionals of TM Racing know more about their modifications than most Honda dealerships know about engine modifications and Racing (I am lucky enough to find 2 really good Honda racing dealerships though).
Sorry your experience hasn't been as pleasurable, but mine has been amazing , and these newer TMs from 2019 on hit the mark in every category really. :) I'd just call the TM Racing hotlines and speak to Ralph (the importer - and I may not have his name right lol), or the owner of Get Dirty which is the second number to get you hooked up with parts. Also try Frank's Motorbikes in Bellevue, WA (Seattle Area) and he helps people all around the USA AND Canada get what they want and need. :) Take care.
Why you bought 2 if you hate it
😂 I actually love em. I first made a video 5 things I love about TM so I figured I’d make another video talking about some of the negatives. If you can’t tell I was grasping at straws trying to come up with 5 bad things, they are actually great bikes. Check out my other video “5 things I love.”
@@brapperdan oh okay🤣🤣
you bought a cross tm mx, so it has a stiff suspension,buy an enduro like tm en, it will have a soft suspension - perfect for off-road driving😉
Actually I had this one revalved for woods riding so it’s not stiff anymore
In Europe they come standard with Ohlins, front and rear, the best there is.
While I will agree certain things are more money like shrouds or rear fender, there is a lot of crossover for these. The clutch is Honda, that being said the prox replacement for stock is no more than an oem Japanese clutch, the gas cap is not an issue if the rubber seal is properly installed, flat screwdriver to push it into the cap fully will stop the leaks completely. The dealers might be hit and miss so deal with TM usa direct, they usually will have parts to you in 1-2 days, no different than anything not stocked locally. One thing nobody mentions is TM uses very high grade hardware, stuff doesn’t rattle off nearly as much as other brands, the bolts don’t strip as easy. Maintenance wise they’re the same as any two stroke. Suspension wise really depends on the person, regardless of the bike you should be setting them up. If you ride a TM back to back with anything, you will notice immediately the handling and fit and finish that they are built very well.. I personally thought this is a bit nit picky, but that’s just my opinion.
Your right it is kinda nit picky. I made a video before this about 5 things I love so I figured I’d do one with 5 things I don’t like. By the way I wish there was a comprehensive list of crossover parts to reference because it’s not easy finding the info for the specific year you need.
@@brapperdan there is a thread on ThumperTalk explaining on all those crossover parts. Another one is levers, they’re ktm levers, brake pads, there is stuff that is annoying and specific like sprockets. Weird thing I found was the fork guard is Honda but somehow they have them made in blue. The radiator louvres are ktm and even have a ktm logo which made me lol. Seat covers off mid 2k Honda crs work. The main big parts obviously are TM but personally after 80hrs of hard abuse and minimal maint, I haven’t had a single issue with the bike not caused by my lack of skill or crashing.. as far as I am concerned my opinion is they are equally as reliable as a Honda or better..
So an MX bike in the woods is suspended too stiff. Who woulda guessed.
I know right? I’m breaking new barriers of discovery over here I tell ya.
@@brapperdan Thank you for doing this though.
I've never seen one of these in person and I'd really like to try one of their trail bikes.
My only hang up is every European car I've ever owned I've ended up hating. And I'm a mechanic. I'm a little nervous to try a Euro bike.
You don’t need aftermarket if the bike is squared away out of the factory
Factory parts can take weeks to months to get the parts. Bike falls over crack clutch cover, now u gotta wait long ass time to get it.
The video looks like a clickbait, not so much helping.
It's way too personal preference especially the gas cap think.
perfect bikes, in Europe the bike's parts are cheaper than KTM
Buuuuttttt, great bike. I had once in the past. Loved it
I have a 5 things I love video as well check that one out too
Let me guess bro 15 secs in hmmm parts r hard to get and expensive
Hahaha how'd you know!!!
where i live there fairly common i only driven the road legal version nover drivien the mx version it shares alot of parts with derbi,rieju,beta and sherco parts arnt to hard to find try serching stuff in italin or polish
Deal with cross shop USA. They have all kinds of aftermarket parts
Great break down.
Yes it cost more than a stock Japanese bike but after you add all the aftermarket stuff the cost is similar.
Yeah pretty much.
Sure ain’t the same thing, u ever watch 250 shootouts? TM always gets last. Reason why people want aftermarket FMF pipes on the TM, make it a lil better and faster.
If a fella could come out with a stock bike where a suspension was tunable for most riders from the factory. Stay safe
Don’t get a mx bike for woods / enduro and say the suspension sucks
Im not, I based that statement off pro mx rider reviews. None of them liked the suspension very much compared to other brands like Yamaha and ktm. I’ve heard the new Tms have great suspension though.
So it's not your opinion at all? Whys it in the video then
@@MrLibertyGamer it’s a widely held opinion by everyone including me and even your mom.
The things he listed are major ! I like the bike until he said there isn't any after market parts or support.
Dealers far and in-between, costly parts, the gas cap could be fixed by making a gasket from an old inter-tube.
I was thinking TM was the way to go but maybe not now.
I mean the bike comes with exhaust, reeds, excel wheels, and brembo brakes so they don’t need much as far as aftermarket goes. Check out my 5 things I love about TM video if you haven’t yet
The gas cap is just a standard small type Acerbis cap.
Iv never heard of them…. Until now
Just ordered a 2023 yesterday and $16,125 out the door
Damn that’s nuts. A lot of these issues have been fixed too so your bike should be pretty mint
@@brapperdan I’m not worried
I’m stoked
I have issues with my 22 te300i and whatever not big issues, a tsp map will fix it
No issues at all with my wife’s 22 beta xtrainer yet
Nothings perfect but tm looks like they take the most care in their builds
@@benmartin6476 what model did you get?
@@brapperdan 300en fi , ordered it with oversized gas tank, rad fan, skid plate and stung and valved for my weight
Forgot, gas cap is changed from 2021
So is it worth it if your on a budget?
If you can afford to have a ktm this isn’t much different.
Definitely no buying parts are too much availability for a dealer
Hate is a strong word
TH-cam is about exaggerating and getting views don’t take it too seriously. TM’s are great bikes. Watch my 5 things I love about TM’s video also
You actually miss 2 main things to hate on TM bikes and they are actually quit big to be honest. First is the airbox how small it is and how painful is to change the air filter… tight space to manuver your hands with greasy air filtr and its almost imposible to change it without a big risk of wipeing out a dirt from the subframe and battery case on the inside side of the airfilter risking a potencional damege for the engine, no good in race conditions. Second is the rear brake🙄 brake pump dont have a good protection and seal to prevent getting a dust and mud into a brake pump, brake pump is only seald with one simple rubber bushing that dont have any clip or something to hold it proprly in place , so you ride and suddenly you dont have rear brake… but u have mud in the piston….. and scratechs deep like someone was trying to cut inside of your brake pump with a angle grinder. Also thats my advice chack under the rubber bushing often so you dont need to throw up 200dollars for new brake pump.
Interesting, I never knew about the brake issue.I’ll keep an eye on it. I just changed my filter and the air box seems kinda normal size to me though.
2022 tm300en here in Alberta Canada
$15,200 out the door
Daaaamn.
$11.7k USD in Missoula MT for the 300 fuel injected 2T if its worth the drive 😂 I've been really chomping at the bit to buy one, comes with upgraded radiators and oversized fuel tank
Put an o-ring in the fuel cap.. Biggest problem solved
What kind of o ring? It already has a gasket in there.
I can see to can't ride the bike to its potential. Remember to post your riding skills.
If that's your only complaints your a whiner...parts..Dave at dirty dirt bikes. Price on par with KTM. Gas cap LMAO...works fine....parts and repair on par with KTM...whatever...horrible review...drive better and you won't need a shift lever..
I also have a 5 things I love about TM racing video, check that one out too. I never said these were big problems. TM makes very good bikes I owned 2 of them at one time