They are not delusional. If Christians are delusional, then so is everybody else, because not everything we believe can be proven with 100% certainty. Believing in a lie does not make one delusional.
Yeah I know…I used to be one of those ☹️ knowledge and scientific research actually opens your eyes and leads you to logic…and is also a creative and fun process!
Heaven and Christianity suffer from the same fundamental problem. Too many Christians. Dahmer would be no worse than anyone else there. I'd just as soon go to hell than spend eternity with a bunch of damn Christians.
This is not only sad, it's infuriating. The absolute smug condescension dripping from this caller's words is beyond insulting, and that's not even touching the spectacularly awful arguments made.
You are correct! When our sins are washed away, it's standard to take the right 2 digits off of your IQ. Apparently with this caller, his IQ was only double digits to start with...
Calls like this are frustrating but are so good at holding a mirror up to questioning and more logical Christians. Really shows them how ridiculous their religion is
You've got to give the believers some credit for all the hard work they put in asserting its 'power', 'agency' and 'existence'. Such a shame that, in thousands of years, every one of them has produced zero, zilch, nada, nil, none, nought, zip, nul, ኒል, Զրո, শূন্য, ʻAʻole, אֶפֶס, शून्य, Nulla, Ekkert, ноль, leai, शून्यम्, nol, nialas, Нула, neoni... and all the other ways in too many languages you can write 'not a damn thing!' regarding evidence of their brand of sky daddy. But they all do suffer from a severe case of bloviation, with complications caused by an excess of purest bullshit, the poor deluded things! 🤣🤣
@@Columbiastargazer He was going on and on about how heartbroken he was that Matt had left and he was going to stop trolling this channel. But because he's a theist, his morality is based on an imaginary god creature, so he is OK with outright lying.
@@Julian0101 Pretty sure, given the smoothbrain theology of the caller, that it means he'd have to ask for forgiveness again (or that he'd have to ask for forgiveness _and mean it_ since apparently True Christians™ don't sin)
I love how this guy COMPLETELY deflates after one single question made from a calm, rational mind. Basically dude hit a wall and staggered back in a daze.
@@marasmusine nice 👍 when videos go more than 10 minutes, people's attention span usually already gone. We then need time stamps for that so people can go to the meat of the matter, rather than listen to theists incoherent rambling, which is painful to the ears. Especially when they say so much only to mean nothing at all.
If there is a heaven I don't believe God is there. He put his mistakes on planet Earth and abandoned us. And if he did attempt to help by sending jeebus, Earthlings were unkind. Which makes even more reason to fly far away and disappear from us forever. There is only helll and we are all going there
Grew up with fundie parents. Cowards, mentally. They hide reality inside the littlest Russian doll. Shouldn't have made me literate by three AND been fans of the founding fathers. Thomas Paine's 'Age of Reason' was a quick read at 15. Leaving behind any semblance of belief was an even quicker decision.
I live in the UK and I can honestly say I have not met any of my countrymen spew out this kind of crap ! Yes, we have Christians of various shapes and taste but you just don't get this weird stuff. I am 66 years of age and I have never heard anyone speak this kind of garbage. I listen to quite a few American atheist programmes because I find some of the callers are so delusional is quite entertaining.
In the US religions are not governed by the state and are allowed to adversely influence the society from a independent position of power. The fact that religions have managed to infiltrate their way into politics all the way to the top and corrupt the society through and through is a major reason for the religious weirdness that comes out of the US.
I also live in theUK but I have met some one who spewed out this crap, he was a jobo (Jehovah witness in case any one doesn’t know). He told me that he had total proof of the existence of a god, and then showed me a passage from the watch tower. My favourite American evangelist is Kenneth Copeland. Please send him over to us so that he can blow away our political problems.
It's Genetic 😃 The initial wave of invited Immigrants - 185O's then second 1900 to America were people who were mostly victims of persecution - religious mainly. Mix of :- Puritan, Anglican, Quaker, Calvinist, Lutheran religions plus Jews, Politicos etc .
It sounds like you are just insulting other people, based on the country they live in, to make yourself feel superior. People where I live don't do that sort of thing.
So, according to John, I can commit the most terrifying crimes imaginable in this life... and as long as I believe in jesus, I won't be punished and I'll go to heaven to party. Well, that's screwed up as f*ck. That's a sick deity right there.
@@MrCanis4 Oh, man... You know what, no wonder there's so many sx crimes committed by priests (catholic church) being uncovered in many contries (like mine). In their minds, they can do whatever they want to anyone: just believe in jesus and you're safe.
John of CA is the sort of arrogant Christian who confirms me in my belief that giving up Christianity like an alcoholic gives up booze is the best decision I ever made. Not that that I was ever a religious addict like John of CA. He's a sad case, and would make a bad neighbour, lousy friend and absolutely horrible spouse.
A perfect (maximized in every conceivable way) being would be free of wants, needs and desires. It would be perfectly content. It would have no need to create anything at all much less DEMAND it's creations to glorify it for eternity or torture them eternally for not believing it exists.
And what believers don't, and never will understand, is how much this counters the claim of 'free will'. If you were brought here with two choices to either worship whichever god you devote your life to, or suffer for eternity, what is free will?
John when you won't answer a direct question you appear dishonest and weak. If the almighty creator of this universe is backing you up, you would think you might be a little braver.
Thankfully we no longer live in a world where you can get murdered for not believing in a god. Unless you live in a fanatical muslim country of course.
The issue with hell is that there is literally no possible way to deserve to go there forever. Some people may deserve punishment, but eternal torture is the ultimate unfairness no matter what you've done. Even people like Hitler and Genghis Kahn don't deserve *eternal suffering.* Imagine being tortured so long you could watch the entire life cycle of the universe birthing and being destroyed by the hands of time trillions of times and still not being any closer to salvation than when you started. Why not just obliterate the souls of the damned? That would be more reasonable than the concept of hell is.
There's a school of thought that after enough time had passed, the tortures of hell would become "meh" once the mind has snapped. A person could retreat into that mind, and live there, maybe playing back their past life, or imagining a new one. Someone in heaven wouldn't have this option, they'd spend every minute of every day and night, waiting on god, as prophesied in Rev. Of course, all of this is just a load of dingoes kidneys anyway.
So you have four different perspectives from four different writers, who weren't even there, writing about hearsay that definitely does contradict each other, which introduces so much confusion. How could an infallible, perfect god allow that to happen? If you wanted people to know you, wouldn't you want your message to be perfectly clear with no room for confusion? So why allow four different authors tell four different versions of the same story with contradictory things happening? Make it make sense!
If sin, as I have been told, breaks the laws of the gods, then as an atheist I cannot break them. Atheists cannot be sinners, sinners are people who believe in that particular god and the laws they believe in. These "laws" only apply to those who live in the country/religion/god governed by these laws.
John starts with the threat of hell, and finishes with the threat of hell, having been shown to be wrong on all issues he raised. The tap dance didn't work John. No wonder Christianity is losing adherents !
Before Christianity or the Hebrew religion Hell was the place that everyone went to after dying, heaven was reserved exclusively for the gods alone. It wasn't until Zoroastrianism came on the scene that ordinary people were then allowed to go to heaven and Hell was reserved for the evil people. So Judaism, Christianity and Islam have all been influenced by the earlier monotheistic religion of Zoroastrianism whether they like it or not.
This is really sad. He's heard some apologists spout their nonsense. He tried to stick to a script and very reluctantly answered direct questions. He has so many christian thought stoppers going around his head. It's really sad. I hope that he finds his way out.
Do not be so harsh - he does not know that this is nonsense. In his bubble that alll makes total sense, and after this onslaught of reality he will flee back into his bubble and forget all this. These people have been conditioned to not perceive certain things. When you have this strategy to set out your perception, you can live a happy and easy life in peace. Just as people here in Germany learned not to perceive certain things, to not look in certain directions, where jewish shops were taken over by christians and jewish families moved away or disappeared suddenly. Great effort was made by the regime to maintain normality, to keep people distracted. You could live a normal, harmless life, never seeing anything bad. They maintained that largely even throughout the war. Moves like "Die Feurzangenbowle"; "Münchhausen", "Große Freiheit Nr. 7" were produced far into the war, and are totally unpolitical, absolutely harmless, you can watch them with fun and do not need to have a bad conscience. That is the application of the same principle as that what christianity does.
@@feedingravens I understand 110%. Not to seem condescending but I was a devout Baptist who went to a far right evangelical baptist school. I was this guy for most of my teen years. Then the pendulum swing a little to far in the other direction and had that prideful feeling of nonbelievers after I felt like I “escaped” something and everyone around me needed me to tell them that! Now I’m completely comfortable saying I don’t know if there’s a deity/creator behind all this chaos. I say I don’t believe YET but this is the forum for it I think. So yea, I shouldn’t be so harsh. Maybe it’s because I see some of myself in some of these guys! However all that said, in order to have a productive, mature, honest conversation you need to contribute to it. He’s learning how but he’s got too many scripts to go through that revolve around his personal/emotional needs. Which as you said is ingrained.
If I am not as smart as a book that says the Earth is flat and unmoving, the Sun goes around the Earth, the Sun and stars are not similar and the stars will fall to the earth someday, then I should burn forever.
I've never traveled to the west coast, but am I the only one that finds it strange to hear hardcore evangelicals out of California? Stereotypes are dumb, that's fair.
@@bswantner2 California is enormous, it's basically its own country. while the urban centers are typically progressive, there are large swathes of rural conservative areas.
There are non-theist religions. Cricket has a phrase for bad behaviour. "It's not cricket". Religion is a word that people associate with being Good. I object to cluttering it up with belief in a God.
Christianity is so immoral. You can literally BE Jeffrey dahmer, a psychotic sadistic murderer, and then after all that, say a few meaningless words and go to heaven for ever. That’s what they believe and they’re ok with it. Or perhaps they’re not entirely ok with it, as this caller’s infuriating refusal to answer a simple question indicates.
15:53 aww, john couldn't explain the contradictions in the book he claims to be "smarter" than the hosts.. so is now trying to run away by changing the subject
@@wyett123 That's often the main reason why we're atheists. Because we've actually read the 'wholly holey book(s) of nonsense'. I sometimes wonder how many believers have managed to do that even once.
The christian conquerors during the crusades and the conquest of Indigenous America murdered millions of people. The god in the name of which they kill was and is fake but the murders were real. Not saying to have fear but to keep a good eye on the fictional god followers.
And note once did he give any evidence that the stories in the Bible are actually true, especially considering that Jesus has two mutually exclusive birth narratives.
@@XEndlessSteelX "creature" is a stupid dog whistle that Darth Dawkins sycophants use. This guy keeps changing accounts and spamming because he's too afraid to go crying back to Daddy and say that he failed.
"what could you have done?" You were born. Because Adam sinned, anyone born deserves to be punished unless they say a few magic words. And if you are a complete sadist and say the magic words you are in too.
It amazes me to think that Christians believe that a baby, straight out of the womb, covered in blood and slime, knows nothing, doesn't know right from left, doesn't know right from wrong, and is basically a blank slate, is doomed to hell right from the beginning unless someone intervenes to indoctrinate him and gets him to achieve salvation.
…..allow me to play on line psychologist. Your caller has a problem with on line porn and is very guilty about it. He left multiple clues in the conversation.
John should ask himself a lot of questions. First I wonder if John ever read the bible. He's just listened to others. Like many, he hasn't a clue how the thing even came together! 🌊💙💙💙🌊🥰✌
If there is a “heaven”, then do these giddily hostile sadists *truly* believe they’re gonna go there? Have fun hanging with Dahmer, dude… 🔥 (…and, again, the hosts need to start going *Dillahunty* on a lotta these callers. The angry, delusional, nonsensical rambling is going on for waAAaaay too long as of late. It’s exhausting and unproductive).
It’s nice to see the usual “believers” have given up on trying to provide any reason to believe in their specific gods. Shows that their own faith is starting to crumble. All they seem to have left is the anger they were trained to have. Looks like reality is sinking in with them after all
He does not even know that he has no proof. He was told that he has the proof, and therefore he has it. Just as the Bible reveals the laws of logic that were created by God, reveals the rules of morality dictated by God, reveals the meaning of life. All that is claimed that it is in the Bible and from God, so the believers are logical, moral and their life has meaning. The persuasion that they have all this is what makes them happy. No need to know anything about that.
99% of people who ever existed fail to meet the biblical standard to avoid hell, including this caller but they are deluding themselves out of fear AND never even consider whether the entire concept is rational or supported by sufficient evidence to warrant belief.
I love talking about the resurrection because it's not just that there are 4 contradictory stories, but the Greek Testament doesn't tell us anyone actually witnessed the rising. All they have is the claim that the tomb was empty, so they need to accept that he was risen on faith, not witnesses (even though Jesus said the "wicked and adulterous generation" would be given this sign).
He can't answer the question because the answer conflicts with his personal morals and if he sticks with it, he is afraid he will be damned for eternity in the after-life, if there is even one.
*I've engaged in no activity ["sin"] that would warrant more than a two day stint in jail. Certainly not an eternity roasting in hell. Just another glaring example of how the god of the Bible is a sadistic ogre.*
@@jaflenbond7854 --- *"Knock knock."* *"Who's there?"* *"It's me, Jesus... Let me in."* *"Let you in why?"* *"So I can save you."* *"Save me from what?"* *"From what I'm going to do to you if you don't let me in."*
People who are praying will also claim that god has a plan and are allknowing, so praying is disrespecting their gods plan and ignoring that he already knows the thing they are praying for. And even when they claim that god has a plan they will still say that they have free will.
When christians talk to me about the bible, i tell them "If I came to you and told you the way to paradise after death is the Easter Bunny. He brings warm fuzzy chocolate goodness forever, you just believe in the bunny and everything will work out". I then ask them what they think about what I said and after a couple of evasions they will admit it's silly. Then I tell them that when they talk to be about a god, it's the same as the Easter bunny story to me, and no matter what they try to pile onto that, it's just more Easter bunny nonsense.
If the Christian god tortured himself and then killed himself to pay a ransom to himself to forgive his followers 'sins', why is there still a debt owed and why are Christians still sinners, once your debt is paid you are no longer a debtor.
That's the beauty of it. You can sin all you want, and just ask for forgiveness. In fact, there's a passage in the bible that makes it clear that heaven rejoices when this happens, and values this *more* than a good person that doesn't sin. Presumably, so Jesus' lost weekend wasn't for nothing.
"The Bible is smarter than mankind!"
Bible: Bats are birds.
Bible: talking animals.
🤣
@@Danny451 Smallest seed is mustard
Bible: God created light before stars
Me: wait a minute 🤔
There were plants before the sun
There's no hate like Christian love.
Their god so full of love and that's why they love 'hate' so much
That's my new bumper sticker. Well done!
He loves you, so love him back, or he'll burn you in a fire forever. Makes sense, right?😂
@@acefighter682 I don't remember saying these things. If I may ask, why do you feel this way?
Or.....is there no love like christian hate?
Semantics, eh?
This is your brain on religion.
Yes, atheism is stronger than crack cocaine.
Ha...ha...ha ...hallerious I agree ..Bullseye ! ...nice shot george .
That sums it all up!
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature prove it.
It's sad.
John is a perfect representative of Christianity
yea.... absolutely pathetic
Yup. Pure delusion
@@dannyspitzer1267 oooo I remember you. You are one of our most famous trolls. So how has your trolling been going today🤔??
@@claudiasolomon1123 Don't you mean MCD? @Danny Spitzer is cool.
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature You have a pair of nuts on your chin whether you believe it or not, _preacher._
It's scary how many people live in a delusional fantasy world.
What's worse, they insist that you live in that delusional fantasy world, too.
They are not delusional. If Christians are delusional, then so is everybody else, because not everything we believe can be proven with 100% certainty. Believing in a lie does not make one delusional.
I'm living the dream!
Yeah I know…I used to be one of those ☹️ knowledge and scientific research actually opens your eyes and leads you to logic…and is also a creative and fun process!
@@dx1450 and then they hate you when you decide you don’t want to join them.
Like all theists, John's brain has been deep fried in a giant vat of religious grease. Extra crispy.
Don't forget the side order of char-broiled DERP!
You were duped with atheist sophistry. Extra bigotry.
Man, that grease has to be incredibly nasty by now. It's the same grease since the first mistake of Genesis 1.
@@dawkinrich2051 bro u asked for evidence for atheism, I think u need to worry more about who’s duping who lmao
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Imagine being one of Darmer's victims in heaven and finding out he's just moved in next door!
Nobody in Heaven will move in next door to Dahmer.
Heaven and Christianity suffer from the same fundamental problem. Too many Christians. Dahmer would be no worse than anyone else there.
I'd just as soon go to hell than spend eternity with a bunch of damn Christians.
@@MrKit9 since heaven is imaginary thats true.
Imagine being one of his victims in hell and knowing the guy who raped, murdered and then ATE you is spending eternity in paradise.
Well, considering a lot of them were gay they wouldn’t, which is an even bigger fuck you in my opinion.
This is not only sad, it's infuriating. The absolute smug condescension dripping from this caller's words is beyond insulting, and that's not even touching the spectacularly awful arguments made.
🔊ATHEISM IN 2022? REALLY!!!!! 💣💣💣😂😂
@@makeamericagreatagainwithtrump 👈 obvious troll is obvious AF!
smug condescention IS the meat and taters of the x-tian religion....
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature you have non-magical chemicals, regardless.
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature Religion is a smile on a dog.
Sometimes I feel sad because I'm not as smart as I would like to be. Then someone like John from CA calls and I feel like Aristotle. 🧑🎓
Same here.
Even though he was a bright guy, Aristotle was wrong about almost everything. Don't worry, John feels like he is smart enough for the both of you.
@@rembrandt972ify But Aristotle had the lagit excuse of true ignorance, now days John does not!
@@Refertech101 You can always find an excuse. 🤪
Aristotle was kind of an idiot, though.
"HEY MAN! I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING, AND I AM HERE TO TELL YOU ABOUT IT!"
🤣
That would make a great T-Shirt
@@canbest7668 I think I may legit try to make these. I have OK graphics skill and think I can manage all caps 😎
@@suburban-vampire I will buy one!
Someone in another channel, when asked why they always use all-caps, replied "That's the only way that I know of, to make my posts stand out"
Lol.
Apparently when god washes away our sins, several IQ points get washed away too.
That's a good one. 😂
More like 30 in John's case, from 85 to 55.
@@chiricahuaapache5132 and I think 75 is the cutoff for being retarded. John started off pretty low...
You are correct! When our sins are washed away, it's standard to take the right 2 digits off of your IQ. Apparently with this caller, his IQ was only double digits to start with...
A true christian will sooner or later resort to threats when their arguments turn to shit.
Unfortunately.
@@Sinless_Stone_Caster fortunately. That’s slowly but steadily turning normies away from their bizarre and hateful dogma
@@a.g.m8790 Good.
@@Sinless_Stone_Caster hell yea. I’m so glad they can’t help themselves
That's not a true Christian, that's an idiot!
Oh wait they're the same thing, my bad!
What kind of monster would throw its creations into "hell"? It's a stupid concept only believed by stupid people.
Calls like this are frustrating but are so good at holding a mirror up to questioning and more logical Christians. Really shows them how ridiculous their religion is
I find, in my limited experience, whenever a theist has nowhere to go in an argument, it often ends with, “You’re going to hell”.
and still ZERO evidence for some magical invisible sky daddy
You've got to give the believers some credit for all the hard work they put in asserting its 'power', 'agency' and 'existence'. Such a shame that, in thousands of years, every one of them has produced zero, zilch, nada, nil, none, nought, zip, nul, ኒል, Զրո, শূন্য, ʻAʻole, אֶפֶס, शून्य, Nulla, Ekkert, ноль, leai, शून्यम्, nol, nialas, Нула, neoni... and all the other ways in too many languages you can write 'not a damn thing!' regarding evidence of their brand of sky daddy. But they all do suffer from a severe case of bloviation, with complications caused by an excess of purest bullshit, the poor deluded things! 🤣🤣
I'd be willing to fake believe a sky daddy. That sounds hot 😂
and still ZERO evidence a concoction of chemicals came from the OBLIVION and made everything.
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature nope, you poorly educated child
@@Columbiastargazer He was going on and on about how heartbroken he was that Matt had left and he was going to stop trolling this channel.
But because he's a theist, his morality is based on an imaginary god creature, so he is OK with outright lying.
An inanimate object probably is smarter than John.
I’ve had more intelligent conversations with a furby
Don’t insult the callers intelligence, please
@@cubonefan3 it isn't an insult if it's the truth.
@@cubonefan3 I'm not insulting, I'm agreeing.
Rocks rock 😉
'Jeffrey Dahmer can be forgiven for his youthful transgressions' was not the direction I expected this to take...
If they're honest...it always leads this way. Otherwise they stutter and stammer
Would that mean if his transgressions were later on life then he couldnt be forgiven?
@@Julian0101 Pretty sure, given the smoothbrain theology of the caller, that it means he'd have to ask for forgiveness again (or that he'd have to ask for forgiveness _and mean it_ since apparently True Christians™ don't sin)
@Stoned Nihilist Actually, by Xtian dogma, Dahmer's in heaven, and his victims most likely are in hell.
It's exactly where I thought this would go. Of course they love the cannibal. Have you ever been to a church? Blood of Christ? Lol
I love how this guy COMPLETELY deflates after one single question made from a calm, rational mind. Basically dude hit a wall and staggered back in a daze.
What!? Timestamp it for us man. This is 17 min. long...
@@hakureikura9052 It's the first question asked 1:18. John can't be honest so just rambles on incoherently.
Oh, there's more to pick from! 6:10 as well
@@marasmusine nice 👍 when videos go more than 10 minutes, people's attention span usually already gone. We then need time stamps for that so people can go to the meat of the matter, rather than listen to theists incoherent rambling, which is painful to the ears. Especially when they say so much only to mean nothing at all.
He finally stops dancing around the question and answers around 8:20
John's beliefs are disgusting! He basically called to preach.Who would want to be in heaven, even it were real?
If there is a heaven I don't believe God is there. He put his mistakes on planet Earth and abandoned us. And if he did attempt to help by sending jeebus, Earthlings were unkind. Which makes even more reason to fly far away and disappear from us forever. There is only helll and we are all going there
Right! I do not want to be in heaven with John and Jeffrey Dahlmer thanks
John's mind must be what hell is like. That poor guy is obviously living in perpetual torment in this life.
Grew up with fundie parents. Cowards, mentally. They hide reality inside the littlest Russian doll. Shouldn't have made me literate by three AND been fans of the founding fathers. Thomas Paine's 'Age of Reason' was a quick read at 15. Leaving behind any semblance of belief was an even quicker decision.
You know when they pull out the "bible is perfect" they have abandoned reason.
I live in the UK and I can honestly say I have not met any of my countrymen spew out this kind of crap ! Yes, we have Christians of various shapes and taste but you just don't get this weird stuff. I am 66 years of age and I have never heard anyone speak this kind of garbage. I listen to quite a few American atheist programmes because I find some of the callers are so delusional is quite entertaining.
In the US religions are not governed by the state and are allowed to adversely influence the society from a independent position of power. The fact that religions have managed to infiltrate their way into politics all the way to the top and corrupt the society through and through is a major reason for the religious weirdness that comes out of the US.
Yes, the seppos here are full-on muppets, science help me.
I also live in theUK but I have met some one who spewed out this crap, he was a jobo (Jehovah witness in case any one doesn’t know). He told me that he had total proof of the existence of a god, and then showed me a passage from the watch tower. My favourite American evangelist is Kenneth Copeland. Please send him over to us so that he can blow away our political problems.
It's Genetic 😃
The initial wave of invited Immigrants - 185O's then second 1900 to America were people who were mostly victims of persecution - religious mainly. Mix of :-
Puritan, Anglican, Quaker,
Calvinist, Lutheran religions plus
Jews, Politicos etc .
It sounds like you are just insulting other people, based on the country they live in, to make yourself feel superior. People where I live don't do that sort of thing.
John's brain has been thoroughly washed & conditioned.
assuming it's still in his skull.
The smoothest and shiniest brain.
Deep-fried, too.
They used the extra strong bleach on John's brain.
Not only that, he rinsed and repeated.
When arguments fail there's always the threats ...
So, according to John, I can commit the most terrifying crimes imaginable in this life... and as long as I believe in jesus, I won't be punished and I'll go to heaven to party. Well, that's screwed up as f*ck. That's a sick deity right there.
Yep, be Jeffrey Dahmer, say you’re really really sorry and get “saved”, BAM, instant Willy Willy Wonka Golden ticket to heaven!
These are the same Christians that say atheists just don't want to have any personal accountability.
In his world, it is possible that Hitler is in heaven, and because I do not believe I go to hell.
@@MrCanis4 Oh, man... You know what, no wonder there's so many sx crimes committed by priests (catholic church) being uncovered in many contries (like mine). In their minds, they can do whatever they want to anyone: just believe in jesus and you're safe.
@@MrCanis4 Well according to christianity hitler is indeed in haven, he was a creationist after all
John of CA is the sort of arrogant Christian who confirms me in my belief that giving up Christianity like an alcoholic gives up booze is the best decision I ever made. Not that that I was ever a religious addict like John of CA. He's a sad case, and would make a bad neighbour, lousy friend and absolutely horrible spouse.
You're so right.
Not if he found a wife that believes the same bs
A perfect (maximized in every conceivable way) being would be free of wants, needs and desires. It would be perfectly content. It would have no need to create anything at all much less DEMAND it's creations to glorify it for eternity or torture them eternally for not believing it exists.
I would argue that perfection is incapable of creation, because any creation would necessarily lower the quality of existence.
And what believers don't, and never will understand, is how much this counters the claim of 'free will'. If you were brought here with two choices to either worship whichever god you devote your life to, or suffer for eternity, what is free will?
@@cheftr1 I'd more so argue perfection is incapable of creating imperfection
@@wyett123 unless they did it on purpose, but that's a whole new bag of worms.
@@denverarnold6210 😂 that just takes us back to why would a perfect being want to create anything
John when you won't answer a direct question you appear dishonest and weak. If the almighty creator of this universe is backing you up, you would think you might be a little braver.
We all knew the answer. They tell CHILDREN they're banned for hell. After the child watches the church forgive their abusers
Or watches their abusers be the ones giving other people forgiveness.
The Bible is like a car wreck. That's all I got out of John's babble.
Perfect example
." Religion makes otherwise normal people do and say wicked and disgusting things,"
Thankfully we no longer live in a world where you can get murdered for not believing in a god. Unless you live in a fanatical muslim country of course.
"Good people do good things. Bad people do bad things. For a good person to do bad things...that takes religion".
THere's no point in even talking to people this deeply messed up
Yes, it's what brainwashing creates!
So deeply messed up that it's up their a** and around the corner. 😆
Agree. But it can be funny if you ignore the tragedy though.
John is right, the bible is definitely smarter than him.
Funny
A brick is smarten than John.
Tadpoles are smarter than John.
The issue with hell is that there is literally no possible way to deserve to go there forever. Some people may deserve punishment, but eternal torture is the ultimate unfairness no matter what you've done. Even people like Hitler and Genghis Kahn don't deserve *eternal suffering.* Imagine being tortured so long you could watch the entire life cycle of the universe birthing and being destroyed by the hands of time trillions of times and still not being any closer to salvation than when you started. Why not just obliterate the souls of the damned? That would be more reasonable than the concept of hell is.
@@ookeekthelibrarian What? I dont understand.
@@michaelburgess6004 its British slang and an insult
There's a school of thought that after enough time had passed, the tortures of hell would become "meh" once the mind has snapped. A person could retreat into that mind, and live there, maybe playing back their past life, or imagining a new one. Someone in heaven wouldn't have this option, they'd spend every minute of every day and night, waiting on god, as prophesied in Rev.
Of course, all of this is just a load of dingoes kidneys anyway.
@@TBomb39 "A load of dingo's kidneys." That's probably the most Australian thing I've ever heard lmao
@@michaelburgess6004 I borrowed from Douglas Adams, who may have borrowed from Aussie slang. I'm a big fan of both 😀
So you have four different perspectives from four different writers, who weren't even there, writing about hearsay that definitely does contradict each other, which introduces so much confusion. How could an infallible, perfect god allow that to happen? If you wanted people to know you, wouldn't you want your message to be perfectly clear with no room for confusion? So why allow four different authors tell four different versions of the same story with contradictory things happening? Make it make sense!
If sin, as I have been told, breaks the laws of the gods, then as an atheist I cannot break them.
Atheists cannot be sinners, sinners are people who believe in that particular god and the laws they believe in.
These "laws" only apply to those who live in the country/religion/god governed by these laws.
This person is lost to the bs he has been told to think. These people are delusional.
John starts with the threat of hell, and finishes with the threat of hell, having been shown to be wrong on all issues he raised. The tap dance didn't work John. No wonder Christianity is losing adherents !
No one ever mentions the victims. Jeffrey gets to go to heaven, what about his victims , what did they get?
Where did the sinners go before the church invented hell?
If I’m not wrong, we all went to candyland, and that is where the holy boardgame came from.
Sheol
Before Christianity or the Hebrew religion Hell was the place that everyone went to after dying, heaven was reserved exclusively for the gods alone. It wasn't until Zoroastrianism came on the scene that ordinary people were then allowed to go to heaven and Hell was reserved for the evil people. So Judaism, Christianity and Islam have all been influenced by the earlier monotheistic religion of Zoroastrianism whether they like it or not.
This is really sad. He's heard some apologists spout their nonsense. He tried to stick to a script and very reluctantly answered direct questions. He has so many christian thought stoppers going around his head. It's really sad. I hope that he finds his way out.
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@@makeamericagreatagainwithtrump lmao please be a poe
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature you have non-magical chemicals, regardless.
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature Hello, fellow primate.
@@makeamericagreatagainwithtrump Bad week for Orange Cheesus.
Gish Galloping at its finest.
He’s in a blind panic to not answer a simple question and just wants to repeat his script he knows is nonsense.
Do not be so harsh - he does not know that this is nonsense. In his bubble that alll makes total sense, and after this onslaught of reality he will flee back into his bubble and forget all this.
These people have been conditioned to not perceive certain things. When you have this strategy to set out your perception, you can live a happy and easy life in peace.
Just as people here in Germany learned not to perceive certain things, to not look in certain directions, where jewish shops were taken over by christians and jewish families moved away or disappeared suddenly.
Great effort was made by the regime to maintain normality, to keep people distracted. You could live a normal, harmless life, never seeing anything bad. They maintained that largely even throughout the war. Moves like "Die Feurzangenbowle"; "Münchhausen", "Große Freiheit Nr. 7" were produced far into the war, and are totally unpolitical, absolutely harmless, you can watch them with fun and do not need to have a bad conscience.
That is the application of the same principle as that what christianity does.
When John laughed around 2:23, I thought he was about to have a mental breakdown. 😂
@@feedingravens I understand 110%. Not to seem condescending but I was a devout Baptist who went to a far right evangelical baptist school. I was this guy for most of my teen years.
Then the pendulum swing a little to far in the other direction and had that prideful feeling of nonbelievers after I felt like I “escaped” something and everyone around me needed me to tell them that!
Now I’m completely comfortable saying I don’t know if there’s a deity/creator behind all this chaos. I say I don’t believe YET but this is the forum for it I think.
So yea, I shouldn’t be so harsh. Maybe it’s because I see some of myself in some of these guys!
However all that said, in order to have a productive, mature, honest conversation you need to contribute to it. He’s learning how but he’s got too many scripts to go through that revolve around his personal/emotional needs.
Which as you said is ingrained.
Created a whole universe but has1 a one track obsession with bronze age goat herds.
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature you have non-magical chemicals, regardless.
"Just answer the fucking question" ! Dave rocks.
I love how John tried to use the "I'm the one who called in - I get to ask the questions" gambit.
If I am not as smart as a book that says the Earth is flat and unmoving, the Sun goes around the Earth, the Sun and stars are not similar and the stars will fall to the earth someday, then I should burn forever.
The fact that John takes FOREVER to answer a simple yes/no question is really telling...
Believers and their empty threats.
Crazy how brainwashed they are.
John - CA is so satisfied w himself as an evangelical Christian. I really wonder what kind of skeletons are in his closet.
Addiction. He let that one slip. He's likely replaced a substance addiction with a religious addiction.
Skeletons in the closet? What use is that to a Christian?
@@themanifestmage Make them guilty and keep the tithe flowing.
I've never traveled to the west coast, but am I the only one that finds it strange to hear hardcore evangelicals out of California? Stereotypes are dumb, that's fair.
@@bswantner2 California is enormous, it's basically its own country. while the urban centers are typically progressive, there are large swathes of rural conservative areas.
John didn't suffer the ravages of intelligence.
This world is doomed unless we can grow up and stop believing in magical gods.
Hell can't be any worse than the place John's mind is in.
I'll risk it.
Frightened caller couldn't answer any simple questions. Poor guy.
Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge.
*_You've got to hand it to God... he's the world champion of playing HIDE AND SEEK!!!_*
Seems to be another alumni from the university of Dunning-Kruger.
It's a good thing they stopped him from going on with his "science". Now THAT would be Dunning-Kruger at its finest!🤣
the judges are all holding up "9"s for johns mental gymnastics performance
Hopefully one day religion will be banished and humanity can learn to live in peace and harmony as one on this planet.
There are non-theist religions. Cricket has a phrase for bad behaviour. "It's not cricket". Religion is a word that people associate with being Good. I object to cluttering it up with belief in a God.
No. We dont ban things we simply dont like. Thats what theists do
Christianity is so immoral. You can literally BE Jeffrey dahmer, a psychotic sadistic murderer, and then after all that, say a few meaningless words and go to heaven for ever. That’s what they believe and they’re ok with it. Or perhaps they’re not entirely ok with it, as this caller’s infuriating refusal to answer a simple question indicates.
Love how Kenneth deals with theists. Truth and humour. Always gets me smiling. 🍻✌️
Kenneths tactics - deflection and denial with the occasional straw man thrown in.
@@1414141x yep. Truth and humour woody.
This caller didn’t come to engage, he came to preach. He doesn’t care about facts or his poor logic, he only wanted to proselytize.
15:53 aww, john couldn't explain the contradictions in the book he claims to be "smarter" than the hosts.. so is now trying to run away by changing the subject
The fact religion can cause this much cognitive dissonance is asinine
atheism is the next stage of human evolution.
I admire your patience guys. These theists that call into the show are maddening on times
Never read the bible books as it never came up in any of my required studies.
Seems more a personal interest/hobby.
Don't beat yourself up too much about it, most of them haven't either...
@@khill8645 so true. Bc if they had, most of them wouldn't believe anymore.
The average Atheist knows more about the Bible than average theist
@@wyett123 That's often the main reason why we're atheists. Because we've actually read the 'wholly holey book(s) of nonsense'. I sometimes wonder how many believers have managed to do that even once.
John seems to believe he called in to show off his tap-dancing skills. He’s not that good at tao-dancing.🤤
Why should I fear a fictional dictator
The christian conquerors during the crusades and the conquest of Indigenous America murdered millions of people. The god in the name of which they kill was and is fake but the murders were real.
Not saying to have fear but to keep a good eye on the fictional god followers.
Hi John. The myths of old are just myths.
Give it up
Take your life back my friend
Stay Free 🇺🇦
Reality sucks
Get over it.
Get free
Stay Free
And note once did he give any evidence that the stories in the Bible are actually true, especially considering that Jesus has two mutually exclusive birth narratives.
Jesus came to wipe all sins. So we all saved, yeah. Wait, except for The MOST HORRIBLE SIN, sin that we do not control, the sin of unbelieve. Hmmm
I don't think John knows the definition of contradict.
It's so incredibly hard for theists to answer straight forward questions, there are like 1-2 of those in every live show. This is seriously sad.
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature you have non-magical chemicals, regardless.
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature "creature" lmao
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature Which one?
@@XEndlessSteelX "creature" is a stupid dog whistle that Darth Dawkins sycophants use. This guy keeps changing accounts and spamming because he's too afraid to go crying back to Daddy and say that he failed.
@@asagoldsmith3328 Ah I see now. That explains a lot.
Lol, wow, when you trapped them with a yes or no they squirm like snails on a hot stone covered in salt.
I couldn't even get through the whole video, John just wants a pulpit to preach and throw bibbles at people.
And why should we believe your random mutations in that atheist skull, and not an elephant seal's?
"what could you have done?" You were born. Because Adam sinned, anyone born deserves to be punished unless they say a few magic words. And if you are a complete sadist and say the magic words you are in too.
Lets do a deep dive into John’s family tree, and if any of his ancestors committed a crime John needs to be arrested immediately.
It amazes me to think that Christians believe that a baby, straight out of the womb, covered in blood and slime, knows nothing, doesn't know right from left, doesn't know right from wrong, and is basically a blank slate, is doomed to hell right from the beginning unless someone intervenes to indoctrinate him and gets him to achieve salvation.
I really love this show ahahahaha.. just answer the question believer
The "Christians" have a difficult time answering a direct question.
Lol 'dancin' with Jesus in Heaven.' classic one, Dave. 💙
If you have to bend over backwards so far that your spine snaps, to justify inconsistencies; then your book probably isn't inerrant
i was told santa brings presents in december.....so it must be true
At least we know people get presents in December
That's a whole lot more evidence for Santa
…..allow me to play on line psychologist. Your caller has a problem with on line porn and is very guilty about it. He left multiple clues in the conversation.
John should ask himself a lot of questions. First I wonder if John ever read the bible. He's just listened to others. Like many, he hasn't a clue how the thing even came together! 🌊💙💙💙🌊🥰✌
I love how they quote preachers and bible passages as proof because they assume everyone they talk to accepts it as absolute truth.
This guy and all of the other christians lack of knowledge about their own religion and their holy book made me an Atheist when I was very young
If there is a “heaven”, then do these giddily hostile sadists *truly* believe they’re gonna go there?
Have fun hanging with Dahmer, dude… 🔥
(…and, again, the hosts need to start going *Dillahunty* on a lotta these callers. The angry, delusional, nonsensical rambling is going on for waAAaaay too long as of late. It’s exhausting and unproductive).
It’s nice to see the usual “believers” have given up on trying to provide any reason to believe in their specific gods.
Shows that their own faith is starting to crumble. All they seem to have left is the anger they were trained to have.
Looks like reality is sinking in with them after all
He does not even know that he has no proof. He was told that he has the proof, and therefore he has it. Just as the Bible reveals the laws of logic that were created by God, reveals the rules of morality dictated by God, reveals the meaning of life.
All that is claimed that it is in the Bible and from God, so the believers are logical, moral and their life has meaning. The persuasion that they have all this is what makes them happy. No need to know anything about that.
99% of people who ever existed fail to meet the biblical standard to avoid hell, including this caller but they are deluding themselves out of fear AND never even consider whether the entire concept is rational or supported by sufficient evidence to warrant belief.
I love talking about the resurrection because it's not just that there are 4 contradictory stories, but the Greek Testament doesn't tell us anyone actually witnessed the rising. All they have is the claim that the tomb was empty, so they need to accept that he was risen on faith, not witnesses (even though Jesus said the "wicked and adulterous generation" would be given this sign).
He can't answer the question because the answer conflicts with his personal morals and if he sticks with it, he is afraid he will be damned for eternity in the after-life, if there is even one.
*I've engaged in no activity ["sin"] that would warrant more than a two day stint in jail. Certainly not an eternity roasting in hell. Just another glaring example of how the god of the Bible is a sadistic ogre.*
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According to my theology, John can't answer a simple question
Being stuck in the same afterlife as John - CA for eternity sounds like hell to me.
People who are praying will also claim that god has a plan and are allknowing, so praying is disrespecting their gods plan and ignoring that he already knows the thing they are praying for. And even when they claim that god has a plan they will still say that they have free will.
Poor John sounds simple.
When christians talk to me about the bible, i tell them "If I came to you and told you the way to paradise after death is the Easter Bunny. He brings warm fuzzy chocolate goodness forever, you just believe in the bunny and everything will work out". I then ask them what they think about what I said and after a couple of evasions they will admit it's silly. Then I tell them that when they talk to be about a god, it's the same as the Easter bunny story to me, and no matter what they try to pile onto that, it's just more Easter bunny nonsense.
If the Christian god tortured himself and then killed himself to pay a ransom to himself to forgive his followers 'sins', why is there still a debt owed and why are Christians still sinners, once your debt is paid you are no longer a debtor.
Because Jesus retracts his guarantor signature if you don't love him 😔
That's the beauty of it. You can sin all you want, and just ask for forgiveness. In fact, there's a passage in the bible that makes it clear that heaven rejoices when this happens, and values this *more* than a good person that doesn't sin. Presumably, so Jesus' lost weekend wasn't for nothing.
Took a bit of time but John did eventually answer the question.
8 whole minutes to answer a single yes or no question. Incredible
It was very hard for him to admit it. All those 8 minutes, he was trying to prime Dave and Ken for his despicable "yes" answer.
It sounds like John is describing a tyrant. Worship me or burn.
John is what we of normal brain activity calls a lost cause. There is no helping him, he's too far gone.