Wallace and Gromit Vengence Most Fowl was brilliant for portraying its message about the over reliance of technology and the danger of AI in a funny manner rather than as a preachy lecture. Was the highlight of Christmas Day for me
Yeah I stopped watching with Capaldi because of the stupid heavy handed insults against Trump and conservatives and all the narrative and ideological pushing instead of you know, actual plot.
Why should it pick up? Weren't we told by the lead actor, that if we don't like what we see, that we should turn off the TV and go outside to touch the grass? So if we are shown such disrespect why should we care anymore?
Isn't it funny how things that bomb like this are never for us, but we're the ones they blame when they fail? I went and touched grass for like a full hour, and the show still turned out otherwise be garbage.
take into consideration though there was only 50+ reviews unlike other episodes with more than 1000+ so in all fairness we don't know the % of how liked it is due to the fact the people who used to watch the show have moved on, i myself moved on during Jodies' era.
@@shaz2761BBC use little boxes attached to a few thousand TV s . Apparently. Don't know anyone with one , they are probably the 'question time ' Audience. Not exactly representative or informative , just ludicrously extrapolated.
Ncuti Gatwa,: "If you don't like it, leave the door open on your way out. For everyone leaving, three will come in." Well, with the benefit of hindsight, that was kind of a silly statement.
Oh he said that as well did he? Thats a good one. Whitaker said more or less the same thing! She spouted off in one of her interviews/ publicity bits online not long after being announced in the role. She said that for every male fan that does not like a female Doctor Who, a young girl or female fan will replace them. And it did not happen. After the first episode it was downhill with ratings, decline episode by episode and season by season. And the catchup and consolidated and iplayer figures also fell away. Gatwa started at that low level she left the show in and its continued down further still...
I thought that was said by wussels trans mate who he gave a role to because rtd has a troubling obsession with men in dresses and hating women who talk
To be honest, I gave up on Doctor Who after Peter Capaldi. It's not worth watching after that. Your video is the first time I've even thought about Doctor Who in quite a while.
I take that back. I tried watching "The Power of the Doctor" because Tennant came back. I couldn't finish watching it. I hear the final scene was worth a watch, but why bother?
even during capaldi it started getting bad. whenever i think back about that era, i can only think of capaldi’s dr blaming capitalism for something, going “capitalism..capitalism…” and it makes me cringe
@@zitrodivad Yeah, the space miners had to pay for their own air...which makes no sense for a space mining company to operate that way, no matter how "evil" they are.
@@conscientiousobjector5988 I have an anecdote that proves Woke is actually a useless word now. I was browsing the comments of a video, specifically the end credit theme from Agatha All Along, which is an instrumental piece of music, the other week where someone said that this music was woke. I've never snapped in my life but I had to snap back. How can something, with no lyrics, even be woke? It was interesting as people from all sides actually sided with me, especially when someone asked what is woke and got the response anything that's generic. This, in particular caused such a backlash that the original commenter removed every single comment of theirs. Cold hard facts won the day and their argument got absolutely blasted beyond the ether.
@@jukesy1992 I can say the same exact thing about every -ism under the sun. People often throw around terms in instances where they don't truly apply. That doesn't mean actual -ism isn't a thing though.
Ncuti Gatwa is playing the same character from Sex Education. Same character. The Doctor has to have a strong and powerful way about him, a masculinity that is formidable, as well as a sensitivity at times and he does not cut it.
This. The Doctor, in the past, has worked as a character because his actors have played him as a masculine man who chooses to fight with his wits rather than his fists. It's implied he *could* solve problems through force, but he favors pacifism and guile.
Dr Who went the same way as Star Trek for me, crashed so hard to the point they've drove me away and I've watched neither of their new stuff in several years. I watch the classic series whenever I go back to either, almost as if they had something of value to be worth watching back then...
I used to watch old episodes of Star Trek on a weekly basis. I’d rotate between TOS to Enterprise and everything in between. At best now, I pop in an odd episode of TOS and then go months before the next one. The new stuff has actually made me lack interest in the old stuff that I used to love. That and the foolishness of the old actors. The diarrhea coming out of the months of the TNG cast the last decade plus has made it hard to watch TNG.
@@stantonvalberg9814I went to the midnight show of the 2009 film, and came out with a broken heart. I knew it was over at that point and the years since have only reminded me of that truth. It was fun when the TNG episodes came out in theaters to promote the Blu-ray’s, and I thought I could distance myself from the new stuff while still being excited about the old stuff. That didn’t last very long.
Dr Who, Star Trek, and Star Wars (of which I was never a fan, but never mind) were built around ideas of adventure, wonder, and a kind of confidence in human nature. The latest versions show none of this, and indeed hold most of the earlier viewers, especially straight Western males, in contempt. They can't be recovered.
Don't forget the first true franchise killer which was Stargate SGU. That was when I first started seeing what the Critical Drinker has now co8ned as "The Message". First instance of showrunners and their actors denigrating fans of the franchise.
@@Bullfrog-pk6pl I never saw SGU, though I liked the earlier series.If you're right about pushing 'The Message', which made it impossible for me to watch so many shows, that's a great shame. The little I saw of Amanda Tapping, incidentally, always made me feel that she appreciated her audience. I couldn't find The Critical Drinker's review, but you might be interested in Dave Cullen's comments. Best wishes, and thanks for your information.
This show is deader then dead. When the BBC cancelled it in the 80's at least the fanbase was healthy. Fans kept it alive by buying books, VHS releases, conventions, audio dramas. But the BBC chased those fans away. They have walked away in disgust, apathy, and worst of all, they are no longer passing on the love to their kids. If this show goes away then it's over for good. There won't be buying any books, bluray releases, audio dramas, the conventions will get smaller and smaller. Eventually DW will be like Space 1999, or some other old show that people once knew but barely even remember.
Well said. I have been saying the same thing many times since Whitaker and Chibnal. I am one of those fans. I fought like mad to get the show back when it was pulled off air for a while when it was Colin Baker. By the time McCoy was done I was still a fan, just. And I bought the books, then the Videos, then the DvDs and supported the tv movie and 2005 revival. I am sure those older and classic era fans will still be around. I still watch the classic myself. Its the only way to see Doctor Who. And by that I mean the Time Lord from Gallifrey etc as he was and always will be. The classic series is once again keeping the show propped up and alive. As its Iplayer and watch and popularity figures are still respectable for that. Its just the Whitaker / Gatwa version people hate. I just watched the colourised version of War Games and enjoyed the technical aspect of the colour job they did. But as usual the woke twits in charge of Doctor Who still cant resist altering and retconning things. Implying that the War Chief is the Master and jamming in an extra regeneration choice at the end. Whitaker! Oh the horror....They had to dub on Troughton saying yes to that choice as well! Utterly stupid. It would have been great, well fitted and funny to leave it at Capaldi, Smith and Tennant. As they were too old, too thin, and too young perfectly fitting the second Doctors complaints...
Tbh if they had just canceled it after Capaldi they'd probably still have a decent fan base spending their disposable income on merch... but now they've probably destroyed that too.
Space 1999 may not be in production but it certainly hasn't been forgotten. There has been a steady stream of new, detailed model kits and collectors models etc as well as publications direct from Anderson productions. Maybe an older show such as The Invaders would be a better example but I wouldn't disrespect any of those shows by comparing them to Dr Woke.
Yes. And people are doing exactly that. Just not bothering. Fans are gone, classic and 2005 era a like and now its more or less lost the casual audience. People are treating it with contempt. The very fact it only got 4 million viewers when a few hours later twice that number and more watched W&G and then later still more than three times that number were there for Gavin and Stacy. A show without 60 years of history. Without a massive fanbase worldwide.
@@shaz2761that could have been recovered with a better actor and writer. To actively spit in the face of Who lore with the timeless child can't be forgiven
@@MrWiggsy4 nah. It's like having a male Wonder Woman or a white guy playing Blade. A womxn does not suit the role of the Doctor. I would argue that a blxck person doesnt either.
@@shaz2761 Yes but Timeless Child etc finished it off. It was a huge kick in the doobries for any fans still watching. I find it ironic that the War Games colour edit, covering the Doctors back story is released this year and is doing well despite its alterations and edits. And the Whitaker era made all of that ten part epic meaningless in the worst story, the worst acting and the worst Doctor I had ever seen to that point. Till Gatwa and RTD part two that is....
Exactly. They’re trying to ruin all the greats by rebooting them with woke in the drivers seat. You name it they’ll eventually get around to ruining it.
@@radioflyer68911 Yeap that they will, of course we are getting to the end of the list. The only thing I can think of is Stargate, maybe some classic sci-fi literature, but they have ruined everything else. It’s so frustrating. I just wonder how much more money can these franchises lose.
I doubt BBC would worry if the viewing figures for Doctor Who were 500,000 As they are not a commercial organisation but are entirely funded by the peasantry, as they view the public, all they care about is the message.
The Doctor is not (conventionally) cool. He’s not a stylish dresser. He doesn’t have romantic interests. He’s not a demigod. He should not be young (Matt Smith being an exception because he met the other criteria).
Young-ish is fine, in my opinion. Peter Davison had an impossible job following up after Tom Baker, but he did well with the role. Young can work if there are reminders in his bearing that he may look young but he's lived for hundreds of years.
@ChaoticYak1 I thought Davidson was a huge let down. He had a celery stick stuck to his lapel . He also lacked the character and charisma for the part.
@@DeeJay003 Yes he was. At the time. But who else could you get to follow Tom Baker? Anyone was going to be a let down. He was a very odd choice at the time though, I thought. I still watched it and enjoyed it, despite it being Davidson. Stories like Visitation, Earthshock, Caves of Androzani etc.....if they had picked another and better actor then, how different it would have been. I have grown to enjoy the Davidson era over the years. Especially compared to the crap it all is now. I found it works better if you watch it after time has passed, and not straight after Tom, as you are just wishing he was still the Doctor. That is what I was doing at the time.
RTD has confirmed 'The Message' is the most important thing for him. He has betrayed his own exuberance and love of Doctor Who that he expressed when he brought back the 9th Doctor.
People forget that RTD had others around him that tempered him but as the virus infected front and back of house at the BBC the tempering mechanism was removed.
Prehaps, but it would require a few things: 1. Writers who are genuine fans 2. A will by the owners to let it be revived and not have nonsense shoved into it 3. A small budget 4. The right timing The main problem these days is that the owners simply do not care. Just look at Star Wars, for example, Disney bought it to corner the boys' market in toys along with Marvel, but then they began trying to turn them into girl brands, and now they are failed brands due to gross mismanagement, the higher ups of Disney are out of touch in a serious way, and these days if something good is produced for their failed properties, it more likely to flop because they have chased off their audiences in favour of phantoms, so for the brands to be fixed, there needs to be a will to fix them but also an audience to see them and currently there isn't either!! Boys are not interested in Star Wars or Marvel right now, but Sonic and it's beating Disney movies easily with less screens!!
@@superomegaprimemk2 You are right about Disney. They bought Star Wars and Marvel because at the time they said they had nothing to appeal to young boys. They had all kinds of things to appeal to girls. They wanted to get something dads would watch with their sons. Well they did, and after a few years they turned them into girl brands and lost the audience they were trying to go for when they bought them. And girls still weren't interested in them. So they lost a lot.
Dr. Who? More like Dr. How. As in "How the hell is this still show on?" I gave the show the benefit of the doubt after Capaldi. It was preachy garbage. Daleks couldn't kill the doctor. Neither could Cybermen, the Ood, or even the terrifying Weeping Angels. Woke bullshit, however killed our favorite Time Lord.
To be fair, Capaldi is a brilliant actor. He played a really conflicted character on the last season of Torchwood. Some of the episodes with him, were quite good. Not all.
What could repair the damage? Well, retconning everything to the end of Capaldi's run, and having a non-mind sickness afflicted TV company running the show would help.
But how? Didn't they do away with the re-generations recently with the limited amount of Doctors before they could die? Really, all they could do, is have Gatwa leave, like he was Poochie on the Simpsons, have Tenant return again (who is too big an actor to stay more than for a few actually good episodes), and start again with an established theater actor, willing to deal with the pressure to resurrect? I don't see a way out of the hole BBC, Davies, and Disney dug, and this is with a series that involves "timey-winey" time travel, and regenerations, which allowed over 50 years of stories. The miscast here, and terrible writing, it's not something you can use an actual time machine on.
There's nothing remotely Doctor Who-ish about the new era.. that last season was almost like a parody show! It is completely different from what the show has been so good at for 60 years!! Yes it was always sort of political but it was done through storytelling.. it was clever and made the audience think and question things! And it never forced worldviews on them!! Pandering to a small group of people whilst isolating and making fun of the majority of people on the other side is a bad way to treat your audience as your going to quickly lose the average viewer.. and the average viewer are the ones keeping the money coming in! RTD is a joke and a shadow of his former self! No wonder Christopher Eccleston left when he did. He was ahead of his time!
Like said in another comment: "Sack Russell T Davies," Eccleston stated. "Sack Jane Tranter. Sack Phil Collinson. Sack Julie Gardner. And I'll come back. So can you arrange that?"
@zeddwulfen7737 Yeah, I guess so. Some episodes could be argued as being slightly left leaning, but the left back then wasn't what it is now. Overall, I think it was morals and ideas your probably right there
Because they get money from broadcasting licenses and not actual viewership they'll run the series for another 10 seasons spreading "the message" until it's not even a shell of it's former glory, then when it's over they'll call everyone racist for not being grateful they ruined one of the longest and most beloved franchises in TV history.
The BBC have no one to blame but themselves with what happened to Dr. Who. I use to catch Dr. Who every week when it was on. But in my own head cannon it ended with Capaldi. I was told that the BBC didn't need me and I would not be missed as I wasn't the fan they wanted to keep. But despite what they claimed they didn't get enough new fans to replace us. I still watch the Classic series and I re-watch the stories before the end of the Capaldi era. Though the Capaldi era wasn't all that great on the story wise, he was a good Doctor and just wished he had some better quality writing in a lot of his stories. But I do love the 2 part story "Under the Lake" and "Before the Flood". My opinion that is the best one of his series. My idea to restart the series is get some writers who actually like the show and characters and want to tell some good stories, and not push a "message", and start the series with the Capaldi regeneration and have him either regenerate into someone else, or back to himself, and explain it that he didn't learn whatever the Universe was trying to teach him with this regeneration, and just pretend that the Chibnal and second RTD era never happened. Because I can't see how you can reconcile what they did to cannon. And for the dozen or so fans of what they did to the series, well they can go buy blu-ray copies and re-watch those stories as often as they like. I doubt it will happen, but that is what I would do if I was in charge.
Yes it seems that is what most people did. I am pretty sure the people that actually watched all the way from start to end wont be 4 million people. It will be lucky if its still 2 million like the last series was. The catchup / consolidated and Iplayer ratings after a week will be telling as well. I am betting all of the other methods wont add up to or equal the live figure, so they wont be able to claim people are watching it more via different methods instead. That argument is stone dead when the next show more than doubled the viewing figures of Doctor Who...
@Simon-xc5oy Also I think another thing that did not help was the timeslot. Usually Doctor Who is heired closer to 6 PM, but they put W&G in that slot, making it the CHristmas primetime family viewing, and perhaps for very, very good reason because that was an absolute triumph and an amazing thing to do, easily topping Doctor Who, by a landslide.
Similar to Ms Marvel being a smash hit, sitting between two surefire Marvel Endgame winners. She got lucky. Dr Who got lucky with 4.11 million viewers. Most tagged along waiting for our W&G favourites.
What's really sad is how low the ratings are given how much more money they have been spending. The fact that the show used to have shoestring budget and was doing better.
I'm sure they'll say that the 4 million who did watch are their target market, so they got 100 percent of the viewers they were looking for = Unmitigated Success!!
@@shaz2761 Yes and no. That would only work if everything else that day got about the same. But Wallace got way more and Gav etc got more than three times as many. Which proves once and for all that there is still a live tv audience out there to be had. If you make something people enjoy, that they want to see. And especially on Christmas Day. If you cant get high figures then, with everyone at home, shops shut etc you may as well give up.
I seems as if the recent and current producers, writers and actors have actual hate for the audience of all those shows. They don’t like us, and must ruin what we enjoy.
I think Eccleston said it best: "Sack Russell T Davies," he stated. "Sack Jane Tranter. Sack Phil Collinson. Sack Julie Gardner. And I'll come back. So can you arrange that?" Thats all of them that need fired, before it will turn around - the ship is sinking faster than the titanic! Do i think they will? No, do i think its salvageable now? No, its just not possible to do that with the bullshit politics that has been put on show.
This is the show that made me cancel Disney + . I barely watched anything on it anyway and I was once a fan Of DR Who and watched 2 episodes of Gatwa and thought holy crap why am I even paying for this and had no good answer so I canceled and have not missed it. I only watched three and a half episodes of Whittaker she was horrible too. I have seen every episode of Dr Who other than for those two.
Why didn't Disney + also buy the streaming rights to classic Who, or at least modern Who? It probably could have been thrown into the deal, at no cost. Instead....
I've watched the contemporary return of the show with two other doctors. When I watched this, it seems to be a bit more clean and upbeat. Is that the part you take contention with?
@ There are those on the woke spectrum who keep insisting society isn’t woke enough. They can’t define what a woman is and they refer to paedophiles as “minor-attracted people”. I’m guessing you belong to that crowd.
Star Wars: done. Star Trek: done. Indiana Jones: done. Doctor Who: done. Marvel: done. DC: done. Can we all move on now and see something new? Please? 🙏🏼
It's at a narrative dead end. Capaldi is an excellent actor, but they'd run out of strings of consistently good stories sometime around the Matt Smith era.
Modern Dr Who is the TV equivalent of a never ending nightmare, one where your stuck in the Tardis. But in this version the Tardis is a one seat public lavatory instead of a police phone box and your suffering a bad case of the runs/delly belly with only that cheap waxy toilet paper from 70's/80's primary school that just smudges everything and never really absorbs anything to help, all the while the theme tune runs in an endless loop in the background...
If it were possible, I would happily swap the entire revival series - including any future episodes - for the return of the missing Classic Series episodes. Come to that, I would swap all of NuWho for just ONE missing story. Or even one episode from a missing story... 😐
For comparison Christmas Carol 12.11 audience score 83 Doctor the widow wardrobe 10.77 audience 84 The snowmen 9.87 audience 87 Time of the doctor 11.14 audience 83 Last Christmas 8.28 audience 82
I think it's wholly inaccurate to refer to consolidated viewing figures because it may be populated by the same viewers re-watching the programme. Dr Who viewers typically watch an episode more than once.
I bowed out during capaldi era. But since timeless child im officially done with doctor who. Absolute travesty that was allowed to air. Now i wont even watch any new who
Prime time on BBC1 on Christmas Day, competition at the time was a Hitchcock film, a clip show, and (IIRC) repeats. 4M viewers. Call The Midwife, Gavin and Stacey, Wallace and Gromit, 'Stenders, and the King's Christmas Speech all did better on the BBC alone.
Disney being involved with the Doctor is the worst thing to happen. They destroy everything they touch. Why BBC did that “cooperation” is beyond understanding.
I quit watching the show during Peter Capaldi's era. I like Capaldi, he is a fine actor, but the writing became unbearable. I tried watching the pilot episode of the lady Doctor I forget her name but only managed about 20 minutes, adults using the word "fam" turns out is triggering to me. Not watched a second of this new guy and it never occurred to me to watch it on Christmas day. A genuine shame.
Heh....I know what you mean. "Fam." What an annoying and stupid term. From an annoying and stupid egotistical woman. I hated that phrase...I only ever managed to suffer through one of her stories as I hated the idea of a female Doctor. Turns out it was the Timeless Child and I only watched to shut up the people who were moaning at me for not liking it. According to them I could not possibly comment on it if I had not seen any. Turns out I was right though as it was indeed, utter crap and as bad if not worse than I expected. It took me a while to understand just what it was she was saying and meant by "fam." Something no Doctor has ever said in that context. But my biggest hate was her accent. I live on the borders of Yorkshire and what she was doing was not Yorkshire at all but some weird hybrid half mess. I dont sound like her and I dont sound like I am from anywhere in particular as I have tried over years to not do so. I am more R.P. English, as its so iconic and sounds so much better. Her version of that was truly dreadful. The way she formed the words. She pronounces no as neeeerrrrrrr! So when anyone asked her something it was....I dont Neeeerrrrrrrr! From Tom Baker to that. You can keep it. Every time she opened her mouth or her slack jawed gawking face appeared that triggered me. Never again.
I choose to believe that Peter Capaldi’s regeneration was so powerful and stressful that it actually ruptured time and space itself and caused an alternate timeline where doctor who is still enjoyable.
You cant get holiday special ratings up on a show that NOBODY watches normally. These people will demolish EVERY beloved IP one at a time, just to use them as a megaphone until there is no one left paying attention.
I've mentioned on a few channels, I think it will get a season 3 with Gatwa, but it won't be funded by disney (but probably distributed) and it won't be a full season - probably 3 or 4 specials (like Tennant had in 09/10 for his last season) which the BBC will fund so they can say he had his "standard" 3 seasons and then they'll go into hiatus. Disney has turned the show from a family show to a young children's show, and it really hasn't worked, although the damage was done by Jodie Whittaker, and Chris "Ballchinian" Chibnall. It's limped on since then with pitiful viewership and lost many fans.
I would have NEVER trusted Chris Chibnall with Doctor Who since his interview on Open Air; th-cam.com/video/EHcvPRhjEqw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0Ji2oufR4-7dEaKS To put it simply it was a disaster waiting to happen - and it did happen.
No you didn't watch it INSTEAD. Wallace & Gromit was on BBC 1 immediately following this Doctor Who Xmas episode so you could have watched both if you wished.
Can we stop blaming "the Message". It's certainly not helping, but that's not the real issue anymore. (at least not with Doctor Who, sure it's a part of the over all problem, but not worth focusing on) What went wrong with Joy to The World was that it was a cute 15 minute idea stretched, tortured and abused to fit into an hour long episode. It wasn't even a special, it was an hour long. Specials should be hour and a half. We had two hour long specials back in the day! No, the real issue is that these writers are done. They're tapped out. The creative well has run dry. They might have the occasional good idea left in the tank, but it's not enough. RTD, Moffat and especially Chibnall need to step back. Find new blood with fresh ideas and let them go.
I found Doctor Who 2005 with the reboot, watch all episodes multiple times up to Mat Smiths departure, then It kind of lost the magic. I was interested with the idea of a female doctor, but that fell flat 3-4 episodes in with Jodie.
I always think they missed a trick, they could have proven everyone wrong with a well written female doctor but instead just trash writing, no character development at all, I mean how do you waste Bradley Walsh?
I liked Capaldi's acting okay, but it was a shame...such a fan and he was forced to act on THOSE stories. Especially that travesty that put down the late Hartnell's Doctor.
@@mw56101 Bradley Walsh? He is not an actor. He is a presenter / game show host! The bits I saw of Whitaker and her era were bad enough. People kept saying Walsh was the best thing in it. When I watched some, he REALLY wasn't. But he looked so much better than Whitaker Yaz and that other bloke, but then that would not be hard. Same with Jo Martin. She was just an average actor from the Bill and Casualty etc but the rest of them were that bad she looked like Meryl Streep in comparison. The whole thing took me back to the worst excesses of stunt casting of the late 80s with the likes of Bonny Langford, Richard Briers and Ken Dodd and Nicholas Parsons...all put there to say - "Look!!! Its a star name! Look! We have got Ken Dodd and he is in Doctor Who!!" And all the time forgetting that it needs a decent story and other good actors to make it work...
@Simon-xc5oy he's an actor as well, a man of many talents. He was in Coronation Street for years, and Law and Order UK. Ultimately I thought the stories were poor and boring. That Rosa Parkes episode, was so dull, an important event (to Americans) but not an episode of Sci Fi. Did that baddy ever come back, I assumed (when I still had faith in it as a show) that with that gun being a teleportation device he'd come back into it, because surely he can't be just a pointless one off unknown bad guy.
Just take everything to ludicrous extremes, then have a "Crisis of infinite Doctors" event to purge the timeline back to Capaldi (I'd even erase the War Doctor from history) Just the 12 real Doctors in a row, then re-start from there.
@@JerryNapper Agree. War Doctor, put a lot of things together, and explained why there was a gap on Dr. Who Eight, with the esteemed John Hurt, and Tennant and Matt Smith. And a cameo by Baker.
This isn't the Doctor. The Doctor was charming, intelligent, diplomatic, brave, and a man action. Sometimes he was a quirky idiot, a troubled spirit, a bit cynical, and afraid but ultimately came through. The last few stand ins have been none of these characteristics. The last few "Doctors" who have been cowards, annoying morons, or something else entirely that breaks what makes the series work.
I also don't understand where this idea came from that The Doctor is a "madman in a box". Madness and obsession are aspects of the Master's character, the Doctor is more of a curious compassionate rebel.
What is really needed is a Doctor Who parody series in order to take the matter out of the BBC's hands and return to its roots of good science fiction and fantasy coupled with good writing. Not only would the series parody Doctor Who but everything else. I can easily watch Tom Baker in the same story multiple times and it never gets old as it like an old friend.
I don’t know about joy to the world, but seeing the ratings plunge for this woke rubbish brings joy to me. At this point I just want to see it cancelled and put out of its misery. I’d sooner watch Timelash on an infinite loop than a single second of this crap.
This is not Doctor Who.
nope. ater the chick with the suspenders took over for capaldi, Who is dead on arrival.
This is Doctor What the F^$^?
@@jamesedgewood4643 You should have at least 1000 thumbs up with your comment.
It’s Dr. Why. Why the hell do we have this garbage?
It is definitely not. They killed it.
Wallace And Gromit, which was on straight after Dr Who on the same channel, managed 9.38m
well wallace and gromit are cool. Dr. Who USED to be cool.
That makes sense though because as Dr who was on every other channel had a live paint drying show so naturally we all rather would watch that
Wallace and Gromit Vengence Most Fowl was brilliant for portraying its message about the over reliance of technology and the danger of AI in a funny manner rather than as a preachy lecture. Was the highlight of Christmas Day for me
Wallace and Gromit should stick to 20 minutes
That point says it all, really! Love it.
The problem is they don't care about anything except 'The Message' and this has been made clear year on year
They care about taking their PreP
What is the message?
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Oh yeah. I forgot this show still exists.
Which is sad because I grew up enthralled by DW, Star Trek, and Star Wars.
Legit though
DWoo Who
Yeah I stopped watching with Capaldi because of the stupid heavy handed insults against Trump and conservatives and all the narrative and ideological pushing instead of you know, actual plot.
It doesn't. Lol.
Why should it pick up?
Weren't we told by the lead actor, that if we don't like what we see, that we should turn off the TV and go outside to touch the grass?
So if we are shown such disrespect why should we care anymore?
I feel like I’ve touched more grass than snoop dog since Ncuti took over as the Doctor
To coin a familiar phrase, without respect, we reject.
But they told us it wasn't for us!
"Touch grass", right? 😊
I tried touching the grass, and it was a huge improvement!
Yup, they said "don't watch" so.... 🤷♂️
Isn't it funny how things that bomb like this are never for us, but we're the ones they blame when they fail? I went and touched grass for like a full hour, and the show still turned out otherwise be garbage.
Saint David of Tennant told us to f*** off.
39% liked it? The hell is wrong with them?
take into consideration though there was only 50+ reviews unlike other episodes with more than 1000+ so in all fairness we don't know the % of how liked it is due to the fact the people who used to watch the show have moved on, i myself moved on during Jodies' era.
Paid shills and bots
39% of people still watching. Most of the audience has left.
Rigged
@@shaz2761BBC use little boxes attached to a few thousand TV s . Apparently. Don't know anyone with one , they are probably the 'question time ' Audience. Not exactly representative or informative , just ludicrously extrapolated.
Ncuti Gatwa,: "If you don't like it, leave the door open on your way out. For everyone leaving, three will come in." Well, with the benefit of hindsight, that was kind of a silly statement.
Hope that was the show he was referring to 😉
I wonder if he's referring to the boats?
Oh he said that as well did he? Thats a good one. Whitaker said more or less the same thing! She spouted off in one of her interviews/ publicity bits online not long after being announced in the role. She said that for every male fan that does not like a female Doctor Who, a young girl or female fan will replace them. And it did not happen. After the first episode it was downhill with ratings, decline episode by episode and season by season. And the catchup and consolidated and iplayer figures also fell away. Gatwa started at that low level she left the show in and its continued down further still...
For every person that left, 0.03 entered.
I thought that was said by wussels trans mate who he gave a role to because rtd has a troubling obsession with men in dresses and hating women who talk
To be honest, I gave up on Doctor Who after Peter Capaldi. It's not worth watching after that. Your video is the first time I've even thought about Doctor Who in quite a while.
I take that back. I tried watching "The Power of the Doctor" because Tennant came back. I couldn't finish watching it. I hear the final scene was worth a watch, but why bother?
Capaldi and Coleman were too notch I thought. Heaven sent was an excellent episode. But once Coleman left, it turned to garbage.
even during capaldi it started getting bad. whenever i think back about that era, i can only think of capaldi’s dr blaming capitalism for something, going “capitalism..capitalism…” and it makes me cringe
@@zitrodivad Yeah, the space miners had to pay for their own air...which makes no sense for a space mining company to operate that way, no matter how "evil" they are.
@@zitrodivad Charging space miners for air is silly and makes no sense.
The bridge is under water at this point and people largely don't care about Woke Who
What is Woke?
Doctor Woke
@@conscientiousobjector5988 Being woke means you're a loser.
@@conscientiousobjector5988 I have an anecdote that proves Woke is actually a useless word now. I was browsing the comments of a video, specifically the end credit theme from Agatha All Along, which is an instrumental piece of music, the other week where someone said that this music was woke. I've never snapped in my life but I had to snap back. How can something, with no lyrics, even be woke? It was interesting as people from all sides actually sided with me, especially when someone asked what is woke and got the response anything that's generic. This, in particular caused such a backlash that the original commenter removed every single comment of theirs. Cold hard facts won the day and their argument got absolutely blasted beyond the ether.
@@jukesy1992 I can say the same exact thing about every -ism under the sun. People often throw around terms in instances where they don't truly apply. That doesn't mean actual -ism isn't a thing though.
Ncuti Gatwa is playing the same character from Sex Education. Same character. The Doctor has to have a strong and powerful way about him, a masculinity that is formidable, as well as a sensitivity at times and he does not cut it.
Stoicism seems lost on him.
This. The Doctor, in the past, has worked as a character because his actors have played him as a masculine man who chooses to fight with his wits rather than his fists. It's implied he *could* solve problems through force, but he favors pacifism and guile.
You seem to be overanalyzing it.
Why? The original Dr is a woman, so I can understand the current Dr situation.
Playing himself. Not acting therefore not an actor
Dr Who went the same way as Star Trek for me, crashed so hard to the point they've drove me away and I've watched neither of their new stuff in several years. I watch the classic series whenever I go back to either, almost as if they had something of value to be worth watching back then...
Yeah, new Trek broke my heart.
BTW... Kirk was the best captain.
I'm the same. After a bit of a break from new Trek, I had so much hope with the 2009 Trek movie.
I used to watch old episodes of Star Trek on a weekly basis. I’d rotate between TOS to Enterprise and everything in between. At best now, I pop in an odd episode of TOS and then go months before the next one. The new stuff has actually made me lack interest in the old stuff that I used to love. That and the foolishness of the old actors. The diarrhea coming out of the months of the TNG cast the last decade plus has made it hard to watch TNG.
@@stantonvalberg9814I went to the midnight show of the 2009 film, and came out with a broken heart. I knew it was over at that point and the years since have only reminded me of that truth. It was fun when the TNG episodes came out in theaters to promote the Blu-ray’s, and I thought I could distance myself from the new stuff while still being excited about the old stuff. That didn’t last very long.
Dr Who, Star Trek, and Star Wars (of which I was never a fan, but never mind) were built around ideas of adventure, wonder, and a kind of confidence in human nature. The latest versions show none of this, and indeed hold most of the earlier viewers, especially straight Western males, in contempt. They can't be recovered.
your right its not for us straight Western males
Ya, my hot take has been that Star Wars was always bad. It's just g@y and bad now.
Don't forget the first true franchise killer which was Stargate SGU. That was when I first started seeing what the Critical Drinker has now co8ned as "The Message". First instance of showrunners and their actors denigrating fans of the franchise.
@@Bullfrog-pk6pl I never saw SGU, though I liked the earlier series.If you're right about pushing 'The Message', which made it impossible for me to watch so many shows, that's a great shame. The little I saw of Amanda Tapping, incidentally, always made me feel that she appreciated her audience. I couldn't find The Critical Drinker's review, but you might be interested in Dave Cullen's comments. Best wishes, and thanks for your information.
"straight Western males" is not really correct. Such things are an affront to all normal people across the entire globe... Male or Female.
This show is deader then dead. When the BBC cancelled it in the 80's at least the fanbase was healthy. Fans kept it alive by buying books, VHS releases, conventions, audio dramas. But the BBC chased those fans away. They have walked away in disgust, apathy, and worst of all, they are no longer passing on the love to their kids. If this show goes away then it's over for good. There won't be buying any books, bluray releases, audio dramas, the conventions will get smaller and smaller. Eventually DW will be like Space 1999, or some other old show that people once knew but barely even remember.
Spot on
Except...a lot of us remember Space 1999 though...
Well said. I have been saying the same thing many times since Whitaker and Chibnal. I am one of those fans. I fought like mad to get the show back when it was pulled off air for a while when it was Colin Baker. By the time McCoy was done I was still a fan, just. And I bought the books, then the Videos, then the DvDs and supported the tv movie and 2005 revival. I am sure those older and classic era fans will still be around. I still watch the classic myself. Its the only way to see Doctor Who. And by that I mean the Time Lord from Gallifrey etc as he was and always will be. The classic series is once again keeping the show propped up and alive. As its Iplayer and watch and popularity figures are still respectable for that. Its just the Whitaker / Gatwa version people hate. I just watched the colourised version of War Games and enjoyed the technical aspect of the colour job they did. But as usual the woke twits in charge of Doctor Who still cant resist altering and retconning things. Implying that the War Chief is the Master and jamming in an extra regeneration choice at the end. Whitaker! Oh the horror....They had to dub on Troughton saying yes to that choice as well! Utterly stupid. It would have been great, well fitted and funny to leave it at Capaldi, Smith and Tennant. As they were too old, too thin, and too young perfectly fitting the second Doctors complaints...
Tbh if they had just canceled it after Capaldi they'd probably still have a decent fan base spending their disposable income on merch... but now they've probably destroyed that too.
Space 1999 may not be in production but it certainly hasn't been forgotten. There has been a steady stream of new, detailed model kits and collectors models etc as well as publications direct from Anderson productions.
Maybe an older show such as The Invaders would be a better example but I wouldn't disrespect any of those shows by comparing them to Dr Woke.
Continuity has to repaired before I'll ever watch this show again.
It's not made for you, time to treat these shows how they treat you with contempt.
Yes. And people are doing exactly that. Just not bothering. Fans are gone, classic and 2005 era a like and now its more or less lost the casual audience. People are treating it with contempt. The very fact it only got 4 million viewers when a few hours later twice that number and more watched W&G and then later still more than three times that number were there for Gavin and Stacy. A show without 60 years of history. Without a massive fanbase worldwide.
The Timeless Children ruined the show.
It destroyed The Doctor's and Timelord's origin.
No, having a womxn doctor ruined it way before that.
@@shaz2761that could have been recovered with a better actor and writer. To actively spit in the face of Who lore with the timeless child can't be forgiven
@@MrWiggsy4 nah. It's like having a male Wonder Woman or a white guy playing Blade. A womxn does not suit the role of the Doctor. I would argue that a blxck person doesnt either.
@@shaz2761 Yes but Timeless Child etc finished it off. It was a huge kick in the doobries for any fans still watching. I find it ironic that the War Games colour edit, covering the Doctors back story is released this year and is doing well despite its alterations and edits. And the Whitaker era made all of that ten part epic meaningless in the worst story, the worst acting and the worst Doctor I had ever seen to that point. Till Gatwa and RTD part two that is....
Davies doesn't care. He thinks all his critics are "ming-mongs." Ratings don't matter to these people.
Agreed all the old big franchises are dead.
Exactly. They’re trying to ruin all the greats by rebooting them with woke in the drivers seat. You name it they’ll eventually get around to ruining it.
yes and what is the one thing that they all hace in common? They all went woke!
@@radioflyer68911 Yeap that they will, of course we are getting to the end of the list. The only thing I can think of is Stargate, maybe some classic sci-fi literature, but they have ruined everything else. It’s so frustrating. I just wonder how much more money can these franchises lose.
Bond isnt quite dead yet.
@@Jezza_One The laser beam is getting very close though. Broccoli is determined to kill it.
I honestly thought Dr. Who stopped airing. I didn’t realize they’re still making episodes. It stopped being good YEARS ago.
you aren’t missing anything
At this point you couldn't pay me to watch Doctor Who.
I doubt BBC would worry if the viewing figures for Doctor Who were 500,000 As they are not a commercial organisation but are entirely funded by the peasantry, as they view the public, all they care about is the message.
The Doctor is not (conventionally) cool. He’s not a stylish dresser. He doesn’t have romantic interests. He’s not a demigod. He should not be young (Matt Smith being an exception because he met the other criteria).
Mysterious, Kind (even if gruff about it), and a force for good. Newest Doctors are none of that.
Young-ish is fine, in my opinion. Peter Davison had an impossible job following up after Tom Baker, but he did well with the role. Young can work if there are reminders in his bearing that he may look young but he's lived for hundreds of years.
@ChaoticYak1 I thought Davidson was a huge let down. He had a celery stick stuck to his lapel . He also lacked the character and charisma for the part.
Matt Smith, I think at least, projected “oldness” despite being a young actor. He was believable as a very old doctor in a younger body.
@@DeeJay003 Yes he was. At the time. But who else could you get to follow Tom Baker? Anyone was going to be a let down. He was a very odd choice at the time though, I thought. I still watched it and enjoyed it, despite it being Davidson. Stories like Visitation, Earthshock, Caves of Androzani etc.....if they had picked another and better actor then, how different it would have been. I have grown to enjoy the Davidson era over the years. Especially compared to the crap it all is now. I found it works better if you watch it after time has passed, and not straight after Tom, as you are just wishing he was still the Doctor. That is what I was doing at the time.
RTD has confirmed 'The Message' is the most important thing for him.
He has betrayed his own exuberance and love of Doctor Who that he expressed when he brought back the 9th Doctor.
People forget that RTD had others around him that tempered him but as the virus infected front and back of house at the BBC the tempering mechanism was removed.
Even then he was using it to promote sodomy.
Every single one of these franchises CAN be fixed, but they will not be fixed, by choice.
Prehaps, but it would require a few things:
1. Writers who are genuine fans
2. A will by the owners to let it be revived and not have nonsense shoved into it
3. A small budget
4. The right timing
The main problem these days is that the owners simply do not care. Just look at Star Wars, for example, Disney bought it to corner the boys' market in toys along with Marvel, but then they began trying to turn them into girl brands, and now they are failed brands due to gross mismanagement, the higher ups of Disney are out of touch in a serious way, and these days if something good is produced for their failed properties, it more likely to flop because they have chased off their audiences in favour of phantoms, so for the brands to be fixed, there needs to be a will to fix them but also an audience to see them and currently there isn't either!! Boys are not interested in Star Wars or Marvel right now, but Sonic and it's beating Disney movies easily with less screens!!
@@superomegaprimemk2 You are right about Disney. They bought Star Wars and Marvel because at the time they said they had nothing to appeal to young boys. They had all kinds of things to appeal to girls. They wanted to get something dads would watch with their sons. Well they did, and after a few years they turned them into girl brands and lost the audience they were trying to go for when they bought them. And girls still weren't interested in them. So they lost a lot.
"Let it go, let it go, stop giving these creeps your dough."
I haven't given the entertainment industry money in at least 4 years.
Dr. Who? More like Dr. How. As in "How the hell is this still show on?"
I gave the show the benefit of the doubt after Capaldi. It was preachy garbage. Daleks couldn't kill the doctor. Neither could Cybermen, the Ood, or even the terrifying Weeping Angels. Woke bullshit, however killed our favorite Time Lord.
To be fair, Capaldi is a brilliant actor. He played a really conflicted character on the last season of Torchwood. Some of the episodes with him, were quite good. Not all.
What could repair the damage? Well, retconning everything to the end of Capaldi's run, and having a non-mind sickness afflicted TV company running the show would help.
But how? Didn't they do away with the re-generations recently with the limited amount of Doctors before they could die? Really, all they could do, is have Gatwa leave, like he was Poochie on the Simpsons, have Tenant return again (who is too big an actor to stay more than for a few actually good episodes), and start again with an established theater actor, willing to deal with the pressure to resurrect? I don't see a way out of the hole BBC, Davies, and Disney dug, and this is with a series that involves "timey-winey" time travel, and regenerations, which allowed over 50 years of stories. The miscast here, and terrible writing, it's not something you can use an actual time machine on.
There's nothing remotely Doctor Who-ish about the new era.. that last season was almost like a parody show! It is completely different from what the show has been so good at for 60 years!!
Yes it was always sort of political but it was done through storytelling.. it was clever and made the audience think and question things! And it never forced worldviews on them!!
Pandering to a small group of people whilst isolating and making fun of the majority of people on the other side is a bad way to treat your audience as your going to quickly lose the average viewer.. and the average viewer are the ones keeping the money coming in!
RTD is a joke and a shadow of his former self! No wonder Christopher Eccleston left when he did. He was ahead of his time!
Like said in another comment: "Sack Russell T Davies," Eccleston stated. "Sack Jane Tranter. Sack Phil Collinson. Sack Julie Gardner. And I'll come back. So can you arrange that?"
Was it really political or was it about morals and ideals?
@zeddwulfen7737 Yeah, I guess so. Some episodes could be argued as being slightly left leaning, but the left back then wasn't what it is now. Overall, I think it was morals and ideas your probably right there
Doctor who was also very wholesome, but lately has been constantly promoting degeneracy.
This needs to be referred to as "Disney's Doctor Who"....it's not Doctor Who.
Because they get money from broadcasting licenses and not actual viewership they'll run the series for another 10 seasons spreading "the message" until it's not even a shell of it's former glory, then when it's over they'll call everyone racist for not being grateful they ruined one of the longest and most beloved franchises in TV history.
Gaslighting 101. Theyll call you crazy if you believe theyre gaslighting, which is gaslighting.
The BBC have no one to blame but themselves with what happened to Dr. Who. I use to catch Dr. Who every week when it was on. But in my own head cannon it ended with Capaldi. I was told that the BBC didn't need me and I would not be missed as I wasn't the fan they wanted to keep. But despite what they claimed they didn't get enough new fans to replace us. I still watch the Classic series and I re-watch the stories before the end of the Capaldi era. Though the Capaldi era wasn't all that great on the story wise, he was a good Doctor and just wished he had some better quality writing in a lot of his stories. But I do love the 2 part story "Under the Lake" and "Before the Flood". My opinion that is the best one of his series. My idea to restart the series is get some writers who actually like the show and characters and want to tell some good stories, and not push a "message", and start the series with the Capaldi regeneration and have him either regenerate into someone else, or back to himself, and explain it that he didn't learn whatever the Universe was trying to teach him with this regeneration, and just pretend that the Chibnal and second RTD era never happened. Because I can't see how you can reconcile what they did to cannon. And for the dozen or so fans of what they did to the series, well they can go buy blu-ray copies and re-watch those stories as often as they like. I doubt it will happen, but that is what I would do if I was in charge.
it was on before Wallace and Gromit, so a lot of people just sat through some of it waiting for that too. I know I did.
ya poor sapp - would have been better to set an alarm for W&G
Yes it seems that is what most people did. I am pretty sure the people that actually watched all the way from start to end wont be 4 million people. It will be lucky if its still 2 million like the last series was. The catchup / consolidated and Iplayer ratings after a week will be telling as well. I am betting all of the other methods wont add up to or equal the live figure, so they wont be able to claim people are watching it more via different methods instead. That argument is stone dead when the next show more than doubled the viewing figures of Doctor Who...
@Simon-xc5oy Also I think another thing that did not help was the timeslot. Usually Doctor Who is heired closer to 6 PM, but they put W&G in that slot, making it the CHristmas primetime family viewing, and perhaps for very, very good reason because that was an absolute triumph and an amazing thing to do, easily topping Doctor Who, by a landslide.
Similar to Ms Marvel being a smash hit, sitting between two surefire Marvel Endgame winners. She got lucky. Dr Who got lucky with 4.11 million viewers. Most tagged along waiting for our W&G favourites.
id rather have a tobasco enema than watch this nonsense.
I wonder if prisoners in black sites are being forced to watch it ... BBC plot to keep the watch ratings up.
Dr. Who, to Nurse Who, to Who Needs a Doctor.
I didn't even know there was a special.
That show died for me with that "trans" filth and "bi regeneration" or whatever stupid term it was.
@@TheAutistWhisperer Same, I had to learn there was another special from Dave. 🤣
Its ok...it was not that special....
What's really sad is how low the ratings are given how much more money they have been spending. The fact that the show used to have shoestring budget and was doing better.
I'm sure they'll say that the 4 million who did watch are their target market, so they got 100 percent of the viewers they were looking for = Unmitigated Success!!
Considering Disney is happy to remove shows like Willow and cancel Star Wars products there is absolutely no way they're keeping Doctor Who around.
The ratings should have been way lower.
Yes. 4 million overnight is pretty respectable in today's climate
@@shaz2761 Yes and no. That would only work if everything else that day got about the same. But Wallace got way more and Gav etc got more than three times as many. Which proves once and for all that there is still a live tv audience out there to be had. If you make something people enjoy, that they want to see. And especially on Christmas Day. If you cant get high figures then, with everyone at home, shops shut etc you may as well give up.
I seems as if the recent and current producers, writers and actors have actual hate for the audience of all those shows. They don’t like us, and must ruin what we enjoy.
In their minds, it's "re-education"😝😝😝
I think Eccleston said it best: "Sack Russell T Davies," he stated. "Sack Jane Tranter. Sack Phil Collinson. Sack Julie Gardner. And I'll come back. So can you arrange that?"
Thats all of them that need fired, before it will turn around - the ship is sinking faster than the titanic! Do i think they will? No, do i think its salvageable now? No, its just not possible to do that with the bullshit politics that has been put on show.
This is the show that made me cancel Disney + . I barely watched anything on it anyway and I was once a fan Of DR Who and watched 2 episodes of Gatwa and thought holy crap why am I even paying for this and had no good answer so I canceled and have not missed it.
I only watched three and a half episodes of Whittaker she was horrible too. I have seen every episode of Dr Who other than for those two.
Why didn't Disney + also buy the streaming rights to classic Who, or at least modern Who? It probably could have been thrown into the deal, at no cost. Instead....
Caught the end of this garbage whilst tuning in for Wallace n Gromit, even in that space of time it was bad.
Apathy, Classic Dr. is amazing creative content. The new drivel is not even a shadow of the past.
Dr Who did another "Christmas Special" alright, all over the floor.
They really ARE hell-bent on self-destruction
The show is done, seriously, they killed it stone dead and I used to be a big fan, to me it ended with Capaldi leaving.
I gave it 5 minutes, it looked like the tv contrast was broken
There will never be another good Doctor Who, no matter who they replace this thing with
“Whipping a dead horse” doesn’t even begin to describe the disrespect.
I've watched the contemporary return of the show with two other doctors. When I watched this, it seems to be a bit more clean and upbeat. Is that the part you take contention with?
@ There are those on the woke spectrum who keep insisting society isn’t woke enough. They can’t define what a woman is and they refer to paedophiles as “minor-attracted people”. I’m guessing you belong to that crowd.
Hence the huge popularity of Classic Who
how many of the figures for the over nights only had it on in the background because they were waiting for Wallace and Gromit,
Star Wars: done.
Star Trek: done.
Indiana Jones: done.
Doctor Who: done.
Marvel: done.
DC: done.
Can we all move on now and see something new?
Please? 🙏🏼
I honestly thought Doctor Who was over. I haven’t heard anything about it for over a year.
for as long as DEI doctor retcon exists i will never watch this anti-fan franchise.
It's at a narrative dead end. Capaldi is an excellent actor, but they'd run out of strings of consistently good stories sometime around the Matt Smith era.
Modern Dr Who is the TV equivalent of a never ending nightmare, one where your stuck in the Tardis. But in this version the Tardis is a one seat public lavatory instead of a police phone box and your suffering a bad case of the runs/delly belly with only that cheap waxy toilet paper from 70's/80's primary school that just smudges everything and never really absorbs anything to help, all the while the theme tune runs in an endless loop in the background...
If it were possible, I would happily swap the entire revival series - including any future episodes - for the return of the missing Classic Series episodes.
Come to that, I would swap all of NuWho for just ONE missing story.
Or even one episode from a missing story... 😐
Episode 3 of Web of Fear for everything post Capaldi. Bargain!
Btw, Dave- check out the trailers for "Dr. Who and The Scorpion",a fanfilm being made here in Wales.
Disney will Disney and double down for a third season.
A loss leader implies something of value that is given away below cost.
That does not apply here.
Good point
It's about throwing out The Message and not making a profit or entertaining people.
For comparison
Christmas Carol 12.11 audience score 83
Doctor the widow wardrobe 10.77 audience 84
The snowmen 9.87 audience 87
Time of the doctor 11.14 audience 83
Last Christmas 8.28 audience 82
Left the "message" 11 years ago. Never looked back.
I think it's wholly inaccurate to refer to consolidated viewing figures because it may be populated by the same viewers re-watching the programme. Dr Who viewers typically watch an episode more than once.
I've never seen an episode of Doctor Who. It has just never intrigued me enough to sit down and tune in.
I saw a few episodes as a kid decades ago. But then that was back when Tom Baker was the doc.
@@Aikurisu Grew up watching him as a kid myself, best Doctor.
Gravitas of a rice pudding.
".... Can't complain, mustn't grumble, help yourself to another piece of apple crumble."
UNLIMITED rice pudding no less!
This show shoukd be cancelled and the 'actor' de-ported. I am sure he will be fine in his homeland.
I bowed out during capaldi era. But since timeless child im officially done with doctor who. Absolute travesty that was allowed to air. Now i wont even watch any new who
Honestly, you’re super talented. Keep posting more!
Only way I can see it being fixed is if 12 and Clara are STILL under the influence of the Dream Crabs
The only way to fix Doctor Who is to start over from Matt Smith's regeneration, wiping out everything after.
Prime time on BBC1 on Christmas Day, competition at the time was a Hitchcock film, a clip show, and (IIRC) repeats. 4M viewers. Call The Midwife, Gavin and Stacey, Wallace and Gromit, 'Stenders, and the King's Christmas Speech all did better on the BBC alone.
Wait what? Dr who is still on?
Don’t mind me, I’ll just be re-watching Tennant’s “Impossible Planet” two parter.
It's still on the air? Wow🙄
Disney being involved with the Doctor is the worst thing to happen. They destroy everything they touch.
Why BBC did that “cooperation” is beyond understanding.
Wait, this show is still on? I completely forgot about it.
I wish Doctor Who had never come back in 2005. It wasn’t worth this.
I agree. I mean, I thank modern Who for getting me into Classic Who but other than that, yeah.
I quit watching the show during Peter Capaldi's era. I like Capaldi, he is a fine actor, but the writing became unbearable. I tried watching the pilot episode of the lady Doctor I forget her name but only managed about 20 minutes, adults using the word "fam" turns out is triggering to me. Not watched a second of this new guy and it never occurred to me to watch it on Christmas day. A genuine shame.
Heh....I know what you mean. "Fam."
What an annoying and stupid term. From an annoying and stupid egotistical woman. I hated that phrase...I only ever managed to suffer through one of her stories as I hated the idea of a female Doctor. Turns out it was the Timeless Child and I only watched to shut up the people who were moaning at me for not liking it. According to them I could not possibly comment on it if I had not seen any. Turns out I was right though as it was indeed, utter crap and as bad if not worse than I expected. It took me a while to understand just what it was she was saying and meant by "fam." Something no Doctor has ever said in that context. But my biggest hate was her accent. I live on the borders of Yorkshire and what she was doing was not Yorkshire at all but some weird hybrid half mess. I dont sound like her and I dont sound like I am from anywhere in particular as I have tried over years to not do so. I am more R.P. English, as its so iconic and sounds so much better. Her version of that was truly dreadful. The way she formed the words. She pronounces no as neeeerrrrrrr! So when anyone asked her something it was....I dont Neeeerrrrrrrr! From Tom Baker to that. You can keep it. Every time she opened her mouth or her slack jawed gawking face appeared that triggered me. Never again.
the fam thing was incredibly cringe.
I hadn't realized the ratings COULD get worse.
I choose to believe that Peter Capaldi’s regeneration was so powerful and stressful that it actually ruptured time and space itself and caused an alternate timeline where doctor who is still enjoyable.
Bring in Kang The Conqueror to fix and reset the timeline.
S.O.S. -Style over substance.
The meme became real. Literally "Doctor Who?" ⭐
Doctor who?
Seriously...who?
Never seen that guy before.
Well, yeah, but that grass ain't gonna touch itself, innit?
Yeah but how do we "contribute to the culture"? Tons of people are writing books, etc, etc. One in a million get successful with all that stuff.
You cant get holiday special ratings up on a show that NOBODY watches normally. These people will demolish EVERY beloved IP one at a time, just to use them as a megaphone until there is no one left paying attention.
I've mentioned on a few channels, I think it will get a season 3 with Gatwa, but it won't be funded by disney (but probably distributed) and it won't be a full season - probably 3 or 4 specials (like Tennant had in 09/10 for his last season) which the BBC will fund so they can say he had his "standard" 3 seasons and then they'll go into hiatus. Disney has turned the show from a family show to a young children's show, and it really hasn't worked, although the damage was done by Jodie Whittaker, and Chris "Ballchinian" Chibnall. It's limped on since then with pitiful viewership and lost many fans.
I would have NEVER trusted Chris Chibnall with Doctor Who since his interview on Open Air; th-cam.com/video/EHcvPRhjEqw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0Ji2oufR4-7dEaKS
To put it simply it was a disaster waiting to happen - and it did happen.
I watched W&G instead
No you didn't watch it INSTEAD. Wallace & Gromit was on BBC 1 immediately following this Doctor Who Xmas episode so you could have watched both if you wished.
Doctor Who has become ridiculously shit.
Can we stop blaming "the Message". It's certainly not helping, but that's not the real issue anymore. (at least not with Doctor Who, sure it's a part of the over all problem, but not worth focusing on)
What went wrong with Joy to The World was that it was a cute 15 minute idea stretched, tortured and abused to fit into an hour long episode. It wasn't even a special, it was an hour long. Specials should be hour and a half. We had two hour long specials back in the day!
No, the real issue is that these writers are done. They're tapped out. The creative well has run dry. They might have the occasional good idea left in the tank, but it's not enough. RTD, Moffat and especially Chibnall need to step back. Find new blood with fresh ideas and let them go.
I found Doctor Who 2005 with the reboot, watch all episodes multiple times up to Mat Smiths departure, then It kind of lost the magic. I was interested with the idea of a female doctor, but that fell flat 3-4 episodes in with Jodie.
I always think they missed a trick, they could have proven everyone wrong with a well written female doctor but instead just trash writing, no character development at all, I mean how do you waste Bradley Walsh?
I liked Capaldi's acting okay, but it was a shame...such a fan and he was forced to act on THOSE stories. Especially that travesty that put down the late Hartnell's Doctor.
@@mw56101 Bradley Walsh? He is not an actor. He is a presenter / game show host! The bits I saw of Whitaker and her era were bad enough. People kept saying Walsh was the best thing in it. When I watched some, he REALLY wasn't. But he looked so much better than Whitaker Yaz and that other bloke, but then that would not be hard. Same with Jo Martin. She was just an average actor from the Bill and Casualty etc but the rest of them were that bad she looked like Meryl Streep in comparison. The whole thing took me back to the worst excesses of stunt casting of the late 80s with the likes of Bonny Langford, Richard Briers and Ken Dodd and Nicholas Parsons...all put there to say - "Look!!! Its a star name! Look! We have got Ken Dodd and he is in Doctor Who!!" And all the time forgetting that it needs a decent story and other good actors to make it work...
@Simon-xc5oy he's an actor as well, a man of many talents. He was in Coronation Street for years, and Law and Order UK. Ultimately I thought the stories were poor and boring. That Rosa Parkes episode, was so dull, an important event (to Americans) but not an episode of Sci Fi. Did that baddy ever come back, I assumed (when I still had faith in it as a show) that with that gun being a teleportation device he'd come back into it, because surely he can't be just a pointless one off unknown bad guy.
"loss leader" implies a follower that makes up for it.
I didn't even know it was on.
Just take everything to ludicrous extremes, then have a "Crisis of infinite Doctors" event to purge the timeline back to Capaldi (I'd even erase the War Doctor from history) Just the 12 real Doctors in a row, then re-start from there.
I disagree about the War Doctor - that was a decent show, however; the event purge would be Capaldi yes i agree there.
@@JerryNapper Agree. War Doctor, put a lot of things together, and explained why there was a gap on Dr. Who Eight, with the esteemed John Hurt, and Tennant and Matt Smith. And a cameo by Baker.
This isn't the Doctor. The Doctor was charming, intelligent, diplomatic, brave, and a man action. Sometimes he was a quirky idiot, a troubled spirit, a bit cynical, and afraid but ultimately came through. The last few stand ins have been none of these characteristics. The last few "Doctors" who have been cowards, annoying morons, or something else entirely that breaks what makes the series work.
I also don't understand where this idea came from that The Doctor is a "madman in a box". Madness and obsession are aspects of the Master's character, the Doctor is more of a curious compassionate rebel.
The rating ain't never gonna pick up all the while the BBC are churning out this shit .
What is really needed is a Doctor Who parody series in order to take the matter out of the BBC's hands and return to its roots of good science fiction and fantasy coupled with good writing. Not only would the series parody Doctor Who but everything else.
I can easily watch Tom Baker in the same story multiple times and it never gets old as it like an old friend.
1:08 for me, Doctor Who ends after Capaldi’s second season and concludes with The Husbands of River Song.
Died with David tennant for me. Matt tried his best despite bad writing, however after him it was just boring.
I don’t know about joy to the world, but seeing the ratings plunge for this woke rubbish brings joy to me. At this point I just want to see it cancelled and put out of its misery. I’d sooner watch Timelash on an infinite loop than a single second of this crap.