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- Skip and Shannon debate LeBron James' legacy. Why does he keep brining up his pursuit of Michael Jordan's legacy? Can he ever catch him?
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Is LeBron James in the same class as Michael Jordan? (Part 2) | UNDISPUTED
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Skip acts like a basketball game is 24 seconds in the 4th quater
Nigel .C this is one of the best most accurate things I've ever read in my life
Same thing with football. He thinks its the last 5 minutes in the game. Dude said he would take Tebow over Tom Brady.
Facts. What about the times LeBron went off and set up the offense so well that his team didn't need a big 4th quarter shot or moment?
UB U NO WAY LMAOO😭😭
+ Tong Zou W
Green was there for game 6 and 7. Sooooo? Warriors blew a 3-1 lead
momentum destroyed the Warriors and Cavs gain it
and LeBron made that amazing block shot .....LeBron also passed to Irving and he made a great shot ....great ...so did Mj passed to Paxson and pax hit it ...it is a Team game skip u tool !
paxon was open and hit a shot, Kyrie averaged 27 in the finals and hit the game winning shot on a isolation play after lebron missed
Cavs had momentum and home court advantage when he came back so that comment is irelevant cleveland is a different team at home
Steve P Doesn't matter. My boys WON.
CLEVELAND!!!!!!!
Skip saying LeBron didn't play well G4. But after Bulls up 3:0 to the Sonics, Jordan didn't close out the series with the killa instinct. Jordan shot 6/19, lost G4, G5, and didn't shot well in G6 either(5/19), got on the FT line a lot. And this is the historical 72 win team.
The point is they are not perfect they can have bad games.
Bogut was not effective at all, he was not even on the floor the final 3 games in 2015. As soon as he got injured in 2016, he become the deciding factor for LeBron playing well. Draymond played G6, G7, no excuse.
THANK YOU !
Jack Lee preach my brother
Jack Lee in your comment is the answer to the reason why MJ is the greatest and why this should never be a conversation. When Jordan shot bad and you look at the stats and watch the games, he would not disappear, he would find other ways to win. I watched plenty of his games as I am a old head, where he shot terrible and the started distributing the ball or getting to free throw line for the team to get the win.
kylealovejoy I am old head too. I have watched Jordan a fair share of his matches. It is just every LeBron's play is put under microscope, I can list over 20 playoff games he play like superman single handedly win the game, but Skip want focus on those game he didn't play well.
A bad game is different than a complete meltdown in a series lol
Lies, Right after Patriots won the superbowl, Skip said Brady was the greatest and had surpassed Montana
exactly
because it's true
whether its true or not, he was being dishonest here
ThePacemaker45 but he did say the other day if it was a game for his life he wants joe montana. He probably was just a prisoner of the sb moment because that was a great 4th quarter
By Skip's OWN arguments Brady can never be better than Montana because Brady lost in the Super Bowl....twice. This is the EXACT same argument he makes against Lebron.
Skip acts like missing draymond and bogut is worse than missing kyrie and love...
well to be fair Draymond is better than Love
gerardgag kyrie>>>green
funny draymond played in game 6 and 7 and kyrie is better than draymond
yes kyrie is in fact better than love but not better than draymond AND bogut
same with the warriors in 2016 too faced rockets and blazers thats all and almost lost against okc
Although i believe MJ is the GOAT, Skip is delusional.
you know I honestly think people don't take everything in perspective. I've said it before the reason why Jordan was so good overall in the finals and went 6-0 is because he had competition that forced him and his team to be so good. Where as lebron how can he learn to be so good in the finals when he didn't really get competition till the finals.
so thats the nba fault? if lebron face celtic and piston like jordan did lebron would retire he hates physical play he cry about the bulls being physical
I'm not saying its anybody's fault I'm just saying people don't seem to take in consideration what both people had to go through to get what ultimately wanted. its like trying to pass the S.A.Ts with high marks you got a guy like Jordan who had the luxury of having to go through a PSAT to learn what to do to pass the SATs lebron had to do it without it. And that ultimately brings me to a point I've always had and that is people need to stop comparing players from now no matter what sport to those of the past because more often than not competition and other things will almost always give the nod to the prior player because there's going to be that degree of difficulty that was higher then than it is now. Believe it or not even players you can say that flop or cry a lot do probably do it more so due to the rules and thus use it to their advantage.
+jmaal2345 you are an idiot.... MJ and PJ went to stern who was commissioner at that time to finally do somehing about the physical play of the pistons... THEY NEVER DID IT JUST FIR THEMSELVES... THEY REPRESENTED ALL THE TEAMS TO THAT MATTER... those are different physicallity kid... they can truly end a career. smh
+jmaal2345 I've seen lebron act like a queenie after getting cramp. Oh cramps are so painful, look at me I have the cramps, cry, cry, cry, carry me off pls, I like making a big commotion
I dont think Lebron haters understand how hard basketball is and he literally carries his team. He may not take the last shot, but he does everything needed to get them in a situation to win.
Skip's hatred for LeBron is comical......
It's not hatred. It's just him saying that Jordan > LeBron as of currently, which is a true FACTUAL statement. However, I do agree with Shannon in the fact that LeBron can surpass Jordan but he needs to win an MVP and two more rings. Because ACCOLADES are important.
Skip even mentions how LeBron is top 5 no doubt, and a great player. This is a false narrative you have created in your head (a fallacy) to escape the main point of Skip's argument: MJ > LEBRON.
it's not just this episode but an accumulation of past talks about LeBron.
Ya I know, but I wouldn't necessarily say he was speaking of his "hatred" towards LeBron, dude gave him his props like LeBron SHOULD RECEIVE, dude is crazy good. LeBron is forsure top 2 for me, it's 1a, 1b. Culturally it's not even close though, Jordan > LeBron.
lol he just saying MJ is better he not hating
Anyone can see this is beyond basketball ive been watching skip on firsttake for a while and its always been clear theres a personal hate for the man. I mean when your using the fact that lebron got help from his teammates to discredit his win then you know theres somthing else there.
he's a troll, relies on shock factor
Like most whites he hates it when someone gets accolades before accomplishments...
That woman's quietness is, frankly, impressive.
Not even an interjection, laugh, 'mhmm' ? That's skill..
"Go look at the 4th quarter" Skip shitting Lebron's game 7 against the warriors.... He scored half of their points in the 4th quarter lol Classic Skip
Jordan is the best of all time! ENOUGH said,
did he forget when lebron scored a 3pt and made 3 freethrows to tie the game? or even the block???
they was gon win even if lebron did not make the free throws
People are acting like Jordan never lost lol
No, Jordan lost his first 6 years in the playoffs....but let's look at the teams he faced then.....his rookie year, he faced a very good Milwaukee Bucks team (Sidney Moncrief(2 time DPOY), Paul Pressey, Terry Cummings, Alton Lister), then he faces the team that some consider the greatest ever, the '86 Boston Celtics (Bird, McHale, Parrish, DJ) and again in '87, and then faces the Bad Boy Pistons 3 times (Thomas, Dumars, Rodman, Laimbeer)............if you look at these teams, the only team that did not make it to the Finals were the Bucks but the other 2 teams were legendary.
I'm not saying he didn't lose to good teams, just that he did lose. Everyone loses.
***** Yes, that's true. That's why Jordan couldn't be considered the greatest during the 80's...he had 2 weakness at the time....he didn't have the will-to-win and he wasn't a good 3 pt shooter.
not in the finals.
you better look again. MJ was the only reason people tuned in to the Bulls in the 80's so try again. MJ came in the league as a rookie and killed the league
Did people forget how good Mike was on defense? He wasn't a good defender, he was an ELITE perimeter defender. People forget that
And arguably the best shot blocking guard of all time
Nah Dwyane Wade took that title sorry
Anfernee Bobb he's the only other one in the discussion tho in terms of shot blocking. It's them two and anybody else is a distant 3rd
He can't guard all 5 positions like bron tho
dizzyd neither can LeBron. You think that LBJ could check Kakeem or Shaq? Doubtful
at the end of the day if you can't score you can't win. Jordan was not going to let his team lose and go down without a fight
But Jordan lost in the playoffs loads of times
He lost alone. Just like LeBron. Don't get upset when people say LeBron has a horrible finals record. IN which you would reply "Man but LeBron had trash and no teammates!". Jordan had the same... no decent teammates. Double standard headass.
J Durham you have to remember who Jordan faced in the first round as well. Bird's celtics won the championship that first year, lost the championship in 6 the second to the lakers., and then the pistons won the next year. So I think if anything your comment is incomplete. Don't forget Jordan faced the badboys and celtics and still put up great numbers on 50+%, but again, NO ONE can do it alone. Also LeBron was in the weakest era of the EASTERN CONFERENCE (in term of competition), there's a reason why LeBron is a lock to make it every year. (Not taking away from LeBron, still a goat).
J Durham you're comment is incomplete. Lebron went 35-47 his rookie year. So he has had a losing season, and he missed the playoffs his first 2 years. After that he was phenomenal.
Jordan never missed the playoffs, but had losing records. But he was competing at a pace with the rest of the league. Jordan had to compete with the "GREAT" Celtics and Pistons, both of whom won multiple championships at the time. LeBron's competition in the East were the Pistons and Celtics that had only had one title a piece.
MJ had great competition in the East when he played.
Also LeBron didn't make the Playoffs until his third year, Jordan made it every. single. year. (As a bull)
The big difference was at clutch time. Jordan always, always be like give me the ball! Lebron... You shoot it....
Exactly, 100% right
More like
Mj: Give me the ball!
Lebron: I'm gonna make the best play for the win.
Basketball is a team game, and he plays it that way to the final buzzer. What's so good about a player voluenteering to take a presumably bad shot to try and win a game over the guy that plays the game the way it was intended to be played for 48 minutes a night?
rastaewabeach what about when he passed to Kerr for the game winner ?
rastaewabeach largest comeback in playoff history this year. Last year came back down 3-1 against the greatest team of all time by the numbers.
"Lebron isn't clutch." Lebron's percentage is almost equal with Jordan's in game tying/winning shots in the playoffs. Lebron has, hands down, the best elimination game stats in history. Lebron is consistently either the top or one of the top scorers in the 4th quarter each year. It's difficult to listen to people who completely fabricate ideas because of their bias.
Nicolas Alcalde the thing is that Jordan wasn’t in many elimination games. He closed the deal earlier.
Lol skip is such a Lebron hater.
the true hurts
Carlos Delgado IDT Bron is better than Jordan, but I think skip hates to give Bron any credit at all. At this point I don't think skip likes ANY player in the NBA. Out of curiosity who does he like at this point?
dog he not better than Jordan
Carlos Delgado I am sorry that IDT was ambiguous, I meant "I don't think"
lol my bad😂
lebron better idc what yall say jordan wouldent have gone 6-0 if he was on those lebrons teams/situations
Petty Wap lebron last with Dwayne wade and bosh twice? Jordan would've went 5-0 with them
Jordan would've definitely lost against 14 Spurs. Also wouldn't beat the 15 Warriors
raiders10003 how would u guard Michael?
David Eubanks you give him space and let him open shoot 3s. stop him from attacking the basket with a great rim protector (bogut and duncan)
Petty Wap Agreed.
Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs with out Pippen, will Skip bring that up
MrKing8050 against some bird celtics and bad boy pistons by himself
without an Allstar 😑
I'm just starting this video and am 100% sure that Skip will not have ONE original thought.
and...he didn't.
First season without Pippen: Rookie
Second without Pippen: Broke foot, missed 64 games
Third season without Pippen: Woolridge and Danley were kicked off the team for drug problems
Jordan was 31-12 during the second 3peat when Pippen didnt play. That's a win % of 0.721. That argument is stale and overused.
Skip doesn't remember the block by Lebron that allowed Erving to hit what turned out to be the game winner
MJ
Best SG
Best player of 20th Century
LBJ
Best SF
Best player of 21st century
It's that simple. I don't see why it's so hard for people to say this.
Jordan is far greater all around than Lebron. Jordan: defensive player of the year, MVP, Scoring champion, Dunk contest champion, 6 time NBA Champion... Michael steals the ball, block shots, and scores, never lost in the finals. Lebron: MVP champion, 3 of 7 in the NBA finals. Lebron blocks shots and passes. The closest to the great Michael Jordan is Kobe Bean Bryant. Lebron can't even get to Kobe's level!
I agree with you in placing Kobe ahead of Lebron. I have to say though, Skip admitted that Lebron is a better all around player than Jordan. So you know if Skip didn't argue that, it's because he couldn't even defend it.
thank you
+Jay Sagét That's not the objective of the show. Skip can make an argument easily but there would be so many detrimental points to the NBA and their players if he had brought up the variables. The way they officiate the game has changed drastically, the physicality, the number of time-outs made by officials, anything to do with attrition & injuries have also changed drastically, this and that are all different, anyone can go on and one. The league is also having the 2nd and 3rd lowest field-goal percentages in the past 35+ years, from the past couple of seasons. The number of rebounds per game have gone up, there are just so many variables, there's 30 teams today etc, it's almost pointless to make a side-by-side comparison just using per game stats.
lebron is ALREADY ON KOBES LEVEL ABOUT TO PASSEM!
There is literally ZERO rational argument placing Kobe above Lebron.
Well after LeBron's first Finals appearance against the Spurs in 2007, the Cavs were swept by the Spurs. Now that LeBron James announces "The Decision" and went to Miami Heat, EVERY SINGLE SEASON that LeBron plays at have lead them in the NBA Finals.
For Example;
2011 NBA Finals: Miami Heat vs. Dallas Mavericks
2012 NBA Finals; Miami Heat vs. Oklahoma City Thunder
2013 NBA Finals; Miami Heat vs. San Antonio Spurs
2014 NBA Finals; Miami Heat vs. San Antonio Spurs
2015 NBA Finals; Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden State Warriors
2016 NBA Finals; Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden State Warriors
LeBron James from the 2010-2011 season has been to the NBA Finals 7 times and by yearly comparison, and he CAME BACK from a 3-1 deficit in the Finals, against A team who beat Michael Jordan's 1996 Chicago Bulls record of 72-10 and that team is the Golden State Warriors whose record is 73-9 and LeBron beat them while leading the NBA Finals record in all stats and the first player to score in an NBA Finals. I think if LeBron James manage to win 3 or 4 NBA Championships he will be by definition be the Greatest Of All Time not MJ, also Michael Jordan is JUST A SCORER while LeBron is an all-around player!
He won 4 and 4 finals mvps also all time leading scorer. Regular season and playoffs, number 4 in assists passed magic. Do u think he is or do u have Jordan still?
Lebron may not be better than Jordan but he is certainly in his class.
The Bulls won like 3 less games the year after MJ left LOL. That team was good with or without him. MJ had an all time great supporting cast for YEARS. Had a top 3 NBA coach all time for YEARS. He lost in the 1st round of the playoffs like 7 or 8 times ..? LeBron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs. He carried some of the most pathetic playoff teams of all time into deep waters in the playoffs. I'd rather lose in the Finals then not even make it there. He's a more complete player than MJ was. Just as marketable. Just as box-office. Just as good if not a better overall athlete when you factor in strength and explosiveness. MJ lost to the bad boys until they got old. Like it or not, he played in an era where despite the abundance of hall of famers, almost all played on different teams and there were NO super teams. There were NO Pop led Spurs, there were NO Kobe and Shaq led Lakers under Phil Jackson. There was NO big 3 Celtics team. There were NO 73-9 Warriors teams.
You sound like an idiot. "That team was good with or without him"Then why did they get eliminated in the 2nd round. The 1994 team had everyone from a 3peat team come back and even added the Kukoc who was the best European prospect. Going from 3peating to losing in the 2nd round is a big drop off."He lost in the 1st round of the playoffs like 7 or 8 times"This lets me know that you have no clue...Look up how many times he lost in the first round and tell me if it is close to 7 or 8."LeBron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs"Yes but for some reason LeBron fans do not acknowledge that he missed the playoffs the first two years. How often does a high pick take his team beyond the first round outside the rare occasions they get drafted to a team that was already good and happened to have a high pick because of a prior trade or injury (ie. Duncan). There is a reason why a team has a high pick and its because they were horrible the year before"MJ lost to the bad boys until they got old"Unless you consider 30 old than they weren't really old. Isaiah and rodman turned 30 a little before the series joe dumars is actually younger than MJ. Vinnie Johnson was the oldest on that team who played big minutes at 34 and he actually led them in scoring at 21ppg. The pistons were number 1 in defense that year, 2 time defending champs, 3 time defending conference champs."There were NO 73-9 Warriors teams"He didn't have to play 70 win teams because he was able to lead his team to 70+ wins. So you want to look at opponents played against. Tell me how many 60+ and 50+ win teams LeBron has beat in his career and compare that to Jordan.
Kevin Flowers the cavs team LeBron took to the finals against the Spurs was 10 times worse than ANY team MJ EVER played on
+Francis Avoce thank you.people are not been objective.
And your forgetting play he played in an era where you could get mugged going to the basket and the refs weren't saying anything, LeBrons era all you have to do is breathe on these guys and fouls are getting called! Y'all are killing me with the MJ disses. But I get it, some of you (not sure we're you fall?) never saw him play due to age.
@Kevin Flowers- spot on!
The more skip goes on about MJ, they more people will follow LBJ.
Skip hates on LeBron for entertainment purposes
He's not hating here, all he's saying is Jordan>LeBron, which is true.
Thomas, Jordan took 20 months not because he was exhausted. He took it off to complete a promise that he made to his MURDERED FATHER, that he would try and play pro baseball. Don't be ignorant of the facts. Not cool bro.
I don't like Skip's language and arrogance about Jordan, but I have to agree with him. I'm not sure LeBron can do anything at this point of his career (32 yrs old) to catch MJ. Not talking about number of rings but HOW they got their rings. That said, Bron is a top 5 all time player.
Israel Rosario Jr. How come mj 3peat after his 3 and he was the same age as lebron
Destiny Fashek because MJ didn't have the miles on his body that Bron has now. He came into the league AFTER 3 yrs of college, and got his 2nd threapeat AFTER taking a year and a half off from the game. So that means Bron has almost 5 years more pro mileage on him than Jordan did at their respective ages. Also, Jordan NEVER lost one finals or even got to a 7th game. Outside of Bron going on a crazy run through 38-39 yrs of age, can't see him coming close to that.
So if he beats the Warriors w/Durant, coming off the greatest comeback in playoff history against the "greatest team ever," why can't he have a case?
DHaines6 first of all it wasn't "the greatest team ever" since they didn't win a ring. They had the greatest regular season. Second, if he does that, he MAY have a case but I just don't think it's a winning case by any measure. You'll be living in the moment. The only thing IMO that can give him a legit, arguable case is getting 6-7 rings. Jordan's finals legacy is 2nd to none outside of Bill Russell who played when it was a different league.
Jordan was favored in 5 of the 6 Finals he played in. LeBron has been favored in 2 of the 7 Finals he played in. Record means nothing without context.
Skip is disrespectful to athletes he doesn't consider great. Doesn't make sense to put players down for wanting to reach their dreams
Why does skip always forget the 3 that lebron made right before Kyrie hit his?
Or the clutch Block that gave Cleveland possession
So Jordan is 6 in 6. How about all the other times he didn't even make it?
Right? He got blown out of the playoffs 7 years in a row, but people never mention that.
Lebron greatest player ever.
KOBE>LEBRON, We need a MJvsKOBvsBRON debate.
kobe. 1 mvp, 2 finals mvp. he's not even in the convo. he's a lesser jordan
bro don't come at me with numbers and awards. I'm talking purely basketball ability. KOBE was drafted low, came off the bench first couple years, played in the western conference year after year against other HOFS(KG,TIM,DIRK), tougher teams(SPURS, WEBBERS KINGS, ETC).
kobe wasn't started until the 97 playoffs. he was 18.
take your time..
Lucas Hammond`
Kobe was a bootleg Jordan. He is out of the conversation for being bootleg. You know it too. The first 3 title he got were due to that big black monster called Shaq. You know it. Stop acting.
if skip doesn't like your game there is nothing you can do to get credit from him. the epitome of a bias journalist
MJ at 6'6 averaged 30-7-7 won defensive player of the year. how is LeBron a better all around player?
Julian Styles LeBron should've won it in 2012-13 but they gave it to Chandler
Harden's got plenty of assists too. Doesn't make him a great distributor. In proper context, LeBron has by far the greatest impact on his teams due to being the best all around player
Jordan should have won 2 more MVPs. should have doesnt go in the record books
what years?
Julian Styles what years?
I could listen to these 2 all day lol.
4:13 - The double standards of Skip Bayless exposed... Plus, Skip goes on and on and on about clutch and about Kyrie's shot, but it wasn't THE moment of the finals heard round the world. That was Lebron's CLUTCH chasedown block, one of the biggest clutch defensive plays EVER (right up there with Jordan's steal on Malone).
And why does anyone have a problem with Lebron chasing Jordan? Even if he never reaches him, it means Lebron will forever try to improve his game! That is great for both Lebron and the NBA.
LeBron led the series in every category and skip saying they only won cause of kyrie
On both teams.
Skip acts like Micheal Jordan never had a bad series well he did just look up his shooting % against UTAH 41% shooting.
"Say it again..."
why is skip such lebron hater he always try to down lebron legacy..
Jordan only made it to 6 finals, what happened to the goat(Jordan) them other years he didn't make the finals, was Jordan clutch getting sent home early in the playoffs. Skip don't respect real greatness.
Skip HAS said Brady is better than Montana... Wow! Haha...
Oh, I agree. Do not get me wrong. Brady is better. However, Skip did lie.
Beef Jerkingz L
What does "L" stand for? Loss? Prove me wrong with stats, not with opinions, please do that. Because Montana only has 1 stat better.
Beef Jerkingz than provide me with a stat other than rings that proves brady is better than peyton.
***** L. Top 4 doesnt equal number 1
where's the cornbread and the moonshine. let's have a picnic.
Jordan never let a game 7 happen. in the Finals....take a second to think about that.
Different situations
Thomas Dauphan they never think about that bro
lebron could end the game in game 7 by taking over but he didnt it took irving 3 to win it
jordan also airballed against the magic with a minute left in the playoffs
lebron airballing free throws and you came here to tell us that in his entire career Jordan airball one time against the magic hahaha what an as***le!!!
They forget that one of the games that LeBron and Cleveland beat GS by 30 points occurred with both Draymond and Bogut both playing!
Honestly, its not fair to Lebron.... imagine if he had a coach like phil jackson or greg pop. He would definitely have more titles and a genuine shot for the goat position. This is why I can't say if he can surpass jordan or not based on his circumstances.
Phil Jackson coached Jordan/Pippen in their primes and Shaq/Kobe...he's still a great coach but I believe that Larry Brown and Pat Riley are better.
jtremaine23 and lebron never got coached by any of them ...
Whole lot more variables than just coaching. For one rule changes are the biggest one not to mention the death of the center position and hard nosed big men. Lebron wouldnt be able to just skate through the lane without a forearm coming down on his head. 90s were a totally different game.
There is so many factors people fail to touch on because of the impact Jordan had on their lives. Emotional attachment just leads to bias opinions. You're right.
***** lebron had wade and bosh, and still lost
if Bron isn't there, then is Cleveland playing for a championship?
Skip just literally said i give you all around...ok well case closed...what else is there to talk a out
J Brown you caught that too huh lol these fools dont pay attention 😭
that's what i keep trying to say
Jordan won Defensive player of year and also took 2 seasons off so he could've easily been #1 all time in scoring....
J Brown IQ assessment 57. Prescription: quit school.
J Brown skip's a tool don't take everything he says so seriously mate
Some of Skip's arguments make me physically curl up in pain
In no order Mj,Kobe, and lebron are the GOATS. You could put any1 of those 3 at #1
+Tod Wilkinson I have that is why kobe is not in my top10.
King James shaq could be #1
kareem is the greatest. and i'll take shaq over MJ, kobe, lebron
+David Eubanks He could be #1 but he not
+David Eubanks he's definitely top 5
Skip: What did Lebron do in the fourth of game 7
He had the clutchest block in all of NBA history
MJ all day
thank u Sharpe Lebron is that dude #props
Lebron scored more points himself in the 4th quarter of Game 7 than the Warriors TEAM did, so Skip needs to look at the stats
How about MJ kicking to Paxson or Kerr on a few occasions in those finals.
I'm starting to hate LeBron fans more then curry fans
try not to get hurt and i agree
Game 7 2013 heat vs spurs last two mins left against skips team was clutch. so many game winners
I just wish some of these guys who argue against Skip would do a little research ahead of these debates instead of just giving Skip the bully pulpit to throw a lot of garbage insinuations out without being challenged. Jordan had a pretty lengthy career, but Skip consistently glosses over the other 14 years of Jordan's career to focus solely on the few years--1991-1998 when the BULLS were insanely successful. But, he wants to ALWAYS use LeBron's entire career to bash him. For instance, he asks if Jordan ever "disappeared" after being up 2-1. The answer, of course, is yes. In 1989, Jordan scored 46 points versus the Pistons in Game 3 of that series, including the go-ahead basket. The next game, in Chicago, "his house", the Pistons shut him down to 5-15 shooting. I Game 5, Jordan attempted just EIGHT shots the entire game, leading the media to asking if Jordan was being used as a decoy. The Pistons swept three straight from the Bulls, with little Isaiah Thomas destroying Jordan with 18 4th quarter points to seal Game 6 IN CHICAGO.. In fact, Jordan lost in the FIRST ROUND of the playoffs an astonishing three times, and failed to make the playoffs twice. Jordan has a CAREER losing record, as in under .500 without Scottie Pippen. Jordan's 1-9 playoff record without Pippen cannot be explained away under ANY theory other than the fact Jordan was a HORRIBLE team basketball player, who was a loser at EVERY level except the years Pippen played with him. It is PIPPEN who has the winning record at every level, and it is PIPPEN, who in his rookie season LED the Bulls to 50 wins, whereas Jordan had a losing record there before Pippen got to Chicago.
Emmanuel Enyinwa thank you someone who know their research and not going off hype
6:40-6:45.; What row did Shannon Sharpe say, again?...
MJ never lost in the finals. End of discussion.
R u forgetting that Draymond chose to hit LeBron that was his fault and LeBron still dropped 41 in G6 when Draymond came back plus The Block wasnt Clutch? CLUTCH ISNT JUST THE GAME WINNING SHOT. THAT WAS THE MOST CLUTCH AND AMAZING DEFENSIVE PLAY IVE EVER SEEN
she's a goof troop they talking about draymond tf for game 6,7 that man played. gaining on the 🐐 #FACTS LBJ23 Str8 up
"SAY IT AGAIN" 😂
lets all agree that kobe is in the same class as micheal. Lebron bout to be there tho.
LeBron is already there .
Skip needs to realize that Jordan couldn't ever even make the playoffs without pippin
LeBron will never be on Jordans level people need to stop comparing them. LeBron should be compared with magic or Larry bird.
Big Ro Lebron ain't even on their level either.
How is lebron not on Jordan's level?
mrminividz What makes you think he is???
The fact that he's a trancendent talent thats dominated an era of basketball. Thats not to say he's better than Jordan just on the same level, as are Bird, Magic, Kareem etc
mrminividz LeBron is not on Michael's level. No where near it.
If Lebron was on a team like micheal Jordan, Lebron would have won all 7 titles that he has gone too. ( 7 championships) NO DOUBT.
LeBron can't score on the clutch, that he is why he pass the ball. Jordan can take the team on his back and take it all the way to the championship. Jordan rule👍👍👍
Michael Lui EXACTLY
if hitting big shots was the only thing that mattered the mascots would be the best players on the court lol
Grant C. Lechoke choked against Dallas when he scored 9 points
Sad how closed minded skip is
here is another comparison...lebron james signs a lifetime contract with nike...jordan practically OWNS nike
Jordan Brand is a product of Nike. Nike gets a cut from all Jordan Brand wear... kinda like a producer, or a drug connect.
well he did come 1st..
4moore87 only cuz they have a patent on the jumpman logo
having a patent means having rights which ultimately means you can't move unless I tell you lol.
You're only proving my point. The op said that MJ owns Nike when actually it's the other way around. As long as MJ wants to use the Jumpman logo or the OG Air Jordan logo with the basketball and wings attached he will have to give Nike a cut.
Clutch does not mean making big shots. Clutch means making big plays!
Lebron can do no better than 2nd GOAT ... period.
I give that to Kobe. but oppinion is oppinion.
then again Larry Bird is much more qualified then both of them so...
lol Kobe has no business in the top 3
*****
Can you explain what you mean? Your comment makes me think you think Kobe is 1 overall. I think you do not think that, so maybe you can clarify your statement a bit?
Lebron can do no better than 3rd goat. He will never be better than wilt either.
Skip is the most subjective MJ Fan of all Time. :(
lebron is gonna end up with more points than Jordan....
Only cause Jordan was retired for a year and a half and played in college.
Lebron fans tend to not mention time played. That's why they always say "by age" so they don't have to account for MJ's college, retirements, 2nd year injury...Lebron has already played 50 more games than MJ's whole bulls career.
Oh yeah the injury.. Some people thought he was done
He chose to retire.
+Ku Ku you so right.
***** I do give credit to LeBron for that but its annoying for people to say well he will have more career whatever when there is a clear reason for that.
In Jordan's bulls career he was eligible for the scoring title in 11 seasons ('86 & '95 he didn't qualify). In those 11 seasons MJ won 10 scoring titles and the only season he didn't win it was his rookie year (he led in total points but 3rd in PPG)
If there is one thing that is obvious, it is that MJ was a better scorer
So when someone comes and says well LeBron will have more points they say it as if LeBron is a better scorer or like it is a close debate. It shows they are bias or extremely ignorant.
That's like me saying well mark Jackson has more assist than magic.
I can finally agree with Skip
he act like Jordan won every year
Skip: “Nobody would ever call MJ the B word”
Did Gary Payton and Reggie Miller not exist?
In my opinion I don't even think Lebron is better than Kobe let alone MJ. Of course people will throw around the numbers and the Kobe playing with Shaq thing. Kobe could have averaged 28,7,7 if he wanted to but throughout his career the team he had he didn't have to every night. But when it was winning time and they needed him to be both a scorer and facilitator(Kobe actually did pass the ball lol check the numbers during those title runs) he did exceptionally well. Kobe played with Shaq, yes, but Shaq needed Kobe as much as Kobe needed Shaq. But I wouldn't be mad if anybody say Lebron is better than Kobe because he is a transcendent player I just think the Black Mamba was better.
I'll take Kareem over MJ. Shaq and Wilt are also arguable
raiders10003 Hmm I can't argue with that. Kareem definitely can be number 1 all time he has 6 rings like MJ, scored the most points in the history of basketball, has as many MVP's, was as dominant as MJ in terms of scoring and defense. People forget about Kareem as the GOAT I'm glad you brought him up.
Lionel Gatling Kobe didn't need Shaquille he proved that by winning 2. Secondly Kobe assisted more when he was surrounded by veterans. From 04-05 until retirement he rarely passed.
Lionel Gatling Kobe and Lebron are molded after Magic and Michael. Was Jordan better than Magic? Yes. Was Magic a better team player who needed role players to make the team better? Yes. Each player has different skills sets at different positions. Lebron is a facilitator Kobe was a scorer that's it.
Lionel Gatling If you were a GM and had to pick between Kobe or Lebron who would you pick? I'm picking Lebron because my team is guaranteed to make it to the playoffs and finals. Not so much with Kobe.
LBJ is my favorite player ever but i do acknowledge MJ is better. but the absolute disrespect from Skip towards LeBrons accomplishments disgusts me
they say Lebron is better all around. Jordan was a better defender.
On ball, but Lebron was way more versatile
Plus remember Jordan had Pippen
LeBron can guard 1-4 positions and the 5 sometimes MJ couldn't, MJ is a better defender but all around is LeBron, no question
Fred Doug He's bigger AND he is more versatile. The fact of the matter is Lebron can guard more positions at an elite level he isn't just bigger
+J Durham💯 Facts
Nathan Adeleye LeBron is an elite defender, that's why Andre Iguodala gave him that work right????
What most of you don't realize is supporting cast play a big role.check both supporting cast.
Cavaliers are going to the Finals again next year and LeBron can either add another ring and Finals MVP to his resume or his 5th Finals loss.
nah kd is with gsw
***** that won't mean a thing when gets his 2013 shooting form back the same kd that had trouble with lebron
You can't say he beat a 73-9 team if they weren't complete and healthy
LeBron ain't even better then kobe !!
C'mon seriously?
+Thomas Dauphan hahaa Shaw would win without or with Kobe? have you watched all the Lakers playoffs games in those champion years?
That's what I'm saying LOL...Let him get 5 rings, then we'll have a conversation.
you're high 😴😴😴
Dondrey Taylor bill Russell must be the best player ever then right?
LeBron James- great player
mj- greatest player
end of conversation
Shannon keeping it real👌🏾 Lebron is the greatest basketball player ever
You’re delusional
Lebron lacks skill to be a around player
Skip really does not want anyone to think Lebron is good
Lebron ain't on Kareem's level the amount of disrespect that man gets he is arguably the GOAT, 6 Rings (Two Diff. Teams), 3 MVPs, all-time leading scorer, most unstoppable shot in NBA history and many many many more accolades I can't fit in this comments section
While I do think Michael was better. Thank you for bringing up Kareem. Lebron wasn't on his level, nor Magic or Larry's
We ain't talking big man we talking wing players
Darwin Walker naw we talking Goats and Kareem is underappreciated, never gets the respect he deserves. People think Lebron passed Kareem which is blasphemous
+Bedcorn when your talking about whose the greatest basketball player ever the reason people always usually say wing men or guards Like MJ, Kobe, Bron are because they are more versatile at what they can do as opposed to a big man. Wing players and guards can shoot threes, run the floor, crossover, and display more basketball abilities. It's very rare that you see a big man at least back in Kareem's day that can run the floor bringing the ball up court popping threes crossovers and all that. Versatility is how use the eye test as humans when judging ability
Kareem won 6 mvp's.
One more thing Jordan never got to the finals when the bulls had scrubs. LeBron did.
MJ is better than LeBron James, and Joe Montana is better than Tom Brady. Both LeBron and Tom are great too.
I THINK Tom passed Joe.
Skip always refers to tom Brady as the greatest quarterback of all time.. The first take after New England beat Seattle he called tom Brady the greatest Football player to ever live
there will never be a other MJ
Kobe was similar but yeah. And we won't ever see another lebron either
Wow such an original topic
Plus Skip neglects the fact that zone defenses and help defense was illegal back in MJs day which allowed MJ to play 1v1 iso ball all game long and destroy his opponents. LeBron dismantles teams when in iso situations which is why players sag off and have help defenses on lebron. Same thing would have been applied to MJ which would have forced him into more bad quality shots or give the ball up more but yea lets ignore that
Actually, that wasn't true, 1 on 1 ball happened more often back then but double teams still existed and a type of zone D stilled was being played even when it was illegal. But just because you go one on one doesn't mean that you don't get checked every time going to rim or taking a jump shot. Plus in the early 2000's when zone D was in place, a 38-40 yr old Jordan still played at a very high level even losing most of his athletic ability.
***** double teams were allowed but it came at the cost of leaving the other man open. in the 90s help defense was not allowed. other defenders that were guarding there check were not allowed to sag off into the paint they had to guard him where ever he went. In todays NBA jordan would have had a harder time scoring since he was a terrible 3pt shooter. even worst then lebron as he shot multiple years around 17% and the only year he shot 40 was the year the league moved the 3pt line 2 and half feet closer to the basket then later moved it back and jordans 3pt% went back under 30%. another note that skips neglects is that the 90s was a very weak era which is the decade jordan finally won his championships. Pistons were outa there prime. Magic and bird were old. The only elite championship caliber team jordan really ever beat was the utah jazz other then that the other 5 chips were a foregone conclusions. MJ beat 0 super teams. LeBron has beaten 2 super teams
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Uncle Drew23 I certainly wouldn't call that era very weak, compared to the 80's era it was actually more evenly spread out. The 80's were more top heavy with great teams. The 90's had less superstars on multiple teams than the 80's. That does not equate to the 90's being a weak era. I'm assuming your talking about the expansion teams, right? One of those expansion teams, the Magic got Shaq and Weber (traded for Penny). Realistically it doesn't matter if expansion teams are added, only the best teams make the playoffs. That has very little impact on what goes on in the playoffs. Good teams make it and bad teams don't. And heres the thing with double teams, it happened often against Jordan, the benefit of being a big back then was you can stay in the lane and check a player. Now the rule is 3 seconds in the lane. Plus one on one defense isn't always easy in that era, players used there arm to guard, which is illegal now. Say what you want, but the reason the NBA got rid of all those defensive rules was to increase offensive scoring. Even if it left a player open, there was always some kind of physicality that came with it, if they weren't shooting a jumper.
***** you make some valid points but you have to agree with me that skip is completely delusional when he says lebron isn't clutch when his been nothing but clutch. He led the league in 4th quarter scoring this year with 10. he came up big in the 4th quarter of game 6 with 17 pts in the 4th and he also had 11 pts in the 4th quarter of game 7 and the stats i showed you prove his right up there with MJ. i even have more stats to prove my point.
dope show.
Not even an argument. 6 and 0. End of discussion.
Everything else can be argued between Lebron/Jordan supporters ... who has more ppg in the playoffs, who has more MVPS, who was this who was that. Who does this better, who does that better .....
At the end of the day ... Jordan never lost in the finals. GOAT.
Jordan..... or the Bulls? lol.
If you need to ask .... you never watched those playoff series.
Ho Chung You're right *sigh*
before jordan went 1-9 in the playoffs without pippen tho. smh.
6-0. Didn't have to conspire to create a superteam to win. I think Lebron stepped up and deserves tremendous praise for how he won this year .... but, to be on the same level Jordan? lol
Let's keep it real. LeBron is the best basketball player I have seen in all my years watching the game including Jordan. Jordan played with hall of famers.and great players during those championship runs.Bron doesn't get enough credit.Mj gets too much credit. people act like he played with average players.
You speak the truth, my brotha.