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Vegeta even imortal, can´t survive Hakai, in the manga, Goku almost kill Imortal Zamusu with that , and in that context is the Super Dragon Balls Imortal Wish, the Hakai destroys the Soul, so this mean that in the best case scenario, a imortal , been hit with the hakai, would just be a indestruble body, lifeless without a soul.
Carthu’s Dojo wouldn’t future Gohan go to earth instead of Trunks then? Or do you think he dies because Vegeta wasn’t there to fight the Androids at all?
Redo the video bro goku doesn't die from the heart virus. Because you have him not going to planet yardrat. Also mention that piccolo still emerges with kami because they understand that it's time.
@@Deltastarrman lol I'm pretty sure everyone else is quoting the video "Vegeta's big wish" which android 18 is not in, unless I am missing something here.
jojo reference is hot, but also vegeta would be able to generate ki to heat his body and would just have to beccome used to the pain plus the infinite zenki boost = a monster
Irfan Alddin even if he’s continuously getting hurt, healing be healing and getting stronger as frieza loses power from exertion. It would soon be over for frieza like a day later
I kinda imagine Frieza to be a bit smarter. He would stop and simply tank the hits as Vegeta wails on him to no avail. Maybe experiment with dismemberment and immortality. He can't die but he still doesn't have infinite stamina. Maybe even toss Vegeta into deep space.
@@ShiningJudgment666It’s not that he isn’t smart, it’s just that he would be so mad after losing his chance at immortality to a ‘monkey’ that his judgment would be cloudy, as you said. Although, other reasons like Vegeta’s arrogance and his own powerlessness wouldn’t help either.
I don’t think those solutions would succeed. In the original story, Frieza delays killing Vegeta due to his belief that he had made the wish for immortality but ends up trying it in his final form. In this situation, it would continue similarly until this point, with Vegeta, instead of dying to the Death Beam, getting a Zenkai, putting him at around the level Goku was at when starting to fight Frieza (since zenkai’s are multipliers and 2MIL PL (Vegeta) is close to 3MIL PL (Goku)). At this strength, Vegeta would be able to damage Frieza, just like Goku was originally. Exactly how zenkais work is unknown, but I would assume healing from the brink of exhaustive death would fit the criteria. This would allow Vegeta to quickly reach Frieza’s level, at which point even Vegeta has win cons. He could plummet Frieza into the core of Namek or one of its 3 suns, he could grab Frieza to get him cut up by the Destructo Discs etc. For any immortality queries, Zamasu should be a good enough example. Even Garlic Jr. from the Dead Zone would be a good source of info.
@@CarthusDojo I do wonder what a time traveling gohan would mean for this scenario, say it worked, would it just end with beerus destroying earth because they couldnt make a super saiyan god, or would broly be brought into the fold?
@@VarietySeth thats all assuming paragus wants to live on earth. Its verry possible but also remember Paragus is an old fassion sayain he might WANT to go in space and go planet to planet doing sayain things, maby even volunteering to join the Frieza Force since bro he would give him a very high position wich is also very possible with Paragus old fashioned way of thinking how a sayain should act
If he was floating in space for months/years on end, constantly suffocating and reviving, Vegeta would skyrocket in power...but go utterly insane. It's like an even more unhinged Broly.
“While Vegeta is floating in space, for, what he thinks, till the end of time, he spots a weird statue float by him. He gives it no attention and goes about his infinite loop of suffocating in space.”
I decided to calculate what Vegeta's power level would be by the time Beerus arrived, and here's what I got: Vegeta's power level against Goku was between 200 mil and 250 mil. Carthu said he was only a little stronger that Frieza, so let's put him at 220 mil. Vegeta was left to die over and over in space for 16 years until Beerus found him. There's no evidence to suggest that zenkais have diminishing returns, or that they ever stop happening. I'm already giving Carthu the whole "Frieza's true power was 200 mil" thing, so let's just go with constant zenkais for 16 years. It takes one minute to die in space. Vegeta's body is strong enough that the only thing he would have to regenerate would be his "boiling" blood. Seeing as how it took Zamasu just a few second to completely heal from getting stabbed with a sword, the amount of time it would take Vegeta to regenerate blood would be so small that I can just omit it from my calculations. So this means Vegeta would be getting 1 zenkai every 1 minute for 16 years. That's cool and all, but how large of a boost would he get from each zenkai? Well, I decided to use 4 different tiers of boosts. The smallest tier is a 1.3x boost, like when when Vegeta went from 18,000 to 24,000 after the saiyan saga. The middle tier is an 8x boost, like when Vegeta went from 30,000 to 250,000 after fighting Recoome. The large tier is a 33x boost, like when Goku went from 90,000 to 3 mil after fighting Ginyu. I also decided to do an extra tier just for fun. This one takes takes the zenkai that bardock got between his special and the Chilled movie. He was 10,000 in the special, then he was strong enough to go super saiyan in the Chilled movie, so probably about 3 mil. This is an absurd 300 times multiplier. This gives us: Before 16 years: 220,000,000 Tier 1: 2,405,260,000,000,000 Tier 2: 14,801,600,000,000,000 Tier 3: 61,056,600,000,000,000 Tier 4: 555,060,000,000,000,000 To try and put this into perspective, the number I consider to be Super Vegito's power level in the Buu arc is 25 trillion. I got this after doing my own calculations which happened to line up with power scaling in the show, then finding other people online that got around that same number. Considering how overwhelming powerful Vegito was, I'd say that's a fair number. So, let's add Vegito to that chart. Before 16 years: 220,000,000 Tier 1: 2,405,260,000,000,000 Tier 2: 14,801,600,000,000,000 Tier 3: 61,056,600,000,000,000 Tier 4: 555,060,000,000,000,000 S Vegito: 25,000,000,000,000 SS3V: 200,000,000,000,000 (If Gotenks can go SS3, so can Vegito) When Goku first fought Beerus, he said that he didn't think that even Vegito could beat him. Then, when Goku went SSG, he was confident enough to fight Beerus. This obviously puts SSG Goku(BoG) above Vegito(Buu arc), everyone already knows that. This means that after 16 years, Vegeta was potentially as strong or even stronger that Battle of Gods Goku. If this were to be the case, then perhaps Beerus and Whis would have kept Vegeta around, seeing how strong he was. Sources: science.howstuffworks.com/question540.htm th-cam.com/video/KIk6aPdEWHg/w-d-xo.html 2:15 dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels I couldn't find the Vegito power levels online, and my PL scale isn't finished yet, but when it is and I find the scales I was talking about, I'll put them in here.
《反抗的な心火》 As far as immortal beings are concerned, any normally fatal blow only brings them to near death, so anything that would normally end their life soon, or instantly, instead brings them to near death. And because they’re immortal, they immediately regenerate their wounds and are brought back from the brink of death. There’s a reason Toriyama decided against giving Vegeta immortality and had Guru die before Vegeta could make his wish, as even he realized just how dangerous a Saiyan with immortality could become.
1:15 Vegeta: AYE!!!! WHAT'S UP GUYS?!!! Krillen: I'm never gonna get my hogie Vegeta: So what are you doin? Gohan: What am I doin? Vegeta: What are ya doin? Gohan: Nothing much Vegeta: Thwartin my plans? Gohan: Thwartin your plans? Vegeta: ARE YOU!!!!?
They couldn't because vegeta was stronger than shenron and porunga and they didn't know about the super dragon balls. The only way vegeta could lose his immortality is by wishing himself
@@shaft2139 Couldn't they just wish that a vacuum zone would surround Vegeta at all times? Then it wouldn't matter if he made it to a breathable atmosphere.
@@AGooeyMass the Z-Fighters aren't exactly the smartest. They could have used the Dragon Balls to wipe the Saiyans memories when they were coming in the Saiyan Saga.
I think whis would have done something tho. Even though it not his duty and he is a guide he would be concerned that someone could be as strong as him over hundreds of billions of years. If not whis then Zeno would do something like he did in the goku black arc and wipe the universe out. Yes Vegeta can’t die but Zeno doesn’t kill anyone, he just erases them and unless the immortality in dB is weird I see Vegeta eventually dying/erased.
Feels like after years of dieing every few minutes he should have been more of a challenge for the destroyer. I know it's only base form but it's a really, really stong base form at that point.
Luis Suazo has anyone ever tried that. I’ve always thought that maybe you could kill Deadpool by drowning him. You can kill wolverine by drowning him though
1. Get 2 saiyans with immortality 2. Get 1 namekian who can refresh their energy 3. Get hyperbolic timechamber 4. Put all there and make 2 saiyans fight forever againts each other 5. Take them out always when there is a threat.
Presuming it takes an hour for Vegeta to die, he would of had 140,160 Zenkais As he is dying, his Zenkais should be similar to that of Goku's before his fight against Frieza which was was 33x each time Vegeta would of got 4,625,280x stronger He had a power level of around 220 million By the end of the 16 years, Vegeta would have a powerlevel of 1,017,561,600,000,000. (1 Quintillion)
i messed up my maths. As Vegeta would get a new powerlevel each death, his power would increase even faster If Vegeta has a PL of 100, after one zenkai he would have a PL 3300(33x100). His second Zenkai would then be 108,900(3300x33). Now imagine this 140 thousand times starting at 220 million 220,000,000x33^140,160 (7.26 Billion x 10^140,160) (7.26x10^140,169) Um, Vegeta has a powerlevel so huge it can barely be written. It has 140,169 zero's at the end, like wow, its big
I feel like there's still other realistic scenarios that could've happened, but it seems the what if community wants to switch things up and make things different
@@businessproyects2615 wow, I never thought about it but stars would work as really great beacons for Vegeta to find planets so he wouldn't need to be floating in space all these years
If Vegeta spent years upon years continuously reviving and dying in space, you'd have to imagine that his Zenkai would have been stacking over and over again. Those aren't small boosts either. While each one might seem small in comparison to whatever his base would have become after that time, it would still be making him stronger and stronger. I can't imagine Vegeta wouldn't have somehow had enough rage build up inside him that he wouldn't be able to become Super Saiyan the instant it was possible. Now you take a Super Saiyan Vegeta who has been getting zenkai boosts continously for... what? Almost 16 years? The man would probably strong enough to make Beerus think he is "The Super Saiyan God" as is.
I thought that being in this endless loop of dying and reviving for many years would have made Vegeta Monstrously Strong, being able to go head to head with Beerus. That's where I thought you were going with this..
@@Solesteam It's this meme in the DB community where Farmer With A Shotgun, the guy Raditz ran into when he landed on Earth, is secretly the strongest character in the series.
I'm pretty sure with how Vegeta would just keep getting Zenkais in space, he'd become like a growing beacon of power that Babidi would find and enslave.
Frieza would probably make his suffer for quite awhile before he got strong enough to fight back and start winning . . . though yeah, the blowing up the planet thing, Vegeta would probably regret having immortality at that point with no air to breathe, lol.
- Goku should've escaped to Yardrat - Vegeta should've crash landed on another planet after Namek (not Yardrat or Vampa) - future Gohan should've went back in the time machine
@@VarietySeth just make it a universe where Gohan survives. Just make that universe a what if. In canon he doesn't survive, but there are videos about what if Gohan survived. Why not include that in this what if as well?
He would beat frieza without going super sayain and then he would wish to remove the immortality once he gets to earth... But if you say for some reason shenron cant undo the wish then goku would pretty much beat everybody and vegeta would probably give up on ever surpassing goku. Goku would probably let buu out just out of boredom since he can die. But then goku would be turned into candy and the rest of earth would be in trouble. Because of gokus immortality gohan never trained, vegeta lost the majority of his motivation to train, piccolo never fused with kami, and nobody went in the time chamber during the cell saga so without goku earth would be in serious trouble. Although you could say that with goku out of the picture vegeta would take the opportunity to step up and make him self immortal as well. He would know to avoid the candy beam and he would kill majin buu. Goku would be turned to normal and vegeta would finally regain his motivation to surpass goku since the playing field is even because they are both immortal. When Beerus comes to earth he would have a much darker view of the super sayain god. Because the vision beerus had was of a future rival someone that could match him in power and so if that person is immortal then that is a huge threat to him and beerus would consider this when fighting them. He would not give them any zenkais amd would be hesitant when they come on his planet to train. But we know Beerus can seal them in the z sword so he would be too afraid. When frieza learns of goku being immortal he sends his troops to gather shenron another time to make himself immortal aswell so that it can be am even fight. During the one year it takes to summon shenron frieza would be training and goku and vegeta would win the tournament against universe 6 with no problem. However an immortal goku black would be a problem and the mafuba or zeno would be the only option to deal with him. Frieza would attack earth and would get mad since the fight would never end so he would either blow up earth or get sealed away by mafuba or z sword. With an immortal body goku could push his. Super sayain blue kaioken so far that he would surpass every one in the tournament of power including jiren meaning universe 7 wins regardless of who is on the team assumimg jiren doesnt hold on to goku and take them both off stage. Even if he does Universe 7 would probably win amd everything would be fine. Goku or vegeta would live forever and one of them would become god of destruction. While the other lives on earth. Eventually both goku amd vegeta would out live every one of their friemds and family amd they might use super shenron to undo the immortality so that they can die amd be with their families once again.
12:00 Vegeta never returned to Earth. He became half-paralysed, half-immortal and floated forever through space. And though he wished for death, he was unable to die. So eventually, he stopped thinking.
10:46 Honestly I agree. Future Trunks stated int he anime that Zamasu was healing at an immensely fast rate, and in the manga Zamasu could heal yeah but still take damage. Along with that if Goku shot off a really powerful attack it could kill Vegeta, or simply did enough damage to the point where Vegeta's immortality couldn't do anything. So I kinda like that part. I know he lives in space but why didn't they just wish for Vegeta's to go away and let him suffocate. I know it's dark but still.
It’s quite perfect! I’ve always wondered what it would be like if saiyans were immortal and they could constantly get stronger as they’re able to heal themselves, and never die.
I wonder if goku would wish for immortality himself, so he'll forever fight vegeta to protect the earth. I mean he'd probably love it, an eternal battle against a constantly improving opponent, he can go all out and vegeta can do the same
David Larkin pure of heart is literally part of the legend it went along with the idea that super saiyans need to be pure of heart it’s likely it’s another part of a legend that was more than likely meant to scare evil saiyans from even trying to do it
What if Potars fusion was permanent, even the dragon balls can’t undo them, maybe the super dragon balls but for the purposes of the story potara fusion is never undone
Well, the Super Dragon Balls, in so far as we currently know, have literally no limitations on the wishes that they can grant, except that the wish must be stated in the language of the angels.
Insertnamehere I absolutely love your comment, I think it’s a treat as I’m usually the sort of person who replies to other people’s comments with a lengthy explanation of a what if. So thank you very much for taking the time out of your day to write this, I really appreciate it. I’ll be writing my own version of this scenario on google docs (I’m afraid I’ll accidently delete the comment part way through typing it) and copy paste it as my own reply
Ok so. A few questions. 1. Why didn’t they also use the dragon balls to take away Vegeta’s immortality? 2. Even if there was no Trunks, wouldn’t Gohan (who would’ve been a Super Saiyan) or Bulma have gone back in time instead? What’s stopping them from doing so? 3. With humanity and all of the Z-fighters being mostly wiped out, wouldn’t that have stopped Babbidi from going to Earth in the first place? Since there were no major sources of energy to collect?
Technically vegeta wouldn't get any zenkai boost due to the damage done to him healing instantly. But he can get insane zenkai boosts if he just pieces his heart with a laser and revive
Being immortal means he’s never close to dying (since he CAN’T die) which means he shouldn’t have gotten ANY Zenkai Boosts, it’s a BIG problem with this What If
But did Vegeta think about the implications does he regenerate and what if his head is cut of does he become a head you really need to think about the implications
Wait, what? If immortality is basically rapid regeneration from any would-be fatal injury, then how exactly would that protect Vegeta from w GoD's Hakai, which completely destroys both the body and soul of the target?
jruler93 Beerus stated he can’t kill an immortal so regardless of if it makes sense to you or not, the series said an immortal cannot be killed by the Hakai.
Carthu's Dojo Oh okay. Thanks for explaining it to me. I haven't watched Super, and while I've been spoiled to HFIL and back on most of the major details of the series, I'm not aware of a lot of the more minor details like that.
The Future Trunks timeline would still happen, but it would be the Future Gohan timeline. Bulma would still make her time machine, and Gohan would not sacrifice himself protecting Trunks. Gohan using the time machine was actually the original plan before he died. Even if we assume that Gohan somehow dies, all that means is that Bulma would use the time machine herself.
Ah yes, vegeta, a man who could instantly destroy the earth in the saiyan arc, (piccolo instantly destroyed the earth before the saiyans got to earth) cannot destroy a small mountain, makes sense.
Tbh goku could have gotten a small zenkai before he became a super saiyan He arguably took more damage in that entire fight than frieza took from the spirit bomb, he was beaten around by frieza when he had no energy to fight anymore and he pushed his body to x20 kaioken so it's very possible that just like 120 million frieza wasn't likely at full power, 150 million goku wasn't at full power either
I would just imagine that immortality means he doesn't need food or air and thus wouldn't really be getting any zenkai boosts or anything. Immortality would be a big nerf to a Saiyan.
It definitely would, being immortal means you can’t die, if you can’t die than you can’t come close to dying and if you can’t come close to dying than no Zenkai Boosts
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Vegeta even imortal, can´t survive Hakai, in the manga, Goku almost kill Imortal Zamusu with that , and in that context is the Super Dragon Balls Imortal Wish, the Hakai destroys the Soul, so this mean that in the best case scenario, a imortal , been hit with the hakai, would just be a indestruble body, lifeless without a soul.
Carthu’s Dojo wouldn’t future Gohan go to earth instead of Trunks then? Or do you think he dies because Vegeta wasn’t there to fight the Androids at all?
Goku wouldn't get the heart virus if he died on namek because he only caught the virus from being in the toxic planet of yardrat
The heart Virus is not an issue right, as Goku never went to that planet?
Redo the video bro goku doesn't die from the heart virus. Because you have him not going to planet yardrat. Also mention that piccolo still emerges with kami because they understand that it's time.
"have you considered the implications?"
-Gohan
"Have you considered the implications?"
-Krillin
“Have you considered the implications?”
-Frieza
"have you considered the implications?'"
-Goku
@@brayden9358 have you considered the implications? -android 18
@@Deltastarrman lol I'm pretty sure everyone else is quoting the video "Vegeta's big wish" which android 18 is not in, unless I am missing something here.
"Vegeta would forever float through space, begging for a death that would never come. Eventually, Vegeta stopped thinking."
My grandpa told me the same thing as you but instead of vegeta it was a vampire named kars
@@dolphinloverjotaro5718 That's the point. They had the same fate.
@@theultimatememelord5494 so what will vegeta think when they meet each other will kars return to earth with the help of vegeta?
@@dolphinloverjotaro5718 For the sake of the planet, let's hope not.
jojo reference is hot, but also vegeta would be able to generate ki to heat his body and would just have to beccome used to the pain plus the infinite zenki boost = a monster
Dam, imagine dying and reviving constantly in the vacuum of space, seems like hell
Vegeta: "Work... through... the... Pain..."
Imagine if he somehow became stronger than the void of space? :P
Hey Kars from Jojo did it and he turned out terribly.
@@GaldenX Eventually, Vegeta stopped thinking.
* gets to earth * UNDO THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW
Vegeta is the definition of what doesn't kill me makes me stronger
You got that profile picture from they don't want to see me fall amv
@@BRONZETOAST I got it off google images...
@@papiaundreay9313 who pit that scar on your back kakarot, was it chi chi
LOL FR! xD
No saiyans
TH-cam: How many times do we need to teach you this lesson old man
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Nathan Chao-Lam how many loads of bread have you’ve eaten in your life?
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@Lazer Luke basically his first video of this gotten taken down
*vegeta gains immortality*
"But did you consider the implications..."
Even Goku said it lol
WHAT IMPLICATIONS?!
Zenkai boost plus immortality would be op up until the battle of gods arc.
@Irfan Alddin yes omg yes
Zenkai boost won't work I assume. He is immortal so he can't be near death, or can he?
@Irfan Alddin tf is this weird fanfiction shit youre speaking
@@Rapid98k He will still get stronger
Irfan Alddin even if he’s continuously getting hurt, healing be healing and getting stronger as frieza loses power from exertion. It would soon be over for frieza like a day later
Vegeta should have thought of the implications of becoming immortal
Solid jj
I kinda imagine Frieza to be a bit smarter. He would stop and simply tank the hits as Vegeta wails on him to no avail. Maybe experiment with dismemberment and immortality. He can't die but he still doesn't have infinite stamina. Maybe even toss Vegeta into deep space.
Frieza wasn't that smart at that point in time plus I'm pretty sure he was enraged which would've clouded his judgment anyway.
@@ShiningJudgment666It’s not that he isn’t smart, it’s just that he would be so mad after losing his chance at immortality to a ‘monkey’ that his judgment would be cloudy, as you said. Although, other reasons like Vegeta’s arrogance and his own powerlessness wouldn’t help either.
I don’t think those solutions would succeed. In the original story, Frieza delays killing Vegeta due to his belief that he had made the wish for immortality but ends up trying it in his final form. In this situation, it would continue similarly until this point, with Vegeta, instead of dying to the Death Beam, getting a Zenkai, putting him at around the level Goku was at when starting to fight Frieza (since zenkai’s are multipliers and 2MIL PL (Vegeta) is close to 3MIL PL (Goku)). At this strength, Vegeta would be able to damage Frieza, just like Goku was originally. Exactly how zenkais work is unknown, but I would assume healing from the brink of exhaustive death would fit the criteria. This would allow Vegeta to quickly reach Frieza’s level, at which point even Vegeta has win cons. He could plummet Frieza into the core of Namek or one of its 3 suns, he could grab Frieza to get him cut up by the Destructo Discs etc.
For any immortality queries, Zamasu should be a good enough example. Even Garlic Jr. from the Dead Zone would be a good source of info.
"But what if you really wanted to die, monkey? I mean, what if you were just...a head or something?"
- Lord Frieza
I'd have thought gohan would have been careful if there was no trunks as a back up hope
Maybe but I doubt it. He was trying too hard to be Goku
@@CarthusDojo I do wonder what a time traveling gohan would mean for this scenario, say it worked, would it just end with beerus destroying earth because they couldnt make a super saiyan god, or would broly be brought into the fold?
@@VarietySeth thats all assuming paragus wants to live on earth. Its verry possible but also remember Paragus is an old fassion sayain he might WANT to go in space and go planet to planet doing sayain things, maby even volunteering to join the Frieza Force since bro he would give him a very high position wich is also very possible with Paragus old fashioned way of thinking how a sayain should act
@@CarthusDojo Goku wouldn't get the heart virus
@@stephgames4036 why not? It's an Earth virus.
If he was floating in space for months/years on end, constantly suffocating and reviving, Vegeta would skyrocket in power...but go utterly insane. It's like an even more unhinged Broly.
he can definitely make it to another planet cuz hes immortal and can still use ki while suffocating
@@michaelasnicar6684exactly what i was thinking of
“While Vegeta is floating in space, for, what he thinks, till the end of time, he spots a weird statue float by him. He gives it no attention and goes about his infinite loop of suffocating in space.”
Eventually, Vegeta stopped thinking.
the ultimate crossover
JoJo Reference??😳
Is that jojo reference!!!!!
@The Tyro of Toriyama shut up
Imagine vegeta got zenkais from lack of oxygen he would be so op!!!!!!!!
I'm imagining him gaining so much power that it eventually collapses in upon itself like a black hole. Vegeta literally becoming his own galaxy.
Good thing that’s not how zenkais work lmao
Eventually he would evolve to breath in space.
@@CydonianKnights11 but that would take soo long lol
@Nathan Terrelonge-Tillery Raaaaa!!!
I decided to calculate what Vegeta's power level would be by the time Beerus arrived, and here's what I got:
Vegeta's power level against Goku was between 200 mil and 250 mil. Carthu said he was only a little stronger that Frieza,
so let's put him at 220 mil. Vegeta was left to die over and over in space for 16 years until Beerus found him. There's no evidence to suggest that zenkais have diminishing returns, or that they ever stop happening. I'm already giving Carthu the whole "Frieza's true power was 200 mil" thing, so let's just go with constant zenkais for 16 years.
It takes one minute to die in space. Vegeta's body is strong enough that the only thing he would have to regenerate would be his "boiling" blood. Seeing as how it took Zamasu just a few second to completely heal from getting stabbed with a sword, the amount of time it would take Vegeta to regenerate blood would be so small that I can just omit it from my calculations.
So this means Vegeta would be getting 1 zenkai every 1 minute for 16 years. That's cool and all, but how large of a boost would he get from each zenkai? Well, I decided to use 4 different tiers of boosts. The smallest tier is a 1.3x boost, like when when Vegeta went from 18,000 to 24,000 after the saiyan saga. The middle tier is an 8x boost, like when Vegeta went from 30,000 to 250,000 after fighting Recoome. The large tier is a 33x boost, like when Goku went from 90,000 to 3 mil after fighting Ginyu. I also decided to do an extra tier just for fun. This one takes takes the zenkai that bardock got between his special and the Chilled movie. He was 10,000 in the special, then he was strong enough to go super saiyan in the Chilled movie, so probably about 3 mil. This is an absurd 300 times multiplier.
This gives us:
Before 16 years: 220,000,000
Tier 1: 2,405,260,000,000,000
Tier 2: 14,801,600,000,000,000
Tier 3: 61,056,600,000,000,000
Tier 4: 555,060,000,000,000,000
To try and put this into perspective, the number I consider to be Super Vegito's power level in the Buu arc is 25 trillion.
I got this after doing my own calculations which happened to line up with power scaling in the show, then finding other people online that got around that same number. Considering how overwhelming powerful Vegito was, I'd say that's a fair number. So, let's add Vegito to that chart.
Before 16 years: 220,000,000
Tier 1: 2,405,260,000,000,000
Tier 2: 14,801,600,000,000,000
Tier 3: 61,056,600,000,000,000
Tier 4: 555,060,000,000,000,000
S Vegito: 25,000,000,000,000
SS3V: 200,000,000,000,000
(If Gotenks can go SS3, so can Vegito)
When Goku first fought Beerus, he said that he didn't think that even Vegito could beat him. Then, when Goku went SSG, he was confident enough to fight Beerus. This obviously puts SSG Goku(BoG) above Vegito(Buu arc), everyone already knows that.
This means that after 16 years, Vegeta was potentially as strong or even stronger that Battle of Gods Goku. If this were to be the case, then perhaps Beerus and Whis would have kept Vegeta around, seeing how strong he was.
Sources: science.howstuffworks.com/question540.htm
th-cam.com/video/KIk6aPdEWHg/w-d-xo.html 2:15
dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Power_Levels
I couldn't find the Vegito power levels online, and my PL scale isn't finished yet, but when it is and I find the scales I was talking about, I'll put them in here.
This needs more likes how long did it take to calculate all of this information
Man that took a while surely, Thank you for this my good guy
So basically vegeta would steal the role of protagonist from goku?
Dayum just....dayum...
your that one student that the math teacher would fear when giving you a test
@@chromedgoldenbug3097 ?
Imagine the amount of zenkais Vegeta gets every minute in space.
LMFAO fr! xD
@Luis Suazo True tho. Zenkais only work for near death experiences, not death.
Unfortunately for him, however, zenkais ONLY work for NEAR death experiences, and NOT death.
ZeroCold Gg the floor is made of floor but not really
《反抗的な心火》 As far as immortal beings are concerned, any normally fatal blow only brings them to near death, so anything that would normally end their life soon, or instantly, instead brings them to near death. And because they’re immortal, they immediately regenerate their wounds and are brought back from the brink of death. There’s a reason Toriyama decided against giving Vegeta immortality and had Guru die before Vegeta could make his wish, as even he realized just how dangerous a Saiyan with immortality could become.
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@@CarthusDojo meanwhile on Lord Beerus’s planet he’s asleep.
@@CarthusDojo You welcome.
1:15
Vegeta: AYE!!!! WHAT'S UP GUYS?!!!
Krillen: I'm never gonna get my hogie
Vegeta: So what are you doin?
Gohan: What am I doin?
Vegeta: What are ya doin?
Gohan: Nothing much
Vegeta: Thwartin my plans?
Gohan: Thwartin your plans?
Vegeta: ARE YOU!!!!?
Yes
Gohan: yes
Vegeta: I’M GONNA F***ING KILL YOU!!!
Vegeta: But first I am going to get my wish of immortality, or I will BREAK. HIS. NECK.
Krillin: And for our last wish...
Vegeta: You'll give me immortality, *OR I'LL MURDER HIS PARENTS!*
Little Green: Joke is on you...
Vegeta gets to earth:
Vegeta: YESSS NO ONE CAN STOP ME!!!
Piccolo:are you seeing this bottle ?
Vegeta:Yes,so?
Piccolo:Great!MAFUBA?
I'm placing it on the ground, You see it ?
Yes
“But have you thought of the implications”
Vegeta: ALRIGHT ALREADY DRAGON TAKE IT ALL BAAAAACCKKK!!!
@@nimbvsalex2635 Yes! Finally someone who got the reference!
@@noobshateme644 😭😭
They didnt wish his immortality away?
They couldn't because vegeta was stronger than shenron and porunga and they didn't know about the super dragon balls. The only way vegeta could lose his immortality is by wishing himself
@@shaft2139 Couldn't they just wish that a vacuum zone would surround Vegeta at all times?
Then it wouldn't matter if he made it to a breathable atmosphere.
@@AGooeyMass the Z-Fighters aren't exactly the smartest. They could have used the Dragon Balls to wipe the Saiyans memories when they were coming in the Saiyan Saga.
@@davidlarkin1040 they couldn't the sayans where stronger than shenron so he couldn't mess with them
@@TheGotreck makes sense... but the Saiyans aren't the smartest mentally, couldn't Shenron manipulate their minds, just not their bodies?
Immortality just got nerfed so much.
Vegeta: I... I AM FINALLY IMMO-
Z fighters: *MaFUba!!1!11!*
Vegeta: N-NANI?!
Beerus: *HAKAI*
@@opadrip Doesn't work.
@@IndigoStorm27 It would work
@@austriandude9883 Do you watch the anime, or even read the manga?
I was thinking it would be vegeta kills everyone and becomes ruler of the universe
Nah that’s kinda Masako’s take on the story of if Vegeta stayed evil
Anikan Ketchum then Zeno erases him in the end
Insertnamehere wtf are you talking about? At all ends after the buu saga..
@@Pusfilth oh yeah buu could just absirb vegeta and get imortal hinself
I think whis would have done something tho. Even though it not his duty and he is a guide he would be concerned that someone could be as strong as him over hundreds of billions of years. If not whis then Zeno would do something like he did in the goku black arc and wipe the universe out. Yes Vegeta can’t die but Zeno doesn’t kill anyone, he just erases them and unless the immortality in dB is weird I see Vegeta eventually dying/erased.
Feels like after years of dieing every few minutes he should have been more of a challenge for the destroyer. I know it's only base form but it's a really, really stong base form at that point.
That's not how zenkais work
"Ok, but did you consider the implications?"
Frieza said it best “not being able to die would likely result in un ending misery”
If immortality in DB is basically extremely fast healing, wouldnt that mean that Vegeta can't heal without oxygen?
Well if your entire body gets erasesd is there really any oxygen.
Luis Suazo has anyone ever tried that. I’ve always thought that maybe you could kill Deadpool by drowning him. You can kill wolverine by drowning him though
@@illbadger2076 you can?! How does that work
@@SploogeCannon The same way it works on any other normal Joe
@@av8r195 encasing wolverine in adamantium killed him. Cells need Oxygen to function, if his cells can't function then he can't regenerate.
1. Get 2 saiyans with immortality 2. Get 1 namekian who can refresh their energy 3. Get hyperbolic timechamber 4. Put all there and make 2 saiyans fight forever againts each other 5. Take them out always when there is a threat.
Since Vegeta has been dying on repeat and getting Zenkais for around 16 years straight, shouldn’t he at least pose a challenge to Beerus?
He still only has base form.... Plus his body would probably get used to it and the zenkais would either get really small or just flat out stop
Presuming it takes an hour for Vegeta to die, he would of had 140,160 Zenkais
As he is dying, his Zenkais should be similar to that of Goku's before his fight against Frieza which was was 33x each time
Vegeta would of got 4,625,280x stronger
He had a power level of around 220 million
By the end of the 16 years, Vegeta would have a powerlevel of 1,017,561,600,000,000. (1 Quintillion)
he hasnt been dying. thats what the wish was for
i messed up my maths. As Vegeta would get a new powerlevel each death, his power would increase even faster
If Vegeta has a PL of 100, after one zenkai he would have a PL 3300(33x100). His second Zenkai would then be 108,900(3300x33). Now imagine this 140 thousand times starting at 220 million
220,000,000x33^140,160
(7.26 Billion x 10^140,160)
(7.26x10^140,169)
Um, Vegeta has a powerlevel so huge it can barely be written. It has 140,169 zero's at the end, like wow, its big
@@freewyvern707 wow, you're smart.
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"But did you consider the implications?"
Solid jj
"GOD DAMNIIIIIIIIIT!!!!"
I love how any story that involves Vegeta gaining extreme power BEFORE his redemption always ends up with Beerus disposing of him somehow.
Ok but did you consider the implications?
I feel like there's still other realistic scenarios that could've happened, but it seems the what if community wants to switch things up and make things different
I love how vegeta’s immortality backfired when he ended up in space
He could just flew off to some star, then to another one, and given how many aliens there's in dragon ball he would had found someone.
@@businessproyects2615 wow, I never thought about it but stars would work as really great beacons for Vegeta to find planets so he wouldn't need to be floating in space all these years
If Vegeta spent years upon years continuously reviving and dying in space, you'd have to imagine that his Zenkai would have been stacking over and over again. Those aren't small boosts either. While each one might seem small in comparison to whatever his base would have become after that time, it would still be making him stronger and stronger. I can't imagine Vegeta wouldn't have somehow had enough rage build up inside him that he wouldn't be able to become Super Saiyan the instant it was possible.
Now you take a Super Saiyan Vegeta who has been getting zenkai boosts continously for... what? Almost 16 years? The man would probably strong enough to make Beerus think he is "The Super Saiyan God" as is.
Finally a time line where vegeta is the strong one
and the dead one :D
I thought that being in this endless loop of dying and reviving for many years would have made Vegeta Monstrously Strong, being able to go head to head with Beerus. That's where I thought you were going with this..
If vegetables were imortal farmers will be in a heap of trouble.
Whoever makes the farmer with a shotgun joke is gay
All, clear bomb has been defused, no farmer with shutgun jokes insight
@@StanTheBland what's the farmer with a shotgun joke?
Wait I'd be better off not knowing
@@Solesteam It's this meme in the DB community where Farmer With A Shotgun, the guy Raditz ran into when he landed on Earth, is secretly the strongest character in the series.
What about the implications ?
I'm pretty sure with how Vegeta would just keep getting Zenkais in space, he'd become like a growing beacon of power that Babidi would find and enslave.
Carthu out here building a better universe than the mcu
It's just hilarious thinking of Vegeta just dieing and reviving constantly it's pretty sad to say the least 🤷🏿♂️😭
That's hard training for him.
It's well-deserved.
That's worse than death. It's endless torture.
Frieza would probably make his suffer for quite awhile before he got strong enough to fight back and start winning . . . though yeah, the blowing up the planet thing, Vegeta would probably regret having immortality at that point with no air to breathe, lol.
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- Goku should've escaped to Yardrat
- Vegeta should've crash landed on another planet after Namek (not Yardrat or Vampa)
- future Gohan should've went back in the time machine
Goku blew himself up, he died he couldn't escape... As for the others your right
@@ojpickle5923 he meant the story should have played out differently
@@VarietySeth in Gohan's timeline he could have just not lost his arm or be crippled from the Androids.
@@VarietySeth just make it a universe where Gohan survives. Just make that universe a what if. In canon he doesn't survive, but there are videos about what if Gohan survived. Why not include that in this what if as well?
But gohan would still die from the fight on the future resulting from only f bulma going back, but that will just give them to live 1 arc
What if Goku was made immortal so dende thought that instead of Vegeta being immortal a better thing would be for Goku to be immortal
i always thought it made no sense not to wish for goku's immortality instead of wishing for piccolo to come to Namek
This is Golden
@@theopulentone1573 This is Golden Frieza*
He would beat frieza without going super sayain and then he would wish to remove the immortality once he gets to earth... But if you say for some reason shenron cant undo the wish then goku would pretty much beat everybody and vegeta would probably give up on ever surpassing goku. Goku would probably let buu out just out of boredom since he can die. But then goku would be turned into candy and the rest of earth would be in trouble. Because of gokus immortality gohan never trained, vegeta lost the majority of his motivation to train, piccolo never fused with kami, and nobody went in the time chamber during the cell saga so without goku earth would be in serious trouble. Although you could say that with goku out of the picture vegeta would take the opportunity to step up and make him self immortal as well. He would know to avoid the candy beam and he would kill majin buu. Goku would be turned to normal and vegeta would finally regain his motivation to surpass goku since the playing field is even because they are both immortal. When Beerus comes to earth he would have a much darker view of the super sayain god. Because the vision beerus had was of a future rival someone that could match him in power and so if that person is immortal then that is a huge threat to him and beerus would consider this when fighting them. He would not give them any zenkais amd would be hesitant when they come on his planet to train. But we know Beerus can seal them in the z sword so he would be too afraid. When frieza learns of goku being immortal he sends his troops to gather shenron another time to make himself immortal aswell so that it can be am even fight. During the one year it takes to summon shenron frieza would be training and goku and vegeta would win the tournament against universe 6 with no problem. However an immortal goku black would be a problem and the mafuba or zeno would be the only option to deal with him. Frieza would attack earth and would get mad since the fight would never end so he would either blow up earth or get sealed away by mafuba or z sword. With an immortal body goku could push his. Super sayain blue kaioken so far that he would surpass every one in the tournament of power including jiren meaning universe 7 wins regardless of who is on the team assumimg jiren doesnt hold on to goku and take them both off stage. Even if he does Universe 7 would probably win amd everything would be fine. Goku or vegeta would live forever and one of them would become god of destruction. While the other lives on earth. Eventually both goku amd vegeta would out live every one of their friemds and family amd they might use super shenron to undo the immortality so that they can die amd be with their families once again.
@@elides1437 *This Is Golden Frieza, the last you will ever see!!
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“Ok but did you consider the implications?”
“But what of the implications-“
“GODDAMMITTTTT!!!!”
These are awesome. You do a great job with them!
Otherwise known as, what if vegeta didn’t think of the implications
12:00 Vegeta never returned to Earth. He became half-paralysed, half-immortal and floated forever through space. And though he wished for death, he was unable to die. So eventually, he stopped thinking.
That's a pretty solid analysis!
10:46 Honestly I agree.
Future Trunks stated int he anime that Zamasu was healing at an immensely fast rate, and in the manga Zamasu could heal yeah but still take damage. Along with that if Goku shot off a really powerful attack it could kill Vegeta, or simply did enough damage to the point where Vegeta's immortality couldn't do anything.
So I kinda like that part. I know he lives in space but why didn't they just wish for Vegeta's to go away and let him suffocate. I know it's dark but still.
It’s quite perfect! I’ve always wondered what it would be like if saiyans were immortal and they could constantly get stronger as they’re able to heal themselves, and never die.
He didn't think about the implications
Sleeping Vegeta: *snore* first the immortality... *snore* ...then the bitches.
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I wonder if goku would wish for immortality himself, so he'll forever fight vegeta to protect the earth. I mean he'd probably love it, an eternal battle against a constantly improving opponent, he can go all out and vegeta can do the same
Have you thought of the implications Vegeta?
That’s crazy just dying and reviving
Masakox: Immortal vegeta rendition is too long
Carthy dojo: this rendition sounds cooler
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Nice video but did vegeta consider the implications
Did anyone get this vid after watching “vegeta’s big wish”?
I guess present Vegeta will be released, once they realize that they need him for the Saiyan God ritual.
But he still wouldn't be pure of heart.
@@davidlarkin1040 this ^
David Larkin pure of heart is literally part of the legend it went along with the idea that super saiyans need to be pure of heart it’s likely it’s another part of a legend that was more than likely meant to scare evil saiyans from even trying to do it
"dying and reviving due to lack of oxygen."
That sounds cruel and tortuous
He’s suffering a fate worse than death.
“Have you thought of the implications?”
Goodness, Vegeta in space is much more horrendous than losing oxygen. Imagine your body just... Boiling alive.
Vegeta: Finally I'm immortal!
Frieza: Okay (Blows the Namek instantly)
Probably the true ending
What if Potars fusion was permanent, even the dragon balls can’t undo them, maybe the super dragon balls but for the purposes of the story potara fusion is never undone
Unles they can get tarble for the super sayain god ritual then they will be one sayain short and earth will be destroyed so no dragon ball
Well, the Super Dragon Balls, in so far as we currently know, have literally no limitations on the wishes that they can grant, except that the wish must be stated in the language of the angels.
Insertnamehere what in the fuck man, who in the hell is gonna read that
Insertnamehere I absolutely love your comment, I think it’s a treat as I’m usually the sort of person who replies to other people’s comments with a lengthy explanation of a what if. So thank you very much for taking the time out of your day to write this, I really appreciate it. I’ll be writing my own version of this scenario on google docs (I’m afraid I’ll accidently delete the comment part way through typing it) and copy paste it as my own reply
Supreme Crappy I read it!
3:43 Realizing now that Goku just blew Zamasu's head clean off without hesitation.
But have you considered the implications-
What if Vegeta while floating in space was found by the big Gete star. Imagine his immortality and the technology of the Big Gete star.
"But what about the implications"
wait so vegeta was just in space for 20 years.
imagine TFS vegeta respawning for years, “work…thru…the-“ *dies* “pain”
16 years actually since Namek arc is Age 762 and Battle of Gods is Age 778.
Ok so. A few questions.
1. Why didn’t they also use the dragon balls to take away Vegeta’s immortality?
2. Even if there was no Trunks, wouldn’t Gohan (who would’ve been a Super Saiyan) or Bulma have gone back in time instead? What’s stopping them from doing so?
3. With humanity and all of the Z-fighters being mostly wiped out, wouldn’t that have stopped Babbidi from going to Earth in the first place? Since there were no major sources of energy to collect?
Vegeta constantly dying from lack oxygen over and over for years is historical🤣🤣🤣
Technically vegeta wouldn't get any zenkai boost due to the damage done to him healing instantly. But he can get insane zenkai boosts if he just pieces his heart with a laser and revive
Self inflicted injuries don't count for zenkais
Being immortal means he’s never close to dying (since he CAN’T die) which means he shouldn’t have gotten ANY Zenkai Boosts, it’s a BIG problem with this What If
Carthu I’m a huge fan I love your what ifs
Eyyy you got it done while TH-cam was messing with copyright. It was a very good what if my man!
*any character becomes immortal*
Carthu: "THAT BITCH GETTING Z-SWORDED"
"Dying and reviving in a endless loop"
Reminds me of a specific Italian boss with pink hair.
You guys are EVERYWHERE
And the floating in space thing...
Reminds me of a certain aztec stripper god who is also the ultimate lifeform.
I'm surprised the thought of wishing for Vegeta's immortality to be undone was presented.
This is too good!
So your telling me
If Vegeta Didnt Fuck Bulma
THE UNIVERSE WOULD BE SCREWED?
But did Vegeta think about the implications does he regenerate and what if his head is cut of does he become a head you really need to think about the implications
“Kakerot do you think a dye job and hair gel
is gonna stop me !”
Wait, what? If immortality is basically rapid regeneration from any would-be fatal injury, then how exactly would that protect Vegeta from w GoD's Hakai, which completely destroys both the body and soul of the target?
jruler93 It wouldn’t.
jruler93 Beerus stated he can’t kill an immortal so regardless of if it makes sense to you or not, the series said an immortal cannot be killed by the Hakai.
Carthu's Dojo Oh okay. Thanks for explaining it to me. I haven't watched Super, and while I've been spoiled to HFIL and back on most of the major details of the series, I'm not aware of a lot of the more minor details like that.
@Luis Suazo whis can seal immortal being in a pocket dimension
@@CarthusDojo he did when can you provide a link
The Future Trunks timeline would still happen, but it would be the Future Gohan timeline. Bulma would still make her time machine, and Gohan would not sacrifice himself protecting Trunks. Gohan using the time machine was actually the original plan before he died.
Even if we assume that Gohan somehow dies, all that means is that Bulma would use the time machine herself.
what about the implications?
Like, what if you were a head or something?
Ah yes, vegeta, a man who could instantly destroy the earth in the saiyan arc, (piccolo instantly destroyed the earth before the saiyans got to earth) cannot destroy a small mountain, makes sense.
Tbh goku could have gotten a small zenkai before he became a super saiyan
He arguably took more damage in that entire fight than frieza took from the spirit bomb, he was beaten around by frieza when he had no energy to fight anymore and he pushed his body to x20 kaioken so it's very possible that just like 120 million frieza wasn't likely at full power, 150 million goku wasn't at full power either
4:50 That is a pretty good Frieza voice.
But have you considered the implications?
*A wish cannot be beyond the power of the creator of the dragon*
The creator of the dragon: *Refuses to train*
I would just imagine that immortality means he doesn't need food or air and thus wouldn't really be getting any zenkai boosts or anything. Immortality would be a big nerf to a Saiyan.
It definitely would, being immortal means you can’t die, if you can’t die than you can’t come close to dying and if you can’t come close to dying than no Zenkai Boosts
i don't feel like frieza would be stupid enough to keep messing with Vegeta and would just chuck him into space.