@@Zuko79328 Sonic Defeated Solaris, Who is a Multiversal being that can erase Universes with a thought. And the end, The final boss in frontiers, Says that Solaris is Barely as strong as Him. Ans Sonic defeated him. Sonic solos Frieza in Base.
bruh i was playing some dragon ball fighting game (forgot what console it was on but i was using an emulator) and the game was french and friezas name was FUCKING FREEZER
@@BWHEREeven the the Saiyan Saga or even the Frieza Saga Sonic is not getting past those type of characters so you might as well get that out your head more importantly get out of your ass
@@BWHEREyou think Sonny will beat Vegeta you obviously a dumbass did you forget that Vegeta was able to defeat Goku and it took Gohan to put down Vegeta while he's in his great ape form Gohan in that form had to smash Vegeta to the ground Sonic stands no chance in hell against Vegeta
@@BWHEREthis is straight up dumb you're pulling everything out of comic books movies Sonic whatever stick to one Sonic he's not Solo in the Dragon Ball verse point blank period No matter what you use he still would make a difference
@@BWHEREhe does not matter they are characters in The Dragon Ball Z Majin Buu saga level characters what actually destroy Sonic no contest so this is literally bulshit
Depending on how literally you wanna interpret it, sonic is essentially a force of nature, not really a person but a physical manifestation of the will and hopes and dreams of the people of earth. He IS the miracle that people in need, pray for.
@@YuriPeres-hw8nn i know right, but it's still just guesswork doesn't matter if you interpret it differently, it's a headcanon. In the official canon, we have 0 evidence for that
2:27 keep in mind the only reason the “Surprise punch” could knock Sonic back into base from Super was because Knuckles grew up around the Master Emerald. His knowledge in Chaos Energy would be far superior when compared to Sonic at the time.
It’s apart of his power. He has the ability to restore a broken master emerald because of his connection to chaos energy which also means he can do the reverse and knock anyone out of it because of his connection to it and not because of his strength.
Remember that (before Sonic Origins) Knuckles is the only person who isn't a male hedgehog or female cat to exhibit a Super form with the power of the Chaos Emeralds alone.
There's a line of dialogue from Rush between Cream and Blaze where Blaze tries to get a better understanding of who Sonic is. Cream's response was just "He's like the wind."
@@WhiteTeeDrinkerIf they can’t use that much Chaos power, then they wouldn’t be able to go super or use any abilities like Chaos Control. But they can, which shows that they can handle infinite Chaos power. And also, that are always utilizing them to their fullest because any percent on infinity, is infinity
@@Alpacapack1 Chaos abilities and forms aint related what are you yapping? Everyone can use chaos abilities with emeralds. Super Forms is different. Super Sonic 2 being stronger than Super Sonic is a basic example of how much you can tap into. With the cyber corruption sonic managed to tap into the chaos emeralds even more than before.
Here are some things that I would like to point out about Sonic lore and gameplay since I've been a long time fan: 1.Super Sonic is said to be completely invulnerable to any and all attacks, with large scale final boss attacks only slowing him down. However Super Sonic has a health bar during the Perfect Dark Gaia fight, with Sonic commenting that he can actually FEEL the attacks (meaning either Dark Gaia's Atk power is higher than invulnerability or it negates Super Sonic's defense. 2. During the flash back cutscene on Chaos Island (Sonic Frontiers), Sonic and Tails witnesses the fight between the Ancients and THE END. Tails points out that the heavy artillery that the Ancients are using are equivalent to the Eclipse Cannon, while the beams being fired back by THE END are similar in strength to Perfect Dark Gaia. Tails won’t says these things lightly, he has an extremely high IQ (comparable to Eggman) and has witnessed the power of BOTH first hand (The moon was blown up only using a small portion of its potential power) (Super Sonic fight and Light Gaia vs Perfect Dark Gaia was shaking the planet) 3. As for the Titans, it’s clear that with the power of ONE emerald, they had the potential to battle THE END to a standstill, but lacked the strength to destroy it. Unlike Sonic who couldn’t use his normal Super form to its true potential to properly fight THE END in the original ending of Frontiers, he COULD end it after it had been weakened by Sage using the Supreme. 4. Since both Ian Flynn and Sonic Team/Sega have confirmed that Sonic's history is both consistent and canon across the games (remember point 2?) the only beings that could have built the World temples across Mobius/Earth would have been the Ancients (with help from CHIP/Light Gaia) and since Light Gaia states that he had been fighting Dark Gaia every few million years since the creation of the world, that would mean he had to either use his own power or use it in combination with the Master Emerald to forge his own Gaia colossus every time since the Chaos Emeralds didn’t exist until the Ancients brought them. My point? If the act of AWAKENING an emerald from its drained state can shift the planet back together, then it’s highly likely that it is on the very lowball of what a Chaos Emerald can truely do.
yeah go on dig into your game lore. according to your autistic ah minds sonic is the strongest being in all fiction. so im assuming sonic is just casually walking around multiversal level in base right?
The reason why I think Sonic is so strong is because according his creators, he is considered to be fairy, he shows up to help those in need and leave, he doesn't have a home, he doesn't have a back story, he is a static character, and most of motivations are either to just help his friends or those in need or to defend life and freedom. Sonic is the embodiment of chaos which is essentially life since The End is the embodiment of order which seems to be death. If Sonic is a God then I think it'd be more accurate to consider him the God of life and freedom over the God of the wind but he could also be both since the wind can also represent freedom, I feel like this could be the case with Super Sonic and his other transformations, but for base I'd say he's an avatar of chaos. Sonic is like a universal constant because as long as the chaos of life exists Sonic be there to save it and preserve it's freedom to choose how to how live from anyone be they a mortal or a God above other Gods.
this is my headcannon, also that the chaos emeralds (and master emerald(s?)) where once a part of him and that he is the end's counterpart in the same way that chip/light gaia is dark gaia's counterpart
Sonic is only so powerful because he is the embodiment of good within people, so he is basically a walking Genkidama. If good exists, then Sonic is up and running.
My headcanon is Sonic being nothing special, he's just a guy who showed up and ruined Eggman's day, and every subsequent day. He's no deity or cosmic force, he's just Sonic, Sonic The Garden Variety Blue Mach Speed Talking Hedgehog!
@@pastyIe I wholeheartedly blame Takashi Iizuka for not bringing him back into the series when he was pitched by Ian Flynn Hes scared of "Too many forms" but (frontiers spoilers) adds corrupted cyber sonic at the end??? not to mention super sonic 2
The Other Z Villains: **lying on the ground** Vegeta: **(Bloody & Bruised)** *He's a f--king hedgehog, WHAT THE F--K IS HAPPENING?!?!* Sonic: **(Running in place while smirking)** *You're too slow!*
There's also some feats you forgot to mention: >Sonic has access to the Light Speed Attack that also doubles his speed and attack potency too >Sonic being fast enough to time travel in Sonic CD (the signs were confirmed to be game mechanics) >Sonic being able to travel to the Special Stages in Sonic Advance 2 and Sonic Rush (The Special Stages are stated to be another dimension) >Sonic being able to create a tornado in SPACE from SA2 and Sonic Rush >Sonic being able to keep his universe from imploding on itself in Sonic Rush >Sonic defeating the Egg Salamander in Sonic Rush >Sonic ran so much in Secret Rings that he was able to find his way back home (Stated by Shahra) >Sonic defeating the Egg Wizard in Sonic Rush Adventure who was powered by the Jewel Scepter that stored in the "Power of the Stars" (said power is the reason why "parallel universes" can exist like Sonic and Blaze's universes)
the fact that BASE GAME SONIC can literally wipe out most of these guys if not all of them is crazy, wait until the next mainline release where he will probably destroy a machine that threatens the entirety of space oh also I think the speed he goes at in the game isn't even his max speed... I think he just dials it back
Even if Not,He Already has "Surpassing his Super form in Base" as a consistent Powercliffing,hell look at Sonic x Shadow Generations ,where Shadow is Fighting Metal Overlord,Somebody that needed Super Sonic,Super Tails and Super Knuckles to beat before hand And if the Shadow we Fight in Sonic Generations IS THAT Same Shadow,then Goddamn
@@gabrielmachado1247 yeah and we already know that sonic beats shadow in generations, so if he can beat shadow then surely he can beat metal overlord in base
@@Popcornisyums I think there's also going to be a bit where Shadow can fight Sonic and win so the two are arguably equally matched, assuming they didn't face chronological clones or whatever.
@@LordTyph Also remember that Shadow was the one to win the equivalent fight in SA2, because otherwise Tails' fake emerald would have prevented the Last Story.
@@gabrielmachado1247Actually it was S. Tails and S. Knuckles... which granted, you could assume means "super", but from the lack of physical changes, it could also mean "special" or even "shield" as that's how the Chaos Energy manifests. We also got to see how Super Tails and Super Knuckles would look like in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and they don't look this way in the Metal Overlord fight.
DB villains when sonic _-sez-_ says racism is not good and reminds kids to first say NO to planet conquerors, then get out of there and most importantly report it to the nearest Team Dragon member: 😢
Frontiers base Sonic is 16d hyperversal immeasurable speed via string theory, beating Infinite who is thousand times stronger than Solaris(Solaris is 13d via string theory), restored time with his speed, gets stronger every second, escaped cyberspace which isn't even The End can't escape who is inevitable, infinite and etc, Super Sonic is 25d (26d mental attack) high hyperversal, Starfall Super Sonic is low outerversal, Cyber Super Sonic high outerversal bc he one shot not only vessel of The End but The End himself
@@Roto3 boom universe is alternative timeline to game main timeline and Solaris was destroing all timelines and it has string theory (so Solaris is 13d)
0:09 One of my favorite ones is how in Sonic 4 ep Metal, we see a damaged metal Sonic fly from little planet to earth in only a few seconds, so the fact that Sonic can keep up with and even outpace Metal Sonic when he isn’t already damaged is pretty cool.
I was going to include this feat but I ran into the issue that we don’t know the approximate size of little planet, which is necessary for calcing it correctly
It's nice to see Sonic getting the respect he deserves. I remember that in the past, many people was saying Super Sonic couldn't even beat Super Saiyan Goku. The idea of Sonic vs DBZ was looked at as a joke that no one took seriously but now people are starting the realize how powerful Sonic is.
Archie Super Sonic might give Mr Satan a challenge in his base. But the moment he turns into Super Satan, the hero that defeated Beebus. Not even the 4th Dimension is safe from his strength. (I do not know what the 4th Dimension is.)
I’m not gonna pretend to understand how on earth power scaling works but the fact that you referenced *Sonic CHRONICLES* is worthy of a sub alone. The dedication to such in depth research for a silly fun idea is incredible. 11/10 keep up the good work man
@@garciarodrigueznicolas7295Hyper Sonic and Super Sonic 2 (AKA Cyber Sonic) share the same the end feat. Cyber Sonic was originally intended to be Hyper Sonic in frontiers, but it was rejected by sega.
@@Nick_T_90 He technically is canon, he was never decanonized per se, those who say he is not canon anymore take a line said in an interview out of context, they were saying that when the time for Sonic Adventure came around they had all those sets of artifacts with the Chaos Emeralds, the Time Stones, the Chaos Rings and of course the Super Emeralds, so they decided to clean things up a little and focused on only using the Chaos Emerald to not have to worry about saying where each artifact is. And then when Sonic Mania came around we see that the Emerald Shrine has stone in the places of the Super Emeralds and it's confirmed that after Sonic 3 & Knuckles the Chaos Emeralds lost the transformation and left those stone reliques in the place they were. If Sega wanted to the Super Emeralds could appear again along with the Master Emerald, maybe they will in Frontier 2, who knows.
@@starslight-x3o yes I know he's very strong what I meant in raw power he isn't as strong as Daishinkan for example just because he has guards to protect him Also, Zeno would wipe sonic verse simple Because he would just erase it
But instead of being a bunch of stars and a muscular physique, he's a 3'3" lightbulb using mystical energy to fight gods, genies, giant robots, and genetically modified lifeforms. That's Super Sonic for yall
I can't believe you didn't mention how in Sonic CD Sonic is fast enough to time travel which means he is fast as or faster than light in that game . And Sonic CD in the timeline takes place before Sonic 2 .
@@TrayTray07 That's a goddamn obvious gameplay mechanic you stupid fuck . Can't belive I still have to educate people on this topic . That comment of yours almost made me break a wall in my house because of how stupid it was .
I'm so glad to finally see someone do Sonic Powerscaling justice. Super Sonic truly is fit for the name "Golden God" I can imagine Goku trying the Chaos Emeralds after Sonic lets Goku a try with them, and going Super Goku, but not the usual Super Goku he's used to, and being utterly starstruck, and possibly even overwhelmed by the Emeralds limitless power.
He downplaying Sonic bc Frontiers base Sonic is 16d hyperversal immeasurable speed via string theory, beating Infinite who is thousand times stronger than Solaris(Solaris is 13d via string theory), restored time with his speed, gets stronger every second, escaped cyberspace which isn't even The End can't escape who is inevitable, infinite and etc, Super Sonic is 25d (26d mental attack) high hyperversal, Starfall Super Sonic is low outerversal, Cyber Super Sonic high outerversal bc he one shot not only vessel of The End but The End himself
Didn't the wisp help him to survive that? Either way I think being able to run away from a black hole in the first place especially with how close it gets to him still has to be some kind of feat right?
@@MCJoaoAlmeidahe wasnt escaping the black hole thou, he was escaping the weird gravitational pulse that was expanding and the black hole all in all is pretty small
@@johnathannelson6102they just moved him from there. Wouldn't change him getting damage from it. Yeah given its from void/violet that Can bend time and space to pull thing is enough proof. (You could Also use colours DS where nega Wisp armour use Void Wisp power and sonic use boost to escape it
@@carso1500he tried to escape from it just like nega Wisp armour (colours DS version), what makes the difference?. It doesn't matter if it's big or small if it Can bend time and space to support its gravitational pull then it's still a "kind" of black hole (it's from void description which is black hole)
I thought you were gonna bring up at the end about when Sonic was killed by Mephiles and Elise mentioned that she could sense Sonic's presence "in the wind." Sonic might actually be the God of Wind lol
Just to be clear, this is a bit of fun edgy power scaling for people who like that sort of thing, and want to know if Sonic could theoretically fight Naruto or Green Lantern or whatever. I don't think Sonic is actually meant to be this powerful in the canon of the games. If I had to place him in-canon, how strong the writers probably intend him to be, I think he started out in Sonic 1 around Mach 1 and small building level, and is currently somewhere around mach 10 and city block level when he goes all-out. I stand by all the Super Sonic scaling though.
Ok here's a thing namek frieza is not planet buster he is at bare minimum is a galaxy to low universal lvl. For galaxy lvl feat when namek was getting destroyed frieza added a per cent of his power to boost the destruction of planet and we can see when Goku was explaining his escape from Namek the aftermath of planet namek explosion covered entire galaxy . And in guidebook it's stated a single galaxy is a collection of innumerable amount of nebulae and a nebulae in context have innumerable amount of star's. As for universal statement king Kai stated frieza holds the power Destroy entire universe at this point. And even cell's previous form has statement of Cell's ki reaching entire universe . So yeah kindly research a bit more before making the videos ☺️ plzz. And I can point out still more for db if I includes their guidebook but nah let's leave it. 😅
Ok just finished your video and no sonic is not clearing DBS in slightest. Cause at current Goku alone falls into hyperversal category. Just try Atari Goku scalling the new one. If you're using andgoing through guidebooks for one side atleast put half of that effort for other party .
So basically depending on how you interpret certain dialogue, Sonic could wipe out DBS or he loses to Kid Buu. I do like the idea that sonic is the God of wind, sounds cool.
@@lynxzanimated it's not infinity bc demon realm was stated to be the smallest realm and i'm gonna destroy your ass, Frontiers base Sonic is 16d hyperversal immeasurable speed via string theory from Sonic boom timeline, beating Infinite who is thousand times stronger than Solaris(Solaris is 13d via string theory), restored time with his speed, gets stronger every second, escaped cyberspace which isn't even The End can't escape who is inevitable, infinite and etc, Super Sonic is 25d (26d mental attack) high hyperversal, Starfall Super Sonic is low outerversal, Cyber Super Sonic high outerversal bc he one shot not only vessel of The End but The End himself
you actually managed to send a shiver down my spine with that God of Wind theory and I LOVE IT! This is officially my favorite Sonic theory in the history of forever
your theory at the end is actually remarkably similar to one I've been workshopping for years now. glad I'm not the only one who noticed these things :3
0:18 I mean yeah, he's been implied to be the reincarnation of a literal god since at the LATEST Sonic 3, possibly as early as pre-release material for Sonic 1
@@muigogitoultrasonic3947i think the only forms in the series that are actually above Super Sonic is.....Super Sonic 2,yeah It took until Frontiers for us to get something else that's above Súper Sonic,and its Super Sonic Powered up by Cyber Energy Lmao
Bro people always gave sonic respect wdym 😭😭😭😭bros literally one of the Big 3 of Videogames People should give more respect to Yamcha cause bro was always clowned even though Vegeta has more Ls and flaws than him 😭😭😭😭😭😭 ngl people are so unfair
"He only ran through a PORTION of this infinite dimention" Erm,my man,I am sorry to notify you - but your math teacher called.She is enraged. You can not divide infinity into parts.Every part of infinity is infinite.Even thou there is a bigger and a smaller infinity,proven by the mathematicians,even the smallest infinity - would still be Infinite,because this this what infinity means.Not having an end.
There is an infinitely long highway in front of you. You take one step onto it. Did you just move infinite distance? Or did you move a finite amount inside an infinite space?
@@BWHERE true,but it is an unfair comparison,because as YOU say - it is stated that he ran into another dimention FROM an infinite dimention. It is not like stepping on an infinite highway. It is like being dropped in the middle of the infinite highway and running until you go from that infinite highway to a house on the end of this infinite highway.Or something like that,I hate explaining scientific stuff with comparison's)
I never even thought of the doomsday creatures being actual elemental gods, that's some really cool lore that i am sure.... sega will never see/use sadly...
Well Chaos and Solaris were both called gods and by extension that would make Iblis and Mephiles gods as well (due to being two halves of a whole), the Gaia twins are self explanatory and the elements just make sense (Chaos=Water, Solaris=Light, Iblis=Fire, Mephiles=Shadow (HA!), Light Gaia=Earth, Dark Gaia=Darkness and The End=Death)
@@Baobao66 Sonic would punch Buu in the face, Buu’s head would fly several miles away, his neck continuously stretching, after which his head would spring back with a cartoonish ‘boi-yoi-yoing!’ sound
I agree all the way up to The End's scaling Iirc Ian Flynn said The End was hyping itself up and that Solaris is still #1 Which makes sense, it might've not even seen Solaris
Take Ian's power scaling statements with massive grains of salt as hes been known to downplay the Sonic casts observable feats partially because he hates power scaling and is trolling, and partially because as a writer keeping things like this in mind makes writing conflicts a nightmare. As an example he once tried to write Sonic caps at the speed of sound to which Sega's responses was essentially "lol, lamo". Morio Kishimoto the game's director stated The End is the very concept of Death itself, and the statements made my Sega management take precedent over Ian's own statements.
24:46 In Sonic CD, it's stated in the manual that Sonic is moving so fast that he's traveling through time, just that the sign posts are a game mechanic.
I can prove Base Sonic is faster than what you calculated. You just said Sonic gets stronger and faster in every game, right? Advance 3 Super Sonic is slower than Base Frontiers Sonic.
23:38 What are you talking about? Sonic has been faster than time since Sonic CD, he literally traveled back in time and forwards in time with his own speed. The signs you run past in the game are just game mechanics to show what's happening on screen.
Love the video, one small thing about The End in frontiers however is that it was stated by the games director on his twitter to "be the very concept of death" and is thus perceived differently for everyone, for example, eggman would see something totally different than sonic who would also see something totally different than us, the reason we see the moon is because in a lot of media the moon is highly representative of the thought of death.. I dunno if that changes the scaling or not but I figured it was something important to note
2:00 theres actually some evidence to support what sonic said is true and this is in the sonic movie When eggman scans sonics quill it said it was unlimited and we also saw the line on the graph constantly go up every second and we see in sonic frontiers that game sonics quills work similarly to movie sonics quills both having an electrically charged form and if you put the cutscene when sonic gets charged in the game next to when he gets charged in the movie they're almost identical.
@@fangzgaming5510What do mean he can no longer access hyper? I think you mean SS2 because Master King basically stated that if he went all out, the power would leave Sonic entirely and what did Sonic do? He went all out.
@@Stevenkadap98 fun fact... Is stated that if sonic want to get his hyper form back... All he need to do is just travel to different dimensions and obtain those big emerald
Omg. I played Sonic as a kid and watched DBZ as teenager and adult. Never thought of the supersonic super Saiyan thing until u said form and supersonic early in the video. Lol thanks
Love the video. The little tidbit about Super Sonic getting knocked out by knuckles is a bit off though. It wasn't that Knuckles overpowered Super Sonic, it's that Knuckles has the ability to knock the emeralds out of people. They actually referenced that ability in the movie, Sonic 2, when he punched the master emerald out of Dr Eggman. No other character has been seen doing that before.
the god of wind theory isn't half bad at all. I don't think sonic is meant to be a 'god' exactly but I think with the hidden palace mural and the feats he's accomplished I think its safe to say there's a reason for sonic to be so abnormal. he's like goku and vegeta in the sense that his boundaries are limitless exceeding godhood and laws of the universe but yet being a mere mortal
Seeing someone who actually knows how to scale sonic characters post a video is so refreshing. Also for the black hole feat in sonic colors: Hyper Go-on energy is stated to be the most efficient energy source in the series I’m pretty sure. Greater than the chaos emeralds, I’m not sure but it’s interesting to look into. Sonic being able to harness this energy and fighting another wisp who scales above every wisp - that stopped the black hole.
Knuckles has some sort of special connection to chaos energy which allows him to restore or destroy anything with chaos energy. You can see in the sonic movie how he restored the broken master emerald to its original state. Knuckles can do the inverse as well and simply break anyone out of the chaos energy. So someone like solaris who has the power to destroy the universe wouldn’t be able to knock sonic out but knuckles could who is weaker.
Well I gotta say I approve of your edgy Sonic scaling and am excited to see what 10/10 video is next ❤. That said I really like that you went over almost every avenue for Sonic's scaling since most power scalers just pick one and run with it. And while that's not necessarily a bad thing I think it's a breath of fresh air to see someone present more than one interpretation of a characters strength.
Here’s 3 reasons why Sonic is possibly the strongest character in all of fiction - In Sonic Adventure 2, the eclipse cannon is said to be something that can pierce stars. Yet, Sonic goes through it to stop the cannon from destroying earth. - In Sonic Generations, the white space is considered to be a place where time doesn’t exist. In that case, no one could move, which explains the other characters being stuck. Yet, Sonic can move freely at any time. He has a speed that no one can reach. Time isn’t a factor in his speed. - in Sonic (2006), he had defeated the god of all universes, Solaris. You could argue that Silver and Shadow helped him, but then again, he also was granted access into the space that Solaris’ Flame is kept. This flame is what kept the fabric of reality together. No one else but Elise should be able to see it. And yet, Sonic had. And he ended up encouraging Elise to blow it out and reset time. He has the power to go and flick the switch of reality and just reset stuff.
Sonic is far from the “strongest” in fiction. That’s also something impossible to achieve. Also, destroying stars (by dragon ball standards), is pathetic, and moving in places with no time is also nothing new to dragon ball. I won’t talk about that last thing cause I have no clue what it means
Sonic isn't the strongest in fiction but he's one of the few strongest and we can screw scp verse there non canon and are easily to beat by raditz in my opinion
I’m sorry, he’s no where near the strongest in fiction. And I agree with the other guys that it’s impossible since every 9 year old is gonna make their new self-insert OC the new strongest character in fiction
This might be a hot take but I think modern Super Sonic is a lot stronger than classic Hyper Sonic. Classic Super got knocked out by a surprise attack from Knuckles - in the same way that Sonic gets stronger as he ages, I think his ability to use super forms gets better too. But yeah a modern Hyper Sonic would be nutty
@@BWHERE I’ve heard some people say Knuckles’ innate ability to tap into Chaos Emerald energy like Sonic and Shadow was probably the reason he could punch Sonic out of his Super form, either that or through sheer power which is still pretty insane.
Going by this video's scaling of the Chaos Emeralds, and considering how much more powerful the Master Emerald is, and exactly WHAT the Super Emeralds are, Hyper Sonic and Hyper Knuckles clap the entire DB cosmology. Probably Super Tails too, come to think.
Best Sonic speed feat is from generations and he ran through time to fix all the worlds, MEANING he ran in a place that had no time and utilizing the basic speed equation he made a broken speed equation henceforth meaning that his speed is IMMESURABLE
@@radudumitru3306no bro he doesn't have immeasurable speed💀💀y'all taking information from unreliable sources Like if Sonic CD has immeasurable speed then sonic 2's EGGMAN is literally FASTER THAN THAT because he could OUTRUN sonic after he got defeated 💀💀y'all have the worst logic in the world 😭😭😭
Buu (super/buuhan) almost collapsed reality and yelled in a different dimension unintentionally creating a tear back to Earth and the living realm. It is easier to scale Dbz using guides and multiple videos over the years of dragon ball power scaling. I think sonic caps at Buu saga even in super sonic
But then you would have Hiper Sonic, which we know is, atleast, 7 times Super Sonic (cause Super Emeralds are just the Super form if the chaos Emeralds, so if each Emerald has the power of 7 Emeralds, then you would have a 7 times stronger Super Sonic, whose feats would be completely crazy)
@@Karummiii I watched the full video and the guy was extremely biased and ignored many feats from the dbz anime. The filler of dbz is actually canon in its own right and feats from the filler can be used. Like Goku and pikkon traversing hell which is infinite in size and buhhan being able to collapse the universe. Then kid buu being stated and shown to be stronger then buuhan.
Except the fact that the most impressive thing Buu has done has ripped a hole in the dimension to escape the hyperbolic time chamber and one shot planets as shown in his ascension to his original form. Sonic was dealing with threats capable of this back in Unleashed (Dark Gaia) and even Secret Rings (Erazor Djinn). Erazor stated to be universal with the world rings.
It’s funny how he doesn’t even need to bring up Hyper Sonic. It is a canon form of Sonic that is above Super Sonic. It’s just can’t be currently reached since the Mega Emeralds are in a different dimension but with Sonic being 5+ dimensional beings who to say he can’t get the Mega Emeralds now?
@@Baobao66 I know. But it’s still cannon that Hyper Sonic is still a stronger form of Super Sonic. So if Super Sonic is this busted imagine the stuff we would get from Hyper Sonic
Ok I've gotten enough comments about it. I'll do a video on Hyper Sonic soon.
seems like youtube recommended this video to me at just the right time
Bro that God of Wind theory has got to be the hardest Sonic theory I’ve ever heard
It's not new.. He was called Kinght of the wind in Sonic and the black knight, But A GOD?
@@Omega-jg4oqwhat is a god-slaying knight… but a god in mortal flesh?
@@sh4d0wfl4re a Hedgehog animal furry flesh, but Yes lol
Considering Merlina in Black Knight summoned him using a literal demonic chant used to summon another boss in Secret Rings, yeah this seems plausible
(The boss was Ifrit btw I had forgotten its name)
"So Sonic is the god of the wind"
Sonic team: write that down WRITE THAT DOWN
There actually was supposed to be a game with the Greek gods
I mean he is already the knight of the wind so got of wind isn't that far off
Frieza: (Pained) Did... did we kill Sonic?
Cell: That was Tails...
Sonic:xenoverse 2 Goku meme
Then tails casually flies back..
@@xandercreates6766accurate
@@xandercreates6766.**Slight bonk**
Lol they're cooked
Sonic:So if I beat your villains I'll get a tons of chili dogs
Goku:Yep
Sonic: Aight I'll get it done in 5
Bold of you to assume that Goku wouldn't just eat the chili dogs, the moment sonic left.
@@TheTimurdempire he'll just have bulma make some for both of them like I don't know 500 hundred each for the two
Goku: 5 what?
Sonic: 4, 3
Nah, Goku will be: "Fight me and get a chilly dog", Goku wouldnt be able to afford to pass that up.
@@scurreith3667 Goku: oooh I love counting- *gets turned into paste*
Frieza: *Throws Death Ball*
Sonic: *Perfect Parry*
frieza solos
@@Zuko79328 Nah
@@Zuko79328 Sonic Defeated Solaris, Who is a Multiversal being that can erase Universes with a thought. And the end, The final boss in frontiers, Says that Solaris is Barely as strong as Him. Ans Sonic defeated him. Sonic solos Frieza in Base.
@@Xseeus54 With the help of silver and shadow bro while frieza can destroy universes with ease too
@@Zuko79328 But Super Sonic alone can defeat Solaris.
You see Freezer
You're not dealing with the average hedgehog anymore...
That Freezer: .... That's.... that's similar to the ones I've heard but I accept it's a new line.
Sonic about to turn Freezer into a popsicle
Vegeta voice: "noooooo..."
bruh i was playing some dragon ball fighting game (forgot what console it was on but i was using an emulator) and the game was french and friezas name was FUCKING FREEZER
I mean, if you think about it, his brother is Cooler, and his Dad is King Cold?
Frieza when he goes to fight Sonic and Undefeatable starts playing 💀💀💀
Frieza starts talking smack about his transformations but gets cut off when the music changes to Break Through It All>>>>>>>>
"I told you... I'm not a monkey!"
*Angry Spindash*
"I'm a hedgehog."
Freisa: Ah it appears that the rodent has finally reached his limit.
Sonic: LIMIT?! LIMIT?! I GOT YOUR LIMIT RIGHT HERE!!!!!
Frieze start shaking 🫨 😂
Frieze start shaking 🫨 😂
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yes, in base form
MUI Yamcha solos
@danielcraftanimations1239 What about Tien after training in the Time Chamber?
@@ItsChevnotJeff then fiction doesn't stand a chance
@danielcraftanimations1239 fan forms 💀
@@ItsChevnotJeffwhat if tien was betrayed and trapped for 1 quadrillion years
Sonic being the God of the Wind is such a cool concept ive never heard before. Fantastic video
Thanks!
@@BWHEREeven the the Saiyan Saga or even the Frieza Saga Sonic is not getting past those type of characters so you might as well get that out your head more importantly get out of your ass
@@BWHEREyou think Sonny will beat Vegeta you obviously a dumbass did you forget that Vegeta was able to defeat Goku and it took Gohan to put down Vegeta while he's in his great ape form Gohan in that form had to smash Vegeta to the ground Sonic stands no chance in hell against Vegeta
@@BWHEREthis is straight up dumb you're pulling everything out of comic books movies Sonic whatever stick to one Sonic he's not Solo in the Dragon Ball verse point blank period No matter what you use he still would make a difference
@@BWHEREhe does not matter they are characters in The Dragon Ball Z Majin Buu saga level characters what actually destroy Sonic no contest so this is literally bulshit
SONIC BEING THE GOD OF WIND IS RAW AS FUCK NGL
Then you got
Shadow: The God of Chaos
And Silver: The God of Time
@@TronicSSJ07everyone's doing chaos stuff now tho
Making Shadow less cool 😭
@@outoffr4me
There will always be...
Shadow: The Ultimate Life Form
@@outoffr4me Everyone's doing chaos stuff. No one does it like Shadow.
@@outoffr4metrue lol the ultimate life form just sounds better
Sonic: *Beats the End itself and transcends the laws of reality*
Mario fans: yah nah Mario sweeps
Edit: Uhhh I think I started a war
Wtf does Mario even have to match sonic that fatass fans get so mixed up about?
Mario survived getting sucked into a black hole in sUpeR MaRio GAlaxY, but yeah sonic would win
@@Melostone Yeah. Especially when you remember Sonic survived the exact same thing.
Sonic has no answer for dreamy bowser
Well, we'll have to wait for an analysis of Mario, although I don't believe that a plumber and a hedgehog can achieve such feats.
Depending on how literally you wanna interpret it, sonic is essentially a force of nature, not really a person but a physical manifestation of the will and hopes and dreams of the people of earth. He IS the miracle that people in need, pray for.
I think that's Knuckles
Bruh when was this stated? As I remember he was a normal hedgehog and go turned blue and fast
@danielcraftanimations1239 The first thing they said was "depending on how literally you wanna interpret it"
That doesn't mean it is necessarily true
@@YuriPeres-hw8nn i know right, but it's still just guesswork doesn't matter if you interpret it differently, it's a headcanon. In the official canon, we have 0 evidence for that
2:27 keep in mind the only reason the “Surprise punch” could knock Sonic back into base from Super was because Knuckles grew up around the Master Emerald. His knowledge in Chaos Energy would be far superior when compared to Sonic at the time.
Yeah I’m pretty sure he used the master emerald to turn off super sonics invulnerability
It’s apart of his power. He has the ability to restore a broken master emerald because of his connection to chaos energy which also means he can do the reverse and knock anyone out of it because of his connection to it and not because of his strength.
Remember that (before Sonic Origins) Knuckles is the only person who isn't a male hedgehog or female cat to exhibit a Super form with the power of the Chaos Emeralds alone.
@@KopperNeoman Tails exists.
@@jasonbell8515 He could only turn Super with the Super Emeralds.
Frieza when he throws a death ball at sonic and he sees him alive with a ring right next to him
Bro be shitting himself
real
Nah Sonic just Perfect Parries it
"I have a ring, I don't care." -Lythero
frieza when he throws a death ball at sonic and he just parries it
At the end, you forgot that in SA2 literally has him using an attack called "Sonic Wind"
He LITERALLY ATTACKS YOU WITH WIND. RAW WIND.
Throughout all the history, I alone am the God of Wind
Same with Sonic Heros
That's not canon though, especially since he's only used it ONCE.
@@WyvernLPUsing it once does not mean it is not canon. Also in sonic battle he used it too.
@@WyvernLPhe makes a tornado in heros which is cannon
There's a line of dialogue from Rush between Cream and Blaze where Blaze tries to get a better understanding of who Sonic is. Cream's response was just "He's like the wind."
The Chaos Emeralds are ridiculously powerful. The only thing that holds them back is how much of that power the user can tap into.
The Chaos Emeralds have infinite power and 1% of infinity is infinity. There’s no limit to how much power the user can tap into.
@@Alpacapack1yes but almost everyone in sonic's universe can't utilise it to its fullest,because everyone can't fully use that much chaos energy
@@WhiteTeeDrinkerIf they can’t use that much Chaos power, then they wouldn’t be able to go super or use any abilities like Chaos Control. But they can, which shows that they can handle infinite Chaos power. And also, that are always utilizing them to their fullest because any percent on infinity, is infinity
@@Alpacapack1I think he means that maybe mortals can’t use all its power or they only use the positive energy of them
@@Alpacapack1 Chaos abilities and forms aint related what are you yapping?
Everyone can use chaos abilities with emeralds.
Super Forms is different.
Super Sonic 2 being stronger than Super Sonic is a basic example of how much you can tap into. With the cyber corruption sonic managed to tap into the chaos emeralds even more than before.
Any dragon ball villain when crush 40 starts playing:
if crush 40 plays and you’re a hero? start celebrating. if crush 40 plays and you’re a villain? start praying
Frieza tries to destroy the Earth and His World starts playing.
We know that boy Frieza is done lol
Love ur comments about crush 40 ❤️
They might learn, but they're not gonna live after this one
But what will Sonic do when Disturbed starts playing?
Open Your Heart playing loudly in the background
Frieza: you rat!!!
Sonic: I'm not a rat!!
*angry holming attack*
I'm a hedgehog.
Secret Rings Reference?!?
Remember, he’s talking about GAME sonic. Archie Sonic? Absolutely no competition.
Game sonic one shots them all
Archie sonic one shots them all
Game Sonic is stupid OP now lmao
Here are some things that I would like to point out about Sonic lore and gameplay since I've been a long time fan:
1.Super Sonic is said to be completely invulnerable to any and all attacks, with large scale final boss attacks only slowing him down. However Super Sonic has a health bar during the Perfect Dark Gaia fight, with Sonic commenting that he can actually FEEL the attacks (meaning either Dark Gaia's Atk power is higher than invulnerability or it negates Super Sonic's defense.
2. During the flash back cutscene on Chaos Island (Sonic Frontiers), Sonic and Tails witnesses the fight between the Ancients and THE END. Tails points out that the heavy artillery that the Ancients are using are equivalent to the Eclipse Cannon, while the beams being fired back by THE END are similar in strength to Perfect Dark Gaia. Tails won’t says these things lightly, he has an extremely high IQ (comparable to Eggman) and has witnessed the power of BOTH first hand (The moon was blown up only using a small portion of its potential power) (Super Sonic fight and Light Gaia vs Perfect Dark Gaia was shaking the planet)
3. As for the Titans, it’s clear that with the power of ONE emerald, they had the potential to battle THE END to a standstill, but lacked the strength to destroy it. Unlike Sonic who couldn’t use his normal Super form to its true potential to properly fight THE END in the original ending of Frontiers, he COULD end it after it had been weakened by Sage using the Supreme.
4. Since both Ian Flynn and Sonic Team/Sega have confirmed that Sonic's history is both consistent and canon across the games (remember point 2?) the only beings that could have built the World temples across Mobius/Earth would have been the Ancients (with help from CHIP/Light Gaia) and since Light Gaia states that he had been fighting Dark Gaia every few million years since the creation of the world, that would mean he had to either use his own power or use it in combination with the Master Emerald to forge his own Gaia colossus every time since the Chaos Emeralds didn’t exist until the Ancients brought them. My point? If the act of AWAKENING an emerald from its drained state can shift the planet back together, then it’s highly likely that it is on the very lowball of what a Chaos Emerald can truely do.
Huh, you make some very good points
Other bosses have harmed Super Sonic as well, usually by making him drop a portion of his rings.
@@KopperNeoman
That's gameplay only, though. Not neccesarily an actuality in the games lore, you catch me?
where is number 2-
yeah go on dig into your game lore. according to your autistic ah minds sonic is the strongest being in all fiction. so im assuming sonic is just casually walking around multiversal level in base right?
The reason why I think Sonic is so strong is because according his creators, he is considered to be fairy, he shows up to help those in need and leave, he doesn't have a home, he doesn't have a back story, he is a static character, and most of motivations are either to just help his friends or those in need or to defend life and freedom. Sonic is the embodiment of chaos which is essentially life since The End is the embodiment of order which seems to be death. If Sonic is a God then I think it'd be more accurate to consider him the God of life and freedom over the God of the wind but he could also be both since the wind can also represent freedom, I feel like this could be the case with Super Sonic and his other transformations, but for base I'd say he's an avatar of chaos. Sonic is like a universal constant because as long as the chaos of life exists Sonic be there to save it and preserve it's freedom to choose how to how live from anyone be they a mortal or a God above other Gods.
this is my headcannon, also that the chaos emeralds (and master emerald(s?)) where once a part of him and that he is the end's counterpart in the same way that chip/light gaia is dark gaia's counterpart
Sonic is only so powerful because he is the embodiment of good within people, so he is basically a walking Genkidama. If good exists, then Sonic is up and running.
My headcanon is Sonic being nothing special, he's just a guy who showed up and ruined Eggman's day, and every subsequent day.
He's no deity or cosmic force, he's just Sonic, Sonic The Garden Variety Blue Mach Speed Talking Hedgehog!
@@Solesteam He is essentially the ultimate Mary Sue of his universe. He can do anything anywhere anytime.
@@gameingtothemax6266 peak
And bro didnt even TOUCH on hyper sonic
Imagine
FR i hate how much Sega is trying to erase Hyper or step away from it because of “too many forms”
@@pastyIe I wholeheartedly blame Takashi Iizuka for not bringing him back into the series when he was pitched by Ian Flynn
Hes scared of "Too many forms" but (frontiers spoilers) adds corrupted cyber sonic at the end??? not to mention super sonic 2
@@2kSlumPTZ We coulda had Hyper vs The End instead of just Super with Blue Eyes… wish it happened like Ian intended
Hyper Sonic would legit cause DBS to have a stroke.
@@pastyIe yet they come and create super sonic 2
The Other Z Villains: **lying on the ground**
Vegeta: **(Bloody & Bruised)** *He's a f--king hedgehog, WHAT THE F--K IS HAPPENING?!?!*
Sonic: **(Running in place while smirking)** *You're too slow!*
Let’s not forget that Sonic intentionally held back his speed so that he doesn’t accidentally destroy everything he runs through
@@FengTheSlayer that was never stated🤔
Was it in a comic?
@@BrakSplashits either some one off statement or implied since he's stated being a huge environmentalist.
@@brochiing4295 that still doesn't explain if Sonic intentionally holds back his speed.
Seems like a fan head canon 🤔
@@brochiing4295Just because he's a huge environmentalist doesn't mean he's holding his speed back at all lmfao
He's also nerfed in the games.
Frieza when he hears some random repetitive 16 bit jingle version of the title theme starts playing and rapidly getting louder.:
Kid Buu when he thought to have beaten Sonic until he hears “Find your Flame” start playing:
GREAT BWHERE SONIC THE HEDGEHOG VS DRAGON BALL Z
There's also some feats you forgot to mention:
>Sonic has access to the Light Speed Attack that also doubles his speed and attack potency too
>Sonic being fast enough to time travel in Sonic CD (the signs were confirmed to be game mechanics)
>Sonic being able to travel to the Special Stages in Sonic Advance 2 and Sonic Rush (The Special Stages are stated to be another dimension)
>Sonic being able to create a tornado in SPACE from SA2 and Sonic Rush
>Sonic being able to keep his universe from imploding on itself in Sonic Rush
>Sonic defeating the Egg Salamander in Sonic Rush
>Sonic ran so much in Secret Rings that he was able to find his way back home (Stated by Shahra)
>Sonic defeating the Egg Wizard in Sonic Rush Adventure who was powered by the Jewel Scepter that stored in the "Power of the Stars" (said power is the reason why "parallel universes" can exist like Sonic and Blaze's universes)
Cool
I’m ngl I thought faking Buu beating Sonic was lame for like 10 seconds but then his world started playing and I was like nah this kinda hard 😭
the fact that BASE GAME SONIC can literally wipe out most of these guys if not all of them is crazy, wait until the next mainline release where he will probably destroy a machine that threatens the entirety of space
oh also I think the speed he goes at in the game isn't even his max speed... I think he just dials it back
Even if Not,He Already has "Surpassing his Super form in Base" as a consistent Powercliffing,hell look at Sonic x Shadow Generations ,where Shadow is Fighting Metal Overlord,Somebody that needed Super Sonic,Super Tails and Super Knuckles to beat before hand
And if the Shadow we Fight in Sonic Generations IS THAT Same Shadow,then Goddamn
@@gabrielmachado1247 yeah and we already know that sonic beats shadow in generations, so if he can beat shadow then surely he can beat metal overlord in base
@@Popcornisyums I think there's also going to be a bit where Shadow can fight Sonic and win so the two are arguably equally matched, assuming they didn't face chronological clones or whatever.
@@LordTyph Also remember that Shadow was the one to win the equivalent fight in SA2, because otherwise Tails' fake emerald would have prevented the Last Story.
@@gabrielmachado1247Actually it was S. Tails and S. Knuckles... which granted, you could assume means "super", but from the lack of physical changes, it could also mean "special" or even "shield" as that's how the Chaos Energy manifests.
We also got to see how Super Tails and Super Knuckles would look like in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and they don't look this way in the Metal Overlord fight.
DB villains when sonic _-sez-_ says racism is not good and reminds kids to first say NO to planet conquerors, then get out of there and most importantly report it to the nearest Team Dragon member: 😢
Ah, I see what you did there with "sez". You really are a cultured Sonic fan, aren't you?
Frontiers base Sonic is 16d hyperversal immeasurable speed via string theory, beating Infinite who is thousand times stronger than Solaris(Solaris is 13d via string theory), restored time with his speed, gets stronger every second, escaped cyberspace which isn't even The End can't escape who is inevitable, infinite and etc, Super Sonic is 25d (26d mental attack) high hyperversal, Starfall Super Sonic is low outerversal, Cyber Super Sonic high outerversal bc he one shot not only vessel of The End but The End himself
@@GOAT-ganyu *me when I make shit the fuck up:*
@@Roto3it's copy and paste from powerscalers or the might of geburah which do better than what this person did
@@Roto3 boom universe is alternative timeline to game main timeline and Solaris was destroing all timelines and it has string theory (so Solaris is 13d)
0:09 One of my favorite ones is how in Sonic 4 ep Metal, we see a damaged metal Sonic fly from little planet to earth in only a few seconds, so the fact that Sonic can keep up with and even outpace Metal Sonic when he isn’t already damaged is pretty cool.
I was going to include this feat but I ran into the issue that we don’t know the approximate size of little planet, which is necessary for calcing it correctly
@@BWHERE Little planet is small. Smaller than Earth thats for sure. So likely the same size as likely....îd Say Pluto?
It's a lot smaller than that from we can see ik the cutscene. asteroid/meteor size is more accurate @@Anto4writting
@@Justcallmeaqua420still probably big enough to host zones and environments, so probably about a half of earths moon
@@enkayrome sounds about right
30:06 Cocoon of Finality!!!! I was so shocked to see HI3rd in a Sonic video. Also, this video is amazing!!!! Definitely checking out this channel.
Yeah I saw that too
It's nice to see Sonic getting the respect he deserves. I remember that in the past, many people was saying Super Sonic couldn't even beat Super Saiyan Goku. The idea of Sonic vs DBZ was looked at as a joke that no one took seriously but now people are starting the realize how powerful Sonic is.
He doesn't stand a chance against Super Saiyan Goku.
@@Roto3 Not true. Just depends on when
@@Roto3wrong. Current Video Game Sonic > Mastered SSJ Goku
@@Roto3 cope. dont even get me started on Archie Sonic lol
@@Roto3He slams MUI
But how will Sonic fare against Mr Satan?
Would the Chaos Doritos be enough?
The hero who defeated Perfect Cell? The world martial arts champion??? Sonic doesn’t stand a chance
@@BWHEREfr
Archie Super Sonic might give Mr Satan a challenge in his base. But the moment he turns into Super Satan, the hero that defeated Beebus. Not even the 4th Dimension is safe from his strength.
(I do not know what the 4th Dimension is.)
Curious George slams🙏🙏🙏
@@SuperSonic18969 fr
I’m not gonna pretend to understand how on earth power scaling works but the fact that you referenced *Sonic CHRONICLES* is worthy of a sub alone. The dedication to such in depth research for a silly fun idea is incredible. 11/10 keep up the good work man
I'll take it haha thanks
Cell: I beat Sonic
Shadow: That was Classic Sonic!
Modern Sonic: *disintegrates*
25:21 oh wait we are just NOW going super???
Nawwww imagine super sonic 2 or a hypothetical hyper sonic
@@garciarodrigueznicolas7295Hyper Sonic and Super Sonic 2 (AKA Cyber Sonic) share the same the end feat. Cyber Sonic was originally intended to be Hyper Sonic in frontiers, but it was rejected by sega.
And hyper is still on standby
😂
If I had to go for who would win... I'd chose Bugs bunny-
34:47 best sentence I’ve heard ngl
ya'll got hyper sonic standing in the corner watching his strength seemingly go higher and higher.
Wooh! 😉
I’m convinced they made it non canon because hyper sonic is quite literally TOO powerful for the series
@@Nick_T_90 He technically is canon, he was never decanonized per se, those who say he is not canon anymore take a line said in an interview out of context, they were saying that when the time for Sonic Adventure came around they had all those sets of artifacts with the Chaos Emeralds, the Time Stones, the Chaos Rings and of course the Super Emeralds, so they decided to clean things up a little and focused on only using the Chaos Emerald to not have to worry about saying where each artifact is.
And then when Sonic Mania came around we see that the Emerald Shrine has stone in the places of the Super Emeralds and it's confirmed that after Sonic 3 & Knuckles the Chaos Emeralds lost the transformation and left those stone reliques in the place they were.
If Sega wanted to the Super Emeralds could appear again along with the Master Emerald, maybe they will in Frontier 2, who knows.
@@Nick_T_90one of the reasons for not appearing in fronteirs
Hyper Sonic: appears
Beerus:💀
super sonic is enouph to beat zeno. he doesent need hyper for mere beerus.
@@OlhaYolkinabut Zeno literally is not strong lol that's why he has guards
Games sonic ain't beating Daishinkan though lolll
@danielcraftanimations1239 he is and it ain’t close either
@@starslight-x3o yes I know he's very strong what I meant in raw power he isn't as strong as Daishinkan for example just because he has guards to protect him
Also, Zeno would wipe sonic verse simple Because he would just erase it
Super Sonic is basically the Ben 10 Alien X of the Sonic Universe
Fax
Facts
Sonic's more bada** and cooler than I thought 😊👍.
Some a**hole made an animation where alien x wipe out sonic's S. Even in his Super form. And I ngl this was pretty wild.
But instead of being a bunch of stars and a muscular physique, he's a 3'3" lightbulb using mystical energy to fight gods, genies, giant robots, and genetically modified lifeforms. That's Super Sonic for yall
I can't believe you didn't mention how in Sonic CD Sonic is fast enough to time travel which means he is fast as or faster than light in that game .
And Sonic CD in the timeline takes place before Sonic 2 .
That’s if you forget Sonic needed the Past/Future sign post to achieve that
@@TrayTray07I think that Is just a game feature
@@TrayTray07 Just a feature to let you know which direction you're heading.
@@TrayTray07 If I could get a dollar everytime anyone saying this without knowing what they are talking about, I would be a billionaire
@@TrayTray07 That's a goddamn obvious gameplay mechanic you stupid fuck .
Can't belive I still have to educate people on this topic .
That comment of yours almost made me break a wall in my house because of how stupid it was .
I'm so glad to finally see someone do Sonic Powerscaling justice. Super Sonic truly is fit for the name "Golden God"
I can imagine Goku trying the Chaos Emeralds after Sonic lets Goku a try with them, and going Super Goku, but not the usual Super Goku he's used to, and being utterly starstruck, and possibly even overwhelmed by the Emeralds limitless power.
He downplaying Sonic bc Frontiers base Sonic is 16d hyperversal immeasurable speed via string theory, beating Infinite who is thousand times stronger than Solaris(Solaris is 13d via string theory), restored time with his speed, gets stronger every second, escaped cyberspace which isn't even The End can't escape who is inevitable, infinite and etc, Super Sonic is 25d (26d mental attack) high hyperversal, Starfall Super Sonic is low outerversal, Cyber Super Sonic high outerversal bc he one shot not only vessel of The End but The End himself
@@GOAT-ganyu Power scaling brainrot be like
Man, I would LOVE to see Sonic and Goku hanging out
@@brandonholder2483 don't listen to him. He just copy and paste from someone
@@GOAT-ganyufor the record, he got the string theory part from Eggman “proving” it in Boom, which is a branch of the canon
I was just thinking, "Why does Perfect Chaos look familiar?"
He looks like Biollante from Godzilla vs Biollante.
6:34 Nearly escaped, he did survive it though, and probably could have escaped if he was able to boost. He’s only gotten faster since.
Didn't the wisp help him to survive that? Either way I think being able to run away from a black hole in the first place especially with how close it gets to him still has to be some kind of feat right?
He didn't get swallowed by it so we can say he escaped he stayed floating in space then the wisps helped him get to earth
@@MCJoaoAlmeidahe wasnt escaping the black hole thou, he was escaping the weird gravitational pulse that was expanding and the black hole all in all is pretty small
@@johnathannelson6102they just moved him from there. Wouldn't change him getting damage from it. Yeah given its from void/violet that Can bend time and space to pull thing is enough proof. (You could Also use colours DS where nega Wisp armour use Void Wisp power and sonic use boost to escape it
@@carso1500he tried to escape from it just like nega Wisp armour (colours DS version), what makes the difference?. It doesn't matter if it's big or small if it Can bend time and space to support its gravitational pull then it's still a "kind" of black hole (it's from void description which is black hole)
What in God's name did the Z villains do to you to deserve this absolutely one sided ass whooping?
Space racism, some light genocide. Littering.
@@BWHERE yknow what? Fair point. Fuck these guys 😂
@@BWHEREgood point
Cell was the one littering if I remember right🤔
@@BWHEREUGH… littering, the worst crime of all
I thought you were gonna bring up at the end about when Sonic was killed by Mephiles and Elise mentioned that she could sense Sonic's presence "in the wind." Sonic might actually be the God of Wind lol
You, sir, have earned my subscription. That conclusion kind of blew my mind because I’ve never connected those pieces before.
Thank you!
Just to be clear, this is a bit of fun edgy power scaling for people who like that sort of thing, and want to know if Sonic could theoretically fight Naruto or Green Lantern or whatever. I don't think Sonic is actually meant to be this powerful in the canon of the games.
If I had to place him in-canon, how strong the writers probably intend him to be, I think he started out in Sonic 1 around Mach 1 and small building level, and is currently somewhere around mach 10 and city block level when he goes all-out.
I stand by all the Super Sonic scaling though.
Ok here's a thing namek frieza is not planet buster he is at bare minimum is a galaxy to low universal lvl.
For galaxy lvl feat when namek was getting destroyed frieza added a per cent of his power to boost the destruction of planet and we can see when Goku was explaining his escape from Namek the aftermath of planet namek explosion covered entire galaxy .
And in guidebook it's stated a single galaxy is a collection of innumerable amount of nebulae and a nebulae in context have innumerable amount of star's.
As for universal statement king Kai stated frieza holds the power Destroy entire universe at this point.
And even cell's previous form has statement of Cell's ki reaching entire universe .
So yeah kindly research a bit more before making the videos ☺️ plzz.
And I can point out still more for db if I includes their guidebook but nah let's leave it. 😅
Ok just finished your video and no sonic is not clearing DBS in slightest.
Cause at current Goku alone falls into hyperversal category.
Just try Atari Goku scalling the new one.
If you're using andgoing through guidebooks for one side atleast put half of that effort for other party .
Sonic is bare minimum light speed starting in Sonic CD because maintaining light speed is required to use enter a time wrap. Mach 10 is slander.
@@abhijeetgolder7535 Sonic is faster than Goku he outran nullspace a infinite void
@@abhijeetgolder7535sonic is beyond hyperversal if u watched the whole video
So basically depending on how you interpret certain dialogue, Sonic could wipe out DBS or he loses to Kid Buu. I do like the idea that sonic is the God of wind, sounds cool.
Sonic wipes the verse
@@sonicwithglasses131 Yeah chill, I'll debate you that he doesn't.
@@lynxzanimated in game Sonic beat Void who destroed Maginaryworld that contains infinite universes/realities with time-space
@@GOAT-ganyu Goku in Buu Saga traveled through Hell and heaven which are both infinite in size.
@@lynxzanimated it's not infinity bc demon realm was stated to be the smallest realm and i'm gonna destroy your ass, Frontiers base Sonic is 16d hyperversal immeasurable speed via string theory from Sonic boom timeline, beating Infinite who is thousand times stronger than Solaris(Solaris is 13d via string theory), restored time with his speed, gets stronger every second, escaped cyberspace which isn't even The End can't escape who is inevitable, infinite and etc, Super Sonic is 25d (26d mental attack) high hyperversal, Starfall Super Sonic is low outerversal, Cyber Super Sonic high outerversal bc he one shot not only vessel of The End but The End himself
you actually managed to send a shiver down my spine with that God of Wind theory and I LOVE IT! This is officially my favorite Sonic theory in the history of forever
That was the most cinematic and beautiful Sonic theory I’ve ever heard😭
25:10 I swear I heard “Now I’ll show you” right here in my head.
Same
Nah Sonic being the God of Wind is an insane and perfect concept! Honestly man this might as well be considered canon.
Golden Wind Experience ✨️
If the chaos emeralds turn thoughts into power then it would make sense as to how he's so strong in his super form.
your theory at the end is actually remarkably similar to one I've been workshopping for years now. glad I'm not the only one who noticed these things :3
0:18 I mean yeah, he's been implied to be the reincarnation of a literal god since at the LATEST Sonic 3, possibly as early as pre-release material for Sonic 1
Proof?
@@sh21dow I made it up
@Pikminenjoyerbunchofnumbers understandable, have a great day
@@sh21dow The Sonic statues in Hydrocity, and the Mary Garnet Sonic backstory.
dude you turned into a bestselling author at the end there
(istfg if i see one SINGLE comment saying goku solos im flipping my shit)
I'll take it lol
Goku crippled solos with his hair folecule trust me bro
Goku solos, gimme a smooch.
hyper sonic didn't even need to be there 💀
Or any subsequent forms beyond Super XD
@@muigogitoultrasonic3947i think the only forms in the series that are actually above Super Sonic is.....Super Sonic 2,yeah It took until Frontiers for us to get something else that's above Súper Sonic,and its Super Sonic Powered up by Cyber Energy Lmao
Haven't even started the video yet, but I gotta say: love the thumbnail you used for this! Frieza looks more imposing than he's ever been in DBZ!
people finally giving sonic the respect he deserves
Real
Bro people always gave sonic respect wdym 😭😭😭😭bros literally one of the Big 3 of Videogames
People should give more respect to Yamcha cause bro was always clowned even though Vegeta has more Ls and flaws than him 😭😭😭😭😭😭 ngl people are so unfair
"He only ran through a PORTION of this infinite dimention"
Erm,my man,I am sorry to notify you - but your math teacher called.She is enraged.
You can not divide infinity into parts.Every part of infinity is infinite.Even thou there is a bigger and a smaller infinity,proven by the mathematicians,even the smallest infinity - would still be Infinite,because this this what infinity means.Not having an end.
There is an infinitely long highway in front of you. You take one step onto it. Did you just move infinite distance? Or did you move a finite amount inside an infinite space?
@@BWHERE true,but it is an unfair comparison,because as YOU say - it is stated that he ran into another dimention FROM an infinite dimention.
It is not like stepping on an infinite highway.
It is like being dropped in the middle of the infinite highway and running until you go from that infinite highway to a house on the end of this infinite highway.Or something like that,I hate explaining scientific stuff with comparison's)
True though Sonic can outrun a single 4th Dimensional parameter (in his Super forms) which is Immeasurable speed
Math does not apply when you are faster than infinite speed.
True
*Frieza laughing after throwing Sonic into a mountain*
**IM HANGING UP TO THE OTHER SIDE, I WON'T GIVE UP TILL THE END OF ME...-**
"WOAAAHHH WOAAAH"
*_WELCOME TO THE MIND OF A DIFFERENT KIND_*
This went from a cool thought what if scenario to one of the best theories I've heard in a while. Great on you man.
I never even thought of the doomsday creatures being actual elemental gods, that's some really cool lore that i am sure.... sega will never see/use sadly...
Well Chaos and Solaris were both called gods and by extension that would make Iblis and Mephiles gods as well (due to being two halves of a whole), the Gaia twins are self explanatory and the elements just make sense (Chaos=Water, Solaris=Light, Iblis=Fire, Mephiles=Shadow (HA!), Light Gaia=Earth, Dark Gaia=Darkness and The End=Death)
That moment when Buu realizes sonic won't die as long as he has 1 ring
Buu would just eat Sonic’s rings cause he thinks they’re onion rings
@@tylercoon1791sonic will just 1 tap buu
@@Baobao66 Sonic would punch Buu in the face, Buu’s head would fly several miles away, his neck continuously stretching, after which his head would spring back with a cartoonish ‘boi-yoi-yoing!’ sound
@tylercoon1791 ye u do not know the strength of sonic at all
if sonic can atomically decompose of buu what will the regeneration do
@@Baobao66 regenerate
holy cow that ending was incredible
I agree all the way up to The End's scaling
Iirc Ian Flynn said The End was hyping itself up and that Solaris is still #1
Which makes sense, it might've not even seen Solaris
Take Ian's power scaling statements with massive grains of salt as hes been known to downplay the Sonic casts observable feats partially because he hates power scaling and is trolling, and partially because as a writer keeping things like this in mind makes writing conflicts a nightmare. As an example he once tried to write Sonic caps at the speed of sound to which Sega's responses was essentially "lol, lamo". Morio Kishimoto the game's director stated The End is the very concept of Death itself, and the statements made my Sega management take precedent over Ian's own statements.
24:46 In Sonic CD, it's stated in the manual that Sonic is moving so fast that he's traveling through time, just that the sign posts are a game mechanic.
I can prove Base Sonic is faster than what you calculated.
You just said Sonic gets stronger and faster in every game, right?
Advance 3 Super Sonic is slower than Base Frontiers Sonic.
Bro said he wasn’t gonna use spinoff games to scale Sonic but then goes on to list rivals, battle, and free riders 💀💀💀
Once hyper sonic pulls up, you know you’re already dead 18194729482037175057274057184959 times over.
When you realise that silver would do a better job than trunks in the future
He unironically would
That's kinda unfair ngl ur comparing a teenager who lost all the people he loved to a literally humanoid futurist hedgehog with overpowered powers 😭🙏
@danielcraftanimations1239 silver lost his world too
@@Nick_T_90 yes but it's different bro trunks was just a teenager
@ so was silver
23:38
What are you talking about? Sonic has been faster than time since Sonic CD, he literally traveled back in time and forwards in time with his own speed. The signs you run past in the game are just game mechanics to show what's happening on screen.
THATS TRUE!
Yeah, also his explanation for sonic generations "accerating through time" feat didn't make sense
Did you get that from Game Theory
@Someoneandsomething. no I got it from the official sonic CD guidebook
ngl sonic cant travel through time by running
26:24 Eggman what now ?!🤨
I said that exact same thing
Nega… Negative
lol
Eggman nega
Love the video, one small thing about The End in frontiers however is that it was stated by the games director on his twitter to "be the very concept of death" and is thus perceived differently for everyone, for example, eggman would see something totally different than sonic who would also see something totally different than us, the reason we see the moon is because in a lot of media the moon is highly representative of the thought of death.. I dunno if that changes the scaling or not but I figured it was something important to note
2:00 theres actually some evidence to support what sonic said is true and this is in the sonic movie
When eggman scans sonics quill it said it was unlimited and we also saw the line on the graph constantly go up every second and we see in sonic frontiers that game sonics quills work similarly to movie sonics quills both having an electrically charged form and if you put the cutscene when sonic gets charged in the game next to when he gets charged in the movie they're almost identical.
That isn’t even sonics strongest transformation
You're correct, it's what I call the OG Ultra Instinct; Hyper Sonic. But he can no longer access it, so Super Sonic 2 has to do
@@fangzgaming5510What do mean he can no longer access hyper? I think you mean SS2 because Master King basically stated that if he went all out, the power would leave Sonic entirely and what did Sonic do? He went all out.
But sega had to erase hyper sonic cause they feared his power
@@Stevenkadap98 fun fact... Is stated that if sonic want to get his hyper form back... All he need to do is just travel to different dimensions and obtain those big emerald
@@Stevenkadap98 and there is something called super sonic 2
31:03 Bro Not Even Wally West Is touching bro No more 😭😭🙏🙏
I think it depends on the version, he might get stronger though.
Omg. I played Sonic as a kid and watched DBZ as teenager and adult. Never thought of the supersonic super Saiyan thing until u said form and supersonic early in the video. Lol thanks
Love the video. The little tidbit about Super Sonic getting knocked out by knuckles is a bit off though. It wasn't that Knuckles overpowered Super Sonic, it's that Knuckles has the ability to knock the emeralds out of people. They actually referenced that ability in the movie, Sonic 2, when he punched the master emerald out of Dr Eggman. No other character has been seen doing that before.
the god of wind theory isn't half bad at all. I don't think sonic is meant to be a 'god' exactly but I think with the hidden palace mural and the feats he's accomplished I think its safe to say there's a reason for sonic to be so abnormal. he's like goku and vegeta in the sense that his boundaries are limitless exceeding godhood and laws of the universe but yet being a mere mortal
Seeing someone who actually knows how to scale sonic characters post a video is so refreshing. Also for the black hole feat in sonic colors: Hyper Go-on energy is stated to be the most efficient energy source in the series I’m pretty sure. Greater than the chaos emeralds, I’m not sure but it’s interesting to look into. Sonic being able to harness this energy and fighting another wisp who scales above every wisp - that stopped the black hole.
Metal-"stand aside, my loathsome copy"
Metal-*gets owned*
Metal-"...help"
Knuckles has some sort of special connection to chaos energy which allows him to restore or destroy anything with chaos energy. You can see in the sonic movie how he restored the broken master emerald to its original state. Knuckles can do the inverse as well and simply break anyone out of the chaos energy. So someone like solaris who has the power to destroy the universe wouldn’t be able to knock sonic out but knuckles could who is weaker.
Ah finally someone who TRULY understand how Sonic solos DBZ other then me.
Well I gotta say I approve of your edgy Sonic scaling and am excited to see what 10/10 video is next ❤.
That said I really like that you went over almost every avenue for Sonic's scaling since most power scalers just pick one and run with it. And while that's not necessarily a bad thing I think it's a breath of fresh air to see someone present more than one interpretation of a characters strength.
Thank you! I had a ton of fun putting this one together so I’m glad someone enjoyed the finished product!
Sonic being the god of the wind hits hard, like damn, I wasn’t expecting that one
Here’s 3 reasons why Sonic is possibly the strongest character in all of fiction
- In Sonic Adventure 2, the eclipse cannon is said to be something that can pierce stars. Yet, Sonic goes through it to stop the cannon from destroying earth.
- In Sonic Generations, the white space is considered to be a place where time doesn’t exist. In that case, no one could move, which explains the other characters being stuck. Yet, Sonic can move freely at any time. He has a speed that no one can reach. Time isn’t a factor in his speed.
- in Sonic (2006), he had defeated the god of all universes, Solaris. You could argue that Silver and Shadow helped him, but then again, he also was granted access into the space that Solaris’ Flame is kept. This flame is what kept the fabric of reality together. No one else but Elise should be able to see it. And yet, Sonic had. And he ended up encouraging Elise to blow it out and reset time. He has the power to go and flick the switch of reality and just reset stuff.
Sonic is far from the “strongest” in fiction. That’s also something impossible to achieve. Also, destroying stars (by dragon ball standards), is pathetic, and moving in places with no time is also nothing new to dragon ball. I won’t talk about that last thing cause I have no clue what it means
@@daniiii888 Yeah being the strongest in fiction is impossible. You actually have a brain.
Sonic isn't the strongest in fiction but he's one of the few strongest and we can screw scp verse there non canon and are easily to beat by raditz in my opinion
Saying sonic is possibly the strongest character in fiction is a wild statement, I don’t even think that’s possible.
I’m sorry, he’s no where near the strongest in fiction. And I agree with the other guys that it’s impossible since every 9 year old is gonna make their new self-insert OC the new strongest character in fiction
I love how he doesn’t even mention Hyper, that would just be overkill
This might be a hot take but I think modern Super Sonic is a lot stronger than classic Hyper Sonic. Classic Super got knocked out by a surprise attack from Knuckles - in the same way that Sonic gets stronger as he ages, I think his ability to use super forms gets better too. But yeah a modern Hyper Sonic would be nutty
@@BWHEREconsidering how People argue that Current Base Sonic Slaps Adventure/Heroes Super Sonic,its not a Hot take honestly
@@BWHEREknuckles is the guardian of the master emerald, that was undoubtedly hax abilities he used
@@BWHERE I’ve heard some people say Knuckles’ innate ability to tap into Chaos Emerald energy like Sonic and Shadow was probably the reason he could punch Sonic out of his Super form, either that or through sheer power which is still pretty insane.
Going by this video's scaling of the Chaos Emeralds, and considering how much more powerful the Master Emerald is, and exactly WHAT the Super Emeralds are, Hyper Sonic and Hyper Knuckles clap the entire DB cosmology. Probably Super Tails too, come to think.
I don't care if it's not canon, i'm staying with the "God of they Wind" Sonic
Best Sonic speed feat is from generations and he ran through time to fix all the worlds, MEANING he ran in a place that had no time and utilizing the basic speed equation he made a broken speed equation henceforth meaning that his speed is IMMESURABLE
Frieza: I did it I beat sonic the hedgehog
Cell: no frieza that was big the cat
24:48 there is a feat for that, because in Sonic CD Japanese commercial, its stated CLASSIC SONIC is faster than time itself
and so, CLASSIC SONIC has immeasurable speed
@@radudumitru3306no bro he doesn't have immeasurable speed💀💀y'all taking information from unreliable sources
Like if Sonic CD has immeasurable speed then sonic 2's EGGMAN is literally FASTER THAN THAT because he could OUTRUN sonic after he got defeated 💀💀y'all have the worst logic in the world 😭😭😭
Buu (super/buuhan) almost collapsed reality and yelled in a different dimension unintentionally creating a tear back to Earth and the living realm. It is easier to scale Dbz using guides and multiple videos over the years of dragon ball power scaling. I think sonic caps at Buu saga even in super sonic
Did you not watch the full video💀
But then you would have Hiper Sonic, which we know is, atleast, 7 times Super Sonic (cause Super Emeralds are just the Super form if the chaos Emeralds, so if each Emerald has the power of 7 Emeralds, then you would have a 7 times stronger Super Sonic, whose feats would be completely crazy)
@@Karummiii I watched the full video and the guy was extremely biased and ignored many feats from the dbz anime. The filler of dbz is actually canon in its own right and feats from the filler can be used. Like Goku and pikkon traversing hell which is infinite in size and buhhan being able to collapse the universe. Then kid buu being stated and shown to be stronger then buuhan.
@@haariseyre4867Average DBZ brain rot comment.
Except the fact that the most impressive thing Buu has done has ripped a hole in the dimension to escape the hyperbolic time chamber and one shot planets as shown in his ascension to his original form. Sonic was dealing with threats capable of this back in Unleashed (Dark Gaia) and even Secret Rings (Erazor Djinn). Erazor stated to be universal with the world rings.
“Hey Yuji, Naoto, Hirokazu, how much plot armor do you guys want Sonic to have?”
*in unison* : Yes
It’s funny how he doesn’t even need to bring up Hyper Sonic.
It is a canon form of Sonic that is above Super Sonic.
It’s just can’t be currently reached since the Mega Emeralds are in a different dimension but with Sonic being 5+ dimensional beings who to say he can’t get the Mega Emeralds now?
1st it’s called super emeralds
2nd super modern sonic clears hyper classic without a doubt
@@Baobao66 I know.
But it’s still cannon that Hyper Sonic is still a stronger form of Super Sonic.
So if Super Sonic is this busted imagine the stuff we would get from Hyper Sonic
@@DipperTheJackalope hyper sonic isn't cannon it got stated that like immediately
crazy how we haven't even gotten to hyper sonic (he's canon i don't care what you tell me)
The master emerald was shattered, it is canon, the problem is that sonic can't use it anymore
5:03 Ngl that’s hella downplay for Raditz, given how he easily scales above the speed of Piccolo’s moon blast that’s been calced at relativisic+…
Does it matter tho? Even using the Highest Scaling you could Give Raditz he loses to Base Sonic
@ Regardless of the outcome, the research should be fair on both sides.