It's pretty sad that Atlantis and treasure planet went under because they're both pretty ambitious films but as you mentioned it's kinda pointless to remake them when all the magic with animation is gone
100% even if they dusted off the script for treasure planet 2 from the disney vault, i wouldnt trust them to do it just now that everything they do is either he most soulless, middle of the road thing imaginable or a complete bastardization of the previous world EDIT: wow... i need to stop commenting mid video
Everytime I see someone say let’s remake these 2 movies, I roll my eyes because even if they were to make these as live action movies, the animated movies would still be more mature and epic because they were made by people with balls back in the day instead of the creatively bankrupt wet towels that make movies like strange world
@@ihavenoname.6078 because even in cgi, this movie could not be replicated, perhaps the story could be retold but it would have to be done differently.
Exactly I’ll watch these two underrated gems any time, any day. Over the trend crap we currently have that passes as movies today. Why can’t we get more movies like these. No musical sequences. No corny or predictable cliches we are all used to at this point.
One thing that struck me as a kid for Atlantis was how raw the actions scenes were. Disney went from only having one person dying being a focal point to Atlantis literally having over 3/4 of the initial sub crew getting killed by the Leviathan within the first half of the movie. It was brutal but so action packed at the same time.
One of the best aspects of Atlantis in my opinion was the design, a good amount of which was done by Mike Mignola who created hellboy, and I love that you can see the direct influence in the art style of the movie. If Atlantis was turned into a series with the attention and care of something like Andor it could really work.
You know, I was looking at the remake idea too much in the framework of the modern live action Disney remake we've been getting but I think a series that explores the worlds of these movies in some way could be done well now that you mention it
@@YungJunko they're actually WAS a series made as a sequel to the show, but remains locked in the Disney vault and has never been seen in it's entirety. The direct to video sequel Milo's return is actually three episodes of the show and together in one movie. Disney plus wants content? They forgot that they've got an Atlantis series gathering dust in the vault.
@@YungJunko Maybe they could do animated sequels, or an animated sequel, prequel or even midquel series. But honestly, even that's not very reassuring.
Totally stargate (1997/98) not being the closest to an Atlantis the lost empire styled “live action” movie. Also lets hope there won’t be anyone trying to do a live action variant for the 2 movies. I can already feel the failure.
I grew up without a father. I'm well into adulthood and I've never had a father figure. I'm self-aware enough, and I've tried to teach myself to be a man and to guide myself through life, but it's been hard. Treasure Planet was, and still is, my favorite Disney movie. It was my personal version of the disney princess fantasy, and you're right, they had no business going that hard with the movie. But I'm glad and thankful, I can at least experience that bond through proxy.
😢🫂 I'm sorry you dealt without a dad... I've had issues with my dad, over a falling out we had not that long ago, and I'm just lucky we finally reconciled properly... I pray that you somehow get what you needed out of a relationship with a dad someday, as... Speaking as a guy who really loves his dad, despite how hardcore my dad's drinking issues were, while I was growing up, everyone needs a genuine father figure, and Treasure Planet shows that beautifully.
@@NightNinja1998my dad had a drinking problem too and sadly he was trying to get better he passed away when I was 17 and now I'm 18 That's very nice to have people that I can relate to like you
Treasure Planet was workshopped by Musker and Clements over like 15 years, the script was _immaculate_ by the time they were allowed to start making it. The film was a passion project from start to finish and that love really shows through. Disney buried it because Eisner hated pirates until PotC made All Of The Money a few years after Treasure Planet came out.
@@ChronicNOTAG Eisner didn't think PotC would be successful either. It's important to remember how much he hated pirate movies. Famously considered them to be box office poison. Pirates of the Carribean *also* almost got cancelled several times due to Eisner's hissy fits.
@@ChronicNOTAG You said “actually Disney didn’t want two competing pirate movies,” which honestly was dismissive of the OP’s comment in the first place. Your comment isn’t accurate as to why Eisner wasn’t interested in Treasure Planet- it’s true that he simply didn’t like pirates and Disney repeatedly rejected Treasure Planet for more than a decade so other movies could be made. Whether POtC came out in 2003 or 2006 makes little difference in the discussion of why Treasure Planet flopped, he/she wasn’t “dismissing” anything
You know what's weird about Atlantis? First thing brought to my mind by Milo trying to get investors was another Nostalgic piece of my life; Stargate. Milo and Daniel were basically the same character, trying to convince people to fund an expedition to prove a crazy theory about Atlantis/Egypt.
Atlantis: The Lost Empire, Treasure Planet, The Lion King, The Emperor’s New Groove and Brother Bear are easily my favorite Disney 2D animated movies. Unpopular opinion: I do not want a live-action remake for neither Atlantis nor Treasure Planet. As much as they succeed, it won’t capture the beauty of these 2 masterpieces mostly because that they were beautifully animated. Being in live-action won’t have the same feeling even if it’s good.
Never saw emperors new groove I wanted to when it came out in theaters but it just never happened as a kid Hercules was amazing though it was my favorite Disney film for a long time
How is that an unpopular opinion? Everybody I've talked to have generally been very dismissive of, if not downright hostile towards, the live-action remakes from Disney, and for good reason: the live-action is just plain bad. Atrocious, even. Apparently the exception as of late was Del Toro's Pinocchio, but I haven't seen that one, so I can't comment on it. Seriously, how is that an unpopular opinion?
Literally watched Treasure Planet after watching this video Junko, and have to say you are spot on. I never saw it growing up because Disney did all it could to hide these movies, but they're both deserving of love
These are two of the best openings I can remember in Disney films as far as spectacle are concerned. The fall of Atlantis is absolutely gripping and watching the camera pan out to the spaceport are both jaw dropping in my opinion. On a different note, I remember discovering Atlantis right after I had binged Stargate SG-1 and noticing how similar a lot of the characters and plot beats were.
Oh yeah, Titan A.E. I remember not fully following the plot (don't remember why those aliens wanted to stop Titan's reactivation), but I still ended up liking it for some reason. I could probably follow the plot better now that I'm an adult. Also, wasn't there a little animated nudity? Not full frontal, but I could have sworn there was a scene showing the ass of that purple-haired chick.
Things that they 2 were going to have that Disney robbed them of due to bad marketing and sending them out to die. Treasure Planet: A Sequel which leads into the also planned TV series, that has existing concept art. Atlantis: A TV series that was already greenlit but was then canceled when the movie was sent out to die and didn't do well enough (Milo's Return being the 3 episodes already made stitched together.) and an actual sequel named 'Shards of Chaos'. The TV series was set to crossover with Gargoyles. So yeah, the moral of the story is Fuck Disney. Fun fact, they recently revealed Mole's backstory.
@@Akavir7 I forget where honestly, it's been a while since I read it. Your gonna have to find it. I will say.......HOO BOY did he go through some shit.
@@louradean9293 Disney purposely tanking both movies turned out to be a blessing in disguise, since they want nothing to do with them, they can't be butchered by bad live action adaptations.
To be fair, the horribly written (and gross) live action scenes of Osmosis Jones do drag it down a bit. The core movie is the stuff of classics, though
Silver's speech to Jim...he was watching the boy blame himself for Mr Arrow's death, knowing 100% that it wasn't his fault. he cared enough to fix Jim's heart in that moment... one of the only times in the film you really feel like he was 100% telling the truth, even if he didn't realize it himself... "I hope I'm there, catching some of the light coming off of you that day..."
This video made me think about how much inspiration Arcane took from these two movies. Steampunk with blended 2D/3D animation. No wonder I was immediately hooked by the visuals, it was a callback to two of my favorite animations.
12:58 “Only being defeated by being infected with Atlantean AIDS.” Is a sentence I’ve never thought I would have heard but this had me DYING-. Also, I have been wanting to watch Atlantis for a while, Treasure planet is a gem and I like the father-son feel it gives to the audience (which you mentioned) compared to the sometimes (I’d even say most of the time) questionable romance Disney tends to give.
Titan A.E. and treasure planet also share a lot of plot points too. Planet sized mcguffan, dad left, jaded main character, father figure betraying them... thats just scratching the surface
I was a Jules Verne reading, Jacques-Yves Cousteau watching nerd. Being drawn to Atlantis was inevitable. Treasure Planet didn't really hook me beyond the solar surfing and an ocassional literal space ship shot. Then Ben arrived to throw the movie tone out of the window-
You know, I feel the same way, sad to say. Still, that climax and knowing the truth of the captain was great. That aspect is still one of the best aspects for me.
If you like 20,000 leagues inspired shows, I'd recommend Nadia and the Secret of Blue Water. With a plot so similar to Atlantis, the studio was considering suing Disney for plagiarism (they backed off as they were told by their legal team that fighting the titans known as Disney's legal team would cost more than they would win). Just skip the island arc
12:36 Why did I not remember such a cool effect was in that movie?! 14:43 Vinnie has some of the best lines in the whole movie! "You can't drink that, that's nitroglycerin!" 15:13 I really hope these two never see a live action remake, especially since live action can't capture the essence of their animated forms. It would be great to see more content for each movie but I don't really know how they could expand them in a satisfying way. 16:49 Is that Jak X I hear?!
I have adored both these movies since I first saw them as a kid. Milo Thatch inspired me to minor in linguistics in college. I've seen both films countless times, and I have a new appreciation for them as an adult. They never get old for me!
yes that's bizarre experimental age between fantasia 2000 and the princess And the frog. An era that had extremely high and extreme lows. What really hurt atlantis and treasure planet Was not only a stiff competition in the box office a lot of great franchises Happening in the early 2000 but But everyone Obsession for the new hotness that was 3d animation.
I read the Treasure Island book this year, after watching Treasure Planet and I gotta say the movie is better - the book's lesson is just that Jim is cool enough guy that even a pirate could respect, but the movie does build a real father-son relationship with him
So, when Treasure Planet came to Brazil, my family was hitting hard times. *However,* BEFORE the hard times hit us, Atlantis was the first movie my sister ever watched in the cinema ( 3 years old), and we got the VHS _and_ we rented it on DVD once DVDs became a thing, to see how it would look in high quality. And we rented the Treasure Planet VHS a few times. But for Atlantis? My family's been here for it as soon as we got our hands on it.
I wish they'd just rerelease them in theaters. I'm sure at this time they'd make a little extra since so many people see their value now. I'd so pay to see it on the big screen again
My grandparents and I had an almost religious relationship to the theater, we saw damn near every Disney/Pixar movie in theaters from the late 90s into the late 2000s.. and so I remember, I was there for Treasure Planet *and* Home on the Range (the latter I severely regret, and didn't even like as a kid).. Treasure Planet and Atlantis both captivated me immensely from the get go and never lost their touch, I have rewatched both many times and always enjoy them. 💛💛💛
I was around 10 when these came out and loved both. My family was all into them so I'm always kind of shocked when I realize they were kind of under the radar. They both have such a great spirit of adventure and being 2D the animation holds up perfectly. 3D animation from the time like Shrek look kind of weird now.
The original script for "Atlantis: The Lost Empire" was estimated to be 155 minutes if it was fully animated. They had to cut a lot of content to make it under 100 minutes. They settled on having half the film be the expedition and half the film being in Atlantis. If they got to make that MASSIVE uncut version, I wager that the latter half of the film would be mostly the same, but the first act would have a lot more emotional buildup than just Milo's quick film reel of Thaddeus and Whitmore talking about him. There are also storyboards of a few monster encounters that had to be cut for time, such as "squid bats" and "lava whales".
I'd argue that a live-action remake of Treasure Planet or Atlantis would do much better than Disney's other live-action movies more due to their Sci-Fi styling. With their previous remakes, Disney made a conscious effort to make anything even tangentially related to real life as accurate as possible. So much so, they ended up taking away a lot of the fun colours and motions of the animated versions. With Treasure Planet and Atlantis, they are already so far removed from reality in their Sci-Fi genre that I feel they could lend themselves much better to live-action with CGI. Whether it would be good, let alone as good as their animated counterparts is a much more difficult question to answer but I can see them doing better than Disney's other live-action movies.
I've seen this movie several times and never noticed the cyborg parts of John Silver is 3D 😭 Also the clip of Captain Amelia locking the door made me GUFFAW
I saw treasure planet in theaters and for the longest time thought the beginning scene with Jim riding the winds ail was just some fun fever dream I had rediscovered the movie in my teens and damn, what a sad fate this movie had. it was so good
Part of the draw of these stories was the idea of adventure that was so prevalent during the early 2000’s. There was such an air of being in the cusp of new things and the desire to push past our limits at the time. I’m not sure how or why we lost that drive and settled into whatever creative rut we have now that is so blatantly meant to sell toys than to impart a social lesson. So much of kids media has been dumbed down in recent years that it’s little wonder why kids these days are so…broken. Many just don’t know what being a good person is like because there aren’t examples in their media- with the rise of social media this problem has become even worse since why bother with animation if real people are more entertaining because they break societal norms for the sake of fame.
Hey man, I’m right there with ya. The first movie I saw as a kid in theaters was the “Emperor’s New Groove”. (To this day I adore that movie) but I feel like nobody knows about it. Same can be equally said for “Treasure Planet” & “Atlantis”. I had both on VHS. And I specifically remember bringing my B.E.N. happy meal toy with me to the movie theater to watch treasure planet. These films hit home for me. Thank you for triggering a bunch of childhood memories and for reminding me how very few of us there are. 😂
I don't know how this got into my recommended or why but... holy crap you nailed just about everything right with these two films in under 20 minutes time. This felt quite refreshing in spite of how familiar I am with both, shame there's no mention of Leonard Nimoy's last performance but frankly I can forgive it. Since just about everyone who ever talks about Atlantis always mentions him at least once. For real the casting in these two films could not be more perfect and I miss good decision making like this, these days they are missing hard and given weak scripts.
TH-cam does a terrible job letting me know you replied. I also never heard of it and have no interest in seeking it out. So as far as I know, this was his last animated appearance if we ignore his time in Kingdom Hearts.
Something with the Jak X music being used was so great in this video. Atlantis and Treasure Planet are two of the absolute best animated Disney films of all time imo, such beautifully handcrafted projects back during a time when Disney actually put effort into their work.
i loved atlantis so much as a kid. my primary school used to put on movies for kids who were still waiting for their parents to pick them up, i'd choose to watch it every time. i didn't even realise it bombed financially, or that some other kids hadn't seen it. i recently went to the disney store - and they had kida baubles in stock for christmas!!! good to see at least Somebody on the merchandise team realises there's still a demand for it.
I grew up as a teen and related to Jim and Milo, very much. I now watch these with my children whom are now young teens of the same age. Argh! I can’t get over how good these movies are. I love them so much. I literally have tattoos of these two. I’m not apologising for that.
I WAS THERE. OPENING DAY. I SAW THEM BOTH! I LOVED THEM!!! (side story: when I went to see Atlantis my grandma went with me and in the first 5 minutes she complained it was too loud and somehow went back and got them to turn the volume on the WHOLE THEATER down just for her [oh yea, and she doesn't speak English]) I was mortified and tried my best to hide in my seat.
I was there! I was a fanboy long before you made this video, but I’m glad you made it! As if I didn’t like you enough already! (I’m serious I love your videos; and I don’t understand why you aren’t more popular!) Just NEVER tell me that I wasn’t there! I WAS! I DID MY PART! Everyone else who didn’t screwed up!
These are both my top tier disney movies. I went into both with absolutely no expectations and they became my favourites. Atlantis was even the subject of my film analysis essay in college! Despite both being fairly linear stories, the characters truly shine, the visuals are gorgeous, a perfect mix of 2D and 3D that I WISH Disney would revisit. They both had storylines I thoroughly enjoyed and both had a relationship at it's core that had me wilting. (Spoilers ahead!) Milo and Kida have a wonderful dynamic together and I love the way they interact. Their romance is never explicitly stated but you see them bond oh man, it's so cute. And Jim and Silver struck such a major chord with me. I've never had a brilliant relationship with my dad, so I've always sought them in fiction to sort of substitute for it. Silver going soft and realising he cares for Jim, to the point where he sacrifices what he's always longed for to save him? I loved them so, so much. The whole "I'm Still Here" sequence in the film is one of my favourite to date. In my own opinion, it's Disney's best. It's Disney's "Arcane", and extremely underrated. (That being said Atlantis is my personal favourite but the gap is practically microscopic, it's like saying Arcane is the best tv series but SW Rebels is my favourite which is also true) I truly, truly do not think modern day Disney has what it takes to adapt these respectfully into live action. Seeing some of their recent adaptations, as well as the recent Uncharted adaptation, I just wouldn't trust a studio to do a good job. An animated remake? A series? Perhaps. I've said for a few months that Treasure Planet deserved it's planned sequel, but perhaps a comic since we wouldn't have the same VA for Silver? I'll take anything, just not live action. I don't want to see Tom Holland cast as Milo Thatch.
I watched it day 1 in the age of 6. now my father died in 2018 and Treasure Planet became my most favorite Disney Movie out there. I can't watch it without crying. I allways go back to it when i want to think about him. I love this movie, Jim is so relatable. The Literally Me meme.
These 2 film's are just so incredibly underrated & misunderstood, they never stood a chance & even though nobody sings their praises they've survived so well & managed to cultivate such huge fan followings.
I rember the time in class where I pointed out the choice of treasure planet for our class movie. Everyone, including my teacher, just turned and stared at me in pure confusion. I was so so sad.
hadn't heard of this film when it originally came out in cinema, but the year later my daughter was going through chemo and this became a staple video during her time in hospitals as well as titan ae and the atlantis films. i see this film as a classic and one of my favourite from disney
Not having a father in my early year I really loved Treasure Planet it was something that really clicked with me. I also loved Titan AE and Atlantis. All three really resonated with me and helped me to accept my step father years down the road when he came into my life.
Know that was a dark time for Disney profits...but serious props for attempting something new and different. The mix of traditional animation and 3d was beautiful.
Treasure planet was my childhood favorite movie. On the damned vhs. AND TO THINK I THOUGHT I DREAMED THE WHOLE THING WHEN I GREW UP CUZ NOBODY EVER KNEW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT UNTILL LIKE, THESE LAST COUPLE YEARS?? SUDDENLY EVERYONE KNOWS. WHERE YALL BEEN. JEEZ.
I was recommended your video because I looked up nuclear sirens and your intro is incredible your video essay format is comprehensive and detailed and the fact that you used Jak X music in your video makes you all the more incredible
For me personally, these 2 movies were the only Disney male lead action packed movies that checked every box I wanted as a kid. And to this day they are still my favorite Disney movies!
@@RodrickMarsMoon Sci fi adventure, action, comedy, romance, interesting characters, good dialogue, excellent direction, good pace, creative visuals and likeable energy
I was really glad you at least mentioned Titan AE, because in my mind, that's the movie that is forever linked to Treasure Planet, so much so that I almost always forget what the the title for Titan AE is. Also, WOW did that skit at the beginning catch me off guard, haha!
I don't want a any form of remake for them! I want a re-release! I want a chance to see them on the big screen that I missed out on in my youth! Also maybe if they do well with a treasure planet re-release does well MAYBE...MAAAAAAAYBE we get that sequel idea they had. But modern Disney I'm worried would some how bork that
If it was up to me, Disney would go back to this animation/art style. Also, Tarzans animation too I believe. edit: I was here since the beginning as well. Good to see you, my brethren.
DO NOT compare strange world with atlantis the lost empire, there is at least five levels of quality in between them and atlantis is not the lower of those two. Also when I was kid, the only Disney stuff I liked was Atlantis, Gargoyles and Dinosaur, so yeah maybe that's why I'm a fantasy nerd
I love how this video is going to be the first and only reference to a VHS player in most of these viewers lives. Having a VCR was the standard in my day because DVDs were too expensive and they just came out.
i was literally born in 2001 and Atlantis came out in 2001, and Treasure Planet in 2002 so I was probably not born yet and then possibly a year old and can't remember crap so that's probably why I wasn't there XD
Solidarity, I was there, I saw them both, AND home on the range, and I loved Atlantis and Treasure Planet. Just one thing stopped me. I was like 5 years old :(
I remember watching Atlantis when i was like 5 and i can't remember a single thing past the opening, maybe a ghost town thing? idk but i'm defiantly going to rewatch it now :)
Hey, I was like ...4 when these came out. I had no concept of anything back then, but when I watched these movies on VHS they became my dual number 1 favourite Disney films.
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It's pretty sad that Atlantis and treasure planet went under because they're both pretty ambitious films but as you mentioned it's kinda pointless to remake them when all the magic with animation is gone
100% even if they dusted off the script for treasure planet 2 from the disney vault, i wouldnt trust them to do it just now that everything they do is either he most soulless, middle of the road thing imaginable or a complete bastardization of the previous world
EDIT: wow... i need to stop commenting mid video
Everytime I see someone say let’s remake these 2 movies, I roll my eyes because even if they were to make these as live action movies, the animated movies would still be more mature and epic because they were made by people with balls back in the day instead of the creatively bankrupt wet towels that make movies like strange world
@@AndreNitroXwhy do you always assume live action?
@@ihavenoname.6078 because even in cgi, this movie could not be replicated, perhaps the story could be retold but it would have to be done differently.
Exactly I’ll watch these two underrated gems any time, any day. Over the trend crap we currently have that passes as movies today. Why can’t we get more movies like these. No musical sequences. No corny or predictable cliches we are all used to at this point.
One thing that struck me as a kid for Atlantis was how raw the actions scenes were. Disney went from only having one person dying being a focal point to Atlantis literally having over 3/4 of the initial sub crew getting killed by the Leviathan within the first half of the movie. It was brutal but so action packed at the same time.
One of the best aspects of Atlantis in my opinion was the design, a good amount of which was done by Mike Mignola who created hellboy, and I love that you can see the direct influence in the art style of the movie. If Atlantis was turned into a series with the attention and care of something like Andor it could really work.
You know, I was looking at the remake idea too much in the framework of the modern live action Disney remake we've been getting but I think a series that explores the worlds of these movies in some way could be done well now that you mention it
@@YungJunko they're actually WAS a series made as a sequel to the show, but remains locked in the Disney vault and has never been seen in it's entirety. The direct to video sequel Milo's return is actually three episodes of the show and together in one movie.
Disney plus wants content? They forgot that they've got an Atlantis series gathering dust in the vault.
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Wow I never knew that existed thank you for telling me.
@@YungJunko Maybe they could do animated sequels, or an animated sequel, prequel or even midquel series. But honestly, even that's not very reassuring.
@@shawnwarrynn8609 Not in current year.
These 2 films are so amazing and where such magical films, hopefully they don't make live action versions that will butcher them
Why would they? They only do that to financially successful films.
There's some that actually want a live-action remake of Atlantis. It could be done and done well, but I'd rather they just leave that one alone.
Tom Holland as Milo? Yes, please!
Tom Holland as Jim Hawkins? Yes, Please!
Let's see both these movies with Tom. Lmao
Totally stargate (1997/98) not being the closest to an Atlantis the lost empire styled “live action” movie.
Also lets hope there won’t be anyone trying to do a live action variant for the 2 movies. I can already feel the failure.
I grew up without a father. I'm well into adulthood and I've never had a father figure. I'm self-aware enough, and I've tried to teach myself to be a man and to guide myself through life, but it's been hard. Treasure Planet was, and still is, my favorite Disney movie. It was my personal version of the disney princess fantasy, and you're right, they had no business going that hard with the movie. But I'm glad and thankful, I can at least experience that bond through proxy.
😢🫂 I'm sorry you dealt without a dad... I've had issues with my dad, over a falling out we had not that long ago, and I'm just lucky we finally reconciled properly...
I pray that you somehow get what you needed out of a relationship with a dad someday, as... Speaking as a guy who really loves his dad, despite how hardcore my dad's drinking issues were, while I was growing up, everyone needs a genuine father figure, and Treasure Planet shows that beautifully.
@@NightNinja1998 I too know the feeling about falling out with my old man
@@NightNinja1998my dad had a drinking problem too and sadly he was trying to get better he passed away when I was 17 and now I'm 18
That's very nice to have people that I can relate to like you
@@Razor_zilla5688 Well, I pray he's in Heaven waiting for you... God bless you, man.
Treasure Planet was workshopped by Musker and Clements over like 15 years, the script was _immaculate_ by the time they were allowed to start making it. The film was a passion project from start to finish and that love really shows through.
Disney buried it because Eisner hated pirates until PotC made All Of The Money a few years after Treasure Planet came out.
Actually, PotC came out the following year, in 2003. Disney didn't want two competing pirate movies.
@@ChronicNOTAG Eisner didn't think PotC would be successful either. It's important to remember how much he hated pirate movies. Famously considered them to be box office poison. Pirates of the Carribean *also* almost got cancelled several times due to Eisner's hissy fits.
@@aircraftcarrierwo-class Wasn't aware Eisner hated pirate movies, but don't dismiss the fact that the two were released less than a year apart.
@@ChronicNOTAG and the importance is? Why are you so high horse about the release year. Both almost never made it
@@ChronicNOTAG You said “actually Disney didn’t want two competing pirate movies,” which honestly was dismissive of the OP’s comment in the first place. Your comment isn’t accurate as to why Eisner wasn’t interested in Treasure Planet- it’s true that he simply didn’t like pirates and Disney repeatedly rejected Treasure Planet for more than a decade so other movies could be made. Whether POtC came out in 2003 or 2006 makes little difference in the discussion of why Treasure Planet flopped, he/she wasn’t “dismissing” anything
The peak of early 2000 cartoons by disney.
Love both equally.
I find it funny your name is milo but your pic is rourke
@@AndreNitroX i gave myself that username a year ago, when i still didnt know what Atlantis The lost empire was
@@milofragger7 Wow what a coincidence
@@AndreNitroXBut he's Batman.
@@marianokaz1503 haha now he is
Seeing Atlantis and Treasure Planet in theaters is such a joy. An imax screening of these two would be so amazing.
I’d for sure get tickets
Oh man, IMAX.
You know what's weird about Atlantis? First thing brought to my mind by Milo trying to get investors was another Nostalgic piece of my life; Stargate.
Milo and Daniel were basically the same character, trying to convince people to fund an expedition to prove a crazy theory about Atlantis/Egypt.
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It really did feel the same
You're the only one I've encountered who've also thought of that lol.
I thought I was the only one who saw the similarities. Daniel and Milo had nearly identical arcs.
Thought it had to be an homage
I have been OBSESSING over Jim’s Theme, literally it’s on my Spotify Wrapped. Fantastic movie
Atlantis: The Lost Empire, Treasure Planet, The Lion King, The Emperor’s New Groove and Brother Bear are easily my favorite Disney 2D animated movies.
Unpopular opinion: I do not want a live-action remake for neither Atlantis nor Treasure Planet. As much as they succeed, it won’t capture the beauty of these 2 masterpieces mostly because that they were beautifully animated. Being in live-action won’t have the same feeling even if it’s good.
Disney needs to stop doing remakes of their animated canon all together.
PLus, they aren't gonna get anyone that can pull off half the characters.
Never saw emperors new groove I wanted to when it came out in theaters but it just never happened as a kid Hercules was amazing though it was my favorite Disney film for a long time
How is that an unpopular opinion? Everybody I've talked to have generally been very dismissive of, if not downright hostile towards, the live-action remakes from Disney, and for good reason: the live-action is just plain bad. Atrocious, even. Apparently the exception as of late was Del Toro's Pinocchio, but I haven't seen that one, so I can't comment on it. Seriously, how is that an unpopular opinion?
@@ChronicNOTAGit mostly the insecure adults that refuse to watch animated movies, cause everyone know that animation is for da kiddies.
Literally watched Treasure Planet after watching this video Junko, and have to say you are spot on. I never saw it growing up because Disney did all it could to hide these movies, but they're both deserving of love
Always loved these two and Iron Giant when I was younger, glad they now are getting the spotlight that they deserve
Grew up with Atlantis as a kid. Great movie. Always make sure you got your supplies like paper clips, big ones.
These are two of the best openings I can remember in Disney films as far as spectacle are concerned. The fall of Atlantis is absolutely gripping and watching the camera pan out to the spaceport are both jaw dropping in my opinion. On a different note, I remember discovering Atlantis right after I had binged Stargate SG-1 and noticing how similar a lot of the characters and plot beats were.
Yeah that's because Atlantis the lost empire, is literally Disney's version of Stargate.
If there must be an Atlantis movie, I need Hollywood to let James Cameron get as creative as he wants to with it
I'm pretty sure the only way they can get live action Atlantis to work would be to bring in the SG cast lol
I fell for Treasure Planet, Titan AE, Atlantis and literally most of these immediately as a kid. I thought Treasure Planet was amazing
Same! Probably 3 of the VHS tapes I watched the most as a kid, along with Emperor’s New Groove lol.
Same here. Other movies I watched obsessively as a kid: Spirit, Sinbad, El Dorado and Prince of Egypt (also Iron Giant and Balto, but only on TV)
Oh yeah, Titan A.E. I remember not fully following the plot (don't remember why those aliens wanted to stop Titan's reactivation), but I still ended up liking it for some reason. I could probably follow the plot better now that I'm an adult. Also, wasn't there a little animated nudity? Not full frontal, but I could have sworn there was a scene showing the ass of that purple-haired chick.
Things that they 2 were going to have that Disney robbed them of due to bad marketing and sending them out to die.
Treasure Planet: A Sequel which leads into the also planned TV series, that has existing concept art.
Atlantis: A TV series that was already greenlit but was then canceled when the movie was sent out to die and didn't do well enough (Milo's Return being the 3 episodes already made stitched together.) and an actual sequel named 'Shards of Chaos'. The TV series was set to crossover with Gargoyles.
So yeah, the moral of the story is Fuck Disney.
Fun fact, they recently revealed Mole's backstory.
Wait, don't tease us like this - where do I find Mole's backstory?
@@Akavir7 I forget where honestly, it's been a while since I read it. Your gonna have to find it.
I will say.......HOO BOY did he go through some shit.
That would've been amazing! Wish we could've seen it.
I was gonna put the link here but it hates links 💀
I thought it was just 2 episodes lol. But I am livid they fucked those up.
I'm consistently astounded by how Junko can dial in on my nostalgia so perfectly
Ironically these are the only two films in Disneys catalog that make sense to make live action.
Please noooooooo! No live action!!!!!
@@louradean9293 Disney purposely tanking both movies turned out to be a blessing in disguise, since they want nothing to do with them, they can't be butchered by bad live action adaptations.
@@louradean9293 If it were to be Mandelorian quality it would be worth it
@@SobrietyandSolaceno matter what budget you give it, going from animated to live action is always going to be a downgrade.
These two movies… best hidden gems of Disney.
I hope they get some kind of loyal revival.
I like lumping in osmosis Jones with these two movies as well, more people need to see these gems
To be fair, the horribly written (and gross) live action scenes of Osmosis Jones do drag it down a bit. The core movie is the stuff of classics, though
Yeesh
Silver's speech to Jim...he was watching the boy blame himself for Mr Arrow's death, knowing 100% that it wasn't his fault.
he cared enough to fix Jim's heart in that moment... one of the only times in the film you really feel like he was 100% telling the truth, even if he didn't realize it himself...
"I hope I'm there, catching some of the light coming off of you that day..."
Gets me every time 😭
This video made me think about how much inspiration Arcane took from these two movies. Steampunk with blended 2D/3D animation. No wonder I was immediately hooked by the visuals, it was a callback to two of my favorite animations.
12:58 “Only being defeated by being infected with Atlantean AIDS.” Is a sentence I’ve never thought I would have heard but this had me DYING-.
Also, I have been wanting to watch Atlantis for a while, Treasure planet is a gem and I like the father-son feel it gives to the audience (which you mentioned) compared to the sometimes (I’d even say most of the time) questionable romance Disney tends to give.
Rourke got the wrong pills
Titan A.E. and treasure planet also share a lot of plot points too. Planet sized mcguffan, dad left, jaded main character, father figure betraying them... thats just scratching the surface
I was a Jules Verne reading, Jacques-Yves Cousteau watching nerd. Being drawn to Atlantis was inevitable.
Treasure Planet didn't really hook me beyond the solar surfing and an ocassional literal space ship shot. Then Ben arrived to throw the movie tone out of the window-
You know, I feel the same way, sad to say. Still, that climax and knowing the truth of the captain was great. That aspect is still one of the best aspects for me.
If you like 20,000 leagues inspired shows, I'd recommend Nadia and the Secret of Blue Water. With a plot so similar to Atlantis, the studio was considering suing Disney for plagiarism (they backed off as they were told by their legal team that fighting the titans known as Disney's legal team would cost more than they would win). Just skip the island arc
12:36 Why did I not remember such a cool effect was in that movie?!
14:43 Vinnie has some of the best lines in the whole movie! "You can't drink that, that's nitroglycerin!"
15:13 I really hope these two never see a live action remake, especially since live action can't capture the essence of their animated forms. It would be great to see more content for each movie but I don't really know how they could expand them in a satisfying way.
16:49 Is that Jak X I hear?!
I have adored both these movies since I first saw them as a kid. Milo Thatch inspired me to minor in linguistics in college. I've seen both films countless times, and I have a new appreciation for them as an adult. They never get old for me!
yes that's bizarre experimental age between fantasia 2000 and the princess And the frog.
An era that had extremely high and extreme lows. What really hurt atlantis and treasure planet Was not only a stiff competition in the box office a lot of great franchises Happening in the early 2000 but But everyone Obsession for the new hotness that was 3d animation.
Treasure Planet lived rent free in my head. Also, does anyone remember the Treasure Planet ice cream? Or just me. Great video as usual.
There was?
@@고구마-q9l yeah, it was from edy’s I just found a photo on the internet
I read the Treasure Island book this year, after watching Treasure Planet and I gotta say the movie is better - the book's lesson is just that Jim is cool enough guy that even a pirate could respect, but the movie does build a real father-son relationship with him
Childhood memory unlocked, I had totally forgotten about Titan A.E. Junko you sure are the king of nostalgia.
So, when Treasure Planet came to Brazil, my family was hitting hard times.
*However,* BEFORE the hard times hit us, Atlantis was the first movie my sister ever watched in the cinema ( 3 years old), and we got the VHS _and_ we rented it on DVD once DVDs became a thing, to see how it would look in high quality. And we rented the Treasure Planet VHS a few times.
But for Atlantis? My family's been here for it as soon as we got our hands on it.
I just rewatched these two yesterday! With my kid, I was like “you’re gonna know good animations” lol
I saw Treasure Planet as a kid in theater, very lucky to see it.
I wish they'd just rerelease them in theaters. I'm sure at this time they'd make a little extra since so many people see their value now. I'd so pay to see it on the big screen again
Agreed! I was 1-2 years old when both of those movies came out, so I’d love to have the opportunity to actually see them in theaters.
My grandparents and I had an almost religious relationship to the theater, we saw damn near every Disney/Pixar movie in theaters from the late 90s into the late 2000s.. and so I remember, I was there for Treasure Planet *and* Home on the Range (the latter I severely regret, and didn't even like as a kid).. Treasure Planet and Atlantis both captivated me immensely from the get go and never lost their touch, I have rewatched both many times and always enjoy them. 💛💛💛
I was around 10 when these came out and loved both. My family was all into them so I'm always kind of shocked when I realize they were kind of under the radar. They both have such a great spirit of adventure and being 2D the animation holds up perfectly. 3D animation from the time like Shrek look kind of weird now.
The original script for "Atlantis: The Lost Empire" was estimated to be 155 minutes if it was fully animated. They had to cut a lot of content to make it under 100 minutes. They settled on having half the film be the expedition and half the film being in Atlantis. If they got to make that MASSIVE uncut version, I wager that the latter half of the film would be mostly the same, but the first act would have a lot more emotional buildup than just Milo's quick film reel of Thaddeus and Whitmore talking about him. There are also storyboards of a few monster encounters that had to be cut for time, such as "squid bats" and "lava whales".
I always group these two films together because they came out near each other and were very formative for me as a kid.
Also Titan A.E
I'd argue that a live-action remake of Treasure Planet or Atlantis would do much better than Disney's other live-action movies more due to their Sci-Fi styling.
With their previous remakes, Disney made a conscious effort to make anything even tangentially related to real life as accurate as possible. So much so, they ended up taking away a lot of the fun colours and motions of the animated versions.
With Treasure Planet and Atlantis, they are already so far removed from reality in their Sci-Fi genre that I feel they could lend themselves much better to live-action with CGI. Whether it would be good, let alone as good as their animated counterparts is a much more difficult question to answer but I can see them doing better than Disney's other live-action movies.
glad that some of us still appreciate these great animated movies
I've seen this movie several times and never noticed the cyborg parts of John Silver is 3D 😭 Also the clip of Captain Amelia locking the door made me GUFFAW
Atlantis > Treasure Planet But after watching it again recently, Lilo & Stitch is unreal. Such a good story
Those three are my favorite Disney movies ever made
Treasure Planet > atlantis
Other way around
I saw treasure planet in theaters and for the longest time thought the beginning scene with Jim riding the winds ail was just some fun fever dream I had
rediscovered the movie in my teens and damn, what a sad fate this movie had. it was so good
Seeing the trailers for the first time, it looks more like a gen Z meme than actual promotional material.
Treasure planet over Atlantis all day. Love “I’m still here” stop screaming that song to this day
This was a delightful acid trip reviewing two of my favorite underappreciated Disney films. Please make more videos like this.
I remembered watching both of these as a kid and loving the heck of em....also cat mommy
I LOVE Treasure Planet. Absolutely love it. One of the most gorgeous films of all time. Atlantis was alright. Didn't love it personally.
Part of the draw of these stories was the idea of adventure that was so prevalent during the early 2000’s. There was such an air of being in the cusp of new things and the desire to push past our limits at the time. I’m not sure how or why we lost that drive and settled into whatever creative rut we have now that is so blatantly meant to sell toys than to impart a social lesson. So much of kids media has been dumbed down in recent years that it’s little wonder why kids these days are so…broken. Many just don’t know what being a good person is like because there aren’t examples in their media- with the rise of social media this problem has become even worse since why bother with animation if real people are more entertaining because they break societal norms for the sake of fame.
Hey man, I’m right there with ya.
The first movie I saw as a kid in theaters was the “Emperor’s New Groove”. (To this day I adore that movie) but I feel like nobody knows about it.
Same can be equally said for “Treasure Planet” & “Atlantis”.
I had both on VHS. And I specifically remember bringing my B.E.N. happy meal toy with me to the movie theater to watch treasure planet.
These films hit home for me. Thank you for triggering a bunch of childhood memories and for reminding me how very few of us there are. 😂
I don't know how this got into my recommended or why but... holy crap you nailed just about everything right with these two films in under 20 minutes time. This felt quite refreshing in spite of how familiar I am with both, shame there's no mention of Leonard Nimoy's last performance but frankly I can forgive it. Since just about everyone who ever talks about Atlantis always mentions him at least once. For real the casting in these two films could not be more perfect and I miss good decision making like this, these days they are missing hard and given weak scripts.
Leonard Nimoy's last performance? How can you forget the masterpiece that is Transformers 3 lol (or Into Darkness)
TH-cam does a terrible job letting me know you replied. I also never heard of it and have no interest in seeking it out. So as far as I know, this was his last animated appearance if we ignore his time in Kingdom Hearts.
Something with the Jak X music being used was so great in this video. Atlantis and Treasure Planet are two of the absolute best animated Disney films of all time imo, such beautifully handcrafted projects back during a time when Disney actually put effort into their work.
Hey now, Treasure Planet wasn't nearly racist, unfocused, or unsatisfying enough to be the Bioshock Infinite of Disney movies! :P
i loved atlantis so much as a kid. my primary school used to put on movies for kids who were still waiting for their parents to pick them up, i'd choose to watch it every time. i didn't even realise it bombed financially, or that some other kids hadn't seen it. i recently went to the disney store - and they had kida baubles in stock for christmas!!! good to see at least Somebody on the merchandise team realises there's still a demand for it.
I grew up as a teen and related to Jim and Milo, very much. I now watch these with my children whom are now young teens of the same age. Argh! I can’t get over how good these movies are. I love them so much. I literally have tattoos of these two. I’m not apologising for that.
I WAS THERE. OPENING DAY. I SAW THEM BOTH! I LOVED THEM!!!
(side story: when I went to see Atlantis my grandma went with me and in the first 5 minutes she complained it was too loud and somehow went back and got them to turn the volume on the WHOLE THEATER down just for her [oh yea, and she doesn't speak English]) I was mortified and tried my best to hide in my seat.
I was there! I was a fanboy long before you made this video, but I’m glad you made it! As if I didn’t like you enough already! (I’m serious I love your videos; and I don’t understand why you aren’t more popular!)
Just NEVER tell me that I wasn’t there! I WAS! I DID MY PART! Everyone else who didn’t screwed up!
I just want a Kingdom Hearts world for these two already!
These are both my top tier disney movies. I went into both with absolutely no expectations and they became my favourites.
Atlantis was even the subject of my film analysis essay in college!
Despite both being fairly linear stories, the characters truly shine, the visuals are gorgeous, a perfect mix of 2D and 3D that I WISH Disney would revisit. They both had storylines I thoroughly enjoyed and both had a relationship at it's core that had me wilting. (Spoilers ahead!)
Milo and Kida have a wonderful dynamic together and I love the way they interact. Their romance is never explicitly stated but you see them bond oh man, it's so cute.
And Jim and Silver struck such a major chord with me. I've never had a brilliant relationship with my dad, so I've always sought them in fiction to sort of substitute for it. Silver going soft and realising he cares for Jim, to the point where he sacrifices what he's always longed for to save him? I loved them so, so much.
The whole "I'm Still Here" sequence in the film is one of my favourite to date. In my own opinion, it's Disney's best. It's Disney's "Arcane", and extremely underrated. (That being said Atlantis is my personal favourite but the gap is practically microscopic, it's like saying Arcane is the best tv series but SW Rebels is my favourite which is also true)
I truly, truly do not think modern day Disney has what it takes to adapt these respectfully into live action. Seeing some of their recent adaptations, as well as the recent Uncharted adaptation, I just wouldn't trust a studio to do a good job. An animated remake? A series? Perhaps. I've said for a few months that Treasure Planet deserved it's planned sequel, but perhaps a comic since we wouldn't have the same VA for Silver? I'll take anything, just not live action.
I don't want to see Tom Holland cast as Milo Thatch.
I watched it day 1 in the age of 6. now my father died in 2018 and Treasure Planet became my most favorite Disney Movie out there. I can't watch it without crying. I allways go back to it when i want to think about him. I love this movie, Jim is so relatable. The Literally Me meme.
These 2 film's are just so incredibly underrated & misunderstood, they never stood a chance & even though nobody sings their praises they've survived so well & managed to cultivate such huge fan followings.
I rember the time in class where I pointed out the choice of treasure planet for our class movie. Everyone, including my teacher, just turned and stared at me in pure confusion. I was so so sad.
The only thing you left out was the hot dommy-mommy Helga in Atlantis
The one and only
I saw both these movies in theaters, and they instantly became my all-time favorite Disney movies ❤️
New Junko! A true Christmas Eve treat.
Indeed a happy holidays
holy that is a fine sight to see again, i had so meny Walt Disney Movies on VHS
"I am a question to the world
Not an answer to be heard
Or a moment that's held in your arms"
One of my favorite songs!
These 2 are both my favorite Disney movies. I'm glad you are talking about them.
I saw Treasure Planet that November. Made me fall in love with space.
When Elite Dangerous and VR happened, I got to experience a lifetime of dreams.
You know a fun fact? Treasure Planet could easily take place on the Spelljammer setting from D&D
hadn't heard of this film when it originally came out in cinema, but the year later my daughter was going through chemo and this became a staple video during her time in hospitals as well as titan ae and the atlantis films. i see this film as a classic and one of my favourite from disney
These two movies had such a significant impact on my childhood. Saw them both in theaters, and I loved each of them so much!!
That song from John Rzeznek or what not from Goo Goo Dolls in treasure planet is the best disney song of all time
I don't want them remade, I want treasure planet 2 with Willem Defoe damn you!!!
I saw them all in the theaters, Junko. I TRIED.
Not having a father in my early year I really loved Treasure Planet it was something that really clicked with me.
I also loved Titan AE and Atlantis. All three really resonated with me and helped me to accept my step father years down the road when he came into my life.
Know that was a dark time for Disney profits...but serious props for attempting something new and different. The mix of traditional animation and 3d was beautiful.
New Junko is exactly what I wanted for Christmas
Disney: We need more diverse movies!
Atlantis with an already diverse cast just wasting away
Treasure planet was my childhood favorite movie. On the damned vhs. AND TO THINK I THOUGHT I DREAMED THE WHOLE THING WHEN I GREW UP CUZ NOBODY EVER KNEW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT UNTILL LIKE, THESE LAST COUPLE YEARS?? SUDDENLY EVERYONE KNOWS. WHERE YALL BEEN. JEEZ.
I was recommended your video because I looked up nuclear sirens and your intro is incredible your video essay format is comprehensive and detailed and the fact that you used Jak X music in your video makes you all the more incredible
Nuclear sirens? Lmao how the heck did that happen. And thank you so much! I'm glad you found your way to my little channel and enjoyed my stuff.
5:00 I’m glad I’m not the only who still has one of those DVD/VHS hybrid players
They still make them too! I've got one!
For me personally, these 2 movies were the only Disney male lead action packed movies that checked every box I wanted as a kid. And to this day they are still my favorite Disney movies!
What would be these boxes ^^?
Genuinely asking.
@@RodrickMarsMoon Sci fi adventure, action, comedy, romance, interesting characters, good dialogue, excellent direction, good pace, creative visuals and likeable energy
@@AndreNitroX Holy wow, both movies indeed have all this 🙀😄!
I was really glad you at least mentioned Titan AE, because in my mind, that's the movie that is forever linked to Treasure Planet, so much so that I almost always forget what the the title for Titan AE is.
Also, WOW did that skit at the beginning catch me off guard, haha!
I don't want a any form of remake for them! I want a re-release! I want a chance to see them on the big screen that I missed out on in my youth! Also maybe if they do well with a treasure planet re-release does well MAYBE...MAAAAAAAYBE we get that sequel idea they had. But modern Disney I'm worried would some how bork that
Unfortunately, the voice of Silver passed away. If they could find someone to replicate the voice, though, then I'd love to see that sequel!
If it was up to me, Disney would go back to this animation/art style. Also, Tarzans animation too I believe.
edit: I was here since the beginning as well. Good to see you, my brethren.
DO NOT compare strange world with atlantis the lost empire, there is at least five levels of quality in between them and atlantis is not the lower of those two. Also when I was kid, the only Disney stuff I liked was Atlantis, Gargoyles and Dinosaur, so yeah maybe that's why I'm a fantasy nerd
7:23 poor morph what did he do to deserve such a fate :(
Treasure Planet is the best Disney movie and you cannot change my mind
I literally have checked my TH-cam inbox multiple times a day to see if you had uploaded. Thank you
I love how this video is going to be the first and only reference to a VHS player in most of these viewers lives. Having a VCR was the standard in my day because DVDs were too expensive and they just came out.
3:39 honestly, that trailer did the film dirty
i was literally born in 2001 and Atlantis came out in 2001, and Treasure Planet in 2002 so I was probably not born yet and then possibly a year old and can't remember crap so that's probably why I wasn't there XD
Treasure Planet was worth it for the John Rzeznik song
Solidarity, I was there, I saw them both, AND home on the range, and I loved Atlantis and Treasure Planet.
Just one thing stopped me. I was like 5 years old :(
I remember watching Atlantis when i was like 5 and i can't remember a single thing past the opening, maybe a ghost town thing? idk but i'm defiantly going to rewatch it now :)
Hey, I was like ...4 when these came out. I had no concept of anything back then, but when I watched these movies on VHS they became my dual number 1 favourite Disney films.
When you mentioned that VHS smell I literally froze and could smell the cheap plastic.