I love Fantano and have always been fine with his reviews, just being him explaining his subjective personal opinions well. One thing I DON'T enjoy about his (or anyone's) reviews is this shift into critiquing themes, artists' views, etc. Her being a "main character" should only be considered a negative if she expresses it badly. We're not supposed to review people or personalities but how they express themselves in art. Bad lyrics are badly written, not conveying things you personally find lame.
Whilst I agree, I do think the artists views and themes are an integral part of what the album is. So whilst I don't think it's bad to give a critique, I think I can be bad to attack them for it. I'm probably guilty of it too but I try not to be too mean about it.
@@IcySnapsYeah Of course, you have to bring it up, but I don't think it should be brought up as a part of what makes the album good or not. If you think an artist is cringe it can help explain why the music is harder to approach for you but it should only be brought up to clarify your bias.
Recién estoy viendo lo que se refieren algunos sobre Fantano hace algunos años por los mismos problemas, yo rajaría sin pelos en la lengua sobre el producto en si, la cereza es si esta persona es una kaka de persona, ejemplo perfecto Blueface, un padre de mierda, peor sabiendo que desde la existencia del embarazo de su mujer (creo) todo fue mal, permitió la ingesta de alcohol durante el embarazo, controversias dignas de un niño...y lanza un álbum imposible de soportar. Ahí si la crítica y el raje a la persona sería válido, aunque obvio no deberían estar de la mano pero en el caso de Halsey...de verdad que faltoso y casi vulgar, por eso ya para esta ocasión y este mes, sólo me referiré a él como cabeza de pin** 🥳🥳
I like where your head is at. I listened to the album, and while I think Fantano was being an ass, In my opinion, the album is a 3/10 and fails to capture her struggles in a meaningful way. For instance, in the first track she says, "I think I'm special 'cause I cut myself wide open. As if it's honorable to bleed." It's hard to sympathize with Halsey.
@@djvg7607 I think it's completely fair to bring up if you find an artist lame. I just think it's slightly different in a review, where there should be some balance between what you think of the artist's personality and whether you think things are well-written or come across as intended. ngl tho, lately I've slowly started to change my view on reviews in general. I'll always prefer someone's genuine expression over something I find less genuine even if it's "better written." Like with his recent Ab-Soul review, Fantano's opinions made sense, but at the same time the album had a very specific purpose I feel he overlooked. I'm rambling. I think my point is that maybe an artist's personality should be seen as context you adjust your review to rather than a negative.
@lordfoxtrot8330 I get what he was saying about the album not being great, but there was definitely some underlying animosity. And thank you! I'm doing pretty good atm:)
To me a 1/10 is the type of album never wanna come across again. You regret even giving it a chnace. Halseys album was by no mean revolutionary but a 1??? Idk there some underlying issues in his reviews. Idk if they are personal or general but man... really takes away a lot of his integrity as a reviewers
Encima él tiene una laaaaaaaarga lista de álbumes que merecían eso y menos de manera directa, pero no... Su "nota good" fue, es y seguirá siendo su salvaguarda
Honestly don't even think the illness needs to be part of the discussion at all. I watched the review with no prior knowledge of or exposure to the album and was still grossed the fuck out. It's just a case of "why say this about someone else" with additional undertones that, if not overtly misogynistic, hit very close to a misogynistic home.
There was definitely an air of spite and some distasteful comments, while I don't think he was intentionally trying to be misogynistic, it did feel a bit aggressive.
His dislike of the album is fine I am just shocked he didn't look into the backstory of the record before giving a score he has only given like 16(?) times.
i wouldn't expect him to give a good score just based on pity or anything. it did feel like an oversight on his part to not even include what the album was clearly about. but yeah a 1 felt dumb to me..
@IcySnapsYeah I mean personally I really disliked the album way before the Fantano review, I think I would give it a Strong 3 or so, but the deep backstory is really what makes the lyrics and concept stick atleast somewhat. If he thinks it's a 1 he can think it's a 1, just shocked he didn't really give much reasoning beside the fair critique of how "impersonated" the album sounds compared to ok there artists.
Talking about yourself doesn’t mean you’re the main character. Being the main character is thinking every problem and situation has to do with you and doesn’t happen to anyone else. It’s ok to make personal music but the way it’s expressed in Halsey’s music feels in a “bubble”. I don’t understand what’s so personal about critiquing that aspect. In my opinion, people take the lyrics super seriously because of the real life cancer, but in any other situation they would most likely come out of a Tones and I or a Tik Tok emo song. Saying that your life sucks doesn’t guarantee good music. If you want a musical example about the “serious” treatment of your own life ending, maybe check out David Bowie’s Blackstar.
I actually agree with most of what you've said. Music that comes from personal experience should be expressed in a way that is relatable. I honestly don't like her album that much either. I think that because the whole album is about her health that there should have been some acknowledgment and understanding as tho why it was so "main characater"
One of the major themes of several of the songs is feeling isolated and abandoned due to her illnesses, a feeling that is so common among those with chronic illness. It feels mean to hear someone with such raw emotion singing about how she feels like a disgusting creature in the eyes of her lover who abandons her when she is literally dying and respond "wow you have main character syndrome and sound like an angsty teen". That feels cruel. Context matters. I'm not saying people automatically have to like the album just because it comes from such a dark and vulnerable place. But we can word criticism in a kind manner. But kindness doesn't get clicks on TH-cam lol
@@IcySnapsYeahthe reason the album maybe named “the great impersonator” is because “the great imitator” is a nickname for SLE the form of lupus Halsey was diagnosed with
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I love Fantano and have always been fine with his reviews, just being him explaining his subjective personal opinions well. One thing I DON'T enjoy about his (or anyone's) reviews is this shift into critiquing themes, artists' views, etc. Her being a "main character" should only be considered a negative if she expresses it badly. We're not supposed to review people or personalities but how they express themselves in art. Bad lyrics are badly written, not conveying things you personally find lame.
Whilst I agree, I do think the artists views and themes are an integral part of what the album is. So whilst I don't think it's bad to give a critique, I think I can be bad to attack them for it. I'm probably guilty of it too but I try not to be too mean about it.
@@IcySnapsYeah Of course, you have to bring it up, but I don't think it should be brought up as a part of what makes the album good or not. If you think an artist is cringe it can help explain why the music is harder to approach for you but it should only be brought up to clarify your bias.
Recién estoy viendo lo que se refieren algunos sobre Fantano hace algunos años por los mismos problemas, yo rajaría sin pelos en la lengua sobre el producto en si, la cereza es si esta persona es una kaka de persona, ejemplo perfecto Blueface, un padre de mierda, peor sabiendo que desde la existencia del embarazo de su mujer (creo) todo fue mal, permitió la ingesta de alcohol durante el embarazo, controversias dignas de un niño...y lanza un álbum imposible de soportar. Ahí si la crítica y el raje a la persona sería válido, aunque obvio no deberían estar de la mano pero en el caso de Halsey...de verdad que faltoso y casi vulgar, por eso ya para esta ocasión y este mes, sólo me referiré a él como cabeza de pin** 🥳🥳
I like where your head is at. I listened to the album, and while I think Fantano was being an ass, In my opinion, the album is a 3/10 and fails to capture her struggles in a meaningful way. For instance, in the first track she says, "I think I'm special 'cause I cut myself wide open. As if it's honorable to bleed." It's hard to sympathize with Halsey.
@@djvg7607 I think it's completely fair to bring up if you find an artist lame. I just think it's slightly different in a review, where there should be some balance between what you think of the artist's personality and whether you think things are well-written or come across as intended.
ngl tho, lately I've slowly started to change my view on reviews in general. I'll always prefer someone's genuine expression over something I find less genuine even if it's "better written." Like with his recent Ab-Soul review, Fantano's opinions made sense, but at the same time the album had a very specific purpose I feel he overlooked.
I'm rambling. I think my point is that maybe an artist's personality should be seen as context you adjust your review to rather than a negative.
Yeah, felt like there's some personal spite there probably because of something happening behind the scenes.
With u all the best with your health
@lordfoxtrot8330 I get what he was saying about the album not being great, but there was definitely some underlying animosity.
And thank you! I'm doing pretty good atm:)
To me a 1/10 is the type of album never wanna come across again. You regret even giving it a chnace. Halseys album was by no mean revolutionary but a 1??? Idk there some underlying issues in his reviews. Idk if they are personal or general but man... really takes away a lot of his integrity as a reviewers
I know it's generally an opinion when it comes to reviews, but yeah, a 1 to me is almost unlistenable. Maybe he was in a bad mood :p
Encima él tiene una laaaaaaaarga lista de álbumes que merecían eso y menos de manera directa, pero no... Su "nota good" fue, es y seguirá siendo su salvaguarda
Honestly don't even think the illness needs to be part of the discussion at all. I watched the review with no prior knowledge of or exposure to the album and was still grossed the fuck out. It's just a case of "why say this about someone else" with additional undertones that, if not overtly misogynistic, hit very close to a misogynistic home.
There was definitely an air of spite and some distasteful comments, while I don't think he was intentionally trying to be misogynistic, it did feel a bit aggressive.
His dislike of the album is fine I am just shocked he didn't look into the backstory of the record before giving a score he has only given like 16(?) times.
i wouldn't expect him to give a good score just based on pity or anything. it did feel like an oversight on his part to not even include what the album was clearly about. but yeah a 1 felt dumb to me..
@IcySnapsYeah I mean personally I really disliked the album way before the Fantano review, I think I would give it a Strong 3 or so, but the deep backstory is really what makes the lyrics and concept stick atleast somewhat. If he thinks it's a 1 he can think it's a 1, just shocked he didn't really give much reasoning beside the fair critique of how "impersonated" the album sounds compared to ok there artists.
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Talking about yourself doesn’t mean you’re the main character. Being the main character is thinking every problem and situation has to do with you and doesn’t happen to anyone else. It’s ok to make personal music but the way it’s expressed in Halsey’s music feels in a “bubble”. I don’t understand what’s so personal about critiquing that aspect.
In my opinion, people take the lyrics super seriously because of the real life cancer, but in any other situation they would most likely come out of a Tones and I or a Tik Tok emo song. Saying that your life sucks doesn’t guarantee good music.
If you want a musical example about the “serious” treatment of your own life ending, maybe check out David Bowie’s Blackstar.
I actually agree with most of what you've said. Music that comes from personal experience should be expressed in a way that is relatable.
I honestly don't like her album that much either. I think that because the whole album is about her health that there should have been some acknowledgment and understanding as tho why it was so "main characater"
One of the major themes of several of the songs is feeling isolated and abandoned due to her illnesses, a feeling that is so common among those with chronic illness. It feels mean to hear someone with such raw emotion singing about how she feels like a disgusting creature in the eyes of her lover who abandons her when she is literally dying and respond "wow you have main character syndrome and sound like an angsty teen". That feels cruel. Context matters. I'm not saying people automatically have to like the album just because it comes from such a dark and vulnerable place. But we can word criticism in a kind manner. But kindness doesn't get clicks on TH-cam lol
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@@hunk88same. Typo detected, opinion rejected 😂😂😂😂
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@@IcySnapsYeahthe reason the album maybe named “the great impersonator” is because “the great imitator” is a nickname for SLE the form of lupus Halsey was diagnosed with
Oh, I didn't know that! Thanks for the info. It adds a bit extra to the meaning!