AUSSIE TM WARRANTY 30 DAYS OR 3 MONTHS?! The TM warranty in Australia may only be 30 days! The bike in this vid had problem at two months old, the dealer wouldn't help because it was apparently only a 30 day warranty. When I mentioned this publicly Facebook, the national distributor quickly ran Ben, assured him it was three months, then offered to help fix the bike. But now I hear another Australian TM owner has been told his bike is outside the 30 day warranty and won't be fixed! So make sure you get your warranty put down in writing. TM WARRANTY IN OTHER COUNTRIES? It varies from 30 days to three months to one year in other countries... check with your dealer for your situation. Also modifications may void the warranty. WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR TM Fi? Unfortunately, we have started having troubles with the fuel injection. At first, the Australian distributor and dealer weren't willing to look into the problem and said it was outside the warranty. The owner spent days trying to diagnose the issue, buying new sensors etc. We mentioned the lack of support online then the distributor agreed to buy the bike back at a reduced price. In the meantime, we've seen others complaining about similar issues. I strongly suggest buying the carb model. If we ever find out what the problem was, we'll post it here. OTHER TM EN300 KNOWN ISSUES? I've trawled the forums and dozen of owners comments on this vid and the Facebook one.... the vast majority say zero problems, at least with carb model. Weak battery? A few owners said it's a bit weak and flattens easily if starting a lot. Grunt? Fi owners agree the lowdown power lacks a bit (without ECU tweaks), and the carb is better. Electronic powervalve resetting? Two owners have this on every start so they rigged up switches to stop it. A few owners said jetting was too rich for their area and plugs fouled until they rejetted (beware, this may void the warranty). Connected with above, two commented on heavy fuel use until they rejetted. One owner said the design of the rear hub makes it easy to break spokes if your chain comes off on the inside - only one report online of this worldwide so not sure if it's a biggie or not. Forks? Quite a few owners agreed with me that the forks are a bit harsh for low speed riding. Power serve cable? One 2017 owner said his power serve cable was torn three times and replaced.
Any news on the Fuel Injection Problems? I will order a TM in the next few month and retire my orange pumkin. If you have any suggestions for fixes for the problem i would love to hear them so i can be ahead of the game.
Good to see TM content. TM is everything quality and for sure they can stamp the "Ready to Race" slogan instead of an orange brand that nowadays sells more like expensive "Ready to Ride" bikes.
Another 3 votes for TM from the USA. I ride a EN300FI, my wife rides a EN250FI, and my best friend/riding buddy/business partner rides a EN300 Carb. All 3 bikes have been exceptional. All 3 bikes have 50-80 hours on them with zero issues. OEM parts availability through the local importer has been fine, and pricing isn't extravagant. As far as the bling parts, you dont really need much for it, it comes blinged out from the factory. And there are a few companies out there that make the "necessities", such as gear, billet caliper brackets, skid plates, etc. Maybe a little more pricy than KTM stuff, but way more classy! It's hard to beat the craftsmanship of these hand built bikes. The welds are all awesome, the machining is excellent, and the power is awesome. Your local importer should have the software to easily re-map your ECU if you get the FI version. I have 2 maps on mine with a switch, one thats pretty hot, lifts the front end no problem. The 2nd map is my "traction control", nice for trail riding when i want it a little more softer off idle and going up hills where i might be concerned about getting the front end too high up. The power is extremely linear for a 2 stroke, partially due to their ECU controlled electronic power valve.
Thanks for the feedback. How do you find the low end power compares between yours and the carb? Pretty important for me as we are almost always riding slow at low revs...
@@crosstrainingenduro Personally I don't notice a huge difference between them, but my bike came to me remapped, i got it second hand from a TM sponsored hard enduro rider who had it done up right. I'm biased, but i prefer the FI, both the way it feels and from a maintenance standpoint. The oil injection is really nice, not having to mix fuel is a heck of a convenience when you want to just get on and ride and realize your tank is empty. I also feel like the FI is slightly more linear in power, and a little "cleaner" burning, being TPI there arent any issues with fuel loading up in the crankcase when you're lugging it, so no need to keep cleaning it out.
@@crosstrainingenduro I’m the best friend lol, I ride the carb model and split my riding between hard enduro/open desert and motocross. I find the low end to be plenty adequate, it is softer than ktm two strokes, that being said the power is broader and does not fall off like a ktm. I find it is easy to lug or rev, something of note. I was switching from 12/48 to 13/48 gearing when I was doing the harder enduro stuff but have now found the taller gearing to work plenty well. I believe the lower gearing is nicer when you lack clutch control as some of us do. It should be noted my carb bike has the 5 speed, the first gear is the same as the 6 speed, 6th is a taller gear for those running really low gearing and not wanting compromise. We are connected to TM usa and the hard enduro bikes typically will use 12/50-12/52 depending on where the race is. Mapping is also easily adjustable by the dealer on the carb model. If your ever in the souther us please shoot us a note, we’d love to ride with you guys! I vote TM
I've had several TM bikes over the last decade, (2010 144mx, 2012 125en, 2009 300en, 2015 85mx) and never had any issues other than general wear and tear. They are a great bike, with exceptional performance. Parts are no more expensive than pumpkins.
Youre from Coolum? I I've seen your bikes in James" shop and once had a quick ride behind you, great looking things. He was saying the parts wait was long though? Best looking 2 strokes 👍
@@thisisme7587 Parts for the bikes are usually pretty quick. It was probably me being a bit relaxed. I've still got the 300, and will definitely be getting a newer tm. Cheers
I have owned a 1998 TM300mx, 2007 Tm300en and a 2013 Tm300en. All were absolutley bullet proof. Never had any issues at all. I had the 2013 for about 7 years.
If I needed an enduro bike, this one makes a lot of sense. Kickstart/estart combo? Amazing. KYB suspension!? Yes please! Excellent service? Unheard of (I'm looking at you KTM) Good electrics? No overheating? (again, KTM) No bling? Carb version available? (Again again again KTM) It's like the anti KTM! Hope you and others support this company and set fire to the Pumpkin! They've had their run and they're taking the piss at this point. Cheers
It is great to see more competition for KTM and the clones. They are definitely taking the piss with that 30 day warranty... and the increasing prices. At least here in Australia.
I have EN 125 and i rode little bit enduro with it and now i turned it into a supermotard. It is awesome bike. It has things like 38mm carb, vforce etc. that u normally on other brands have to buy urself. Also things i love is the e-powervalve and map selection switch. Very nice bike on a street too, it has so much high end rpm power so its an absolute beast and ktm killer on street :D
A pair of bathroom scales between your bike and a service stand is actually pretty good for weighing dirt bikes since they are usually well within the range of the bathroom scale.
I’ve had my 2021 300fi for a little over a year now. Absolutely love it, haven’t rode it nearly as much as I’d like but no issues to speak of in a little over 30 hours
few of the lads i ride with had tm 125 mx bikes, absolute weapons to ride and none blew up or had any issues over the years, and they never got much mechanical love either. top class bikes in my opinion.
I owned a TM and it was most probably the best bike I’ve had . The reason I’m on a Beta 300 RR is because there prices were cheaper with about the same Quality of a TM and they are both build in Italy 🇮🇹 in small factories.
Go with the TM! I've owned many bikes and they are by far the best. Great platform to do whatever your heart desires. Parts are not as bad to find or buy as people think.
@@crosstrainingenduro RJ's Suspension on Facebook can hook you up with a lot of stuff and is pretty quick. I have a pretty good list of difficult to find, but not difficult to order stuff especially protection gear. All mostly in Europe but fast delivery on most. Just hard to find if you're not on forums etc
I have a 2014 en250 great bike. Mostly oem parts but I do not find them expensive, only the plastics are a bit over priced. From my experience with the importer here in Portugal in 24 hours I get parts delivered.
I had a 2017 tm 300 fi four stroke enduro bike. I put 60 hours on it before I sold it. At 30 hours I raced a particularly muddy hare scramble. The bike overheated and the clutch plates smelled cooked, so I went for a DNF. Upon getting the bike home, I changed the engine oil first. The curious thing about it was, upon starting the bike, the engine oil would disappear from the sight glass and not return. Didn't matter how much oil you put in, almost double, the same thing kept happening. TMuk were willing to look at the bike. Turns out a plastic cam chain silencer had melted inside the head, gone down the side of the engine and blocked one of the internal oil filters/ screens. Tmuk did all the work for free and replacement parts for free, can't fault their service. If you buy a 4 stroke tm you must put a decent coolant in it and a cooling fan on the rad. The bike handled well and was good on mx tracks. The 300 4 stroke motor was horrible at low revs, had a lot of issues with it flaming out- possibly due to the mapping. The forks benefited from lighter springs and less oil in technical terrain. The rear wheel bearing collapsed at 40 hours. Can't say I've had the best experience with TM bikes.
A pity to hear about those problems. I would hope there are less problems with the two strokes? I know they have been around for a few years now but I'd like to see them become more of an established brand before I considered buying one.
Sherco or TM, TM or Sherco, either one is probably a safe bet. I prefer the look and what’s offered quality wise of the TM, prefer the engine sound of the Sherco. Since it’s 20% bike and 80% rider, and my CRF250F is still more than enough bike for me, (as in my skill is still less than what the bike can do) I’ll just live vicariously through you.
I have this same Bike 2021 300 EN Fi , it was set up by Brian Geddis from BGR Moto.. unbelievable ride and quality, well worth my money and it's always great having a unique bike out on the trails.
I have found us dealer support has been awesome for the TM. I did have my battery go bad, so i upgraded to a larger capacity. Im getting the hard enduro map intalled for slower technical riding. 21 tm 300fi 15hrs love the bike so far. Your vids are awesome 👌
New 22/23 frame ive heard is huge improvement to handling. And they currently cheaper then Sherco and ktm by fair bit and similar to beta rr re for usa
I recently found myself a TM en144 and i absolutely love it! Such a fun ride and feels really solid. Feels so exotic aswell when it stands next to my buddys shercos and Husqvarnas :)
Hell ya TM! Should be an easy choice I think just going off of the warranty and the fact that you hardly hear anything bad about them, no matter how hard you look. I have a '21 300 and about to take delivery of my '22 🤗
I have a 2021 Tm mx250, carbed bike. I have 2 friends who also bought TMs, they bought the 300 mx 2 strokes. We have all raced these bikes, put them through hell, especially our one friend who does a lot of hard enduro type riding, and they have been bulletproof bikes . My one friend races his in expert class and did a top end at 40 hours and the piston came out looking brand new still, and my other friend who put well over 100 hours on it, doing a lot of hard enduro and fast paced single line riding did a top end and his piston and cylinder looked basically new as well, both of them could have went a lot longer without having to do a top end . If you take care of these bikes they will take care of you.
Just replaced my 2022 TM250 with a 300 fi. Only criticism: air filter fits flush to the airbox. It needs a lip to help sealing and the air scoops are purpose built to funnel dirt, rocks and water straight into the airbox. Looking for a mod for this. (Other than shoving fuel tank foam into the trumpets) Love these bikes. They just want to turn and burn.
No tuve la oportunidad de montar una TM. Me encantaría, pero en Argentina no hay ninguna posibilidad. Una pena. Las opiniones en general son muy buenas 👍🏻 Saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷
I have a 2022 TM300es FI. Just an incredible bike. So happy I didn't just do the old KTM/husky thing again and chose the Italian stallion. 100% recommend
TM Team over here! 🤘 From Southern CA, in the USA. Love my 21 EN250Fi. 💗 Got it from Get Dirty Dirt Bikes. Haven't broken it yet. And I drop it nearly every ride.... 🤦🏼♀️
@@crosstrainingenduro Also way cheaper than if you were to buy a KTM, then put the aftermarket ECU in to make it run right, and don't forget to throw the forks in the trash and put KYBs on it...
@@crosstrainingenduro by the time you pay extra for suspension tuning, tyres, decent grips and bars putting aside the better materials and design used in the TM it's just as expensive, except you getting a better overall bike. It was a no brainer for me , TM all the way
I've had 3 tm's in my riding career and the only common problem i found was on the 2013 125 pover valve cable, after that i bought a 2019 en 300 carburator model, 250 hour and going strong!
I’ve had my tm 300en es carby for 8months now and racked up the hrs up on this beast I’ve given it hell since having it and all I can say is I’d love to buy another one tomorrow absolutely love the bike no problems at all. I’m 80kg amd the sus was mint right from the box my Tm dealership sessions motorcycles on the Sunshine Coast Joel has been great so has Fox moto they are always happy to help 🤘
@@crosstrainingenduro I also make and sell a version of steg pegz aka Kaos pegz and a rear master cylinder cover. Sold a few now tho I have stopped using the Kaos pegs on my bike and have kept the rear master cylinder guard on
Bought a 2020 EN FI 250 a few weeks ago coming from a 2018 husky 300 tpi.. everything you state is true. One bad thing I’ve found in the cold weather in the U.K is they over cool themselves. We need to run a rad cover on 1 rad to maintain heat in the engine. Also as it is.. it’s guzzles fuel! Apart from that, I love the bike! And the main importer for TM in the U.K has been spot on so far! It’s a plus from me for TM.
Check this out to see what I mean about it not liking the cold weather. I’m hoping with a rad cover it’ll behave itself a lot more. Maybe a map change is in the pipeline soon too. th-cam.com/video/Zy3tWujfPSg/w-d-xo.html
I've been on the fence between a 2022 Beta 300 RR race edition and a TM300... I literally told my wife I'll probably buy the Beta because its hard to find info and reviewson the TM300. Then I wake up and see this video... now I'm back on the TM300! please do another video soon on the TM300. a comparison between it and a Beta 300 would be awesome 👌
When driving in sub-zero temperatures, sometimes the engine chokes unexpectedly when adding gas. After declutching (without gas) it enters high revs and after some time it goes down to normal. This applies to sudden throttle opening. I don't notice it at high than 0 degrees celsius temperatures.
I've had a en 300 since 2012 raced it many many times change the piston at 135 hours still ride the bike to this day handed it down to the grandson the bike is still awesome I buy another one in a heartbeat William Leonardo
Liked the video. Never see much information about the TM bikes. Never heard of around my part of Montana USA. I had to stop riding after 4 spinal surgeries and 5 fused vertebrae, however I still keep up on as much dirt bike content as I can find. Your channel tops them all!!! Knowing you also injured your spine, I'm curious how you've healed, are you fully healed, will you ever be 100%. Lastly, does riding cause you severe pain, numbness/tingling in your feet and legs? Be safe out there! 👍✌🙏🤞🤙
Glad you survived yoru mishap, Steve! I'd say 95% recovery here. Just a dull ache after a few hours riding. Or very quickly if I don't keep my back straight. Very fortunate, no complaints. I know a lot of guys return to riding after spinal fusion but it's definitely risky. 😢
@@crosstrainingenduro Really glad to hear you're around 95%! After I get back working I WILL try riding the easy stuff and see how it goes. You can relate very well to not being able to ride for awhile, if ever again. It's absolutely killing me I can't ride!
I have only seen a TM once in Pennsylvania. I saw the rider in my normal spot and flagged them down. He had an EN250 and absolutely raved about the bike. The welds are phenomenal and it's ergonomically friendly. I'd get one...if I could find a second-hand one.
Check out the TM USA website. There's a used 2021 TM EN250 for sale right now. There are several dealers in the area. I have never purchased a new bike in my life but this year I plan to put in an order for a 2023 TM EN 250 carb
I have a 2021 TM 250 EN Fi. It’s been very good so far. Suspension and chassis are impeccable. We put in a different Fi map and it’s been smiles the whole time. Mine had an annoying tendency to reset the power valve upon restart, so I wired up a switch to keep the ECU live while riding, in case of a stall or killing the engine somehow.
There seem to be very occasional issues with the electronic power valve Michael... but I'm not sure if there are enough cases to say it's a known issue or not. Sherco has one as well which seems to play up if you don't keep the whole system dust-free....
@@crosstrainingenduro wiring up a switch has definitely helped mine. I’ve built 7 of them for others, even sent two to Australia. I haven’t heard back from everyone to see if it fixes the problem for everyone, but I did hear from one that the powervalve still reset with the switch on. I can attest that the “Hard Enduro” map that the TM guys in USA are using is a great map and the bike has broad, usable power.
I haven't read up on this yet, Michael... but what is the claimed advantage of an electronic power valve? To me it makes more sense to stay mechanical. I know it can cause problems for Sherco owners occasionally.
@@crosstrainingenduro Go to ThumperTalk and the TM subforum and see the "Sputteringhesitationdiff-exhaust-sound-after-every-single-restart" thread for a lot more info on this. It's my biggest gripe by far with my 2021 TM 300 EN Fi that wish TM would acknowledge the issue and would have helped us at all, which they didn't. Other issues with the bike are the microscopic airbox/filter access and I'm certain the US importer does NOT offer any warranty with US bikes, let alone a full year. Getting parts is a cinch in western US, no harder than my 2017 Beta 300 Race. My TM is definitely more powerful, lighter, and smoother suspension than my Beta, but that Beta was the most reliable bike I've ever had with 300 hours on it. Would I buy a 2022+ TM? Probably.
That's a good looking machine, they're pretty rare in the US. I've never seen 1 in person, ever. Speaking of a good looking bikes with quality parts check out Rieju . They have a 6 days model that looks very tempting.
I was seriously interested in the Rieju if they priced it well here in Australia. Essentially it's a very old design but they've priced it just under all the modern brands. 🤔
After putting 2 years on my 20 300 en carb i decided to trade up for the 22 300 carb because of the 6 speed in the 2 years the only issue i had was power valve sticking half open it was my fault & dirictly related to the oil i use 927 beyond that its been Brilliant
Havent taken delivery yet but it should be i do a lot of duel sport rides & with the 5 speed a prolonged Comfortable cruising rpm only offered about 40-45 mph id like to see about a 7-10 mph Increase at that rpm ...if that makes scence ...i will say this the tm is the first 300 ive ridden that will keep up with itself meaning you can ride a gear high & dont need to clutch it to get it to jump into the power just roll it on ! Similar to how the old 500 2 strokes were but much easier to controll !
Loved the video! Looking forward to the Sherco video. I’d like to see you get the TM just to see how well it works and how well it holds up for you. Another reason or two is there isn’t a lot of them out there and it’s a family owned business that makes a machine that is very competitive. I like that much better when compared to the great pumpkin that buys up other brands and then just puts different colored plastics on the same bike. A long time ago I had a TM-250 - It was a 1973 model if I remember right. Only mine was yellow and black!! (-:
I think a real problem for KTM and the clones is it's a multinational conglomerate now that is purely focused on profit... not a great long term strategy for dirt bikes. Whereas smaller brands are still passionate about making great bikes. There are pros and cons to each, but I know which I'd prefer!
I have the 2021 EN 300 Fi - just love this bike. I trail in Northern Minnesota USA under many different conditions and weather....never fails and given how light it is, it's easy on the body and fuel on the longer rides.
Great to hear, David. Unfortunately our guy ran into problems with the Fi he couldn't resolve, and the dealer/distributor couldn't or wouldn't resolve it. Eventually he sold it back to the shop at a loss. 🤔
@@crosstrainingenduro I am so very sorry to hear this. Breaks my spirit for TM Racing bikes. I have a company and I will do whatever it takes to make the customer happy even if I know that they will never use me again. Wish all companies would do the same - especially when it is not the riders fault for the issue or issues. Best of luck on the next bike.....and keep up the great work on the videos.
It was an unfortunate scenario, David. Afterward we did hear negative gossip from various people about the dealer and distributor. Not sure how much was true, but when you are trying to relaunch TM as a viable brand I think you really want to back your customers to the hilt... at least in the early days! Personally I was very close to buying a TM carb model but this turned me off immediately.
Guy’s where are all the 125 riders?? I only see you people are talking about 250 & 300!! I own a 2017 en125 and I will never replace it! Never touched anything on the bike! All original suspension and carb tuning and it’s amazing! Sad to see the 125 community disappears and everyone going to larger size bikes😢
A skilled rider could ride a 125 in hard enduro but man, it would be hard work... way way too much clutch slipping and revving! We reviewed the Beta RR125. Lots of fun, but totally wrong for hard enduro.
I had EN250 2004 full ohlins model, pure monster but great bike and even i sold it years ago its still i sweat memory and the best frame i ever riden (not alloy then). The only problem back then was the PV could brake the piston rings and then big mess in cylinder, new one costs lot, but it was a specific models problem. I love the brand, i love its bikes, once in TM you will always in love with those bikes.
Ouch. Yeah I did read about various problems like that many years back, Billy. I could be wrong, but I get the impression that they change things pretty quickly when a known issue comes up?
@@crosstrainingenduro Thats one of the biggest advantages of small companies, they can hear riders needs and and problems. Lot of my co-riders ocasionally had TM's and mine was the only problem worth to mention. Its a good choice "IF YOU HAVE GOOD DEALER CLOSE", if you dont it can be a nightmare geting parts, i am in greece and i had to order some parts from NEW ZEALAND and italy is in riding distance!!! imagine that...
i have had a 2014 EN 125 for 2 years, +- 70 hours. with alot of problems for that timespan. now own a 2019 EN 300 carb. only problems ive had so far is: the off switchsticking(fixed), and the brake pedal is prone to smash into the clutchcover due to design. also due to design the electricstart sometimes doesnt grab. other than that its super nice to ride good brakes, good suspension and easy to turn.
@@crosstrainingenduro apart from the electrical system the older models dont really have alot of common problems. so i think tm fixes the small problems they come across . i also forgot to add that the speeds sensor(atleast for the EU versions) on the whole EN range are prone to break, there are reinforcing plates that fix that problem
I own a 2019 TM Racing EN300ES 2t (same as 2021 without 6 spd, but prefer 5spd WR anyways), and have loved my carb version better than the 2020 Husqvarna TPi I sold to buy this new off the floor. I've modified the engine with VHM head with 28mL insert, billet reed extender, Pro Circuit expansion chamber & silencer, Pro X double ringed Racing piston, and Smart Carb 2. No problems and have rode it in the Cascades I WA state by Canadian border, to just moving down to the East Coast in North Carolina by the ocean...I've loved the bike in every condition, and again, no problems. It feels more powerful in some areas or sections than my 22 Honda 450 and that is my track & GNCC/WORCS bike. I WILL NEVER buy another brand again besides Yamaha or Honda (even though the Gas Gas bikes are attractive
I had a pin on the ecu on my 2019 tm 300 en corrode and fall out which cost almost 500 quid for a new one, but the tm dealer in UK is amazing and will sort you out with anything and everything.
Bummer. That is happening a lot on current Beta models! Was it just a one-off? I've been searching far and wide for known issues... haven't heard of that one.
The convincing tone in your voice sounds like you have made up your mind😉 bugger the cost you only live once and you can't put a price on happiness 👊✊💨💨👊✊💨💨
I would own one again. Had a 2014 second hand. TM UK and USA can help with parts and delivery was pretty quick. A lovely bike and ride. Would love a Quilty importer for after sale service. Good luck in the hard enduro.
2022 model looks like a significant improvement, very narrow with updated plastics, why did you choose the Sherco Factory over the TM in the end, can’t go wrong, but for the first time the 2022 TM models really impress me. Just things like quality, options, optional tank size, 9.5 or 12l freakin hell with a tag line of Ready to Race by the pumpkin eaters, these bikes are like true factory bike level, almost similar to the Maicos back n the day except without the unreliable reputation. Will Ruprechts flying the flag on the 3004t FI, I think he got 3rd in the first EnduroGP overall and 2nd in the E2 class this weekend. Anyways as usual good info, see if TM can get you a 22 to review TBI EN sick🤘
A few things. The guy with the Fi model had issues with the injection just after this vid, the dealer couldn't/wouldn't sort it, so he sold it back to the dealer. TM is a tiny brand here and the level of support and parts availability is not inspiring.
A few complaints I hear about is the kill switch location and the electric power valve needing to cycle to rest after shutting bike off and immediately restarting it. Front forks are stiff, but that could be rider preference.
the only known problem I can think of is the fact it doesn't start right, needs some rpms to run right after a start (you can hear it doing it at 2:17), this is a common issue that can be fixed with a remap or installing a switch to keep the ecu/pv controller (dont remember which) powered so you don't have to make it run right every time you stall/take a small break, just first starts.
@@crosstrainingenduro Yeah the stock battery isn't very good, that was the other thing I was forgetting. On the starting thing it will have basically no torque and then when it kicks out of it it takes off, will also be way louder and poppy. From what I know it's the power valve not setting right.
I’ve got a 2022 Tm en 300 carb. Easily the best bike I’ve ridden. One problem I’ve encountered is that the stock jetting came very rich. So much so that I foweled a pug easy change that’s the only issue I’ve come across
Almost every brand seems to have the jetting too rich, thankfully most good dealers fix this prior to sale. Is the factory just trying to minimise the chances of an engine failure?
Honestly though the bike is probably the lightest in its class on the market and it feels like it, you can flick it around it feels amazing! Very narrow. Also the anti vibration is insane, the only vibration really is that the sound generates and the carb model winds out very quickly and I don’t think that’s a hearing issue it’s acceleration is insane obviously you can change how easy the power valve opens but I love the hard hit
Tm is underrated they build really nice bikes. Unfortunately though choosing between a Sherco and any other brand doenst leave much room in my personal opinion. Sherco's build quality and componets plus their engine and traction are way ahead of the competion. Only way to choose something else is looks or just to try something else. I am not a Sherco fanboy and i dont care about branding, i own a pre-KTM Gas Gas and that's just my opinion interacting and experiencing current available hard enduro bikes
Probably the main thing against Sherco's quality is occasionally the plastics still don't line up properly and the fuel tank isn't properly secured. And the occasional ECU and rectifier failures... although these might have been updated for 2021? It doesn't worry me much as you find the same niggling things on every brand, and the failure rate is almost always quite low.
I had no idea they were even racing! I will not buy another one off type bike, since after 10 years it becomes very difficult to find plastics and certain parts. Guess I should just wear the bike out faster haha!
I never understood why European usually always go with steel frame when Japanese switched to aluminum nearly 20 years ago and never look back. Common sense would say that aluminum would be lighter and stiffer, but I'm not an engineer. The only thing I know is they don't rust and they are easy to polish 👌
I do remember it could be a lot harder working on a WR450F engine when they went to the bulky alloy frame in 2007. But I asked Ben and he said it's still easy accessing everything on the TM two stroke.
I wish I had the link to the video where Steve Mathes spoke with the person who was running the Honda team in the US when the aluminum frame came out. He never states it but his tone during the interview leads me to believe he prefers the steel frames. It was interesting that they built 27 different chassis that one year!
Let's be honest! Japanese manufactures gave up on off road a long time ago. The focus on MX is what brought about the alloy frame as MX demands a rigid frame. Most alloy frames are heavier than the steel frames so it's not for weight. for enduro flex is usually a good thing!
A carburated 2021 300cc 2-stroke, without oil injection, is just about as good as it gets it seems. No major updates for 2022 as I see it. For me, the ultimate bikes are the 2021 Sherco 300 SE factory, 2021 TM EN 300 and 2021 Beta 300 RR Race Edition. The Beta I can't stand the look of and the TM would also probably be excluded due to the price and availability of parts. That leaves the Sherco as the ultimate bike, again, for me personally that is.
Love my bike I got a 2022 the thing is an absolute beast the problems I’m having is my digital screen , brake lights , head lights ,horn all went out . But my electric start works and the fan works I’ve been riding it like this for a while now as I checked everything I could think of like any obvious wiring or pipes fuses but everything looks fine ? I’ve got to take it in to the shop .
Sounds like a Beta electrical system lol. Speedos are the big point of failure, then to a lesser extent everything else. Hope the shop can get it sorted.
Should I buy a 4t for urban forest trails and for some street riding, or is 2t better for me? My budjet is 4000-6000€ for a bike and about 1500€ for yearly maintances and uprages.
Interesting, Marty. If it's a good shock and all dealers stock parts... probably not an issue. But when they are still such a small brand that availability could be a real problem.
Hi I love your videos. I own a 19 Tm En300es carb model. And I love this bike. I’ve had a lot of Ktm 300 and 250s. I should have got a Tm along time ago.
I have abused my 2006 tm since I got it raced it used it as a daily driver giving it full wake around the Irish backroeds banging the thing out the only recurring problem I have had with it is the water pump seal keeps wearing out really fast the last year or 2, I think it more something to do with the new impeller shaft, so my plan is to get the old one milled and nickeld
Something you my not know is the 2022 Fi models have moved from transfer port injection (TPI) to throttle body injection (TBI). Not sure if this will change the throttle response down low.
I heard rumours about this, Jeff. But no confirmation from TM. Apparently KTM is doing this too and it's meant to solve the doughy power and low revs. Time will tell.
@@crosstrainingenduro - check out this video of a new 2022 TM 300 EN Fi. He goes around the whole bike and you can see no injectors on the cylinders. They appear to be underneath the throttle body.. th-cam.com/video/tc3OGj5kgJg/w-d-xo.html
@@crosstrainingenduro - FYI, I have one on order that shipped to the U.S. at the end of December. Still waiting for it, but the U.S. dealer confirmed it has TBI.
One year warranty in the USA too which is impressive. I hope he rode the carb model, we only got to ride the fuel injected one and the bottom end power was pretty soft... just like the Austrian TPI models.
@@crosstrainingenduro in the mean time. My Japanese devil 😈 in a blue dress will keep me very happy. I love my 2018 yz250. Only thing I feel it's missing is A Pantera E start kit and a 18 inch rear wheel.
The same age as when someone gets old. When they start thinking they are old and restraint themselves because of this. For some it might happen at 40 and in other case it might never happen. So are you old or are you going to ride?
Haven't tried the "new" aluminium frame bikes but the older model enduro 250 2004 2 stroke is a rocket ship compared to 2022 ktm. xc 250 2 stroke. Getting parts in Europe is quite easy with some bling also. Tm racing facebook groups have much information if you are intressed.
How is the turning radius on the TM? As good as the KTM? I had a 2012 GG with the perimeter style frame and the turning radius was awful for switchbacks and I ride a ton of them.
Hard to say, Glenn. I haven't ridden a TPI bike for a while now. It's not great but we are pivot turning all the time in gnarly terrain which makes it less important. I did see one owner thought it could be better and he was going to file down the steering stoppers...
@@crosstrainingenduro Manual states 93 octane here in the states. Local sales rep confirmed it. Would be nice to know how many people are not heeding that advice. Got a 2022 YZ250X instead. Super simple, super reliable, and seriously modded up for under 9K. Love it, but would have loved to have had a TM as well.
Interesting... our standard rating is 91 which all the dealers feel is close enough. Pretty much everyone runs this unless they have a high compression four stroke, which case they'll use 95. There's also a 98 option here at all the fuel stations. So what is technically 'race' fuel in the USA?
It has to be better than Beta's version of Italian 'quality'. The dreaded main bearing issue for going on three years. Dealers still have to go over the bikes looking for missing parts, poor wiring, bolts too loose or too tight etc.
Would be very interested in a you if it does have the 6 speed can you confirm for the 2stroke all info says only 4stroke is 6 speed. I have always loved the TM.
TM has confirmed six speed for 2021 definitely. They are just slack with updating their websites. They also don't mention they've changed the injection on the fuel injection which should improve the low end power. And they don't mention their weight figures. Bizarre!
I ve read on thumpertalk a few people have problem with their 300en hesitating/bogging/low power just after starting the engine, and it last for +-10 second. Ever hear about it?
I assume is the Fi model, Pascal? As per our pinned first comment, our guy had fuel injection issues that couldn't be resolved. The distributor and dealer wouldn't provide support initially as he was just outside the three month warranty period. When he discussed the problems online, they agreed to buy the bike back from him at a reduced price.
Each brand does their own version of valving and spring rates with their KYB. The best by far is Yamaha's SSS version. The other brands vary from great to pretty good...
AUSSIE TM WARRANTY 30 DAYS OR 3 MONTHS?! The TM warranty in Australia may only be 30 days! The bike in this vid had problem at two months old, the dealer wouldn't help because it was apparently only a 30 day warranty. When I mentioned this publicly Facebook, the national distributor quickly ran Ben, assured him it was three months, then offered to help fix the bike. But now I hear another Australian TM owner has been told his bike is outside the 30 day warranty and won't be fixed! So make sure you get your warranty put down in writing.
TM WARRANTY IN OTHER COUNTRIES? It varies from 30 days to three months to one year in other countries... check with your dealer for your situation. Also modifications may void the warranty.
WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR TM Fi?
Unfortunately, we have started having troubles with the fuel injection. At first, the Australian distributor and dealer weren't willing to look into the problem and said it was outside the warranty. The owner spent days trying to diagnose the issue, buying new sensors etc. We mentioned the lack of support online then the distributor agreed to buy the bike back at a reduced price. In the meantime, we've seen others complaining about similar issues. I strongly suggest buying the carb model. If we ever find out what the problem was, we'll post it here.
OTHER TM EN300 KNOWN ISSUES? I've trawled the forums and dozen of owners comments on this vid and the Facebook one.... the vast majority say zero problems, at least with carb model.
Weak battery? A few owners said it's a bit weak and flattens easily if starting a lot.
Grunt? Fi owners agree the lowdown power lacks a bit (without ECU tweaks), and the carb is better.
Electronic powervalve resetting? Two owners have this on every start so they rigged up switches to stop it.
A few owners said jetting was too rich for their area and plugs fouled until they rejetted (beware, this may void the warranty).
Connected with above, two commented on heavy fuel use until they rejetted.
One owner said the design of the rear hub makes it easy to break spokes if your chain comes off on the inside - only one report online of this worldwide so not sure if it's a biggie or not.
Forks? Quite a few owners agreed with me that the forks are a bit harsh for low speed riding.
Power serve cable? One 2017 owner said his power serve cable was torn three times and replaced.
Any news on the Fuel Injection Problems? I will order a TM in the next few month and retire my orange pumkin. If you have any suggestions for fixes for the problem i would love to hear them so i can be ahead of the game.
Sorry only just saw this comment. Any updates are reported in this pinned first comment.
Good to see TM content. TM is everything quality and for sure they can stamp the "Ready to Race" slogan instead of an orange brand that nowadays sells more like expensive "Ready to Ride" bikes.
Yes, I suspect some bikes should have 'Ready to rebuild' stamped on them lol.
@@crosstrainingenduro hmm... can't tell if this is a joke or not 🤔
@@knut5328 It's definitely Not a joke
@@crosstrainingenduro You really have a dislike for KTM, if they were so bad, KTM would be bankrupt already !
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Another 3 votes for TM from the USA. I ride a EN300FI, my wife rides a EN250FI, and my best friend/riding buddy/business partner rides a EN300 Carb. All 3 bikes have been exceptional. All 3 bikes have 50-80 hours on them with zero issues. OEM parts availability through the local importer has been fine, and pricing isn't extravagant. As far as the bling parts, you dont really need much for it, it comes blinged out from the factory. And there are a few companies out there that make the "necessities", such as gear, billet caliper brackets, skid plates, etc. Maybe a little more pricy than KTM stuff, but way more classy! It's hard to beat the craftsmanship of these hand built bikes. The welds are all awesome, the machining is excellent, and the power is awesome. Your local importer should have the software to easily re-map your ECU if you get the FI version. I have 2 maps on mine with a switch, one thats pretty hot, lifts the front end no problem. The 2nd map is my "traction control", nice for trail riding when i want it a little more softer off idle and going up hills where i might be concerned about getting the front end too high up. The power is extremely linear for a 2 stroke, partially due to their ECU controlled electronic power valve.
Thanks for the feedback. How do you find the low end power compares between yours and the carb? Pretty important for me as we are almost always riding slow at low revs...
@@crosstrainingenduro Personally I don't notice a huge difference between them, but my bike came to me remapped, i got it second hand from a TM sponsored hard enduro rider who had it done up right. I'm biased, but i prefer the FI, both the way it feels and from a maintenance standpoint. The oil injection is really nice, not having to mix fuel is a heck of a convenience when you want to just get on and ride and realize your tank is empty. I also feel like the FI is slightly more linear in power, and a little "cleaner" burning, being TPI there arent any issues with fuel loading up in the crankcase when you're lugging it, so no need to keep cleaning it out.
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@@crosstrainingenduro I’m the best friend lol, I ride the carb model and split my riding between hard enduro/open desert and motocross. I find the low end to be plenty adequate, it is softer than ktm two strokes, that being said the power is broader and does not fall off like a ktm. I find it is easy to lug or rev, something of note. I was switching from 12/48 to 13/48 gearing when I was doing the harder enduro stuff but have now found the taller gearing to work plenty well. I believe the lower gearing is nicer when you lack clutch control as some of us do. It should be noted my carb bike has the 5 speed, the first gear is the same as the 6 speed, 6th is a taller gear for those running really low gearing and not wanting compromise. We are connected to TM usa and the hard enduro bikes typically will use 12/50-12/52 depending on where the race is. Mapping is also easily adjustable by the dealer on the carb model. If your ever in the souther us please shoot us a note, we’d love to ride with you guys! I vote TM
Cheers Steve. If I go for the TM it would definitely be carb and I'd gear it down for our slow technical stuff!
I've had several TM bikes over the last decade, (2010 144mx, 2012 125en, 2009 300en, 2015 85mx) and never had any issues other than general wear and tear. They are a great bike, with exceptional performance. Parts are no more expensive than pumpkins.
Youre from Coolum? I
I've seen your bikes in James" shop and once had a quick ride behind you, great looking things. He was saying the parts wait was long though?
Best looking 2 strokes 👍
Hey mate,
Your 2012 125EN is still going strong :D
Just done general service and maintanence and have had zero problems.
@@thisisme7587 Parts for the bikes are usually pretty quick. It was probably me being a bit relaxed. I've still got the 300, and will definitely be getting a newer tm. Cheers
@@kasiko968 Thanks mate, I was thinking about it only last week! Don't forget about me when it's time for you to sell. Cheers Jon.
@@jonmorgan6116 No worries! :)
I have owned a 1998 TM300mx, 2007 Tm300en and a 2013 Tm300en. All were absolutley bullet proof. Never had any issues at all. I had the 2013 for about 7 years.
I own a 21 carb EN300, my only issue is I didn’t buy one sooner! Hands down the best enduro bike on the market! Buy the carb for grunt and a nice hit!
Sweet! Yeah I'd absolutely go the carb if I went for a TM...
I really hope you spring for the TM. It would be fun to see more of this rare and interesting bike on the channel. Thanks for all the great vids!!
I do like boutique brands, Kyle. Loved riding a Beta RR300 back in 2015 when nobody was aware of them.
If I needed an enduro bike, this one makes a lot of sense. Kickstart/estart combo? Amazing. KYB suspension!? Yes please! Excellent service? Unheard of (I'm looking at you KTM) Good electrics? No overheating? (again, KTM) No bling? Carb version available? (Again again again KTM) It's like the anti KTM! Hope you and others support this company and set fire to the Pumpkin! They've had their run and they're taking the piss at this point. Cheers
It is great to see more competition for KTM and the clones. They are definitely taking the piss with that 30 day warranty... and the increasing prices. At least here in Australia.
I have EN 125 and i rode little bit enduro with it and now i turned it into a supermotard. It is awesome bike. It has things like 38mm carb, vforce etc. that u normally on other brands have to buy urself. Also things i love is the e-powervalve and map selection switch. Very nice bike on a street too, it has so much high end rpm power so its an absolute beast and ktm killer on street :D
A pair of bathroom scales between your bike and a service stand is actually pretty good for weighing dirt bikes since they are usually well within the range of the bathroom scale.
I’ve had my 2021 300fi for a little over a year now. Absolutely love it, haven’t rode it nearly as much as I’d like but no issues to speak of in a little over 30 hours
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few of the lads i ride with had tm 125 mx bikes, absolute weapons to ride and none blew up or had any issues over the years, and they never got much mechanical love either. top class bikes in my opinion.
I owned a TM and it was most probably the best bike I’ve had . The reason I’m on a Beta 300 RR is because there prices were cheaper with about the same Quality of a TM and they are both build in Italy 🇮🇹 in small factories.
Go with the TM! I've owned many bikes and they are by far the best. Great platform to do whatever your heart desires. Parts are not as bad to find or buy as people think.
They sure look the biz. I checked it all over and the finish is awesome. Price parts are pretty good here in Australia too.
@@crosstrainingenduro RJ's Suspension on Facebook can hook you up with a lot of stuff and is pretty quick. I have a pretty good list of difficult to find, but not difficult to order stuff especially protection gear. All mostly in Europe but fast delivery on most. Just hard to find if you're not on forums etc
I have a 2014 en250 great bike. Mostly oem parts but I do not find them expensive, only the plastics are a bit over priced. From my experience with the importer here in Portugal in 24 hours I get parts delivered.
Parts are about on par with other brands here which is a pleasant suprise, Hugo.
Same
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24 mouths to get parts, I have a ex importer o have is how bike 2 years waiting to fixed the engine problems! Now is a Yamaha consecionario! 😏
I would love to try one of these bikes one day. They sound like a ton of fun. Which is honestly the only thing I care about in a bike.
It's the bottom line!
THIS ☝🏻
I had a 2017 tm 300 fi four stroke enduro bike. I put 60 hours on it before I sold it. At 30 hours I raced a particularly muddy hare scramble. The bike overheated and the clutch plates smelled cooked, so I went for a DNF. Upon getting the bike home, I changed the engine oil first. The curious thing about it was, upon starting the bike, the engine oil would disappear from the sight glass and not return. Didn't matter how much oil you put in, almost double, the same thing kept happening.
TMuk were willing to look at the bike. Turns out a plastic cam chain silencer had melted inside the head, gone down the side of the engine and blocked one of the internal oil filters/ screens. Tmuk did all the work for free and replacement parts for free, can't fault their service. If you buy a 4 stroke tm you must put a decent coolant in it and a cooling fan on the rad.
The bike handled well and was good on mx tracks. The 300 4 stroke motor was horrible at low revs, had a lot of issues with it flaming out- possibly due to the mapping. The forks benefited from lighter springs and less oil in technical terrain. The rear wheel bearing collapsed at 40 hours. Can't say I've had the best experience with TM bikes.
A pity to hear about those problems. I would hope there are less problems with the two strokes? I know they have been around for a few years now but I'd like to see them become more of an established brand before I considered buying one.
Sherco or TM, TM or Sherco, either one is probably a safe bet. I prefer the look and what’s offered quality wise of the TM, prefer the engine sound of the Sherco. Since it’s 20% bike and 80% rider, and my CRF250F is still more than enough bike for me, (as in my skill is still less than what the bike can do) I’ll just live vicariously through you.
I'll probably ride better on a CRF250F, Warren lol
@@crosstrainingenduro watching the videos of you in Canada on a 250F certainly makes me realize that I can wait a while before I buy a replacement
I have this same Bike 2021 300 EN Fi , it was set up by Brian Geddis from BGR Moto.. unbelievable ride and quality, well worth my money and it's always great having a unique bike out on the trails.
Thanks for making these man.. They comes handy while I rest half dead getting over this covid that I got...
Love your work really, keep it up!
Bloody covid! Some of my family had it, it can knock you around...
A 2022 coming to our riding group here in the US. This will be a very rare bird on the east coast. I’m excited to give it a go.
I have found us dealer support has been awesome for the TM. I did have my battery go bad, so i upgraded to a larger capacity. Im getting the hard enduro map intalled for slower technical riding. 21 tm 300fi 15hrs love the bike so far. Your vids are awesome 👌
I heard good things about the US support, Rob. But its' still relatively new here so can't say for sure how things will work out yet.
Nice to see these bikes out there. If only KTM obsessed owners would give another brand a chance.
Couldn't agree more!
Agree 100% on your 6 speed viewpoint. Two strokes give me sinus problems, otherwise I'd buy one.
New 22/23 frame ive heard is huge improvement to handling. And they currently cheaper then Sherco and ktm by fair bit and similar to beta rr re for usa
Have ridden 2017 144mx - it is so fun. Just ordered 2022 144mx. There are competitively priced here and no issues with underproduction of bikes.
I recently found myself a TM en144 and i absolutely love it! Such a fun ride and feels really solid. Feels so exotic aswell when it stands next to my buddys shercos and Husqvarnas :)
Hell ya TM! Should be an easy choice I think just going off of the warranty and the fact that you hardly hear anything bad about them, no matter how hard you look. I have a '21 300 and about to take delivery of my '22 🤗
I have a 2021 Tm mx250, carbed bike. I have 2 friends who also bought TMs, they bought the 300 mx 2 strokes. We have all raced these bikes, put them through hell, especially our one friend who does a lot of hard enduro type riding, and they have been bulletproof bikes . My one friend races his in expert class and did a top end at 40 hours and the piston came out looking brand new still, and my other friend who put well over 100 hours on it, doing a lot of hard enduro and fast paced single line riding did a top end and his piston and cylinder looked basically new as well, both of them could have went a lot longer without having to do a top end . If you take care of these bikes they will take care of you.
Just replaced my 2022 TM250 with a 300 fi. Only criticism: air filter fits flush to the airbox. It needs a lip to help sealing and the air scoops are purpose built to funnel dirt, rocks and water straight into the airbox. Looking for a mod for this. (Other than shoving fuel tank foam into the trumpets)
Love these bikes. They just want to turn and burn.
Dirt getting inside engine? "air filter fits flush to the airbox. It needs a lip to help sealing"
No tuve la oportunidad de montar una TM.
Me encantaría, pero en Argentina no hay ninguna posibilidad. Una pena.
Las opiniones en general son muy buenas 👍🏻
Saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷
I have a 2022 TM300es FI. Just an incredible bike. So happy I didn't just do the old KTM/husky thing again and chose the Italian stallion. 100% recommend
TM Team over here! 🤘 From Southern CA, in the USA.
Love my 21 EN250Fi. 💗
Got it from Get Dirty Dirt Bikes.
Haven't broken it yet. And I drop it nearly every ride.... 🤦🏼♀️
With the way prices are going here you aren't really paying much more in Australia lol. And it's a fair bit cheaper than a KTM Six Day...
@@crosstrainingenduro Also way cheaper than if you were to buy a KTM, then put the aftermarket ECU in to make it run right, and don't forget to throw the forks in the trash and put KYBs on it...
Yep. It takes a Kato to over $20,000 here lol.
@@crosstrainingenduro by the time you pay extra for suspension tuning, tyres, decent grips and bars putting aside the better materials and design used in the TM it's just as expensive, except you getting a better overall bike. It was a no brainer for me , TM all the way
I own 2019 TM 300 and love it ! My brother owns a 2023 TM 300 FI nice bikes! And parts are easy for me to get
I've had 3 tm's in my riding career and the only common problem i found was on the 2013 125 pover valve cable, after that i bought a 2019 en 300 carburator model, 250 hour and going strong!
Good to hear, Andrea! Yeah I did see some cases of those older models having issues with the cable. Good to see they ditched it a while back.
I’ve had my tm 300en es carby for 8months now and racked up the hrs up on this beast I’ve given it hell since having it and all I can say is I’d love to buy another one tomorrow absolutely love the bike no problems at all. I’m 80kg amd the sus was mint right from the box my Tm dealership sessions motorcycles on the Sunshine Coast Joel has been great so has Fox moto they are always happy to help 🤘
Great to hear! I was very close to buying one myself and it would have been the carb model.
@@crosstrainingenduro I also make and sell a version of steg pegz aka Kaos pegz and a rear master cylinder cover. Sold a few now tho I have stopped using the Kaos pegs on my bike and have kept the rear master cylinder guard on
Bought a 2020 EN FI 250 a few weeks ago coming from a 2018 husky 300 tpi.. everything you state is true. One bad thing I’ve found in the cold weather in the U.K is they over cool themselves. We need to run a rad cover on 1 rad to maintain heat in the engine. Also as it is.. it’s guzzles fuel! Apart from that, I love the bike! And the main importer for TM in the U.K has been spot on so far! It’s a plus from me for TM.
Over cooling... damn. Won't be an issue here, Jake! Glad it's working out for you.
@@crosstrainingenduro nope, more of a plus for you over in oz I guess. Just gotta worry about everything else wanting to kill you 😏😉
Check this out to see what I mean about it not liking the cold weather. I’m hoping with a rad cover it’ll behave itself a lot more. Maybe a map change is in the pipeline soon too.
th-cam.com/video/Zy3tWujfPSg/w-d-xo.html
Drop bears! 👀
I've been on the fence between a 2022 Beta 300 RR race edition and a TM300... I literally told my wife I'll probably buy the Beta because its hard to find info and reviewson the TM300. Then I wake up and see this video... now I'm back on the TM300! please do another video soon on the TM300. a comparison between it and a Beta 300 would be awesome 👌
When driving in sub-zero temperatures, sometimes the engine chokes unexpectedly when adding gas. After declutching (without gas) it enters high revs and after some time it goes down to normal. This applies to sudden throttle opening. I don't notice it at high than 0 degrees celsius temperatures.
I've had a en 300 since 2012 raced it many many times change the piston at 135 hours still ride the bike to this day handed it down to the grandson the bike is still awesome I buy another one in a heartbeat William Leonardo
Great to hear!
Liked the video. Never see much information about the TM bikes. Never heard of around my part of Montana USA. I had to stop riding after 4 spinal surgeries and 5 fused vertebrae, however I still keep up on as much dirt bike content as I can find. Your channel tops them all!!! Knowing you also injured your spine, I'm curious how you've healed, are you fully healed, will you ever be 100%. Lastly, does riding cause you severe pain, numbness/tingling in your feet and legs? Be safe out there! 👍✌🙏🤞🤙
Glad you survived yoru mishap, Steve! I'd say 95% recovery here. Just a dull ache after a few hours riding. Or very quickly if I don't keep my back straight. Very fortunate, no complaints. I know a lot of guys return to riding after spinal fusion but it's definitely risky. 😢
@@crosstrainingenduro Really glad to hear you're around 95%! After I get back working I WILL try riding the easy stuff and see how it goes. You can relate very well to not being able to ride for awhile, if ever again. It's absolutely killing me I can't ride!
The best bike ever.I have one ,2008 but still working good.I want to buy a new bike,but is expensive.
I have only seen a TM once in Pennsylvania. I saw the rider in my normal spot and flagged them down. He had an EN250 and absolutely raved about the bike. The welds are phenomenal and it's ergonomically friendly. I'd get one...if I could find a second-hand one.
I know what you mean about the welds... very classy when you get up close.
Check out the TM USA website. There's a used 2021 TM EN250 for sale right now. There are several dealers in the area. I have never purchased a new bike in my life but this year I plan to put in an order for a 2023 TM EN 250 carb
I have a 2021 TM 250 EN Fi. It’s been very good so far. Suspension and chassis are impeccable. We put in a different Fi map and it’s been smiles the whole time. Mine had an annoying tendency to reset the power valve upon restart, so I wired up a switch to keep the ECU live while riding, in case of a stall or killing the engine somehow.
There seem to be very occasional issues with the electronic power valve Michael... but I'm not sure if there are enough cases to say it's a known issue or not. Sherco has one as well which seems to play up if you don't keep the whole system dust-free....
@@crosstrainingenduro wiring up a switch has definitely helped mine. I’ve built 7 of them for others, even sent two to Australia. I haven’t heard back from everyone to see if it fixes the problem for everyone, but I did hear from one that the powervalve still reset with the switch on.
I can attest that the “Hard Enduro” map that the TM guys in USA are using is a great map and the bike has broad, usable power.
I haven't read up on this yet, Michael... but what is the claimed advantage of an electronic power valve? To me it makes more sense to stay mechanical. I know it can cause problems for Sherco owners occasionally.
@@crosstrainingenduro Go to ThumperTalk and the TM subforum and see the "Sputteringhesitationdiff-exhaust-sound-after-every-single-restart" thread for a lot more info on this. It's my biggest gripe by far with my 2021 TM 300 EN Fi that wish TM would acknowledge the issue and would have helped us at all, which they didn't.
Other issues with the bike are the microscopic airbox/filter access and I'm certain the US importer does NOT offer any warranty with US bikes, let alone a full year. Getting parts is a cinch in western US, no harder than my 2017 Beta 300 Race. My TM is definitely more powerful, lighter, and smoother suspension than my Beta, but that Beta was the most reliable bike I've ever had with 300 hours on it. Would I buy a 2022+ TM? Probably.
@@pavementends2015 would you stick with a 250 or go 300?
That's a good looking machine, they're pretty rare in the US. I've never seen 1 in person, ever. Speaking of a good looking bikes with quality parts check out Rieju . They have a 6 days model that looks very tempting.
I was seriously interested in the Rieju if they priced it well here in Australia. Essentially it's a very old design but they've priced it just under all the modern brands. 🤔
Absolutely love tm almost as much as I love Beta
After putting 2 years on my 20 300 en carb i decided to trade up for the 22 300 carb because of the 6 speed in the 2 years the only issue i had was power valve sticking half open it was my fault & dirictly related to the oil i use 927 beyond that its been Brilliant
Great to hear... was the sixth gear useful?
Havent taken delivery yet but it should be i do a lot of duel sport rides & with the 5 speed a prolonged Comfortable cruising rpm only offered about 40-45 mph id like to see about a 7-10 mph Increase at that rpm ...if that makes scence ...i will say this the tm is the first 300 ive ridden that will keep up with itself meaning you can ride a gear high & dont need to clutch it to get it to jump into the power just roll it on ! Similar to how the old 500 2 strokes were but much easier to controll !
My custom order 2023 tm300en fi should be here January 😁
Bigger tank, rubber bar mounts, skid plate, rad fan , sprung and valved for my weight
Love my 2016 TM 144EN, no issues only wear parts. 👍
Loved the video! Looking forward to the Sherco video. I’d like to see you get the TM just to see how well it works and how well it holds up for you. Another reason or two is there isn’t a lot of them out there and it’s a family owned business that makes a machine that is very competitive. I like that much better when compared to the great pumpkin that buys up other brands and then just puts different colored plastics on the same bike.
A long time ago I had a TM-250 - It was a 1973 model if I remember right. Only mine was yellow and black!! (-:
I think a real problem for KTM and the clones is it's a multinational conglomerate now that is purely focused on profit... not a great long term strategy for dirt bikes. Whereas smaller brands are still passionate about making great bikes. There are pros and cons to each, but I know which I'd prefer!
I have the 2021 EN 300 Fi - just love this bike. I trail in Northern Minnesota USA under many different conditions and weather....never fails and given how light it is, it's easy on the body and fuel on the longer rides.
Great to hear, David. Unfortunately our guy ran into problems with the Fi he couldn't resolve, and the dealer/distributor couldn't or wouldn't resolve it. Eventually he sold it back to the shop at a loss. 🤔
@@crosstrainingenduro I am so very sorry to hear this. Breaks my spirit for TM Racing bikes. I have a company and I will do whatever it takes to make the customer happy even if I know that they will never use me again. Wish all companies would do the same - especially when it is not the riders fault for the issue or issues. Best of luck on the next bike.....and keep up the great work on the videos.
It was an unfortunate scenario, David. Afterward we did hear negative gossip from various people about the dealer and distributor. Not sure how much was true, but when you are trying to relaunch TM as a viable brand I think you really want to back your customers to the hilt... at least in the early days! Personally I was very close to buying a TM carb model but this turned me off immediately.
Guy’s where are all the 125 riders?? I only see you people are talking about 250 & 300!!
I own a 2017 en125 and I will never replace it! Never touched anything on the bike! All original suspension and carb tuning and it’s amazing!
Sad to see the 125 community disappears and everyone going to larger size bikes😢
A skilled rider could ride a 125 in hard enduro but man, it would be hard work... way way too much clutch slipping and revving! We reviewed the Beta RR125. Lots of fun, but totally wrong for hard enduro.
I had EN250 2004 full ohlins model, pure monster but great bike and even i sold it years ago its still i sweat memory and the best frame i ever riden (not alloy then). The only problem back then was the PV could brake the piston rings and then big mess in cylinder, new one costs lot, but it was a specific models problem. I love the brand, i love its bikes, once in TM you will always in love with those bikes.
Ouch. Yeah I did read about various problems like that many years back, Billy. I could be wrong, but I get the impression that they change things pretty quickly when a known issue comes up?
@@crosstrainingenduro Thats one of the biggest advantages of small companies, they can hear riders needs and and problems. Lot of my co-riders ocasionally had TM's and mine was the only problem worth to mention. Its a good choice "IF YOU HAVE GOOD DEALER CLOSE", if you dont it can be a nightmare geting parts, i am in greece and i had to order some parts from NEW ZEALAND and italy is in riding distance!!! imagine that...
A dream bike to my "dreams".
i have had a 2014 EN 125 for 2 years, +- 70 hours. with alot of problems for that timespan. now own a 2019 EN 300 carb. only problems ive had so far is: the off switchsticking(fixed), and the brake pedal is prone to smash into the clutchcover due to design. also due to design the electricstart sometimes doesnt grab. other than that its super nice to ride good brakes, good suspension and easy to turn.
Good to hear, Dylan. I did see some common problems on early models but almost nothing 2019+ so I figured they probably address issues quickly?
@@crosstrainingenduro apart from the electrical system the older models dont really have alot of common problems. so i think tm fixes the small problems they come across . i also forgot to add that the speeds sensor(atleast for the EU versions) on the whole EN range are prone to break, there are reinforcing plates that fix that problem
Apparently the electrics get revised again for 2022... but there didn't seem to be issues with the 2021.
I own a 2019 TM Racing EN300ES 2t (same as 2021 without 6 spd, but prefer 5spd WR anyways), and have loved my carb version better than the 2020 Husqvarna TPi I sold to buy this new off the floor. I've modified the engine with VHM head with 28mL insert, billet reed extender, Pro Circuit expansion chamber & silencer, Pro X double ringed Racing piston, and Smart Carb 2. No problems and have rode it in the Cascades I WA state by Canadian border, to just moving down to the East Coast in North Carolina by the ocean...I've loved the bike in every condition, and again, no problems. It feels more powerful in some areas or sections than my 22 Honda 450 and that is my track & GNCC/WORCS bike. I WILL NEVER buy another brand again besides Yamaha or Honda (even though the Gas Gas bikes are attractive
I think you get a one year warranty in the USA too? Impressive! It's only 30 days or three months in other countries for TM.
I had a pin on the ecu on my 2019 tm 300 en corrode and fall out which cost almost 500 quid for a new one, but the tm dealer in UK is amazing and will sort you out with anything and everything.
Bummer. That is happening a lot on current Beta models! Was it just a one-off? I've been searching far and wide for known issues... haven't heard of that one.
@@crosstrainingenduro
I think it was a one off i haven't heard of it happening to anyone else.
The convincing tone in your voice sounds like you have made up your mind😉 bugger the cost you only live once and you can't put a price on happiness 👊✊💨💨👊✊💨💨
Actually I'm split between this and a Sherco at the moment!
@@crosstrainingenduro mmmmm might be time for some sort of a ballot 🗳 🤔
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I would own one again. Had a 2014 second hand. TM UK and USA can help with parts and delivery was pretty quick. A lovely bike and ride. Would love a Quilty importer for after sale service. Good luck in the hard enduro.
Cheers Craig. Sherco is quite established here now so zero problem with parts which is always a good thing. Makes it a tempting package...
Can't bet the TM for its looks. They are one sexy Italian.
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2022 model looks like a significant improvement, very narrow with updated plastics, why did you choose the Sherco Factory over the TM in the end, can’t go wrong, but for the first time the 2022 TM models really impress me. Just things like quality, options, optional tank size, 9.5 or 12l freakin hell with a tag line of Ready to Race by the pumpkin eaters, these bikes are like true factory bike level, almost similar to the Maicos back n the day except without the unreliable reputation. Will Ruprechts flying the flag on the 3004t FI, I think he got 3rd in the first EnduroGP overall and 2nd in the E2 class this weekend. Anyways as usual good info, see if TM can get you a 22 to review TBI EN sick🤘
A few things. The guy with the Fi model had issues with the injection just after this vid, the dealer couldn't/wouldn't sort it, so he sold it back to the dealer. TM is a tiny brand here and the level of support and parts availability is not inspiring.
TM bikes used to have top end Ohlins suspension front and back! I wish they kept going with Ohlins instead of KYB 🤷♂️
I own a 2017 en125, the rear suspension is made by ohlins and it’s just amazing!
The only ear is made in house & is a carbon copy of the ohlins
I'm italian and I ride with guys that are in love with their TM's! Nothing to report I guess! 🤙
Great bikes, Mattia!
A few complaints I hear about is the kill switch location and the electric power valve needing to cycle to rest after shutting bike off and immediately restarting it. Front forks are stiff, but that could be rider preference.
the only known problem I can think of is the fact it doesn't start right, needs some rpms to run right after a start (you can hear it doing it at 2:17), this is a common issue that can be fixed with a remap or installing a switch to keep the ecu/pv controller (dont remember which) powered so you don't have to make it run right every time you stall/take a small break, just first starts.
I'll have to ask Ben about that, he never mentioned it. He's played with the ECU settings a bit and loves the grunt now.
A few guys mentioned hard starting in UK cold weather too? Not a prob here though of course.
@@crosstrainingenduro Yeah the stock battery isn't very good, that was the other thing I was forgetting. On the starting thing it will have basically no torque and then when it kicks out of it it takes off, will also be way louder and poppy. From what I know it's the power valve not setting right.
Two owners said their powervalve resets every time they turn the bike off. Might be connected with that? They rigged up a switch to stop this.
@@crosstrainingenduro Yeah the general thought on thumpertalk is its the powervalve, and thats the switch I was talking about.
Great review Barry👍
AJP also has aluminium alloy frames, they also have interesting extrusion patterns to reduce weight.
I’ve got a 2022 Tm en 300 carb. Easily the best bike I’ve ridden. One problem I’ve encountered is that the stock jetting came very rich. So much so that I foweled a pug easy change that’s the only issue I’ve come across
Almost every brand seems to have the jetting too rich, thankfully most good dealers fix this prior to sale. Is the factory just trying to minimise the chances of an engine failure?
@@crosstrainingenduro yeah I assume they would rather a bike fowl a 10 dollar plug than seize
Honestly though the bike is probably the lightest in its class on the market and it feels like it, you can flick it around it feels amazing! Very narrow. Also the anti vibration is insane, the only vibration really is that the sound generates and the carb model winds out very quickly and I don’t think that’s a hearing issue it’s acceleration is insane obviously you can change how easy the power valve opens but I love the hard hit
According to the clicks on the vid you should go for TM. Furthermore Sherco has allready some good promoters (Roman, Young) in Hardenduro etc. :-)
Tm is underrated they build really nice bikes. Unfortunately though choosing between a Sherco and any other brand doenst leave much room in my personal opinion. Sherco's build quality and componets plus their engine and traction are way ahead of the competion. Only way to choose something else is looks or just to try something else. I am not a Sherco fanboy and i dont care about branding, i own a pre-KTM Gas Gas and that's just my opinion interacting and experiencing current available hard enduro bikes
Probably the main thing against Sherco's quality is occasionally the plastics still don't line up properly and the fuel tank isn't properly secured. And the occasional ECU and rectifier failures... although these might have been updated for 2021? It doesn't worry me much as you find the same niggling things on every brand, and the failure rate is almost always quite low.
I had no idea they were even racing! I will not buy another one off type bike, since after 10 years it becomes very difficult to find plastics and certain parts. Guess I should just wear the bike out faster haha!
I never understood why European usually always go with steel frame when Japanese switched to aluminum nearly 20 years ago and never look back. Common sense would say that aluminum would be lighter and stiffer, but I'm not an engineer. The only thing I know is they don't rust and they are easy to polish 👌
I do remember it could be a lot harder working on a WR450F engine when they went to the bulky alloy frame in 2007. But I asked Ben and he said it's still easy accessing everything on the TM two stroke.
Stiffness is a problem.
I wish I had the link to the video where Steve Mathes spoke with the person who was running the Honda team in the US when the aluminum frame came out. He never states it but his tone during the interview leads me to believe he prefers the steel frames. It was interesting that they built 27 different chassis that one year!
Let's be honest! Japanese manufactures gave up on off road a long time ago. The focus on MX is what brought about the alloy frame as MX demands a rigid frame. Most alloy frames are heavier than the steel frames so it's not for weight. for enduro flex is usually a good thing!
Found it! th-cam.com/video/PRAuSDfwjhI/w-d-xo.html
A carburated 2021 300cc 2-stroke, without oil injection, is just about as good as it gets it seems. No major updates for 2022 as I see it. For me, the ultimate bikes are the 2021 Sherco 300 SE factory, 2021 TM EN 300 and 2021 Beta 300 RR Race Edition. The Beta I can't stand the look of and the TM would also probably be excluded due to the price and availability of parts. That leaves the Sherco as the ultimate bike, again, for me personally that is.
I agree, 300 two strokes with carbs rock.
Great riding Video ! Nice bike too
Cheers! Ben isn't too shabby on a bike nowadays...
ENice bike is fun to have and play with! I'd love to have 1 or 3😁
I think, sherco îs a very good option, în this moment, on the market. A real hard enduro weapon
I'll do a similar vid about the Sherco, Ovidiu. I'm trying to decide between these two bikes.
Great bike, definitely not rarest brand you would see on the trails vent, hm or valenti or bimota are far more rare than these
Love my bike I got a 2022 the thing is an absolute beast the problems I’m having is my digital screen , brake lights , head lights ,horn all went out . But my electric start works and the fan works I’ve been riding it like this for a while now as I checked everything I could think of like any obvious wiring or pipes fuses but everything looks fine ? I’ve got to take it in to the shop .
Sounds like a Beta electrical system lol. Speedos are the big point of failure, then to a lesser extent everything else. Hope the shop can get it sorted.
All the many dirt bikes I’ve owned, always wanted a TM , but never bit the bullet 🤔
Great review. Appreciate your honesty and sense of humor. On the KTM is the TPI for toilet paper installed?
😂 I almost spilled my coffee reading that one Marty!
Should I buy a 4t for urban forest trails and for some street riding, or is 2t better for me? My budjet is 4000-6000€ for a bike and about 1500€ for yearly maintances and uprages.
We already have specific vids about this.
Buy one. You won't regret it.
Tempting!
yep, incredibly fun bike
made in house rear shock is a negative point for me, if you want parts, seal or revalve... they should stay wit KYB front and rear.
Interesting, Marty. If it's a good shock and all dealers stock parts... probably not an issue. But when they are still such a small brand that availability could be a real problem.
Hi I love your videos. I own a 19 Tm En300es carb model. And I love this bike. I’ve had a lot of Ktm 300 and 250s. I should have got a Tm along time ago.
No problems with the 2019 model, Charles?
Know not at all. The only thing is no time to ride it more.
@Cross Training Enduro I see your 'Which Two Stroke 300?' video is up on the TM Racing USA facebook page...
Seriously? I wonder if they'll take it down if I don't buy a TM. 😂 I'm evenly split on the TM and Sherco at the moment.
I have abused my 2006 tm since I got it raced it used it as a daily driver giving it full wake around the Irish backroeds banging the thing out the only recurring problem I have had with it is the water pump seal keeps wearing out really fast the last year or 2, I think it more something to do with the new impeller shaft, so my plan is to get the old one milled and nickeld
Good to hear, Mar!
I have the same bike and love it, came over from a ktm exc 300 2015
Something you my not know is the 2022 Fi models have moved from transfer port injection (TPI) to throttle body injection (TBI). Not sure if this will change the throttle response down low.
I heard rumours about this, Jeff. But no confirmation from TM. Apparently KTM is doing this too and it's meant to solve the doughy power and low revs. Time will tell.
@@crosstrainingenduro - check out this video of a new 2022 TM 300 EN Fi. He goes around the whole bike and you can see no injectors on the cylinders. They appear to be underneath the throttle body..
th-cam.com/video/tc3OGj5kgJg/w-d-xo.html
@@crosstrainingenduro - FYI, I have one on order that shipped to the U.S. at the end of December. Still waiting for it, but the U.S. dealer confirmed it has TBI.
Sweet! I wonder why TM isn't mentioning it in their PR?
@@crosstrainingenduro - Hopefully it solves the seizing.
Sherco seems to be ahead in the new bike purchase race. Rich Larson just did a review on IRC tyre channel and may interest you fyi. Cheers
One year warranty in the USA too which is impressive. I hope he rode the carb model, we only got to ride the fuel injected one and the bottom end power was pretty soft... just like the Austrian TPI models.
I was leaning towards a Sherco for my next bike. But TM is just so fukin RAD.... hard choices...
Tell me about it lol
@@crosstrainingenduro in the mean time. My Japanese devil 😈 in a blue dress will keep me very happy.
I love my 2018 yz250. Only thing I feel it's missing is A Pantera E start kit and a 18 inch rear wheel.
To had to the Tm history. Tm where the company who developed and made the chassis for Honda alloy framed bikes from 1998
Interesting!
Can you do a video on what age is too late to start riding dirtbikes
When you’re dead
Anytime before death is a great time to start.
We did a few videos about old age and riding a few years ago.
The same age as when someone gets old. When they start thinking they are old and restraint themselves because of this. For some it might happen at 40 and in other case it might never happen.
So are you old or are you going to ride?
It's never too late 😉
Haven't tried the "new" aluminium frame bikes but the older model enduro 250 2004 2 stroke is a rocket ship compared to 2022 ktm. xc 250 2 stroke. Getting parts in Europe is quite easy with some bling also. Tm racing facebook groups have much information if you are intressed.
Good point, I didn't think of checking the TM groups on Facebook.
@@crosstrainingenduro TM Racing Worldwide Community & Marketplace
Private group
How is the turning radius on the TM? As good as the KTM? I had a 2012 GG with the perimeter style frame and the turning radius was awful for switchbacks and I ride a ton of them.
Hard to say, Glenn. I haven't ridden a TPI bike for a while now. It's not great but we are pivot turning all the time in gnarly terrain which makes it less important. I did see one owner thought it could be better and he was going to file down the steering stoppers...
Would love one, but only runs on race fuel.
Are you sure, Trevor? None of the guys I know riding them use race fuel... the bikes seem to run fine.
@@crosstrainingenduro Manual states 93 octane here in the states. Local sales rep confirmed it. Would be nice to know how many people are not heeding that advice. Got a 2022 YZ250X instead. Super simple, super reliable, and seriously modded up for under 9K. Love it, but would have loved to have had a TM as well.
Interesting... our standard rating is 91 which all the dealers feel is close enough. Pretty much everyone runs this unless they have a high compression four stroke, which case they'll use 95. There's also a 98 option here at all the fuel stations. So what is technically 'race' fuel in the USA?
@@crosstrainingenduro Dealer rep confirmed that manual asks for 93. But I am not sure if 93 US rating scheme is the same in the rest of the world.
We use the RON system... probably the same over there?
get the TM! support italian handmade quality
It has to be better than Beta's version of Italian 'quality'. The dreaded main bearing issue for going on three years. Dealers still have to go over the bikes looking for missing parts, poor wiring, bolts too loose or too tight etc.
Would be very interested in a you if it does have the 6 speed can you confirm for the 2stroke all info says only 4stroke is 6 speed.
I have always loved the TM.
Definitely a six speed. I have a 2021 TM 250 Fi two stroke.
TM has confirmed six speed for 2021 definitely. They are just slack with updating their websites. They also don't mention they've changed the injection on the fuel injection which should improve the low end power. And they don't mention their weight figures. Bizarre!
I dont remember for sure, but i believe their MX models still had a 5 speed for 2021. But all the EN bikes came with the 6 speed.
Thanks all and thanks Barry might have to get myself one for my birthday :)
Always loved the tm
Great looking bike. Had an older one once. and I would have another one 👍
That would have been a carb model... we'd love to try one as the power at low revs was pretty weak on this Fi model.
@@crosstrainingenduro yes it was a carb model. Luv your vids keep up the good work 👍
I watched Shane Watts ride a TM 125 enduro model. The bike was fast.
I suspect Wattsy would be fast on a postie bike too, Kyle 😎
@@crosstrainingenduro Very true. I’m sure he can make any bike look good and everyone else around him look slow haha
The guy's a freak!
I did a search for TM dealers near me within a 200 mile radius only 4 showed up and sadly they had nothing to show. Not even a "Dealer Showroom"
Yep, we had a similar situation here with Beta a few years ago.
I ve read on thumpertalk a few people have problem with their 300en hesitating/bogging/low power just after starting the engine, and it last for +-10 second. Ever hear about it?
I assume is the Fi model, Pascal? As per our pinned first comment, our guy had fuel injection issues that couldn't be resolved. The distributor and dealer wouldn't provide support initially as he was just outside the three month warranty period. When he discussed the problems online, they agreed to buy the bike back from him at a reduced price.
I ordered mine 2 days ago and I can't stop thinking about it. Send help
😁 I can have it diverted to my place if it will cause too much stress, Michael?
Please tell me. KYB suspension like on SHERCO Racing? SHERCO has a red KYB with a closed cartridge; a black KYB with an open cartridge.
Each brand does their own version of valving and spring rates with their KYB. The best by far is Yamaha's SSS version. The other brands vary from great to pretty good...