Jordan Kuhn No, i mean there is no way for Vegeta to not let Cell become perfect ^.^ But i know what you mean, what if Vegeta somehow kills Cell before letting him become Perfect.
Jordan Kuhn Vegeta would've gone super saiyan 2 much later. Goku would still be alive and would go super saiyan 2 much later but would not be able to go super saiyan 3 since the stress on his living body would be too much to sustain the transformation first time (This is why Goku went super saiyan 3 in other world since he was dead). Android 16 would still be alive. Hercule would not be as popular for killing cell apparently. Gohan never would've gone super saiyan 2 as a teen. The majin buu saga would still happen. Gohan would have eventually learned super saiyan 2 after intense training with Goku and Goten. Goten would also have become super saiyan much quicker with Goku's presence. Gohan would've killed Dabura since he would've trained in the 7 year gap because of Goku. This means that Vegeta could've killed Babidi and Buu before he could've even hatched since barely any energy at all would be supplied to Buu for it to hatch.
I have a thought, it shouldn't change too much, but wouldn't Piccolo train intensely the whole time just because he would be the main protector of earth? Since Piccolo has been developing protective traits, especially towards Gohan it would make sense that he would not only take Gohan after Goku died, but also train intensely with Gohan the whole time. That makes me think that Gohan would grow stronger much faster then when Goku was around because he wouldn't let Chi-Chi get in the way. Also, you forgot Fortune Teller Baba's ability to bring people back from the dead for a day. How would that factor into it? Could that be used to bring a Namakian back to Teach Piccolo how to make new dragon balls for sure?
john98765333 I agree, although I don't think Chi Chi would be a problem if Gohan stood his ground and told her he needs to do this for the safety of Earth and the people he loves. It worked when he told her he was going to Namek.
Piccolo knows how to create Dragon balls, Kami already made them and after fusing with Kami they became a new being with both Kami and Piccolo memories as shown when he talked to Popo as an old friend and still knew things Piccolo knew. In fact, since Piccolo would be stronger than Guru, Kami, and Dende; his dragon balls should be much stronger than there's and being able to not only have 2 wishes but being able to bring people who died before isn't out of the from of possibilities. A hard point to beat is that earth dragon balls can't even revive the Namekis since they all were already wished back but reviving Guru is a maybe since he did die but was revived indirectly from a wish.
Gilbert Keys Although it seems like an interesting question at first, I'm pretty sure if Krillin had killed Freeza as suggested, absolutely nothing would be different from the events described in the video, except that Krillin would have a little more bragging rights. Everything else would have been the same.
That is interesting. I wonder what would have happened if after Raditz was killed, Piccolo disolved his friendship with the Z Fighters and went through with making Gohan fight for evil.
sonicadvanced But technically he would have whether he still wanted to or not. After all the Nameless Namekian split himself in the first place to be able to take the position of Guardian. Kami as the good half was the one who was allowed to take the job and King Piccolo as the evil half got pissed and became jealous so he just decided to take the world by force. Now that the complete Piccolo, as the Nameless Namekian originally wanted, is the Guardian his goal is achieved.
picolo had a chance till frieza went 100% when picolos last resort attack didn't even knock him out he could've beat third form if he charged special beam cannon while that form was transforming once dende healed him he was a bit stronger than vegeta as well
Piccolo being the strongest? I give my full support! I mean some of the stuff that happens I wouldn't like too much, like no Android 18. Even if Piccolo wasn't the strongest, I mean I just think his power is over looked and everything so yea.
TheSSJEnder In the present? Well it would follow the original and the trunks timeline in which Goku killed them. Remember goku killed frieza and king cold originally
Qaamans Land Maybe androids, Unseen timeline cell coming to his timeline, IDK, this is a what if moment. I could ask what would cause piccolo to kill 2nd form cell. Or why would the spirit bomb kill frieza if it wasn;t strong enough I the original timeline. It is just a what if moment so idk
TheSSJEnder For me to do a what if I have to have a realistic or alternative event that could have truly taken place that would affect the series. For instance, What If krillin killed vegeta is a very realistic topic as it is something that could have truly happened.
what i like about this is that it's very accurate to what would probably happen according to the manga and anime, instead of the author of the video just coming up with anything that sounds cool, which happens with most of these what if videos
More importantly, why didn't krillin kill frieza after using the solar flare. he already proved that his kienzan could harm frieza. So why did they not have frieza get cut in half by krillin?
Qaamans Land Here are some things I hope you cover. 1: what if Goku tried to finish off Perfect Cell on his own, without bringing Gohan in. 2: what if Trunks somehow turned Super Saiyan before Gohan died and then they fought the androids. 3: what would have happened if Vegeta didn't turn into a great ape in his fight against Goku? 4: what if Krillin killed Vegeta on earth, with Yajirobe's sword 5: what if Goku never had the heart virus and was able to help fight the androids? 6: what if Krillin accidentally killed Vegeta on Namek when he blew a hole in his chest?
1. He would become his assj and most likely gohan would get angry, but not angry enough to become ssj2, but would rush into battle. 2.in the manga he did. And lost. And gohan died. The end 3.Vegeta would most likely lose quicker and goku wouldn't get as many injury's. 4.Trunks would never be born, vegeta would never get goku to fight as hard as he did, gohan would and krillin would die to guldo, etc. 5. He already made a video on that. 6.Well, it would suck for vegeta's pride, piccolo would die against frieza, trunks would never be born(or normal trunks) and a variant of trunks when hr is full human would be born. If this is future trunks, he would train as hard as he did.
TheSSJEnder 1. I didn't get it. 2. I think he meant that happening in the Future Trunks special. 3. Yep. 4. Frieza would probably not even call the Giniuy Force. 5. Same as the 3rd one and the 4th one. 6. Pretty much.
I really like this video because you thought about everything. The fact that you took Android 16 and Cell out of the equation because Goku had died like he was supposed to was a good move. Anyways, you have a great mind for these what-if videos and I'm happy you've taken the time to make them. Keep it up, Qaaman! :D
I always thought about this topic. Perhapsingly Piccolo would have been king shit on the street and Vegetard would be foucusing his power towards destorying Picklchode instead of Gayku because Friezar enslaved the Saiyans for like 185198519658148975641986541658941 years so Vegetard would get mad that he didn't get to kill Friezar and Picklchode would've taken the the throne of big booty bitches (CHICHI & Oolong)
***** He probably would've been a vegetable(ha) because Goku broke his spine real good. If Vegeta had a completely out of character moment after the battle was over then he might bring Nappa to a healing pod and he would get a Zenkai. It's hard to say what would happen after that. He would probably get killed by the Ginyu Force or Frieza. But I don't see Vegeta being merciful enough to let him live.
Z33NY Yeah he stayed useful up into the Android saga and only got left behind when Cell absorbed an android and the Saiyans came out of the time chamber.
Goku would see everybody dead and go SSJ, kill Frieza, and die from the heart virus. With Trunks never existing, Bulma would need to go back in time and save Goku. With only Chi-Chi occupying his time, Goku would have a high amount time to train but since Android 19 appeared the day Goku got the heart attack and there would be no Vegeta to save the day. Goku would die and since he would have no need to awaken 17 and 18, Dr.Gero would take over earth and most likely stop Cell's development.
Good video--well thought out and informative! I've always been a sucker for these "What if?" scenarios. I'd like to try to think of some, although I wouldn't be surprised if others had asked or tackled these questions before. 1. What if King Vegeta had become a Super Saiyain (prior to his planet being destroyed by Freeza)? 2. What if Nappa had killed Gohan before Goku arrived? 3. What if Cell had simply eliminated the Z-Fighters upon reaching perfection (no Cell Games)? 4. What if Goku's mind-altering injury as a baby did not happen? Or, conversely, what if it had been fatal? 5. What if Goku had been given a senzu bean directly after his first fight with Vegeta, instead of convalescing in the hospital for weeks? 6. What if Goku had survived the battle with Radditz and Piccolo had died, instead of the other way around? 7. What if Dr. Briefs, and not Dr. Gero, was recruited by the Red Ribbon Army? The answers to a few of these kind of jump out at me (In #6, for instance, it would probably mean the Saiyans wouldn't have come to Earth, making what happens between then and the arrival of the Androids/Cell paramount), but I'd like to hear the opinions of the experts as well!
Awesome video! I like how detailed your footage is and how high quality your videos are. Nice topic, nice video, keep up the great work can't wait to see more of your videos without you I wouldn't be making videos today.
I've really enjoyed following your train of thoughts on this topic and I must say that I like the what-if scenario with a timeline revolving entirely on Piccolo ... things would have probably not escalated that much as you pointed out, being him much more reliable and straight-forward thinking than the sayians!
great video, haven't watched your videos in a while and I immediately noticed your better sound quality and this awesome style with the cinema, looks really great :D
Great video as always. Enjoyed this topic on piccolo as he is quite an overlooked power player in dbz and its great to have another insight into his character.
Good analysis. Very good coverage on facts that I myself would forget, such as Picollo fighting the weaker androids due to Trunks not butterfly effecting everything.
I'm betting Piccolo would fight Vegeta, but not kill him. Piccolo has changed so much and took a lot of teaching from Goku, gohan, and of course the influence of Nail. He would defeat Vegeta, but not kill Vegeta.
I always find myself intensely interested in these what if scenarios since it makes the story unfolding in circumstances we're not used to thinking about, as if the story was progressing the wrong way and the Z fighters were just surviving through the most miniscule of hopes for their abilities to survive each threat that comes. It's like the past and future connecting together, with the past having a dangerous cloud over their heads at all times simply because it meant their doom being written down the moment things didn't turn out the way it was supposed to. How small a change and such great an impact. Listening to your story, I (as always) was desperately hoping beyond hope that the Z fighters would survive and yet....it couldn't be so. It's always the Buu saga that breaks the backs of everyone and it irritates me each and every time.....makes me sad actually when I hear it. Fantastic video and I've got another one for you. Do: What if Cell became a good guy? Just a thought for talk really. Or how would Gohan dealing with the Majin Vegeta saga with Goku dead would work?
Good stuff Qaaman! I like your interpretations of the "what if" scenarios. I would like to know your opinion on why did eye beams end at the frieza saga? It seems like a useful technique but perhaps im wrong.
I have one thing to say. What if he didn't kill vegeta because krillin and gohan talked him out of it? The reason why is because he saved their lives on multiple occasions and would say he changed. And what would happen then? Because piccolo wouldn't fuse with kami until after the fight with the androids or in the 3 year time span. And vegeta, goku, and gohan could eventually learn super saiyan because of the future timeline.
Actually, I think Kami and Piccolo would have only fused as a last resort; Like, Everyone is dead and King Cold is about to blow the planet up. I think Goku would have gone Super Saiyan during THAT fight, and ultimately overpowered Cold. After that, he would have died from the heart virus, and we would have spiraled down into bad end.
Woah wait what. Usually Qaamans Land videos sound like shit but this has REALLY good audio and your voice sounds so good. Better mic I guess? Good investment. It's really made your content improve a lot.
Qaaman, I really enjoy your videos and I have an interesting one of my own. What if the Z Fighters confronted Mr. Satan after he took credit for the Cell Games? How would things change and how would characters develop differently if the truth was revealed?
Glanced at the name of this video... Thought it was just click bait. Checked it out and was pleasantly surprised to see a thoughtful and intriguing piece. Very well done!
Hey Quaaman, first of all, thanks for your good work all the time, your videos are great! Than, i have a Question: What had happend, if Vegeta became his Wish for immortality granted? i mean, it was a short time periot and polunga was already at work, to forfill this wish...? Thanks!
I really enjoyed this piece and thought it was well reasoned, it is also nice to know I'm not the only one who uses that particular guide, though with it in mind and Gohan's lack of passion for fighting I'm not sure he'd end up as the strongest or even necessarily second strongest without strong motivation.
First awesome. Second, and I hope you'll make a video about either one of these… What if the Jeeta had become a false super saying is fight with Freiza in his final form like go today when he followed slug? Or what if gold who had transformed into a super saying earlier in his fight with Freiza during that point in time where he thought freezer with a 20 times Kaio Ken?
John Brian Catedrilla That's completely true in a static timeline. However, DBZ already proved their version of time travel works on some sort of "multi-dimensional/multi-verse" logic.
It would cut him in half, but remember how 2nd Form Frieza got his tail cut off? I think if he was cut in half he would just transform and be all fixed up.
John Porteous Does the Kienzan even cut through anything? a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/16-235.0/compressed/p006.jpg If it does, why does Krillin specifically try to aim for Vegeta's tail.
I personally think that since Piccolo is smart enough to know when he's outmatched that he would go after Babidi while asking the others to cover him. Babidi would be killed and Dabura would be free from the mind-control. It's a slim chance he would be able to reach Babidi either way. But with Dragon Ball Super stating that Future Trunks was able to beat Dabura with minimal help from Supreme Kai,I believe Gohan,if he was able to go Super Saiyan,would be able to hold his own against Dabura with the help of Krillin and the others. Also adding in if Piccolo was killed by Dabura Gohan would most likely go into rage and unlock his Super Saiyan 2 form due to his connection with Piccolo and I do think Gohan would be able to defeat him. (I would also add in Goku returning to Earth for the tournament and how he would assist in the fight but this has all ready become lengthy as it is.)
Quaaman, I guess you already read DB Minus. But did you read Jaco the Galaxy Patrolman? It features Bulma's older sister Tights, and it explains that Saiyajins don't grow up during their childhood until they become adults. It would explain why Goku looked like a kid when he was 15 or why Goten and Trunks didn't grew up in BoG. Since Gohan, Goten and Trunks are half-Saiyajins, the aging process might work different for them, as Gohan clearly aged during his childhood. And Trunks might got his growth spurt with 14, since he looked like he's 8 years old when he was already 13.
TIMELINE 1 Corrections: 4:44 - I believe the new Grand Elder & Dende at least & maybe some other Namekians would escape onto a space ship just before Namek blew up & they would head straight for Earth. I say this because it originally took at least an hour for Namek to blow up once Frieza destroyed the core. Also, Frieza did mention to Goku that Goku could've escaped undetected during the struggle rather then continue to fight but Goku no don't refused cause he wasn't afraid. This implies that some Namekians could escape King Cold's Wrath! If they did then King Cold would not be delayed in his arrival on Earth if he had detected the escapees. Even though he could destroy them in space, he would decide to pursue them & he would discover Earth that way. King Kai would still inform the Z-Fighters about King Cold's approach but I believe King Cold would show up sooner then he originally did if he pursued the New Grand Elder in space. This would put an even further strain on the Z-fighters since King Cold would be showing up faster then expected, I would say AGE 764 but 1 month later since the Namekian Star Cruiser would take 1 month to travel from Namek to Earth. So far everything else you said checks out until 7:14. Why? Because they would be able to restore the Dragon Balls in Timeline 1 since Dende & the New Grand Elder fled to Earth with their Dragon Balls. Dende would revitalise the Earth Dragon Balls & become Earth's new guardian! Namek would be restored & the dead Namekians revived due to Porunga being alive. Everything pretty much checks out exactly how you said it would after that up till the Buu Saga. Babidi & his henchmen would still come to Earth because Buu's cocoon was on the planet & they needed to collect him before unleashing him. They would use the Tournament as a way to gather energy just like in the original series but this time it's Piccolo that would be impaled rather than Gohan because Gohan would've only been a SS1 & much weaker & Piccolo was the 1 who killed both Androids 17 & 18! Gohan might've helped but then again Chi-Chi might prevent him from fighting/training & Piccolo wouldn't need him anyway. Gohan would be a fighter in the Buu Saga though because of the Tournament. So Gohan, Krillin, Tien & Chaotsu would follow Kabito to Babidi's ship while Piccolo & Kaioshin are close behind. Yes, it was Kaioshin that stayed & healed Piccolo rather than Kabito since Piccolo fought Kaioshin in the Tournament. Nobody would've cared much if Piccolo was stabbed instead of Gohan so nobody would try to rush out to save him. Videl would win the Tournament for the record. Dabura would turn Krillin & someone other than Piccolo to stone. I would guess Chaotsu since he would be worthless anyway. Who fights against Pui-Pui? I would say Tien because he was the weakest of the 3 Z-Fighters who went inside. Tien would win though & then they fight Yakon, this time it's Gohan's turn because we know he wouldn't stand a chance against Dabura. He kills Yakon in the same way Goku did & then we cut to the fight with Dabura. Piccolo would take him on since he's the strongest of the 3 & cause he hates Dabura the most! He would win unless Babidi detected the former evil inside him & turned him into Majin Piccolo! Tien would fight Majin Piccolo due to them being at odds in Dragon Ball. This leaves Gohan with Kaioshin to fight Babidi & Dabura! In either divergence, both Babidi & Dabura are killed by Piccolo in the 1st & Kaioshin in the 2nd. Buu would never hatch & his cocoon would be captured by the Kais. Then we go to either Super Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball GT! Super Dragon Ball: Starting with Battle of Gods, Beerus would awaken only to discover Goku & Vegeta are dead & the only Saiyan left is Gohan. He would fall under the belief that Gohan would be the Super Saiyan God that he dreamed of & would challenge Gohan. But let's say Yamcha persuaded him (due to King Kai warning him of Beerus since Yamcha would marry Bulma since Vegeta is dead) to kick back & enjoy the Bulma's party. Since Majin Buu doesn't exist, Beerus wouldn't destroy the Earth but wouldn't be friends with the Z-Fighters either for boring him. Frieza's Resurrection would still happen but unless Piccolo & Gohan got much stronger, the Earth is doomed! Frieza would be disappointed to find out that Goku & Vegeta are dead already & would then exact his revenge mainly on Gohan for being a Super Saiyan, the last of them all in fact besides Pan. It wouldn't matter if Beerus showed up & saved the remaining Z-Fighters from Earth's destruction since they wouldn't be able to stop frieza anyway! If they did then I don't know what happens next since I didn't watch the show yet. Dragon Ball GT: I doubt the Z-fighters would go into space to collect the Black Star Dragon Balls since the negative energy wouldn't be enough to unleash the Shadow Dragons since the Red Star Balls were used less. Even if they still went into space, who would go after the Balls with Pan? Not Trunks since he wouldn't be a saiyan while Goku is still dead & Piccolo or Tien might not be interested. Gohan would be too busy & weak & so the only person I could think of is Krillin except he's too old. Not to mention, Pilaf wouldn't screw up his wish with Black Star Balls since Goku is dead. I didn't really watch the show because I gave up on it when it was new. So if Piccolo beat the Androids originally, then either Earth is destroyed or there is World Peace in the end depending on which show happened but since we know GT is non-canon, then Earth is screwed big time! But Let's Assume Piccolo fought & died against the Androids, This would mean Krillan or Yamcha would fight next since Krillan was the 1st Z-fighter to fight them after Piccolo & Vegeta in GFT but Yamcha was the 1st after Piccolo & Vegeta in the HOT movie. Also, Yamcha was the 1st to find the Androids in Timelines 2 & 4 in the original anime/manga & nearly died because of it! So my guess is that Yamcha fought them 1st after Piccolo's death in this alternate Timeline 1 & he ended up dead! But it doesn't matter which of the 2 fights 1st for they'll both die. The question is, who fought next? I would say Tien would because he fought right after Yamcha in the HOT special even though he fought before Yamcha in GFT. He would die also along with Chaotsu & then Krillin would finally meet his end along with Yadrobi. So Gohan would go back to the past in the time machine! TIMELINE 2: Future Gohan would travel to the unseen timeline all the way to the point King Cold arrived on Earth! His presence would prevent Piccolo from fusing with Kami & thus Future Gohan either killed King Cold by himself or with help from Goku & Piccolo. Let's say he did it with their help & so Goku would turn Super Saiyan in the fight with King Cold & so Future Gohan wouldn't have to teach him to become a Super Saiyan. Future Gohan would give Goku the medicine & then returns to the future. The 3 year gap expires & the Z-Fighters come across Androids 19 & 20. Future Gohan would show up & save Goku from Android 19, Android 19 would die easily & then Piccolo would hunt down Android 20 for zapping him! Android 20 unleashes 16, 17 & 18 & is killed by them afterwards, the Z-Fighters then fight the 3 Androids but end up losing. They would then go to the hyperbolic time chamber & train there for 1 day, I would say Piccolo & Future Gohan would go in 1st & together for the record. The 2 of them would then exit & fight the 3 Androids while Krillin & Tien went in next. Piccolo would fight Android 17 while Future Gohan would fight Android 18 while Android 16 would just stand & watch. Both Androids would be destroyed & it's possible Android 16 might beg them to allow him to fight Goku once he healed from the Heart Virus, but I doubt they would spare him especially Future Gohan. So then once he recovers, Goku would take Kid Gohan into the Time Chamber to train! Future Gohan returns back to Timeline 1 & would destroy the Androids there. H would then plan a trip to Timeline 3 to prevent Gero from unleashing the Androids before they were finished being programmed. But Cell kills him & steals the machine & he goes to Timeline 3 instead. TIMELINE 3: Everything would happen exactly like it did in Timeline 1 excepting for Piccolo beating the Androids the 1st time of course. Only Future Cell makes a slight difference. According to Xenoverse, Future Cell was actually present at the 1st battle between the Androids & Future Trunks but watch from a distance. I would say he would interrupt a fight between Future Gohan & the Androids in an attempt to absorb them. He would absorb the Androids & become Perfect Cell but Future Gohan escapes. He then goes into the Time Machine & Time Travel to Timeline 4!
Great video Qaaman. I just want to point out a couple of things. First and foremost I agree with your logical levels of power throughout the arcs. Now I wanted to talk about Gohan since you seemed to leave him out a bit. What would his attitude be? And assuming he would train with Piccolo (as I'm sure he would), how strong do you think he would be? I think he would have achieved ssj1 indeed since it would come from his desire to put a stop to the android threat, plus he would have a greater drive than previously because of his father's death. Would he be stronger than Piccolo at this point? And do you think that both he and Piccolo would have trained a lot under these circumstances post android battle? It's just how Gohan would have turned out that would have made things change a lot during the Buu saga. I honestly think their would be a great enough amount of energy for Babidi to come there and whether they succeeded or not would pretty much depend on Gohan's strength and ability to turn into a ssj2. I think that given his hidden power, Gohan MIGHT have done it but he might just as well not as well. Dabura would be the deal breaker when it comes to the survival of the Z fighters. Buu wouldn't have been revived, but it wouldn't matter really.
Would you ever consider doing a what if vid on this scenario? Originally (not sure if this is true or just a fan myth) Toriyama wanted Piccolo to fall under babidis control and battle Goku instead of Vegeta. It was changed after his editor told him how badly fans wanted a Goku Vegeta rematch. What do you think would have happened if Toriyamas original plan went through and Vegeta was turned to stone while Piccolo went with Goku and Gohan into the Babidis ship?
Omar Kabba Yeah, man if old kai unlocked his hidden potential after 7 years of training, and kept training until Revival of F!;Good GAWD ALMIGHTY!(JR's voice)!
Great episode I have an interesting What If. What if Goku was late to namik and Recoome killed Gohan how would that effect the namik saga and the series as a whole.
First off, Great Video! I love the what if appeal of these Dragonball videos, but being the DBZ nerd that I am, there's always something I feel I must ask. I think this scenario is really well thought out, but the only issue I have with this is the assumed Powerlevel of King Cold. People tend to play it as if King Cold's power is superior to Frieza or Cooler which (maybe I'm wrong) but there's no clear indication that Cold is that powerful. Being that Frieza was at the forefront of the Cold empire due to his ability to transform and multiply is base powerlevel, I assume Cold couldn't do so. Its even stated by Cooler (I know, its a movie and not canon) that Frieza was stronger than himself until he discovered the last transformation. So I assume that as a father he would pursue the Z fighters, but being that his power isn't as great as his youngest son (and add in the fact that he's acting out of revenge and anger) he would just do what he had suggested to Frieza and just blow up Earth from the space! Now lets say that King Kai somehow figured this out and warned the Z fighters.. The fight would take to the air (no quiet out of earth's atmosphere, being that the z fighter's cant breathe in outer space) and either they would try to destroy the ship before it got in close range or they'd wait and try to deflect the blast from King Cold, causing him to have to engage in actual melee. *Please respond and let me know what you think, if there's anything that i'm confused about please correct me. And thanks for the entertaining videos!*
Great video Qaaman, just one problem. Wouldn't it be more likely for Goku to have goten? I mean, they would have more time to "Get it on" because Goku wouldn't have ever gone to Yaardrat. And when Goten grew up he would probably be trained by piccolo or a different z fighter because chi-chi wouldn't strive so much for him to be a scholar because of Goku's death. Also, what about Yamcha and Bulma, do you think that they would have any children together?
This video shows how much potential piccolo could've had if they hadn't pushed him to the side later on. piccolo is on my top 3 favorites and I would've like to see him rise as much as other person would've loved to see vegeta rise to the top as well. all in all, great theory and good points on how the outcome could've happen.
Small thing to add... when future Trunks fight the androids in the main timeline, he said that the androids from his timeline were quite weaker... After the discovery of the time machine and cell's cocoon they made the hypothesis that the coming of cell in the past changed the events and made the androids way stronger. So after the fusion with Kami, Piccolo would most probably have been able to beat the androids without the need of training in the hyperbolic time chamber
I got an theory idea/question: What if the other dead Z Fighters, including Piccolo, managed to learn Kaioken and/or Spirit Bomb from King Kai before Gohan, Krillin and Dende wished for Piccolo to come back to life during the Namek Saga?
Magnificent analysis, there's just a detail I'm not certain about. I watched the latin american version and when Piccolo was about to fuse with Nail, Nail said he would make no influence on Piccolo, he would just become power for him. Was it like that in the manga and english versions?
This was one of your best "what if" segments yet. Good job qaaman
Hey Ik you
This is actually one of the best What If outcomes of them all given how many usually end up in disaster.
Nice video, man. This definitely was an interesting topic to say.
Niitro Thanks bro
Qaamans Land I got two questions what if super sayian 3 Goku killed fat making buu ? And How did Goku catch the heart virus ?
Qaamans Land what about dende couldn't he make the new dragon balls
Dunia Gomez well nothing goku goes back to the other world the end
HaloZer0 (AMVs) Remember, King Cold would blow up Namek
The Piccolo timeline. He becomes the main character. I like it.
when piccolo told vegeta to shut up that was a thug life
Ah, piccolo. Such a great tactical mind that he can recognize vegeta was destined to fuck up.
What if vegeta killed 2nd form cell and never gave him the chance to absorb 18?
Jordan Kuhn
He would be dead :D
Ah, but im saying what would be the after affects of him killing cell is more what I want to know, or his thoughts at least
Jordan Kuhn
No, i mean there is no way for Vegeta to not let Cell become perfect ^.^ But i know what you mean, what if Vegeta somehow kills Cell before letting him become Perfect.
Jordan Kuhn Vegeta would've gone super saiyan 2 much later. Goku would still be alive and would go super saiyan 2 much later but would not be able to go super saiyan 3 since the stress on his living body would be too much to sustain the transformation first time (This is why Goku went super saiyan 3 in other world since he was dead).
Android 16 would still be alive. Hercule would not be as popular for killing cell apparently. Gohan never would've gone super saiyan 2 as a teen.
The majin buu saga would still happen. Gohan would have eventually learned super saiyan 2 after intense training with Goku and Goten. Goten would also have become super saiyan much quicker with Goku's presence.
Gohan would've killed Dabura since he would've trained in the 7 year gap because of Goku. This means that Vegeta could've killed Babidi and Buu before he could've even hatched since barely any energy at all would be supplied to Buu for it to hatch.
Tesla_Ray_Gun21 I don't think Gohan would learn SSJ2 without some kind of traumatic event. It took a lot for him to draw that out.
This is Qaaman's Dream, For Piccolo to be the Main Character LOL
+Trevor Williams Actually is an important character due that he is the protector of the dragon balls
agreed, look how long this video is compared to others :P haha
as a piccolo fan this sounds amazing
I have a thought, it shouldn't change too much, but wouldn't Piccolo train intensely the whole time just because he would be the main protector of earth? Since Piccolo has been developing protective traits, especially towards Gohan it would make sense that he would not only take Gohan after Goku died, but also train intensely with Gohan the whole time. That makes me think that Gohan would grow stronger much faster then when Goku was around because he wouldn't let Chi-Chi get in the way. Also, you forgot Fortune Teller Baba's ability to bring people back from the dead for a day. How would that factor into it? Could that be used to bring a Namakian back to Teach Piccolo how to make new dragon balls for sure?
john98765333 Abusing Baba's power makes things interesting. Like, oh saaaaaaay, bringing back Mega Ultra God Kami Guru for a day.
DarthBobCat ha
john98765333 I agree, although I don't think Chi Chi would be a problem if Gohan stood his ground and told her he needs to do this for the safety of Earth and the people he loves. It worked when he told her he was going to Namek.
Piccolo knows how to create Dragon balls, Kami already made them and after fusing with Kami they became a new being with both Kami and Piccolo memories as shown when he talked to Popo as an old friend and still knew things Piccolo knew. In fact, since Piccolo would be stronger than Guru, Kami, and Dende; his dragon balls should be much stronger than there's and being able to not only have 2 wishes but being able to bring people who died before isn't out of the from of possibilities.
A hard point to beat is that earth dragon balls can't even revive the Namekis since they all were already wished back but reviving Guru is a maybe since he did die but was revived indirectly from a wish.
john98765333 True, Gohan would also be more ruthless training with Piccolo.
What if Goku and Vegeta stayed as Vegito?
Or
What if Krillin killed Frieza with Kienzan?
look up dragonball multiverse they have a section on vegito as his own person
Gilbert Keys I like these ideas.
Gilbert Keys instead of cutting his tail, he cut of his torso a good topic main good shizzle nizzle
Gilbert Keys Although it seems like an interesting question at first, I'm pretty sure if Krillin had killed Freeza as suggested, absolutely nothing would be different from the events described in the video, except that Krillin would have a little more bragging rights. Everything else would have been the same.
Gilbert Keys Goku and Vegeta staying as Vegito = constant threesomes with Chi Chi & Bulma
anyone else hear him say king piccolo?
Yeah lol at 6:43
and after all of that Piccolo would finally take over the world........Or would that desire still disappear for no god damn reason
Actually, no, he changed thanks to Gohan, he would just want to be Goku's rival
That is interesting. I wonder what would have happened if after Raditz was killed, Piccolo disolved his friendship with the Z Fighters and went through with making Gohan fight for evil.
sonicadvanced But technically he would have whether he still wanted to or not. After all the Nameless Namekian split himself in the first place to be able to take the position of Guardian. Kami as the good half was the one who was allowed to take the job and King Piccolo as the evil half got pissed and became jealous so he just decided to take the world by force. Now that the complete Piccolo, as the Nameless Namekian originally wanted, is the Guardian his goal is achieved.
Sigh....gohans kindness is what changed piccolo I mean this is basic. He grew fond of him, befriended him (and the other z fighters).
its amazing how many people fail to see i meant this as a joke
damn it woulda been better if this happened
picolo had a chance till frieza went 100% when picolos last resort attack didn't even knock him out
he could've beat third form if he charged special beam cannon while that form was transforming
once dende healed him he was a bit stronger than vegeta as well
Piccolo being the strongest? I give my full support! I mean some of the stuff that happens I wouldn't like too much, like no Android 18. Even if Piccolo wasn't the strongest, I mean I just think his power is over looked and everything so yea.
I have a question, what if Trunks didn't show up to fight frieza
TheSSJEnder In the present? Well it would follow the original and the trunks timeline in which Goku killed them. Remember goku killed frieza and king cold originally
Qaamans Land True, but remember trunks would still time travel making effects that would change things before he got there(Ex: Android 16, 19)
TheSSJEnder But what do you mean by not showing up? What would cause him not to come?
Qaamans Land Maybe androids, Unseen timeline cell coming to his timeline, IDK, this is a what if moment. I could ask what would cause piccolo to kill 2nd form cell. Or why would the spirit bomb kill frieza if it wasn;t strong enough I the original timeline. It is just a what if moment so idk
TheSSJEnder For me to do a what if I have to have a realistic or alternative event that could have truly taken place that would affect the series. For instance, What If krillin killed vegeta is a very realistic topic as it is something that could have truly happened.
what i like about this is that it's very accurate to what would probably happen according to the manga and anime, instead of the author of the video just coming up with anything that sounds cool, which happens with most of these what if videos
This is technicaly a good outcome unless Zeno erases all universes which i don't think he would remember and aside of that ultimatum this is peace
@SFEX七瀬 it's Canon, and not debatable
@SFEX七瀬 dB and dbz are still cannon, dbs is the cannon continuation If you don't like super it's fine but it's cannon
@SFEX七瀬 ohh i get it, i thougth you were saying DB super in general Isnt canon, my bad and so sorry
@SFEX七瀬 i watched the video and... it was like reading a closed book, Sorry but Super continuity it's still canon and it's still a thing
@SFEX七瀬 same thing, go ahead and think it's not canon ALL you want, even with ALL the proof it's presented
This video could also be called: Why to many super saiyans on one planet are a walking jinx.
Thanks, Qaaman! You're what if videos are always awesome!
the show would have been way less ridiculous and pretty interesting this way.
More importantly, why didn't krillin kill frieza after using the solar flare. he already proved that his kienzan could harm frieza. So why did they not have frieza get cut in half by krillin?
EXACTLY
Matthew Watson He forgot to (TFS)
I know, but if he remembered instead of goku being set up to kill the bad guy everytime. Krillin would have killed frieza.
Matthew Watson Bruh, if Krillin killed Freeza that'd be the greatest plot twist ever
Nash Doyle while he was blind and not one who can sense energy?
Qaamans Land
Here are some things I hope you cover.
1: what if Goku tried to finish off Perfect Cell on his own, without bringing Gohan in.
2: what if Trunks somehow turned Super Saiyan before Gohan died and then they
fought the androids.
3: what would have happened if Vegeta didn't turn into a great ape in his fight against Goku?
4: what if Krillin killed Vegeta on earth, with Yajirobe's sword
5: what if Goku never had the heart virus and was able to help fight the androids?
6: what if Krillin accidentally killed Vegeta on Namek when he blew a hole in his chest?
Armin Arlert THESE IDEAS ARE AAAWEEESHUUUM!!!!!!!!!!
Armin Arlert he already did the 3rd one and the 5th one
John Zhou He did 4th too.
1. He would become his assj and most likely gohan would get angry, but not angry enough to become ssj2, but would rush into battle.
2.in the manga he did. And lost. And gohan died. The end
3.Vegeta would most likely lose quicker and goku wouldn't get as many injury's.
4.Trunks would never be born, vegeta would never get goku to fight as hard as he did, gohan would and krillin would die to guldo, etc.
5. He already made a video on that.
6.Well, it would suck for vegeta's pride, piccolo would die against frieza, trunks would never be born(or normal trunks) and a variant of trunks when hr is full human would be born. If this is future trunks, he would train as hard as he did.
TheSSJEnder 1. I didn't get it.
2. I think he meant that happening in the Future Trunks special.
3. Yep.
4. Frieza would probably not even call the Giniuy Force.
5. Same as the 3rd one and the 4th one.
6. Pretty much.
I really like this video because you thought about everything. The fact that you took Android 16 and Cell out of the equation because Goku had died like he was supposed to was a good move. Anyways, you have a great mind for these what-if videos and I'm happy you've taken the time to make them. Keep it up, Qaaman! :D
Love your videos Qaaman. You have the best 'What If' narrations on TH-cam and leave no stones unturned. Follower for life right here.
I always thought about this topic. Perhapsingly Piccolo would have been king shit on the street and Vegetard would be foucusing his power towards destorying Picklchode instead of Gayku because Friezar enslaved the Saiyans for like 185198519658148975641986541658941 years so Vegetard would get mad that he didn't get to kill Friezar and Picklchode would've taken the the throne of big booty bitches (CHICHI & Oolong)
Good video though +Qaa12
Picklchode 😂😂😂
tybee hurst ;)
But with one zenkai boost vegeta would have been stronger than piccolo
OdiseusPrime after 1 year when goku came b, piccolo and vegeta were almost the same at power
What if Vegeta never killed Nappa?
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TFS would've been happy.
***** Impossible, he would have killed him no matter what
***** He probably would've been a vegetable(ha) because Goku broke his spine real good. If Vegeta had a completely out of character moment after the battle was over then he might bring Nappa to a healing pod and he would get a Zenkai. It's hard to say what would happen after that. He would probably get killed by the Ginyu Force or Frieza. But I don't see Vegeta being merciful enough to let him live.
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I think you watch too much TeamFourStar
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Dude, if he didn't kill Nappa, Nappa wouldn't be a Hollywood Star!
Man Piccolo just fell hard after the frieza saga
Urabe Mikoto nah man he held his own for a while after that. It wasnt until second form cell that he became kinda useless
Z33NY Yeah he stayed useful up into the Android saga and only got left behind when Cell absorbed an android and the Saiyans came out of the time chamber.
Vote Bernie Sanders 2016 Like the name
After the Android/Cell saga you mean?
Urabe Mikoto ummm did u not see him take on cell? andriod 17??
These are hands down your best videos so please make more!
I thought the Super Sonic Warriors, Piccolo What ifs story was how this woulda been taken.
Title of the video: What if Piccolo killed Frieza in his second form?
How I read it: What killed Frieza if in his Piccolo second form?
Left to right?
@@qaamansland
yeah...
What if Freeza killed everyone in his 3rd form?
Donovan Levine everyone would die like they did in trunks timeline, except trunks would not be there.
Goku would see everybody dead and go SSJ, kill Frieza, and die from the heart virus.
With Trunks never existing, Bulma would need to go back in time and save Goku. With only Chi-Chi occupying his time, Goku would have a high amount time to train but since Android 19 appeared the day Goku got the heart attack and there would be no Vegeta to save the day. Goku would die and since he would have no need to awaken 17 and 18, Dr.Gero would take over earth and most likely stop Cell's development.
This is stupid, Piccolo would have no need to fuse with kami to beat king cold
The whole video is stupid because you disagreed with one opinion?
Kobil Shakur Are you sure? Piccolo said himself that they stood no chance against freiza and his father without goku's help. Luckily trunks showed up.
Qaamans Land He was scared because frieza was already in his final form, and second form king cold alone would wayyyy easier
its only a theory that he was in his second form not a fact
Qaamans Land We can clearly see it though
Very interesting. This is one of your BEST "what ifs" by far Quaaman. Good question by DBnation.
Good video--well thought out and informative! I've always been a sucker for these "What if?" scenarios. I'd like to try to think of some, although I wouldn't be surprised if others had asked or tackled these questions before.
1. What if King Vegeta had become a Super Saiyain (prior to his planet being destroyed by Freeza)?
2. What if Nappa had killed Gohan before Goku arrived?
3. What if Cell had simply eliminated the Z-Fighters upon reaching perfection (no Cell Games)?
4. What if Goku's mind-altering injury as a baby did not happen? Or, conversely, what if it had been fatal?
5. What if Goku had been given a senzu bean directly after his first fight with Vegeta, instead of convalescing in the hospital for weeks?
6. What if Goku had survived the battle with Radditz and Piccolo had died, instead of the other way around?
7. What if Dr. Briefs, and not Dr. Gero, was recruited by the Red Ribbon Army?
The answers to a few of these kind of jump out at me (In #6, for instance, it would probably mean the Saiyans wouldn't have come to Earth, making what happens between then and the arrival of the Androids/Cell paramount), but I'd like to hear the opinions of the experts as well!
I think the Namekians would be safe. With what we know now with ROF, New Namek is extremely well hidden.
I think you are forgetting an important detail. Namek was never destroyed so New Namek doesn’t exist.
Awesome video! I like how detailed your footage is and how high quality your videos are. Nice topic, nice video, keep up the great work can't wait to see more of your videos without you I wouldn't be making videos today.
I've really enjoyed following your train of thoughts on this topic and I must say that I like the what-if scenario with a timeline revolving entirely on Piccolo ... things would have probably not escalated that much as you pointed out, being him much more reliable and straight-forward thinking than the sayians!
great video, haven't watched your videos in a while and I immediately noticed your better sound quality and this awesome style with the cinema, looks really great :D
Please do more what if scenarios like this we miss them Qaaman
Great video as always. Enjoyed this topic on piccolo as he is quite an overlooked power player in dbz and its great to have another insight into his character.
Awesome video! Well thought out, clear to understand and very interesting to watch!! Deserves a lot of praise!! :D
Good analysis. Very good coverage on facts that I myself would forget, such as Picollo fighting the weaker androids due to Trunks not butterfly effecting everything.
Awesome video qaaman. I know you enjoyed talking about piccolo and making him the hero XD
Qaaman's funny line:because vageta killed nameks
me:hahahahahaha!!!
little brother: wait there's more than one?
me:queue face palm!
Good ol what if videos. Are you gonna make more?
Yay for messing with the Timeline!!! XD
(Amazing work btw! Tytyty for the rockin-hoppin vid! =D)
I loved this discussion! Thanks Qaaman.
I'm betting Piccolo would fight Vegeta, but not kill him. Piccolo has changed so much and took a lot of teaching from Goku, gohan, and of course the influence of Nail. He would defeat Vegeta, but not kill Vegeta.
I always find myself intensely interested in these what if scenarios since it makes the story unfolding in circumstances we're not used to thinking about, as if the story was progressing the wrong way and the Z fighters were just surviving through the most miniscule of hopes for their abilities to survive each threat that comes. It's like the past and future connecting together, with the past having a dangerous cloud over their heads at all times simply because it meant their doom being written down the moment things didn't turn out the way it was supposed to. How small a change and such great an impact. Listening to your story, I (as always) was desperately hoping beyond hope that the Z fighters would survive and yet....it couldn't be so. It's always the Buu saga that breaks the backs of everyone and it irritates me each and every time.....makes me sad actually when I hear it. Fantastic video and I've got another one for you. Do: What if Cell became a good guy? Just a thought for talk really. Or how would Gohan dealing with the Majin Vegeta saga with Goku dead would work?
I love ur videos so much and u also give a good explanation of what would happen if certain things didn't took place in some episodes.
how did you not add fun fact at 1:35 the conversation between piccolo and vegeta is the same voice actor - chris sabat
cause everyone knows
Good stuff Qaaman! I like your interpretations of the "what if" scenarios. I would like to know your opinion on why did eye beams end at the frieza saga? It seems like a useful technique but perhaps im wrong.
I have been waiting for this one for quite awhile. :)
I have one thing to say. What if he didn't kill vegeta because krillin and gohan talked him out of it? The reason why is because he saved their lives on multiple occasions and would say he changed. And what would happen then? Because piccolo wouldn't fuse with kami until after the fight with the androids or in the 3 year time span. And vegeta, goku, and gohan could eventually learn super saiyan because of the future timeline.
Piccolo killing Frieza and taking on Vegeta would've kicked ass actually
Actually, I think Kami and Piccolo would have only fused as a last resort; Like, Everyone is dead and King Cold is about to blow the planet up. I think Goku would have gone Super Saiyan during THAT fight, and ultimately overpowered Cold. After that, he would have died from the heart virus, and we would have spiraled down into bad end.
That was an awesome video Qaaman! :D
Woah wait what. Usually Qaamans Land videos sound like shit but this has REALLY good audio and your voice sounds so good. Better mic I guess? Good investment. It's really made your content improve a lot.
I love your what if scenarios!!!
Qaaman, I really enjoy your videos and I have an interesting one of my own. What if the Z Fighters confronted Mr. Satan after he took credit for the Cell Games? How would things change and how would characters develop differently if the truth was revealed?
Why wouldn't Piccolo revitalize the Dragon Balls?
He probably doesn't have the ability to do so.
Glanced at the name of this video... Thought it was just click bait. Checked it out and was pleasantly surprised to see a thoughtful and intriguing piece. Very well done!
What if DBZ Didn't exist as a series at all!? What would the fans be doing instead? :o
Than this video would be about what sailor moon would have done if she got her period during the final fight xD
gaukaiser Lol wtf.
Beat our meat
Hey Quaaman, first of all, thanks for your good work all the time, your videos are great! Than, i have a Question: What had happend, if Vegeta became his Wish for immortality granted? i mean, it was a short time periot and polunga was already at work, to forfill this wish...? Thanks!
The real question was what if vegeta killed captain ginyu in goku body
I really enjoyed this piece and thought it was well reasoned, it is also nice to know I'm not the only one who uses that particular guide, though with it in mind and Gohan's lack of passion for fighting I'm not sure he'd end up as the strongest or even necessarily second strongest without strong motivation.
good video :)
good arguments and points (Y)
you should do what If Goku survived Cell's Tournament ;)
What if Piccolo killed Imperfect Cell
The fucks a kami?
About time u made this xD
First awesome. Second, and I hope you'll make a video about either one of these… What if the Jeeta had become a false super saying is fight with Freiza in his final form like go today when he followed slug? Or what if gold who had transformed into a super saying earlier in his fight with Freiza during that point in time where he thought freezer with a 20 times Kaio Ken?
I got to say this was a really good one very interesting.
Why couldn't bulma come back and give goku a medicine so he dosent die from a heart disease
DAshr M cause if bulma see her younger future self the timeline would crashed
John Brian Catedrilla no
DAshr M why did trunks not return?
DAshr M how comes future trunks saw his past self in super
John Brian Catedrilla
That's completely true in a static timeline. However, DBZ already proved their version of time travel works on some sort of "multi-dimensional/multi-verse" logic.
What if Trunks took King Cold's offer to join him?
+Wrath642 That would certainly go contrary to his character, Trunks doesn't seem like the type to be tempted by power.
That's the point
I miss these style of videos big time.
I thought of this timeline, though I replaced it with "What if Krillin's destructo-disk hit Frieza?"
It would cut him in half, but remember how 2nd Form Frieza got his tail cut off? I think if he was cut in half he would just transform and be all fixed up.
That was just the tip of an appendage. We're talking about seperating his lungs from his glebnock
John Porteous
Interesting thought, like he would be easier to fight and weakened... Maybe he wouldn't be able to Transform..
I'm pretty sure he wouldn't do much with half of his body detached
John Porteous Does the Kienzan even cut through anything? a.mfcdn.net/store/manga/214/16-235.0/compressed/p006.jpg If it does, why does Krillin specifically try to aim for Vegeta's tail.
Nameks? Vegeta killed multiple planets full of Namekians? Come on man, they're Namekians..
at 4:46, is i-is that tien !?
I personally think that since Piccolo is smart enough to know when he's outmatched that he would go after Babidi while asking the others to cover him. Babidi would be killed and Dabura would be free from the mind-control. It's a slim chance he would be able to reach Babidi either way. But with Dragon Ball Super stating that Future Trunks was able to beat Dabura with minimal help from Supreme Kai,I believe Gohan,if he was able to go Super Saiyan,would be able to hold his own against Dabura with the help of Krillin and the others. Also adding in if Piccolo was killed by Dabura Gohan would most likely go into rage and unlock his Super Saiyan 2 form due to his connection with Piccolo and I do think Gohan would be able to defeat him. (I would also add in Goku returning to Earth for the tournament and how he would assist in the fight but this has all ready become lengthy as it is.)
yoo dude all your old stuff is coming up in youtube algo nice lmao
Quaaman, I guess you already read DB Minus. But did you read Jaco the Galaxy Patrolman? It features Bulma's older sister Tights, and it explains that Saiyajins don't grow up during their childhood until they become adults. It would explain why Goku looked like a kid when he was 15 or why Goten and Trunks didn't grew up in BoG. Since Gohan, Goten and Trunks are half-Saiyajins, the aging process might work different for them, as Gohan clearly aged during his childhood. And Trunks might got his growth spurt with 14, since he looked like he's 8 years old when he was already 13.
Great job! Very well thought out!
TIMELINE 1 Corrections:
4:44 - I believe the new Grand Elder & Dende at least & maybe some other Namekians would escape onto a space ship just before Namek blew up & they would head straight for Earth. I say this because it originally took at least an hour for Namek to blow up once Frieza destroyed the core. Also, Frieza did mention to Goku that Goku could've escaped undetected during the struggle rather then continue to fight but Goku no don't refused cause he wasn't afraid. This implies that some Namekians could escape King Cold's Wrath! If they did then King Cold would not be delayed in his arrival on Earth if he had detected the escapees. Even though he could destroy them in space, he would decide to pursue them & he would discover Earth that way. King Kai would still inform the Z-Fighters about King Cold's approach but I believe King Cold would show up sooner then he originally did if he pursued the New Grand Elder in space. This would put an even further strain on the Z-fighters since King Cold would be showing up faster then expected, I would say AGE 764 but 1 month later since the Namekian Star Cruiser would take 1 month to travel from Namek to Earth.
So far everything else you said checks out until 7:14. Why? Because they would be able to restore the Dragon Balls in Timeline 1 since Dende & the New Grand Elder fled to Earth with their Dragon Balls. Dende would revitalise the Earth Dragon Balls & become Earth's new guardian! Namek would be restored & the dead Namekians revived due to Porunga being alive. Everything pretty much checks out exactly how you said it would after that up till the Buu Saga. Babidi & his henchmen would still come to Earth because Buu's cocoon was on the planet & they needed to collect him before unleashing him. They would use the Tournament as a way to gather energy just like in the original series but this time it's Piccolo that would be impaled rather than Gohan because Gohan would've only been a SS1 & much weaker & Piccolo was the 1 who killed both Androids 17 & 18! Gohan might've helped but then again Chi-Chi might prevent him from fighting/training & Piccolo wouldn't need him anyway. Gohan would be a fighter in the Buu Saga though because of the Tournament. So Gohan, Krillin, Tien & Chaotsu would follow Kabito to Babidi's ship while Piccolo & Kaioshin are close behind. Yes, it was Kaioshin that stayed & healed Piccolo rather than Kabito since Piccolo fought Kaioshin in the Tournament. Nobody would've cared much if Piccolo was stabbed instead of Gohan so nobody would try to rush out to save him. Videl would win the Tournament for the record. Dabura would turn Krillin & someone other than Piccolo to stone. I would guess Chaotsu since he would be worthless anyway. Who fights against Pui-Pui? I would say Tien because he was the weakest of the 3 Z-Fighters who went inside. Tien would win though & then they fight Yakon, this time it's Gohan's turn because we know he wouldn't stand a chance against Dabura. He kills Yakon in the same way Goku did & then we cut to the fight with Dabura. Piccolo would take him on since he's the strongest of the 3 & cause he hates Dabura the most! He would win unless Babidi detected the former evil inside him & turned him into Majin Piccolo! Tien would fight Majin Piccolo due to them being at odds in Dragon Ball. This leaves Gohan with Kaioshin to fight Babidi & Dabura! In either divergence, both Babidi & Dabura are killed by Piccolo in the 1st & Kaioshin in the 2nd. Buu would never hatch & his cocoon would be captured by the Kais. Then we go to either Super Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball GT!
Super Dragon Ball: Starting with Battle of Gods, Beerus would awaken only to discover Goku & Vegeta are dead & the only Saiyan left is Gohan. He would fall under the belief that Gohan would be the Super Saiyan God that he dreamed of & would challenge Gohan. But let's say Yamcha persuaded him (due to King Kai warning him of Beerus since Yamcha would marry Bulma since Vegeta is dead) to kick back & enjoy the Bulma's party. Since Majin Buu doesn't exist, Beerus wouldn't destroy the Earth but wouldn't be friends with the Z-Fighters either for boring him. Frieza's Resurrection would still happen but unless Piccolo & Gohan got much stronger, the Earth is doomed! Frieza would be disappointed to find out that Goku & Vegeta are dead already & would then exact his revenge mainly on Gohan for being a Super Saiyan, the last of them all in fact besides Pan. It wouldn't matter if Beerus showed up & saved the remaining Z-Fighters from Earth's destruction since they wouldn't be able to stop frieza anyway! If they did then I don't know what happens next since I didn't watch the show yet.
Dragon Ball GT: I doubt the Z-fighters would go into space to collect the Black Star Dragon Balls since the negative energy wouldn't be enough to unleash the Shadow Dragons since the Red Star Balls were used less. Even if they still went into space, who would go after the Balls with Pan? Not Trunks since he wouldn't be a saiyan while Goku is still dead & Piccolo or Tien might not be interested. Gohan would be too busy & weak & so the only person I could think of is Krillin except he's too old. Not to mention, Pilaf wouldn't screw up his wish with Black Star Balls since Goku is dead. I didn't really watch the show because I gave up on it when it was new. So if Piccolo beat the Androids originally, then either Earth is destroyed or there is World Peace in the end depending on which show happened but since we know GT is non-canon, then Earth is screwed big time!
But Let's Assume Piccolo fought & died against the Androids, This would mean Krillan or Yamcha would fight next since Krillan was the 1st Z-fighter to fight them after Piccolo & Vegeta in GFT but Yamcha was the 1st after Piccolo & Vegeta in the HOT movie. Also, Yamcha was the 1st to find the Androids in Timelines 2 & 4 in the original anime/manga & nearly died because of it! So my guess is that Yamcha fought them 1st after Piccolo's death in this alternate Timeline 1 & he ended up dead! But it doesn't matter which of the 2 fights 1st for they'll both die. The question is, who fought next? I would say Tien would because he fought right after Yamcha in the HOT special even though he fought before Yamcha in GFT. He would die also along with Chaotsu & then Krillin would finally meet his end along with Yadrobi. So Gohan would go back to the past in the time machine!
TIMELINE 2: Future Gohan would travel to the unseen timeline all the way to the point King Cold arrived on Earth! His presence would prevent Piccolo from fusing with Kami & thus Future Gohan either killed King Cold by himself or with help from Goku & Piccolo. Let's say he did it with their help & so Goku would turn Super Saiyan in the fight with King Cold & so Future Gohan wouldn't have to teach him to become a Super Saiyan. Future Gohan would give Goku the medicine & then returns to the future. The 3 year gap expires & the Z-Fighters come across Androids 19 & 20. Future Gohan would show up & save Goku from Android 19, Android 19 would die easily & then Piccolo would hunt down Android 20 for zapping him! Android 20 unleashes 16, 17 & 18 & is killed by them afterwards, the Z-Fighters then fight the 3 Androids but end up losing. They would then go to the hyperbolic time chamber & train there for 1 day, I would say Piccolo & Future Gohan would go in 1st & together for the record. The 2 of them would then exit & fight the 3 Androids while Krillin & Tien went in next. Piccolo would fight Android 17 while Future Gohan would fight Android 18 while Android 16 would just stand & watch. Both Androids would be destroyed & it's possible Android 16 might beg them to allow him to fight Goku once he healed from the Heart Virus, but I doubt they would spare him especially Future Gohan. So then once he recovers, Goku would take Kid Gohan into the Time Chamber to train! Future Gohan returns back to Timeline 1 & would destroy the Androids there. H would then plan a trip to Timeline 3 to prevent Gero from unleashing the Androids before they were finished being programmed. But Cell kills him & steals the machine & he goes to Timeline 3 instead.
TIMELINE 3: Everything would happen exactly like it did in Timeline 1 excepting for Piccolo beating the Androids the 1st time of course. Only Future Cell makes a slight difference. According to Xenoverse, Future Cell was actually present at the 1st battle between the Androids & Future Trunks but watch from a distance. I would say he would interrupt a fight between Future Gohan & the Androids in an attempt to absorb them. He would absorb the Androids & become Perfect Cell but Future Gohan escapes. He then goes into the Time Machine & Time Travel to Timeline 4!
Great video Qaaman. I just want to point out a couple of things. First and foremost I agree with your logical levels of power throughout the arcs. Now I wanted to talk about Gohan since you seemed to leave him out a bit. What would his attitude be? And assuming he would train with Piccolo (as I'm sure he would), how strong do you think he would be? I think he would have achieved ssj1 indeed since it would come from his desire to put a stop to the android threat, plus he would have a greater drive than previously because of his father's death. Would he be stronger than Piccolo at this point? And do you think that both he and Piccolo would have trained a lot under these circumstances post android battle? It's just how Gohan would have turned out that would have made things change a lot during the Buu saga. I honestly think their would be a great enough amount of energy for Babidi to come there and whether they succeeded or not would pretty much depend on Gohan's strength and ability to turn into a ssj2. I think that given his hidden power, Gohan MIGHT have done it but he might just as well not as well. Dabura would be the deal breaker when it comes to the survival of the Z fighters. Buu wouldn't have been revived, but it wouldn't matter really.
I've wondered myself what if Piccolo had managed to kill second form Frieza. Thanks for doing the vid.
Most interesting video I've ever seen!!
Would you ever consider doing a what if vid on this scenario? Originally (not sure if this is true or just a fan myth) Toriyama wanted Piccolo to fall under babidis control and battle Goku instead of Vegeta. It was changed after his editor told him how badly fans wanted a Goku Vegeta rematch. What do you think would have happened if Toriyamas original plan went through and Vegeta was turned to stone while Piccolo went with Goku and Gohan into the Babidis ship?
What would happen if gohan continued to train after the cell saga
Omar Kabba He'd be OP!!
Yeah he would probably go ssg
Omar Kabba Yeah, man if old kai unlocked his hidden potential after 7 years of training, and kept training until Revival of F!;Good GAWD ALMIGHTY!(JR's voice)!
Mista Eazy-E MAN22 *tfs goku voice* Oh he already did that! But silly Gohan got eaten by an animal and so we had to make a smarter gohan!
"fight without his weighted clothing"
Let's face it. At that point those weights were kind of pointless.
That was pretty good.
This is non-Dragon Ball related, but can you do a what-if theory if Lelouch never used his Geass on Euphemia?
Great episode I have an interesting What If. What if Goku was late to namik and Recoome killed Gohan how would that effect the namik saga and the series as a whole.
First off, Great Video!
I love the what if appeal of these Dragonball videos, but being the DBZ nerd that I am, there's always something I feel I must ask.
I think this scenario is really well thought out, but the only issue I have with this is the assumed Powerlevel of King Cold. People tend to play it as if King Cold's power is superior to Frieza or Cooler which (maybe I'm wrong) but there's no clear indication that Cold is that powerful. Being that Frieza was at the forefront of the Cold empire due to his ability to transform and multiply is base powerlevel, I assume Cold couldn't do so. Its even stated by Cooler (I know, its a movie and not canon) that Frieza was stronger than himself until he discovered the last transformation. So I assume that as a father he would pursue the Z fighters, but being that his power isn't as great as his youngest son (and add in the fact that he's acting out of revenge and anger) he would just do what he had suggested to Frieza and just blow up Earth from the space!
Now lets say that King Kai somehow figured this out and warned the Z fighters.. The fight would take to the air (no quiet out of earth's atmosphere, being that the z fighter's cant breathe in outer space) and either they would try to destroy the ship before it got in close range or they'd wait and try to deflect the blast from King Cold, causing him to have to engage in actual melee.
*Please respond and let me know what you think, if there's anything that i'm confused about please correct me. And thanks for the entertaining videos!*
Great video Qaaman, just one problem. Wouldn't it be more likely for Goku to have goten? I mean, they would have more time to "Get it on" because Goku wouldn't have ever gone to Yaardrat. And when Goten grew up he would probably be trained by piccolo or a different z fighter because chi-chi wouldn't strive so much for him to be a scholar because of Goku's death. Also, what about Yamcha and Bulma, do you think that they would have any children together?
Kurt Man if that was the case then goku should have had goten in the original/future trunks timelines
This video shows how much potential piccolo could've had if they hadn't pushed him to the side later on. piccolo is on my top 3 favorites and I would've like to see him rise as much as other person would've loved to see vegeta rise to the top as well. all in all, great theory and good points on how the outcome could've happen.
Small thing to add... when future Trunks fight the androids in the main timeline, he said that the androids from his timeline were quite weaker... After the discovery of the time machine and cell's cocoon they made the hypothesis that the coming of cell in the past changed the events and made the androids way stronger. So after the fusion with Kami, Piccolo would most probably have been able to beat the androids without the need of training in the hyperbolic time chamber
I got an theory idea/question: What if the other dead Z Fighters, including Piccolo, managed to learn Kaioken and/or Spirit Bomb from King Kai before Gohan, Krillin and Dende wished for Piccolo to come back to life during the Namek Saga?
Great video dude.
Very thorough!
Favorite TH-camr hands down
Floppy Gamer Thank you
Everytime a DBZ character hypothetically makes a logical decision it leads to disaster. Lol
Magnificent analysis, there's just a detail I'm not certain about. I watched the latin american version and when Piccolo was about to fuse with Nail, Nail said he would make no influence on Piccolo, he would just become power for him. Was it like that in the manga and english versions?
Damn quaman, you sound WAY different than in the older videos