That should be obvious though, the separatists were trying to leave the tyrannical republic, and the empire solved few issues they had, it only made the worlds more stable, they didn't deal with any issues caused by the war however.
@@tk-6967 the republic was not tyrannical lmao, but it started to get overbearing *specifically because of palpatine*. people calling the republic bad and saying CIS was "better despite its flaws" are so cringe. the separatists were not freedom fighters, they wanted to bring back slavery and corporate rule over the galaxy. they were not good guys. there were good people both in the republic and under the CIS, but the government of the latter was far far worse than the republic ever was.
The CIS showed how bankers business men and aristocracy take the needs of the people and twist them into a war that is fought for their own gain. The people suffered discrimination, poverty, exploitation (by some of these same corporations that backed the confederacy) and more. The confederacy showed how the upper class takes real ground up movements and twists it into something awful. The republic shows how the upper class weakens the structures meant to address the needs of the people for their own benefit until those structures are useless. Empire shows the military not caring about any of that shit and just putting the hammer on everybody, softening the hammer a bit for the upper class as long as they’re useful (wealthy & influential). Even the rebellion had to deal with this relationship to the upper class as 1. Some of them formed leadership of the rebellion and 2. They needed to form a government out of a total revolutionary collapse & the upper class has the funds & influence to make that smoother.
The CIS politicians weren't evil, like Bonteri, it was the council made up of the corporations like the Trade Fed and Techno Union that were responsible for the horrible atrocities committed by them, ordered by Palpatine and Dooku ofcourse. The CIS is basically an evil version of the Rebellion if they didn't have any moral code or ethics and just did whatever necessary like war crimes. That's why the rebellion chose to fight without employing underhanded and dirty tactics, because it would have been easy for the Empire to label them as a new Separatist threat.
@@justnoel4088 Although you are right about the first part, the rebels used loads of dirty and underhanded tactics, they committed dozens of war crimes. In fact, in a very simplified war crimes count I saw recently for star wars rebels, which counted the rebels in orange vs all other factions, but mainly the empire, in blue, so included Maul's group, criminals and the Mining Guild as well, meaning that it wasn't just Imperial. All in all, the Rebels committed more war crimes than every other faction combined in the show. Phoenix cell is noted to be probably the most humanitarian groups in and out of the Alliance, and Chopper alone has killed over 4000 people in acts of sabotage outside of the show, meaning many of those people would be technicians, engineers, crew and non-combatants, including other droids, as chopper is famous for killing random droids. R2 seems to not really care at all about any foe, whether stormtrooper or fellow droid, ruthlessly butchering Goldie, which was a war crime, and also zapping many people with his equipment. He has airlocked stormtroopers and also used flamethrowers on them and killed several unarmed technicians while freeing C3PO in a comic. All of these things are war crimes.
After WW1 the allied power began their aggression on Germany, Austria-Hungary empire, Ottomen empire, Bulgaria both were occupied by them in their defeat and protest occurred bring out Mark 1 tank
Honestly, most of the Separatist senators and citizens were NOT evil. It was Palpatine, Dooku, the Techno Union, Banking Clan, Trade Federation, and the Separatist Military that were evil and manipulating them.
@@marcelinanowak8736 Ehhh. Not really. He was an aristocrat with aristocratic delusions of grandeur. He asked the right questions, but gave the wrong answers. The Republic needed /more/ genuine democracy, not less, which is the way Dooku envisioned it - a more autocratic state, with centralized power and less bureaucracy. Not a more decentralized system with a greater degree of local autonomy, actual democracy, and a reduction in or elimination of corporate power, which were the actual issues that the Republic had.
The cis. Head members were not. Evil while they made money the republic was screwing them. And the other supported planets and they were tired of it and the senate didnt care what they said the war was well justified. And if palpatine didnt screw dooku the council and grievous chances are the CIS would have won
@@animefrasier @animefrasier They "made money" by abusing and exploiting their workers, corrupting the (already limited and corrupt) political system even further through bribery and threats, ect ect ect. Yes, the Republic was corrupt. So were the top level separatists.
@@TheLostArchangel666 unfortunate but had to be done to finance the droid army/navy the factorys and develop for projects dont come cheap plus no faction plays by the rules 100 percent of the time war is hell
I was always disappointed how little they chose to show shades of grey with the CIS. As a kid watching the Clone Wars I could never understand what was unjust let alone evil about wanting to break away and be independent. They were controlled by the Sith? They were controlled by Corporations? And? So was the Republic.
I think per example Brexit is an example: From the perspective of Pro-Brexiter: It was a choice of national sovereignty, of being rid of demands from an organisation that has been increasingly willing to receive of political powers and threaten Britain's rule of law and choice of self-preservation to choose for it-self of self-sovereignty. And thus being 'independent'. From the perspective of Brexit-Opposition, it was a choice that included fear mongering, seperating from EU benefits and was influenced by alot of negative nationalism and of populist movements that would hurt Britain more than the benefits and loose alot of benefits that the EU provided. It's not a perfect presentation, but see it from this way: The Republic was the largest, perhaps most largest political body in the Galaxy, with lots of 'benefits' but clearly was at the end of it's life cycle super corrupt and clearly influence by large cooperation or very bureaucratized to the point of being ineffetive. Which was unacceptable to the CIA who clearly wanted the rule of law to return to themselves and be allowed to have their own sovereignty (Except they didn't see themselves being influenced by large cooperation or were force to seek their cooperation to preserve that self-sovreignty.)
Ikr. I watched clone wars much later, and I liked it less than rebels. Rebels was dope, and the only issue I had was that the Empire was treated like crap, both morally and in effectiveness. I never watched the final few episodes when I saw how nonsensical it was getting, but with clone wars I couldn't out of nostalgia and the Palpatine Yoda thingy
@@jakobericsson1663 I quite agree, well put. The EU has always in my mind been analogous to the Republic, rather than the US Republic. Given that Systems have their own unique governments, not governors. The CIS is evidently supposed to be analogous to the Confederates in the US civil war. However, they never establish the Separatists in Star Wars as trying to uphold slavery, which really does just reduce them to a secessionist movement from a supernatational union (which isn't all that evil).
@@tk-6967 ngl. I found it frustrating how useless the CIS were in so many episodes of Clone Wars. At least Rebels had Thawn who reliably outmanuvered the rebels at basically every turn.
@@alexander9703 No they didn't. I like Rebels more, but it has the exact same issue as clone wars, my only issue with rebels. The series finale was really stupid, like really stupid, I love Rebels but the level of stuff was similar to Clone Wars stupid.
Most members of the Separatist senate went into hiding or worst. With Dooku and general Grievous gone the Separatists lost their council. Only them and Maul knew about the mystery of Darth Sidious. But only a few bounty hunters was hired by the dark lord of the Sith. The death star was the one thing that the creepy old man had planed before he betrayed the Separatists.
A lot of Key members of the Separatist movements were also executed by Anakin/Vader on Mustafar and the droid army was shutdown shortly after that. Without an army and leaders, the Separatist was pretty much done for.
@@PrototypLetsPlayNute Gunroy knew they showed them talking in Episode 1 but what I don’t know is Count Dooku says he was betrayed by the dark lord so does Gunray know Dooku is working with Sidious?
Even better is how in the following episode, we're shown a Republic Senator willingly selling out his people to get into the Empire's good graces While its sad that we didn't get to see much of this gray area in the Clone Wars show, it is nice to see that the CIS Senate wasn't wrong about the Republic
I don’t think that’s entirely true. The CIS senators and many of its citizens are presented as morally good people who want the right things, however when you let banking clans, trade federations, Evil aristocrats, sith(unknowingly to be fair but still), and slavers to be in charge of your organization, then most of your organization is not right either. With the republic we saw corrupt and shady officials, but we mostly saw good ones trying to make their worlds and the galaxy a better place
@@michaelterrell5061 They didn’t KNOW the corporations were behind their government though. The CIS parliament thought THEY were in control, they didn’t know about the Techno Union, the Trade federation, and even the guilds were behind everything they did. All they thought was that the military was fighting for their best interests (in some parts it was) they didn’t know what was happening. With the Zyggerian slave empire they didn’t know Dooku ALLOWED them to continue operations, and these good senators you’re speaking of… most of them WEREN’T good. Speaking about peace when they held control over their own planets with absolute authority, they sell their own people out for profit. Senator Orn Free Taa for example. During the age of the empire and rebellion, you saw people fighting for the same rights as the separatists did! THEY WERE BASICALLY REBELS WITHOUT PLOT ARMOR.
@@V1nce_man No. Just no. Firstly how do we know that they were unaware of the outside influencers? The banking clan, the Techno Union, the VERY corrupt military, the trade federation, and the other guilds all made their presence in the CIS known and I highly doubt that the supposedly good separatist senators didn’t know how corrupt their organization had become because of the others. Also the CIS was completely different than the rebellion was was a spiritual successor to the republic and all of its commanders(with the exception of Cassian Andor) were former members of the republic.
@@michaelterrell5061 lemme take a page out of your stupid book. No. Just no. Firstly the CIS parliament didn’t know about the Separatist COUNCIL to which most of the corporations were APART OF! They had no representation in the parliament itself, the Confederate senators thought their government was buying from the corporations but they didn’t KNOW they were being run by them! And the ‘corrupt’ military was filled with droids- droids that followed orders. The Confederacy thought they BOUGHT those droids or were being given to them in good faith! They didn’t know what was happening on the front lines (The Republic committed crimes too by the way and their ranks were filled with slave soldiers) and it wasn’t just classian thag joined the rebellion (and that cassias argument is bullshit >_> General Kalani a DROID General resisted the empire with the help of Captain Rex, Kanan, and Ezra before leaving.) many confederate droids and war vessels were USED by the growing rebellion! The Rebellion fought for the same things the Confederacy did, an end to a tyrannical government that had oppressed them.
@@TheErik518 after the rule of the empire nothing has changed in inner rim and colonies the outer rim mostly used as a slave market and the feeder for the death star republic senetors mostly corrupted even before empire rule republic even without the sith going to collaps
@@TheErik518The Empire is 10x better than USA. The Empire just didn’t have any rainbow flags and democracy to cover up the one rotten apple in the whole basket
The cis were a joke, their leaders were greedy over confident fools who should have stayed running their corporate states instead of fighting a galactic war.
If you think about it, the CIS were the equivalent of the Rebel Alliance in the Prequel era. Prequels switched the paradigm of the protagonists and antagonists from the Original trilogy. In the Original trilogy, our heroes were rebels fighting a tyrannical empire. In the Prequel trilogy, the heroes were now the guardians of the republic against seceders who wished for independence.
@@schultz8122 As all part of Palpatine's plan. As Chancellor and Darth Sidious, he played and manipulated both sides in order to create a situation to put him in power and become Emperor of the Galaxy. The Rebellion is also comprised of former Separatists.
I wish on my exam the problem was one of two answers I have to show full work otherwise it's marked wrong I ask her if me showing work calculating my chance of getting it right would count. She then looked me in the eyes and with a straight face said "there is a fifty-fifty chance that would count, so really you're looking at a 25% chance" she then left and went to the restroom. I then wrote, "the real work was the friends along the way" she didn't even grade it just removed it from my test so I didn't get it wrong and lower my grade.
@@luislovera2351 They were the victims. An alliance of planets decided to leave the Republic and the Republic forcefully tried to keep them inside. Their armies were in a lot of ways separated from the main alliance and many had no idea how horrific some of the actions that the Separatist army committed were. The Separatists also didn't use an army of slaves so there's that in addition.
@@luislovera2351 Yes, what Katie said. The true Separatists, as seen in that one episode of the Clone Wars where they were trying to negotiate peace, just wanted to be independent, because a lot of Separatist worlds were only exploited for their resources by the "democratic" Republic. And I dont mean the Trade Federation businessmen and Count Dooku/Grievous. Hell, the True Seps were kept in the dark so much, that they gave Dooku a humanitarian award at one point. They likely didnt even know who tf Grievous was. The whole military leadership was controled by the Sith. Even without Palpatine pulling the strings, the Republic is filled the brim with corruption. They weren't pure evil, but pretty bad. Also, as seen in this clip, the Separatist leaders cared far more for their people than the Senators in the Republic. In fact, you know those massive Venator shipyards at the end of Episode 2? There used to be civilian homes there. They were torn down and every civilian essentially became homeless. The ones that lawfully protested against this were beaten by the Corusant Guard.
@@ShanaReviews Yup, only a handful of Republic senators really cared about the people. And its even worse with Palpatine, he wasn't even a full-on dictator since the beginning, the Republic Senate GAVE him all the power he needed to become one. PS: I checked your channel and saw that YuGiOh video. Oh man, the nostalgia, trading cards and dueling with made up rules and effects in elementary.
I always wondered if the Confederate Senate knew about the shady dealings and atrocities Dooku, Grievous, and Trench were involved in. I have a hard time believing people like Lux and his mom would of approved.
Well some didn’t and even if they knew they couldn’t do anything after all that one separatist senator that died on Scipio was a killed when Count Dooku thought he was a loose end or a fool to kill as his expense.
There is no such thing like a "clean" war. Both sides did some questionable stuff and both senates were very much aware of it. Of course there were always senators (on both sides again) who would have preferred a more diplomatic way but they were a minority and probably smart enough to know that some shady stuff is a necessity in wartimes. The Republic was not better or worse than the CIS and it can´t just be blamed on the Sith controlling both sides. The Jedi (even before the war) as religious fanatics with immense power who put themselves above the law did not need Sith-assistance to do shady stuff. In the legends novels Medstar I+II we learn about an accidental genocide that was commited by the Republic. I´m pretty sure that the majority of people thought quite positive of Grievous´ anti Jedi campaign, even within the Republic.
@@DasVadderr I'm surprised there hasn't been an episode in the CW where the Senate votes on jedi involvement in the war because the point you said about Grivious' secret admirers is 100% true. To the average Republic citizen, your galactic government does not protect your children from crazy religious fanatics because they see a quality in your baby that only they can sense (the force). The jedi back up the republic with their strength so nobody can stand up to them and the republic enables them by letting them get involved in its affairs.
To give a heroic tone to what was nothing more than mediocre carnage, the empire painted the Clone Wars as the heroic defense of a fat and defenseless Republic against anarchic separatists, who were caricatured as droids, aliens and corporations. The CIS never had the will, never less the power to destroy the Republic, they only wanted to protect their independence and freedom, which in no way were they going to achieve in a prolonged war against the vastly superior in population and resources Core Worlds. The CIS was the first victim of Palapatine and the example for the entire galaxy: the central government would control local politics and the defense of local interests would be considered "separatism" and oppression "order".
Thats why CIS went on invasion campaigns against republic worlds and allied themselves with slaver zygerrian empire to bolster their economics. You Seppies aint as holy as you'd like to be.
Because acting like this is in violation of the contract they signed with unholy powers to get elected, and pursuant to page 286, article 11, subsection 8, paragraph 4, sentence 3 of said contract, this voids any and all chances for re-election, as well as revokes any protections preventing any scandals that they were being shielded from. Fucking lawyers, am I right?
This senator is the man who helped changed my perspective on the Confederacy of Independent Systems. I'm glad he escaped, and hope he got to fight to liberate his people from Imperial oppression.
The fitting irony that the Rebel Alliance were inspired by the Separatist Alliance. That's because some of figures and leaders such as Cassian Andor were Separatist.
@@ricardomarquez7730 It was both, many planetary groups who fought against the Separatists had no choice but to join forces with them when the Empire took over The Rebel fleet for example: you'll notice the starfighters were salvaged from Republic assets while the capital ships follow the mon cala design provided by the Separatist Alliance
@@ricardomarquez7730Vader killed the shadow council that ruled them from behind the scenes, simultaneously decapitating the leadership of the CIS Military, while Thrawn and the imperial navy dealt with small pockets of organised resistance, but there were countless separatist worlds and senators still out there who continued to campaign for their cause.
Well kids, I hope we've learned through this series that there are no good guys and bad guys during major conflicts. There are just winners and losers.
But there ARE bad guys, this whole war was literally engineered by evil space wizards. I prefer the quote from the open crawl of Episode III: "There are heroes on both sides".
I remember when our Jedi Agent/contractor, me, and my Squad, had to talk The Bad Batch into helping a Sepertest. My complex Currer Development and connections made it go smoother. The most help was His Speech against The Galactic Empire. May The Force be with you.
0:28 Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser, unsern guten Kaiser Franz! Lange lebe Franz der Kaiser, in des Glückes hellstem Glanz! Ihm erblühen Lorbeerreiser, wo er geht, zum Ehrenkranz! Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser, unsern guten Kaiser Franz!
Dude it's so sad seeing the clones like this. From heroes and liberators, to the very thing they fought against. Seriously what was the point of all that sacrifice but a little game to one old man. Imagine if there were no chips, and the clones had the ability to choose for themselves.
It must have sucked for the separatists to lose their entire army and leaders overnight. The battle droids became paperweights after the shutdown command.
Just one of the many many times Bad Batch backfired when they tried to portray the Empire as evil. Despite all the show's attempts, the Empire came out as Morally Grey yet justified in the end.
If the terms were to harsh I would see it as good to violate the treaty, just like Germany did in WW2, France had the fault and they deserved their humilliating defeat because of how harsh was the treaty of Versailles, sadly they weren't the only ones that paid for it
Hi, I'm Saul Goodman. Did you know that you have rights? Well, the Galactic Constitution says you do, and so do I. I believe that until proven guilty, every man, woman and child in this galaxy is innocent. And that's why I fight for you, denizens of the galaxy!
They were always the good guys, you'll notice most of the villainous plots are carried out by corporate leaders like Nute Gunray and Wat Tambor, who actually manipulate both sides of the conflict under Palpatine's and Dooku's guidance Clone Wars gave us a ton of righteous Separatists even if they still were antagonists: Admiral Trench, Maar Tuk, General Whorm Loathsome, the Geonosians, the Umbarans, Slick, etc
On the contrary we had a good look at the true heart of the seperatists during the clone wars series. PEople tired of the political corruption of the rebpulic and seeking a better way.... but manipualted and exploited by those who promised them the strength to break free. the atrocities committed by the army itself were largely unknown to the seperatists at their core.
The CIS: "We're breaking away from the Republic because we want to be independent." The Republic: "Ok. I guess we'll hold these truths to be self-evident." Palpatine: "Well shit."
After seeing tales of the Jedi, it’s not wonder Raxus joined the separatists. Apparently Singh replaced Larik but I guess his position in the senate wasn’t enough to help his people undo the damage Larik did so he joined Dooku’s cause
The Separatists were only ever the bad guys because Palpatine was controlling Dooku and had Grievous programmed to be a psychopath. Without his interference, we would have and should have been rooting for the droids the whole time.
@@CedarHunt Evil for what? For wanting independence? For wanting the freedom to rule themselves? For being tired of the neglect the Republic offered in exchange of huge taxation rates?
@@aitipsea3909 For enabling the slave trade. For conquering worlds that didn't want them. They weren't just looking for the ability yo government themselves. They already had that under the Republic. They were looking for the opportunity to resurrect the slave trade, steal resources from conquered worlds, and genocide whole populations for the crime of disagreeing with their extremist position.
its weird seeing phase 2 clone trooper armor when by the time of the empire the clones switch to phase 3 armor that looked my similar to the storm trooper armor, and seeing old AT-TE when AT-AT and AT-ST would have been already fully adopted.
A Phase III clone trooper design for the clone trooper armor was considered at one point during the Clone Wars, but ultimately canceled. With the rise of the Galactic Empire, however, the Phase III helmet was repurposed for the armor of the TK stormtroopers, the first generation of recruited troopers from Project War-Mantle, this episode is set in 19 bby first instence we know of the at st is 18bby it was in service during the invasion of mon cala, and while yes the first at at where created at this point there surlry wouldnt be enough of them to just through away the atte at this point it would be a logistical nightmare
To be fair it's like any other nation irl The CIS main leaders were probably bad, however that doesn't mean the people are, they also had democratic governments, I bet you if Starwars glorified the other side, we be rooting for the Separatists and not the Republic.
@@grimmwarden1903 you ARE aware that the both the Gulf and Iraq wars happened decades AFTER the conception of the Clone Wars right? There's certainly some applicability you can see, and looking at it that way is valid, but it is simply a coincidence. Lucas wasn't really based on any particular world event for Star Wars beyond general feelings and aesthetics, like the nazi-esque looks of the Empire and shit.
Nope the Rebel alliance is nothing like the CIS because they wanted to keep the Republic alive and help the people who need it most plus the Rebels never committed war crimes nor forced other to join them unlike the Separatists.
For those of you not aware, there's a reason why the Republic stopped being a thing after a while in the star wars universe and why the empire remained for longer even if it was at a smaller more factional capacity. They basically came into old separatist planets and puppeted the governments, the old CIS guard turned into the good guys no matter what the republic did which frankly if you look at it from there perspective and from a political and economic stand point there was good reason for them splitting off and becoming there own thing.
What do you mean by “empire remained for longer”. The republic is thousands of years old if I’m not mistaken, and the empire fell only after a few decades, not even a century.
@@bigchonkerraccoon5046 no, not exactly, the rebels in the original star wars trilogy agreed to a peace deal with the empire, in exchange the empire would go off into there corner of the universe and the republic would go off into there's after thrawn came back and handed the republic it's ass. It's a whole storyline in the expanded universe and it goes so far as to extend into the Cade Skywalker Legacy Era when the empire had a none force user dynasty on the throne but was puppeted by Darth krayt.
@@thegunslinger8806 I was talking about canon, which is still correct. Regardless I’m aware of the legends empire, but even that empire, without a formal conclusion, still hasn’t lasted as long as the republic, which again, lasted thousands of years.
The empire and the CIS are both considered dark sides cuz they are both ruled by the Sith... the galactic republic, the rebel alliance to restore the republic and the resistance are the good guys
I don't mind the rebel alliance but the republic was also ruled by the sith and with total control in mind. The jedi council was also extremely incompetent to chose the republic, they could remain neutral or at the very least see the tyranny they fought for. (Palpatine made too many decisions hinting his identity) Dooku was the Sith in control of CIS and yes, he was following Palpatine's orders, but he had his own plans. He would see the CIS the victors and kill Palpatine, after all he had 2 Apprentices that he attempted to use against him when they where ready. (sad ending for both) Where it not for the Jedi Dooku and the Separatist would win the war. (we both know that most key engagements between the CIS and Republic where won by the later by EXTREME luck and a Jedi.)
@@fotppd1475 the republic was under the control of the Jedi order but then it was betrayed by a spy of the separatists, which was Palpatine which later became chancellor and overthrew the republic and proclaimed the galactic empire
@@fotppd1475 there is a reason why the galactic republic, the rebel alliance to restore the republic, the new republic and the resistance are considered light side Meanwhile The sith empire, the separatists, the galactic empire and the first order are considered dark side
@@fotppd1475 the separatists and the empire are no different from eachother, they both want to destroy the republic… Only the pro republic supporters are the good guys
The clones used to be so good, so cool and helpful. Now the Empire had came in and altered their programming, it's sad to see the once beloved soldiers and badasses become like this
@@Entropic_Meat_Machine He’s talking about China who have recently locked down a few cities; securing the doors of apartment buildings and houses literally locking citizens inside without the ability to leave unless escorted by a government official. Mass starvation is occurring as a result.
@@evanrogers1825 they don’t care. They’re probably in favor of such draconian and inhumane restrictions. They like SW as a narrative template for their own selves , but will act like there’s no applicable parallels when given counter narratives that expose their own worldview as oppressive.
Separatist Senators within the Parliament were mostly ignorant of the atrocities committed by Dooku, Grievous, and the Separatist Council as the Parliament were more in charge of operations within their own planetary borders and not within the concentration of the war.
@@kingorange7739 because they were breaking the law by seceding and had kidnapped two jedi and a senator, with plans to execute them. Next time don't start a fight if you can't finish it.
it would ve helped more to show the empire as an evil faction if the officer had killed the senator in the middle of its speech and he then fell from the balcony, or thats what i think
As I understood it, the Empire was still trying to put on a nice face in the early days. If they started public executions right out of the gate everyone and their sister would of started resisting them. Remember, Palpatine didn't dissolve the Senate until the Beginning of Episode 4 when the Death Star was coming online. At that point it was pretty much the signal for everyone in the Empire to stop worrying about seeming nice.
@@barbatosmcmurderton4209 well thats true, however as soon as they arrest the senator the people gets mad so that ir didnt really helped their image, or thats what I think idk
@@lasojotas791 Fair enough. However, I believe that while this arrest turned a good chunck of the planet against the Empire, it could have been spun as just having trouble "de-radicalizing a former Separatist world" or some similar nonsense. Where as if word got out that the Empire publicly executed the elected representative of a world as soon as he expressed disaproval of the Empire's policies, forget the former Separatist worlds, most of the worlds that had stayed loyal to the Republic would start actively resisting as well.
Didn’t know Emperor Franz Joseph was in Star Wars
He lived for so long, he decided to go into Space after the Great War
If you didn't see the next episodes, he gets assassinated by philip grabce of the black separatist hand and starts galactic war one
God save our emperor Franz, our good emperor Franz
AEIOU moment
@@iDeathMaximuMII Other way around. He was senator a long time ago in a galaxy far away, then he came to earth.
Like how they show that the CIS are closer to the Rebellion then to the Empire like many would think.
That should be obvious though, the separatists were trying to leave the tyrannical republic, and the empire solved few issues they had, it only made the worlds more stable, they didn't deal with any issues caused by the war however.
@@tk-6967 the republic was not tyrannical lmao, but it started to get overbearing *specifically because of palpatine*. people calling the republic bad and saying CIS was "better despite its flaws" are so cringe. the separatists were not freedom fighters, they wanted to bring back slavery and corporate rule over the galaxy. they were not good guys. there were good people both in the republic and under the CIS, but the government of the latter was far far worse than the republic ever was.
The CIS showed how bankers business men and aristocracy take the needs of the people and twist them into a war that is fought for their own gain.
The people suffered discrimination, poverty, exploitation (by some of these same corporations that backed the confederacy) and more. The confederacy showed how the upper class takes real ground up movements and twists it into something awful. The republic shows how the upper class weakens the structures meant to address the needs of the people for their own benefit until those structures are useless.
Empire shows the military not caring about any of that shit and just putting the hammer on everybody, softening the hammer a bit for the upper class as long as they’re useful (wealthy & influential).
Even the rebellion had to deal with this relationship to the upper class as 1. Some of them formed leadership of the rebellion and 2. They needed to form a government out of a total revolutionary collapse & the upper class has the funds & influence to make that smoother.
The CIS politicians weren't evil, like Bonteri, it was the council made up of the corporations like the Trade Fed and Techno Union that were responsible for the horrible atrocities committed by them, ordered by Palpatine and Dooku ofcourse.
The CIS is basically an evil version of the Rebellion if they didn't have any moral code or ethics and just did whatever necessary like war crimes. That's why the rebellion chose to fight without employing underhanded and dirty tactics, because it would have been easy for the Empire to label them as a new Separatist threat.
@@justnoel4088 Although you are right about the first part, the rebels used loads of dirty and underhanded tactics, they committed dozens of war crimes. In fact, in a very simplified war crimes count I saw recently for star wars rebels, which counted the rebels in orange vs all other factions, but mainly the empire, in blue, so included Maul's group, criminals and the Mining Guild as well, meaning that it wasn't just Imperial. All in all, the Rebels committed more war crimes than every other faction combined in the show. Phoenix cell is noted to be probably the most humanitarian groups in and out of the Alliance, and Chopper alone has killed over 4000 people in acts of sabotage outside of the show, meaning many of those people would be technicians, engineers, crew and non-combatants, including other droids, as chopper is famous for killing random droids. R2 seems to not really care at all about any foe, whether stormtrooper or fellow droid, ruthlessly butchering Goldie, which was a war crime, and also zapping many people with his equipment. He has airlocked stormtroopers and also used flamethrowers on them and killed several unarmed technicians while freeing C3PO in a comic. All of these things are war crimes.
"No, wait. This is wrong. It is my duty to act in their best interest." - said no politician ever
Now, be fair, there are plenty of politicians who say that. The few who actually mean it, don't tend to stay in office long.
A lot of people have said this. You just don't study history
The difference I say between politician and statesman.
Only a monarch can make such a statement as a monarch is the father of a nation.
@@JL-XrtaMayoNoCheese Someone drank the kool aid
Looks like Austria-Hungary managed to survive after y’all
You're absolutely foul 💀💀
Lmao
Better tell their leaders not to take a cab ride around townm
After WW1 the allied power began their aggression on Germany, Austria-Hungary empire, Ottomen empire, Bulgaria both were occupied by them in their defeat and protest occurred bring out Mark 1 tank
They even got a diverse population! Judging by the multitude of species seen
Honestly, most of the Separatist senators and citizens were NOT evil. It was Palpatine, Dooku, the Techno Union, Banking Clan, Trade Federation, and the Separatist Military that were evil and manipulating them.
Dooku wasn't evil too. He just walk over dead bodies but he had good intention.
@@marcelinanowak8736 Ehhh. Not really. He was an aristocrat with aristocratic delusions of grandeur. He asked the right questions, but gave the wrong answers. The Republic needed /more/ genuine democracy, not less, which is the way Dooku envisioned it - a more autocratic state, with centralized power and less bureaucracy. Not a more decentralized system with a greater degree of local autonomy, actual democracy, and a reduction in or elimination of corporate power, which were the actual issues that the Republic had.
The cis. Head members were not. Evil while they made money the republic was screwing them. And the other supported planets and they were tired of it and the senate didnt care what they said the war was well justified. And if palpatine didnt screw dooku the council and grievous chances are the CIS would have won
@@animefrasier @animefrasier They "made money" by abusing and exploiting their workers, corrupting the (already limited and corrupt) political system even further through bribery and threats, ect ect ect.
Yes, the Republic was corrupt. So were the top level separatists.
@@TheLostArchangel666 unfortunate but had to be done to finance the droid army/navy the factorys and develop for projects dont come cheap plus no faction plays by the rules 100 percent of the time war is hell
I was always disappointed how little they chose to show shades of grey with the CIS. As a kid watching the Clone Wars I could never understand what was unjust let alone evil about wanting to break away and be independent.
They were controlled by the Sith? They were controlled by Corporations? And? So was the Republic.
I think per example Brexit is an example:
From the perspective of Pro-Brexiter: It was a choice of national sovereignty, of being rid of demands from an organisation that has been increasingly willing to receive of political powers and threaten Britain's rule of law and choice of self-preservation to choose for it-self of self-sovereignty. And thus being 'independent'.
From the perspective of Brexit-Opposition, it was a choice that included fear mongering, seperating from EU benefits and was influenced by alot of negative nationalism and of populist movements that would hurt Britain more than the benefits and loose alot of benefits that the EU provided.
It's not a perfect presentation, but see it from this way:
The Republic was the largest, perhaps most largest political body in the Galaxy, with lots of 'benefits' but clearly was at the end of it's life cycle super corrupt and clearly influence by large cooperation or very bureaucratized to the point of being ineffetive. Which was unacceptable to the CIA who clearly wanted the rule of law to return to themselves and be allowed to have their own sovereignty (Except they didn't see themselves being influenced by large cooperation or were force to seek their cooperation to preserve that self-sovreignty.)
Ikr. I watched clone wars much later, and I liked it less than rebels. Rebels was dope, and the only issue I had was that the Empire was treated like crap, both morally and in effectiveness. I never watched the final few episodes when I saw how nonsensical it was getting, but with clone wars I couldn't out of nostalgia and the Palpatine Yoda thingy
@@jakobericsson1663 I quite agree, well put. The EU has always in my mind been analogous to the Republic, rather than the US Republic. Given that Systems have their own unique governments, not governors.
The CIS is evidently supposed to be analogous to the Confederates in the US civil war. However, they never establish the Separatists in Star Wars as trying to uphold slavery, which really does just reduce them to a secessionist movement from a supernatational union (which isn't all that evil).
@@tk-6967 ngl. I found it frustrating how useless the CIS were in so many episodes of Clone Wars. At least Rebels had Thawn who reliably outmanuvered the rebels at basically every turn.
@@alexander9703 No they didn't. I like Rebels more, but it has the exact same issue as clone wars, my only issue with rebels. The series finale was really stupid, like really stupid, I love Rebels but the level of stuff was similar to Clone Wars stupid.
Most members of the Separatist senate went into hiding or worst.
With Dooku and general Grievous gone the Separatists lost their council.
Only them and Maul knew about the mystery of Darth Sidious.
But only a few bounty hunters was hired by the dark lord of the Sith.
The death star was the one thing that the creepy old man had planed before he betrayed the Separatists.
Aka why Dooku had to run away with the death star plans
A lot of Key members of the Separatist movements were also executed by Anakin/Vader on Mustafar and the droid army was shutdown shortly after that. Without an army and leaders, the Separatist was pretty much done for.
The separatist council didnt know about Sidious. They were played like the Republic and the Jedi.
@@PrototypLetsPlay they knew sidious was a sith but they didn't know palpatine was sidios
@@PrototypLetsPlayNute Gunroy knew they showed them talking in Episode 1 but what I don’t know is Count Dooku says he was betrayed by the dark lord so does Gunray know Dooku is working with Sidious?
Even better is how in the following episode, we're shown a Republic Senator willingly selling out his people to get into the Empire's good graces
While its sad that we didn't get to see much of this gray area in the Clone Wars show, it is nice to see that the CIS Senate wasn't wrong about the Republic
I don’t think that’s entirely true. The CIS senators and many of its citizens are presented as morally good people who want the right things, however when you let banking clans, trade federations, Evil aristocrats, sith(unknowingly to be fair but still), and slavers to be in charge of your organization, then most of your organization is not right either. With the republic we saw corrupt and shady officials, but we mostly saw good ones trying to make their worlds and the galaxy a better place
@@michaelterrell5061
They didn’t KNOW the corporations were behind their government though. The CIS parliament thought THEY were in control, they didn’t know about the Techno Union, the Trade federation, and even the guilds were behind everything they did. All they thought was that the military was fighting for their best interests (in some parts it was) they didn’t know what was happening.
With the Zyggerian slave empire they didn’t know Dooku ALLOWED them to continue operations, and these good senators you’re speaking of… most of them WEREN’T good. Speaking about peace when they held control over their own planets with absolute authority, they sell their own people out for profit. Senator Orn Free Taa for example. During the age of the empire and rebellion, you saw people fighting for the same rights as the separatists did! THEY WERE BASICALLY REBELS WITHOUT PLOT ARMOR.
@@V1nce_man No. Just no.
Firstly how do we know that they were unaware of the outside influencers? The banking clan, the Techno Union, the VERY corrupt military, the trade federation, and the other guilds all made their presence in the CIS known and I highly doubt that the supposedly good separatist senators didn’t know how corrupt their organization had become because of the others.
Also the CIS was completely different than the rebellion was was a spiritual successor to the republic and all of its commanders(with the exception of Cassian Andor) were former members of the republic.
@Danny Tallmage No.
@@michaelterrell5061
lemme take a page out of your stupid book.
No. Just no.
Firstly the CIS parliament didn’t know about the Separatist COUNCIL to which most of the corporations were APART OF! They had no representation in the parliament itself, the Confederate senators thought their government was buying from the corporations but they didn’t KNOW they were being run by them! And the ‘corrupt’ military was filled with droids- droids that followed orders. The Confederacy thought they BOUGHT those droids or were being given to them in good faith! They didn’t know what was happening on the front lines (The Republic committed crimes too by the way and their ranks were filled with slave soldiers) and it wasn’t just classian thag joined the rebellion (and that cassias argument is bullshit >_> General Kalani a DROID General resisted the empire with the help of Captain Rex, Kanan, and Ezra before leaving.) many confederate droids and war vessels were USED by the growing rebellion! The Rebellion fought for the same things the Confederacy did, an end to a tyrannical government that had oppressed them.
The Empire assassinated Franz Ferdinand confirmed
Its heartbreaking to see the Clones, once defenders of the Republic, reduced into cold enforcers of the Empire.
The republic was tyrannical. The empire was just. You have it backwards.
They’re was always meant to be like that…no matter what.
@@JL-XrtaMayoNoCheesethis is some nice empire propaganda right here :)
@@TheErik518 after the rule of the empire nothing has changed in inner rim and colonies the outer rim mostly used as a slave market and the feeder for the death star republic senetors mostly corrupted even before empire rule republic even without the sith going to collaps
@@TheErik518The Empire is 10x better than USA. The Empire just didn’t have any rainbow flags and democracy to cover up the one rotten apple in the whole basket
Clone Force 99 had issues with the Separatist.
Without Dooku gone the leadership started falling to pieces.
The cis were a joke, their leaders were greedy over confident fools who should have stayed running their corporate states instead of fighting a galactic war.
If you think about it, the CIS were the equivalent of the Rebel Alliance in the Prequel era. Prequels switched the paradigm of the protagonists and antagonists from the Original trilogy. In the Original trilogy, our heroes were rebels fighting a tyrannical empire. In the Prequel trilogy, the heroes were now the guardians of the republic against seceders who wished for independence.
Except they did more than secede. They started a war.
@@schultz8122 As all part of Palpatine's plan. As Chancellor and Darth Sidious, he played and manipulated both sides in order to create a situation to put him in power and become Emperor of the Galaxy. The Rebellion is also comprised of former Separatists.
@@schultz8122 The Rebels also started a war with the Empire
@@schultz8122 Pretty sure Yoda started that war when he came to Geonosis with an invasion fleet.
@@Dekline25 Dooku tried to execute two jedi and a republic senator...
My teacher after staring at my paper for 5 mins during an exam: 0:35
I wish on my exam the problem was one of two answers I have to show full work otherwise it's marked wrong I ask her if me showing work calculating my chance of getting it right would count. She then looked me in the eyes and with a straight face said "there is a fifty-fifty chance that would count, so really you're looking at a 25% chance" she then left and went to the restroom. I then wrote, "the real work was the friends along the way" she didn't even grade it just removed it from my test so I didn't get it wrong and lower my grade.
Man, from doctor Bashir, to Head of the Dorne Family, Alexander Singh its just the best scifi-fantasy Diplomat Ever
I never realized that the senator was voiced by Alexander Singh
@@CaptainM792 I Know, happened to me as well, the look of surprise they share the same surname xD
The guy’s name is Alexander Siddig, not Singh
@@pastlife960 close enoy
Alexander siddig is from Sudan in east Africa. Singh is Punjabi, which is in northern India
Just a reminder, a lot of CIS members would go on to help start the rebellions
Confederacy was so great that even the emperor Franz Joseph of Austria-Hungary supported it
Funny how star wars is just America in space
Man, the Sepratists were the true Heroes of the Clone Wars.
True heroes is such a strong word
@@luislovera2351 They were the victims. An alliance of planets decided to leave the Republic and the Republic forcefully tried to keep them inside. Their armies were in a lot of ways separated from the main alliance and many had no idea how horrific some of the actions that the Separatist army committed were. The Separatists also didn't use an army of slaves so there's that in addition.
no
@@luislovera2351 Yes, what Katie said. The true Separatists, as seen in that one episode of the Clone Wars where they were trying to negotiate peace, just wanted to be independent, because a lot of Separatist worlds were only exploited for their resources by the "democratic" Republic. And I dont mean the Trade Federation businessmen and Count Dooku/Grievous. Hell, the True Seps were kept in the dark so much, that they gave Dooku a humanitarian award at one point. They likely didnt even know who tf Grievous was. The whole military leadership was controled by the Sith. Even without Palpatine pulling the strings, the Republic is filled the brim with corruption. They weren't pure evil, but pretty bad. Also, as seen in this clip, the Separatist leaders cared far more for their people than the Senators in the Republic. In fact, you know those massive Venator shipyards at the end of Episode 2? There used to be civilian homes there. They were torn down and every civilian essentially became homeless. The ones that lawfully protested against this were beaten by the Corusant Guard.
@@ShanaReviews Yup, only a handful of Republic senators really cared about the people. And its even worse with Palpatine, he wasn't even a full-on dictator since the beginning, the Republic Senate GAVE him all the power he needed to become one.
PS: I checked your channel and saw that YuGiOh video. Oh man, the nostalgia, trading cards and dueling with made up rules and effects in elementary.
I always wondered if the Confederate Senate knew about the shady dealings and atrocities Dooku, Grievous, and Trench were involved in. I have a hard time believing people like Lux and his mom would of approved.
Well some didn’t and even if they knew they couldn’t do anything after all that one separatist senator that died on Scipio was a killed when Count Dooku thought he was a loose end or a fool to kill as his expense.
There is no such thing like a "clean" war. Both sides did some questionable stuff and both senates were very much aware of it. Of course there were always senators (on both sides again) who would have preferred a more diplomatic way but they were a minority and probably smart enough to know that some shady stuff is a necessity in wartimes. The Republic was not better or worse than the CIS and it can´t just be blamed on the Sith controlling both sides. The Jedi (even before the war) as religious fanatics with immense power who put themselves above the law did not need Sith-assistance to do shady stuff. In the legends novels Medstar I+II we learn about an accidental genocide that was commited by the Republic.
I´m pretty sure that the majority of people thought quite positive of Grievous´ anti Jedi campaign, even within the Republic.
Very few did. What the senate and citizens wanted was completely different then what the military did.
Many might have seen it as enemy propaganda
@@DasVadderr I'm surprised there hasn't been an episode in the CW where the Senate votes on jedi involvement in the war because the point you said about Grivious' secret admirers is 100% true. To the average Republic citizen, your galactic government does not protect your children from crazy religious fanatics because they see a quality in your baby that only they can sense (the force). The jedi back up the republic with their strength so nobody can stand up to them and the republic enables them by letting them get involved in its affairs.
We need more people like Avi Singh, willing to speak against bureucracy and hypocrisy.
"The greatness of the Empire is not in the border of its territory, but in the state in which it has brought them."
To give a heroic tone to what was nothing more than mediocre carnage, the empire painted the Clone Wars as the heroic defense of a fat and defenseless Republic against anarchic separatists, who were caricatured as droids, aliens and corporations.
The CIS never had the will, never less the power to destroy the Republic, they only wanted to protect their independence and freedom, which in no way were they going to achieve in a prolonged war against the vastly superior in population and resources Core Worlds.
The CIS was the first victim of Palapatine and the example for the entire galaxy: the central government would control local politics and the defense of local interests would be considered "separatism" and oppression "order".
Thats why CIS went on invasion campaigns against republic worlds and allied themselves with slaver zygerrian empire to bolster their economics.
You Seppies aint as holy as you'd like to be.
Such a powerful scene. This is one of my favorites from the series
why can't we have politicians like him?
Because acting like this is in violation of the contract they signed with unholy powers to get elected, and pursuant to page 286, article 11, subsection 8, paragraph 4, sentence 3 of said contract, this voids any and all chances for re-election, as well as revokes any protections preventing any scandals that they were being shielded from.
Fucking lawyers, am I right?
The world ran out of people like him...
Because the bad ones always steal the spotlight from them
@@knightmarespawn2690 And the Good ones are killed
Because they get eliminated immediately like what happened to him here
This senator is the man who helped changed my perspective on the Confederacy of Independent Systems. I'm glad he escaped, and hope he got to fight to liberate his people from Imperial oppression.
The fitting irony that the Rebel Alliance were inspired by the Separatist Alliance. That's because some of figures and leaders such as Cassian Andor were Separatist.
I thought it was the Rebels of Onderon that helped with the Rebel Alliance formation in the first place not the Separatists?
@@ricardomarquez7730 It was both, many planetary groups who fought against the Separatists had no choice but to join forces with them when the Empire took over
The Rebel fleet for example: you'll notice the starfighters were salvaged from Republic assets while the capital ships follow the mon cala design provided by the Separatist Alliance
@@aitipsea3909 True but I thought most of the Separatists were wiped out by Vader and Tarkin after the war?
@@ricardomarquez7730Vader killed the shadow council that ruled them from behind the scenes, simultaneously decapitating the leadership of the CIS Military, while Thrawn and the imperial navy dealt with small pockets of organised resistance, but there were countless separatist worlds and senators still out there who continued to campaign for their cause.
@@Vegito_Fanpage True but remember in Star Wars the Bad Batch the other Separatist senators were either arrested or worse.
Well kids, I hope we've learned through this series that there are no good guys and bad guys during major conflicts. There are just winners and losers.
But there ARE bad guys, this whole war was literally engineered by evil space wizards. I prefer the quote from the open crawl of Episode III: "There are heroes on both sides".
There’s bad and there’s evil not much in between
@@rebelfriend5327 Evil is a matter of perspective. Hitler genuinely thought he was making the world a better place. At least for his chosen faction.
I remember when our Jedi Agent/contractor, me, and my Squad, had to talk The Bad Batch into helping a Sepertest. My complex Currer Development and connections made it go smoother. The most help was His Speech against The Galactic Empire. May The Force be with you.
I love how we all don't know his name
Is Avi Singh, no?
No, its Franz Joseph in spaaaace!
Its Senator Bashir
@@thebandit0256 lol nice
0:28
Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser, unsern guten Kaiser Franz!
Lange lebe Franz der Kaiser, in des Glückes hellstem Glanz!
Ihm erblühen Lorbeerreiser, wo er geht, zum Ehrenkranz!
Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser, unsern guten Kaiser Franz!
Dude it's so sad seeing the clones like this. From heroes and liberators, to the very thing they fought against. Seriously what was the point of all that sacrifice but a little game to one old man. Imagine if there were no chips, and the clones had the ability to choose for themselves.
They'd still follow orders.
@Barbarossa controlled and being used by a corrupt government and clan? yeah "peacefully"
@@die1mayer Only a few would. Clones like Rex, Jesse and even Cody would flat out refuse without the chips.
“We left as heroes, years later we returned as conquerors” Star Wars battlefront 2 after the kashyyyk
Their sacrifice wasn't their choice from the start
It must have sucked for the separatists to lose their entire army and leaders overnight. The battle droids became paperweights after the shutdown command.
Imagine losing a war, surrendering, then violating your terms of surrender.
Based
@@GanyuSimpingDegenerate based? based on what?
Just one of the many many times Bad Batch backfired when they tried to portray the Empire as evil. Despite all the show's attempts, the Empire came out as Morally Grey yet justified in the end.
If the terms were to harsh I would see it as good to violate the treaty, just like Germany did in WW2, France had the fault and they deserved their humilliating defeat because of how harsh was the treaty of Versailles, sadly they weren't the only ones that paid for it
Based
Anyone else getting flashbacks to Revenge of the Sith where Lord Vader meets with the Separatist leaders
Holy sh*t austria-hungary in star wars
Yes.
The CIS are American confederates.
The Republic is Lincoln's Union
The Empire is the American Third Reich
This guy's entire arc was "No wait, this is wrong" to "No wait, this is wrong"
0:34
…said no politician ever.
The ones who do happen to die under "misterious circumstances"
"The Empire is not your enemy." That's just a load of bantha fodder.
Hi, I'm Saul Goodman. Did you know that you have rights? Well, the Galactic Constitution says you do, and so do I. I believe that until proven guilty, every man, woman and child in this galaxy is innocent. And that's why I fight for you, denizens of the galaxy!
As you see, it's Tiananmen square but with walkers.
What’s that?
Separatists during the clone wars: "Hahahah! I'm so evil!"
Separatists during the galactic civil war: "We're the good guys now."
They were always the good guys, you'll notice most of the villainous plots are carried out by corporate leaders like Nute Gunray and Wat Tambor, who actually manipulate both sides of the conflict under Palpatine's and Dooku's guidance
Clone Wars gave us a ton of righteous Separatists even if they still were antagonists: Admiral Trench, Maar Tuk, General Whorm Loathsome, the Geonosians, the Umbarans, Slick, etc
On the contrary we had a good look at the true heart of the seperatists during the clone wars series. PEople tired of the political corruption of the rebpulic and seeking a better way.... but manipualted and exploited by those who promised them the strength to break free.
the atrocities committed by the army itself were largely unknown to the seperatists at their core.
The CIS: "We're breaking away from the Republic because we want to be independent."
The Republic: "Ok. I guess we'll hold these truths to be self-evident."
Palpatine: "Well shit."
After seeing tales of the Jedi, it’s not wonder Raxus joined the separatists. Apparently Singh replaced Larik but I guess his position in the senate wasn’t enough to help his people undo the damage Larik did so he joined Dooku’s cause
For anyone who hasn't seen the episode, they do eventually rescue the poor guy
You know as they say “Never meet your Negotiators”
Alternative title: Austria Hungary rebels against the Empire
All we wanted was freedom.
Your definition of freedom is slavery
The Separatists were only ever the bad guys because Palpatine was controlling Dooku and had Grievous programmed to be a psychopath.
Without his interference, we would have and should have been rooting for the droids the whole time.
Nah, the separatists caused the clone wars and were the direct cause of the empire. They were evil.
@@CedarHunt Evil for what? For wanting independence? For wanting the freedom to rule themselves? For being tired of the neglect the Republic offered in exchange of huge taxation rates?
@@aitipsea3909 For enabling the slave trade. For conquering worlds that didn't want them. They weren't just looking for the ability yo government themselves. They already had that under the Republic. They were looking for the opportunity to resurrect the slave trade, steal resources from conquered worlds, and genocide whole populations for the crime of disagreeing with their extremist position.
Kim Yo Jong making a speech assuring that curfew enforcement is for citizens' protection.
I was hoping the whole episode that a big army of droids would activate ngl
This is the best scene in the show.
its weird seeing phase 2 clone trooper armor when by the time of the empire the clones switch to phase 3 armor that looked my similar to the storm trooper armor, and seeing old AT-TE when AT-AT and AT-ST would have been already fully adopted.
A Phase III clone trooper design for the clone trooper armor was considered at one point during the Clone Wars, but ultimately canceled. With the rise of the Galactic Empire, however, the Phase III helmet was repurposed for the armor of the TK stormtroopers, the first generation of recruited troopers from Project War-Mantle,
this episode is set in 19 bby first instence we know of the at st is 18bby it was in service during the invasion of mon cala,
and while yes the first at at where created at this point there surlry wouldnt be enough of them to just through away the atte at this point it would be a logistical nightmare
We see a prototype AT-ST at the end of Season 2 of The Bad Batch.
To be fair it's like any other nation irl
The CIS main leaders were probably bad, however that doesn't mean the people are, they also had democratic governments, I bet you if Starwars glorified the other side, we be rooting for the Separatists and not the Republic.
Separatists were trying to get away from republic tyrants
Didn't know Star Wars was a holosuite episode because that Senator is Doctor Julian Bashir
The SentOr is voiced by Dr Bashir, and the droud is called DS8. 😂
To be fair this is a great reason why they wanted to separate from the Republic in the first place. Regardless if it was orchestrated by Palpatine.
Long Live the Confederacy of Independent Systems!
Its dead.
I love how they flipp the script here a separatist being abused by the republic it really helps to show that the universe isn't black and white
i dressed up as Bragg for Halloween
It is somewhat haunting how much phase 2 armored clones resemble stormtroopers
Because they are the stormtroopers.
Tianamen Square vibes from these scene I feel
nothing happen there, to the concentration camp you go.
@@paradropgeneral4397 good citizen you are.
Social credit score rise shall
It's literally the Iraq war lol That's Lucas whole conception and inspiration for the Clone Wars
@@grimmwarden1903 you ARE aware that the both the Gulf and Iraq wars happened decades AFTER the conception of the Clone Wars right? There's certainly some applicability you can see, and looking at it that way is valid, but it is simply a coincidence. Lucas wasn't really based on any particular world event for Star Wars beyond general feelings and aesthetics, like the nazi-esque looks of the Empire and shit.
Lol, Space Habsburgs.
The CIS will rise again!
The Rebel Alliance is basically CIS 2.0.
Roger Roger
@@АлексейТабаков-ы8в Not rlly
@@АлексейТабаков-ы8в Except the Alliance To Restore The Republic isn't being run by Mega Corporations.
Nope the Rebel alliance is nothing like the CIS because they wanted to keep the Republic alive and help the people who need it most plus the Rebels never committed war crimes nor forced other to join them unlike the Separatists.
0:35 that's right, always do what's right for the people no matter the consequences......... always speak for everyone's rights.
Why did Kaiser Franz Joseph I came to Star Wars😭😭😭
Learning this guy is Julian Bashir was very enlightening, though he did not reprise his role for Season 3
Disney when they bought Star Wars from George 💀
How ironic. Troops that were once welcomed as liberators are now scorned and hated as invaders.
Count dooku was right...
Ngl I’d have figured palps would’ve used the droids to gain control of the separatist planets, to avoid this issue
That Sideburnstache(TM) is absolutely immaculate.
This guy is dressed like a cross between an Englishman, a Prussian, and an Ottoman lol (with a South Asian name and complexion)
Looks like a Ottoman Sultan probably before the end of the great war
For those of you not aware, there's a reason why the Republic stopped being a thing after a while in the star wars universe and why the empire remained for longer even if it was at a smaller more factional capacity. They basically came into old separatist planets and puppeted the governments, the old CIS guard turned into the good guys no matter what the republic did which frankly if you look at it from there perspective and from a political and economic stand point there was good reason for them splitting off and becoming there own thing.
What do you mean by “empire remained for longer”. The republic is thousands of years old if I’m not mistaken, and the empire fell only after a few decades, not even a century.
@@bigchonkerraccoon5046 no, not exactly, the rebels in the original star wars trilogy agreed to a peace deal with the empire, in exchange the empire would go off into there corner of the universe and the republic would go off into there's after thrawn came back and handed the republic it's ass. It's a whole storyline in the expanded universe and it goes so far as to extend into the Cade Skywalker Legacy Era when the empire had a none force user dynasty on the throne but was puppeted by Darth krayt.
@@thegunslinger8806 I was talking about canon, which is still correct. Regardless I’m aware of the legends empire, but even that empire, without a formal conclusion, still hasn’t lasted as long as the republic, which again, lasted thousands of years.
CIS best and favorite SW faction for life, Empire and Republic dogs!
The empire and the CIS are both considered dark sides cuz they are both ruled by the Sith... the galactic republic, the rebel alliance to restore the republic and the resistance are the good guys
I don't mind the rebel alliance but the republic was also ruled by the sith and with total control in mind.
The jedi council was also extremely incompetent to chose the republic, they could remain neutral or at the very least see the tyranny they fought for. (Palpatine made too many decisions hinting his identity)
Dooku was the Sith in control of CIS and yes, he was following Palpatine's orders, but he had his own plans.
He would see the CIS the victors and kill Palpatine, after all he had 2 Apprentices that he attempted to use against him when they where ready. (sad ending for both)
Where it not for the Jedi Dooku and the Separatist would win the war. (we both know that most key engagements between the CIS and Republic where won by the later by EXTREME luck and a Jedi.)
@@fotppd1475 the republic was under the control of the Jedi order but then it was betrayed by a spy of the separatists, which was Palpatine which later became chancellor and overthrew the republic and proclaimed the galactic empire
@@fotppd1475
there is a reason why the galactic republic, the rebel alliance to restore the republic, the new republic and the resistance are considered light side
Meanwhile
The sith empire, the separatists, the galactic empire and the first order are considered dark side
@@fotppd1475 the separatists and the empire are no different from eachother, they both want to destroy the republic…
Only the pro republic supporters are the good guys
Well that sence resemble the Tiananmen square massacre 1984.
That scene with the ATTE’s do be hitting hard
How the first great war started
Love the Imperial AT-TE's
The clones used to be so good, so cool and helpful. Now the Empire had came in and altered their programming, it's sad to see the once beloved soldiers and badasses become like this
The confederation is from the people for the people!
The elite aristocracy for the elite aristocracy
long live the separatists.
And this is what the CIS hated.
All right then. Going to watch the show. Officially convinced.
1:08, ah the American approach
Wasn’t this the same guy who Dooku Force Choked?
Me-mein Kaiser?
‘You will be treated fairly…’
‘Also there’s a new lockdown, stay sheltered in place, resist the thirst for freedom. We’re all in this together.’
Is this guy really trying to make an anti lockdown statement under a fucking Star Wars video?
@@Entropic_Meat_Machine He’s talking about China who have recently locked down a few cities; securing the doors of apartment buildings and houses literally locking citizens inside without the ability to leave unless escorted by a government official. Mass starvation is occurring as a result.
@@evanrogers1825 they don’t care. They’re probably in favor of such draconian and inhumane restrictions. They like SW as a narrative template for their own selves , but will act like there’s no applicable parallels when given counter narratives that expose their own worldview as oppressive.
@@scoutman66 Yes based hahaha
@@Entropic_Meat_Machine Anti covid isn't typical antivax you're being disingenuous by linking the two
"i can no longer condone this unjust occupation" lol i wonder if he thought that when the CIS invaded and destroyed Republic worlds
Separatist Senators within the Parliament were mostly ignorant of the atrocities committed by Dooku, Grievous, and the Separatist Council as the Parliament were more in charge of operations within their own planetary borders and not within the concentration of the war.
And so did the republic against separatist planets even before the proclamation of the empire.
@@CesarusTactus oh no! The evil Republic used military force against rebellious star systems that attacked them!
@@stevenlovejoy6838 I mean technically, the Republic struck first on Geonosis.
@@kingorange7739 because they were breaking the law by seceding and had kidnapped two jedi and a senator, with plans to execute them. Next time don't start a fight if you can't finish it.
the senator's has looks like a freaking can
it would ve helped more to show the empire as an evil faction if the officer had killed the senator in the middle of its speech and he then fell from the balcony, or thats what i think
As I understood it, the Empire was still trying to put on a nice face in the early days. If they started public executions right out of the gate everyone and their sister would of started resisting them.
Remember, Palpatine didn't dissolve the Senate until the Beginning of Episode 4 when the Death Star was coming online. At that point it was pretty much the signal for everyone in the Empire to stop worrying about seeming nice.
@@barbatosmcmurderton4209 well thats true, however as soon as they arrest the senator the people gets mad so that ir didnt really helped their image, or thats what I think idk
@@lasojotas791 Fair enough. However, I believe that while this arrest turned a good chunck of the planet against the Empire, it could have been spun as just having trouble "de-radicalizing a former Separatist world" or some similar nonsense.
Where as if word got out that the Empire publicly executed the elected representative of a world as soon as he expressed disaproval of the Empire's policies, forget the former Separatist worlds, most of the worlds that had stayed loyal to the Republic would start actively resisting as well.
Long live the Separatist alliance!
The Canadian government and the empire have the same playbook.
Man stfu never compare the empire to that stupid nation
I didn't know Julian Bashir was governor
Senator Monocle
Nothing happened at Raxulon Square on Raxus in 19BBY.
oh hey doctor bashir
Many cells, intelligence, fighters and so on from the rebell alliance where actually separatists
Certainly there would be a hindu rajput in the star wars team that's why the monarch is named and spoken in this manner.😅
Dr. Bashir I presume
For the empire. Lock up all traitors to the glory of the empire
Based, call up the imperial death squads!