Pretty good predictions. One consideration I didn't hear: When Frieza was resurrected, Sorbet told him that Goku had beaten Majin Buu and fought with Beerus. This shocked Frieza and made him realize how much stronger he needed to be. So it's possible that Frieza would never have achieved his Golden form if they had never fought Buu or Beerus.
Ah, that is true. It was originally the fact that Goku fought and beat Buu and fought Beerus on near equal terms that caused Frieza to train. Without that motive, Frieza would go head first after Goku and just die again easier than before.
+Mike Bogs and the dragonballs on earth wouldnt revive freezer and they wouldnt use the namekian dragonballs because they dont have a namekian translator
Also if Frieda Didn't Train and Came back Gohan, Trunks I'd Goten can have easily defeated Frieda due to Frieda being a tad bit stronger then he was on Namek
ACtually i dont get it. Trunks and Krillin arrived only after piccolo had gotten enough info. so in this scenario piccolo should know about the gero's lab despite killing cell
I'll give my insight on this before even starting to watch the video 1. Goku would never have achieved SSjin 3. 2. Gohan himself would not feel a need to feel angry, let go of his emotions and actually transform completely into a SSjin 2, but let's just assume that Goku did make him eventually release everything and go SSjin 2 during the 7 years time skip AND still keep training further. After this, Goku would have noticed Vegeta training his ass of, and being motivated by his own son, would have trained for SSjin 2. 3. Vegeta would still have noticed that Goku and Gohan were stronger than him as MSSjins, so he trains for 7 years, masters SSjin and looking at Gohan go SSjin 2, he himself would perhaps train beyond his limits and achieve SSjin 2, just like the original series. 4. Goten would have got formal training from Goku, so it would be highly likely that he would be stronger than Kid Trunks(who was trained by Vegeta) during the Boo Arc who has lesser inborn potential than Son Goten. 5. So by the time Babidi shows up, we have 3 Super Saiya-jin 2s in the order Gohan > Goku >= Vegeta and two Super Saiya-jin kids who have mastered the SSjin form, just like the original series BUT in the order Goten > Kid Trunks. Vegeta might train Trunks harder and motivate him to go beyond his limits and turn the tables some day just like he aims to do against Goku, creating actual rivalry between Trunks and Goten , but that's hypothetical. 6. It is highly unlikely that Vegeta would have gone crazy and deliberately fallen for the Majin charm here, because unlike the original series, he could challenge Goku any day and not just forced to desperately challenge him on the day of the tournament which was supposedly Goku's only day on earth in the original series. 7. So No Majin Vegeta = No Goku vs Vegeta = No Majin Boo = Babidi fails, R.I.P Majin Boo Arc and any extra technique that was introduced in it like fusion and Gohan's Mystic ritual 8. Beerus still wakes up and comes to earth, but as there is no Good Boo to piss him off, Beerus leaves after the party like a gentleman impressed by earth's supply of food. 9. Freeza gets revived but with no Majin Boo, he has no idea of Goku/Vegeta's power, comes back like a dumbass, gets killed again. 10. Peace is restored for good, series ends, case closed. Sayonara
+sainandan anime Do you really think so? I thought Beerus was going to destroy Earth anyway when the Oracle Fish told him about the Super Saiyan God, and no Saiyan left alive knew anything about it. It was only Goku asking for more time, a Dragon Ball wish, and a energy-expending fight that kept Beerus from fulfilling his promise. Besides, anything can irritate Beerus. If it wasn't Buu, it could have been Goten, Trunks, or Pilaf's gang.
Zachary Stone Beerus would leave with a full, sated stomach and would want to visit Earth again for food, there is even a slight possibility that the next time Beerus/Whis arrive on Earth, Vegeta/Goku would convince him to train them by again, providing them delicious food, so even the Golden Freeza mess can be avoided.....plus, Goku had to intervene because the dumbass Good Boo created all the mess and ruined Vegeta's efforts to keep a low profile.
stormproductions67 Kuririn and Trunks killed Current Timeline Cell WHILE Piccolo was fighting Timeline 3 Imperfect Cell. So that Cell will be killed as well.
Good to see some "what if" content. I know DBS is the thing right now, but it's over saturating the content I see from the DBtubers. It's either DBS or some weird DB card game lol. Good video.
Except they never would've fought another Cell because Krillin and Trunks still would've killed the original Cell that wasn't born yet. However you can't confirm that Goku & Vegeta never would've made an alliance with Beerus and became Super Saiyan Gods. Plus Goku would've pushed SSJ2 out of Gohan because he saw it in him before the cell games.
You know...I think Goku would ask for the dragonballs to wish to know how to become a SSG just for the chance of being able to fight Beerus on more even terms. I could see Goku being that selfish.
I think the only issue I have with this is with Cell. He definitely would've been a lot stronger I think in the long run. Dr. Gero had little things that updated information and improved Cell as time went on, which they showed in the series if I remember correctly, thus also why he has everyone's abilities with some DNA nabbing. It's plausible that they never got detected or destroyed and with obtaining all the information about Super Saiyan especially on Vegeta/Gohan/Trunks etc.. Cell would have more than likely been a hell of a lot stronger in the 'future' case when he finally emerged, but not the past. Adding another repertoire of characters strengths and movesets to him would definitely have made him MUCH stronger in this time than he normally would've been. Of course, the absorption of the androids becomes a problem.. but his base form would have been quite a shit storm to deal with. The Cell that came from the future in the main timeline would've still been a pushover I believe, but when he actually emerged properly in that time, he would've been probably one of the strongest forces to reckon with just like he was before.
No one would have been able to use it due to the constrictions. Popo might still have altered it to what it is now after BoG if Goku and/or Vegeta asked him to and it may have taken less time (altering instead of full on rebuilding), but I do not think it would have done much for the plot since it would've been after BoG (no need for it beforehand or else Goku and/or Vegeta would've asked him to do it after cell saga during that time of peace) and Goku/Vegeta would've been with Beerus before Frieza showed up. The only person that would have POTENTIALLY used it if they built it between BoG and Frieza arc would probably be Gohan and Piccolo AFTER they fight Frieza when Gohan wants Piccolo to train him. They would be in there for 2 days or whatever and then Goku and Vegeta would've went in, told them the news of the tournament, and then kicked them out or ran off to another corner of the area for the remaining time.
+Alfredo Virgen I know right, I heard about it too on Friday from Akira Toriyama himself. The man has such a way with words! You know I read once on his OFFICIAL twitter this quote - "You talk a lot of shit, but I still don't see titties. BYE!"....beautiful, just beautiful
Actually, the dragonballs would've been won in the bingo game. Depending on who wins them, they may or may not have been scattered across the world (Like, Tien probably wouldn't have used them, but Krillin or Yamcha might have). In addition, I'd actually argue that Goku and Vegeta would be just as strong, since they'd be constantly pushing each other. Sure, Goku would've never gotten SSJ3, but whatever.
That ressurection F arc of Freeza wrecking the Z fighters is false. The only reason he trained is because he heard that Goku got so strong that he defeated Buu. Without Buu, Freeza wouldn't bother to go train and as a result, he would've gotten wrecked.
good point but freiza isn't stupid an knows that they will have got stronger don't know why freiza was scared of buu if he did 2 days training he probably will have been able to beat him
The cell arc would end,Goku and gohan come out of the time chamber to destroy the androids and they do that,then there is a 7 year long period of peace which gohan/Goku would probably discover ssj2 but probably wouldn’t have discovered ssj3 and then the Buu arc kinda happens the same way it did except when in the og timeline where ssj3 Goku fights kid Buu he looses or he fuses with vegeta and wins,in the scenario where Goku looses to kid Buu then supreme Kai/kibito shin would fall back and would probably wait until Beerus wakes up to kill Majin Buu and after those events,if namek wasn’t destroyed by Buu then supreme Kai would restore al the damage made by Buu,if he fused with vegeta they would kill Buu and then the 4 year time skip happens and all of Super just happens the same way
I agree with you up until dragon ball super, buu never being hatched doesn't make the odds or beerus remaining calm all that much lower, i'm sure there are dozens of things that would have went wrong during that time causing him to lose his shit, good video tho its interesting
well taking into consideration how clearly inflated his temper was during the battle of gods arch I assume that even if buu where to not have a part in it, something else would have set him off without question, wether it be drunkin bulma, or trunks and goten causing trouble, I dunno maybe a prank of some sort, or him simply not getting his way with something else.
I would also like to add that though Goku would not have been nearly as powerful, I doubt he and Vegeta would have been sitting around doing nothing during the peaceful years following the Buu saga. So I still see Goku challenging Beerus at some point during his visit to Earth with much the same result as his challenge on King Kai's planet (minus his SSJ3 transformation). Beerus would likely accept do to him still looking for the one who killed Freiza. I can't remember if it was on Earth or King Kai's planet that Beerus and Whis first heard about the SSJ God, but I imagine at this point it would come up and Beerus would push for someone to give him answers and thus the story would continue much like it did in the Battle of the Gods movie, though with Goku having just been defeated by Beerus, it could very well be Vegeta who becomes the SSJ God instead of Goku, though this point is up for debate.
+javier mata I think he would have never been hatched cause nobody would have been strong enough to hatch buu. Like In future trunks timeline buu was never hatched most likely because there wasnt anybody strong enough.
*Update this thoery pls, there a couple of things you considered more in the movies than in DBS* No matter if Beerus fought or not SSJG Goku, Whis could've still come to earth to hang out with Bulma to eat something, causing to Vegeta to have the chance to ask him if he could train him (knowing he's Beeru's Teacher), joining Goku 6 months later.
Goku already knew the fusion dance before any of the "what if piccolo killed cell" theory.... And Berus wouldve still searched for the ssg from his premonition being that he is intent on getting his way.
Wait, would Zamasu feel less inclined or determined to destroy humanity in this what if? Or would he have just never even had the idea in the first place.
Since no one pointed this out, I will. Assuming Frieza still gets revived, Sorbet wouldn't have exactly said Goku had beaten Buu, since he never hatched. Assuming Sorbet knew about the androids, he wouldn't be able to convey the urgency properly. As a result, Frieza would either a) remain arrogant and challenge the Z-Fighters with no training and be defeated easily. b) If Sorbet (somehow) convinces Frieza that Goku is a larger threat than before, then it is possible that Frieza has done some training, though to a lesser extent then in the original. Since it's heavily implied Frieza stopped training immediately after getting his Golden Form, training less would result in him not having the form, but still potentially being a threat due to Goku not being a ssj3. So scenario b would be the only interesting thing to happen
+KHZack13 It would be EXTREMELY hard for frieza to be revived for the reasons I said in the video. Not to mention, if they went to new namek, they don't have the password.
+Qaaman's Land the problem with your reasoning was that just because Majin Buu didn't get Beerus angry that they wouldn't have used the dragon balls, when the entire reason Beerus went to Earth was to find out about Super Saiyan God, which they did by using the dragon balls at Goku's request. Buu or no Majin Buu the dragon balls still would have been used and the overall plot of BOG and subsequently DBS would have largely remained the same.
The dragon balls were a prize at bulmas birthday so may have been used still. If goku hadn't defeated buu, freeza might not have been motivated to train.
***** I thought he only recognised gohan's potential to do it and that at one point gohan's power surpassed his. But you maybe right I just think if he went ss2 goku wouldn't have said that him and gohan's power were at their peak if gohan had another transformation.
I would think : -Gohan already unlocked SSJ2 in the chamber so he would eventually unleash it through training with goku over 7 years - Goku and vegeta will have a match to determine whose the best and considering MSSJ goku was close to suppressed Perfect Cell goku would cream vegeta -I think vegeta would be motivated to train smarter and goku would be motivated to train to keep his status as the top dog -Over the 7 years I think everybody would be stronger except goku because he would never reach ssj3 -With goku's influence gohan would train at least enough to keep up his power, goten would be an MSSJ and of course trunks and vegeta would train harder because vegeta would still want to beat goku , Goku and vegeta may have yearly sparring matches to see whose stronger -Majin Buu is not revived because vegeta doesn't need to obsess over goku - I think when beerus comes the timeline would course correct itself because beerus still did want to fight the SSG - So although goku and vegeta are weaker than they're buu saga counter parts after doing the God Ritual everything should fall back into place
Actually Beerus would still want to fight goku because the reason he came to earth in the first place was to fight a super Saiyan God, he would still want Goku to wish for the knowledge of how to do it.
I don't think Gohan and Videl would meet considering Satan wouldn't be the hero he was. So Satan City most likely would have never been constructed and Videl would have been a different person in total since her childhood would have been a lot different. So she presumably would have never went on to defeat baddies.
No actually, Hercule city was renamed from Orange Star City after he supposedly defeated Cell. That's a little extreme if he got a city in a short amount of time.
Antasma1 Well then, thank you for the clarification, I appreciate it a lot. I still believe that the relationship with Gohan and Videl would have turned out different due to her having a different childhood, but the odds for them meeting are a lot more likely now.
A good idea for a "what if" video is if goten was born much earlier and closer in age to gohan or what would happen in trunks' timeline after beating the androids and cell and going to new namek and using the dragon balls to revive everyone who died in his time line.
Frieza only trained because he was told that Goku beat majin buu. Which means if he was wished back then he would have went to earth and got killed again. Vegeta and Goku probably would have let Goten and Trunks take care of him and his Army.
Not as much. Motivations are a major factor as far as training is concerned. He does get stronger mind you, probably stronger than Perfect Cell but that's just it.
Frieza wouldn't have come back as Golden Frieza even if we assume Sorbet summons Porunga as Frieza only considered to train for 4 months only after he's told that Goku defeated Buu , until he heard that he was planning on visiting earth directly.
Problem with the Resurrection F part of the theory. The dragonballs were going to be the 1st place prize of the bingo contest. So, without them being used for the "how do we find a super saiyan god" wish, they would be used by whoever won 1st place. So, they wouldn still be scattered.
I have an interesting idea for a vid, maybe you can look back and briefly recap all of the valid what if scenarios that you have done and try to list which ones have a positive outcome, which ones have a negative outcome, and which ones have alot of both!
The thing about the dragon balls that Bulma had during the battle of gods is that it was first prize for the bingo competition, so if bingo was not disrupted some one would win the use of the dragon balls and Sorbet and Tagoma would probably still be able to resurrect Freeza. Also I would imagine that Goku would still want to find out how to be the super saiyan god that Beerus was mentioning by using the dragon balls, as it would give him the chance to be able to fight Beerus evenly. My point is Freeza would be resurrected no matter what, because in both cases the dragon balls would be used and I cannot think of a third possible situation that could come from the battle of gods.
The SSJ-G ritual would've brought Goku to the same level of peer that it did before though. Even with SS-J 3 and whatever time he had to train with it, Goku was still laughably weaker than Beerus's. The God Ritual would've brought him to the same "baseline" God power as it did in Battle of Gods, with events ending up almost exactly the same; this could still end with Goku and Vegeta eventually training with Whis... ~_~
I see you point with the "2nd child" theory, but Gohan does mention to himself when he's training with Goten how their mother has changed ever since their father died with Cell's fight. Do you still think Chi-Chi would be as soft with Goten as she was in the series with Goku around? I think she would push Goten with education. I think the only reason for her lenieancy with Goten is was more of a psychological reasoning. I think she was lenient with Goten because she missed Goku and they look identical. With Goku being around, Chi-Chi wouldn't be missing Goku obviously. What do you think Quamaan? I'd also love to hear your theory of the 2nd child. Can you post your link please? Also, please let me know if you agree or if I'm missing something. PS: Love your videos!
actually Babadi would still go to earth not on grounds cause of energy, but because thats where buu's shell was hidden. the supreme kai even stated they knew buus shell was there they left it there because they thought it would be harmless without babadi's father.
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Pretty good predictions. One consideration I didn't hear:
When Frieza was resurrected, Sorbet told him that Goku had beaten Majin Buu and fought with Beerus. This shocked Frieza and made him realize how much stronger he needed to be. So it's possible that Frieza would never have achieved his Golden form if they had never fought Buu or Beerus.
Ah, that is true. It was originally the fact that Goku fought and beat Buu and fought Beerus on near equal terms that caused Frieza to train. Without that motive, Frieza would go head first after Goku and just die again easier than before.
+Mike Bogs and the dragonballs on earth wouldnt revive freezer and they wouldnt use the namekian dragonballs because they dont have a namekian translator
Also another thing: They know that Namek was destroyed... But they don't know about NEW Namek... Right?
Also if Frieda Didn't Train and Came back Gohan, Trunks I'd Goten can have easily defeated Frieda due to Frieda being a tad bit stronger then he was on Namek
ACtually i dont get it. Trunks and Krillin arrived only after piccolo had gotten enough info. so in this scenario piccolo should know about the gero's lab despite killing cell
I'll give my insight on this before even starting to watch the video
1. Goku would never have achieved SSjin 3.
2. Gohan himself would not feel a need to feel angry, let go of his emotions and actually transform completely into a SSjin 2, but let's just assume that Goku did make him eventually release everything and go SSjin 2 during the 7 years time skip AND still keep training further. After this, Goku would have noticed Vegeta training his ass of, and being motivated by his own son, would have trained for SSjin 2.
3. Vegeta would still have noticed that Goku and Gohan were stronger than him as MSSjins, so he trains for 7 years, masters SSjin and looking at Gohan go SSjin 2, he himself would perhaps train beyond his limits and achieve SSjin 2, just like the original series.
4. Goten would have got formal training from Goku, so it would be highly likely that he would be stronger than Kid Trunks(who was trained by Vegeta) during the Boo Arc who has lesser inborn potential than Son Goten.
5. So by the time Babidi shows up, we have 3 Super Saiya-jin 2s in the order Gohan > Goku >= Vegeta and two Super Saiya-jin kids who have mastered the SSjin form, just like the original series BUT in the order Goten > Kid Trunks. Vegeta might train Trunks harder and motivate him to go beyond his limits and turn the tables some day just like he aims to do against Goku, creating actual rivalry between Trunks and Goten , but that's hypothetical.
6. It is highly unlikely that Vegeta would have gone crazy and deliberately fallen for the Majin charm here, because unlike the original series, he could challenge Goku any day and not just forced to desperately challenge him on the day of the tournament which was supposedly Goku's only day on earth in the original series.
7. So No Majin Vegeta = No Goku vs Vegeta = No Majin Boo = Babidi fails, R.I.P Majin Boo Arc and any extra technique that was introduced in it like fusion and Gohan's Mystic ritual
8. Beerus still wakes up and comes to earth, but as there is no Good Boo to piss him off, Beerus leaves after the party like a gentleman impressed by earth's supply of food.
9. Freeza gets revived but with no Majin Boo, he has no idea of Goku/Vegeta's power, comes back like a dumbass, gets killed again.
10. Peace is restored for good, series ends, case closed. Sayonara
+sainandan anime Do you really think so? I thought Beerus was going to destroy Earth anyway when the Oracle Fish told him about the Super Saiyan God, and no Saiyan left alive knew anything about it. It was only Goku asking for more time, a Dragon Ball wish, and a energy-expending fight that kept Beerus from fulfilling his promise. Besides, anything can irritate Beerus. If it wasn't Buu, it could have been Goten, Trunks, or Pilaf's gang.
Zachary Stone Beerus would leave with a full, sated stomach and would want to visit Earth again for food, there is even a slight possibility that the next time Beerus/Whis arrive on Earth, Vegeta/Goku would convince him to train them by again, providing them delicious food, so even the Golden Freeza mess can be avoided.....plus, Goku had to intervene because the dumbass Good Boo created all the mess and ruined Vegeta's efforts to keep a low profile.
goku and vegeta would a became ssj2 regardless if gohan did or not.
But what about the Cell of their Time Line?
stormproductions67 Kuririn and Trunks killed Current Timeline Cell WHILE Piccolo was fighting Timeline 3 Imperfect Cell. So that Cell will be killed as well.
This was fun to help with xD
JaxBlade I am from the future.
Good to see some "what if" content. I know DBS is the thing right now, but it's over saturating the content I see from the DBtubers. It's either DBS or some weird DB card game lol.
Good video.
Except they never would've fought another Cell because Krillin and Trunks still would've killed the original Cell that wasn't born yet.
However you can't confirm that Goku & Vegeta never would've made an alliance with Beerus and became Super Saiyan Gods. Plus Goku would've pushed SSJ2 out of Gohan because he saw it in him before the cell games.
This got like no likes
What if Raditz joined the Goku and betrayed Vegeta and Nappa?
erase the the.
bruh if piccolo killed cell
then cell would be dead duh
Anime Senpãi 😂😂😂the most logical scenario I've read yet
you do have a valid point
Then piccolo will be the main character fighting majin buu
Lmao 😂
I've been waiting for what ifs like these.
Same.
I think he forgot to mention the point about NO CELL GAMES lol
You know...I think Goku would ask for the dragonballs to wish to know how to become a SSG just for the chance of being able to fight Beerus on more even terms. I could see Goku being that selfish.
true
What if cell had chopsticks?
That's OOLONG
I think the only issue I have with this is with Cell. He definitely would've been a lot stronger I think in the long run. Dr. Gero had little things that updated information and improved Cell as time went on, which they showed in the series if I remember correctly, thus also why he has everyone's abilities with some DNA nabbing. It's plausible that they never got detected or destroyed and with obtaining all the information about Super Saiyan especially on Vegeta/Gohan/Trunks etc.. Cell would have more than likely been a hell of a lot stronger in the 'future' case when he finally emerged, but not the past. Adding another repertoire of characters strengths and movesets to him would definitely have made him MUCH stronger in this time than he normally would've been. Of course, the absorption of the androids becomes a problem.. but his base form would have been quite a shit storm to deal with.
The Cell that came from the future in the main timeline would've still been a pushover I believe, but when he actually emerged properly in that time, he would've been probably one of the strongest forces to reckon with just like he was before.
Plot twist: cell had chopsticks
What if the hyperbolic time chamber wasn't destroyed during the Buu Saga?
No one would have been able to use it due to the constrictions. Popo might still have altered it to what it is now after BoG if Goku and/or Vegeta asked him to and it may have taken less time (altering instead of full on rebuilding), but I do not think it would have done much for the plot since it would've been after BoG (no need for it beforehand or else Goku and/or Vegeta would've asked him to do it after cell saga during that time of peace) and Goku/Vegeta would've been with Beerus before Frieza showed up.
The only person that would have POTENTIALLY used it if they built it between BoG and Frieza arc would probably be Gohan and Piccolo AFTER they fight Frieza when Gohan wants Piccolo to train him. They would be in there for 2 days or whatever and then Goku and Vegeta would've went in, told them the news of the tournament, and then kicked them out or ran off to another corner of the area for the remaining time.
And Old Kai would still be in the Z sword.
what if goku took cell advice and took the sensu bean instead of allowing gohan to fight?
+Alpha581 He would beat cell
+William Greene how
Sexual Tyranasaurus plot
William Greene your right
Cell would probably beat Goku, but Gohan might've beaten Cell after seeing his father die, and beat the weakened Cell.
cant wait till broly comes back ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
+Alfredo Virgen I know right, I heard about it too on Friday from Akira Toriyama himself. The man has such a way with words! You know I read once on his OFFICIAL twitter this quote - "You talk a lot of shit, but I still don't see titties. BYE!"....beautiful, just beautiful
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Broly isn't canon.
+itsddashrock Thank God he isn't.
Broly sucks because he is overrated and non canon and we know everything canon is only good
4:14 - Goku's "Influence" ...HA! XD
Actually Gohan would be a lot stronger due to Goku's influence
Actually, the dragonballs would've been won in the bingo game. Depending on who wins them, they may or may not have been scattered across the world (Like, Tien probably wouldn't have used them, but Krillin or Yamcha might have).
In addition, I'd actually argue that Goku and Vegeta would be just as strong, since they'd be constantly pushing each other. Sure, Goku would've never gotten SSJ3, but whatever.
No Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, that's for sure.
Question: What if Piccolo killed Imperfect Cell?
Answer: Imperfect Cell would die.
+BantaSaurus139 nf
nf?
+BantaSaurus139 "no fuck" I guess.... idk
Yeah thats what I was thinking
+BantaSaurus139 he meant not funny
That ressurection F arc of Freeza wrecking the Z fighters is false. The only reason he trained is because he heard that Goku got so strong that he defeated Buu. Without Buu, Freeza wouldn't bother to go train and as a result, he would've gotten wrecked.
+Whirlwind Spiral after he was told/convinced. he was ready to rush back in and fight right after his resurrection.
good point but freiza isn't stupid an knows that they will have got stronger
don't know why freiza was scared of buu if he did 2 days training he probably will have been able to beat him
In the Battle of Gods Arc, weren't the Dragon Balls a prize for Bingo? If so, wouldn't they have gotten used?
Would Dende even become guardian?
Have you ever wondered if vegeta killed semi perfect cell
+Matthew Ginn Just search in on youtube, like everyone
The cell arc would end,Goku and gohan come out of the time chamber to destroy the androids and they do that,then there is a 7 year long period of peace which gohan/Goku would probably discover ssj2 but probably wouldn’t have discovered ssj3 and then the Buu arc kinda happens the same way it did except when in the og timeline where ssj3 Goku fights kid Buu he looses or he fuses with vegeta and wins,in the scenario where Goku looses to kid Buu then supreme Kai/kibito shin would fall back and would probably wait until Beerus wakes up to kill Majin Buu and after those events,if namek wasn’t destroyed by Buu then supreme Kai would restore al the damage made by Buu,if he fused with vegeta they would kill Buu and then the 4 year time skip happens and all of Super just happens the same way
I always wondered.
Watching this 3 years later makes you appriciate your video's even more
I agree with you up until dragon ball super, buu never being hatched doesn't make the odds or beerus remaining calm all that much lower, i'm sure there are dozens of things that would have went wrong during that time causing him to lose his shit, good video tho its interesting
+javier mata hmm, explain what you mean
well taking into consideration how clearly inflated his temper was during the battle of gods arch I assume that even if buu where to not have a part in it, something else would have set him off without question, wether it be drunkin bulma, or trunks and goten causing trouble, I dunno maybe a prank of some sort, or him simply not getting his way with something else.
+javier mata I agree, Trunks and Goten were a disaster waiting to happen, same with Pilaf's gang.
I would also like to add that though Goku would not have been nearly as powerful, I doubt he and Vegeta would have been sitting around doing nothing during the peaceful years following the Buu saga. So I still see Goku challenging Beerus at some point during his visit to Earth with much the same result as his challenge on King Kai's planet (minus his SSJ3 transformation). Beerus would likely accept do to him still looking for the one who killed Freiza.
I can't remember if it was on Earth or King Kai's planet that Beerus and Whis first heard about the SSJ God, but I imagine at this point it would come up and Beerus would push for someone to give him answers and thus the story would continue much like it did in the Battle of the Gods movie, though with Goku having just been defeated by Beerus, it could very well be Vegeta who becomes the SSJ God instead of Goku, though this point is up for debate.
+javier mata I think he would have never been hatched cause nobody would have been strong enough to hatch buu. Like In future trunks timeline buu was never hatched most likely because there wasnt anybody strong enough.
*Update this thoery pls, there a couple of things you considered more in the movies than in DBS*
No matter if Beerus fought or not SSJG Goku, Whis could've still come to earth to hang out with Bulma to eat something, causing to Vegeta to have the chance to ask him if he could train him (knowing he's Beeru's Teacher), joining Goku 6 months later.
if frieza's golden from was strong enough to fight god ki, who's to say a dragon gt universe SSJ4 wouldnt be on pair with god ki or even stronger?
you know if piccolo killed imperfect cell I would be very happy because I hated imperfect cells face and personality thank God quameen made this video
so.. how powerful would Piccolo be if not only did he Absorb/fuse with Nail and Kami, but 5 other Namekians?
The dragonballs were a prize in the bingo tournament so they would still be used.
Goku already knew the fusion dance before any of the "what if piccolo killed cell" theory.... And Berus wouldve still searched for the ssg from his premonition being that he is intent on getting his way.
those edits and animation are getting better
+Chris Black Thanks bro
what if nappa turned great ape agaisnt goku
gohan learned the super saiyan 2 in the hyperbolic time chamber.
I like how organized and well thought out your what if videos are good work man
Yeah I was glad to help once again great video
Simple.
No Ssj 2 gohan
Wait, would Zamasu feel less inclined or determined to destroy humanity in this what if? Or would he have just never even had the idea in the first place.
The Dragon Balls were the first place prize for the bingo tournament, so someone would have ended up using the Dragon Balls when they won them.
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Piccolo would be able to hold off the androids and possibly defeat at least one of them until Vegeta and Trunks return
Man, its been awhile sense you last did one of these. Glad that your back doe
Qaaman I love your video's! I see you improved so much with your editing. I watch you since the beginning of 2015 and I still love your vids.
glad to see one of these style videos again.
beerus would still happen because of goku killing frieza
Thanks for making my day Quinn.
Very intuitive and plausible.
Oh yeah qaaman, back with our favorite type of video, the what ifs. Great vid.
man piccolo angry theme in the background lovin it
Qaaman i have a pretty interesting what if scenario what if cell absorbed 18 first instead of 17
Krillin would destroy 17 and Vegeta would destroy Cell, then everything in this video past the Cell arc
Cell become handsome XD
Damn Qaaman back at it with the what ifs
wtf really l
Wow you really went deep into this. Good video
Since no one pointed this out, I will. Assuming Frieza still gets revived, Sorbet wouldn't have exactly said Goku had beaten Buu, since he never hatched. Assuming Sorbet knew about the androids, he wouldn't be able to convey the urgency properly. As a result, Frieza would either a) remain arrogant and challenge the Z-Fighters with no training and be defeated easily. b) If Sorbet (somehow) convinces Frieza that Goku is a larger threat than before, then it is possible that Frieza has done some training, though to a lesser extent then in the original. Since it's heavily implied Frieza stopped training immediately after getting his Golden Form, training less would result in him not having the form, but still potentially being a threat due to Goku not being a ssj3. So scenario b would be the only interesting thing to happen
+KHZack13 It would be EXTREMELY hard for frieza to be revived for the reasons I said in the video. Not to mention, if they went to new namek, they don't have the password.
+Qaaman's Land the problem with your reasoning was that just because Majin Buu didn't get Beerus angry that they wouldn't have used the dragon balls, when the entire reason Beerus went to Earth was to find out about Super Saiyan God, which they did by using the dragon balls at Goku's request. Buu or no Majin Buu the dragon balls still would have been used and the overall plot of BOG and subsequently DBS would have largely remained the same.
The dragon balls were a prize at bulmas birthday so may have been used still. If goku hadn't defeated buu, freeza might not have been motivated to train.
10:15 Didn't Gohan become SSJ2 in the time chamber for like a split second?
That's what I was wondering too ..
No I don't think so
+BetaDanU That's filler.
***** I thought he only recognised gohan's potential to do it and that at one point gohan's power surpassed his. But you maybe right I just think if he went ss2 goku wouldn't have said that him and gohan's power were at their peak if gohan had another transformation.
Another great video Qaaman your editing skills have gotten a lot better
Yay more what if scenarios!
I would think :
-Gohan already unlocked SSJ2 in the chamber so he would eventually unleash it through training with goku over 7 years
- Goku and vegeta will have a match to determine whose the best and considering MSSJ goku was close to suppressed Perfect Cell goku would cream vegeta
-I think vegeta would be motivated to train smarter and goku would be motivated to train to keep his status as the top dog
-Over the 7 years I think everybody would be stronger except goku because he would never reach ssj3
-With goku's influence gohan would train at least enough to keep up his power, goten would be an MSSJ and of course trunks and vegeta would train harder because vegeta would still want to beat goku , Goku and vegeta may have yearly sparring matches to see whose stronger
-Majin Buu is not revived because vegeta doesn't need to obsess over goku
- I think when beerus comes the timeline would course correct itself because beerus still did want to fight the SSG
- So although goku and vegeta are weaker than they're buu saga counter parts after doing the God Ritual everything should fall back into place
Man ur good Qaaman everything I would have imagine if I thought it that way. Thanks for making such good videos.
The song playing at 2:30 is so nostalgic lol.
Actually Beerus would still want to fight goku because the reason he came to earth in the first place was to fight a super Saiyan God, he would still want Goku to wish for the knowledge of how to do it.
This what if was definitely one of your best!😀
Great vid man, first time You involved dbs in it if im not mistaking, loved it!
I don't think Gohan and Videl would meet considering Satan wouldn't be the hero he was. So Satan City most likely would have never been constructed and Videl would have been a different person in total since her childhood would have been a lot different. So she presumably would have never went on to defeat baddies.
No actually, Hercule city was renamed from Orange Star City after he supposedly defeated Cell. That's a little extreme if he got a city in a short amount of time.
Antasma1 Was that mentioned in the series? If then I of course retract my statement.
***** Gohan even read it out of a book
Antasma1 Well then, thank you for the clarification, I appreciate it a lot. I still believe that the relationship with Gohan and Videl would have turned out different due to her having a different childhood, but the odds for them meeting are a lot more likely now.
***** Unless it was just the dub.
A good idea for a "what if" video is if goten was born much earlier and closer in age to gohan or what would happen in trunks' timeline after beating the androids and cell and going to new namek and using the dragon balls to revive everyone who died in his time line.
I suggested this ages ago😂
Very interesting picture you chose for Chichi :D!!!
boy did i miss these
I'm pretty sure Goku would still becone ssj god because beerus would look after him and goku would want a a way to fight him
I’m only like halfway in but I can’t help but notice that the cell larva in Gero’s basement hasn’t been addressed just yet
I’ll be anticipating that
I kind of wondered more if vegeta wasnt so cocky when he fought semi perfect cell and just killed him
Frieza only trained because he was told that Goku beat majin buu.
Which means if he was wished back then he would have went to earth and got killed again. Vegeta and Goku probably would have let Goten and Trunks take care of him and his Army.
+CEDL0W He would have still trained to beat the man that killed him.
Not as much. Motivations are a major factor as far as training is concerned. He does get stronger mind you, probably stronger than Perfect Cell but that's just it.
Finally, that Antartican Internet pulled through
You went so much in depth Qaaman... Why?
You didn't post this soob enough, so here come the chopsticks
Frieza wouldn't have come back as Golden Frieza even if we assume Sorbet summons Porunga as Frieza only considered to train for 4 months only after he's told that Goku defeated Buu , until he heard that he was planning on visiting earth directly.
Finally a what if
I like to to think that if they never destroyed Geros lab there would be even more terrifying androids and creations.
Great Video Qaaman I'm glad you made video based on my question I just finished Walking Dead finale now I'm watching your video
+ZegetaX1 WITHOUT SPOILERS: Where you upset at the ending? I felt it was messed up to fans
Qaaman's Land Yeah I wish more happened if you get what I mean
Problem with the Resurrection F part of the theory. The dragonballs were going to be the 1st place prize of the bingo contest. So, without them being used for the "how do we find a super saiyan god" wish, they would be used by whoever won 1st place. So, they wouldn still be scattered.
Larva cell: and now the end is near-
Larva cell: AHH GODDAMMIT SHIT!!
its crazy how one change can lead to completely different outcomes.
qaaman you are my favorite youtuber
Last time i came this early Piccolo wasn't useless
I have an interesting idea for a vid, maybe you can look back and briefly recap all of the valid what if scenarios that you have done and try to list which ones have a positive outcome, which ones have a negative outcome, and which ones have alot of both!
Piccolo:MAKOKAN- MAKAKAPO- MASYASYAP- Ah fuck it SPECIAL BEAM CANNON!
If piccolo killed cell.....gohan would never become ssj2.
Glad that never happened
The thing about the dragon balls that Bulma had during the battle of gods is that it was first prize for the bingo competition, so if bingo was not disrupted some one would win the use of the dragon balls and Sorbet and Tagoma would probably still be able to resurrect Freeza. Also I would imagine that Goku would still want to find out how to be the super saiyan god that Beerus was mentioning by using the dragon balls, as it would give him the chance to be able to fight Beerus evenly. My point is Freeza would be resurrected no matter what, because in both cases the dragon balls would be used and I cannot think of a third possible situation that could come from the battle of gods.
Bulma and Chichi are dressed as the Playboy Bunny. I'm not even going to question it.
Popped in my recommend
Done Perfectly !
The SSJ-G ritual would've brought Goku to the same level of peer that it did before though. Even with SS-J 3 and whatever time he had to train with it, Goku was still laughably weaker than Beerus's. The God Ritual would've brought him to the same "baseline" God power as it did in Battle of Gods, with events ending up almost exactly the same; this could still end with Goku and Vegeta eventually training with Whis... ~_~
*level of power; *weaker than Beerus
"Trunks would live the rest of his life in peace"
Fuckin rip
What was the date that this video was uploaded?
Qwaaman is that a good topic
This was also pretty good.
probably goku and vegeta goes to do fuse into gogeta or vegetto super saiyan 3 to do defeat golden frieza or final form/base form frieza.
I see you point with the "2nd child" theory, but Gohan does mention to himself when he's training with Goten how their mother has changed ever since their father died with Cell's fight. Do you still think Chi-Chi would be as soft with Goten as she was in the series with Goku around? I think she would push Goten with education. I think the only reason for her lenieancy with Goten is was more of a psychological reasoning. I think she was lenient with Goten because she missed Goku and they look identical. With Goku being around, Chi-Chi wouldn't be missing Goku obviously. What do you think Quamaan? I'd also love to hear your theory of the 2nd child. Can you post your link please? Also, please let me know if you agree or if I'm missing something. PS: Love your videos!
*Qaaman
Ah yes, the cell saga, where Piccolo, Tien and Gohan all got their special moments in fucking cell up. But we can't get that now.
actually Babadi would still go to earth not on grounds cause of energy, but because thats where buu's shell was hidden. the supreme kai even stated they knew buus shell was there they left it there because they thought it would be harmless without babadi's father.
hey Qaaman. U make excellent DBZ videos. U r one of the best DBZ TH-camrs! I have a video or 2 requested from u. One of my favorite characters is Nail. Could u please make a video of "if Nail would have fought the Ginyu Force" or more preferably, "if Nail had fought Vegeta at Guru's." Thanks for the consideration! keep the awesome videos coming!!!
future trunksbwould have been killed by black goku