James-OH | Biblical Prophecies Are Physical Proof Of God | Atheist Experience 26.46
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- The Atheist Experience 26.46 for November 13, 2022 with Forrest Valkai and Jim Barrows
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I love when James scoffs at the idea that vampires are real but talks about Noah's flood and gods as if they're common sense.
Vampires in the flood story would be awesome.
Remarkable isn't it ? Dracula has quite the following. Enormous fan base. Some people would kill to die for him ! Or, die to kill for him !
Captain Vlad.
It is baffling how magical thinking is still so prolific. Indoctrination, delusion, ignorance, wishful thinking and gullibility are powerful things indeed
Vampires are real, there are several animals that suck blood.
This caller is what happens when someone has more confidence than intelligence.
Well, I honestly don't think that lack of intelligence is the issue. It is propagandized fear.
@@mnguardianfan7128I’m gonna go out on a limb (like a monkey) and say this particular case is lack of intelligence…
@@mnguardianfan7128 the man litterally argued "they will worship false idles" being a convincing prophecy. The man has the intelligence of a potato.
@@gamergodofjustice I honestly think that if you jump to demeaning/belittling others, you are likely to miss the reality. The world isn't binary (100% good v 100% bad), it is shades of gray.
@@mnguardianfan7128 the "reality" is they said something that is so unintelligent a potato would make a better argument. This man said something that has been happening for thousands of years and even longer than the bible was written proves the prophecy and there for proves the bible. Like they said its the equivalent of saying "someone will eat a sandwich" then thinking you have prophetic powers.
As an ex-fundamentalist, YEC believer, science denying, homophobic Christian, thank you Atheist Experience for teaching how to apply logic and reason to all the crap I was taught.
FUTURE EDIT - Thank you all for the support, a bit overwhelmed by the encouraging comments and personal stories.
As someone brought up in a completely secular way, with no view pushed on me at all, I’m grateful for that, but also recognise how hard it must be for someone who’s had religion forced on them to break away from it, so nice one. 👍
@@vooveks Thank you. There certainly was a huge existential dread of Hell, even after leaving. That which is drilled into you from childhood about eternal torture doesn't leave easy, and the family are still devout so no knowing how it'll go when they find out.
@@dwilcox3309 I wish you well - remember not to feel bad about discovering logic and reason, and those things then eroding your previous beliefs. They are the default ways to approach understanding the world, despite what anyone might say.
D, I'm really curious; how did you justify all the science that goes against YEC? Did you intentionally not look at it, or was there some rationalization?
Sorry for the dread forced on you, I hope it has been getting better.
@@devb9912 No problem, I was sent to a YEC school. Evolution, cosmology, and the like were hotly refuted. I had no exposure other than to be told 'the Evolutionist has no evidence and denies the truth of the Bible.' I remember they even stated 'you cannot believe in evolution and call yourself a Christian.' I had nothing to reconcile until adulthood.
"Were you there, when the crusades happened?"
"Yes."
"No you weren't!"
"How do you know? Were you there?"
“No, I wasn’t. And since I’m talking to you (and since there’s no quantifiable proof that humans can live that long) then it’s reasonable to assume that neither were you.”
@@ApostateSublime Oh how quickly you come to understand how unbelievable and improbable claims can be dismissed with even passing knowledge of science, and all despite having supposed witness testimony.
@@ApostateSublimeif there’s an all powerful god, you can’t make any assumption. Everything is possible.
@@ApostateSublime But I WAS there. I'm a Buddhist, you see, now on my 4th reincarnation. Let me guess..... you think that's total BS, don't you.
@@jeffbeck8993😂😂😂😂😂
Forrest explains this stuff without any animosity - he's not threatened by being challenged. He explains complex stuff simply, honestly, with great delight.
Yes. Both of these two fellows are remarkable 👏
QuestionTime (Multiple Choice): If I put one million genetic mutations on a dog before it's birth, then what animal would it be after it's born (instant-evolution)?
A. A human.
B. Bacteria that evolves "only" into bacteria (even after millions and billions of generations).
C. A half monkey, half human hybrid (homo-erectus/ed).
D. A mutated dog with a million genetic mutations.
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 D. The evolutionary law of biodiversity and monophyly do not allow for any organism to evolve outside of its ancestry. You will always be all the things that your ancestors were. In short, dogs will always produce a subset of dogs.
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 You failed to list the likely options: E - Something else slightly different from a canine, depending on the actual mutations; F - a stillbirth given the likelyhood that it is unlikely that many mutations would result in a positive change; G - Proof that evolution is wrong since clearly this is the result of a mechanism other than what is identified in the Theory; and H - E, F, and G.
@@crikett23 Incorrect. 😇
Before you judge James too harshly, just remember that 7% of americans think chocolate milk comes from brown cows.
7% FFS. No wonder there are so many religious nuts. Education has been white-anted away.
These cows are very small, those cows are far away. 😂😂
And that 30% are creationists
And 3% believe life came from a mud puddle out of the oblivion. An atheist must save a fortune on cars, pulling them from the primordial soup fully made. Ford stocks just dropped.
@@dawkinrich2051 I didn't know you could get that high on misinformation alone. Well done sir.
@@dawkinrich2051 no. The amounts of Tolkien followers who believe that they are orcs is way less than 3%. The people who cant tell fiction from reality fall for the bible first before they ever read Tolkiens work.
No idea why you think atheists would be on the same level as bible followers
Forrest is a great addition to the AE. He brings the enthusiasm and logic from his debunking channel to this show. I hope he becomes a regular
I think we're already past him being a regular.
He is awesome
QuestionTime (Multiple Choice): If I put one million genetic mutations on a dog before it's birth, then what animal would it be after it's born (instant-evolution)?
A. A human.
B. Bacteria that evolves "only" into bacteria (even after millions and billions of generations).
C. A half monkey, half human hybrid (homo-erectus/ed).
D. A mutated dog with a million genetic mutations.
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 Choice E. Something else because you putting one million genetic mutations on a dog is closer to animal abuse than science.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is, than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan
QuestionTime (Multiple Choice): If I put one million genetic mutations on a dog before it's birth, then what animal would it be after it's born (instant-evolution)?
A. A human.
B. Bacteria that evolves "only" into bacteria (even after millions and billions of generations).
C. A half monkey, half human hybrid (homo-erectus/ed).
D. A mutated dog with a million genetic mutations.
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 this not a "gotcha". It's stupid. GFY
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 If you are trying to say, "therefore evolution doesn't work" then I don't think you understand evolution.
@@Boomdude67 Incorrect. 😇
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 Can you clarify
I could listen to Forrest talk about evolution all day. So educated and articulate.
Forrest is carrying you to Hell in a bucket
😂😂
When you can prove hell exists, I might worry
@@roblane66 It's not my problem that you don't believe in Hell , it's yours
@@jwsanders1214 I don’t have any problem with not believing
"You're meeting the requirement of your environment." Saving that one.
QuestionTime (Multiple Choice): If I put one million genetic mutations on a dog before it's birth, then what animal would it be after it's born (instant-evolution)?
A. A human.
B. Bacteria that evolves "only" into bacteria (even after millions and billions of generations).
C. A half monkey, half human hybrid (homo-erectus/ed).
D. A mutated dog with a million genetic mutations.
I miss Matt but Forrest is truly a golden asset. Jim is my absolute favorite and for him to give Forrest the floor speaks volumes to me. I appreciate his eloquent explanations and his tuition of evolution here is so clear and it makes me think of how awful our offshoot is and how we are creating our own demise. Christianity, as he says has affected our entire planet for the worse. Both of these men are gems.
Right at the very end of this call James asked wouldn’t you rather believe a comforting story than a uncomfortable truth.
It reminded me of what my old mum always used to say. She was fond of saying that
“it is better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie”. And I totally agree with her.
That's brilliant
" It is better to be slapped with the truth *and kissed with a lie* " Sorry, what?
@@pollypockets508
Thanks 👍
@@valivali8104 Thanks for pointing out my mistake, I’ll fix it now.
@@budd2nd thanks for fixing 🙂
Gotta respect him actually sitting and grasping what Forrest was explaining. This was a good convo.
Forrest has very quickly become one of my favorite people. I love listening to him explain things
The silence between answers was BRUTAL
Forrest's attempt to explain evolution that quick to someone who was not really opened to it is honestly beautiful. I have endless respect for it and I wish more people used their knowledge to do this kind of things even if it is to people who are not actually trying to learn. I am surprised about how much I learn even when I hear him talk about basic topics. I can't really explain how much he has helped me continue learning about a topic I wasn't really that interested in during my school years, and I am so grateful.
"If we evolved from monkies, why are there still monkies?"
Jim: HAHAHAHAHA
Classic
Forrest is such a great, gentle teacher. Love it
*I ABSOLUTELY LOVE JIM'S REACTIONS!*
20:20 Jim lets out an utterly exhausted sigh. The caller finishes his question & suddenly Jim is thrown for a loop & very quickly overtaken by uncontrollable laughter. Due to his reaction alone, I lost it along w/ him. 🤣
(I swear I just can't get enough of his genuine reactions to these callers.)
& man, Forrest was *FANTASTIC* here as well! He did such a great job tailoring his explanation of evolution to fit the caller's needs. Talk about meeting someone where they are! Not so easy for everyone to do & Forrest made it look so easy... as usual!
Forrest explains things so well. He's an awesome addition to this channel 👏
QuestionTime (Multiple Choice): If I put one million genetic mutations on a dog before it's birth, then what animal would it be after it's born (instant-evolution)?
A. A human.
B. Bacteria that evolves "only" into bacteria (even after millions and billions of generations).
C. A half monkey, half human hybrid (homo-erectus/ed).
D. A mutated dog with a million genetic mutations.
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 d, since dogs are already mutated mammals, any descendant of a dog will just a mutated dog in the same way they’re a mutated mammal, and a mutated eukaryote.
Religious people love themselves above all. "My god looks like me" "My god talks to me and takes an interest in my life even though I am one of billions of people on the planet and uncountable life forms across the cosmos". "I'm not a monkey. I'm special, I'm created." Theists worship themselves.
This guy, fresh from answers in Genesis hit all the low notes.
QuestionTime (Multiple Choice): If I put one million genetic mutations on a dog before it's birth, then what animal would it be after it's born (instant-evolution)?
A. A human.
B. Bacteria that evolves "only" into bacteria (even after millions and billions of generations).
C. A half monkey, half human hybrid (homo-erectus/ed).
D. A mutated dog with a million genetic mutations.
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 that's not how evolution works. Why don't you try to become at least a little educated about the topic before making comments that ultimately make you look mind-crushintly ignorant?
Pro-tip: religious apologetics sites aren't going to educate you. Try listening to the people who dedicate their lives to the study of evolutionary biology instead.
@@75greenfish62 How does evolution work then?... Please elaborate on the subject, instead of telling me what to do. 😇
@@75greenfish62 Also I learned evolution from atheist scientists, not religion or religious people as religion doesn't teach evolution... So what makes you think I'm not educated on the subject, you never explained why, only made assertions and assumptions with nothing to back it up. Please elaborate. 😇
@@75greenfish62 You don't know how evolution works, do you?... Whose really the ignorant one here?
Forrest is so educated. I am so impressed.
That's what you get when you research instead of listening to others.
Matt is the GOAT but Forrest is my fave for sure!
@@CorrectionUnknown 𝕋𝕙𝕚𝕤 𝕚𝕤 𝕥𝕣𝕦𝕖.😃😀
He is also such an amazing communicator 😍
@@karinland8533 Agreed.
@@CorrectionUnknown I love MD but FV is a better conversationalist with the goobers because of his patience. Matt would’ve got ridden of this caller ten minutes in.
Thank you Forrest and Jim. Every day is a school day, and this was a good day!!! Love from Ireland…
"OK. yeah. but...."
over and over and over. never acknowledging the previous point.
I would be disappointed if it wasn't so common with these callers.
The number of times the goal posts were moved, that field would look like a gopher's home.
My response to their opening argument, I'd have asked, does the existence of troy prove that the Greek gods exist?
" I'd have asked, does the existence of troy prove that the Greek gods exist?"
Also, the Oracle at Delphi has been located as well...
I'm pretty sure Mt.Olympus exists. My wife (Vodun witch) has seven cats - looking good for Bastet.
Where I live, everyone hunts and we have winter. All hail Skadi.
@@twcnz3570 "everyone hunts and we have winter."
Here in Canada we are having winter too... some of my friends hunt...
QuestionTime (Multiple Choice): If I put one million genetic mutations on a dog before it's birth, then what animal would it be after it's born (instant-evolution)?
A. A human.
B. Bacteria that evolves "only" into bacteria (even after millions and billions of generations).
C. A half monkey, half human hybrid (homo-erectus/ed).
D. A mutated dog with a million genetic mutations.
Wow....Jim and Forrest!! What a Show!! You Both are so good at what or rather How you Answer these people! Thanks Guys!! 🎉👋
Caller: "How do you know that's true and it happened? Were you there? WERE YOU THERE?"
I'm not sure that's a line of logic you wanna go down, bud. 😅
How can the caller say that vampires aren't real??? I think it's disgusting how some people can't respect people's faith... in vampires 🧛♂️.
@@ericp1367 How DARE you. Only vampires exist. People who believe in werewolves, frankensteins, mummies, etc are deluded! They have NO evidence that those things exist!
@Eric P I smell a werewolf and I can do that because I myself am a werewolf
I was chased last night through a car park by zombies. It was terrifying.
@@josiahvonb3426 If you worship vampires due to the "Twilight saga", then you have to bear the blame the persection yourself 🤣
He's a vampire atheist!
James is actually very willing to learn new things compared to other callers. I have hope he can overcome those religious shackles. He is very intellectual and hopefully he will put his skills to some things productive. Wishing you the best James
We must've been watching two separate episodes. James wasn't willing to listen to anything, merely waiting for his turn to talk most of the time. Constant follow up questions that had zero to do with word one of their answers. He was neither skilled nor intellectual. The only time he came across as honest was when he flat out said he'd rather be conforted than know what was true. He'd rather continue with his god approved bigotry than finding out what's true and treating all people humanely. No idea what you were watching, but it didn't appear to be this particular clip.
45 seconds in... please bring up New York City and Spiderman... please bring up New York City and Spiderman!...
1:33 YES! YES! YES! HE BROUGHT UP SPIDERMAN!!! 🤩🤩🤩
That syncopated 'no' at 36:51 was beautiful lmao
Outstanding effort gentlemen. Genuinely one of the best responses to call ever. Forrest a ability to keep up with a irrational crazy constant shifting the goalposts yet and calmly get back to summarise what we actually know to be true, combined with pointing out the caller own inconsistencies and hypocrisy- brilliant!!
QuestionTime (Multiple Choice): If I put one million genetic mutations on a dog before it's birth, then what animal would it be after it's born (instant-evolution)?
A. A human.
B. Bacteria that evolves "only" into bacteria (even after millions and billions of generations).
C. A half monkey, half human hybrid (homo-erectus/ed).
D. A mutated dog with a million genetic mutations.
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 answer: you missed E); likely some sort of moron of an internet troll, who so ignorant about basic scientific facts they don’t realise how stupid their question is...
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 Choice E. Something else because you putting one million genetic mutations on a dog is closer to animal abuse than science.
*Biblical prophecy! My favourite! A quiz for Christians:* 👇
1. Did Nebuchadnezzar II breach the walls of Tyre? Ezekiel 26:1-21
1a. Was Tyre destroyed for all time?
2. Is Egypt a barren wasteland? Ezekiel 29:1-15, Joel 3:19
3. Did Nebuchadnezzar II conquer Egypt? Jeremiah 43:9-13, Jeremiah 46:13-25, Ezekiel 29:16-21
4. Did Egyptians ever speak Canaaite? Isaiah 19:18
5. Did the line of David endure forever? Samuel 7:13-16, 1 Kings 11:34-36
6. Did Jesus return BEFORE all the people who heard him speak (face to face) died? Matthew 16:27-28
7. Did Jesus return BEFORE a single generation passed? Luke 21:25-32, Mark 13:24-31, Matthew 24:29-34
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature Einstein realized that people have imaginary god creature regardless sweetheart that they build based on their personal limitations.
He said:
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own - a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty."
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature except you leave out the context and further that he considered people like you to be morons!
@@youhaveaGodregardlesscreature projection
@@ookeekthelibrarian I too worship Anoia and so all my cutlery is in perfect order.
WARNING!!!! Where will you go when you die, Heaven or Hell??? We can not hide our sins from God... Jesus loves you and He died for our sins. If we will repent of our sins and put our faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, we will be saved. Mark 1:15 Repent and believe in the gospel.
Dude quickly went from arguing the thing we evolved from should no longer exist, to arguing it should. He gave away his lack of really listening or caring about facts.
The whole 1 thing true means the book is true, I've a similar analogy:
If I know a dwarf named Doc, does that mean Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs is a true story? No. If I know dwarfs named Doc and Happy, does that mean the story is true? Keep going.
There are so many parts required to make this story true without even bringing up the Magic Mirror, yet so many people of faith jump to true on less.
"I hear you, I understand, BUT..."
"I'm not listening, and I refuse to believe the evidence"
As James gets sistematically cornered he comes with more and more "evidences" for his deity existing, reminding me of what a fish does when it finds itself out of the water. Poor sod!
This has to be the most open and telling ending to any call i have ever seen or heard. The concious decision to believe something wrong out of fear and personal comfort. The narcicism like if I die there has to wait a special thing or place for me me me.
Great that you two got that out of him, well done.
Hast?
@@CorrectionUnknown (no spellcheck)
QuestionTime (Multiple Choice): If I put one million genetic mutations on a dog before it's birth, then what animal would it be after it's born (instant-evolution)?
A. A human.
B. Bacteria that evolves "only" into bacteria (even after millions and billions of generations).
C. A half monkey, half human hybrid (homo-erectus/ed).
D. A mutated dog with a million genetic mutations.
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 is the question for me?
@@Cornyyn Incorrect. 😇
The “Wouldn’t you?”, and then saying “No” at the same time was perfect 36:48
*“wERe yOu tHerE¿”* This is one of the dumbest, most dishonest attempt at deflection and a complete non-answer.
One of the reason why someone is a theist: They don't understand basic science and because they don't understand it think that it is wrong. It's so sad but also reality
When religious people use the "were you there" argument - you know you have bested them.
Interestingly only apologists are allowed to use this argument, don't try to use this argument against them.
Yet when they make wild claims about creation and an executed Jewish criminal reanimating from the dead, and you ask the exact same question "were you there", suddenly a double standard applies.
As an atheist, I still massively respect James for being able to have a respectful conversation with two people who were challenging his beliefs. I also love that he genuinely seemed interested in hearing what these two had to say, even if he knew he wasn’t going to believe it.
Man I love this. Forrest and Jim are so fun.
This guy when he thinks we came from monkeys: "If we came from monkeys, why are monkeys still around?"
This guy after having evolutionary theory explained to him: "Ok, but if we came from a common ancestor, why ISN'T that ancestor species still around?"
This was an excellent call. I learnt a lot
This is by far one of the best episodes. Forrest, you're my new favourite. Competent, kind, funny explanations. A pleasure to listen to and watch.
Your explanation of evolution at 22:13 is one of the most succinct ones that I've ever heard. And your description of the Big Bang at 28:15 is highly appreciated, coming from someone with multiple degrees in physics. 😊
I laughed out loud repeatedly during this call. It's really The Christian Comedy Experience.
🤣👍
Or the known facts and demolishing ignorance learning experience.
Should be called “the ridiculous sht that people believe”
@@bernieflanders8822 aka “the Bible”
@@brianfergus839 yes😂
Seriously? The "were you there argument" works both ways. No one alive today was around to witness Jesus. By this guy's logic he just proved Jesus isn't real. If he claims otherwise, just ask him, "Were you there?"
Cue the "but the Bible's testimony yada yada yada" as though we haven't found numerous things from ACTUAL history that shows its errors, and therefore untrustworthyness.
Forrest rocks - such a good explanation about how evolution works!
QuestionTime (Multiple Choice): If I put one million genetic mutations on a dog before it's birth, then what animal would it be after it's born (instant-evolution)?
A. A human.
B. Bacteria that evolves "only" into bacteria (even after millions and billions of generations).
C. A half monkey, half human hybrid (homo-erectus/ed).
D. A mutated dog with a million genetic mutations.
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509I I think it is obvious you understand nothing about the mechanics of evolution. I am not going to waste my time explaining evolution to someone as ignorant with respect to science as you. Go watch the Forrest's explanation again. I'm pretty sure you won't because you want to stay ignorant and would rather believe in magic!
"
Especially when that author has sold 200 million books lol. 200 million people can’t be wrong! Lol
I think the most impressive thing about this call is that Forrest actually seemed to get through to this guy on the topic of evolution! You can tell at first that he was total indoctrinated against the idea and ready to dismiss it aggressively. But Forrest is such an effective communicator that the caller seemed to be actually listening and considering it, at least! Maybe he didn't completely change his mind, but hopefully a seed of knowledge was planted that could lead to him asking further questions and trying to learn about real science and history! If anything like that happens, then this was a worthwhile conversation!
"I have a really good question for you"
I knew it wasn't going to be good, but damn, I wasn't ready 😂
I love that when a city is named Hogwarts, and or archaeologists find Disney world Hogwarts that would then be evidence that Harry Potter was real
I love Forest explaining to the sky. He’s being very nice. He wants to be this guy’s friend. He wants this person to learn something he’s not interested in insulting him at all. What a great guy maybe this call actually learned something that’s the important part.
Forrest is a superb addition to the line up, never leave my dude 💙 x
This is by far the best most productive clip I’ve ever seen of this show. Awesome fucking job
Forrest's explanation of evolution was absolutely poetic
It is as if, at the beginning of this clip, James had called into another dimension that he had never heard of; the Secular World.
36:30 I'd love to see a transcript of caller's thoughts when he realized he couldn't give an honest answer, and had to think for ages for a way to avoid answering.
I'd like to think he learned something from the call, but I think he was too smug for any real introspection.
Intellectual dishonesty is the cornerstone of a good religious belief.
that guy was actually open to listen, at the end he might have been very thoughtful and that is such a good advance
I love how patient Forrest is!
These two are a great team. Very impressive!!
Amazing work from Forrest. Seriously, taking the time to explain all that to someone so lacking in critical thinking capacity, insight and any understanding of what a stupid argument looks like is incredible.
I want to feel bad for James, but damnit he makes it far too easy to falsify his claims 🤣
He is like scraping on the bottom of the barrel. All the most shitty arguments for god here...
I really missed the "look at the treed" argument
What i found particularly annoying about him was that he never conceded a point, he always deflected to a new one.
@@grantm6514 Woo-peddling 101. Do not answer, change to the next subject.
QuestionTime (Multiple Choice): If I put one million genetic mutations on a dog before it's birth, then what animal would it be after it's born (instant-evolution)?
A. A human.
B. Bacteria that evolves "only" into bacteria (even after millions and billions of generations).
C. A half monkey, half human hybrid (homo-erectus/ed).
D. A mutated dog with a million genetic mutations.
@@ultrainstinctgoku2509 Did your Pastor tell you that Evolution is one animal changing into another?
Because if so, then you've been lied to.
Evolution doesn't happen to individuals it happens to species.
meeting the requirement of your environment would be an awesome tshirt.
It's funny and sad at the same time that people like him make special excuses for the holy book they are raised to believe in.
“Well sodom and gamora found a magic thing in the real place”
“Ait well spiderman found the symbiote in New York which couldn’t be made by man”
I always learn more when I listen to Forrest. His students are so lucky.
Forrest, your calm, simple explanation of the basic mechanisms of evolution and population biology was just a joy to behold. I think you might actually have taught this caller some things they did not know, assuming their metaphorical fingers weren't in their ears.
Love that Jim referenced "the walking drum." Such a great book.
You guys 100% without ZERO DOUBT, gave that man TONS to think about that he NEVER considered or thought about before. Which could and with all hope will start the unraveling of his faith. Brilliant call, guys. Much love from Indiana my bro's.
Wow, fascinating summary of evolution and big bang. I really enjoyed listening to this.
Troy was discovered in 1871, so that means the entire acient greek pantheon is real, because Troy and those gods were both mentioned in the Illiad, which is older than the bible. Check mate, christians 😅
The Oracle of Delphi was also discovered.. reinforcing, even more, that the Greek gods are real...
@@t800fantasm2 Not just Greek gods, I'm pretty sure Odin, Thor, Loki, etc are real as well. There are movies of them. If they were not real, how could there be movies???
The caller unironically asked "If we came from monkeys then why are there still monkeys" with no sarcasm 💀He has to be somewhat aware about the fact that this very question is the most overused, dumbest, memeable question ever lol.
Forrest was very patient and James was remarkably respectful. Bravo to James for hearing him out.
Forrest is such an awesome communicator, teaching is your niche mate, Jim as well. G'day from Australia 🇦🇺.
@@ookeekthelibrarian Always good to see your handsome face! And just before bed. 😜
And another Aussie here.
Nth Queenslander Aussie here too!
Gidday you lot..
Victorian
In Kirwan as we speak mate!
As someone with an Anthro background, I always think of my bio anth prof using the giraffe as an example. Giraffes didn't just spontaneously grow longer necks, it was the ones that had slightly longer ones and bred, and on and on, so they eventually led them to reach the higher vegetation. Also using the flu virus (or any one even drug resistant bacteria) where we can see evolution in real time.
This took such an interesting turn when Forrest started educating the caller on evolution, much in the same way that a father would explain to his son how the world works. I'm amazed by the sheer amount of detail and passion he used to go about elaborating all of it.
I guess that's really what it comes down to when debating fundamentalist Christians: A discussion between educated, curious and rational adults who have made up their own minds about the world on the one hand and immature, scared and confused children on the other hand that keep shouting "But it's more fun to believe the tooth fairy is real!!!" - condescending as it may sound, but that's unfortunately my honest impression.
Well done to James for actually listening to the explanations by Forrest and Jim. 👍
I like the way you try to educate where many try to humiliate.
I'm impressed by James and his ability to listen and comprehend. It feels like he was actually learning and thinking about what they were saying and I really hope he calls back in to hear more. It feels like he was so close to understanding evolution and biology but still restrained by his hardline ideas of Christianity.
"Are you f***ing with me or is that a serious question" 🤣🤣🤣
There is a lot of people that have never heard of that person, because its fake. Moore people today have heard of Spider man than the entire population of the Earth in 1956, they sold more tickets than the entire global population in 1956, so by this logic, Spider man is real.
Well, spiders are real, men are (still) real, so there you go!!!
Well of course Spider Man is real archeologists have even discovered a place called New York and 20 Ingram St, Flushing. With spider silk in plain sight.
Wait until he finds out it was 6 pairs of every clean animal and 2 of unclean. Not just two each….
You’re going to need a bigger boat
I cannot believe Forrest's patience.
It’s honestly impressive
New drinking game: gotta take a shot every time Forrest says big ass boat.
Damn good stuff! Thank you, Sir Jim and Sir Forrest. I enjoyed that.
“Why are there still monkeys?” is always absolutely hysterical to me too. Not only is that DEEPLY flawed understanding of evolutionary mechanics, but also…do they think evolution causes every single specimen of a species to mutate exactly the same way simultaneously?
If only I had a biology teacher like Forrest, then I would've studied it past GCSE 😂
Forrest.... you are amazing.
The way you handled this at the end and disarmed him to genuinely help him understand things..... that's probably the kindest thing anyone has ever done for him.
His whole rant at the end there was brilliant, so much info explained and laid out beautifully for the guy to understand. I think it did make sense to the caller and it scared him a bit (as an ex-Christian, I can tell you it is a scary feeling the moment the truth is presented to you and you realize you’ve been wrong/duped)
All that to say, he handled that wonderfully!
Forrest did show here how much of a teacher he is. He showed patience, empathy and passion. The world needs hundreds of thousands of teachers like Forrest.
James getting quiet and not trying to bulldoze his point means he may have actually been listening and absorbing some of what was said.
Help him understand things? That guy didn't budge one single Planck length. Not because he doesn't understand things, but simply because he has no interest in logic, reason, and/or the truth. That poor fella is a poster-child for religious brainwashing.
I think we should also give some credit to James for actually paying attention to what Forrest said and trying to engage with it instead of just preaching or treating Forrest and Jim like cardboard cutouts for him to attack. I think more of us would get along with him than we might realize.
I was raised a fundamentalist Christian, homeschooled most of that time. I’m recently atheist, and learning about evolution is completely new for me. Thank you for explaining this.
Congratulations on breaking free! That's not easy to do, especially for someone whose life was as saturated with religion as yours must have been. P.S. Another great evolution explainer on TH-cam is Gutsick Gibbon. Cheers!
Try asking them sometime if there is actually any way to scientifically verify the Evolutionary model over the Creationist model sometime. There isn't a single example of actual empirical sense data verifying the former over the latter, yet they present it like it's a acientific position. It's objectively dishonest. It's comparable to teaching Creationism as if it's actually scientifically verified to be true.
You don't just teach philosophical positions like they're science, it's incredibly manipulative. Because most people falsely end up thinking it's actually KNOWN to be true scientifically, when it isn't.
The debate is beyond the limitations of what science can answer and can ONLY be answered within Philosophy / Religion.
All the scientific evidence presented to support the Evolutionary model can also be interpreted to support the Creationist model.
You might like the crash course or sci show TH-cam channels
If you were raised up to believe the truth, and then abandoned the truth because you believed lies by someone who rejects the truth (and has a bent to prove something that doesn’t matter in an atheistic worldview), it still doesn’t change reality. God is real, the Biblical narrative is overwhelming with history, archeology, eye witness testimony, abundant manuscripts sources, etc. check out the evidence.
These guys make up reasons to believe what they want to believe. They say vampires are real and Spider-Man is real. Are all you brain numb or can’t you see their faulty arguments?
Forrest is a rock star!!! He makes it so easy to understand complex concepts/ideas/facts. Love to watch his reactions to callers.
yeah, all of the hosts are great in their own ways. a lot of them are super intelligent, but not always able to meet the caller at their level and actually _communicate_ well
Forrest is amazing!!!
I'm sure it doesn't hurt that he is a science teacher, so teaching and explaining are commonplace to him. The fact he teaches evolutionary biology probably means he deals with this kind of question alot.
too nice sometimes
"Christianity did not become a major religion by the quality of its truths, but by the quantity of its violence". Michael Sherlock
While it is undeniable that Christianity, like many religions, has a complex and often troubled history, which includes instances of violence, it is a vast oversimplification to attribute its global spread and enduring influence solely to coercive means. Its teachings, adaptability to different cultures, the dedication of its followers, and its intellectual and ethical contributions to society have all played significant roles in its development as a world religion.
@@CynthiaVanclairthe world would have been a far better place without the Abrahamic religions. Which are all repressive, violent , misogynistic and regressive .
@@CynthiaVanclair that's true, mostly. two caveats. 1. christianity with it's highly localized stories had it's greatest successes in lands completely antithetic in climate, environment and ethnic make-up due to a. being forced on people and b. being stretched and modified until almost unrecognizable from it's root SPECIFICALLY to fit those extremely different surroundings and the people there, from the spin-doctor from tarsus to the effing board-meeting in nicea it was all just "how to use this as a tool for governance?". christianities *inherent* adaptability is quite low, actually. 2.apart from the point about adaptability, your points are true for every other religion as well. we can argue whether the many achievements of the so called golden age of islam are actually rooted in islamic scholasticity or just clever imports (spoiler: the latter), but there is no denying that they were relayed to us by islamic scholars. not to mention hindu, buddhist, confuzian, greek, persian, malian scholastics.
So, the point stands: christianities unique selling point is it's adaption by governments as a tool for governance and therefore, by extension, coercion and violence.
You can btw accept these facts and still cherish it, both as one of the bases of our western society and as beloved connection to your ancestors, as for example i myself do as well.
But lying to oneself should never be an option.
The first selling point of Christianity is that it grants a second chance. Do not worry if you are poor, or if you are suffering, you 'll be rewarded after death. That is both why lot of people were ready to die for their belive and why it spreads (relativly) quickly across western Asia and Europe. Another kye factor is the importance of piety and the duty of care for the others, which was important for poor/common people since the concept of welfare was born in the 20th century.
well....that is a great story. It's bullshit, but still a great story. @@emmaf.1425
26:19 I love that Forrest jumped into educator mode and began to genuinely explain the concepts in biology and anthropology that demonstrate evolution.
You can n to fix Stupid.
Forrest is awesome
But the guy had zero intellectual curiosity. He could actually have learned something
He can't explain that he is a sinner and he needs Jesus . He will be eternally lost if he chooses hell instead of Salvation
The problem was that we had no idea if James was understanding anything Forrest was saying or was even listening. That's the problem I have with Forrest's long explanations. This is fine for teaching in a classroom but Forrest needs regular back and forth confirmation and interaction when explaining something to an individual because they will just tune him out and ask an unrelated question once he stops talking. I've seen this happen over and over in his videos.
I"m in my 50s and I WISH I had a teacher like Forrest! The way he explains Evolution is so amazing and revolutionary! :)
yes its stunning.
I'm working as a teacher and I'm lucky if I'm half as good explaining my subject.
Yes!👍
Me too, I'm 42, so I'm probably older than forest, but IF THERE WAS A GOD! I would be younger, so I could have learned science from forest.
But since I'm not, I guess that proves god isnt real.
Its also frustrating that I am listen to this guy, who clearly isn't absorbing the material forest is presenting.
Look up James Tour origins on life for a great talk on evolution and how unlikely it is
"Were you there?" This brings to mind the phrase that "An idiot is someone who thinks anything beyond his realm of experience is impossible".
LOVE this!
I had to think this statement over, and i think it rings true because the qualifying word is "impossible" and had that word not been there it would be more along the lines of not having the experience to know different.
Example: i havent ever met someone with 3 arms so its not possible to have more than 2. Vs i havent ever met someone with 3 arms so i dont think there is anyone with 3 arms.
@@gamergodofjustice why 3 arms and not three breasts/nipples?
it’s my question.
I hear that all the time when they survive us on history and facts “were you there?” But who was actually there when the bible was written
Was anyone there when God made the world? Witness him form humans in his image? They always have the worst “evidence” to state God is real
"Were you there?" is always an argument out of desperation that is said without any thought. Becasue the same can be said about his argument. How can you belive in all the miracles that are depicted in the bible? Were you there? How do you know jesus ate that green mushroom for an extra life and popped out of the cave 3 days later where you there?
"Don't try to say we're like an animal."
"You don't think humans are animals?"
"No!"
"We move too much to be plants and we're too big to be bacteria. So, what are we?" 🤣
I think of all the great one-liners in this piece, this one's my favourite!
@@paulmadryga This isn't a one-liner though. A one-liner is a funny remark or a joke told in one sentence.
@@sarcastaball - I follow you on this, but it_is_ a one-liner to me, in that the rest of the exchange wasn't meant to be a setup for a punchline. Either way, it's still pretty funny.
@@paulmadryga Ah, got it. 😊 Just as god _is_ real to some of the people calling in on the show.
You know what we are? We are the worst and idiotic species of animals in Universe.