If Goku was in the DC universe. You know damn well that the Joker would take #1 in your list as an open invitation, and fuck with Goku. Although, he had better have a seriously big back up plan for when he does it. I only say this, because he was dumb enough to piss off Superman in the Injustice universe.
@@suiginmigasuto3356I agree but I also think that the most vulnerable person goku knows is chichi and even she’s probably too strong for anything joker can attempt to do😅. Not only that but if he tries going for bulma vegeta will have no issue killing him instantly
Uhhh … you do remember he told his son to fight a genocidal DNA Monster then gave said genocidal Monster a free Full Restore … no way in Hell would Superman tell Johnny “hey son, go beat up Darkseid (after I fix him up so it’s fair)!” 😒😒😒
The problem with this entire theory is that Superman is not judgey...Goku might not be perfect but he's a clear cut good guy...Supermans way is to lead by example, not "finger wag"
Yeeeah and he’d at some point give Goku a friendly match once he learns dude just wants to train push his limits and that Goku won’t just turn into dust if Clark accidentally bump into him to hard 😂. Goku doesn’t show overwhelming force against people that can’t fight on his lvl and Superman would see that. Bro kinda missing it a bit with the video here 🤔.
@@NinjaAimlessI think Superman would be excited to fight Goku, Supes says he lives in a world filled with cardboard but to meet someone who can handle him and actually stand his ground against his strength he’d probably would want a friendly match in a isolated part of the universe
Goku and Superman would easily get along like Goku isn’t a villain and is pure hearted that has saved his friends and family and desires to protect the earth which Superman respects
Never said he was a villain but what about him throwing a sensu bean to a villain that has intent to kill his son. Or starting fights with beings he didn't have to. He may be a good person but Goku is a fighter first
@@ComicCasualVideos how dragon Ball was written Frieza was set up for Goku the fight everybody was talking about Frieza on namek even his soldiers and plus this was the same man ordering his people to go around killing everybody Goku had to put a stop to that eventually it Frieza wasn't checked he would have eventually came to Earth and the thing is with the context of that situation Goku throwing the senzu beam to cell is it make that man act arrogant nobody not even Goku look up defeat a cell in a cell saga at that current point in time Gohan was the only contender because he had power hidden inside what celll did actually shook goku off guard the moment Gohan snap when's super Saiyan 2 it was done tournament of power Zeno would have erased every universe with a low mortal count if Goku did not suggest that nobody knew that by the way
@@ComicCasualVideos Goku giving cell the senzu bean was more calculated risk than a "move to see a good fight" they needed gohan to go super saiyan 2 for him to actually beat cell, A tired cell could of just straight up either killed gohan after getting bored or decided to destroy the planet and not put up the whole cell jr show. It was only because cell was confident that he decided to set off the specific chain of event that led to the transformation. Then again this is just head canon but IN MY OPINION a very likely chain of events. Also goku has never started a fight with a being he didn't have to, The tournament of power was in hindsight what ended up saving the universes from destruction because Zeno would of ended up destroying them anyways if it wasn't for the tournament Idea.
@@ComicCasualVideos Goku is a father,friend before a fighter.he knew Gohan would defeat cell.also when Gohan was toying cell,Goku told him to finish off cell before it gets out of hand and cell decides to destroy the planet out of frustration
@@superstarmiles I agree, Goku is about the fight and he has done heroic things but u know it’s not on Superman where he makes it his Life to try to help everyone the best he can, both are GOATS at the end of the day
@@mazingg2367 Goku is a hero tho, through his actions, not intentions. You can't deny Goku saved Earth multiple times as a kid alone, even more as an adult. That is a hero. Also there are plenty of times where he went out of his way to help people, even at his own loss, like reviving Upa's father even if he could just have gone 'nah, I got my four-star dragonball, cya'
I can't say I agree because even though Goku does love to fight, he still has a strong moral compass that leads him to put others before himself which is seen even in early Dragon Ball where he saves multiple villages in danger despite not needing to or not having a fun fight, him sacrificing his grandfathers dragon ball in order to bring back a boy's father, defeating the Red Ribbon Army because they were evil, teaming up with his enemy Piccolo at the time in order to save Gohan, etc; I wouldn't say Goku starts fights but fights being unavoidable such as him needing to defeat the Ginyu Force in order to get the dragon balls which led to him having to face Frieza, The Androids were sent to kill him, Majin Buu was a threat he had to fight against, Beerus was trying to find the Super Saiyan God and Goku wanted to spar against which didn't change Beerus' decision to go to earth which led Buu to be the one to provoke him, Frieza returning for revenge, trying to stop Goku Black and Zamasu, Goku inadvertently saved the universes due to his request because Zeno was going to destroy the lower universes which never correlated with Goku, Paragus sending Broly on him and Vegeta, and the manga arcs showing more of Goku trying to prevent conflict. We see how Goku is willing to reason or talked down a situation if the opponent is being forced to fight or working with wrong information while also never forcing someone to fight if they choose not to because he is a martial artists that wants to test himself against people who are willing to fight such as with Broly and other characters. Many of the situations you brought up weren't fully correct because Goku knew that Gohan was the only one that could save the earth and the senzu bean was needed to push Gohan, letting Frieza reach full power to embarrass him, Goku being shown to spend plenty of time with his family, and showing empathy through trying to redeem his villains through battle which is explained in his conversation with a character in the manga. I would say that Goku and Superman would get along because despite there differences in the usage of power and goals, they both have a desire to protect whats dear to them and fight against enemies that would endanger them while also taking into account that they would likely have a friendly rivalry while also inviting each others families over for dinner. I think they would have a strong amount of respect for each other at the very least.
I feel like to fully understand Goku, Superman would have to spar with him because words alone wouldn't be connecting. It would basically be like Meerus and Goku. But after Superman fights Goku, in the process, like everyone elsem somehow he comes out as an even better person than before. Like a weight getting lifted off his shoulders or purified of something that he's been struggling with internally. Meanwhile after the fight Superman gives pointers to Goku, things that will help his every day life better like the importance of table manners or ways to be a better husband that better displays his appreciation for his Wife. But to everyone's shock, he actually gets through to Goku, a bit.
@@JakeSmith-mq5dc That's why I think while it may be rocky at first they would become buds. Superman has this internal problem where he always has to limit himself because he doesn't want to hurt those weaker than him. (World of cardboard speech.) Man never gets the chance to actually cut loose often so having someone like goku to spar with might make him feel less insecure about his own powers. Goku is a fighter but also a country bumkin who cares about the people he's come to know. He also happens to have a very special intrest in fighting the strongest around and getting better at fighting. He also tends to not understand social cues sometimes and comes across as bizarre for plenty of people. He's a well meaning guy that you can get along with. He can be awkward every once in a while and while they both don't have the same worldview they can still get along well. Superman would totally get onto him though for abandoning responsibilities to go train or fight though.
@@TheUltimateMachineGod In other words, Superman big bothering Goku with misunderstandings and frustrating talks over meals. Superman sees Gohan: How did you raise such a responsible and respectful son? Goku: It was mostly my wife and his Master Piccolo. I didn't put a lot of thought into it. Just did my best and let him do his own thing. Superman smiles: I think you did more than you think. He's a nice young man with a strong sense of justice. Goku: Ya think so? Shouldn't the credit go to Gohan though if he turned out so great and not me? I was away from home a lot. Superman: What's that supposed to mean? You don't seem the type to abandon his family, but...
@@JakeSmith-mq5dc Yeah I think the fundamental difference between Superman and Goku is that they both had similar humble beginnings but completely different childhoods. Despite not meeting his biological parents Superman had earth foster parents that raised him with moral values. Values that he takes with him as he commits to his duty as a superhero. Goku on the other hand only really had grandpa gohan as a father figure and even that was shortlived since goku accidentally killed him in his great ape form. As a result Goku doesn't have a deep or meaningful understanding of family like most people would. He understands a very basic idea of family but at best he probably puts them on the slightly higher pedestal as some of his closest friends. Although it's made very apparent he would do anything to protect his family that much is true. He'd be pissed if anything bad happened to them it's just that Goku's upbringing or lack thereof has resulted in him not really recognizing more nuanced things outside of fighting and martial arts. Really I think that's probably the thing Clark will realize and empathize with most. It'd be even better if Clark ever got to spar or even train with him as it would allow him to get to know Goku more.
Considering how the tournament of power started and Goku essentially started a battle royal with to the death stakes because he was bored nullifies your entire essay. Z Goku is understandable, but once you hit super, he becomes inexcusable. GT Goku & Xeno Goku are straight laced though.
The problem with this theory is the fact that it would make Superman look like a hypocrite if he ever judges Goku about his decisions. Superman has his fair share of sparing all kinds of villains. From thieves to super galactic threats, Superman is no stranger to sparing villains, at one point the guy LITERALLY spared Darkseid, y'know? The guy that literally terrorizes planets because yes?
@@jacobrivera1721 also a bonus seeing my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and Conner Kent superboy and supergirl meeting goku family like gohan goten and pan would be amazing and adorable. 🥰
Imma say it upfront, I wholeheartedly disagree. For one, Goku does think about his actions whenever it comes to redeeming his villains, he keeps doing it because it keeps working. Started with Tenshinhan, or you could say Piccolo Jr. With Junior, after defeating him, he LITERALLY had to stop GOD from killing him because the Dragonballs would become inert for the foreseeable future. Even with Vegeta, he saw how his training caught him up to Vegeta and knew within Vegeta’s own saiyan instincts, that he’d want another fight with no interruptions. Even before he fought Vegeta, he wanted Gohan and Krillin to leave and heal up because they had been through enough. Even when Goku gets to Namek, he only ends up fighting Frieza due to circumstances of being the only person capable of taking him on. Also the “Hope of the universe” is English dub only, never stated in the manga because Goku IS NOT a superhero, but he’s willing to go out of his way to protect and preserve the life of others. When he turns Super Saiyan, the most Saiyan like he’s ever been, he has the wherewithal to make sure Gohan gets himself, Piccolo, and Bulma off the planet or else their entire trip and the sacrifices would’ve been useless. He gives Frieza another chance because he was at his weakest and never wanted to see him again. Even when Frieza attacked him behind his back, he thought he had killed him because he was willing to. In the cell arc, he doesn’t use the Dragonballs to find Gero’s lab because he didn’t want to over rely on them and they FOR SURE would’ve been too weak to deal with Dabura and Buu in the future if they hadn’t trained and discovered more forms of Super Saiyan. Against Cell, he gave him a senzu bean because he knows that when villains are backed into a corner, they are willing to take everyone down with them. He put Gohan up to fight because he saw the potential within him firsthand and knew that he’d could do it. His only shortcoming in that situation was that he thought Gohan was like him, in that he loved to fight, but was wrong because he didn’t add in the fact that he was half human and didn’t have that same instinct within him. Later on, we literally see Cell blow himself up because he was backed into a corner and was willing to destroy the solar system afterwards just to kill the others. The entire Buu arc was Goku trying to find a successor to be the protector of earth while he was dead but everyone else kept fumbling. And in the end, he’s revived and he asks Buu to come back as a GOOD GUY because he wants to fight him without the risk of others being hurt. Against Beerus, the guy literally had an alarm set to find a super Saiyan God, literally looking for a fight anyway. To be fair to Goku’s track record, the Supreme Kai was far outclassed by him and others and they had defeated Buu years prior and he FAR exceeded him by then. Frieza reviving wasn’t his fault, U6 vs U7 was due to Beerus and Champa bickering, and even when he had the chance to power up against Black, he was sucked into the future. He only knew that Black was stronger than Trunks, but he didn’t know if he had other forms, so it was best to not show his full hand. When it comes to the T.O.P. we know as viewers what was actually going to happen. If anything, if Beerus and Shin were better at their jobs, they wouldn’t have been ranked so low anyway. Superman is a person that tries his best to understand people, Goku does that through fighting, which is why he gives people second chances. Obviously Goku wouldn’t be a great detective like Batman, but he’d for sure do his best to defeat the enemy and still try to see the good in them and spare them.
@@greg-hemroid If you didn't post that, then nobody would know you won't read all that. But instead you decided to share how you glorify your own lazyness. Why people so obsessed with shaming themselves?
Interestingly, I think Superman would get along great with Gohan (in or out of Great Saiyaman mode). He basically has the same mentality about fighting that Superman does.
Goku litterly trys to redeem villians and in the moro arc he was literally fighting has a law enforcer and left the organization when theyntold him to kill the main bad cause he wanted to redeem him since he saw a path to redemption in him. Which was proven correct cause he is a being that kills has it his his nature not for some goal or malice. He is just a carnivore hunting prey.
@@sarthakarora3212the reason Superman would hate Goku has nothing to do with him killing people. He'd hate him because he's willing to endanger the world to get a good fight.
@@glasses685 and super does that for other reasons. Lol goku has revival tickets so he is fine with it. Remeber SS1 HAPPENED due to his anger boiling above the limit and still tried to redeem friza.
Goku didn’t knowingly put his universe at risk. As like you said he didn’t know Zeno was going to destroy them. Goku giving Cell a Senzu Bran was a tactic. Gohan wouldn’t unlock his power before Cell starts lashing out. He needed to play Cell’s ego. Superman has went along with such tactics before, and he wasn’t against them. Goku wasn’t going to fight Frieza. He literally showed up, saved his friends and kid, got his body stolen, healed, and had to save his friends. Goku won’t let someone power up if he senses actual danger. Both he and Superman frequently gauge their opponents abilities/mentality. Both have had it backfire. Goku didn’t know Goku Black’s abilities or that he was short on time. He was gauging him. Superman would’ve done the same. As he’s always holding back. With Beerus it wouldn’t have made a difference as the fight would still happen. He wasn’t even going to fight or realize the stakes, as Beerus wasn’t explained properly to him. To Goku he didn’t seem like a threat either. Countless times Superman has also done this, and will continue to do so. Normal Clark’s morals also have put people in jeopardy. While not for thrill, his naivety have started conflicts before. You even showed a clip of Clark having to be held back. As he was needlessly picking a fight. Superman has also always tried to spare villains. He has taken pity/mercy time and time again. He wants to end them, but doesn’t. While different reasoning behind their actions both have the same consequences. Clark’s tend to be worse, as the villains come back with vengeance more often. Hurting numerous innocent people. But it’s okay for him to spare them. Goku does believe in second chances. Yes Goku does want to fight them again, but he uses that as an olive branch to reach out for a mutual understanding/connection. Superman has also thought short term numerous times. It’s not exclusive to Goku. Like the time he went to fight Darkseid alone. Goku’s not to blame for how he is as a husband. Chichi knew exactly what she was getting into. She’s the one that added all the conflict to the marriage. Like needlessly overspending all Goku’s money. When there’s zero reason. Or the verbal, emotional, and physical abuse. She even discriminates against Saiyan’s like Bulma. Never facing repercussions for their actions. She’s lucky Gohan actually wanted to be a scholar. Goku was never taught how to be a good husband or father. Nor did anyone ever let him know he’s bad at it. He was also never given a full education past grade school level. None of his allies really try to make him understand that. When Goku was planning his comeback against Beerus he was trying to find a way to avoid Earth being destroyed. Beerus wanted a Super Saiyan God, and a good fight. If they couldn’t give that to Beerus they were done. He knew Beerus holds back, and made sure to watch in case things went too far. If they did he would’ve stepped in. The reason they wouldn’t see eye to eye at first is that Goku sees Clark as frustrated by his own mentality. While Clark would envy Goku’s carefree nature. Both would still become good friends.
And almost on top of the Frieza point, if anything Vegeta was the one who more so got Frieza in a fighting mood. Though he also was angered by the fact Gohan and Krillin essentially "stole" his wish(es) out from under him. So the entire Frieza fight wasn't even necessarily his fault, it's just that Goku had to try and get the gang out of the brawl that had started, but he and the others sorely underestimated Frieza's actual power due to having the "transformations" that hid his true and terrifying power.
Goku has never given someone a second chance besides moro anyone else he let live was so he could fight them again thats the ONLY reason Goku is not a bad father or husband
@@andyplays9493 🤦♂️There’s several instances of Goku giving people second chances, and it wasn’t so he could fight them again. There’s more to Goku than just fighting. I never said he was a bad father. I said his actions are objectively bad, but they aren’t his fault. As well as the fact that his allies have never thought of him as a bad father.
Goku is inherently GOOD. He is a good man, a protector of earth and protector of the people. Everything you said is correct, but you leave out some crucial information you that could justify some actions. Goku takes the fight to desolate locations. Goku gave Cell a senzu bean because he knew Cell would need it - he knew Gohan had the strength to beat him. He fought Frieza not just because he wanted a fight but because he knew he was the only person that could atleast hold him back long enough for his loved ones to escape. He let Frieza power up so he could humble him - not for the best fight. Goku Black is immortal; no amount of power would have won. He had to be deleted from existence. Beerus was looking for the Super Saiyan God; it isnt like Goku could let it slide. It was that or he destroys earth. That was the ultimatum. What would you do if you were goku? Sounds to me like he chose the hero path. He is the Hope of the universe not because hes strong, but because he shows everyone that anyone can stand up to the bad guy..just..like..Batman. So you didnt let Goku have a true shot. Edit: I stand corrected - Goku Black was NOT immortal. He was just very strong and durable.
@aronsmith3417 no actually, Black was indeed immortal and even goku said out of surprise from Black brushing off his attack "agh, he really is immortal!"
@@joeyb7408 which scene was this, cause i swear it was just the one zamasu, also didn't the tenth universe kai metion the reason the fused zamasu's body would starting too look the way it was, by that i mean all the purple shit, was because while zamasu was immortal, goku black was not, unless it's different in the manga?
@@aronsmith3417 i just went to verify. Black is indeed NOT immortal. I think Goku just was taken aback by his astounding durability. So, there i was wrong for sure.
The lesson that Goku learned and took to heart the most was Roshi/Jackie Chun teaching him "There's always someone stronger". Seems like his thinking is "Well, sure I'm strong, but there's someone stronger! So if I have to fight him, then I have to be stronger too!"
There's also a huge difference in the way Goku and Superman conduct their battles. When Superman fights his enemies like Darkseid, Zod and Brainiac, it almost always happens within large cities like Metropolis, putting hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people in harm's way. When Goku fights powerful enemies like Saiyan Arc Vegeta, Freeza, and/or the Androids, he always tries to lead his opponents away from any cities or other settlements to keep damage and casultties to a minimum before they start their fight. In that aspect, Superman is way more wreckless in his fights then even Goku is.
To be fair, Dragon Ball doesn't take place on a normal version of earth. It's still called earth but it quite literally an earth where the vast majority of the earth is filled with unpopulated areas with very little if any cities. Meanwhile, the DC universe is based a lot more like the real world in America that has a lot more cities in it so it's a lot harder to lure bad guys away from it. In short, comparing the DC universe to the Dragon Ball universe is like comparing apples to oranges.
To be honest, I think you kinda misunderstood some of the moment you mentioned about Goku. Like how he starts fights, and the two moments you mention being Frieza and Beerus. Sure Goku did want to fight Frieza because he was strong but something else to note about Goku wanting to fight him, is that Goku knew it would be impossible to avoid Frieza because their end goals we're the Dragon Balls meaning that Frieza was going to go after Goku anyway (like he did with Krillen and Gohan). Plus, Frieza was killing everyone on Namk and to an extent threatening Goku's friends and family safety. And the thing about Beerus, Goku asked politely to spar with him, and Beerus accepted so I don't think Goku really had a reason to be as scared as he really should've due to the fact it was a fairly normal and chill encounter they had.
You dont know much about either character. Grandpa gohan didnt impart that lesson but roshi did. Superman isnt a judgemental character. Goku recklessness isnt the case. Especially since goku does something that superman doesnt. He moves the battles out of cities. Infact goku would question supermans reasoning for not doing that. Batman cant reasonably do it but superman can. Plus hed respect his sense of self improvement. He has martial artist friends that arent in the batfamily. In the 30th century part of the legion of superheroes is a hero named karate kid. Hed understands that thirst for improvement.
@ComicCasualVideos Superman is not a good father either.He allows his 10-year-old kid to go into war with people who is fully willing to kill him superpowers or not
@@davidspearim5552 Goku having no moral standing basically is wrong if you watch dragon Ball till super you see his morals like Goku killed an entire army because he feels like there being nothing but bad guys and krillin tells him to stop killing and goku does his best to keep his promise. Or how many towns and cities he saved in just dragon Ball even if there wasn't no reason to help them he just saw it as the right thing to do. Goku wanting to fight strong people in the universes and basically made top but it's not his fault Zeno was going to destroy the universes it's beerus fault for taking a nap all Goku did was give them a chance to live Goku mistakenly helped saved every universe with the invention of the tournament
I once read this awesome fan manga where darkesid took control of goku and sent him after Superman. They fought, batman freed him, and they teamed up to fight Darkseid. It was pretty awesome.
I read that to. Good times. Did you know, there was a sequel where Superman got stuck in the Dragon Ball world. Met the Great Saiyaman, got into a fight with Beerus. Vegeta scoffing in his direction.
@iryn-e1953 youtube won't allow me to send a link so on TH-cam just search unrealentgaming goku vs superman manga. He's made videos on it and he might have a link to it in his description.
Pretty much the big difference between Goku and Superman is what they’re primarily fighting for. Superman fights entirely to protect and save people he’s a defender, while Goku, while he does fight to protect people, primarily fights just to fight and get stronger he’s a warrior
If goku met superman, goku would ask him to spar.. would even mention a spot he could fight superman without others in the way. Superman might not want to fight pointlessly... but... He would likely be interested in someone who can actually handle him not having to hold back everything he had
Everyone would like Goku outside of having to fight a villain. Goku, beyond his selfishness, is a genuinely good guy and by the metrics of morality in his own series he is supremely pure of heart. I can unironically see him hanging out with and sparring Wonder Woman from time to time, actually, maybe deciding to train the batkids because he sees a bit of Gohan in some of them. Hell, even though Goku would probably pester him for a fight, I can totally see Superman and Goku hanging out. But when a big bad comes along, the Justice League are all fighting and giving their all against a big bad…then Goku shows up all giddy and everyone just groans because they just KNOW if the bad guy is strong enough Goku will just let him go.
Dude, Goku is not the "Hope of the Universe". That was the english DBZ dub only. And that just adds to why they might get along, but will never agree on the basic philosophy of life.
Ironically, the senzu bean thing is one of the times goku is thinking more heroically. He's trying to see if gohan is going to be that next protector of earth. And what would goku have learned if gohan beat a cell that was already tired out?
Sorry, but you're wrong. Superman holds back, for a different reason, but he still holds back. They both allow their opponents to get second, third, forth chances. And while you might say its selfish, because he wants for others to get better so he has a better challenge, but Superman's philosophy of giving his opponents chances is also so that they can do better, because he believes "it's the right thing for someone in his position to do." Superman's reasoning is actually more selfish and vapid than Goku's.
Goku didn’t know Zen-oh was going to destroy the universes till the rules were established. Prior to this he believed it was just going to be a fun tournament. He asked Zen-oh for this tournament during the U6 vs U7 arc no rules or penalties were set just get the other universes involved. Post Goku Black arc he goes to remind zen-oh of that deal and Zen-oh remembers and decides to do it. The agreement of universes being erased was still unknown. By the time it was known it was too late. Goku could not back out not without risk not that he would back out. Sources: Dragon Ball Super Episodes 41, 77 and 78.
@@windandcloudshadow158quick question do you think you would try to mind control him to make him a weapon considering if he learned about his abilities
@@windandcloudshadow158ki manipulation existence erasure to some degree because he survived the ball of energy superhuman reflexes and all the stuff that involve ki that includes every down to physical level and mental level cuz it's a small chance Goku will get mind control honestly cuz I can see it happen or getting manipulated it's a fighting somebody
8:21 he was giving cell a senzu beans to test gohan, he needed to awaken gohan potential that he knew wouldn’t be awoken in any other way, SO that when him and vegeta are gone, the east will still have someone who can protect it
I feel like even if he wouldn't see eye to eye with Goku, he would most definetly see eye to eye with his son and probably invite him to join the justice league after enough time has passed
Would Superman invite someone that cares more about living the normal life than being a superhero, Superman is too selfless to force a philosophy on to gohan
@@anime_world6684 I Don’t think he’d force him, I said it more as in he’d extend an invitation to him, something like “I understand the appeal of living the life of a family man Gohan, trust me, I wish every day I could do what you do, so I won’t try to take that away from you, just know, that if you ever need our help, the league will be there to help you and your loved ones, and that if something bad ever happens, and we need all the help we can get, we hope we can count on your help”
Gohan and Superman would get along well, when it comes to fighting Gohan doesn’t fight like Goku, he doesn’t really even like to fight, instead Gohan only fights when he has to in order to protect his family and everyone else from harm similar to Superman
"Goku literally put all universes in danger...even though he didn't know that the universes were already at risk of being erased." You literally contradicted yourself dude, but that's not surprising since there seems to be some heavy handed bias here from the get go with the mentioning about all of the (usually extremely biased and inaccurate) superman fan made videos pitting the two against each other in a head to head even though the video isn't supposed to be about that by your own admission. The universes were already at risk of being erased because Zeno was bored, then Goku showed up to remind Zeno about the tournament that Zeno had previously stated as having a desire to put together because he found it entertaining. You fell for Bergamo's gaslighting of events harder than anyone in the show did because it was literally because of Goku wanting to fight in the tournament that Zeno himself wanted to do that the universes as a whole weren't erased and you even stated that too, but then you backtracked and did a whole 360 just to make it seem like Goku is a selfish reckless idiot compared to Superman, you know, the same guy who doesn't hesitate to destroy buildings or government property and has multiple versions of himself where even just a butterfly farting in the wind is enough to make him turn into a full blown supervillain. The truth is that Goku wouldn't like Superman because Superman thinks he's above everyone else and lacks any sense of control which is regularly shown in his countless instances of reckless disregard for the safety of others, meanwhile Goku literally fought the god of destruction himself and kept damage to a minimum, even figuring out how to cancel out the shockwaves of their punches colliding purely because he didn't want to cause unnecessary destruction, a thing that his opponent only found to be amusing. Even when fighting against Vegeta, Buu, and pretty much every other opponent, his first thought and concern is about protecting others, meanwhile Superman's first thought is always "time to punch this guy through ten sky scrapers in an overcrowded city, I'm sure everyone will be just fine." Goku may not be a hero, but he is a better man than Superman.
That's a massive cover up because Goku got a lot of backlash for his decision so they decided to paint Zeno as a villain like with Jiren. It doesn't change the fact Goku was still willing to jeopardize the multiverse for his own selfish desires despite Beerus warning him. Goku from Super isn't a better person than Superman.
@@Knowledge00856 like Superman is any better, following Batman’s ideologies and letting supervillains like Darkseid live. Goku actually knows when someone needs to be put down. Yes, he gives them chances to walk away but even he will say enough is enough at one point. And again, why would Goku have known that Zeno would erase the universes that lose? Do you honestly think that Goku would have advocated for that? It’s not Goku’s fault that the ruler of the multiverse is even more immature than he is.
Darkseid has to exist in the verse or the universe will be destroyed because he is the embodiment of evil he's a multiversal concept so just killing him wouldn't work the only time to kill him they have to kill him before he became that as a new born and superman wouldn't do that no matter how evil he would become
@@SpammytheHedgehog vegeta: KAKAKOT, What are You Doing Goku: what do you mean Vegeta?! Vegeta: I’m NOT Stupid KAKAROT, You Clearly Found yourself A New Sparring Partner with this Kryptonian Goku: 😅✋this is Kal Superman: Hello 👋 Vegeta: *Scoff* 😒 Goku: Don’t worry Vegeta, all 3 of us could spar if u want. Superman: yeah 👍 Vegeta: 🙄 Fine.
@Peakplatypus Honestly, I feel like Superman's curiosity would have him pester them about it, his staring making it even more embarrassing for Vegeta causing him to be even more self-conscious and failing. Superman meets Veku rather than Gogeta, then tries to interview him on the spot for a story.
Theres another reason why goku is so lax about villians compared to superman. He has a magical undo button in the form of the dragonballs which makes it so he can afford the collateral most of the time. Consequences arent as dire as result because anyone who dies can just come back. If he didnt have them he might be a bit less reckless.
Goku and the Z-Fighter do use them for that, but they do try to avoid using it and stop the big bad from destroying their chance to use it. Plus they can't revive infinitely. He isn't lax cause of that reason. He never really lax cause he on guard or think the enemy is weaker then what everyone assume at first.
No, the dragon balls are not a undo button. Sure the can undo things but only ONCE, one of the dragon ball's prime rules is that once a wish is done, that wish can't be done again. Goku literally says after krillin dies to frieza "we can't wish him back using earth's dragon cause we already wished him back before".
I think that goku is a better hero overall even though he may not seem like it. There has been many moments where he convinced villans and also force them in areas where there is no innocent life that can be taken in collateral.
For most of the runtime that Goku has been in dragon ball - I would agree However anything after the Moro arc I would say his entire motive changed, and I would see superman be more accepting of goku He became a protector, all to fulfill merus' wishes and the next arc he doesn't even fight on earth, far away from it and not able to harm it He tried to help Moro, let him change and make sure he goes into galactic prison by choice to give himself in He tried to reason with granolah, didn't want to fight to begin with and try tell him the truth about the current Saiyan's Another thing to mention, every time goku has given someone a second chance such as Frieza he specifically told him to never meet him ever again, he didn't want to fight him, unlike Vegeta, which was a mistake on his part which he acknowledged was selfish, just kill him And after Frieza he learned his mistake; Goku tried to kill cell by himself and simply just couldn't. Him giving a bean to cell is telling cell "hey, I might not be able to beat you but trust me my son is going to beat the shit out of you, you're gonna need this" and even at the end of the day he decided to die just to save them all after realizing that he shouldn't have gave him that bean since he misunderstood Gohan. However, Goku DOES pay attention to his wife and children He spent 4 years with Gohan after he was born and was only separated by him because he DIED and then after he came back there was no time for reunions, he went straight to fighting the Saiyan's and then was almost beat to DEATH and unable to move, I don't know how you can have quality time with your son and wife when you can barely even speak let alone move - furthermore, you could say after namek saga he could've went to earth instead of spending a year on yardrat If you just fought a guy who's max could literally go over 40x your normal state and you were only able to win through a literal miracle happening I'd be pretty paranoid about my strength - and if it even is enough to protect those I care about. And even then, Goku once he returned to earth and was prepping for the cell games spent years in the time chamber pushing his son, decided to cut training short literally just because he wanted to spend quality time with him and his wife because he knew he hasn't been with them in a while. Lastly, you could see in the Buu saga that Goku left his son for 7 years, but I'd say for good reason. Demon king piccolo - due to Goku interfering with the pilaf gang, Raditz - literally Goku's brother, wouldn't know earth was a thing without his existence. Vegeta and nappa - notified by raditz which then led to then NEEDING to go to namek because their dragon balls were gone, hence Frieza too. Cell - his raid on the red ribbon army causes both the future timeline to be in shambles and risked the earth In danger - Goku had all reason to believe, he's the problem. His one issue in that arc is not finishing off fat Buu when he could've EASILY done it, same with the fight with Majin Vegeta - but again, this is Goku BEFORE his promise to merus and not fully matured, hell, even in gt after the Buu saga Goku tries to kill the villains instantly - he doesn't give them any chances (no, I don't care that gt is not canon stop mentioning it every time it's brought up 😑 it's official material and therefore should be judged as such) meanwhile in super Goku is the way he is because of the wonky regression of his character, which then gets fixed in the Moro arc and so on Sure, the Goku you're talking about, 100% agree But current manga Goku? Wayyy different story (Sorry for the yap sesh 😅😅 read the whole thing if you want, tldr; anime Goku yes, current manga Goku no)
I would like to Point out that Goku cares more about his friends and family than you realize. The whole reason Goku turned super Saiyan in the namek ark was because freiza game ended krillen (his childhood best friend) right in front of him. For the first time Goku wanted to kill his opponent and excepted his Saiyan biology. He also represents something that Superman would admire talent versus hard work. Goku had to earn his strength. Also it's not like Superman to just flat out judge someone to be a villain because their viewpoints don't align with each other. I'd say he would be more judgemental of Batman then Goku because Goku's not a vigilante who seeks out justice. That was a dubing error that American television got totally wrong.
Just a nitpicky argument here he made gohan fight cell because he knew that 1. Gohan was way stronger than hin and he wasn't holding back and 2. From fighting cell that Gohan was Far stronger than cell he just had to stop holding back goku literally admitted if he had continued fighting cell he'd have lost and he only gave cell the senzu bean because he knew gohan would win
The whole goku only wants to get stronger and fight thing isn't really a part of his character until super which (even though it's never stated if you look at dragon ball and Dragon ball Z it's obvious) takes the fan version like team four stars abridged serious and makes that how goku is characterized when goku was more of a hero in Z
And you mentioned that goku allows powerful enemies to survive when superman does the exact same thing the only difference is he sends them to the phantom zone for 1-5 buisness days
He is still a pure good person who likes to do good things (in original manga), like when he had no perceived reason as to why he would help Turtle get back to the ocean, he did it because he wanted to help, Goku is not a savior, but he is a good person through and through
@@darkalicornkingdoom3572 Just because he isn't a paragon, doesn't mean he isn't a good person and the saviour of the earth. He does mistakes thinking they were the correct choices: sparing frieza thinking he could reform like a lot of other people he meet, giving a senzu bean to cell to give gohan a fight to see if he can take his place as the guardian of earth, but not knowing that gohan is a pacifist. These mistakes as well as selfish goals like wanting villains to be spared so that he can fight the later aren't very paragon like of him, but he is a good person. He saves people because he can: he takes Turtle back to the sea with nothing to gain. When fighting general blue, he saves the rat that saved him out of a collapsing cave, he goes out of his way to save Upas father, even though it would make him lose the 4* ball which was the only thing he wanted, he trained with kami to fight piccolo, but also went out of his way to prepare further so that piccolo would be alive and allowing kami to also live. All of this is just DB, and the most disregarded aspect of goku's character is that he doesn't train just for himself: he trains so that when much stronger enemies come, he can fight. This is both a selfish and selfless reason: so that he can fight someone, but also that when nobody else can save the earth, he can do his part. He isn't a paragon because he is selfish in a lot of his decisions, but he wants to save the earth. What motivates him to better himself is a selfish reason, but that doesn't mean he isn't a good person or a "hero" per say(don't know if I said that last thing correctly).
I feel like this discussion really depends on the Goku. Because Z mindset Goku is DRASTICALLY different from Super mindset, so much that they retcon him not knowing what a kiss was 💀
8:26 simple answer : cos he knew Gohan needed to prove to himself that he will be enough to protect the earth without goku around, who realized he was a large reason for earth's trouble . Might not make sense in short term, but he meant well for earth. It's a shame Gohan had to bare the responsibility of protecting earth. But he was the strongest, what are ya gonna do ya know🤷♂️
A good example of Goku letting his opponents live to come back stronger recently bit him in the ass with FREIZA. He let Frieza live after the fight with Broly, only for Frieze to come back in his Black Frieza form and Goku and Vegeta were already weakened and at his mercy, and Frieza may now be stronger then even them in their Ultra Forms, Ultra Instinct and Ego. So it's only a matter of time till he comes back, they were lucky he let them live. Superman does kill, but ONLY if he deems he needs to.
Superman and Gohan would be best friends. Both have the highest potential of their universes. Both super geniuses. Both dislike fighting. Both have a Super hero moniker. Both cherish life. Superman didn't want to kill Doomsday and Gohan didn't want to kill Cell, even though both were artificial lifeforms.
Goku a Martial artist fighter Superman More a hero somebody to protect people but the one thing that brings them together is that they both fight for different things they often fight for good they most definitely would
Goku straight up did not want to fight Gas nor Granolah if they weren't interested/mislead into fighting. And this is the same Goku that gets excited at the ideal of sparring with Beerus & Vegeta. It really is a case of his saiyan genetics going crazy for the plot but not always.
@@MegaMachiOnline gas n granola wanted to fight Goku and kill him and Vegeta there was no reasoning with them at that point in time when the arc was starting
@@Randomguyusee perhaps, but the instant goku thought he won, he tried to reason with granolah hence his "overconfidence" causing him to get heavily punished which is to say, goku's a bit too laid back/trusting sometimes
@@MegaMachiOnline the dragon Ball villains I'm not going to lie are very sneaky when it comes down to pretending to act like they're weak but the thing is even Vegeta himself tried reasoning with granola say what Frieza did to the saiyans mostly granola was stuck on his revenge the hetters if I spelled their name right gaslight in manipulated Goku and Vegeta telling lies about granola Vegeta was the only one doing some form of detective work I doubt at that time granola was so hell-bent on killing Goku and Vegeta it would most likely have to take reasoning from Goku Vegeta and oatmeal to try reason with him play Minato the green Old namekian also if I'm correct Goku got speed blitz when he was an ultra instinct somehow but that kind of indicated that he was stronger than Goku I don't know if it's correct though that was a thing that shocked people
@@Randomguyusee ui's automated reflexes eats away at his stamina and left an opening for granolah to strike vitals that were functionally nonexistent before but goku on defense in blue ui was able to fluster gas for a bit, so the power gaps weren't too insane despite how many power increases there were
I think Superman while not entirely approving of Goku's ways would 1. understand goku's mind set if he knew how Saiyan's are Naturally. 2. Respect that Goku tries to keeps innocents from being hurt in the crossfire of his fights 3. willingness to protect the earth. Goku is no hero but the Superhero but he is also no inherent danger to the planet anymore then any other superhuman is if Superman can look past Batman's methods of half crippling every henchman he sees and Batman's necrotic need to have a way to take everyone he knows down, he would not have any issues with Goku's "I want him to get stronger so I can fight him again."
I don’t know. Saying Goku seeks out unnecessary conflict is a bit of a stretch to me. I feel like while yes he is so heavily focused on fighting to test his limits and grow, he also numerous times acknowledges himself as a protector and actively takes steps to ensure Earth is and will be safe well after he’s gone. Now yes quite a few of his actions have put others in harms way, however to that I ask you, what superhero’s actions haven’t put someone in a danger before. And alot of these times, Goku does have a better reason that just the thrill of the the fight. Frieza, to test his power and also try to take down Frieza, the tyrant of the universe. Cell, he gave him a senze bean so that his strength could draw out Gohan’s full potential. That way when Goku’s gone, he knew the Earth would be safe with his son. Tournament of Power, he gave his Universe a chance to fight for their survival rather than just being erased. Etc. Overall, while they would have disagreements over Goku’s saiyan nature, I still believe they would more than likely be great together.
And Goku’s a great father. Especially compared to a lot of fathers in fiction. When Gohan was losing against Cell, he realized that his son isn’t like him, he isn’t a fighter like he is. He’s a scholar. Then in super, Goku is constantly thinking about Gohan’s studies. Rarely wanting to interrupt them and apologizing anytime he does. And to say he doesn’t care about his family and rarely their safety is absurd. The beginning of super literally shows him doing some work for his family and training at the same time. Even when Mr. Satan offered him money, he tried declining even though it would have allowed him to get back to training faster. He’s very forgetful and absent minded but his heart is always in the right place. Hell, just go back and rewatch him first meeting Goten and then him saying goodbye.
I think I'm gonna have to disagree with some portions of the Goku section. You're focusing way too much on goku's nature that you ignore the context of why he does things. Yes Goku wanted to fight frieza at first, but he faced the ginyu force first before that, and his fight with ginyu puts him out of commission for a while. After that, he NEEDED to fight frieza to save his friends and son, the goal also changes when he attained ssj for the very first time. The goal was not the thrill of the fight anymore but to put frieza down both physically and mentally, goku NEEDS to put this tyrant down for the betterment of the universe. You know, like superman does with his alien opps? In the senzu bean section, he gave cell senzu because he believes in his son way too much that he thought cell would need to be at full power to even hurt him, goku realized this mistake later on and tries to get into the fight himself so gohan can retreat, which backfired by cell intercepting. I dont see it as goku wanting to see his son fight a hopeless battle like throwing your own pet cat against dogs, but he genuinely believes on his son that he can do this. In fact, he's literally the only one who believed on gohan. The only times where goku really actively seeks a fight was in super, honestly, and its only in a few circumstances. Hit, Zamasu, and the start of ToP are basically the only ones. He didnt seek to fight beerus, beerus searched for SSG specifically, he didnt seek a fight with Goku black and he has no idea about the consequences of his spar with zamasu, he didnt seek to fight broly, he didnt seek to fight moro, same for granolah and Gas. This section of goku was put out of context that I have to pause the video for a while cos it pisses me off. You love goku and I understand that, but ngl man you're really putting him in a bad spotlight here as a character no matter how much you tell us that its not your intention, by putting what he did out of context (except for ToP, I agree that goku actually endangered the multiverse with that one), what will the casual audience (that didnt watch or read dragon ball content) think of him now after this video? See what I mean? Meanwhile you glaze superman a lot when in actuality, he's the one endangering the people here instead of Goku. In all the clips you showed us with supes, npc's are always present in his fights, he doesnt take the fight outside where no people is present. He actively throws his opps on buildings (which who knows if there are still people in it), and he's supposed to be the heroic one here. And I watched most of the og clips you've shown here so I know the context of his fights, but he still chooses to throw his opps on buildings. Superman is really only heroic when it doesnt involve fights
Theory: I think Goku gave Cell the Senzu Bean to plant a seed of overconfidence in Cell specifically for Gohan to take advantage of. His youth and size were contributing factors, Cell not knowing just how much power Gohan had. Then, when Gohan told Cell about his anger, it sparked the Vegeta in him.
9:06 here is the thing, goku first has to deal with the ginyu force as his son and friend nearly died to them and he didn't take that lightly, he got heavily wounded so he had to do nothing but heal for quite a while, then he has to fight frieza ask otherwise his friends would have died as he then has to make a grave, almost die fighting frieza, watch his best friend die, then get his son away before he lost control of himself. Then Comes the only option where he gets a choice of letting frieza power up which this one isn't even to enjoy the fight but as insurance that if he were to beat frieza, frieza would give up on being evil. He then was forced into a time limit, and after sparing frieza's life after enough convincing, he gets instantly stabbed in the back before destroying the immediate threat and then just barely escaping the planet blowing up due to luck and then nearly dies anyway. There was not much of a choice in fighting frieza anyway and jeez goku did not have a good time on namek.
If u put Goku in a world/ universe like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, King Of Fighters, Dead Or Alive, or Killer Instinct he’d b right at home since these worlds function around the concept of tournaments which heavily revolves around fighting which Goku is primarily about u don’t really c him going around stop bank robberies, armed muggings jewelry heists, acts of terrorism or saving people from falling off a building, pulling a cat out of a tree 4 a little girl no he prefers to have long dragged out fights (that take 5 episodes to conclude) whereas Superman would try to finish the fight as quickly as possible to prevent innocent lives from getting hurt it’s just that simple
While I agree with a lot said here, you also need to consider that most of Goku's enemies end up allies later. He gives Piccolo, Vegeta, Yamcha, and Tien even. People that fought him with malicious intent, and then they became friends. Goku loves to fight; he does, and he makes many ridiculous choices like the Cell Senzu one. He also, is willing to give anyone a second chance, with selfish and selfless reasons. Goku also does the full power-up thing because he both wants to get stronger, yes; he also wants to show that as the enemy is, they are no longer a threat. Goku's mantra is exceeding your limits. Something Superman CANNOT relate too. Superman is factually incapable of understanding this subject, because he has never experienced it. It is the personal reason I think Superman is a terrible character and a hypocrite, but I digress. I also personally think even if Clark never liked Goku, Goku would still like Superman. As Goku is willing to show respect and reverence where it is due. Oh ALSO BIIIIG NOTE. EVERY TIME SUPERMAN LETS BRAINIAC, LEX, OR ZOD GO, HE IS LITERALLY DOING THE EXACT THING YOU ARE TELLING US GOKU DOES. Which is mostly a comic issue rather than inherently Superman's fault. Batman gets more flack than anyone for this, smh, like he is the only non-fatal hero in comics or something. But my point is every time Joker breaks out and kills more (insert any villain you like, really), people and the hero does not permanently remove the means to do so; they are letting innocent people die under the falsehood of doing the right thing. If the "Right" thing gets a hundred people killed every time you do it, it is not "right" or moral.
The main issue I see is that Goku doesn’t worry too much about the safety of others because he has the dragon balls. Whenever a fight is done he can always just go pop around for a half hour gathering the balls and wish everyone back to life. Having that dramatically reduces the need to be proactive about saving lives.
Ok, I got to heavily disagree. Boiling down Goku to just "I like to fight strong people", is a complete misunderstanding of the character. Yes, Goku loves a good fight but, at the end of day Goku is a hero who will take someone down if need be. Not to mention, Goku knows he wouldn't always be there to protect the earth and those he cares about so, he tries to train the next generation. Goku never intentionally puts Earth in danger. He even leaves to keep it safe. Goku giving mercy isn't because Goku wants another chance to fight them, it's because Goku doesn't like killing people. Goku is a good guy and wants people to be better. Goku also only does this for foes he knows he can defeat. Not to mention, there are no consequences in Dragonball. Goku knows he can bring people back to life with the Dragonballs. Goku giving Cell the senzu bean was more nessisary then people realize. Gohan going SSJ2 was the only way the Z fighters could beat Cell and Cell at full power is what caused Gohan to eventually go SSJ2. Goku IS NOT A BAD FATHER! Goku died for his kids, multiple times. Goku acknowledges Gohan wants to be a scholar and doesn't want to be a fighter if he doesn't have to be. One of the first thing Goku does when he is brought back is hug Goten. Goku watched over his kids from Otherworld. He is even supported of Gohan being a Superhero. Goku loves ChiChi. Goku does what she asks despite not liking. Not to mention, Goku will even change his moral compass if he finds out she is in danger or killed. As for Superman. Batman is one of Superman's best friends. Sure, sometimes they disagree but most of the time they do agree. Also, the idea that Superman never puts anyone in danger isn't nessisary accurate. Superman's very existence brings challenges and threats. Superman even caused multiple natural disasters because he wanted to bang Wonder Woman. He also spares his enemies just like Goku. There are also multiple instances of Superman being intrigued about a fight or training. Sure he doesn't want to fight if he doesn't have too but that doesn't mean he is against it. He has a training room in the Fortress of Solitude, enjoyed training others like his kids or family. And is friends with a race of battle harden warriors. I definitely feel like Superman and Goku would get along fine. And they would spar if they knew they could fix the result of there fight.
@@Knowledge00856 I disagree. Even Super Goku isn't just I like to fight. He didn't spare Zamasu or Moro because they were strong. He knew he had to defeat them because they couldn't change. Goku, or Gogeta rather, is happy he didn't kill Broly because he knew they're was good in him. He got serious with Jiren after he tried to kill his friends and only after Jiren was forgiven did he thank him and ask to battle again. Goku acknowledges that if he fights Frieza after the T.O.P, that he will put him down.
In my opinion, the day both will see eye to eye is the day that their passions compliment and help each other. Goku's self improvement goals always stem to combat and that has actually been a given passion thanks to Roshi and his natural Saiyan behavior. While Superman who not only does not put himself on a pedestal, he also has a sense of good that has him look at his power and think 'I should fight for Truth, Justice, and the American Way' because that's who he is. I think when it comes to saving people, for Superman it's a passion and not just a sacrifice, which even Goku's passion also is. One focuses on the self and the other focuses on others, should a crossover happen then maybe Goku will teach Superman to become stronger for the sake of his home and then some, while Superman could implement a sense of responsibility for Goku since he can possibly help him find joy in other things outside of combat, something worth fighting for and interrupting a villain's transformation for. Though if there'd be a way for them to be closer, it'd be their similar approach to life that is carefree. Superman is not as carefree as Goku but he does know when to hang the cape because it's not just the citizens of Metropolis he loves, it's his family, his friends, his team. Goku on the other hand has nothing to prove other than he just loves to fight and get better at it so he has no envy, no sense of intense ego, and no sense of true bloodlust like his people were usually born with. Plus as seen when it comes to Batman and Vegeta, that carefree attitude of theirs is rather infectious and can teach other hardasses to be more joyful and find peace in their life outside of their obligations and possible obsessions. Goku and Superman would be friends, but definitely not off the bat, imo anyway.
I'm curious if Goku would be more heroic and responsible in his fights if the Dragon Balls didn't exist. Like, he'd have that tragic backstory of losing someone close, so I wonder if that'd be enough motivation.
That's a fun discussion! I know the "hope of the universe" speech was actually a mistranslation. As for giving Cell a Senzu, I think that was more of the Saiyan pride thing. He had the confidence in his son that Cell wouldn't stand a chance if at full health when Gohan was fully revved up. At least, that's how I saw it. As for Freeza, I think he let him fully power up to put him in his place. The biggest pet peeve I think Superman would have would be the decision to give PICCOLO a Senzu at the end of the 23rd Budokai. At the time, Piccolo was VERY dangerous. He was hellbent on world domination and saw Goku as an obstacle to that goal. Letting him live just because Goku needs someone to match him and push his limits is beyond selfish. How many people do you think Piccolo killed in that 5 year hiatus between Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z? How many people were used as target practice for his new tricks? I think if Superman called the shots, he'd have Piccolo sealed with the Mafu Ba. Kami had already shown he can use it without dying, after all. That being said, if all Goku wants is to improve, Superman would be sparring partner of his dreams.
Same stuff im saying this MF gonna stir up some conflict with this video I think he expects Goku to be like and this character like Superman when he is a martial artist a person who wants to fight I feel like he been nitpicking Goku is a fighter of course he's going to want to fight you his heritage is fighting people this dude is honestly pissing me off for this he a good content creator tho
@@TheSsjJoker the funniest thing about the tournament of power is that Zeno was about to erase the entire universes that was on low level on mortals determine was the best option for that current situation I'm not going to lie cuz Goku did not know about it nobody knew I doubt even the grand priest knew about it ngl
You also forget the friendly aspect of superman, he isnt just a moral compass. Hes also very much like spiderman in terms of being friendly with people, hence his friendship with Batman and his parenting role of Billy Batson.
I can imagine that Goku would see Superman as a bit of a stick in the mud while Superman would see Goku as someone whose heart is in the right place but easily manipulated and a loose cannon.
Counter argument against the point about Frieza: He was like that at first, but by the time he actually fought frieza he was enraged and didn’t just want to fight frieza, but also very much wanted to beat him because of everything frieza did to namek. Goku in super is different, he really just wants a fight and the only times he was focused on saving the earth is battle of gods and Goku black arc (even then he wanted to fight)
Come on, you know that speech with Freeza was a dub thing. Funimation really wanted to push the parallels with Superman, even having Vegeta say Goku’s parents were scientists. In Japanese he just tells Freeza that he’s from Earth, came to beat his ass, and was awakened by a violent rage to become a Super Saiyan.
Imagine Superman dealing against Dragon Ball villains like Frieza, Cell, Buu and Zamasu/Goku Black while Goku deals against Darkseid, Doomsday, General Zodand Brainiac (This would be interesting to see a Dragon Ball and Superman crossover)
i actually dissagree most instances you notice that goku dosent seek out fights thats proven by gt which isin't necessarily cannon but goku ends up living a long life without conflict until most problems arise the reason he recommended a tournament to the zeno's was because they were bored and thought they would find what he enjoys fun, also sparing villains isn't also a bad thing in vegeta's case he ended up turning good and frieza he literally said"never hurt anyone ever again" he thought he would after being defeated that he would try to turn a leaf but was immediately proven wrong and blasted him and at that time he thought he killed him inf fact goku spares less people than super man in most cases and since when does goku not care about saving the innocents when majin vegeta shot the crowd of innocents goku not only tried to stop the blast but also got really angry at vegeta and also hiring hit to kill him didn't endanger the life's of anyone that was his own decision it was smart for his safety but worst case scenario they use the dragon balls
The thing is the "hope of the Universe" speach is only in the dub, in the original Japanese and the manga Goku just says that he is a pure hearted Saiyan from Earth, who awakend Super Saiyan via anger. The dub made Goku more heroic than he actually is the the original story. I do think Supes and Goku would become friends, because they become friends with everyone eventually (except for their most evil and unrepentant villains like Freeza, Darkseid, Zamasu, Lex, etc) but I agree they would often not see eye to eye and they're personalities would clash as lot.
I brought up this exact topic with a friend a few months ago along with the exact same points as I think despite Superman would get annoyed with Goku he would likely leave him alone unless the situation called for it seeing as Goku doesn't harass innocent people and tries to have fights where no one else would get hurt
For once I like to see characters discuss their values and their perspectives on life. And see their point of view on what is moral and what isn't moral.
Superman would definitely just be like a babysitter to Goku, Goku is not only a Fighter but his kind of childish too so I can see Superman being the more mature and responsible one in a possible relationship between them. It’s like he doesn’t hate Goku but he has to admit he can be sort of a nuisance sometime while Goku just thinks his cool and wants to fight him a lot.
I see what you mean by them not getting along. But, If superman is supposed to be the hero of hope, inspiration and good, then he'd most likely learn to getting used to Goku's ways. You know, because he isn't the superhero hatred.
Goku is not a hero. He's a warrior that cares most about challenging himself in his never ending quest to improve his martial abilities. His speech about being the hope of the universe was a deliberate change to his character in the early dub. In the manga, and by extension Kai, he said, "I'm the Saiyan who came all the way from Earth for the sole purpose of beating you. I'm the warrior you've heard of in legends. Pure of heart and awakened by fury. That's what I am. I am the Super Saiyan! Son Goku!"
Yeah, I can see that to a degree. Depends on the mood or the day. Some days, they'd get along great, but others. They would just keep any business with each other as limited as possible.
Goku's personality changes each saga and each show. In DragonBall, it was all about the challenge. But in Z and GT, he certainly was more heroic than just a fighter. In Super, he was back to just being in it for the fight.
@@jamesbu9082 thank you my friend for me it feels like he was using specific moments and wasn't really looking at some of the contexts of the situations light show up to the events ngl
@@ComicCasualVideos this video feels like a goku slander. you focusing more on the bad then good. like the hope of the universe line is not canon, he never said that in the Japanese version. it was changed was changed in the American dub of it. Honestly, I feel like Goku is one of the most misunderstood anime protagonist.
There are good videos out there that delve deep into Goku's character. my favourite being totally not Mark's one on it, but at the end of the day, it's an opinion. still enjoyed the video
No, you have a point Superman with knock it along with goku.It's like a soldier trying.Interact with a vigilante so I get your point.And yeah , I agree with you that that they would not get along , but superman would try to be his friend
one thing that I would like to correct is "The hope of the universe" Speech is only canon to english dub. Original Japanese and DBZ kai(which is aiming on cutting filler scene that's not canon) is him declaring that he is the super saiyan that come from earth to defeat Frieza. So no Goku was never acting like superman, That dub just try to make Goku as "Another super hero" that's the protector when he's not one in 99% of situation. Like bro never fight like small crime or anything like small thing for small people, most of the time he just let em die if it mean they can survive and win later unless there was opportunity to save them that he sure they won't die saving people or it's worldwide crisis.
If Goku and Superman met, Goku would obsess over getting stronger than Superman, and probably would push him to become stronger than ever. I think after some struggle they would agree to stay out of each others way when it comes to fights unless the threat requires they work together.
I disagree with this interpretation of Gokus morality I think its more based on memes than the manga. The version of goku people talk about like this is totally devoided of context for those specific moments they mention and closer to the purposely clown like version of DBZ abridged than the dragon ball manga
Goku certainly does like to fight, but more than seeking out fights, in Dragon Ball through Z, he more often than not encountered fights in response to the search for the dragon balls, and got pulled into the fight. The whole 'seek out fights' mentality is an invention of Super. With the fight with Frieza, Goku arrived, and this kid, friend, and Vegeta were already fighting the Ginyu force, and after he was injured, when he recovered, they were already fighting Frieza. There wasn't really a "I don't care" option by that time. He only chose to continue fighting because Frieza clearly would have followed him home, which he did.
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2 things they agree on:
1. Don't fucking touch my family
2. Leave the innocents out of it.
If Goku was in the DC universe. You know damn well that the Joker would take #1 in your list as an open invitation, and fuck with Goku. Although, he had better have a seriously big back up plan for when he does it. I only say this, because he was dumb enough to piss off Superman in the Injustice universe.
Clark watching Goju beting the fate of the human Race with Dark Side😂
@@suiginmigasuto3356I agree but I also think that the most vulnerable person goku knows is chichi and even she’s probably too strong for anything joker can attempt to do😅. Not only that but if he tries going for bulma vegeta will have no issue killing him instantly
@@dxrkskies3872 Lol. You’re right. Chichi would scream his silly ass back to Arkham Asylum, where he’d assume that he’d be safe. 🤣
Uhhh … you do remember he told his son to fight a genocidal DNA Monster then gave said genocidal Monster a free Full Restore … no way in Hell would Superman tell Johnny “hey son, go beat up Darkseid (after I fix him up so it’s fair)!” 😒😒😒
The problem with this entire theory is that Superman is not judgey...Goku might not be perfect but he's a clear cut good guy...Supermans way is to lead by example, not "finger wag"
Yeeeah and he’d at some point give Goku a friendly match once he learns dude just wants to train push his limits and that Goku won’t just turn into dust if Clark accidentally bump into him to hard 😂. Goku doesn’t show overwhelming force against people that can’t fight on his lvl and Superman would see that. Bro kinda missing it a bit with the video here 🤔.
@@NinjaAimlessI think Superman would be excited to fight Goku, Supes says he lives in a world filled with cardboard but to meet someone who can handle him and actually stand his ground against his strength he’d probably would want a friendly match in a isolated part of the universe
@@Jolynesimpnumber4or in the time chamber if that’s around in this hypothetical Superman meeting Goku story, they might break it though 😂
This. The guy doing the video doesnt understand these characters at all
@@Grimsly3736even if they break the tim camber they can just get out .
Goku and Superman would easily get along like Goku isn’t a villain and is pure hearted that has saved his friends and family and desires to protect the earth which Superman respects
@@CJ-qv4sd easy done deal 🤝
Never said he was a villain but what about him throwing a sensu bean to a villain that has intent to kill his son. Or starting fights with beings he didn't have to. He may be a good person but Goku is a fighter first
@@ComicCasualVideos how dragon Ball was written Frieza was set up for Goku the fight everybody was talking about Frieza on namek even his soldiers and plus this was the same man ordering his people to go around killing everybody Goku had to put a stop to that eventually it Frieza wasn't checked he would have eventually came to Earth and the thing is with the context of that situation Goku throwing the senzu beam to cell is it make that man act arrogant nobody not even Goku look up defeat a cell in a cell saga at that current point in time Gohan was the only contender because he had power hidden inside what celll did actually shook goku off guard the moment Gohan snap when's super Saiyan 2 it was done tournament of power Zeno would have erased every universe with a low mortal count if Goku did not suggest that nobody knew that by the way
@@ComicCasualVideos Goku giving cell the senzu bean was more calculated risk than a "move to see a good fight" they needed gohan to go super saiyan 2 for him to actually beat cell, A tired cell could of just straight up either killed gohan after getting bored or decided to destroy the planet and not put up the whole cell jr show. It was only because cell was confident that he decided to set off the specific chain of event that led to the transformation. Then again this is just head canon but IN MY OPINION a very likely chain of events. Also goku has never started a fight with a being he didn't have to, The tournament of power was in hindsight what ended up saving the universes from destruction because Zeno would of ended up destroying them anyways if it wasn't for the tournament Idea.
@@ComicCasualVideos Goku is a father,friend before a fighter.he knew Gohan would defeat cell.also when Gohan was toying cell,Goku told him to finish off cell before it gets out of hand and cell decides to destroy the planet out of frustration
People forget that Goku is not a superhero. He's a fighter and an adventurer.
I can't lie he is a hero because he fights villains in dragon ball z and to be honest I agree with but he is a hero to be honest
@@superstarmiles respect
@@superstarmiles I agree, Goku is about the fight and he has done heroic things but u know it’s not on Superman where he makes it his Life to try to help everyone the best he can, both are GOATS at the end of the day
People see the funimation dub and think goku is a hero 😭
@@mazingg2367 Goku is a hero tho, through his actions, not intentions.
You can't deny Goku saved Earth multiple times as a kid alone, even more as an adult. That is a hero.
Also there are plenty of times where he went out of his way to help people, even at his own loss, like reviving Upa's father even if he could just have gone 'nah, I got my four-star dragonball, cya'
I can't say I agree because even though Goku does love to fight, he still has a strong moral compass that leads him to put others before himself which is seen even in early Dragon Ball where he saves multiple villages in danger despite not needing to or not having a fun fight, him sacrificing his grandfathers dragon ball in order to bring back a boy's father, defeating the Red Ribbon Army because they were evil, teaming up with his enemy Piccolo at the time in order to save Gohan, etc; I wouldn't say Goku starts fights but fights being unavoidable such as him needing to defeat the Ginyu Force in order to get the dragon balls which led to him having to face Frieza, The Androids were sent to kill him, Majin Buu was a threat he had to fight against, Beerus was trying to find the Super Saiyan God and Goku wanted to spar against which didn't change Beerus' decision to go to earth which led Buu to be the one to provoke him, Frieza returning for revenge, trying to stop Goku Black and Zamasu, Goku inadvertently saved the universes due to his request because Zeno was going to destroy the lower universes which never correlated with Goku, Paragus sending Broly on him and Vegeta, and the manga arcs showing more of Goku trying to prevent conflict.
We see how Goku is willing to reason or talked down a situation if the opponent is being forced to fight or working with wrong information while also never forcing someone to fight if they choose not to because he is a martial artists that wants to test himself against people who are willing to fight such as with Broly and other characters.
Many of the situations you brought up weren't fully correct because Goku knew that Gohan was the only one that could save the earth and the senzu bean was needed to push Gohan, letting Frieza reach full power to embarrass him, Goku being shown to spend plenty of time with his family, and showing empathy through trying to redeem his villains through battle which is explained in his conversation with a character in the manga.
I would say that Goku and Superman would get along because despite there differences in the usage of power and goals, they both have a desire to protect whats dear to them and fight against enemies that would endanger them while also taking into account that they would likely have a friendly rivalry while also inviting each others families over for dinner. I think they would have a strong amount of respect for each other at the very least.
I feel like to fully understand Goku, Superman would have to spar with him because words alone wouldn't be connecting. It would basically be like Meerus and Goku. But after Superman fights Goku, in the process, like everyone elsem somehow he comes out as an even better person than before. Like a weight getting lifted off his shoulders or purified of something that he's been struggling with internally.
Meanwhile after the fight Superman gives pointers to Goku, things that will help his every day life better like the importance of table manners or ways to be a better husband that better displays his appreciation for his Wife. But to everyone's shock, he actually gets through to Goku, a bit.
@@JakeSmith-mq5dc That's why I think while it may be rocky at first they would become buds.
Superman has this internal problem where he always has to limit himself because he doesn't want to hurt those weaker than him. (World of cardboard speech.)
Man never gets the chance to actually cut loose often so having someone like goku to spar with might make him feel less insecure about his own powers.
Goku is a fighter but also a country bumkin who cares about the people he's come to know. He also happens to have a very special intrest in fighting the strongest around and getting better at fighting.
He also tends to not understand social cues sometimes and comes across as bizarre for plenty of people.
He's a well meaning guy that you can get along with. He can be awkward every once in a while and while they both don't have the same worldview they can still get along well.
Superman would totally get onto him though for abandoning responsibilities to go train or fight though.
@@TheUltimateMachineGod In other words, Superman big bothering Goku with misunderstandings and frustrating talks over meals.
Superman sees Gohan: How did you raise such a responsible and respectful son?
Goku: It was mostly my wife and his Master Piccolo. I didn't put a lot of thought into it. Just did my best and let him do his own thing.
Superman smiles: I think you did more than you think. He's a nice young man with a strong sense of justice.
Goku: Ya think so? Shouldn't the credit go to Gohan though if he turned out so great and not me? I was away from home a lot.
Superman: What's that supposed to mean? You don't seem the type to abandon his family, but...
@@JakeSmith-mq5dc Yeah I think the fundamental difference between Superman and Goku is that they both had similar humble beginnings but completely different childhoods.
Despite not meeting his biological parents Superman had earth foster parents that raised him with moral values. Values that he takes with him as he commits to his duty as a superhero.
Goku on the other hand only really had grandpa gohan as a father figure and even that was shortlived since goku accidentally killed him in his great ape form.
As a result Goku doesn't have a deep or meaningful understanding of family like most people would.
He understands a very basic idea of family but at best he probably puts them on the slightly higher pedestal as some of his closest friends. Although it's made very apparent he would do anything to protect his family that much is true. He'd be pissed if anything bad happened to them it's just that Goku's upbringing or lack thereof has resulted in him not really recognizing more nuanced things outside of fighting and martial arts.
Really I think that's probably the thing Clark will realize and empathize with most. It'd be even better if Clark ever got to spar or even train with him as it would allow him to get to know Goku more.
Considering how the tournament of power started and Goku essentially started a battle royal with to the death stakes because he was bored nullifies your entire essay. Z Goku is understandable, but once you hit super, he becomes inexcusable. GT Goku & Xeno Goku are straight laced though.
Superman: I want to protect people.
Goku: I want a good fight.
This video in a nutshell
@@SpammytheHedgehog yeah true, goku wants his family to be safe but if it means a good fight, goku is quick to about wanting that
@@TheSsjJoker they make you seem like this man Goku is it about to try to fight you a City full of innocent people on site
@@Randomguyusee 😂😅
True
@@TheSsjJokeryou're one of the few most logical people here respect to you my boy 🤝
The problem with this theory is the fact that it would make Superman look like a hypocrite if he ever judges Goku about his decisions. Superman has his fair share of sparing all kinds of villains. From thieves to super galactic threats, Superman is no stranger to sparing villains, at one point the guy LITERALLY spared Darkseid, y'know? The guy that literally terrorizes planets because yes?
I don't remember him sparing with darkside ever its always a reason they fight not because either of them want a good fight
@@jfoster8624i think you confused sparing with sparring, i think he means sparing as in “letting him live”
@sentientmustache8360 even the letting him live part is wrong because Darkseid can't die it's just a avatar superman can't actually kill him
@@jfoster8624, the avatar can still be killed my guy
@notfex1427 Superman hasn't "killed" darkside in years, let alone spared him because he never has gotten him to that point.
I personally would like to see goku and Superman teaming up because that would be really fun in my opinion.
SAME. A Dragon Ball and DC crossever would go hard
@@JDxY-2 indeed
Same
@@jacobrivera1721 also a bonus seeing my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and Conner Kent superboy and supergirl meeting goku family like gohan goten and pan would be amazing and adorable. 🥰
@@TevyaSmolka that would be badass
Goku would want a fight, Superman wouldn’t, and they’d both respect each other for that, that’s what would happen, and I’m at peace with that.
superman would turn goku into blood lmfao
Cap, other way around@@MoïsePicard-i1t
@@MoïsePicard-i1t My HERO Goku would cure Superman's son of gayness
@@MoïsePicard-i1t
That implies there'd be anything left of Goku.
@ how ?
Imma say it upfront, I wholeheartedly disagree. For one, Goku does think about his actions whenever it comes to redeeming his villains, he keeps doing it because it keeps working. Started with Tenshinhan, or you could say Piccolo Jr. With Junior, after defeating him, he LITERALLY had to stop GOD from killing him because the Dragonballs would become inert for the foreseeable future. Even with Vegeta, he saw how his training caught him up to Vegeta and knew within Vegeta’s own saiyan instincts, that he’d want another fight with no interruptions. Even before he fought Vegeta, he wanted Gohan and Krillin to leave and heal up because they had been through enough. Even when Goku gets to Namek, he only ends up fighting Frieza due to circumstances of being the only person capable of taking him on. Also the “Hope of the universe” is English dub only, never stated in the manga because Goku IS NOT a superhero, but he’s willing to go out of his way to protect and preserve the life of others. When he turns Super Saiyan, the most Saiyan like he’s ever been, he has the wherewithal to make sure Gohan gets himself, Piccolo, and Bulma off the planet or else their entire trip and the sacrifices would’ve been useless. He gives Frieza another chance because he was at his weakest and never wanted to see him again. Even when Frieza attacked him behind his back, he thought he had killed him because he was willing to. In the cell arc, he doesn’t use the Dragonballs to find Gero’s lab because he didn’t want to over rely on them and they FOR SURE would’ve been too weak to deal with Dabura and Buu in the future if they hadn’t trained and discovered more forms of Super Saiyan. Against Cell, he gave him a senzu bean because he knows that when villains are backed into a corner, they are willing to take everyone down with them. He put Gohan up to fight because he saw the potential within him firsthand and knew that he’d could do it. His only shortcoming in that situation was that he thought Gohan was like him, in that he loved to fight, but was wrong because he didn’t add in the fact that he was half human and didn’t have that same instinct within him. Later on, we literally see Cell blow himself up because he was backed into a corner and was willing to destroy the solar system afterwards just to kill the others. The entire Buu arc was Goku trying to find a successor to be the protector of earth while he was dead but everyone else kept fumbling. And in the end, he’s revived and he asks Buu to come back as a GOOD GUY because he wants to fight him without the risk of others being hurt. Against Beerus, the guy literally had an alarm set to find a super Saiyan God, literally looking for a fight anyway. To be fair to Goku’s track record, the Supreme Kai was far outclassed by him and others and they had defeated Buu years prior and he FAR exceeded him by then. Frieza reviving wasn’t his fault, U6 vs U7 was due to Beerus and Champa bickering, and even when he had the chance to power up against Black, he was sucked into the future. He only knew that Black was stronger than Trunks, but he didn’t know if he had other forms, so it was best to not show his full hand. When it comes to the T.O.P. we know as viewers what was actually going to happen. If anything, if Beerus and Shin were better at their jobs, they wouldn’t have been ranked so low anyway.
Superman is a person that tries his best to understand people, Goku does that through fighting, which is why he gives people second chances. Obviously Goku wouldn’t be a great detective like Batman, but he’d for sure do his best to defeat the enemy and still try to see the good in them and spare them.
I ain’t readin allat
I did read it, it's insightful ^^
@@greg-hemroid If you didn't post that, then nobody would know you won't read all that.
But instead you decided to share how you glorify your own lazyness.
Why people so obsessed with shaming themselves?
@@KeyleeTamirian Preciate it a ton
People just be saying stuff not going to lie I'll be seeing some lies even saying some myself just to spread some arguments
Interestingly, I think Superman would get along great with Gohan (in or out of Great Saiyaman mode). He basically has the same mentality about fighting that Superman does.
Yes
Goku litterly trys to redeem villians and in the moro arc he was literally fighting has a law enforcer and left the organization when theyntold him to kill the main bad cause he wanted to redeem him since he saw a path to redemption in him. Which was proven correct cause he is a being that kills has it his his nature not for some goal or malice. He is just a carnivore hunting prey.
@@sarthakarora3212the reason Superman would hate Goku has nothing to do with him killing people. He'd hate him because he's willing to endanger the world to get a good fight.
@@glasses685 and super does that for other reasons. Lol goku has revival tickets so he is fine with it. Remeber SS1 HAPPENED due to his anger boiling above the limit and still tried to redeem friza.
@@sarthakarora3212 by super? u mean superman?
You forgot the most important part of why they would never see eye to eye: Superman is taller.
Aight, I see the door..
No sir...you are correct. I will go see the door lol
Goku didn’t knowingly put his universe at risk. As like you said he didn’t know Zeno was going to destroy them.
Goku giving Cell a Senzu Bran was a tactic. Gohan wouldn’t unlock his power before Cell starts lashing out. He needed to play Cell’s ego. Superman has went along with such tactics before, and he wasn’t against them.
Goku wasn’t going to fight Frieza. He literally showed up, saved his friends and kid, got his body stolen, healed, and had to save his friends.
Goku won’t let someone power up if he senses actual danger. Both he and Superman frequently gauge their opponents abilities/mentality. Both have had it backfire.
Goku didn’t know Goku Black’s abilities or that he was short on time. He was gauging him. Superman would’ve done the same. As he’s always holding back.
With Beerus it wouldn’t have made a difference as the fight would still happen. He wasn’t even going to fight or realize the stakes, as Beerus wasn’t explained properly to him. To Goku he didn’t seem like a threat either. Countless times Superman has also done this, and will continue to do so.
Normal Clark’s morals also have put people in jeopardy. While not for thrill, his naivety have started conflicts before. You even showed a clip of Clark having to be held back. As he was needlessly picking a fight.
Superman has also always tried to spare villains. He has taken pity/mercy time and time again. He wants to end them, but doesn’t. While different reasoning behind their actions both have the same consequences.
Clark’s tend to be worse, as the villains come back with vengeance more often. Hurting numerous innocent people. But it’s okay for him to spare them. Goku does believe in second chances. Yes Goku does want to fight them again, but he uses that as an olive branch to reach out for a mutual understanding/connection.
Superman has also thought short term numerous times. It’s not exclusive to Goku. Like the time he went to fight Darkseid alone.
Goku’s not to blame for how he is as a husband. Chichi knew exactly what she was getting into. She’s the one that added all the conflict to the marriage. Like needlessly overspending all Goku’s money. When there’s zero reason. Or the verbal, emotional, and physical abuse. She even discriminates against Saiyan’s like Bulma. Never facing repercussions for their actions. She’s lucky Gohan actually wanted to be a scholar.
Goku was never taught how to be a good husband or father. Nor did anyone ever let him know he’s bad at it. He was also never given a full education past grade school level. None of his allies really try to make him understand that.
When Goku was planning his comeback against Beerus he was trying to find a way to avoid Earth being destroyed. Beerus wanted a Super Saiyan God, and a good fight. If they couldn’t give that to Beerus they were done. He knew Beerus holds back, and made sure to watch in case things went too far. If they did he would’ve stepped in.
The reason they wouldn’t see eye to eye at first is that Goku sees Clark as frustrated by his own mentality. While Clark would envy Goku’s carefree nature. Both would still become good friends.
Agreed. Superman not putting people in danger is such a joke. The guy put the whole planet in danger because he wanted to bang Wonder Woman.
@@jeremymorris345 wtf
And almost on top of the Frieza point, if anything Vegeta was the one who more so got Frieza in a fighting mood. Though he also was angered by the fact Gohan and Krillin essentially "stole" his wish(es) out from under him. So the entire Frieza fight wasn't even necessarily his fault, it's just that Goku had to try and get the gang out of the brawl that had started, but he and the others sorely underestimated Frieza's actual power due to having the "transformations" that hid his true and terrifying power.
Goku has never given someone a second chance besides moro anyone else he let live was so he could fight them again thats the ONLY reason
Goku is not a bad father or husband
@@andyplays9493 🤦♂️There’s several instances of Goku giving people second chances, and it wasn’t so he could fight them again. There’s more to Goku than just fighting. I never said he was a bad father. I said his actions are objectively bad, but they aren’t his fault. As well as the fact that his allies have never thought of him as a bad father.
Goku is inherently GOOD. He is a good man, a protector of earth and protector of the people. Everything you said is correct, but you leave out some crucial information you that could justify some actions.
Goku takes the fight to desolate locations. Goku gave Cell a senzu bean because he knew Cell would need it - he knew Gohan had the strength to beat him. He fought Frieza not just because he wanted a fight but because he knew he was the only person that could atleast hold him back long enough for his loved ones to escape. He let Frieza power up so he could humble him - not for the best fight. Goku Black is immortal; no amount of power would have won. He had to be deleted from existence. Beerus was looking for the Super Saiyan God; it isnt like Goku could let it slide. It was that or he destroys earth. That was the ultimatum. What would you do if you were goku? Sounds to me like he chose the hero path. He is the Hope of the universe not because hes strong, but because he shows everyone that anyone can stand up to the bad guy..just..like..Batman.
So you didnt let Goku have a true shot.
Edit: I stand corrected - Goku Black was NOT immortal. He was just very strong and durable.
Remember when goku sacrificed his life to save earth?
Pepperidge farm remembers
My only gripe with this is that Black Wasn't Immortal, Zamasu was the one who was immortal, Black was a Zamasu who used body change with extra steps.
@aronsmith3417 no actually, Black was indeed immortal and even goku said out of surprise from Black brushing off his attack "agh, he really is immortal!"
@@joeyb7408 which scene was this, cause i swear it was just the one zamasu, also didn't the tenth universe kai metion the reason the fused zamasu's body would starting too look the way it was, by that i mean all the purple shit, was because while zamasu was immortal, goku black was not, unless it's different in the manga?
@@aronsmith3417 i just went to verify. Black is indeed NOT immortal. I think Goku just was taken aback by his astounding durability.
So, there i was wrong for sure.
The lesson that Goku learned and took to heart the most was Roshi/Jackie Chun teaching him "There's always someone stronger".
Seems like his thinking is "Well, sure I'm strong, but there's someone stronger! So if I have to fight him, then I have to be stronger too!"
There's also a huge difference in the way Goku and Superman conduct their battles.
When Superman fights his enemies like Darkseid, Zod and Brainiac, it almost always happens within large cities like Metropolis, putting hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people in harm's way.
When Goku fights powerful enemies like Saiyan Arc Vegeta, Freeza, and/or the Androids, he always tries to lead his opponents away from any cities or other settlements to keep damage and casultties to a minimum before they start their fight.
In that aspect, Superman is way more wreckless in his fights then even Goku is.
People in the 40’s were stupidly inconsistent but I mean Superman was essentially a propaganda tool
To be fair, Dragon Ball doesn't take place on a normal version of earth. It's still called earth but it quite literally an earth where the vast majority of the earth is filled with unpopulated areas with very little if any cities. Meanwhile, the DC universe is based a lot more like the real world in America that has a lot more cities in it so it's a lot harder to lure bad guys away from it. In short, comparing the DC universe to the Dragon Ball universe is like comparing apples to oranges.
@@tahafawad426It really wasn't.
To be honest, I think you kinda misunderstood some of the moment you mentioned about Goku. Like how he starts fights, and the two moments you mention being Frieza and Beerus. Sure Goku did want to fight Frieza because he was strong but something else to note about Goku wanting to fight him, is that Goku knew it would be impossible to avoid Frieza because their end goals we're the Dragon Balls meaning that Frieza was going to go after Goku anyway (like he did with Krillen and Gohan). Plus, Frieza was killing everyone on Namk and to an extent threatening Goku's friends and family safety. And the thing about Beerus, Goku asked politely to spar with him, and Beerus accepted so I don't think Goku really had a reason to be as scared as he really should've due to the fact it was a fairly normal and chill encounter they had.
Yeah better example is not nipping the android problem when heard about instead deciding train to fight them
You dont know much about either character. Grandpa gohan didnt impart that lesson but roshi did. Superman isnt a judgemental character. Goku recklessness isnt the case. Especially since goku does something that superman doesnt. He moves the battles out of cities. Infact goku would question supermans reasoning for not doing that. Batman cant reasonably do it but superman can. Plus hed respect his sense of self improvement. He has martial artist friends that arent in the batfamily. In the 30th century part of the legion of superheroes is a hero named karate kid. Hed understands that thirst for improvement.
5:20 what happened to goku training to get stronger whenever a new enemy appears to cause trouble, he genuinely does want to protect the earth
Oh Superman has his fair share of bad decisions too my friend
I agree
@@ComicCasualVideos can never like Superman he stopped Batman from killing the joker
@ComicCasualVideos Superman is not a good father either.He allows his 10-year-old kid to go into war with people who is fully willing to kill him superpowers or not
@@davidspearim5552naw bruh its not the same as goku and gohan
@@davidspearim5552 Goku having no moral standing basically is wrong if you watch dragon Ball till super you see his morals like Goku killed an entire army because he feels like there being nothing but bad guys and krillin tells him to stop killing and goku does his best to keep his promise. Or how many towns and cities he saved in just dragon Ball even if there wasn't no reason to help them he just saw it as the right thing to do. Goku wanting to fight strong people in the universes and basically made top but it's not his fault Zeno was going to destroy the universes it's beerus fault for taking a nap all Goku did was give them a chance to live Goku mistakenly helped saved every universe with the invention of the tournament
Goku and Superman fusing would break the internet.
That and destroy the universe
Clarkarot, clarku
@@planetbirthday6859 imagine a fusion between Batman and vagtea vs goku and Superman I would pay to see that fight
Super Saiyaman
I wonder witch fusion would win the fight
I once read this awesome fan manga where darkesid took control of goku and sent him after Superman. They fought, batman freed him, and they teamed up to fight Darkseid. It was pretty awesome.
I read that to. Good times. Did you know, there was a sequel where Superman got stuck in the Dragon Ball world. Met the Great Saiyaman, got into a fight with Beerus. Vegeta scoffing in his direction.
Ooh, sounds awesome. Can you send me a link or tell the name of the Fan manga?
@@JakeSmith-mq5dc yes I've read that too.
been 11 days since this guy asked but I'd like to know too what the name of this fan manga is
@iryn-e1953 youtube won't allow me to send a link so on TH-cam just search unrealentgaming goku vs superman manga. He's made videos on it and he might have a link to it in his description.
Pretty much the big difference between Goku and Superman is what they’re primarily fighting for. Superman fights entirely to protect and save people he’s a defender, while Goku, while he does fight to protect people, primarily fights just to fight and get stronger he’s a warrior
Pretty Superman couldn’t get over Goku’s selfishness in being willing to put others lives in danger just to have a better fight
Goku has a pretty average morality. He isn't out to help people, but seeing mistreatment upsets him, and if it goes far enough, he will intervene.
If goku met superman, goku would ask him to spar.. would even mention a spot he could fight superman without others in the way. Superman might not want to fight pointlessly... but... He would likely be interested in someone who can actually handle him not having to hold back everything he had
Everyone would like Goku outside of having to fight a villain. Goku, beyond his selfishness, is a genuinely good guy and by the metrics of morality in his own series he is supremely pure of heart. I can unironically see him hanging out with and sparring Wonder Woman from time to time, actually, maybe deciding to train the batkids because he sees a bit of Gohan in some of them. Hell, even though Goku would probably pester him for a fight, I can totally see Superman and Goku hanging out. But when a big bad comes along, the Justice League are all fighting and giving their all against a big bad…then Goku shows up all giddy and everyone just groans because they just KNOW if the bad guy is strong enough Goku will just let him go.
Dude, Goku is not the "Hope of the Universe". That was the english DBZ dub only.
And that just adds to why they might get along, but will never agree on the basic philosophy of life.
Ironically, the senzu bean thing is one of the times goku is thinking more heroically. He's trying to see if gohan is going to be that next protector of earth.
And what would goku have learned if gohan beat a cell that was already tired out?
goku: you look very strong. superman: oh thank you. goku: now lets fight. superman: what?
Be honest, Superman has had much weirder first encounters with people he now calls alies than a cheap shot to the face.
Alright, no, Goku in the Thumbnail? No, that's not how mouths WORK.😭
Sorry, but you're wrong. Superman holds back, for a different reason, but he still holds back. They both allow their opponents to get second, third, forth chances. And while you might say its selfish, because he wants for others to get better so he has a better challenge, but Superman's philosophy of giving his opponents chances is also so that they can do better, because he believes "it's the right thing for someone in his position to do." Superman's reasoning is actually more selfish and vapid than Goku's.
Goku didn’t know Zen-oh was going to destroy the universes till the rules were established. Prior to this he believed it was just going to be a fun tournament.
He asked Zen-oh for this tournament during the U6 vs U7 arc no rules or penalties were set just get the other universes involved.
Post Goku Black arc he goes to remind zen-oh of that deal and Zen-oh remembers and decides to do it. The agreement of universes being erased was still unknown. By the time it was known it was too late. Goku could not back out not without risk not that he would back out.
Sources: Dragon Ball Super Episodes 41, 77 and 78.
Imagine Goku wanting to fight Darkseid or Doomsday.
You've been commenting a lot not going to lie you talk a lot and that's fascinating
Darkseid would not waist his time with Goku but Doomsday sure would.
@@windandcloudshadow158quick question do you think you would try to mind control him to make him a weapon considering if he learned about his abilities
@@Randomguyusee Who's abilities Gokus? They are not impressive by DC standards but Darkseid would mind control everyone regardless of who they are.
@@windandcloudshadow158ki manipulation existence erasure to some degree because he survived the ball of energy superhuman reflexes and all the stuff that involve ki that includes every down to physical level and mental level cuz it's a small chance Goku will get mind control honestly cuz I can see it happen or getting manipulated it's a fighting somebody
8:21 he was giving cell a senzu beans to test gohan, he needed to awaken gohan potential that he knew wouldn’t be awoken in any other way, SO that when him and vegeta are gone, the east will still have someone who can protect it
The only way Superman is beating Goku is if Goku is staying in base form
I feel like even if he wouldn't see eye to eye with Goku, he would most definetly see eye to eye with his son and probably invite him to join the justice league after enough time has passed
Oh yeah, Gohan is who I really would love to see with Superman.
I would kill for Silver Age Batman, Superman? And Gohan to team up. The campiness... lol
Would Superman invite someone that cares more about living the normal life than being a superhero, Superman is too selfless to force a philosophy on to gohan
@@anime_world6684 I Don’t think he’d force him, I said it more as in he’d extend an invitation to him, something like “I understand the appeal of living the life of a family man Gohan, trust me, I wish every day I could do what you do, so I won’t try to take that away from you, just know, that if you ever need our help, the league will be there to help you and your loved ones, and that if something bad ever happens, and we need all the help we can get, we hope we can count on your help”
Gohan and Superman would get along well, when it comes to fighting Gohan doesn’t fight like Goku, he doesn’t really even like to fight, instead Gohan only fights when he has to in order to protect his family and everyone else from harm similar to Superman
"Goku literally put all universes in danger...even though he didn't know that the universes were already at risk of being erased."
You literally contradicted yourself dude, but that's not surprising since there seems to be some heavy handed bias here from the get go with the mentioning about all of the (usually extremely biased and inaccurate) superman fan made videos pitting the two against each other in a head to head even though the video isn't supposed to be about that by your own admission.
The universes were already at risk of being erased because Zeno was bored, then Goku showed up to remind Zeno about the tournament that Zeno had previously stated as having a desire to put together because he found it entertaining.
You fell for Bergamo's gaslighting of events harder than anyone in the show did because it was literally because of Goku wanting to fight in the tournament that Zeno himself wanted to do that the universes as a whole weren't erased and you even stated that too, but then you backtracked and did a whole 360 just to make it seem like Goku is a selfish reckless idiot compared to Superman, you know, the same guy who doesn't hesitate to destroy buildings or government property and has multiple versions of himself where even just a butterfly farting in the wind is enough to make him turn into a full blown supervillain.
The truth is that Goku wouldn't like Superman because Superman thinks he's above everyone else and lacks any sense of control which is regularly shown in his countless instances of reckless disregard for the safety of others, meanwhile Goku literally fought the god of destruction himself and kept damage to a minimum, even figuring out how to cancel out the shockwaves of their punches colliding purely because he didn't want to cause unnecessary destruction, a thing that his opponent only found to be amusing.
Even when fighting against Vegeta, Buu, and pretty much every other opponent, his first thought and concern is about protecting others, meanwhile Superman's first thought is always "time to punch this guy through ten sky scrapers in an overcrowded city, I'm sure everyone will be just fine."
Goku may not be a hero, but he is a better man than Superman.
I wouldn’t go so far to say he’s a better man. I’d say they’re about equal.
That's a massive cover up because Goku got a lot of backlash for his decision so they decided to paint Zeno as a villain like with Jiren. It doesn't change the fact Goku was still willing to jeopardize the multiverse for his own selfish desires despite Beerus warning him. Goku from Super isn't a better person than Superman.
@@Knowledge00856 like Superman is any better, following Batman’s ideologies and letting supervillains like Darkseid live. Goku actually knows when someone needs to be put down. Yes, he gives them chances to walk away but even he will say enough is enough at one point. And again, why would Goku have known that Zeno would erase the universes that lose? Do you honestly think that Goku would have advocated for that? It’s not Goku’s fault that the ruler of the multiverse is even more immature than he is.
Darkseid has to exist in the verse or the universe will be destroyed because he is the embodiment of evil he's a multiversal concept so just killing him wouldn't work the only time to kill him they have to kill him before he became that as a new born and superman wouldn't do that no matter how evil he would become
Zeno was gonna erase the universes anyways💀
Goku would replace Vegeta with Superman as his rival. 😅
@@SpammytheHedgehog vegeta: KAKAKOT, What are You Doing
Goku: what do you mean Vegeta?!
Vegeta: I’m NOT Stupid KAKAROT, You Clearly Found yourself A New Sparring Partner with this Kryptonian
Goku: 😅✋this is Kal
Superman: Hello 👋
Vegeta: *Scoff* 😒
Goku: Don’t worry Vegeta, all 3 of us could spar if u want.
Superman: yeah 👍
Vegeta: 🙄 Fine.
@Peakplatypus Honestly, I feel like Superman's curiosity would have him pester them about it, his staring making it even more embarrassing for Vegeta causing him to be even more self-conscious and failing. Superman meets Veku rather than Gogeta, then tries to interview him on the spot for a story.
If Goku put the safety of Earth over a challenging fight he would be completely out of character.
Theres another reason why goku is so lax about villians compared to superman. He has a magical undo button in the form of the dragonballs which makes it so he can afford the collateral most of the time. Consequences arent as dire as result because anyone who dies can just come back. If he didnt have them he might be a bit less reckless.
Goku and the Z-Fighter do use them for that, but they do try to avoid using it and stop the big bad from destroying their chance to use it. Plus they can't revive infinitely.
He isn't lax cause of that reason. He never really lax cause he on guard or think the enemy is weaker then what everyone assume at first.
No, the dragon balls are not a undo button. Sure the can undo things but only ONCE, one of the dragon ball's prime rules is that once a wish is done, that wish can't be done again. Goku literally says after krillin dies to frieza "we can't wish him back using earth's dragon cause we already wished him back before".
@@roseoliveira6709 tell that to namek
I think that goku is a better hero overall even though he may not seem like it. There has been many moments where he convinced villans and also force them in areas where there is no innocent life that can be taken in collateral.
do note: that whole hero speech is dub only, in original version he never claimed to be a hero
For most of the runtime that Goku has been in dragon ball - I would agree
However anything after the Moro arc I would say his entire motive changed, and I would see superman be more accepting of goku
He became a protector, all to fulfill merus' wishes and the next arc he doesn't even fight on earth, far away from it and not able to harm it
He tried to help Moro, let him change and make sure he goes into galactic prison by choice to give himself in
He tried to reason with granolah, didn't want to fight to begin with and try tell him the truth about the current Saiyan's
Another thing to mention, every time goku has given someone a second chance such as Frieza he specifically told him to never meet him ever again, he didn't want to fight him, unlike Vegeta, which was a mistake on his part which he acknowledged was selfish, just kill him
And after Frieza he learned his mistake; Goku tried to kill cell by himself and simply just couldn't. Him giving a bean to cell is telling cell "hey, I might not be able to beat you but trust me my son is going to beat the shit out of you, you're gonna need this" and even at the end of the day he decided to die just to save them all after realizing that he shouldn't have gave him that bean since he misunderstood Gohan. However, Goku DOES pay attention to his wife and children
He spent 4 years with Gohan after he was born and was only separated by him because he DIED and then after he came back there was no time for reunions, he went straight to fighting the Saiyan's and then was almost beat to DEATH and unable to move, I don't know how you can have quality time with your son and wife when you can barely even speak let alone move - furthermore, you could say after namek saga he could've went to earth instead of spending a year on yardrat
If you just fought a guy who's max could literally go over 40x your normal state and you were only able to win through a literal miracle happening I'd be pretty paranoid about my strength - and if it even is enough to protect those I care about. And even then, Goku once he returned to earth and was prepping for the cell games spent years in the time chamber pushing his son, decided to cut training short literally just because he wanted to spend quality time with him and his wife because he knew he hasn't been with them in a while. Lastly, you could see in the Buu saga that Goku left his son for 7 years, but I'd say for good reason. Demon king piccolo - due to Goku interfering with the pilaf gang, Raditz - literally Goku's brother, wouldn't know earth was a thing without his existence. Vegeta and nappa - notified by raditz which then led to then NEEDING to go to namek because their dragon balls were gone, hence Frieza too. Cell - his raid on the red ribbon army causes both the future timeline to be in shambles and risked the earth In danger - Goku had all reason to believe, he's the problem. His one issue in that arc is not finishing off fat Buu when he could've EASILY done it, same with the fight with Majin Vegeta - but again, this is Goku BEFORE his promise to merus and not fully matured, hell, even in gt after the Buu saga Goku tries to kill the villains instantly - he doesn't give them any chances (no, I don't care that gt is not canon stop mentioning it every time it's brought up 😑 it's official material and therefore should be judged as such) meanwhile in super Goku is the way he is because of the wonky regression of his character, which then gets fixed in the Moro arc and so on
Sure, the Goku you're talking about, 100% agree
But current manga Goku? Wayyy different story
(Sorry for the yap sesh 😅😅 read the whole thing if you want, tldr; anime Goku yes, current manga Goku no)
both DC and Marvel do insane cameos to anime, but i think Marvel would accept a crossover more
I beg to differ; did you hear DC is doing a crossover with Sonic?
I would like to Point out that Goku cares more about his friends and family than you realize. The whole reason Goku turned super Saiyan in the namek ark was because freiza game ended krillen (his childhood best friend) right in front of him. For the first time Goku wanted to kill his opponent and excepted his Saiyan biology. He also represents something that Superman would admire talent versus hard work. Goku had to earn his strength. Also it's not like Superman to just flat out judge someone to be a villain because their viewpoints don't align with each other. I'd say he would be more judgemental of Batman then Goku because Goku's not a vigilante who seeks out justice. That was a dubing error that American television got totally wrong.
yeah, really showed he cared about gohan by forcing him to fight cell and letting cell beat the hell out of him
Just a nitpicky argument here he made gohan fight cell because he knew that
1. Gohan was way stronger than hin and he wasn't holding back and
2. From fighting cell that Gohan was Far stronger than cell he just had to stop holding back goku literally admitted if he had continued fighting cell he'd have lost and he only gave cell the senzu bean because he knew gohan would win
The whole goku only wants to get stronger and fight thing isn't really a part of his character until super which (even though it's never stated if you look at dragon ball and Dragon ball Z it's obvious) takes the fan version like team four stars abridged serious and makes that how goku is characterized when goku was more of a hero in Z
And you mentioned that goku allows powerful enemies to survive when superman does the exact same thing the only difference is he sends them to the phantom zone for 1-5 buisness days
fundamental misunderstanding of gokus entire character and inherently the entire anime of dragon ball
I know right
You are coping, Toriyama himself has said he doesn't see goku as a savior like paragon character, he is just someone who likes t fight.
@@darkalicornkingdoom3572 so how does that equate to not doing whatever it takes to save the planet when someone wants to blow it up
He is still a pure good person who likes to do good things (in original manga), like when he had no perceived reason as to why he would help Turtle get back to the ocean, he did it because he wanted to help, Goku is not a savior, but he is a good person through and through
@@darkalicornkingdoom3572 Just because he isn't a paragon, doesn't mean he isn't a good person and the saviour of the earth. He does mistakes thinking they were the correct choices: sparing frieza thinking he could reform like a lot of other people he meet, giving a senzu bean to cell to give gohan a fight to see if he can take his place as the guardian of earth, but not knowing that gohan is a pacifist. These mistakes as well as selfish goals like wanting villains to be spared so that he can fight the later aren't very paragon like of him, but he is a good person. He saves people because he can: he takes Turtle back to the sea with nothing to gain. When fighting general blue, he saves the rat that saved him out of a collapsing cave, he goes out of his way to save Upas father, even though it would make him lose the 4* ball which was the only thing he wanted, he trained with kami to fight piccolo, but also went out of his way to prepare further so that piccolo would be alive and allowing kami to also live. All of this is just DB, and the most disregarded aspect of goku's character is that he doesn't train just for himself: he trains so that when much stronger enemies come, he can fight. This is both a selfish and selfless reason: so that he can fight someone, but also that when nobody else can save the earth, he can do his part. He isn't a paragon because he is selfish in a lot of his decisions, but he wants to save the earth. What motivates him to better himself is a selfish reason, but that doesn't mean he isn't a good person or a "hero" per say(don't know if I said that last thing correctly).
I feel like this discussion really depends on the Goku.
Because Z mindset Goku is DRASTICALLY different from Super mindset, so much that they retcon him not knowing what a kiss was 💀
that is a dub/translation error, Goku knows what a kiss is
8:26 simple answer : cos he knew Gohan needed to prove to himself that he will be enough to protect the earth without goku around, who realized he was a large reason for earth's trouble . Might not make sense in short term, but he meant well for earth. It's a shame Gohan had to bare the responsibility of protecting earth. But he was the strongest, what are ya gonna do ya know🤷♂️
Superman: yo Goku go save those civilians while I deal with Darkseid
Goku:Nah I want to fight him
Goku suggesting rock paper scissors while superman looks at him dumbfounded.
hes stupid.....scenario wise this dumb monkey would let doomsday murk a city and save it after hes done killing people
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12:01 Dub error😅
A good example of Goku letting his opponents live to come back stronger recently bit him in the ass with FREIZA. He let Frieza live after the fight with Broly, only for Frieze to come back in his Black Frieza form and Goku and Vegeta were already weakened and at his mercy, and Frieza may now be stronger then even them in their Ultra Forms, Ultra Instinct and Ego. So it's only a matter of time till he comes back, they were lucky he let them live. Superman does kill, but ONLY if he deems he needs to.
Superman and Gohan would be best friends. Both have the highest potential of their universes. Both super geniuses. Both dislike fighting. Both have a Super hero moniker. Both cherish life. Superman didn't want to kill Doomsday and Gohan didn't want to kill Cell, even though both were artificial lifeforms.
Goku a Martial artist fighter Superman More a hero somebody to protect people but the one thing that brings them together is that they both fight for different things they often fight for good they most definitely would
Goku straight up did not want to fight Gas nor Granolah if they weren't interested/mislead into fighting. And this is the same Goku that gets excited at the ideal of sparring with Beerus & Vegeta.
It really is a case of his saiyan genetics going crazy for the plot but not always.
@@MegaMachiOnline gas n granola wanted to fight Goku and kill him and Vegeta there was no reasoning with them at that point in time when the arc was starting
@@Randomguyusee perhaps, but the instant goku thought he won, he tried to reason with granolah hence his "overconfidence" causing him to get heavily punished
which is to say, goku's a bit too laid back/trusting sometimes
@@MegaMachiOnline the dragon Ball villains I'm not going to lie are very sneaky when it comes down to pretending to act like they're weak but the thing is even Vegeta himself tried reasoning with granola say what Frieza did to the saiyans mostly granola was stuck on his revenge the hetters if I spelled their name right gaslight in manipulated Goku and Vegeta telling lies about granola Vegeta was the only one doing some form of detective work I doubt at that time granola was so hell-bent on killing Goku and Vegeta it would most likely have to take reasoning from Goku Vegeta and oatmeal to try reason with him play Minato the green Old namekian also if I'm correct Goku got speed blitz when he was an ultra instinct somehow but that kind of indicated that he was stronger than Goku I don't know if it's correct though that was a thing that shocked people
@@Randomguyusee ui's automated reflexes eats away at his stamina and left an opening for granolah to strike vitals that were functionally nonexistent before
but goku on defense in blue ui was able to fluster gas for a bit, so the power gaps weren't too insane despite how many power increases there were
I think Superman while not entirely approving of Goku's ways would 1. understand goku's mind set if he knew how Saiyan's are Naturally. 2. Respect that Goku tries to keeps innocents from being hurt in the crossfire of his fights 3. willingness to protect the earth. Goku is no hero but the Superhero but he is also no inherent danger to the planet anymore then any other superhuman is if Superman can look past Batman's methods of half crippling every henchman he sees and Batman's necrotic need to have a way to take everyone he knows down, he would not have any issues with Goku's "I want him to get stronger so I can fight him again."
I don’t know. Saying Goku seeks out unnecessary conflict is a bit of a stretch to me. I feel like while yes he is so heavily focused on fighting to test his limits and grow, he also numerous times acknowledges himself as a protector and actively takes steps to ensure Earth is and will be safe well after he’s gone. Now yes quite a few of his actions have put others in harms way, however to that I ask you, what superhero’s actions haven’t put someone in a danger before. And alot of these times, Goku does have a better reason that just the thrill of the the fight. Frieza, to test his power and also try to take down Frieza, the tyrant of the universe. Cell, he gave him a senze bean so that his strength could draw out Gohan’s full potential. That way when Goku’s gone, he knew the Earth would be safe with his son. Tournament of Power, he gave his Universe a chance to fight for their survival rather than just being erased. Etc. Overall, while they would have disagreements over Goku’s saiyan nature, I still believe they would more than likely be great together.
And Goku’s a great father. Especially compared to a lot of fathers in fiction. When Gohan was losing against Cell, he realized that his son isn’t like him, he isn’t a fighter like he is. He’s a scholar. Then in super, Goku is constantly thinking about Gohan’s studies. Rarely wanting to interrupt them and apologizing anytime he does. And to say he doesn’t care about his family and rarely their safety is absurd. The beginning of super literally shows him doing some work for his family and training at the same time. Even when Mr. Satan offered him money, he tried declining even though it would have allowed him to get back to training faster. He’s very forgetful and absent minded but his heart is always in the right place. Hell, just go back and rewatch him first meeting Goten and then him saying goodbye.
I think I'm gonna have to disagree with some portions of the Goku section. You're focusing way too much on goku's nature that you ignore the context of why he does things. Yes Goku wanted to fight frieza at first, but he faced the ginyu force first before that, and his fight with ginyu puts him out of commission for a while. After that, he NEEDED to fight frieza to save his friends and son, the goal also changes when he attained ssj for the very first time. The goal was not the thrill of the fight anymore but to put frieza down both physically and mentally, goku NEEDS to put this tyrant down for the betterment of the universe. You know, like superman does with his alien opps? In the senzu bean section, he gave cell senzu because he believes in his son way too much that he thought cell would need to be at full power to even hurt him, goku realized this mistake later on and tries to get into the fight himself so gohan can retreat, which backfired by cell intercepting. I dont see it as goku wanting to see his son fight a hopeless battle like throwing your own pet cat against dogs, but he genuinely believes on his son that he can do this. In fact, he's literally the only one who believed on gohan. The only times where goku really actively seeks a fight was in super, honestly, and its only in a few circumstances. Hit, Zamasu, and the start of ToP are basically the only ones. He didnt seek to fight beerus, beerus searched for SSG specifically, he didnt seek a fight with Goku black and he has no idea about the consequences of his spar with zamasu, he didnt seek to fight broly, he didnt seek to fight moro, same for granolah and Gas.
This section of goku was put out of context that I have to pause the video for a while cos it pisses me off.
You love goku and I understand that, but ngl man you're really putting him in a bad spotlight here as a character no matter how much you tell us that its not your intention, by putting what he did out of context (except for ToP, I agree that goku actually endangered the multiverse with that one), what will the casual audience (that didnt watch or read dragon ball content) think of him now after this video? See what I mean?
Meanwhile you glaze superman a lot when in actuality, he's the one endangering the people here instead of Goku. In all the clips you showed us with supes, npc's are always present in his fights, he doesnt take the fight outside where no people is present. He actively throws his opps on buildings (which who knows if there are still people in it), and he's supposed to be the heroic one here. And I watched most of the og clips you've shown here so I know the context of his fights, but he still chooses to throw his opps on buildings. Superman is really only heroic when it doesnt involve fights
Superman depends on the Yellow Sun, and if Goku just teleports them away like he did to Cell, its over
Theory: I think Goku gave Cell the Senzu Bean to plant a seed of overconfidence in Cell specifically for Gohan to take advantage of. His youth and size were contributing factors, Cell not knowing just how much power Gohan had. Then, when Gohan told Cell about his anger, it sparked the Vegeta in him.
9:06 here is the thing, goku first has to deal with the ginyu force as his son and friend nearly died to them and he didn't take that lightly, he got heavily wounded so he had to do nothing but heal for quite a while, then he has to fight frieza ask otherwise his friends would have died as he then has to make a grave, almost die fighting frieza, watch his best friend die, then get his son away before he lost control of himself. Then Comes the only option where he gets a choice of letting frieza power up which this one isn't even to enjoy the fight but as insurance that if he were to beat frieza, frieza would give up on being evil. He then was forced into a time limit, and after sparing frieza's life after enough convincing, he gets instantly stabbed in the back before destroying the immediate threat and then just barely escaping the planet blowing up due to luck and then nearly dies anyway. There was not much of a choice in fighting frieza anyway and jeez goku did not have a good time on namek.
If u put Goku in a world/ universe like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, King Of Fighters, Dead Or Alive, or Killer Instinct he’d b right at home since these worlds function around the concept of tournaments which heavily revolves around fighting which Goku is primarily about u don’t really c him going around stop bank robberies, armed muggings jewelry heists, acts of terrorism or saving people from falling off a building, pulling a cat out of a tree 4 a little girl no he prefers to have long dragged out fights (that take 5 episodes to conclude) whereas Superman would try to finish the fight as quickly as possible to prevent innocent lives from getting hurt it’s just that simple
While I agree with a lot said here, you also need to consider that most of Goku's enemies end up allies later. He gives Piccolo, Vegeta, Yamcha, and Tien even. People that fought him with malicious intent, and then they became friends. Goku loves to fight; he does, and he makes many ridiculous choices like the Cell Senzu one. He also, is willing to give anyone a second chance, with selfish and selfless reasons. Goku also does the full power-up thing because he both wants to get stronger, yes; he also wants to show that as the enemy is, they are no longer a threat. Goku's mantra is exceeding your limits. Something Superman CANNOT relate too. Superman is factually incapable of understanding this subject, because he has never experienced it. It is the personal reason I think Superman is a terrible character and a hypocrite, but I digress. I also personally think even if Clark never liked Goku, Goku would still like Superman. As Goku is willing to show respect and reverence where it is due. Oh ALSO BIIIIG NOTE. EVERY TIME SUPERMAN LETS BRAINIAC, LEX, OR ZOD GO, HE IS LITERALLY DOING THE EXACT THING YOU ARE TELLING US GOKU DOES. Which is mostly a comic issue rather than inherently Superman's fault. Batman gets more flack than anyone for this, smh, like he is the only non-fatal hero in comics or something. But my point is every time Joker breaks out and kills more (insert any villain you like, really), people and the hero does not permanently remove the means to do so; they are letting innocent people die under the falsehood of doing the right thing. If the "Right" thing gets a hundred people killed every time you do it, it is not "right" or moral.
The main issue I see is that Goku doesn’t worry too much about the safety of others because he has the dragon balls. Whenever a fight is done he can always just go pop around for a half hour gathering the balls and wish everyone back to life. Having that dramatically reduces the need to be proactive about saving lives.
Superman may be stronger than goku but goku is a better character w vid ❤❤❤
DBZA Goku: "I'm gonna go now. You're boring me."
Personally I think they would in some cases , but go off
Ok, I got to heavily disagree.
Boiling down Goku to just "I like to fight strong people", is a complete misunderstanding of the character. Yes, Goku loves a good fight but, at the end of day Goku is a hero who will take someone down if need be. Not to mention, Goku knows he wouldn't always be there to protect the earth and those he cares about so, he tries to train the next generation. Goku never intentionally puts Earth in danger. He even leaves to keep it safe.
Goku giving mercy isn't because Goku wants another chance to fight them, it's because Goku doesn't like killing people. Goku is a good guy and wants people to be better. Goku also only does this for foes he knows he can defeat. Not to mention, there are no consequences in Dragonball. Goku knows he can bring people back to life with the Dragonballs.
Goku giving Cell the senzu bean was more nessisary then people realize. Gohan going SSJ2 was the only way the Z fighters could beat Cell and Cell at full power is what caused Gohan to eventually go SSJ2.
Goku IS NOT A BAD FATHER! Goku died for his kids, multiple times. Goku acknowledges Gohan wants to be a scholar and doesn't want to be a fighter if he doesn't have to be. One of the first thing Goku does when he is brought back is hug Goten. Goku watched over his kids from Otherworld. He is even supported of Gohan being a Superhero.
Goku loves ChiChi. Goku does what she asks despite not liking. Not to mention, Goku will even change his moral compass if he finds out she is in danger or killed.
As for Superman. Batman is one of Superman's best friends. Sure, sometimes they disagree but most of the time they do agree.
Also, the idea that Superman never puts anyone in danger isn't nessisary accurate. Superman's very existence brings challenges and threats. Superman even caused multiple natural disasters because he wanted to bang Wonder Woman. He also spares his enemies just like Goku.
There are also multiple instances of Superman being intrigued about a fight or training. Sure he doesn't want to fight if he doesn't have too but that doesn't mean he is against it. He has a training room in the Fortress of Solitude, enjoyed training others like his kids or family. And is friends with a race of battle harden warriors.
I definitely feel like Superman and Goku would get along fine. And they would spar if they knew they could fix the result of there fight.
That's all Goku really is in Super but not in Z or GT
@@Knowledge00856 I disagree. Even Super Goku isn't just I like to fight. He didn't spare Zamasu or Moro because they were strong. He knew he had to defeat them because they couldn't change. Goku, or Gogeta rather, is happy he didn't kill Broly because he knew they're was good in him. He got serious with Jiren after he tried to kill his friends and only after Jiren was forgiven did he thank him and ask to battle again. Goku acknowledges that if he fights Frieza after the T.O.P, that he will put him down.
In my opinion, the day both will see eye to eye is the day that their passions compliment and help each other. Goku's self improvement goals always stem to combat and that has actually been a given passion thanks to Roshi and his natural Saiyan behavior. While Superman who not only does not put himself on a pedestal, he also has a sense of good that has him look at his power and think 'I should fight for Truth, Justice, and the American Way' because that's who he is. I think when it comes to saving people, for Superman it's a passion and not just a sacrifice, which even Goku's passion also is. One focuses on the self and the other focuses on others, should a crossover happen then maybe Goku will teach Superman to become stronger for the sake of his home and then some, while Superman could implement a sense of responsibility for Goku since he can possibly help him find joy in other things outside of combat, something worth fighting for and interrupting a villain's transformation for. Though if there'd be a way for them to be closer, it'd be their similar approach to life that is carefree. Superman is not as carefree as Goku but he does know when to hang the cape because it's not just the citizens of Metropolis he loves, it's his family, his friends, his team. Goku on the other hand has nothing to prove other than he just loves to fight and get better at it so he has no envy, no sense of intense ego, and no sense of true bloodlust like his people were usually born with. Plus as seen when it comes to Batman and Vegeta, that carefree attitude of theirs is rather infectious and can teach other hardasses to be more joyful and find peace in their life outside of their obligations and possible obsessions. Goku and Superman would be friends, but definitely not off the bat, imo anyway.
To be fair the frieza fight was completely unavoidable, and while ill agree he is not a hero in the same vein as superman, he can definitely be heroic
I'm curious if Goku would be more heroic and responsible in his fights if the Dragon Balls didn't exist. Like, he'd have that tragic backstory of losing someone close, so I wonder if that'd be enough motivation.
You for sure skipped all of drgaon ball. 💀💀
That's a fun discussion! I know the "hope of the universe" speech was actually a mistranslation. As for giving Cell a Senzu, I think that was more of the Saiyan pride thing. He had the confidence in his son that Cell wouldn't stand a chance if at full health when Gohan was fully revved up. At least, that's how I saw it. As for Freeza, I think he let him fully power up to put him in his place.
The biggest pet peeve I think Superman would have would be the decision to give PICCOLO a Senzu at the end of the 23rd Budokai. At the time, Piccolo was VERY dangerous. He was hellbent on world domination and saw Goku as an obstacle to that goal. Letting him live just because Goku needs someone to match him and push his limits is beyond selfish. How many people do you think Piccolo killed in that 5 year hiatus between Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z? How many people were used as target practice for his new tricks? I think if Superman called the shots, he'd have Piccolo sealed with the Mafu Ba. Kami had already shown he can use it without dying, after all.
That being said, if all Goku wants is to improve, Superman would be sparring partner of his dreams.
Nah they totally be friends they might not agree on how they use their power but I can see they get along once they know each other better.
Are you sure The GOAT and Goku wouldn’t just be buddies 😅
Same stuff im saying this MF gonna stir up some conflict with this video I think he expects Goku to be like and this character like Superman when he is a martial artist a person who wants to fight I feel like he been nitpicking Goku is a fighter of course he's going to want to fight you his heritage is fighting people this dude is honestly pissing me off for this he a good content creator tho
Never said they wouldn't be buddies but one is more hero and other is more fighter/thrill seeker
@@Randomguyusee yeah, obviously Goku wants to make sure his family and earth are safe but if it means having a good fight then well T.O.P
@@ComicCasualVideos yeah I get what you’re saying and I do agree
@@TheSsjJoker the funniest thing about the tournament of power is that Zeno was about to erase the entire universes that was on low level on mortals determine was the best option for that current situation I'm not going to lie cuz Goku did not know about it nobody knew I doubt even the grand priest knew about it ngl
You also forget the friendly aspect of superman, he isnt just a moral compass. Hes also very much like spiderman in terms of being friendly with people, hence his friendship with Batman and his parenting role of Billy Batson.
I can imagine that Goku would see Superman as a bit of a stick in the mud while Superman would see Goku as someone whose heart is in the right place but easily manipulated and a loose cannon.
Counter argument against the point about Frieza:
He was like that at first, but by the time he actually fought frieza he was enraged and didn’t just want to fight frieza, but also very much wanted to beat him because of everything frieza did to namek.
Goku in super is different, he really just wants a fight and the only times he was focused on saving the earth is battle of gods and Goku black arc (even then he wanted to fight)
Come on, you know that speech with Freeza was a dub thing. Funimation really wanted to push the parallels with Superman, even having Vegeta say Goku’s parents were scientists. In Japanese he just tells Freeza that he’s from Earth, came to beat his ass, and was awakened by a violent rage to become a Super Saiyan.
Imagine Superman dealing against Dragon Ball villains like Frieza, Cell, Buu and Zamasu/Goku Black while Goku deals against Darkseid, Doomsday, General Zodand Brainiac (This would be interesting to see a Dragon Ball and Superman crossover)
i actually dissagree most instances you notice that goku dosent seek out fights thats proven by gt which isin't necessarily cannon but goku ends up living a long life without conflict until most problems arise the reason he recommended a tournament to the zeno's was because they were bored and thought they would find what he enjoys fun, also sparing villains isn't also a bad thing in vegeta's case he ended up turning good and frieza he literally said"never hurt anyone ever again" he thought he would after being defeated that he would try to turn a leaf but was immediately proven wrong and blasted him and at that time he thought he killed him inf fact goku spares less people than super man in most cases and since when does goku not care about saving the innocents when majin vegeta shot the crowd of innocents goku not only tried to stop the blast but also got really angry at vegeta and also hiring hit to kill him didn't endanger the life's of anyone that was his own decision it was smart for his safety but worst case scenario they use the dragon balls
The thing is the "hope of the Universe" speach is only in the dub, in the original Japanese and the manga Goku just says that he is a pure hearted Saiyan from Earth, who awakend Super Saiyan via anger. The dub made Goku more heroic than he actually is the the original story.
I do think Supes and Goku would become friends, because they become friends with everyone eventually (except for their most evil and unrepentant villains like Freeza, Darkseid, Zamasu, Lex, etc) but I agree they would often not see eye to eye and they're personalities would clash as lot.
I brought up this exact topic with a friend a few months ago along with the exact same points as I think despite Superman would get annoyed with Goku he would likely leave him alone unless the situation called for it seeing as Goku doesn't harass innocent people and tries to have fights where no one else would get hurt
For once I like to see characters discuss their values and their perspectives on life. And see their point of view on what is moral and what isn't moral.
Goku and Superman wouldn't be best of friends but they would at least understand each other
Superman would definitely just be like a babysitter to Goku, Goku is not only a Fighter but his kind of childish too so I can see Superman being the more mature and responsible one in a possible relationship between them. It’s like he doesn’t hate Goku but he has to admit he can be sort of a nuisance sometime while Goku just thinks his cool and wants to fight him a lot.
superman is more like gohan tbh
Yeah Gohan is more like a mix of Superman and Spiderman if you ask me.
I see what you mean by them not getting along. But, If superman is supposed to be the hero of hope, inspiration and good, then he'd most likely learn to getting used to Goku's ways. You know, because he isn't the superhero hatred.
I can agree with that title was a little bit of clickbait lol
Goku: So burgers after we finish saving the world?
Superman: I can eat
Goku is not a hero. He's a warrior that cares most about challenging himself in his never ending quest to improve his martial abilities. His speech about being the hope of the universe was a deliberate change to his character in the early dub. In the manga, and by extension Kai, he said, "I'm the Saiyan who came all the way from Earth for the sole purpose of beating you. I'm the warrior you've heard of in legends. Pure of heart and awakened by fury. That's what I am. I am the Super Saiyan! Son Goku!"
Yeah goku and Superman would get on each others nerves too
Yeah, I can see that to a degree. Depends on the mood or the day. Some days, they'd get along great, but others. They would just keep any business with each other as limited as possible.
Goku's personality changes each saga and each show. In DragonBall, it was all about the challenge. But in Z and GT, he certainly was more heroic than just a fighter. In Super, he was back to just being in it for the fight.
Goku always cared about people. Goku only gets angry when someone is killed and fighting unfairly. Goku always wants a fair fight from people.
bro i feel that you like misunderstand Goku's character.
Nah I think I understand him pretty well
@@jamesbu9082 thank you my friend for me it feels like he was using specific moments and wasn't really looking at some of the contexts of the situations light show up to the events ngl
@@ComicCasualVideos this video feels like a goku slander. you focusing more on the bad then good. like the hope of the universe line is not canon, he never said that in the Japanese version. it was changed was changed in the American dub of it. Honestly, I feel like Goku is one of the most misunderstood anime protagonist.
@@jamesbu9082thank you 🤝
There are good videos out there that delve deep into Goku's character. my favourite being totally not Mark's one on it, but at the end of the day, it's an opinion. still enjoyed the video
No, you have a point Superman with knock it along with goku.It's like a soldier trying.Interact with a vigilante so I get your point.And yeah , I agree with you that that they would not get along , but superman would try to be his friend
one thing that I would like to correct is "The hope of the universe" Speech is only canon to english dub. Original Japanese and DBZ kai(which is aiming on cutting filler scene that's not canon) is him declaring that he is the super saiyan that come from earth to defeat Frieza.
So no Goku was never acting like superman, That dub just try to make Goku as "Another super hero" that's the protector when he's not one in 99% of situation. Like bro never fight like small crime or anything like small thing for small people, most of the time he just let em die if it mean they can survive and win later unless there was opportunity to save them that he sure they won't die saving people or it's worldwide crisis.
People who think Goku isn't a hero is actually nuts
If Goku and Superman met, Goku would obsess over getting stronger than Superman, and probably would push him to become stronger than ever. I think after some struggle they would agree to stay out of each others way when it comes to fights unless the threat requires they work together.
I disagree with this interpretation of Gokus morality I think its more based on memes than the manga.
The version of goku people talk about like this is totally devoided of context for those specific moments they mention and closer to the purposely clown like version of DBZ abridged than the dragon ball manga
This is why Allmight is my favorite anime superhero ever!
Goku certainly does like to fight, but more than seeking out fights, in Dragon Ball through Z, he more often than not encountered fights in response to the search for the dragon balls, and got pulled into the fight. The whole 'seek out fights' mentality is an invention of Super. With the fight with Frieza, Goku arrived, and this kid, friend, and Vegeta were already fighting the Ginyu force, and after he was injured, when he recovered, they were already fighting Frieza. There wasn't really a "I don't care" option by that time. He only chose to continue fighting because Frieza clearly would have followed him home, which he did.
goku is quite literally pure of heart and im 99.999% sure superman could see that pretty easily