@@DaveKnowsWrestling Have you thought of What If Series in Wrestling? Like What If Magnum TA never had that car accident & beat Flair for the NWA title What if Chris Benoit never killed his family & wrestled at the PPV against CM Punk
@@lambert581 If you like that sort of series you should check out Pllana Productions. This is about a week late, so sorry for the comment, but he does a series like that and a few other videos on his channel so if you're into that check it out.
@@lambert581 I think Chris was at the end of his career by then anyway. His neck surgery kinda took a lot out of him. However, if he hadnt gone nutty, I'd like to think he'd be running NXT and be the head trainer, and Lance Storm. Half the wrestlers today would be all doing Canadian Strong Style.
Even though the UWF was short lived, it was a fun program. My first time seeing Sting and his tag team partner who would later be known as the Ultimate Warrior, the Blade Runners. UWF was the first place I saw Jim Ross. Good ole days
I called The Blade Runners The Junior Version of The Road Warriors back then. Sting was a lot more willing to learn new wrestling moves and work a match than Rock aka The Warrior was. Rock was content to do Power Moves and beat the crap out of you.
As I was raised in the south and watched wrestling a LOT back in the day (late 70s and in the 80s), I grew up with JCP. Crockett was great wrestling. I remember Magnum TA really well. He was a great wrestler who had the fans in the palm of his hand.
I live and grew up in Charlotte NC. As a kid I worked as part of the Ring crew traveling from city to city setting up and tearing down the ring, Helping with the interview set and during cage matches carrying out and assembling the Cage before the final match. Some great memories and funny times..... especially of the Road Warriors torturing us every chance they had
@@DaveKnowsWrestling he is I couldn't believe that when I found out because he definitely doesn't have a southern accent. I think he probably resents it because he hated Jim Ross's and others accents.
I'm born and raised in NC and I must say that. NWA had the best wrestling and promos.. Without NWA and WCW there wouldn't no 4 Horsemen and nWo period..
Vince had a terrible childhood and he’s lived and worked on the Northeast for decades. It doesn’t surprise me that he’d want to distance himself from his Southern roots. Also WWE was the big Northeast promotion under his father as well.
I went to see the tv tapings at the WRAL studios twice, before they had the tapings at big arenas. As noted here it was on Wednesday night. They taped 2 shows, Mid Atlantic, which would air at 11:30 on Saturday nights, and World Wide Wrestling, which was syndicated but was usually Saturday afternoons. Mid Atlantic was hosted by Bob Caudle and David Crockett and World Wide by Don Kernoodle and a variety of co-hosts. We saw Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Jay Youngblood, Gene and Ole Anderson, Greg Valentine, Ivan and Nikita Koloff and the very under-rated Dewey Robertson, who held the NWA Junior Heavyweight title for years, and mainly kept it in Canada. The great thing was the tickets for the tv tapings were free, you just had to send in a 3×5 postcard to reserve your space.
Unfortunately, Crockett (through his booker, Dusty Rhodes) had a tendency to simply bury the wrestlers in the territories he bought up during that era (Mid South/UWF, Central States, Florida). It seems like he bought up the territories with no actual plan for what to do with them once he made the acquisitions.
Thing is when Crockett bought the UWF it inherited it's television time slots giving JCP round the same station mark as Vince and it strengthened JCP's reach and exposure.
The problem was that they didn't need to as UWF was basically bankrupt. Crockett could have just let UWF die and pick at the dead corpse. Instead, he allowed himself to be played by BIll Watts. Watts was desperate to sell to avoid losing his shirt entirely. He first went to Vince with an offer to sell and Vince passed. So, he decided to use that to convince Crockett into buying by claiming that VInce was ready to buy. Crockett fell for Watts's ruse and ended up buying UWF himself, and as mentioned, all the debt. If he had simply let UWF die, he would have been able to get the TV and the talent without the debt.
This was fantastic. I've been recently listening to a wrestling podcast covering 1985-? in chronological order re: JCP. This piece was amazingly well researched. Thanks!
@@woady_one So good. I got to see all four of them compete at a house show in Pittsburgh in October of 86'(Andersons vs R-n-R/Tully vs Wahoo/Flair vs Dusty)To this day, it was the best time I've ever had at a live wrestling event. Better than Wrestlemania 24. I miss how invested crowds were in the 80s. If Ricky Morton got beat up, people cried. If Dusty pinned Flair(even though the decision was reversed moments later)the crowd reacted like their hometown team had just won the Superbowl.
Yes as a NY, wrestling fan I agree. One Saturday in the 80's, I was working with a friend on a school project. My friend had cable, I did not. "I am going to provoke you mind." He said. Huh? Was my response. He puts on tbs at 6:05 PM. Wow! The floodgates were opened. WWF was considered corny and cartoonish, sometimes. We also got worldwide, on ch 11, the WB, in the 80's Then worldwide on ch 2 cbs. For the pre NWO and the NWO WCW.
Once again Dave, great video! I grew up during the mid-80s Crockett era and was always a big fan (hence my profile pic) so i'll always have a soft spot for JCP. Honestly always preferred them over whatever WWF was doing. NWA was big in the Philly area where I grew up and even as a kid I preferred that southern style wrestling over Vince's "sports entertainment" cause it seemed more realistic and sports-based.
And that was the draw, WWF made their product for kids, while NWA addressed more adult audiences. The realistic presentation and sports based appearance of the show made it a more complex wrestling product
Really Enjoy the Show.I have followed Georgia Wrestling for over 55 years.And you have some good sources. I would to speak with you one of these days. You will find out I know a little bit too.Keep up the good work. Looking forward to new content soon
Dave Knows Wrestling do you watch his youtube channel at all or listen to his podcasts? He could still be one of the best promos in the business if the people in charge would stop actively hating wrestling fans.
Growing up in the in the time of JCP l have many memories of going to shows in Wilmington and Fayetteville NC. Watching people like Ivan Koloff, Dusty Rhodes, The Horseman, and many others. At the time l didn't realize how lucky l was but now l wouldn't trade it for anything
I remember being young and going to the Dorton Arena in Raleigh seeing Flair, Wahoo, Valentine, steamboat and so many ...also watching Mid-Atlantic wrestling on Saturday night
im from philly.... all the kids in school watched Jim Crockett Promotions over the WWF 85-88 was magic In an alternative reality, I would have had Piper return to JCP in 87 to fight the horseman. and maybe have valentine and steamboat return too. could have been a huge shot in the arm
@@DaveKnowsWrestling You know, it really does. But... you can't fault WWF for putting on better shows. Or at least better gimmick shows on those specific dates. If Crockett would have kept it a bit simpler and pushed certain guys a bit more across different territories, Rumble Survivor Series would be afterthoughts. Especially when JCP began airing Halloween Havocs and StarrCades live on TBS for free.
Wrong promotion won. When SCSA & The Rock left, who did WWE turn to for the most part (outside of the OVW big 4 & Taker/HBK)? Eddie, Rey jr, Jericho, Big Show, Benoit, Booker T, Regal, Fit Finlay (06), Helms, tried w/ Goldberg. WCW had the guys to carry them, along w/ Sting & Flair as ur tentpoles, & dropped the fukn ball.
This has a lot of good information but the timelines are all over the place as you go topic to topic...still have to appreciate the effort as you are well spoken.
John Ringley was Crocket Sr.'s son in law and would have stayed in charge of Crocket promotions had he not divorced Crocket Sr's daughter Frances. Frances ran the family minor league baseball team she a Johm were thought to be the most savy of that generation. After Wringley left Crocket, Jr took over.
Dave Knows Wrestling I live in a small town called Cheltenham, in an area called The Cotswolds. Look it up, worth a visit if you ever make it over. Thanks for the reply and content you are putting out 👍✌️
Good job on this. You were spot on with the history of JCP. There's a heck of a lot of revisionist history about JCP\WCW on youtube. So, it's nice to see a documentary that actually isn't biased.
one thing that is funny, you talked about how jcp did make full use of uwf stars, well a star for the uwf went on to be the biggest star for turner's wcw sting.
Brother, like I told ya last night on the Payback chat. You have to do a vid series on the Territory Days. In a way, this was a big chunk of the story. Some of my first wrestling memories was watching "Wildfire" Tommy Rich winning the title from Harley Race. I think that was Georgia Championship Wrestling? The weird thing is, I lived in Michigan, We got GCW, WWF, and I have vague memories of Big Time Wrestling from WKBD50 Detroit. I'm not sure which network carried GCW. It would have to have been TBS. It was a great time to be a kid and a wrestling fan.
I live in Wisconsin. The AWA was big in the midwest. Plus there was Bob Luce in Chicago. Not sure how big he was outside of Chicago. But the Brain, Hogan, Kurt Hennig, the Gagnes, Nick Bockwinkle, Ray Stevens and others were part of the AWA. Of course Henan, HennIng went on to WWE. I was a wrestling fan back then, not so much now.
You are right about them devaluing the UWF talent. Imagine what could have been if they had built to a match between Flair and UWF champion "Dr. Death" Steve Williams. Williams was one of the toughest workers around and was well on his way to really becoming a star. Unfortunately, Crockett decided to undercut his pay and he wound up leaving and the UWF title went by the wayside. Also, interesting to note is that Ted DiBiase was in negotiations with Crockett prior to making his WWF debut in 1987. One of the stories he told was that he was going to get a run with the NWA belt. However, he decided to sign with Vince and become the Million Dollar Man.
His return. Ted DiBiase wrestled for The WWWF in 1979 and won the original InterContinental Championship (then known as The North American Championship) in San Juan, Puerto Rico. Double ironies with that: Almost four years later DiBiase won The NWA UWF MidSouth version of The North American Championship. In New Orleans. Only a few short years ago Adam Cole won a Ladder Match and captured The NXT version. In New Orleans!🤔😉🎤🤼♂️B.W.
@@madbrowniac7871 I forgot Ted was in the WWF in the late 70's. In fact, before he left he put over Hulk Hogan, who had just arrived. BTW, small correction. Mid South was not an NWA member. It was pretty much an independent but still worked with the NWA. In fact, on a few occasions they would bring in Nick Bockwinkel to defend the AWA title.
That is absolutely correct about MidSouth. Houston Wrestling alone was an incredible Showcase for the Greats going back to The Twenties and they brought in AWA, NWA, and WWE (WWWF and WWF before) Champs on a consistent basis.🤔😉🎤🤴🐴🤼♂️B.W.
Dave knows he should open a promotion. You know so much about wrestling I believe you could do it like Defiant/WCPW but not have to shut down then I can try out to wrestle. Use my wrestling and Jiu-justu
Crockett Promotions Produced the Greatest Wrestling there ever was...The then WWF had the bigger budget,but in my mind,the "NWA had the better and more believable talent.
I wonder if Crockett would never have sold to Ted Turner if they would still exist today as an alternative to the WWE. Once I was able to get World Championship Wrestling on TBS and World Wide was syndicated to my area I liked that product better than the WWF at the time.
You're right. I skipped over him because unlike some of the presenters I did mention, he didn't have another connection to something else later on in the story that I was telling. And at that point in the video I was just name dropping over and over again. So I thought it got a little repetitive and decided to cut the only section I had on him. Plus I didn't see any really good pictures to use of him either.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling No pictures to use of him? at 5:59, you have Caudle interviewing the Andersons No mention of Jim Crockett Sr.'s passing in 1973 which is why John Ringley (Crockett's son-in-law) even got involved in the first place. No mention of the very first Starrcade in Greensboro (1983) or the HQ of JCP being moved from Charlotte to Dallas after the purchase of the UWF. If you're going to get your video past that magical 10 minute mark for monetization, you may as well tell the whole story. I mean, it's all good if you're actually not a wrestling fan and you just cobble these videos together with stuff you found on Wikipedia to make a little bit of income on 10+ minute videos. You'd have to change your username though.
I was big on Jim Crockett promotions and the NWA when I was growing up. I lived on it. The WWF wasn't the same at all. Too bad Jim Crockett JR shot himself in the foot with his bad decisions. It pained me as a growing teen to watch their slow downfall.
While I don't agree with some of his decisions myself, I will say that Hulkamania was just something that no one saw coming. It's so hard to counter something like that
Flair and Steamboat the Rock-N-Roll Express battles with the Midnight Express Arn and Tully Sting but Eric Bischoff never allowed any one to get over except Goldberg and allowing certain guys to have creative control over the characters spelled doom for wcw........
I was watching the first rumble wishing i was watching that bunkhouse stampede cage match battle royal instead. But, there was no way in hell my momma getting me ppv with other on for free. But that first clash! That was historic. Except for me wanting it to be the rock n roll instead of the fantastics, and Gorgeous Jimmy not winning the T.V. belt, I remember loving every second of that show. Sitting there thinking "you already know hogans gonna win the belt again, what the point." Boy my surprise the next day at school about WM4. That was a the absolute greatest time to be a kid if you loved wrestling like i did.
Do you consider JIM CROCKETT PROMOTIONS part of WCW's lineage or a separate entity? Also do you consider Wrestling in NYC prior to Capitol part of WWE's lineage? I ask this because in the 80's the WWF's intro would say "For over 50 years" etc. That would take their lineage at least to the 30's. Great video, just subscribed. Gonna check out more of your channel.
Great questions and thank you so much for subscribing, Welcome to the Know-It-All Nation! Personally, I look at JCP and the NWA as WCW's parents. Sure, there are things that crossover, but by in large, that's how I view it. As for CWC, I look at everything after breaking away from the NWA in the 60's as WWE, nothing before. But that's me. What about you?
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Thanks for the reply. As for WWE's lineage I'm not sure what to think. Maybe the WWE wanted to act as if their lineage was older than it was. WCW did the same thing on Nitro one night when Tony Schiavone said they been around since 1905 which didn't make sense to me. He may have been referring to George Hackenschmidt who won the world title that year, but still isn't their lineage. But regardless, your channel is great and informative. I'm gonna binge watch a lot of your videos today. Keep up the great work.
The lineage traceable to The Thirties in the Sport is The Welch and Fuller Families. They promoted cards throughout The Deep South and it was through NWA Southeastern as a member of The Heel Faction known as "The Stud's Stable" circa 1984 that Arn Anderson received his inaugural push.🤔😉🎤🐴💎👔👞👞🤼♂️B.W.
Danny: Near as I know WWWF is probably traceable to 1957 or earlier. The Graham Brothers Eddie and "Crazy" Luke wrestled a Legendary Two out of Three Falls Tag Match about that time in Washington, D.C. for Vince McMahon Senior's Group.🤔😉🎤🤼♂️B.W.
In fact for anyone who Dave has interested in checking out out go to this channel right here: th-cam.com/users/4WrestlingFans I don't know who this guy is but he's doing good work for the IWC.
The national wrestling alliance was great from 1984 until mismanagement happened in 1987. NWA should have kept the UWF and its talent. Steve Williams, Sting, Terry Taylor, Chris Adams, the Freebirds, Iceman Kong Parsons, One Man Gang. Jim Duggan, Ted Dibaise, Shane Douglass, Steve Cox, Sheep Herders, the Terminator, Ron Simmons, Eddie Gilbert the Lightning Express and Rick Steiner etc. Allowing most of wrestlers to leave for WWF and taking money from Florida Championship Westling and burying UWF by spending money carelessly jets, limousines etc was part of the reason why the NWA wrestling began to suffer. May I add some of Dusty Rhodes booking matches and some finishes got burned out too. Last but not least in 1987 pushing Ronnie Garvin no offense, to become NWA champion was not the right call. I felt that Barry Windham or for sure Nikita koloff should have been the NWA champion to take Ric Flairs place. No ones knows the truth but at Starrcade 1987 the main event was suppose to be Nikita Koloff vs. Ronnie Garvin for the NWA title. Why did they change it ? Only the NWA management would know the answers to that. I believe that Nikita Koloff would have finally become NWA champion at Starrcade 1987. RIP DUSTY RHODES Son of a plumber. The match that we never saw on the NWA also was the Road Warriors vs. the Rock N Roll Express that should have taken place back in 1986. They also held the Road Warriors back to long to win the NWA tag team championship. Starrcade 1987 the Road Warriors should have won the belts but instead the Nwa alllowex then to win the belts a almost a year later when the dominant tag teams were completely gone accept for the Midnight Express. The Fantastics were good but not great enough to hang with the Road Warriors.
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Enjoyed this! Truly well explained.
Thank you so very much I appreciate it
This shocked me more than shockmaster's debut 😂
The logo kinda looks like 666.
Wrestling Bios? 😲
@@dudebro3250 The logo reminds me of don Cornelius productions
Yay. WCW's long forgotten parents.
Hahahaha, that's a good way of looking at it
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Have you thought of What If Series in Wrestling? Like What If Magnum TA never had that car accident & beat Flair for the NWA title What if Chris Benoit never killed his family & wrestled at the PPV against CM Punk
@@lambert581 If you like that sort of series you should check out Pllana Productions. This is about a week late, so sorry for the comment, but he does a series like that and a few other videos on his channel so if you're into that check it out.
@@lambert581 I think Chris was at the end of his career by then anyway. His neck surgery kinda took a lot out of him. However, if he hadnt gone nutty, I'd like to think he'd be running NXT and be the head trainer, and Lance Storm. Half the wrestlers today would be all doing Canadian Strong Style.
I would not mind seeing a similar retrospective on Mid South and World Class Championship Wrestling if you're so inclined.
Thank you for the suggestion
Here's something never brought up about how Bill Watts Mid South UWF wrestling tried to take over Fritz Von Erichs world-class territory
@@robertcurbo2436 whatabout Herb Abrams uwf?! I hate myself for mentioning that 'promotion'
World class wrestling sounds interesting.
@@jbj7599 I wamt the One Owned by a Cocoine Addict.
Crockett was hands down the best wrestling of the 80s
They had some really good times
I feel deprived having grown up in a solid WWF territory.
Mark Melo you missed classics and true innovation.
100% my guy. Still holds up well for me. I'll put Crockett '86 up against any year in wrestling history.
@@dirtmcgirt8269 💯
Even though the UWF was short lived, it was a fun program. My first time seeing Sting and his tag team partner who would later be known as the Ultimate Warrior, the Blade Runners. UWF was the first place I saw Jim Ross. Good ole days
I called The Blade Runners The Junior Version of The Road Warriors back then. Sting was a lot more willing to learn new wrestling moves and work a match than Rock aka The Warrior was. Rock was content to do Power Moves and beat the crap out of you.
As I was raised in the south and watched wrestling a LOT back in the day (late 70s and in the 80s), I grew up with JCP. Crockett was great wrestling. I remember Magnum TA really well. He was a great wrestler who had the fans in the palm of his hand.
It is said when Vince was scared when he shouldn't have been and not scared when he should have been.
That's an apt description of Vince's mentality
I live and grew up in Charlotte NC. As a kid I worked as part of the Ring crew traveling from city to city setting up and tearing down the ring, Helping with the interview set and during cage matches carrying out and assembling the Cage before the final match. Some great memories and funny times..... especially of the Road Warriors torturing us every chance they had
Wow what a great set of memories to have.. really awesome
Being born and raised in the Carolinas I can vouch that Crocket was way bigger than McMahon in the 80s down here
Oddly, Vince is from the Carolinas
@@DaveKnowsWrestling he is I couldn't believe that when I found out because he definitely doesn't have a southern accent. I think he probably resents it because he hated Jim Ross's and others accents.
I'm born and raised in NC and I must say that. NWA had the best wrestling and promos.. Without NWA and WCW there wouldn't no 4 Horsemen and nWo period..
It wasn’t even close
Vince had a terrible childhood and he’s lived and worked on the Northeast for decades. It doesn’t surprise me that he’d want to distance himself from his Southern roots.
Also WWE was the big Northeast promotion under his father as well.
Black Saturday wouldn’t be the only time Vince wouldn’t take “no” for an answer
Yikes
Dave Knows Wrestling “allegedly”
Mcmahon doesnt take no till this day
@@DaveKnowsWrestling are referring to them WWF Cream Team?
@@DaveKnowsWrestling you referring to the WWF Cream Team?
I'll never forget the "I Quit" match between Tully Blanchard and Magum T.A. at Starrcade 85 what a match that was
I went to see the tv tapings at the WRAL studios twice, before they had the tapings at big arenas. As noted here it was on Wednesday night. They taped 2 shows, Mid Atlantic, which would air at 11:30 on Saturday nights, and World Wide Wrestling, which was syndicated but was usually Saturday afternoons. Mid Atlantic was hosted by Bob Caudle and David Crockett and World Wide by Don Kernoodle and a variety of co-hosts. We saw Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Jay Youngblood, Gene and Ole Anderson, Greg Valentine, Ivan and Nikita Koloff and the very under-rated Dewey Robertson, who held the NWA Junior Heavyweight title for years, and mainly kept it in Canada. The great thing was the tickets for the tv tapings were free, you just had to send in a 3×5 postcard to reserve your space.
Now that is a great experience to have
Really great video! You really help make things clear despite a very complex history with lots of moving parts. Also, nice soundtrack.
Thank you so much for the high praise and in terms of the music... well I owe most of it to the TH-cam library
Great video! It can't be easy to pack that much history into 14 minutes. Very well done and highly educational. I thouroughly enjoyed watching this!
I am glad you enjoyed watching this video and yes it is hard to get all of it into one video.. thanks for appreciating it
When Jim Crockett Promotions(JCP) purchased Bill Watts Universal Wrestling Federation(UWF) that should have propeled them to greatness.
Yeah it should have been a huge triumph
I think Jim Crockett Jr. had high hopes about this particular acquisition.
Unfortunately, Crockett (through his booker, Dusty Rhodes) had a tendency to simply bury the wrestlers in the territories he bought up during that era (Mid South/UWF, Central States, Florida). It seems like he bought up the territories with no actual plan for what to do with them once he made the acquisitions.
Thing is when Crockett bought the UWF it inherited it's television time slots giving JCP round the same station mark as Vince and it strengthened JCP's reach and exposure.
The problem was that they didn't need to as UWF was basically bankrupt. Crockett could have just let UWF die and pick at the dead corpse. Instead, he allowed himself to be played by BIll Watts. Watts was desperate to sell to avoid losing his shirt entirely. He first went to Vince with an offer to sell and Vince passed. So, he decided to use that to convince Crockett into buying by claiming that VInce was ready to buy. Crockett fell for Watts's ruse and ended up buying UWF himself, and as mentioned, all the debt. If he had simply let UWF die, he would have been able to get the TV and the talent without the debt.
fantastic video, great channel! just found your channel and i hope to see more stuff like this in the future!
Thank you so much and thank the Patreon Supporters for voting for it
This was fantastic. I've been recently listening to a wrestling podcast covering 1985-? in chronological order re: JCP. This piece was amazingly well researched. Thanks!
Thank you so much for appreciating!
Dave Knows Wrestling? Yes, you certainly do. Glad I found your channel and only wish I had discovered it sooner. Subbed.
Well, this is a nice surprise and just long enough to enjoy before work....
Criminally underrated channel.
Glad I timed it well, hope you enjoy your day at work and thank you so much for thinking so, hope word spreads
@@DaveKnowsWrestling , thanks....Dave
JCP in '86 was the absolute height of my wrestling fandom.
80's wrestling... I miss it so much
86 is my favorite Jcp year... the Birth of the 4 Horsemen.
@@woady_one So good. I got to see all four of them compete at a house show in Pittsburgh in October of 86'(Andersons vs R-n-R/Tully vs Wahoo/Flair vs Dusty)To this day, it was the best time I've ever had at a live wrestling event. Better than Wrestlemania 24. I miss how invested crowds were in the 80s. If Ricky Morton got beat up, people cried. If Dusty pinned Flair(even though the decision was reversed moments later)the crowd reacted like their hometown team had just won the Superbowl.
Excellent video, as always! Keep up the great work, Dave!
Thanks, will do!
saturday night 6:05 pm the most famous time of tbs.
The Super Station
True
I loved how everything started at 5 minutes or 35 minutes.....lol.....Put on 17!!!!! Lol
@@richevans609 🤢
Yes as a NY, wrestling fan I agree. One Saturday in the 80's, I was working with a friend on a school project. My friend had cable, I did not. "I am going to provoke you mind." He said. Huh? Was my response. He puts on tbs at 6:05 PM. Wow! The floodgates were opened. WWF was considered corny and cartoonish, sometimes. We also got worldwide, on ch 11, the WB, in the 80's
Then worldwide on ch 2 cbs. For the pre NWO and the NWO WCW.
Once again Dave, great video! I grew up during the mid-80s Crockett era and was always a big fan (hence my profile pic) so i'll always have a soft spot for JCP. Honestly always preferred them over whatever WWF was doing. NWA was big in the Philly area where I grew up and even as a kid I preferred that southern style wrestling over Vince's "sports entertainment" cause it seemed more realistic and sports-based.
And that was the draw, WWF made their product for kids, while NWA addressed more adult audiences. The realistic presentation and sports based appearance of the show made it a more complex wrestling product
Excellent, well-researched retrospective on JCP. Thanks for posting.
Thank you for appreciating it
Really Enjoy the Show.I have followed Georgia Wrestling for over 55 years.And you have some good sources. I would to speak with you one of these days. You will find out I know a little bit too.Keep up the good work. Looking forward to new content soon
Got to hand it to you Dave.. about as thorough of a look at JCP as you could do in 13 minutes.. well done!
Thank you very much for saying so. I do appreciate your appreciation
jim cornette one of my favorite parts of old jcp shows
He is a really good part of any show he's on
Dave Knows Wrestling do you watch his youtube channel at all or listen to his podcasts? He could still be one of the best promos in the business if the people in charge would stop actively hating wrestling fans.
Dave, this is the first time ive ever seen one of your videos, and im only 30 seconds in, but i can tell im gonna love your content.
Thanks so much and Welcome to the Know-It-All Nation!
Great video. Would love to see a run down of the Stampede Wrestling promotion at some point.
Thank you for enjoying and thank you for the suggestion
Thanks for another great show Dave!
Thank you for being here
I loved Jim Crockett Promotions.
Same
Awesome vid. Great topic.
Dude, you must take a shitload of time doing all this research. Love all this history and background info on the history of the business man.
Thank you so much for appreciating the effort and for taking the time to say so
Would love to see Dave do a interview Jim Cornnet about wrestling History.
I would too!
Your videos are quite detailed, and excellent 👍
Thanks
Thank you for reviewing jim crocket promotion it dont get the recognition it deserves very well done.
Thank you for appreciating it and I agree it should get more recognition
Growing up in the in the time of JCP l have many memories of going to shows in Wilmington and Fayetteville NC. Watching people like Ivan Koloff, Dusty Rhodes, The Horseman, and many others. At the time l didn't realize how lucky l was but now l wouldn't trade it for anything
That is great that you have those memories and glad you value them so much
I remember being young and going to the Dorton Arena in Raleigh seeing Flair, Wahoo, Valentine, steamboat and so many ...also watching Mid-Atlantic wrestling on Saturday night
Great video bro ✊🏾🔥
went to many JCP show in the Carolinas back in the day..best memory--easy Starrcade 85 in Greensboro
Wasn’t a fan of your videos. At first. But after rewatching the Lucha libre i because a fan. Keep it up.
Welcome back
Outstanding vid, well done
Thank you very much for the kind words and the support!
I love these dives into the Territories raise and fall
It's always nice knowing what came before and how we got to where we are now
Dave Knows Wrestling those days were what made me a fan of wrestling in the 80’s
VERY informative!
im from philly.... all the kids in school watched Jim Crockett Promotions over the WWF
85-88 was magic
In an alternative reality, I would have had Piper return to JCP in 87 to fight the horseman.
and maybe have valentine and steamboat return too.
could have been a huge shot in the arm
It's so depressing WCW got sold to vince lol
I feel like this video makes you look at things like the Royal Rumble and Survivor Series in a different way
@@DaveKnowsWrestling You know, it really does. But... you can't fault WWF for putting on better shows. Or at least better gimmick shows on those specific dates. If Crockett would have kept it a bit simpler and pushed certain guys a bit more across different territories, Rumble Survivor Series would be afterthoughts. Especially when JCP began airing Halloween Havocs and StarrCades live on TBS for free.
Wrong promotion won. When SCSA & The Rock left, who did WWE turn to for the most part (outside of the OVW big 4 & Taker/HBK)? Eddie, Rey jr, Jericho, Big Show, Benoit, Booker T, Regal, Fit Finlay (06), Helms, tried w/ Goldberg. WCW had the guys to carry them, along w/ Sting & Flair as ur tentpoles, & dropped the fukn ball.
@@dirtmcgirt8269 *wrong promotion won* which is why WWF closed and we still have WCW today....
This has a lot of good information but the timelines are all over the place as you go topic to topic...still have to appreciate the effort as you are well spoken.
Great video👍💯
Love learning more about the territory days! Thanks Dave! Wasn't George Scott a major flop in his later run with jcp/wcw/nwa
He was really good at getting the ball rolling in the beginning. His time in WWF wasn't very long either, but it did what it needed to do
@@DaveKnowsWrestling I think he sucked as a Booker in the late '80s/early '90s, but I don't think Jim Herd helped matters much😂
Fascinating. I picked up viewership in 1982
Thank you for sharing you history
John Ringley was Crocket Sr.'s son in law and would have stayed in charge of Crocket promotions had he not divorced Crocket Sr's daughter Frances. Frances ran the family minor league baseball team she a Johm were thought to be the most savy of that generation. After Wringley left Crocket, Jr took over.
Crockett should have concentrated on the core NWA regions in the South instead of trying to go head to head with Vince in New York and Chicago
Yeah it would have been better that way
I would like to see Jim Crockett bring back WCW
Great video
Great work 👏
Love and respect from across the pond 🇬🇧
Thank you. Always appreciate kind words and especially from the UK... always wanted to go there
Dave Knows Wrestling I live in a small town called Cheltenham, in an area called The Cotswolds. Look it up, worth a visit if you ever make it over.
Thanks for the reply and content you are putting out 👍✌️
Thank you Jim Crockett for the greatest pro wrasslin eva!
Thank you for unraveling the immensely complicated Alphabet soup that was the Pro Wrestling that I grew up on
God bless you always my friend, I hope you have a great day! :)
Thank you! You too!
Good job on this. You were spot on with the history of JCP. There's a heck of a lot of revisionist history about JCP\WCW on youtube. So, it's nice to see a documentary that actually isn't biased.
Thank you very much for appreciating the video. It means a lot to get such praise.
You nailed it on this one. Mid south? WCCW next?
We'll see what the Patrons want
Great vid man👍
Thank you
one thing that is funny, you talked about how jcp did make full use of uwf stars, well a star for the uwf went on to be the biggest star for turner's wcw sting.
Very good point
Well done! 👍
Brother, like I told ya last night on the Payback chat. You have to do a vid series on the Territory Days. In a way, this was a big chunk of the story.
Some of my first wrestling memories was watching "Wildfire" Tommy Rich winning the title from Harley Race. I think that was Georgia Championship Wrestling?
The weird thing is, I lived in Michigan, We got GCW, WWF, and I have vague memories of Big Time Wrestling from WKBD50 Detroit.
I'm not sure which network carried GCW. It would have to have been TBS. It was a great time to be a kid and a wrestling fan.
I live in Wisconsin. The AWA was big in the midwest. Plus there was Bob Luce in Chicago. Not sure how big he was outside of Chicago. But the Brain, Hogan, Kurt Hennig, the Gagnes, Nick Bockwinkle, Ray Stevens and others were part of the AWA. Of course Henan, HennIng went on to WWE. I was a wrestling fan back then, not so much now.
Dave Knows History!
Thank you
You are right about them devaluing the UWF talent. Imagine what could have been if they had built to a match between Flair and UWF champion "Dr. Death" Steve Williams. Williams was one of the toughest workers around and was well on his way to really becoming a star. Unfortunately, Crockett decided to undercut his pay and he wound up leaving and the UWF title went by the wayside. Also, interesting to note is that Ted DiBiase was in negotiations with Crockett prior to making his WWF debut in 1987. One of the stories he told was that he was going to get a run with the NWA belt. However, he decided to sign with Vince and become the Million Dollar Man.
Yeah, sometimes ppl don't know what they had right in front of them
His return. Ted DiBiase wrestled for The WWWF in 1979 and won the original InterContinental Championship (then known as The North American Championship) in San Juan, Puerto Rico. Double ironies with that: Almost four years later DiBiase won The NWA UWF MidSouth version of The North American Championship. In New Orleans. Only a few short years ago Adam Cole won a Ladder Match and captured The NXT version. In New Orleans!🤔😉🎤🤼♂️B.W.
@@madbrowniac7871 I forgot Ted was in the WWF in the late 70's. In fact, before he left he put over Hulk Hogan, who had just arrived.
BTW, small correction. Mid South was not an NWA member. It was pretty much an independent but still worked with the NWA. In fact, on a few occasions they would bring in Nick Bockwinkel to defend the AWA title.
That is absolutely correct about MidSouth. Houston Wrestling alone was an incredible Showcase for the Greats going back to The Twenties and they brought in AWA, NWA, and WWE (WWWF and WWF before) Champs on a consistent basis.🤔😉🎤🤴🐴🤼♂️B.W.
Given the history, it's very surprising to see Vince making some of the same mistakes now.
I have been thinking that myself... and just see how ratings are declining... maybe it's a coincidence
@@DaveKnowsWrestling It's a double-edged sword....for now.
Truly enjoy this series Dave how bout doing some about The Canadian Indies
Thanks for the suggestion there
@@DaveKnowsWrestling no problem Dave
Would love to see a video about my fellow mid Michigander the original Sheik!
Hmm good to know, I did just bring him up recently
When I was on holiday in 1991, went to florida, remember seeing wrestling on TV, it might florida c w or wcw, can't recall
Nice to know about a legendary promotion.
It sure was legendary wasn't it
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Yup
I am hooked on youre channel
Glad to hear. Hope you keep enjoying the Channel!
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Maybe you should do a collaboration with Wrestling Bios as well some day.
I'm always down for collabs.. finding willing partners is a different story
Dave knows is like wrestling university
That means a lot to hear
“Black Saturday” was the unofficial shot-across-the-bow in what would later become “The Monday Night Wars”, IMO..
Dave knows he should open a promotion. You know so much about wrestling I believe you could do it like Defiant/WCPW but not have to shut down then I can try out to wrestle. Use my wrestling and Jiu-justu
Well thank you very much, but that takes considerable resources and it's not like shows are running right now either, but thanks all the same
Ahh yes please put on 5 star shoot style matches using your completely real and totally spelled right jiu-justu style!
Yes new video what did you think about aew last night
I thought it was pretty good
Crockett Promotions Produced the Greatest Wrestling there ever was...The then WWF had the bigger budget,but in my mind,the "NWA had the better and more believable talent.
It sure was a great promotion
Randy Savage, Dibiase, Hart Foundation, Mr Perfect, Rockers, Rougeaus, could match up with the NWA boys
@@chadk890 Meh...Im not really a fan of WWF
Loved JCP.
The 4 Horsemen era was my favorite. The promos were 5 star every week.
I wonder if Crockett would never have sold to Ted Turner if they would still exist today as an alternative to the WWE. Once I was able to get World Championship Wrestling on TBS and World Wide was syndicated to my area I liked that product better than the WWF at the time.
Crockett in the mid to late 1980's when I was watching was great.
JCP was awesome in the 70's and 80's.......
I'm glad Dave mentioned the Pro Wrestling USA promotion. Nobody remembers that promotion.
Thank you for appreciating it... and well I think we know why no one mentions it
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Yeah, it was pretty much a dumpster fire.
Miss Jim Crockett promotions NWA Mid-Atlantic championship wrestling...
Hey, how can you talk about JCP and not ever mention Bob Caudle? It’s like doing a history of CBS news and never mentioning Walter Cronkite.
You're right. I skipped over him because unlike some of the presenters I did mention, he didn't have another connection to something else later on in the story that I was telling. And at that point in the video I was just name dropping over and over again. So I thought it got a little repetitive and decided to cut the only section I had on him. Plus I didn't see any really good pictures to use of him either.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling should JCP have considered having the Bunkhouse Stampede in Philadelphia considering their drawing power there?
@@DaveKnowsWrestling
No pictures to use of him? at 5:59, you have Caudle interviewing the Andersons
No mention of Jim Crockett Sr.'s passing in 1973 which is why John Ringley (Crockett's son-in-law) even got involved in the first place. No mention of the very first Starrcade in Greensboro (1983) or the HQ of JCP being moved from Charlotte to Dallas after the purchase of the UWF. If you're going to get your video past that magical 10 minute mark for monetization, you may as well tell the whole story.
I mean, it's all good if you're actually not a wrestling fan and you just cobble these videos together with stuff you found on Wikipedia to make a little bit of income on 10+ minute videos. You'd have to change your username though.
I was big on Jim Crockett promotions and the NWA when I was growing up. I lived on it. The WWF wasn't the same at all. Too bad Jim Crockett JR shot himself in the foot with his bad decisions. It pained me as a growing teen to watch their slow downfall.
While I don't agree with some of his decisions myself, I will say that Hulkamania was just something that no one saw coming. It's so hard to counter something like that
@@DaveKnowsWrestling it didn't help with Magnum T.A. crashing his car. He could've helped but don't think he could've competed with Hogan.
Flair and Steamboat the Rock-N-Roll Express battles with the Midnight Express Arn and Tully Sting but Eric Bischoff never allowed any one to get over except Goldberg and allowing certain guys to have creative control over the characters spelled doom for wcw........
ok
Will you do more rise and falls?
We'll see what the Patrons have to say in the voting
I was watching the first rumble wishing i was watching that bunkhouse stampede cage match battle royal instead. But, there was no way in hell my momma getting me ppv with other on for free. But that first clash! That was historic. Except for me wanting it to be the rock n roll instead of the fantastics, and Gorgeous Jimmy not winning the T.V. belt, I remember loving every second of that show. Sitting there thinking "you already know hogans gonna win the belt again, what the point." Boy my surprise the next day at school about WM4. That was a the absolute greatest time to be a kid if you loved wrestling like i did.
Excellent.
Thank you! Cheers!
I loved going to Norfolk Scope an watching the Roc and roll express, dusty Rhodes, Magnum Ta and Four Horseman
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You should do a video on VxS Wrestling or whatever :)
Do you consider JIM CROCKETT PROMOTIONS part of WCW's lineage or a separate entity? Also do you consider Wrestling in NYC prior to Capitol part of WWE's lineage? I ask this because in the 80's the WWF's intro would say "For over 50 years" etc. That would take their lineage at least to the 30's. Great video, just subscribed. Gonna check out more of your channel.
Great questions and thank you so much for subscribing, Welcome to the Know-It-All Nation! Personally, I look at JCP and the NWA as WCW's parents. Sure, there are things that crossover, but by in large, that's how I view it. As for CWC, I look at everything after breaking away from the NWA in the 60's as WWE, nothing before. But that's me. What about you?
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Thanks for the reply. As for WWE's lineage I'm not sure what to think. Maybe the WWE wanted to act as if their lineage was older than it was. WCW did the same thing on Nitro one night when Tony Schiavone said they been around since 1905 which didn't make sense to me. He may have been referring to George Hackenschmidt who won the world title that year, but still isn't their lineage. But regardless, your channel is great and informative. I'm gonna binge watch a lot of your videos today. Keep up the great work.
The lineage traceable to The Thirties in the Sport is The Welch and Fuller Families. They promoted cards throughout The Deep South and it was through NWA Southeastern as a member of The Heel Faction known as "The Stud's Stable" circa 1984 that Arn Anderson received his inaugural push.🤔😉🎤🐴💎👔👞👞🤼♂️B.W.
Danny: Near as I know WWWF is probably traceable to 1957 or earlier. The Graham Brothers Eddie and "Crazy" Luke wrestled a Legendary Two out of Three Falls Tag Match about that time in Washington, D.C. for Vince McMahon Senior's Group.🤔😉🎤🤼♂️B.W.
Do a video about Cowboy Bill Watts’ vision of pro wrestling
It's crazy how things have changed over the years. Territories and regional promotions now to a few national promotions
Yeah, it's hard to wrap your mind around it at times
Too many bigger promotions buying the smaller ones and then just kill them for good.
2:57 will we ever get pictures of current or future wrestlers like that again? 😥
I don't think we will either
I like this so far. Not the usual mark narrative video fueled by dirt sheet propaganda.
I appreciate that. Thank you
Jim Crockett & Bill Watts should been the a huge partnership. JCP/Mid Atlantic & the UWF should have been a more successful merger.
Interesting program grew up on wrestling
I watch an episode of the old TBS show every week.
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I don't know who this guy is but he's doing good work for the IWC.
The national wrestling alliance was great from 1984 until mismanagement happened in 1987.
NWA should have kept the UWF and its talent. Steve Williams, Sting, Terry Taylor, Chris Adams, the Freebirds, Iceman Kong Parsons, One Man Gang. Jim Duggan, Ted Dibaise, Shane Douglass, Steve Cox, Sheep Herders, the Terminator, Ron Simmons, Eddie Gilbert the Lightning Express and Rick Steiner etc. Allowing most of wrestlers to leave for WWF and taking money from Florida Championship Westling and burying UWF by spending money carelessly jets, limousines etc was part of the reason why the NWA wrestling began to suffer. May I add some of Dusty Rhodes booking matches and some finishes got burned out too. Last but not least in 1987 pushing Ronnie Garvin no offense, to become NWA champion was not the right call. I felt that Barry Windham or for sure Nikita koloff should have been the NWA champion to take Ric Flairs place. No ones knows the truth but at Starrcade 1987 the main event was suppose to be Nikita Koloff vs. Ronnie Garvin for the NWA title. Why did they change it ? Only the NWA management would know the answers to that. I believe that Nikita Koloff would have finally become NWA champion at Starrcade 1987.
RIP DUSTY RHODES
Son of a plumber.
The match that we never saw on the NWA also was the Road Warriors vs. the Rock N Roll Express that should have taken place back in 1986.
They also held the Road Warriors back to long to win the NWA tag team championship.
Starrcade 1987 the Road Warriors should have won the belts but instead the Nwa alllowex then to win the belts a almost a year later when the dominant tag teams were completely gone accept for the Midnight Express. The Fantastics were good but not great enough to hang with the Road Warriors.
We need to get you on Quizzlemania!
#DaveKnowsQuizzlemania
I am down and thanks for the support! Although I doubt they're interested
Dave Knows Wrestling you don’t know that.
I've been brought up to them before, they don't answer.
Dave Knows Wrestling that’s unfortunate.