I don't for ONE SECOND think they will bring Venom over into the MCU. Feige wants to get Spiderman back to grounded, Peter Parker type shit. He won't bend to Amy Pascal trying to force her floundering "Non Spiderman Verse" characters into Spiderman 4. I'll bet the house on it.
And people are missing the fact that the rebooted MCU will be on a collision course with the DCU.Kevin Feige and James Gunn have admitted to having very early discussions and being open to crossing over.
If they somehow make the 1996 Marvel DC crossover happen in cinema the kid version of me can die happy. Please comic gods give us Darkclaw, Spider-Boy and an Amazon solo film!
The street level Spiderman movie with Daredevil and Kingpin was the way to go. The MCU needs to return to some more down to earth plots and getting away from this Cosmic/multiverse BS. The only good Multiverse movie was the one Spidey was in, anyway, and then it jumped the shark big time after that.
Why is Sony waiting 4.5 years to release another Spider-Man film? 🎥 During that span, they could have already made a street-level Spidey flick to please the Marvel fans and then go ahead with their Venom crossover clusterf*ck 😂
I was wondering the same thing the other day. the thing is homecoming is still received well. far from home is considered one of the worst mcu movies and in contention for worst comic movie after 2005-2006. I love no way home but the nostalgia and characters beat the script for me. if they took a gamble and lost then tom holland is done as spiderman in the publics eyes. hes not number 1 hes tied for second in terms of acting like spiderman and Peter Parker. box office means nothing in terms of quality
Tom Holland put everything on hold. He wanted to take a pause from the character, since he had been playing him pretty much once per year since he got the role!
This is the best of both worlds. Do the Kingpin plan now and we can conclude the Knull stuff on Battleworld. This is a plan I can get behind. But then again Sony is Sony.
@@ps3gamertagc021297when was far from home considered the worst movie in the mcu I always hear people say it wasn’t the best or that they enjoyed it but never it was the worst movie in the mcu
the greatest move Sony and marvel could make rn is have a Spiderman street level plot in Daredevil born again season 2! it would be HUGE. i hope that's what they are negotiating. just imagine tom Hollands Spiderman in a gritty daredevil show.
Guys, Its simple. It’s all about money. Spiderman 3 broke a billion, song wants that again. And spiderman vs. king pin is not a billion dollar movie. Spider man vs. Venom is.
Except Far From Home also broke a billion. This is a shit excuse just to rush to venom. Can't wait for this to be rushed and it NOT break a billion and see the poor word of mouth just for Sony to not know what to do next.
A grounded Spider-Man/DD crossover film seems like a much better idea for the rebooted post Secret Wars MCU,then sticking it right in the middle of the multiverse saga's climax.
Tom Holland getting that bag!! Just imagine when he's done playing spiderman and they want him to come back......that check is gonna be crrraaaaaazyy!!
If RDJ and Tom Holland are part of the Captain America I'd feel bad for Sam Wilson. He really just wants to stand on his own and not have to have other star power sharing the spotlight.
Tying in the spider-verse would be main key since it was established the web of destiny is like a web on a tree, it holds in events in every universe for every timeline and since MCU supposed to die or reboot it would mean a important person had to die in that universe and it should be Toms Spiderman starting the incursion, the web of destiny couldn't hold together. And since RDJ is playing doom it should be him to make the kill it make the story so much more impactful.
at this point, Sony just let Marvel do whatever they want with Spider-Man and then out of what Sony and Marvel do, whichever the fans like and go to support get to keep the character.....
Personally wanted more of a grounded spiderman 4 film. Hope they don’t fuck it up. If the continuation of spiderman is not helping the mcu and only Sonys cinematic movies I don’t want it
Great video! I could also see them using battle world for the soft reboot after Secret Wars, picking and choosing their new universe from the old + new favorite characters from battle world.
Okay what if they are going to connect cartoon spiderverse and the Sony/venomverse and the mcu spider man together for a big multiversal movie would explain why they made venom reshoots and why they made the artists restart their work on BTSV
I want a world where Spider-Man just shows up in EVERYTHING set in NYC ! Doesn’t even need to be Tom Holland ! Just give us a stunt man in the suit and Tom can record some lines on his phone for all I care ❤
Marvel Studios is doing 100% of the work on the Spider-Man movies and Sony just pays for it. Disney needs to figure out a way to end this toxic relationship.
@IndianaJake Ultron is the lowest grossing Avengers movie because wasn't that good. Spider-Man had zero impact on Infinity War's gross. The Russos did.
I'm clearly autistic because i watch these videos, but my buddy who isn't was in the room while I watched this. The amount of times you unironically use "EPIC" gave the room too much cringe radiation and now he's autistic too. He quit his job and left his girlfriend to read about trains and play minecraft while quoting children videos. You now have another subscriber but at what cost...
When you said they need to get back to the storytelling like Avengers Infinity War and Endgame. Thats exactly right. It always had to do with the writing and people in touch with the comics. Doing it the way it should be. The actual storytelling. GOOD story tell and that stand up and cheer feeling! The Emotional Crescendo event. Stand up and cheer 🎉🎉
Well they better hurry up, because Tom Holland is getting older. He has the baby face, but there will come a time when he can no longer play a teen/eraly twenties Peter Parker, unless the plan is have an older Peter Parker leading eventually to some mentorship scenario with Miles Morales.
Also, there was that story about the dr strange spell being undone and there would be big effects from that. I’m thinking ALL the Peter Parker’s/spider men will remember the past universe, along with strange and doom when the multiverse collapses. This will make the Parker’s key players in SW. also, prob venom/simbiotes/knoll might remember because of the hive mind.
They likely want the 'spiderverse' characters to feed into the street level universe so they can be esablished and crossedover in the likes of the defenders or morbius for midnight suns and blade movies and they will be established and built into teams like the new sinister 6 for spiderman films......those villians will flesh out street level new york
Since Secret Wars is already on the books, we need to wait until then to give Spidey the symbiote properly like he does in the comics. That crap just writes itself, it’s perfect. So please Sony please just let Spidey 4 be a normal movie then Spider-Man 5 they can do the knull crap that they wanna do
Do you think there’s some connection with Tony stark and the guilt with sakovia and doctor doom? Yesterdays video you mentioned, how will they make a character that’s just introduced fit into the story
I think that it is risky to bet on a single Universe post-Secret Wars. A single Universe would assume that Sony and Marvel Spider-Man belong to the same place. And after the last trick Sony pulled on with Spider-Man, I see them not playing ball and pulling their rights card every time they come up with a good-but-my-god-how-can-yo-do-it-so-bad idea. Hence, forcing Marvel to rethink again all their plan in order to accommodate Sony's greedy (although legit) attitude. In addition, it would make Loki's sacrifice a bit meaningless? And let's be honest, the multiverse card is too much of a juicy card when considering mutants and Captain Britain. So, I'm not sure about the whole single Universe thing. Anyway, I'm glad that, for the first time in years, things seem to work in a good direction. I'm properly hyped up! :D
With the upcoming release slates it’s more likely now that Spider-Man 4 will take that February 2026 slot being a set up for Doomsday. They already have a director hired for the movie and the script is being written by the homecoming trilogy writers. Doctor Strange 3 will very well be a set up for Secret wars instead. Sucks though I would have loved to see a spiderman film take place in battleworld
Tom has stated he doesn’t want to play spider man forever and if they are going to reboot (I think they will and have to) it should be a “hard” reboot where most if not all characters are recast. This would allow them to bring in a younger cast and bring back characters like iron man played by different actors.
I’m not defending Sony. I’m not defending Marvel, either. I find it slightly hypocritical when I hear “Sony gonna Sony”. Marvel has released trash like The Marvels. Sony owes Marvel nothing. Maybe Marvel is in the way too.
They are crazy if they don't use full characterization, especially on punisher. He has much more potential, much more views & respect could happen from vets. Traditional muay Thai is definitely missing for so long
What if Marvel does a Defenders film, so they get they street level movie and Spider-Man is part of the film. Then it ends with Venom and that leads into Spider-Man 4.
New Rockstars just predicted 60s versions of the avengers in the new fantastic four movie. They predicted a version of Spider-Man in that movie in that universe that could still happen and also get the 616 Spider-Man at the end of the fantastic floor as well fantastic four is looking to be even more epic if they bring in the silver age version of the avengers in this 1960s era of this new universe.
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What if venom dies in the Sony verse and Eddie somehow gets to the 616 tring to find the symbiote that was left behind.
Good thinking 🤔 nice...
I just want a new Venom in 616 not made by Sony. They failed twice in my eyes. Hardy as MCU Wolverine would have been better than Sony Venom.
@@SSBFan33-i3b I don't think that will happen till after the soft reboot
If we lost out on the Spidey and Daredevil vs. Kingpin movie because of Sony's greed that would be a real shame.
Sony: We gotta fix this.
Marvel: Who's we, give him back.
My takeaway from this video: WHAT IF SPIDERMAN WAS IN EVERY MCU PROJECT
😂😂😂
I don't for ONE SECOND think they will bring Venom over into the MCU.
Feige wants to get Spiderman back to grounded, Peter Parker type shit. He won't bend to Amy Pascal trying to force her floundering "Non Spiderman Verse" characters into Spiderman 4.
I'll bet the house on it.
Hopefully 🤞
Sony needs to let Spiderman go. It's the last Marvel property just sell it back. Their non Spider-Man Spider-Man movies have pretty much all sucked.
Everyone agrees with you.
And people are missing the fact that the rebooted MCU will be on a collision course with the DCU.Kevin Feige and James Gunn have admitted to having
very early discussions and being open to crossing over.
If they somehow make the 1996 Marvel DC crossover happen in cinema the kid version of me can die happy. Please comic gods give us Darkclaw, Spider-Boy and an Amazon solo film!
I really just want a truly great Alien Vs Predator crossover.
No dialogue, no humans, just one Predator trying to escape an infestation. Rated R.
@@kalmtraveler If the Amalgam verse get a live action adaptation I will literally ascend
The street level Spiderman movie with Daredevil and Kingpin was the way to go. The MCU needs to return to some more down to earth plots and getting away from this Cosmic/multiverse BS. The only good Multiverse movie was the one Spidey was in, anyway, and then it jumped the shark big time after that.
Nah that movie ass
Why is Sony waiting 4.5 years to release another Spider-Man film? 🎥
During that span, they could have already made a street-level Spidey flick to please the Marvel fans and then go ahead with their Venom crossover clusterf*ck 😂
I was wondering the same thing the other day. the thing is homecoming is still received well. far from home is considered one of the worst mcu movies and in contention for worst comic movie after 2005-2006. I love no way home but the nostalgia and characters beat the script for me. if they took a gamble and lost then tom holland is done as spiderman in the publics eyes. hes not number 1 hes tied for second in terms of acting like spiderman and Peter Parker. box office means nothing in terms of quality
Tom Holland put everything on hold. He wanted to take a pause from the character, since he had been playing him pretty much once per year since he got the role!
Because that's how they hold onto the rights to the franchise.
This is the best of both worlds. Do the Kingpin plan now and we can conclude the Knull stuff on Battleworld. This is a plan I can get behind. But then again Sony is Sony.
@@ps3gamertagc021297when was far from home considered the worst movie in the mcu I always hear people say it wasn’t the best or that they enjoyed it but never it was the worst movie in the mcu
Spider-Man 4 ends with Loki recruiting Tom Holland and Tom Hardy for his multiversal Avengers after Doom kicks his ass in Doomsday 🤔🤨
I like it but without any other details it sounds bad. I like it because I can fill in the blanks with the comics
Spider-Man Team Up With Daredevil, F4 and X-men
the greatest move Sony and marvel could make rn is have a Spiderman street level plot in Daredevil born again season 2! it would be HUGE. i hope that's what they are negotiating. just imagine tom Hollands Spiderman in a gritty daredevil show.
@@ryanthomasosullivan2hell nah😂😂 I seen daredevil beat King pin we don't need spider man
In spiderman 2 (the game) there is the new blue suit wich is a Fantastic 4 Tom holland spiderman suit
Give me black suit and black cat .
Patience My Friend, Patience?!...
Spider-man team ups Until he’s 90😂
Marvel: “let us let him appear in more movies, possibly series. Everyone loves spider-man!”
Sony: “eh.”
Marvel: “why tf are you like this?”
Guys, Its simple. It’s all about money. Spiderman 3 broke a billion, song wants that again. And spiderman vs. king pin is not a billion dollar movie. Spider man vs. Venom is.
Except Far From Home also broke a billion. This is a shit excuse just to rush to venom. Can't wait for this to be rushed and it NOT break a billion and see the poor word of mouth just for Sony to not know what to do next.
Fucking SONY.. I want my grounded DD team up movie. No more of this multiverse shit FFS!
A grounded Spider-Man/DD crossover film seems like a much better idea for the rebooted post Secret Wars MCU,then sticking it right in the middle
of the multiverse saga's climax.
Grounded Spider-Man is lame.
Maybe Feige can ignore what Sony wants and just say you know what we have two Multiverse Avengers movies I think we are good.
I’m sure Mackie would LOVE Tom Holland helping his movie😂😂😂
Marvel negotiated for Morbius rights
Source? Or just trolling?
@@IbraStar876It's so obviously a joke.
I bet the Marvel people don't even mention that name unless things go south and they decide to get petty 😂
I really hope Knull is a bigger threat than just a single Venom film even a Spidey/Venom collab doesn't feel big enough for how much a threat he is.
Marvel studio's and Sony pictures made a new deal now that Ravi Abuja is the CEO of Sony pictures now
Please let King in Black take over SEVERAL projects!!!!!
Deadpool & Spiderman is def happening at some point
Is this what Pascal was hinting at and Feige seemed annoyed by?
I am happy with the multiversal idea. Why go with an underwhelming idea like a grounded Spider-Man, when you can have the multiverse?
Tom Holland getting that bag!! Just imagine when he's done playing spiderman and they want him to come back......that check is gonna be crrraaaaaazyy!!
If RDJ and Tom Holland are part of the Captain America I'd feel bad for Sam Wilson. He really just wants to stand on his own and not have to have other star power sharing the spotlight.
Spiderman 4 will be two movies in one: first half is grounded then it becomes multiversal with Venom.
this would be the perfect time for Marvel to go completely Spider-Man-centric
Would love to see Spidey in X - Men vs Avengers.
Or even have spidey pop up in some xmen movies like the animated series 🥲
Yeah, his Colossus beat down Uncle Ben moment ‘twas epic! 😂👌🏾
Venom being a “Gotcha” moment in No Way Home was a jab at Avi Arad for shoehorning the character into everything.
Dont let speculation become expectation.
Tying in the spider-verse would be main key since it was established the web of destiny is like a web on a tree, it holds in events in every universe for every timeline and since MCU supposed to die or reboot it would mean a important person had to die in that universe and it should be Toms Spiderman starting the incursion, the web of destiny couldn't hold together. And since RDJ is playing doom it should be him to make the kill it make the story so much more impactful.
at this point, Sony just let Marvel do whatever they want with Spider-Man and then out of what Sony and Marvel do, whichever the fans like and go to support get to keep the character.....
Personally wanted more of a grounded spiderman 4 film. Hope they don’t fuck it up. If the continuation of spiderman is not helping the mcu and only Sonys cinematic movies I don’t want it
Great video! I could also see them using battle world for the soft reboot after Secret Wars, picking and choosing their new universe from the old + new favorite characters from battle world.
Knull reforms the necrosword over Gorr's body, looks at the camera and says "I guess I'll do it myself."
Ffs just let us have ONE movie of Tom's Spider-Man actually just being Spider-Man.
Okay what if they are going to connect cartoon spiderverse and the Sony/venomverse and the mcu spider man together for a big multiversal movie would explain why they made venom reshoots and why they made the artists restart their work on BTSV
Damn that's a hot car.
Oof and the scratch on the roof it must have left going under that semi like that!😱
I want a world where Spider-Man just shows up in EVERYTHING set in NYC ! Doesn’t even need to be Tom Holland ! Just give us a stunt man in the suit and Tom can record some lines on his phone for all I care ❤
Sam Raimi had the same problem with Spider-man when Amy Pascal ran Sony pictures?
Marvel Studios is doing 100% of the work on the Spider-Man movies and Sony just pays for it. Disney needs to figure out a way to end this toxic relationship.
It’s not toxic, spidey boosts their avengers movies ten fold
@@IndianaJake actually not, but ok 🤷🏻♂️
@IndianaJake No he doesn't. They were already grossing as much well before him.
@@dellcoc no they weren’t. Infinity war made 600K more than age of Ultron that’s an insane uptick
@IndianaJake Ultron is the lowest grossing Avengers movie because wasn't that good. Spider-Man had zero impact on Infinity War's gross. The Russos did.
Meanwhile .....agatha happened
Captain Marvel should not be a part of any big 3.
I would like to see Tom Holland black Symbiont Spiderman cameo in Midnight Suns
I'm clearly autistic because i watch these videos, but my buddy who isn't was in the room while I watched this. The amount of times you unironically use "EPIC" gave the room too much cringe radiation and now he's autistic too. He quit his job and left his girlfriend to read about trains and play minecraft while quoting children videos. You now have another subscriber but at what cost...
When you said they need to get back to the storytelling like Avengers Infinity War and Endgame. Thats exactly right. It always had to do with the writing and people in touch with the comics. Doing it the way it should be. The actual storytelling. GOOD story tell and that stand up and cheer feeling! The Emotional Crescendo event. Stand up and cheer 🎉🎉
It’s just a power struggle on who
Gets to decide what the plot ultimately is pretty much
Honestly at this point, they should go crazy, go full multiversal because at the end all of it is going to be rebooted in secret wars
Excellent content as always! Thank you!
Miss them Monday nights bro
I want a Spider-Man / Human Torch / Nova (Rich Rider) road trip movie.
Well they better hurry up, because Tom Holland is getting older. He has the baby face, but there will come a time when he can no longer play a teen/eraly twenties Peter Parker, unless the plan is have an older Peter Parker leading eventually to some mentorship scenario with Miles Morales.
I'd love to have at least one or two older spiderman movies before we jump straight to miles. He has plenty of potential as an older dude.
Also, there was that story about the dr strange spell being undone and there would be big effects from that. I’m thinking ALL the Peter Parker’s/spider men will remember the past universe, along with strange and doom when the multiverse collapses. This will make the Parker’s key players in SW. also, prob venom/simbiotes/knoll might remember because of the hive mind.
They likely want the 'spiderverse' characters to feed into the street level universe so they can be esablished and crossedover in the likes of the defenders or morbius for midnight suns and blade movies and they will be established and built into teams like the new sinister 6 for spiderman films......those villians will flesh out street level new york
DO IT SONY DONT MESS THIS UP
I am not interested in every Marvel movie becoming a spiderman movie. I can skip the Avengers if it is turned into a spiderman movie.
Sony definitely needs some help after throwing $400m in the trash can for Concord.
Since Secret Wars is already on the books, we need to wait until then to give Spidey the symbiote properly like he does in the comics. That crap just writes itself, it’s perfect. So please Sony please just let Spidey 4 be a normal movie then Spider-Man 5 they can do the knull crap that they wanna do
Yup venom 3 is gonna end with venom and tom hardy running into the 616 to get away from knull
Knull will turn the current world venom completely dark
Do you think there’s some connection with Tony stark and the guilt with sakovia and doctor doom? Yesterdays video you mentioned, how will they make a character that’s just introduced fit into the story
I hope we see the rivalry between venom and spider man first before they team up
Please do an ASM 3 with AG.
Tom hardy is done with venom. Disney can’t even do X-men properly lol.
Would like to see Peter get a job working for Jamison and have Eddie crossover, without venom tho, gotta wait for secret wars to get that new suit
Maybe they put spiderman in the daredevil show. This way we get some street level story.🤔
This could be really awesome, Don't EFF it up SONY 😔
I think that it is risky to bet on a single Universe post-Secret Wars. A single Universe would assume that Sony and Marvel Spider-Man belong to the same place. And after the last trick Sony pulled on with Spider-Man, I see them not playing ball and pulling their rights card every time they come up with a good-but-my-god-how-can-yo-do-it-so-bad idea. Hence, forcing Marvel to rethink again all their plan in order to accommodate Sony's greedy (although legit) attitude. In addition, it would make Loki's sacrifice a bit meaningless? And let's be honest, the multiverse card is too much of a juicy card when considering mutants and Captain Britain. So, I'm not sure about the whole single Universe thing.
Anyway, I'm glad that, for the first time in years, things seem to work in a good direction. I'm properly hyped up! :D
Marvel wasn’t kidding when they said that Spider-Man will be the new face of the MCU
A knull movie with Venom in the MCU would be sick. Agent venom on the avengers!
With the upcoming release slates it’s more likely now that Spider-Man 4 will take that February 2026 slot being a set up for Doomsday. They already have a director hired for the movie and the script is being written by the homecoming trilogy writers. Doctor Strange 3 will very well be a set up for Secret wars instead. Sucks though I would have loved to see a spiderman film take place in battleworld
Could Wolverine and Deadpool be the first of many "duo" movies, full of multiversal cameos?
Tom has stated he doesn’t want to play spider man forever and if they are going to reboot (I think they will and have to) it should be a “hard” reboot where most if not all characters are recast. This would allow them to bring in a younger cast and bring back characters like iron man played by different actors.
Miles Morales will be the new Spidey in everything post Secret Wars. Spiderman 4, Doomsday & SW will be the next Tom Holland Trilogy
brand new spider boy in the mcu in 2025 today now yes are no 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Need to have the Avengers fight Knull for the next phase
Spider-Man isn’t known by anyone anymore, I feel like we have to have some street level Spider-Man before he gets back into any group.
I'm just like the Asian guy at the beginning of the video regarding Secret Wars.
LETS GO!
I’m not defending Sony. I’m not defending Marvel, either. I find it slightly hypocritical when I hear “Sony gonna Sony”. Marvel has released trash like The Marvels. Sony owes Marvel nothing. Maybe Marvel is in the way too.
They are crazy if they don't use full characterization, especially on punisher. He has much more potential, much more views & respect could happen from vets. Traditional muay Thai is definitely missing for so long
Spider-Man should get its dark suit like he did in secret wars.
Can Knull attack on BATTPEWORLD?? 🤔
What if Marvel does a Defenders film, so they get they street level movie and Spider-Man is part of the film. Then it ends with Venom and that leads into Spider-Man 4.
Marvel sleeping on Knull is a missed opportunity tho. Lowkey should build him up and after Dr. Doom he comes in. But thats just me.
They should switch Avengers 5 & Spider-man 4’s release dates
So many universes and only one void...
New Rockstars just predicted 60s versions of the avengers in the new fantastic four movie. They predicted a version of Spider-Man in that movie in that universe that could still happen and also get the 616 Spider-Man at the end of the fantastic floor as well fantastic four is looking to be even more epic if they bring in the silver age version of the avengers in this 1960s era of this new universe.
Needs to be all Spider-Man characters. I want to see Norman Osbourne as a big player post-Secret Wars
Hell yeah
RIP headphone users
0:22 dafuq 😮😮😮😮
Tom Hardy Venom needs to go away for ever and they should totally reboot that franchise
Pssss… That’s what they said the first time around.
“Fool Me Once, Shame On You'
I’m over all of this lol. The marvel movies consisted of great solo films then cool end credits then a pair up. That’s all they need to do.
Venom coming into the mcu? That might give birth to some good content 💪
Cosmic spider man vs rdj doom with cosmic powers
We had 6 street level Spider-Man movies already….I WANT MEGA SPIDER EVENTS!! THANK YOU SONY, YOU GOT THIS ONE RIGHT
"hope Sony, doesn't...Sony" 😂
One can dream
This is the shit I wanna hear. Hell yeah brother 🕷️
Marvel doesn't have a Trinity RN and that really sucks
I hope Knull is a multi movie villain