I'm one of the lucky ones who got to see Treasure Planet as a kid and fell in love with it immediately. At the time I was too young to understand or care much about how advertising and release dates impact a movie's success and what that means for the company as a whole, so it was surprising and heartbreaking to learn when I was older that Treasure Planet had been considered a failure. You are 1000% correct to call this movie a masterpiece. It tugs at my heartstrings in a way few other Disney movies manage to, and it's criminally underrated. Here's hoping more people who missed out continue to discover what a gem Treasure Planet really is.
I was lucky as well to see it the first time when I was young. For me however my favorite Disney movie from this period is Atlantis the Lost Empire. I was very interested in Atlantis as a kid so having a movie focused on this myth was really exciting. I’m still salty it didn’t get the respect I felt it deserved and I’m still waiting for Atlantis to make an appearance (or at least a mention) in Kingdom Hearts. I mean I’m certain Nomura could pull off adapting the story to Kingdom Hearts lore and I believe it would help generate new fans of the film by having it in Kingdom Hearts. Plus the music for the movie is incredible. The Crystal Chamber song is a masterpiece that uses instruments in traditional Balinese music and I think Yoko Shimomura would do an incredible job of adapting the songs for Kingdom Hearts.
Same. I thought nobody knew what it was and then my friend said he saw it for the first time years later and I was like “what? You hasn’t watched it before”
Yeah, I saw both Treasure Planet and Atlantis in the theaters as a child, and was quite surprised as an adult to learn that they flopped... I mean, I was too young to have any real appreciation for the story, or characters... But they were both so visually stunning! And the aesthetics! Just... (emphatic grunt thing)
“This film is a masterpiece, and I will die on this hill.” Same. So much. Loved it from the moment I saw it in theaters as a kid. I was obsessed with the story and the art and characters, the music too. When I bought my PS2, I bought the Treasure Planet game to go with it. I listened to the soundtrack constantly. It’s been one of my topmost favorite Disney films ever since. And I still get emotional. It’s good to hear other people talk about how much they love it too.
Like Silver, we will raise our flag. Like Jim, we will stand tall. Treasure Planet, is a treasure trove held close to our hearts. The crew is real, for we are the crew. ✨✨
I think the biggest change is John Silver. He is the character that history remembers, not what he actually was in the book. The framing of his relationship with Jim, compared with Jim and his own father is so well done, it still effects me when Silver comes back for Jim in the skiff.
The song that’s played in the movie is by John Rzeznik- I’m still here This really is a great song for that scene I found it on Apple Music this movie really is a masterpiece
The thought that this movie was ever considered a "failure" has boggled my mind for many years. Everyone I have ever spoken to about this movie who has seen it has absolutely loved it. Every. Single. One. And the idea that it somehow flopped at the box office on release never made any sense to me either. Until you explained what was most likely Disney's "practices". Seeing what they're like now that I'm an adult and the decisions they've made over the last ten-ish years non of this surprises me either, but it does explain A LOT of confusion I had.
It was utterly sabotaged at the box-office. What little marketing it had was misleading _and_ spoilery and the timing was horrendous, to name but some of the more major factors. While it probably would not have done as well as some of their other films (smaller target audience than their standard fare, proportionally higher cost of production), the executives went way out of their way to undermine it financially.
Well, recently saw it. I didn't "absolutely love" it. I enjoyed the Hawkins and Silver relationship, but that was about it. Everything else just felt like a hodge podge Disney movie. Here's farting aliens, different races and shapeshifters just being dumped on you. Gotta have the cutesy wutesy stuff in it, because ofc. Still, better than Black Cauldron which I saw immediately after it.
I didn't love it. I didn't even like it all that much as a kid, tbh. There are some elements of this movie that are strong, and other that are really weak. It is a bit of a mixed bag.
Disney international revealed plot points in the trailers which I believe were only released a week before the film. Also they chose to release it agaisnt Lilo and Stitch reasons being it was a passion project for the creators that Disney was obligated to make..
I lost my dad at 15, at 21 I started working at my local deli, a year in I met a man around 58, he understood me, he has been very funny, patient, and has been through a lot in his life, he is definitely a father I needed in my life, and he honestly looks at me as a son. I never thought I would see myself so much like Jim so many years later in life.
@@AFlyingWalrus Disney ruined the release of Treasure Planet to end 2d animation, yet they hired Ron and John to direct the Princess and the Frog??????
Honestly I feel like Silver isn’t the real villain of the movie, like yeah, he’s a pirate captain and has to act tough to keep control on his crew, but I feel like the moments he spent with Jim are more of his true self showing up. If you want a real villain, that crab guy who killed the ship’s second in command.
@@AnAverageGoblin In fact i would say that he is the villain but not the antagonist. He is more of a mix between the rival, the lancelot and the mentor.
@@anecro Congratulations, you are so self centred that you cant see someone sharing what they think without seeing it as a personal affront to yourself. You think that you come across as superior by needlessly putting others down, but it just shows your insecurity and myopia that you cant relate to others. Do you feel better now?
Note taken: Silver is the pinnacle of the Magnificent Bastard trope. And has an arm that makes me think they specifically hired a respectable mechanical engineer for him to figure out how the arm would work.
A younger me was constantly trying to figure out how to make that arm out of Lego, never had enough parts or knowledge. Still in awe of it today and wondering if my 3D modeling skills and 3D printer are up to task...
All of Silver's mech parts would be able to work irl. I watched a BTS about it and they designed it so it'd all fit. It's a whole rig they never swap off of for another model.
I miss when Disney made well written, heart warming, meaningful films and pushed the envelope of what was possible with animation. I think one of my favourite parts that, unfortunately, got skipped over but shows just how clever the writing and transitions are is when Sarah is saying she misses when Jim was a kid "A smiling, happy little boy holding a new pet and begging me to let him keep it." only for Delbert to open the door to the rain and thunder to show Jim carrying Billy Bones. Flawless set up and pay off.
Nothing will ever come close to 90's - early 2000's Disney. Before the corporate heads went 100% in on max profits less soul and heart. It still brings a tear to my seeing the stark contrast.
15:32 while it is tropey there's a clever detail on that scene, silver is holding onto the treasure with his cyborg arm while trying to reach jim with his biological one, by letting go of the treasure and choosing jim he is also choosing his human side
To add to this. Earlier in the movie, Silver says "you give up a few things, chasing a dream" while looking at his cyborg arm. So it's also the arm that he only had because he wanted the treasure that then lets the treasure go
I'd like to point out that at the beginning, Jim is pretty much suffering from not having a father. But what is the film's solution to that? It is not literally having gotten a *replacement* father. The clumsy doctor pretty much proposed that to Jim's mother, who shot down *that* solution pretty much almost immediately. Jim instead went out into the world, following a map literally only he himself could read, and eventually bonded with an expert in the field that was exactly what Jim wanted to become - a spacer. However, Jim's solution is also *not* found in the *relationship* with this new-found father figure. At the end of the movie, he and Silver have parted ways, and the chance that Silver - a hunted pirate - is going to play *any* stable role in the life of the now-law-abiding Jim Hawkins is pretty much zero. So what is Jim's solution? Having become a man. Only with Silver's help, of course. He could not have done it by himself. But it was Jim who decided to set out, on an adventure, and it was Jim that was open to any opportunity that came his way. That's a life lesson right there, gentlemen.
My god thank you for writing this so eloquently. Captured Jim’s sentiment perfectly. I just watched this movie with my dad recently and it brought a new perspective to father-son relationships
I almost cried at the end when Long John Silver left the ship. During his departure, he did one last thing that made him a better father figure than Jim’s biological dad: giving him the choice to come with him. 😭
@@bell-bottombelphie9834 That... he gave enough of a shit about him to open up to Jim, when he needed it most. Something a good father figure would do. He knew the truth about what happened to Mr Arrow, and he just couldn't let Jim carry the weight of a man's death on his shoulders, not when he truly wasn't responsible... The deeper context of that speech is so moving, right down to how...deep down... he truly did BELIEVE that Jim was destined for something GREAT. "I hope I'm there catching some of the light coming off ya that day" ...one of the few times he ever told the truth, even if he didn't realize it himself.
For me its the fact in the last moments of the film silvers learns that the true treasure he needed was a family, and he found it in Jim but knew he had to leave him for Jim to find a treasure of his own.
"I hope I'm there. Catching some of the light coming off you on that day." This quote by Silver to Jim brings tears to my eyes. It's something you want to hear someone say to you and something you want to be able to say to others.
Two things I want to point out. 1) Jim injuring Silver in a way that makes him basically have to use a cane the next time they meet is great. Not only is it a physical parallel to the emotional injury that Silver gave Jim just a few moments ago but it also makes Silver feel weaker, if he had just strode up to Jim with his normal confidence he would have felt like an almost insurmountable obstacle but with him walking with a limp and having to sit down to rest when talking to Jim it makes him feel like hes just another person and knows that hes near the end of this thing that has consumed his life up until this point and is just tired. 2) I love how soft the make Silver look, his size makes him feel strong but every time that someone touches him or he touches his own face there is a bit of give there and to me atleas this is what a god father figure should be, strong but soft.
I wish that you had talked about Jim's final outfit when you were talking about his outfits. His final outfit is the lightest in the movie which kinda represents the culmination of his turn from self doubt to self confidence
@@AFlyingWalrus I guarantee we would have all sat watching with the same rapt attention, even if it doubled the length of the video, quality work like this has license to have legs on it.
I actually really like what they did with the trope about holding on to one thing and letting it go because they give it additional weight via visual storytelling: Silver's cyborg parts represents his love for the treasure and the sacrifices he's made in order to finally get it. He's worked his whole life for this one goal and has sacrificed even his own body in order to get whatever edge he can to get this treasure. And in fact it's those very cyborg parts that are enabling him to hold onto the ship at all in the first place. But when he finally makes that pivotal decision and he literally has to choose between two halves of his soul and his body, which half of him catches Jim? The living, flesh and blood, non-cyborg half of him. It adds so much more weight to the scene and I think really beautifully ties together Silver's character arc. Great vid, bro! Glad to see this movie getting some love it is SUCH a good one.
To be fair I’m a book nerd. And prefer when films adapt books they stick to the source material. But this film is the exception, I think mostly due to me not like Robert Louis Stevenson’s works. And this film feels more of inspiration than adaptation in the best way possible. And Silver is one of my absolute favorite Disney characters. This is how you write a sympathetic and complex villain.
"sympathetic and complex" that late night speech is a beautiful example of that. He knew that Jim wasn't responsible for the broken lifeline, but couldn't tell him outright. Yet, at the same time, he couldn't just let Jim carry the weight of a man's death on his shoulders, not when he was truly innocent.
The problem I saw with this film it was geared to teenagers. Today that wouldn’t be as much of an issue. But back when this movie came out the audience for animated movies was a younger pre-teen age. The movie was advertised to that audience and it didn’t work. The movie was basically ahead of its time.
Fast forward to today's iconic Non-child-oriented-animated-film "This is not a kids movie!!!" opening song. Mothers: If you take your kids to the movies, and you hear swearing or holocaust jokes to a musical tune in the first 3 minuets; get them out of there! It's not the writers to blame that your children just heard that.
Titan AE, which was basically the beta version of Treasure Planet, had the same problem I think. Anime wasn't as huge in the West as it is now and we had either kids' cartoons or Fresh Prince.
I watched this movie when I was around 9-10 ish and aboslutely loved that it was someone older....Kids can easily watch movies with older characters in them...they might not catch up on all of the themes but little 9 year old me was still able to see myself in the cool older teenager desperately wanting a father figure... Don't underestemate children my man.
In recent years you're starting to see the blend with 3D and 2D animation seamlessly and people act like SpiderVerse started it. Sadly this film is largely forgotten and it's crazy to me that the majority of people haven't even seen it! The artistry, writing, craftsmanship and perfectionism of this film fills me with joy everytime I see it. I just wish that Disney didn't betray it :(
Nah, Spiderverse started something different (I'd argue that it was ArcSys with Guilty Gear Xrd that started it and Spiderverse made it explode), the blend between 2D and 3D was well stablished.
Having watched both "Treasure Planet" and "John Carter" show how money-focused Disney was when an "off-beat film" was made as a passion project of their directors. Both were done as faithful and well-crafted works relating to older stories while also changing them as needed from the source material, but because of the timing they chose to "poorly" market the films for putting the focus on other areas. Clements and Musker were skilled directors, but they were forced to prove themselves through working on films for Disney they weren't entirely interested in doing as a way to get a chance to make their passion project and you can see just how deeply they cared as it was so well-developed. While done as a passion project by Andrew Stanton "John Carter" was poorly marketed because they didn't know what to market it as and apparently chose to put their focus on the newly-acquired Marvel and Lucasfilm properties rather than simply accept the "small tweaks" needed to finish the film before allowing it to go through and make back the $250M (which I think could have happened, with better marketing)
Was hoping you'd go into Delbert a little more in the adaptation breakdown. He's simultaneously the bumbling financier and serious family-friend doctor and by nature of having very specific expertise he fills both roles well without being inconsistent. The combination reduces the number of characters to introduce and gives more time for complex arcs, and it gives the doctor a more complex relationship with Jim himself since they're both annoyed with and still care about each other.
the algorithm is scary, because this popped up in my recommended despite never having watched any of your videos; as a diehard treasure planet fan im SO happy it did. this was such an amazing video, and its does such a good work of honoring this absolute fucking MASTERPIECE of a film. its been probably my favorite disney film since i was young, and share the same sentiment of watching it over and over again… alone jajaj . was super choked up over both the scenes and your commentary during the video 😭
The exact same thing happened to me with the algorithm, but I’m really glad it did bring this up it’s always nice to be reminded of this old masterpiece movies. I’m actually wondering if he’s covered Atlantis: The Lost Empire too because in my opinion that’s another one Disney did dirty.
Silver is my favorite character in any movie ever. "You got the makings of greatness in ya," and his face in the clouds at the end always make me tear up.
Im so glad that this film is getting the appreciation it deserves! I loved the details you pointed out. Honestly, the creators knew what they were doing at every step here. Costume design for Jim was excellent, I loved how you illustrated the colors representation to his arc. In that respect, having him arrive in white at the ending scene was a smart choice. I am relieved they didn't make the sequel to this film. The proposal sounded, to me, like a terrible premise, very trope-y. Which the OG has tropes, but they do a great job both flipping them or giving them teeth, such as the opening storybook scene and the scene where Silver saves Jim. I do wanna play Devil's Advocate about Ben. The character doesn't fit the tone of the rest of the film because he's from this other world "Treasure Planet". I'm thinking this adheres to the ol' Hero's Journey in some way. Though, I agree. I think they could have improved with Ben. I wonder if having Ben teased in the storybook opening and referenced by Billy perhaps as a message to Jim to find Ben's missing piece would have made the late intro both anticipated and easier to digest. I think the character needed more than plot too. Perhaps linking Ben's missing memories and desire to befriend Jim and his child-like persona to Jim's childhood and maybe a muddled memory of the abandonment of his father would have been a way to go. This could have been another pivotal character moment for Jim, I think, if just a few tweaks had been made. Loved this video essay! Thanks for making it :DDD
Tin foil hats aside, knowing how mega-corporations work I am 99% sure that the mouse mafia intentionally killed this movie. I never even heard about its existence and when I finally watched it at the age of 16 I was shocked and I couldn't believe that it actually came from Disney. Confused and flabbergasted about why it was so underrated I dug into it and found out about all the suspicious coincidences that led to this movie being basically buried alive, which only strenghtened my hatred for the mouse mafia :/ Even nowadays when quite a lot of people have spoken about how Treasure Planet is an absolutely fantastic hidden gem of Disney, the mouse mafia still don't even acknowledge it's existence. Idk about the USA, but in the rest of the world there isn't as much as a single piece of Treasure Planet merch, mention or anything. They actively kill any originality and quality in order to earn more money, they censor their creators (cough cough Luca cough), they don't even listen to their audience, like when Tangled the Series came out and people were hyped for a possible spin-off for a fan-favorite character, Varian, but the mouse mafia killed that idea with a snap of their fingers because duh, a fun magical adventure about a beloved young alchemist in the world of Tangled wouldn't make them as much money as a forced Frozen sequel where they made Elsa into a rip-off Avatar and completely butchered anything that was good about the first movie :/
I'm from Europe and have seen it in theaters, I loved it but didn't remember the name and nobody I asked seemed to know a movie with spaceships with sails. It was very frustrating
Here from the US. I was a kid when Treasure Planet came out. Didn't see it theaters (parents would rather go to see Harry Potter than a cartoon), but got it immediately when it came out on DVD. As far as merch goes, aside form McDonald's toys, I don't think there was really anything. No giant models of the ships, replica of laser pistols, map orbs, or anything like that. I think there might've been a handful of action figures, but nothing else. Supposedly there was some sort of strategy-based PC game, but I never really saw it in stores or any big advertisements for it.
I saw Treasure Planet in theaters when I was 9, and I remember how it felt to finally see a family like mine on screen. My father had walked off when I was very young, and I was raised by a single mother who worked really hard to make sure I was taken care of. The *I’m Still Here* scene touched me in a way I had never experienced. This wasn’t just a movie where the main character was missing a parent and it was never brought up or mentioned. The absence of Jim’s dad was always *there* and *felt*. It was pivotal to Jim’s entire character and development, and drove his relationship with Silver. I rediscovered this move on my 20th birthday, and from that moment, it was one of my favorite Disney movies of all time. I’m glad that other people in recent years have also rediscovered (or just discovered) this movie and how beautifully every part of it was done, from the animation to the music to the story. It always makes me sad that such an amazing film was set up to fail.
In middle school I had to write a book report on "Treasure Island" - didn't finish reading it, but watched the movie "Treasure Planet" and assumed most of the details would line up. Luckily I never got caught lol, but happy to see the film re-appraised. I think it's definitely the strongest of the "Deep Canvas" Disney movies (Tarzan, Atlantis), but had tough competition that year in terms of animation (Spirited Away and Lilo & Stitch). Sucks that many of these films underperformed at the box office. The 2D animated films of this era (Disney, DreamWorks, and even Warner Brothers) are real classics, and still hold up very well.
This and Atlantis are probably my favorite Disney movies. Because I don't dig Disney's formula. So here comes this gem. It was different, it took chances, and that message of that broken kid trying to figure themselves out? Hits everytime. Every. Time. Fantastic work. Thank you for this.
Fun fact: a lot of Disney's "experimental era" films (Lilo and Stitch, Dinosaur, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, Treasure Planet) came out of their Florida studio, when it was still operating in Walt Disney World. I think that's why they just have a different and unique feel and style and flavor. That studio's closed down now (because of course it is), which probably explains a few things.
Fun fact: the original design for captain Amelia was to give her tentacle hair, which was obviously cut and was used as an inspiration FOR PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN. (When Ben sings “yo-ho yo-ho a pirates life for me” is referencing the Disneyland ride) And something I didn’t pick up on right away, you know how pirates always have a parrot on their shoulder and the parrot mocks what everyone says? We’ll morph is the blob on Silvers shoulder that mocks appearances. I love how this movie isn’t painted in good and bad like black and white, and small details like that aren’t spelled out like they are for the new movies now. This film will forever hold a very special place in my life.
I recently watched the movie with its original voiceover for the first time. And while I always liked Silver in my own language, the sheer warmth and grit from his english voice actor makes me love him even more.
I never got to watch this movie when I was younger, in fact I learned of this movie when I was much older. 17 to be exact. I hadn't watched a lot of stuff because I had my grandparents around a lot more than my mum so my introduction to pop culture was much later than most. My boyfriend wanted me to watch this little movie I had only heard bad things about and I was sceptical, but he insisted saying I would fall in love with it. Within the first 10 minutes I was enamoured. Kids movies from Disney only ever had characters orphaned. A parent or both died in a tragic accident and the MC only ever had positive thoughts about their parents but Treasure Planet wasn't that. Jim's parent leaving him, that hit home. When I watched this movie, I understood him better than I had any other character and I felt seen. This movie had me in tears by the end because I had and still am Jim. This movie got me back into watching movies a lot more than I had before and the writing is something i strive to have as I try my best to enter the writing scene. This movie means so much to me and I rewatch it at least twice a year. I'm so sad it flopped, I'm so disheartened that I never got this movie as a child because maybe it would've helped small little baby me to feel less like a burden and something to be left behind.
I adore this film. That talk between Silver and Jim warms my heart so much. It’s so deep and genuine and even thinking about it gets me all misty-eyed.
I watched this in theatres when it came out, and I have loved this movie with the passion of a thousand dying suns ever since. I even cosplayed as the OG CatLady Captain Amelia herself at some point. This *is* a masterpiece of a movie, so feel free to scooch over on your hill-to-die-on, cuz I'm right there with you!
This movie always hits me because I really relate with Jim. My father and mother divorced when I was really young, and my replacement step father and I never bonded, I was scared of him and spent as little time around him as possible for abusive reasons of sorts. As such I latched onto father figures through the first half of my life. That Silver comforts Jim scene breaks me down every time. People that had their parents don't understand how much something small like that can really make a child feel like things are ok and they have some worth to the world
The premiere broke sorry about that friends. If it wasn't abundantly clear, Disney's biggest failure was how they handled Treasure Planet and set the film up to fail even though it's a modern classic. Also here is the Link to the Director's Cut and my Patreon www.patreon.com/flyingwalrus
I'm so glad for this video. Another adaptation I think you'd enjoy is Black Sails. As a prequel to Treasure Island, it does more than just flesh out Silver and Flint as characters, but reinterprets the book in a multitude of fantastic ways. It's also criminally underrated.
I saw the film an eternity ago and it's always stuck with me a bit. I always thought it was the aesthetic, but I've forgotten about the emotional core until now. And Silver's emotional speech... that hits hard. Even now. Thank you for your contribution to the film's return, and I'll definitely need to watch it again. (Came here from seeing the director's cut!)
I watched this movie as a kid and listened to the "audiobook" version a million times. As i grew older it faded to the back of my mind but never fell into obscurity and i wholeheartedly agree that Treasure Planet is fantastic and deserved way better. What a stunning and heartfelt interpretation of the source material (which i've also listened to a lot). I realy hope the creators know how beloved this movie is.
this whole video had me in tears because of how strongly treasure planet has resonated with me my whole life. it's always been my favorite disney movie and i always connected so deeply with jim and especially his relationship with silver. growing up with my own emotionally unavailable father, i clung to this depiction of father and son like it would save my life.
Great film analysis! I’m kind of curious of what your take is on Atlantis. Most people I know who love treasure planet also have a high regard for Atlantis; mostly because it suffered the same fate at the box office, despite it being a great adventure film.
I love Atlantis as a turn the brain off good wholesome action adventure with hot protagonists, great villains, and great action. Is it a pinnacle achievement of writing? No. But neither was Indiana Jones. But they both are great films for what they are. Great feel good action adventure films.
I personally despise Atlantis but I also love it. I love the story and it’s a great film I have no complaints with except that it’s like a complete rip off of the movie stargate I understand it’s common for Disney to do other people’s stories but for as much as Atlantis completely did a watered down version of stargate it annoys me that no one ever really talks about it
(Born 2007) I had very few Disney movies growing up on dvd, never had cable. One of the ones I had was treasure planet, and my god was it my favorite. Today I consider John Silver from this film my favorite fictional character of all time, and to see that this movie is getting some recognition after all this time is truly amazing. Thank you for this video.
I seriously think at this point, Disney (the company) has PTSD from the company’s history of close brushes with bankruptcy. Walt’s first company failed epically, Sleeping Beauty was an expensive Art Project that nearly bankrupted them, they struggled in the 70s after Walt died, and did an epic nosedive with The Black Cauldron because at the time audiences weren’t interested in dark fantasy and would rather frolic with pastel bears, only to pull the plane up at the last minute with The Little Mermaid. Nowadays, Disney doesn’t take chances anymore. No more expensive art projects. Just remake after remake after remake.
Sometimes I blame, some audiences and few those that bankrupted the studios just for something they don't like when they put so much work in the movie but it was a big flip.
You forgot when Disney went bankrupt in the middle of finishing Disney World and filming 20,000 Leagues under the Sea with a broken giant calmar. It took Walt charming a bunch of bankers and taking them on a turn of the studios and got them to imagine the scene when the broken calmar puppet would be fixed to get the money to finish the movie and Disney World. If 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea had flopped or even only been a middling success, Disney the company would had sunk with the Nautilus.
@@orangegalen for atlantis if you want a live action movie, go watch the Stargate Movie. I’ve seen it before but when I rewatched on tv as I older. I laughed at how much of the story beats were similar!
I never actually saw this movie as a kid, but the trailer for this movie is like a formative memory for me. That trailer stuck with me so much, definitely had to do with how many times I saw it since it was part of one of my VHS' but still. That shot when you see the crescent moon turn into a space station stuck with me for the rest of my life. And then I finally saw it as an adult. It destroyed me emotionally in the best way possible. I was sobbing over this movie not only just because it hit home for me. But just the love and passion that went into every frame makes me cry even harder.
This video essay is so good! God it’s so nice to hear someone be this passionate about this movie. I haven’t seen this movie since my old vhs player broke in like, 2014, but this movie meant so much to me as a kid and as a teenager. I have no idea how it got on my radar since I don’t think I regularly watched movies at the theater at that age, but maybe one of the bad trailers caught my attention and my parents were like, “well our kid does like adventure stories, so…”
Early 2000s disney hit different man. They came out with so many bangers back to back and this film easily takes the came for one of my favourite of its time. Loved the space pirate theme, mixed in with that el dorado vibe it just fit so damn well. Great early childhood memories
I can hear the emotions in your voice as you get really into it, as someone who grew up with this move lemme just say I appreciate you taking the time to talk about this HEAVILY under appreciated masterpiece ❤️
I swear, Disney makes the best father son relationships. A Goofy movie has excellent ways of connecting Goofy and max. Lion king has the heartfelt moments between Mufasa and Simba. and this movie takes two characters who aren’t even related and makes them feel like they are just meant to know each other.
Lemme tell ya. I rewatched this movie recently, and at the very end when Silver asks Jim what he sees off his bow, and Jim replies with simply "A future", I DID NOT CRY. I DID NOT. FUCKING. CRY. I DID NOT. I AM INCAPABLE OF CRYING. THAT SCENE DID NOT SLAM ME LIKE AN EMOTIONAL FREIGHT TRAIN. I MOST CERTAINLY DID NOT CRY. Goodness, I will take every excuse to rewatch this film. It resonates with my soul.
This is my all time favorite disney movie. And I grew up in the 90s with movies like lion king, toy story, and aladdin being my literal childhood. This movie just struck a chord with me and soared above all other disney movies, before and after it was made. My love for this incredible film runs very deep
I just want to add how I feel the first scene also does a really good job at hinting at the lack of Jim's father being around, that it's subtle enough to not raise any suspicions on the first few watchings (heck I just noticed it now and I've lost track of how many times I've seen this movie in my life) This is by far my favorite Disney movies and just movies of all time, it's always just spoke to me in a way no other film has. It's been so influential to me and seeing other people who appreciate it is so validating.
yes this movie, my god- everything about it just hit me so hard- i got to see it in theaters, as a young teen, for my birthday! it just couldn't have been more perfect- the character design, the score, pirates! baby Jim looking exactly like my baby cousin at the time... and the "makings of greatness in ye" scene, every time i see it, breaks my goddamn heart and rebuilds it- Treasure Planet John Silver is the greatest. my goofy ass was even in a Treasure Planet RP forum 'cause i loved the world they built so much. TREASURE PLANET
I didn’t watch this when it came out in theaters; the trailers scared me b/c I was quite the scared, little wuss at 5. I did watch when I was in a place similar to Jim. It was around the time I lost my step father and then moved to a whole different state. Despite doing my best and avoiding trouble, I always felt one mistake away from ruining everything and becoming a burden for everyone around me. Treasure Planet is one of my favorite movies for how much it hit’s me right in the heart.
Im so thankful that I was able to experience this film around the time of its release. My grandmother had it on VHS and it was one of my favorites to watch every time I went to visit her. Fantastic movie. Stunning visuals and world building. Exceptionally written characters. Even as a young child this movie got me emotional after every viewing. I hold this one in a special place. Thank you for reminding me of how much I love this film.
I love how genuinely excited and clearly passionate you are about this movie. It was always a guilty pleasure of mine growing up because EVERYONE else said what garbage it was and a shit story/movie and I'm like, "Are we even watching the same movie?!" I think since we live the era of adaptations, we are more accepting of the changes and upgrades made to the story than folks were when this movie first came out. Either that and/or we are all in desperate need of a little whimsy and this movie has it to spare. As you said, I love passion projects and this one shines with so much heart. It really is a solid film. Also: only Disney film to have our hero and our villain be open and emotional in multiple scenes, like holy crap! Bringing the vulnerability of just being human to the big screen!
You know what would be cool? More animated sci-fi twists on classic stories! I love classics and sci-fi, and this movie is the perfect blend! I just wish more like this were out there (although I'm sure there is, and I'd love to hear about them).
I wasn't really interested in this movie as a kid even when it was put on the television, probably because we got conditioned to like flashy, colorful and less mature things, and as a kid you can't really connect to a teenage protagonist as Jim. But when I got older and rewatched it again, I really felt stupid when you know to appreciate the nuances, the writing, the character development, setting and the stunning visuals. This movie definitely deserves to be a cult classic like it has become, and did deserve so so much more.
Same! I really wish I hadn’t taken for granted the chances I had to watch it when I was little. Now that I’m older and have seen the whole thing, it’s become an absolute favorite of mine 🥺
as a fatherless boy that spend the childhood whatching this movie and asking to myself "what have i done to make my dad so mad at me", this is the most important piece of art i ever consumed, it really helped me and still does, last year i remembered the jim's theme (im still here), i was at school and damn, it got me hard, then i watched a couple of times and i dont even know a word that describes how much this thing helped me. Great video, 1+ subscriber.
I was one of the few who saw this in the theatre. Even though it was marketed badly, I could see the animation was gorgeous, and I loved the idea of “Treasure Island in Space.” As a young father I raised my kids on this movie and never regretted that decision. And I think the final action climax, with Jim improvising his own skate rocket and barely making it through the gate, is one of the best ever.
My ONLY. Count it SINGULAR problem I have with the video is how underrated the music sound track is. I am sorry but I don't listen to little mermaid soundtrack on a monthly basis for a reason. But Jim's Song I'm Still here TO THIS DAY is played and favorited in every music service I have. And I will be damned if anyone knocks that song! it Spoke to me SO hard as a young teen. I LOVED this movie. and cry every time I watch it.
12:05 considering “Silver comforts Jim” is the name of the song from the soundtrack, it’s a perfect name for the scene 😄 I remember seeing commercials for this on tv but wasn’t super interested (due to the marketing and I clearly remember already being annoyed by B.E.N.). Years later in high school, something got me to watch it and I fell in love. More years beyond that and I still watch it to this day, listen to the soundtrack and even bought an art print. It’s such a masterpiece of a movie and it’s such a shame it didn’t do as well and many people haven’t watched it, but I’m just glad it exists ✨
As a child of divorce in his early teen years living with a single mother and a little brother i fell in love with this film. i can remember my first time watching it, i could relate to Jim in many ways, feeling insecure and feeling like i'm good for nothing, seeing my mom trying her best to raise me as best as she can, trying to live up to the expectations and growing up without a real father figure... this movie meant a lot to me, it was more than just a cartoon... it was and is literally the only movie that has managed to make me emotional watching it, i remember watching it every week for a period of time and trying my hardest to man up and not to get teary eyed during a few emotional scenes or during those flashback montages with that amazing soundtrack, i could almost see myself in Jim. So when i got older and realized that this film was considered a failure i was truely shocked, couldn't believe how much Disney hated it. Treasure Planet will forever have a special place in my heart, i don't care what anybody says, i also consider it a masterpiece and the BEST Disney movie of all time, everything about it is perfect, the plot, the visuals, the characters, the music... god bless the creators of it for making this film.
My mom took me and siblings to see this when we were little, specifically because she loved treasure island, and after the film so did we. the choice doesn't sound like much without context, but we went to the movies about 2-3 times a year and she's a huge Harry Potter fan as well, and she still chose to take us to see treasure planet.
Thats pretty cool, she like gave up a piece of her,almost, to see what ypu guys probably wanted to see. Also its cool to know your mom was a fan of treasure island. I want to be a parent like that! Obviously i know nothing about you or your mother but your little story is sweet.
I love this movie! I have such a strong memory of going to see this movie with my dad, loving it, having the fattest crush on Jim, and them walking out of the theater to the most beautiful, softly falling snow I've ever seen. It's a memory that has stuck with me for a very long time. I don't remember seeing HP2 or The Santa Clause 2 despite being a fan of both those film series, but I very distinctly remember a story about space pirates, a daddy daughter movie night, and beautiful snow.
12:06 I don't see that scene as "Silver comforts Jim," there is to much emotion, to much... pride in his speech for it to be comfort. To me it is "Silver inspires Jim."
I can't say I loved Treasure Planet as a kid, but remember enjoying it at the very least. I also agree that they knew EXACTLY what they were doing with Captain Cat-Lady. Watching the movie now at near 30 years old just makes me think, "so that's how that became one of my types." As for Ben . . . pretty much. He's not the worst in "annoying comedic sidekick" category in this era of animated movies, but yeah. If perhaps the loud and obnoxious humor bit was balanced with something it would work better. I would be the complete opposite of surprised to learn Ben was written this way because its a kids movie and the studio demanded it.
You mentioned your fear to being children into the world - Once, when I was in high school, my dad related to me that he grew up with a similar fear. My dad was born in 1962, right before the Cuban missile crisis. He grew up in fear of the Soviet Union triggering a nuclear war at any moment. But as he grew older, times changed somewhat. He expressed the joy he had, seeing the birth of each of us, in a way I rarely see my dad get emotional. My two older sisters have had children more recently, in the midst of this pandemic. It has changed them. Raising a child is not easy, but in the midst of all going on in the world, their children are perfectly fine, and it brings them a lot of happiness. It brings relief from the constant negativity. I apologize if this soapbox preaching has made anyone reading this uncomfortable. It is a very big decision to have children - but if you decide to, it should not be an afterthought - it should be one of the major purposes of your life. I think that the joy found in raising children cannot be found anywhere else. I think further, that the next generation of people needs children who believe the world can be a better place. If we believe the world will stay depressing, fearful, and bleak, then it will. If we decide we are going to actively fight to make it better, and teach that to our children, they will believe the world can be a great place. The greatest crisis our society faces is one of giving up. We need people who do not want to give up.
Yeah Sinbad ranks up there high with me as well. I think it helped that Spike is a mastiff and he reminded me of my bullmastiffs. Man I miss the days of 2d animated films.
just watched it for the first time, absolutely beautiful film from start to finish, it really was almost perfect aside from the annoying robot. movie makers really did just think every kids movie needs a comic relief to keep kids attention. and the animation was just... next level. that seamless blend between 2D and 3D (aside from BEN I SWEAR ON MY LIFE BEN-) is just breathtaking and what i wish movies would play with more than they do. obviously its expensive and a lot of effort, but the results speak for themselves, maybe not money wise (it would speak money wise if it wasnt sabotaged.) but visually it makes for something worth watching all by itself. truly, the art for a movie alone speaks for the heart in it to me. when i see stunning animation, i see a team that cares, which means that the whole thing will be just as good.
I've just seen Treasure Planet for the first time as well and you're the first one I see adressing that annoying robot lmao. I gotta say that this isn't a flawless movie like everyone say, but for me it's just because of all those long sequences of the mushroom forest (or whatever that was lol). However - those scenes aside - this movie is indeed really gorgeous, it's just a real shame that a good chunk of this watch is taken by meaningless moments of that damn Ben. I just wish that the film had taken that useless time to (perhaps) focus even more on Jim and Silver's relationship, because I've never seen something quite like it and I found it genuinely so interesting
Great video! You did well summing up what makes this movie so great. Jim and Silver are some of my favorite characters ever, and their dynamic is simply perfection. I also always loved how morally gray Silver is as an antagonist, which is something one doesn't see every day in a western animated film. But yeah, really happy to see another fine video giving this movie some much earned love~
I can't describe how emotional I get every time I watch this movie! Especially the scene with Jim just resting his head on Silver's belly is just *chefs kiss* You can really feel all of his emotion and I now want to cry...
This film was part of my childhood. I remember watching it. I didn't see it in theaters, but I did still see it in the mid to late 2000s. I remember adoring the film. Even Ben (early signs of an engineer perhaps?). I wanted to explore that world, figure out how its tech worked ... I still do. How are they able to breathe in space? How is any of this possible?
22:10 ok so I LOVE this small visual detail here, notice how they drew his neck, the muscle is strained showing how he is pulling his head away hard in order to not face silver, and his problems. It it also shows the physical energy of the shot, emphasizing the heavy hand of silver pulling on Jim, which also shows that Jim does care for him and realizes that he needs his help, weather he sees it or not. it's insane how just 3 lines can convey all of that.
I mean Outlaw Star did scifi treasure island before this... and had a Cat Girl (and has been a thing since... like the 70s). Considering how much Atlantis borrowed from anime as well... well *cough*. >.> At least Treasure Planet was much more original in execution.
I totally agree with you on everything. I fell in love with this over 20 years ago and plan to get a Treasure Planet tattoo. As an angsty teen, I related heavily to Jim's story arc. Now that I'm older, I tell/obsess more over the story arc between the captain and the doc. I've been writing fan fiction since I first saw the film on how their relationship develops between the hug and the reopening of the inn when you find out they had children. They are such a cute couple, and it often reminds me of my husband and me. 9000% masterpiece. I figure if they refuse to do anything with it story-wise, I will.
This movie has been part of my life for so long. I love it so much. I recently watched it and it's so amazing. Jim connects the dots and he knows. He knows that Silver is the pirate who burned his house down, he knows he's the bad guy. But they still end up bonding. It's so. So. Good.
I know ive seen this film but barely remember it. at the 13min mark it all came shooting back because I suddenly remembered how painful the betrayal was. Fuck this is a good movie to be doing that after almost 10 years
This movie, like brother bear, was watched over and over in my house growing up. It was the first thing I watched when I got disney plus and the opening is one I will react to every time. I listen to Annapantsu's cover of the one song frequently, though I adore the original TH-cam just doesn't throw that one at me as often. This movie is my childhood and shaped me in so many ways and I will not stand for people disliking it. It is absolutely in my top movies of all time.
Thanks for the explanation of what Deep Canvas was. I knew that it was a process that mixed 2D and 3D animation, but I didn't know how laborious and expensive it truly was. Amazing as the results are, it's sadly easy to see why so few films used it. Both Treasure Planet and Atlantis: The Lost Empire were my favorite Disney movies growing up. I still love both films, but while I noticed more of Atlantis's flaws as I got older, I came to love Treasure Planet even more. I adore the visual style and art direction of this movie, the story is one of Disney's best, and they nailed the relationship between Jim and Silver. It's a movie I come away with another thing to love after watching.
The scene where Silver gives his speech to Jim is one of my favorite moments from the movie. My favorite being when Jim saves the crew from Treasure Planet blowing up.
I would go see this movie multiple times if it would ever be put back in the theater. Sadly I was simply too young to ever go see any of these great 2D movies by myself and I don’t think I was even aware of their existence either because I was too young. I wish my parents had just decided on their own to just take me to see some of these movies but I don’t remember them ever doing that and once I was old enough it was already too late because the movie industry had already decided to stop making 2D movies. That’s why I pray that sometime in the near future they will bring back this style of movie making but this time it’ll be here to stay forever.
This is one of the few that made me want to see more of the universe that was created. The art style, the animation, the writing, the characters, I loved every facet of this film as a kid and still to this day.
I'm glad to see so many people here appreciate and love this film! As a kid, I saw the previews and knew I had to see this one. I convinced my parents to take me to Treasure Planet in an IMAX theater on christmas eve and I was totally blown away. Definitely the most underappreciated Disney flick!
Man........ this certainly takes me back. When this movie came out, my dad had this thing over the summer break where he would take one of my siblings and I out to just hang out. When it was my turn, Treasure Planet just opened in the theaters so my dad thought "why not" It really sucks to learn that it flopped cuz *I freaking LOVED this movie*. Everything was just spectacular, amazing, beautiful, awesome and the pinnacle of animation! I never knew what deep canvas was or how difficult and expensive it is but I truly wish Disney went back to it. The movies they're making now feel cheap, dull, predictable and boring. I would sacrifice everything Disney has put out for the past 6 years in order for this movie to get a sequel. Yes I am willing to make that sacrifice lol Also did you know there were plans for a sequel? A different youtuber I saw talked about it. There was a synopsis and while it did sound like fun, Disney had already pulled the plug on it so it got scrapped. The story was that Jim had entered the naval academy and while he's not hoity toity like his classmates, his quick thinking and his experience from the first movie gave him an edge. He even had a rival/ love interest introduced. Then the navy introduces their greatest ship in the history of the academy....... which gets stolen by pirates. Only Jim and his love interest sneak aboard and eventually they run into Silver and ask him for help. Jim is pro silver while his rival is all "but he's a pirate" and I kinda forgot how it's supposed to end. Regardless i totally agree that this movie is a *masterpiece*
This movie is the only one in existence I have gone researching for literally every single bit of extra lore and behind-the-scenes details I can get my hands on, that's how important it is to me.
You and me both. I feel like bc it’s just so underrated and never mentioned that you have to go out of your way to find something about it or other people talking about it
I've always loved this film - even when I saw it as a kid. I've always been frustrated that it didn't get the marketing push it deserved. Also, I never noticed the change in Jim's costume - great catch!
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I'm one of the lucky ones who got to see Treasure Planet as a kid and fell in love with it immediately. At the time I was too young to understand or care much about how advertising and release dates impact a movie's success and what that means for the company as a whole, so it was surprising and heartbreaking to learn when I was older that Treasure Planet had been considered a failure. You are 1000% correct to call this movie a masterpiece. It tugs at my heartstrings in a way few other Disney movies manage to, and it's criminally underrated. Here's hoping more people who missed out continue to discover what a gem Treasure Planet really is.
I was lucky as well to see it the first time when I was young. For me however my favorite Disney movie from this period is Atlantis the Lost Empire. I was very interested in Atlantis as a kid so having a movie focused on this myth was really exciting. I’m still salty it didn’t get the respect I felt it deserved and I’m still waiting for Atlantis to make an appearance (or at least a mention) in Kingdom Hearts. I mean I’m certain Nomura could pull off adapting the story to Kingdom Hearts lore and I believe it would help generate new fans of the film by having it in Kingdom Hearts. Plus the music for the movie is incredible. The Crystal Chamber song is a masterpiece that uses instruments in traditional Balinese music and I think Yoko Shimomura would do an incredible job of adapting the songs for Kingdom Hearts.
Same. I thought nobody knew what it was and then my friend said he saw it for the first time years later and I was like “what? You hasn’t watched it before”
@@mirandagoldstine8548 in hindsight Atlantis isn’t as objectively good as treasure planet but it’s definitely underrated
Yeah, I saw both Treasure Planet and Atlantis in the theaters as a child, and was quite surprised as an adult to learn that they flopped... I mean, I was too young to have any real appreciation for the story, or characters... But they were both so visually stunning! And the aesthetics! Just... (emphatic grunt thing)
I can’t believe Disney actively spoiled a plot twist in some of the PVs…
“This film is a masterpiece, and I will die on this hill.” Same. So much. Loved it from the moment I saw it in theaters as a kid. I was obsessed with the story and the art and characters, the music too. When I bought my PS2, I bought the Treasure Planet game to go with it. I listened to the soundtrack constantly. It’s been one of my topmost favorite Disney films ever since. And I still get emotional. It’s good to hear other people talk about how much they love it too.
You will die on this hill? THEN I'M COMING WITH YOU MR FRODO!!!
Like Silver, we will raise our flag. Like Jim, we will stand tall. Treasure Planet, is a treasure trove held close to our hearts. The crew is real, for we are the crew. ✨✨
I think the biggest change is John Silver. He is the character that history remembers, not what he actually was in the book. The framing of his relationship with Jim, compared with Jim and his own father is so well done, it still effects me when Silver comes back for Jim in the skiff.
The song that’s played in the movie is by John Rzeznik- I’m still here
This really is a great song for that scene I found it on Apple Music this movie really is a masterpiece
You should try the PC game, Battle at Procyon. It was a fantastic RTS game that acted as the sequel we never got.
The thought that this movie was ever considered a "failure" has boggled my mind for many years. Everyone I have ever spoken to about this movie who has seen it has absolutely loved it.
Every. Single. One.
And the idea that it somehow flopped at the box office on release never made any sense to me either. Until you explained what was most likely Disney's "practices". Seeing what they're like now that I'm an adult and the decisions they've made over the last ten-ish years non of this surprises me either, but it does explain A LOT of confusion I had.
It was utterly sabotaged at the box-office. What little marketing it had was misleading _and_ spoilery and the timing was horrendous, to name but some of the more major factors. While it probably would not have done as well as some of their other films (smaller target audience than their standard fare, proportionally higher cost of production), the executives went way out of their way to undermine it financially.
meh, the book was better
Well, recently saw it.
I didn't "absolutely love" it.
I enjoyed the Hawkins and Silver relationship, but that was about it.
Everything else just felt like a hodge podge Disney movie.
Here's farting aliens, different races and shapeshifters just being dumped on you.
Gotta have the cutesy wutesy stuff in it, because ofc.
Still, better than Black Cauldron which I saw immediately after it.
I didn't love it. I didn't even like it all that much as a kid, tbh. There are some elements of this movie that are strong, and other that are really weak. It is a bit of a mixed bag.
Disney international revealed plot points in the trailers which I believe were only released a week before the film. Also they chose to release it agaisnt Lilo and Stitch reasons being it was a passion project for the creators that Disney was obligated to make..
I lost my dad at 15, at 21 I started working at my local deli, a year in I met a man around 58, he understood me, he has been very funny, patient, and has been through a lot in his life, he is definitely a father I needed in my life, and he honestly looks at me as a son. I never thought I would see myself so much like Jim so many years later in life.
hahh GAAAAY
Let's be real it's Disney's fault this movie flopped cause they didn't want it to get popular i blame Disney and i think many fans do too
Then I think you will like the video
@@AFlyingWalrus Disney ruined the release of Treasure Planet to end 2d animation, yet they hired Ron and John to direct the Princess and the Frog??????
That’s a really stupid take lmao
To be fair Pixar got a lot of attention at the time which is probably why this film didn’t do well
@@watchforever1724 Competition got so much worse in the mid 2000's.
Honestly I feel like Silver isn’t the real villain of the movie, like yeah, he’s a pirate captain and has to act tough to keep control on his crew, but I feel like the moments he spent with Jim are more of his true self showing up. If you want a real villain, that crab guy who killed the ship’s second in command.
Congratulations, you pointed out the most obvious aspect of this entire movie, something which it directly tells you
the proper word to describe him is Antagonist.
@@AnAverageGoblin In fact i would say that he is the villain but not the antagonist. He is more of a mix between the rival, the lancelot and the mentor.
You mean that psycho-spider?
A little uglier.
Yeah, him.
@@anecro Congratulations, you are so self centred that you cant see someone sharing what they think without seeing it as a personal affront to yourself. You think that you come across as superior by needlessly putting others down, but it just shows your insecurity and myopia that you cant relate to others. Do you feel better now?
Note taken: Silver is the pinnacle of the Magnificent Bastard trope. And has an arm that makes me think they specifically hired a respectable mechanical engineer for him to figure out how the arm would work.
A younger me was constantly trying to figure out how to make that arm out of Lego, never had enough parts or knowledge.
Still in awe of it today and wondering if my 3D modeling skills and 3D printer are up to task...
Well that arm is more now you see it now you don't kinda like r2d2
@@sky0kast0 but even then, it has the space for everything save the cannon, and possibly even then
All of Silver's mech parts would be able to work irl. I watched a BTS about it and they designed it so it'd all fit. It's a whole rig they never swap off of for another model.
@@Star_Rattler that's insane. they didn't have to do that, yet they succeeded anyway? damn.
I miss when Disney made well written, heart warming, meaningful films and pushed the envelope of what was possible with animation.
I think one of my favourite parts that, unfortunately, got skipped over but shows just how clever the writing and transitions are is when Sarah is saying she misses when Jim was a kid "A smiling, happy little boy holding a new pet and begging me to let him keep it." only for Delbert to open the door to the rain and thunder to show Jim carrying Billy Bones. Flawless set up and pay off.
Nothing will ever come close to 90's - early 2000's Disney. Before the corporate heads went 100% in on max profits less soul and heart. It still brings a tear to my seeing the stark contrast.
This was such a genuine fun adventure movie with a fulfilling plot and narrative
@Pickled Fitzgerald I agree whole heartedly if you include black cauldron the best old style Disney movie
15:32 while it is tropey there's a clever detail on that scene, silver is holding onto the treasure with his cyborg arm while trying to reach jim with his biological one, by letting go of the treasure and choosing jim he is also choosing his human side
Ooh that is a really good catch man. I didn't even think about that.
Awesome interpretation, good eye, great brain
To add to this. Earlier in the movie, Silver says "you give up a few things, chasing a dream" while looking at his cyborg arm. So it's also the arm that he only had because he wanted the treasure that then lets the treasure go
I'd like to point out that at the beginning, Jim is pretty much suffering from not having a father.
But what is the film's solution to that?
It is not literally having gotten a *replacement* father. The clumsy doctor pretty much proposed that to Jim's mother, who shot down *that* solution pretty much almost immediately.
Jim instead went out into the world, following a map literally only he himself could read, and eventually bonded with an expert in the field that was exactly what Jim wanted to become - a spacer.
However, Jim's solution is also *not* found in the *relationship* with this new-found father figure. At the end of the movie, he and Silver have parted ways, and the chance that Silver - a hunted pirate - is going to play *any* stable role in the life of the now-law-abiding Jim Hawkins is pretty much zero.
So what is Jim's solution?
Having become a man.
Only with Silver's help, of course. He could not have done it by himself.
But it was Jim who decided to set out, on an adventure, and it was Jim that was open to any opportunity that came his way.
That's a life lesson right there, gentlemen.
"I'm a boy, no, I'm a man"
Reaaaaaally hits hard, doesn't it?
@@TheNachmar You can't take me and throw me away.
My god thank you for writing this so eloquently. Captured Jim’s sentiment perfectly. I just watched this movie with my dad recently and it brought a new perspective to father-son relationships
I almost cried at the end when Long John Silver left the ship. During his departure, he did one last thing that made him a better father figure than Jim’s biological dad: giving him the choice to come with him. 😭
AND ACTUALLY SAID GOODBYE
AND Threw him some PRICELESS COIN from the biggest treasure trove ever to rebuild the inn he destroyed at the beginning of the movie!
AND He Actually Gave A Shit About Jim!
@@bell-bottombelphie9834 That... he gave enough of a shit about him to open up to Jim, when he needed it most. Something a good father figure would do. He knew the truth about what happened to Mr Arrow, and he just couldn't let Jim carry the weight of a man's death on his shoulders, not when he truly wasn't responsible...
The deeper context of that speech is so moving, right down to how...deep down... he truly did BELIEVE that Jim was destined for something GREAT.
"I hope I'm there catching some of the light coming off ya that day" ...one of the few times he ever told the truth, even if he didn't realize it himself.
For me its the fact in the last moments of the film silvers learns that the true treasure he needed was a family, and he found it in Jim but knew he had to leave him for Jim to find a treasure of his own.
"I hope I'm there. Catching some of the light coming off you on that day." This quote by Silver to Jim brings tears to my eyes. It's something you want to hear someone say to you and something you want to be able to say to others.
This vid better be about how bloody brilliant this movie truly is
Oh don't worry
Did you read the title?
@@HamazuraGOD it didn't have this title when I made this comment. The vid wasn't even out yet when I made this comment.
@@ThelouwseFD
Ahh okay 👍
Two things I want to point out.
1) Jim injuring Silver in a way that makes him basically have to use a cane the next time they meet is great. Not only is it a physical parallel to the emotional injury that Silver gave Jim just a few moments ago but it also makes Silver feel weaker, if he had just strode up to Jim with his normal confidence he would have felt like an almost insurmountable obstacle but with him walking with a limp and having to sit down to rest when talking to Jim it makes him feel like hes just another person and knows that hes near the end of this thing that has consumed his life up until this point and is just tired.
2) I love how soft the make Silver look, his size makes him feel strong but every time that someone touches him or he touches his own face there is a bit of give there and to me atleas this is what a god father figure should be, strong but soft.
I wish that you had talked about Jim's final outfit when you were talking about his outfits. His final outfit is the lightest in the movie which kinda represents the culmination of his turn from self doubt to self confidence
I almost did, but the video was already dragging in places so that section got cut. Looking back on it I wish I threw it in there as a slight nod.
@@AFlyingWalrus I guarantee we would have all sat watching with the same rapt attention, even if it doubled the length of the video, quality work like this has license to have legs on it.
I actually really like what they did with the trope about holding on to one thing and letting it go because they give it additional weight via visual storytelling: Silver's cyborg parts represents his love for the treasure and the sacrifices he's made in order to finally get it. He's worked his whole life for this one goal and has sacrificed even his own body in order to get whatever edge he can to get this treasure. And in fact it's those very cyborg parts that are enabling him to hold onto the ship at all in the first place. But when he finally makes that pivotal decision and he literally has to choose between two halves of his soul and his body, which half of him catches Jim? The living, flesh and blood, non-cyborg half of him. It adds so much more weight to the scene and I think really beautifully ties together Silver's character arc. Great vid, bro! Glad to see this movie getting some love it is SUCH a good one.
To be fair I’m a book nerd. And prefer when films adapt books they stick to the source material. But this film is the exception, I think mostly due to me not like Robert Louis Stevenson’s works. And this film feels more of inspiration than adaptation in the best way possible. And Silver is one of my absolute favorite Disney characters. This is how you write a sympathetic and complex villain.
"sympathetic and complex"
that late night speech is a beautiful example of that. He knew that Jim wasn't responsible for the broken lifeline, but couldn't tell him outright. Yet, at the same time, he couldn't just let Jim carry the weight of a man's death on his shoulders, not when he was truly innocent.
Treasure Planet is literally what sparked my love for all things Steampunk. I really want to write my own Steampunk novel thanks to this movie.
Same!!!
Same!
The problem I saw with this film it was geared to teenagers. Today that wouldn’t be as much of an issue. But back when this movie came out the audience for animated movies was a younger pre-teen age. The movie was advertised to that audience and it didn’t work. The movie was basically ahead of its time.
Quite literally so, considering Pirates of the Caribbean was released less than a year later.
Fast forward to today's iconic Non-child-oriented-animated-film "This is not a kids movie!!!" opening song.
Mothers: If you take your kids to the movies, and you hear swearing or holocaust jokes to a musical tune in the first 3 minuets; get them out of there! It's not the writers to blame that your children just heard that.
Idk I remember loving this movie as a small child
Titan AE, which was basically the beta version of Treasure Planet, had the same problem I think. Anime wasn't as huge in the West as it is now and we had either kids' cartoons or Fresh Prince.
I watched this movie when I was around 9-10 ish and aboslutely loved that it was someone older....Kids can easily watch movies with older characters in them...they might not catch up on all of the themes but little 9 year old me was still able to see myself in the cool older teenager desperately wanting a father figure...
Don't underestemate children my man.
In recent years you're starting to see the blend with 3D and 2D animation seamlessly and people act like SpiderVerse started it.
Sadly this film is largely forgotten and it's crazy to me that the majority of people haven't even seen it! The artistry, writing, craftsmanship and perfectionism of this film fills me with joy everytime I see it. I just wish that Disney didn't betray it :(
The blend of 3d and 2d goes as far back as 1994 when Lion King used it, hell it was even used before that for live action movies.
Nah, Spiderverse started something different (I'd argue that it was ArcSys with Guilty Gear Xrd that started it and Spiderverse made it explode), the blend between 2D and 3D was well stablished.
Having watched both "Treasure Planet" and "John Carter" show how money-focused Disney was when an "off-beat film" was made as a passion project of their directors. Both were done as faithful and well-crafted works relating to older stories while also changing them as needed from the source material, but because of the timing they chose to "poorly" market the films for putting the focus on other areas. Clements and Musker were skilled directors, but they were forced to prove themselves through working on films for Disney they weren't entirely interested in doing as a way to get a chance to make their passion project and you can see just how deeply they cared as it was so well-developed. While done as a passion project by Andrew Stanton "John Carter" was poorly marketed because they didn't know what to market it as and apparently chose to put their focus on the newly-acquired Marvel and Lucasfilm properties rather than simply accept the "small tweaks" needed to finish the film before allowing it to go through and make back the $250M (which I think could have happened, with better marketing)
Was hoping you'd go into Delbert a little more in the adaptation breakdown. He's simultaneously the bumbling financier and serious family-friend doctor and by nature of having very specific expertise he fills both roles well without being inconsistent.
The combination reduces the number of characters to introduce and gives more time for complex arcs, and it gives the doctor a more complex relationship with Jim himself since they're both annoyed with and still care about each other.
the algorithm is scary, because this popped up in my recommended despite never having watched any of your videos; as a diehard treasure planet fan im SO happy it did.
this was such an amazing video, and its does such a good work of honoring this absolute fucking MASTERPIECE of a film.
its been probably my favorite disney film since i was young, and share the same sentiment of watching it over and over again… alone jajaj . was super choked up over both the scenes and your commentary during the video 😭
The exact same thing happened to me with the algorithm, but I’m really glad it did bring this up it’s always nice to be reminded of this old masterpiece movies. I’m actually wondering if he’s covered Atlantis: The Lost Empire too because in my opinion that’s another one Disney did dirty.
Silver is my favorite character in any movie ever. "You got the makings of greatness in ya," and his face in the clouds at the end always make me tear up.
Im so glad that this film is getting the appreciation it deserves! I loved the details you pointed out. Honestly, the creators knew what they were doing at every step here. Costume design for Jim was excellent, I loved how you illustrated the colors representation to his arc. In that respect, having him arrive in white at the ending scene was a smart choice. I am relieved they didn't make the sequel to this film. The proposal sounded, to me, like a terrible premise, very trope-y. Which the OG has tropes, but they do a great job both flipping them or giving them teeth, such as the opening storybook scene and the scene where Silver saves Jim. I do wanna play Devil's Advocate about Ben. The character doesn't fit the tone of the rest of the film because he's from this other world "Treasure Planet". I'm thinking this adheres to the ol' Hero's Journey in some way. Though, I agree. I think they could have improved with Ben. I wonder if having Ben teased in the storybook opening and referenced by Billy perhaps as a message to Jim to find Ben's missing piece would have made the late intro both anticipated and easier to digest. I think the character needed more than plot too. Perhaps linking Ben's missing memories and desire to befriend Jim and his child-like persona to Jim's childhood and maybe a muddled memory of the abandonment of his father would have been a way to go. This could have been another pivotal character moment for Jim, I think, if just a few tweaks had been made. Loved this video essay! Thanks for making it :DDD
Thanks for the in depth comment. Was a great read
Tin foil hats aside, knowing how mega-corporations work I am 99% sure that the mouse mafia intentionally killed this movie. I never even heard about its existence and when I finally watched it at the age of 16 I was shocked and I couldn't believe that it actually came from Disney. Confused and flabbergasted about why it was so underrated I dug into it and found out about all the suspicious coincidences that led to this movie being basically buried alive, which only strenghtened my hatred for the mouse mafia :/
Even nowadays when quite a lot of people have spoken about how Treasure Planet is an absolutely fantastic hidden gem of Disney, the mouse mafia still don't even acknowledge it's existence. Idk about the USA, but in the rest of the world there isn't as much as a single piece of Treasure Planet merch, mention or anything. They actively kill any originality and quality in order to earn more money, they censor their creators (cough cough Luca cough), they don't even listen to their audience, like when Tangled the Series came out and people were hyped for a possible spin-off for a fan-favorite character, Varian, but the mouse mafia killed that idea with a snap of their fingers because duh, a fun magical adventure about a beloved young alchemist in the world of Tangled wouldn't make them as much money as a forced Frozen sequel where they made Elsa into a rip-off Avatar and completely butchered anything that was good about the first movie :/
Wait we could’ve gotten a Varían movie? God Fucking dammit!
I'm from Europe and have seen it in theaters, I loved it but didn't remember the name and nobody I asked seemed to know a movie with spaceships with sails. It was very frustrating
@@tp6335 I'm from Eastern Europe and nobody knew about it when it first came out, only years later did I and my friends watch it online
Omg yes!! Varian and the seven kingdoms!!
Here from the US. I was a kid when Treasure Planet came out. Didn't see it theaters (parents would rather go to see Harry Potter than a cartoon), but got it immediately when it came out on DVD. As far as merch goes, aside form McDonald's toys, I don't think there was really anything. No giant models of the ships, replica of laser pistols, map orbs, or anything like that. I think there might've been a handful of action figures, but nothing else. Supposedly there was some sort of strategy-based PC game, but I never really saw it in stores or any big advertisements for it.
I saw Treasure Planet in theaters when I was 9, and I remember how it felt to finally see a family like mine on screen. My father had walked off when I was very young, and I was raised by a single mother who worked really hard to make sure I was taken care of. The *I’m Still Here* scene touched me in a way I had never experienced. This wasn’t just a movie where the main character was missing a parent and it was never brought up or mentioned. The absence of Jim’s dad was always *there* and *felt*. It was pivotal to Jim’s entire character and development, and drove his relationship with Silver.
I rediscovered this move on my 20th birthday, and from that moment, it was one of my favorite Disney movies of all time. I’m glad that other people in recent years have also rediscovered (or just discovered) this movie and how beautifully every part of it was done, from the animation to the music to the story. It always makes me sad that such an amazing film was set up to fail.
In middle school I had to write a book report on "Treasure Island" - didn't finish reading it, but watched the movie "Treasure Planet" and assumed most of the details would line up. Luckily I never got caught lol, but happy to see the film re-appraised. I think it's definitely the strongest of the "Deep Canvas" Disney movies (Tarzan, Atlantis), but had tough competition that year in terms of animation (Spirited Away and Lilo & Stitch).
Sucks that many of these films underperformed at the box office. The 2D animated films of this era (Disney, DreamWorks, and even Warner Brothers) are real classics, and still hold up very well.
This and Atlantis are probably my favorite Disney movies. Because I don't dig Disney's formula.
So here comes this gem. It was different, it took chances, and that message of that broken kid trying to figure themselves out? Hits everytime.
Every. Time.
Fantastic work. Thank you for this.
Agreed, Atlantis is another absolute masterpiece (forget the second one, we don't talk about that)
Fun fact: a lot of Disney's "experimental era" films (Lilo and Stitch, Dinosaur, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, Treasure Planet) came out of their Florida studio, when it was still operating in Walt Disney World. I think that's why they just have a different and unique feel and style and flavor.
That studio's closed down now (because of course it is), which probably explains a few things.
I like Lilo and Stitch. In fact I’m considering watching it right now as I watch this video.
Fun fact: the original design for captain Amelia was to give her tentacle hair, which was obviously cut and was used as an inspiration FOR PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN. (When Ben sings “yo-ho yo-ho a pirates life for me” is referencing the Disneyland ride)
And something I didn’t pick up on right away, you know how pirates always have a parrot on their shoulder and the parrot mocks what everyone says? We’ll morph is the blob on Silvers shoulder that mocks appearances. I love how this movie isn’t painted in good and bad like black and white, and small details like that aren’t spelled out like they are for the new movies now. This film will forever hold a very special place in my life.
Love this movie. Definitely an underrated classic- and I love seeing passion videos like this one giving the love it deserves!
It's a wonderful movie
I recently watched the movie with its original voiceover for the first time. And while I always liked Silver in my own language, the sheer warmth and grit from his english voice actor makes me love him even more.
Honestly that movie has some of the best voice acting of all time.
What's your language? I'm Polish and I absolutely love polish dub, Silver sounds perfectly, everyone do
I never got to watch this movie when I was younger, in fact I learned of this movie when I was much older. 17 to be exact. I hadn't watched a lot of stuff because I had my grandparents around a lot more than my mum so my introduction to pop culture was much later than most. My boyfriend wanted me to watch this little movie I had only heard bad things about and I was sceptical, but he insisted saying I would fall in love with it.
Within the first 10 minutes I was enamoured. Kids movies from Disney only ever had characters orphaned. A parent or both died in a tragic accident and the MC only ever had positive thoughts about their parents but Treasure Planet wasn't that. Jim's parent leaving him, that hit home. When I watched this movie, I understood him better than I had any other character and I felt seen. This movie had me in tears by the end because I had and still am Jim. This movie got me back into watching movies a lot more than I had before and the writing is something i strive to have as I try my best to enter the writing scene. This movie means so much to me and I rewatch it at least twice a year. I'm so sad it flopped, I'm so disheartened that I never got this movie as a child because maybe it would've helped small little baby me to feel less like a burden and something to be left behind.
Thanks for sharing your story. Comments like this are why I love to make videos in the first place
I adore this film. That talk between Silver and Jim warms my heart so much. It’s so deep and genuine and even thinking about it gets me all misty-eyed.
I watched this in theatres when it came out, and I have loved this movie with the passion of a thousand dying suns ever since. I even cosplayed as the OG CatLady Captain Amelia herself at some point. This *is* a masterpiece of a movie, so feel free to scooch over on your hill-to-die-on, cuz I'm right there with you!
There is plenty of room on the hill
Move over, correct opinion-havers. I need a seat too! This movie is much of the reason I'm so excited that 5e D&D finally revived Spelljammer.
This movie always hits me because I really relate with Jim. My father and mother divorced when I was really young, and my replacement step father and I never bonded, I was scared of him and spent as little time around him as possible for abusive reasons of sorts. As such I latched onto father figures through the first half of my life. That Silver comforts Jim scene breaks me down every time. People that had their parents don't understand how much something small like that can really make a child feel like things are ok and they have some worth to the world
The premiere broke sorry about that friends. If it wasn't abundantly clear, Disney's biggest failure was how they handled Treasure Planet and set the film up to fail even though it's a modern classic. Also here is the Link to the Director's Cut and my Patreon www.patreon.com/flyingwalrus
I'm so glad for this video. Another adaptation I think you'd enjoy is Black Sails. As a prequel to Treasure Island, it does more than just flesh out Silver and Flint as characters, but reinterprets the book in a multitude of fantastic ways. It's also criminally underrated.
This was and still is my favorite Disney movie. Great video
I saw the film an eternity ago and it's always stuck with me a bit. I always thought it was the aesthetic, but I've forgotten about the emotional core until now. And Silver's emotional speech... that hits hard. Even now. Thank you for your contribution to the film's return, and I'll definitely need to watch it again.
(Came here from seeing the director's cut!)
I watched this movie as a kid and listened to the "audiobook" version a million times. As i grew older it faded to the back of my mind but never fell into obscurity and i wholeheartedly agree that Treasure Planet is fantastic and deserved way better. What a stunning and heartfelt interpretation of the source material (which i've also listened to a lot). I realy hope the creators know how beloved this movie is.
this whole video had me in tears because of how strongly treasure planet has resonated with me my whole life. it's always been my favorite disney movie and i always connected so deeply with jim and especially his relationship with silver. growing up with my own emotionally unavailable father, i clung to this depiction of father and son like it would save my life.
Great film analysis! I’m kind of curious of what your take is on Atlantis. Most people I know who love treasure planet also have a high regard for Atlantis; mostly because it suffered the same fate at the box office, despite it being a great adventure film.
I love Atlantis as a turn the brain off good wholesome action adventure with hot protagonists, great villains, and great action. Is it a pinnacle achievement of writing? No. But neither was Indiana Jones. But they both are great films for what they are. Great feel good action adventure films.
I personally despise Atlantis but I also love it. I love the story and it’s a great film I have no complaints with except that it’s like a complete rip off of the movie stargate I understand it’s common for Disney to do other people’s stories but for as much as Atlantis completely did a watered down version of stargate it annoys me that no one ever really talks about it
(Born 2007) I had very few Disney movies growing up on dvd, never had cable. One of the ones I had was treasure planet, and my god was it my favorite. Today I consider John Silver from this film my favorite fictional character of all time, and to see that this movie is getting some recognition after all this time is truly amazing. Thank you for this video.
I seriously think at this point, Disney (the company) has PTSD from the company’s history of close brushes with bankruptcy. Walt’s first company failed epically, Sleeping Beauty was an expensive Art Project that nearly bankrupted them, they struggled in the 70s after Walt died, and did an epic nosedive with The Black Cauldron because at the time audiences weren’t interested in dark fantasy and would rather frolic with pastel bears, only to pull the plane up at the last minute with The Little Mermaid.
Nowadays, Disney doesn’t take chances anymore. No more expensive art projects.
Just remake after remake after remake.
And then the remakes that have potential, like Atlantis and Treasure Planet, they don’t want to do.
@@orangegalen The ONLY Disney movies that deserve live action remakes are the ones that don't get them.
We live in the bad timeline
Sometimes I blame, some audiences and few those that bankrupted the studios just for something they don't like when they put so much work in the movie but it was a big flip.
You forgot when Disney went bankrupt in the middle of finishing Disney World and filming 20,000 Leagues under the Sea with a broken giant calmar. It took Walt charming a bunch of bankers and taking them on a turn of the studios and got them to imagine the scene when the broken calmar puppet would be fixed to get the money to finish the movie and Disney World. If 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea had flopped or even only been a middling success, Disney the company would had sunk with the Nautilus.
@@orangegalen for atlantis if you want a live action movie, go watch the Stargate Movie. I’ve seen it before but when I rewatched on tv as I older. I laughed at how much of the story beats were similar!
I never actually saw this movie as a kid, but the trailer for this movie is like a formative memory for me. That trailer stuck with me so much, definitely had to do with how many times I saw it since it was part of one of my VHS' but still. That shot when you see the crescent moon turn into a space station stuck with me for the rest of my life.
And then I finally saw it as an adult. It destroyed me emotionally in the best way possible. I was sobbing over this movie not only just because it hit home for me. But just the love and passion that went into every frame makes me cry even harder.
This video essay is so good! God it’s so nice to hear someone be this passionate about this movie. I haven’t seen this movie since my old vhs player broke in like, 2014, but this movie meant so much to me as a kid and as a teenager. I have no idea how it got on my radar since I don’t think I regularly watched movies at the theater at that age, but maybe one of the bad trailers caught my attention and my parents were like, “well our kid does like adventure stories, so…”
Early 2000s disney hit different man. They came out with so many bangers back to back and this film easily takes the came for one of my favourite of its time. Loved the space pirate theme, mixed in with that el dorado vibe it just fit so damn well. Great early childhood memories
I can hear the emotions in your voice as you get really into it, as someone who grew up with this move lemme just say I appreciate you taking the time to talk about this HEAVILY under appreciated masterpiece ❤️
What can I say? I get worked up about things I like. And tend to shout my opinions at random strangers
I swear, Disney makes the best father son relationships. A Goofy movie has excellent ways of connecting Goofy and max. Lion king has the heartfelt moments between Mufasa and Simba.
and this movie takes two characters who aren’t even related and makes them feel like they are just meant to know each other.
Lemme tell ya. I rewatched this movie recently, and at the very end when Silver asks Jim what he sees off his bow, and Jim replies with simply "A future", I DID NOT CRY. I DID NOT. FUCKING. CRY. I DID NOT. I AM INCAPABLE OF CRYING. THAT SCENE DID NOT SLAM ME LIKE AN EMOTIONAL FREIGHT TRAIN. I MOST CERTAINLY DID NOT CRY.
Goodness, I will take every excuse to rewatch this film. It resonates with my soul.
This is my all time favorite disney movie. And I grew up in the 90s with movies like lion king, toy story, and aladdin being my literal childhood. This movie just struck a chord with me and soared above all other disney movies, before and after it was made. My love for this incredible film runs very deep
I just want to add how I feel the first scene also does a really good job at hinting at the lack of Jim's father being around, that it's subtle enough to not raise any suspicions on the first few watchings (heck I just noticed it now and I've lost track of how many times I've seen this movie in my life)
This is by far my favorite Disney movies and just movies of all time, it's always just spoke to me in a way no other film has. It's been so influential to me and seeing other people who appreciate it is so validating.
yes this movie, my god- everything about it just hit me so hard- i got to see it in theaters, as a young teen, for my birthday! it just couldn't have been more perfect- the character design, the score, pirates! baby Jim looking exactly like my baby cousin at the time... and the "makings of greatness in ye" scene, every time i see it, breaks my goddamn heart and rebuilds it- Treasure Planet John Silver is the greatest. my goofy ass was even in a Treasure Planet RP forum 'cause i loved the world they built so much. TREASURE PLANET
I didn’t watch this when it came out in theaters; the trailers scared me b/c I was quite the scared, little wuss at 5. I did watch when I was in a place similar to Jim. It was around the time I lost my step father and then moved to a whole different state. Despite doing my best and avoiding trouble, I always felt one mistake away from ruining everything and becoming a burden for everyone around me. Treasure Planet is one of my favorite movies for how much it hit’s me right in the heart.
I’m sorry for your loss. Btw, I didn’t see it in theaters either.
@@westerfrost3701 Thanks! It’s still awesome at home
@@joshuaharris3039 You’re welcome. I agree. It definitely is.
Im so thankful that I was able to experience this film around the time of its release. My grandmother had it on VHS and it was one of my favorites to watch every time I went to visit her. Fantastic movie. Stunning visuals and world building. Exceptionally written characters. Even as a young child this movie got me emotional after every viewing. I hold this one in a special place. Thank you for reminding me of how much I love this film.
I love how genuinely excited and clearly passionate you are about this movie. It was always a guilty pleasure of mine growing up because EVERYONE else said what garbage it was and a shit story/movie and I'm like, "Are we even watching the same movie?!" I think since we live the era of adaptations, we are more accepting of the changes and upgrades made to the story than folks were when this movie first came out. Either that and/or we are all in desperate need of a little whimsy and this movie has it to spare. As you said, I love passion projects and this one shines with so much heart. It really is a solid film.
Also: only Disney film to have our hero and our villain be open and emotional in multiple scenes, like holy crap! Bringing the vulnerability of just being human to the big screen!
You know what would be cool? More animated sci-fi twists on classic stories! I love classics and sci-fi, and this movie is the perfect blend! I just wish more like this were out there (although I'm sure there is, and I'd love to hear about them).
I wasn't really interested in this movie as a kid even when it was put on the television, probably because we got conditioned to like flashy, colorful and less mature things, and as a kid you can't really connect to a teenage protagonist as Jim. But when I got older and rewatched it again, I really felt stupid when you know to appreciate the nuances, the writing, the character development, setting and the stunning visuals.
This movie definitely deserves to be a cult classic like it has become, and did deserve so so much more.
Same! I really wish I hadn’t taken for granted the chances I had to watch it when I was little. Now that I’m older and have seen the whole thing, it’s become an absolute favorite of mine 🥺
when I was a kid I probably didn’t like it for any particularly deep reason. it’s set IN SPACE!
as a fatherless boy that spend the childhood whatching this movie and asking to myself "what have i done to make my dad so mad at me", this is the most important piece of art i ever consumed, it really helped me and still does, last year i remembered the jim's theme (im still here), i was at school and damn, it got me hard, then i watched a couple of times and i dont even know a word that describes how much this thing helped me. Great video, 1+ subscriber.
I was one of the few who saw this in the theatre. Even though it was marketed badly, I could see the animation was gorgeous, and I loved the idea of “Treasure Island in Space.” As a young father I raised my kids on this movie and never regretted that decision. And I think the final action climax, with Jim improvising his own skate rocket and barely making it through the gate, is one of the best ever.
My ONLY. Count it SINGULAR problem I have with the video is how underrated the music sound track is. I am sorry but I don't listen to little mermaid soundtrack on a monthly basis for a reason. But Jim's Song I'm Still here TO THIS DAY is played and favorited in every music service I have. And I will be damned if anyone knocks that song! it Spoke to me SO hard as a young teen. I LOVED this movie. and cry every time I watch it.
12:05 considering “Silver comforts Jim” is the name of the song from the soundtrack, it’s a perfect name for the scene 😄 I remember seeing commercials for this on tv but wasn’t super interested (due to the marketing and I clearly remember already being annoyed by B.E.N.). Years later in high school, something got me to watch it and I fell in love. More years beyond that and I still watch it to this day, listen to the soundtrack and even bought an art print. It’s such a masterpiece of a movie and it’s such a shame it didn’t do as well and many people haven’t watched it, but I’m just glad it exists ✨
As a child of divorce in his early teen years living with a single mother and a little brother i fell in love with this film. i can remember my first time watching it, i could relate to Jim in many ways, feeling insecure and feeling like i'm good for nothing, seeing my mom trying her best to raise me as best as she can, trying to live up to the expectations and growing up without a real father figure... this movie meant a lot to me, it was more than just a cartoon... it was and is literally the only movie that has managed to make me emotional watching it, i remember watching it every week for a period of time and trying my hardest to man up and not to get teary eyed during a few emotional scenes or during those flashback montages with that amazing soundtrack, i could almost see myself in Jim.
So when i got older and realized that this film was considered a failure i was truely shocked, couldn't believe how much Disney hated it.
Treasure Planet will forever have a special place in my heart, i don't care what anybody says, i also consider it a masterpiece and the BEST Disney movie of all time, everything about it is perfect, the plot, the visuals, the characters, the music... god bless the creators of it for making this film.
'Silver Comforts Jim' triggers all my dad issues at once with jet fuel intensity. Ugly sobbing, no exceptions.
My mom took me and siblings to see this when we were little, specifically because she loved treasure island, and after the film so did we. the choice doesn't sound like much without context, but we went to the movies about 2-3 times a year and she's a huge Harry Potter fan as well, and she still chose to take us to see treasure planet.
Thats pretty cool, she like gave up a piece of her,almost, to see what ypu guys probably wanted to see. Also its cool to know your mom was a fan of treasure island. I want to be a parent like that! Obviously i know nothing about you or your mother but your little story is sweet.
This and Atlantis are among Disney's underrated gems. I absolutely loved this film and rewatching it now, you really do understand the themes better.
I love this movie! I have such a strong memory of going to see this movie with my dad, loving it, having the fattest crush on Jim, and them walking out of the theater to the most beautiful, softly falling snow I've ever seen. It's a memory that has stuck with me for a very long time. I don't remember seeing HP2 or The Santa Clause 2 despite being a fan of both those film series, but I very distinctly remember a story about space pirates, a daddy daughter movie night, and beautiful snow.
12:06 I don't see that scene as "Silver comforts Jim," there is to much emotion, to much... pride in his speech for it to be comfort. To me it is "Silver inspires Jim."
I mean, in this person's defense, the soundtrack for the scene is literally called Silver Comforts Jim.
I can't say I loved Treasure Planet as a kid, but remember enjoying it at the very least. I also agree that they knew EXACTLY what they were doing with Captain Cat-Lady. Watching the movie now at near 30 years old just makes me think, "so that's how that became one of my types."
As for Ben . . . pretty much. He's not the worst in "annoying comedic sidekick" category in this era of animated movies, but yeah. If perhaps the loud and obnoxious humor bit was balanced with something it would work better. I would be the complete opposite of surprised to learn Ben was written this way because its a kids movie and the studio demanded it.
You mentioned your fear to being children into the world -
Once, when I was in high school, my dad related to me that he grew up with a similar fear. My dad was born in 1962, right before the Cuban missile crisis. He grew up in fear of the Soviet Union triggering a nuclear war at any moment. But as he grew older, times changed somewhat.
He expressed the joy he had, seeing the birth of each of us, in a way I rarely see my dad get emotional. My two older sisters have had children more recently, in the midst of this pandemic.
It has changed them. Raising a child is not easy, but in the midst of all going on in the world, their children are perfectly fine, and it brings them a lot of happiness. It brings relief from the constant negativity.
I apologize if this soapbox preaching has made anyone reading this uncomfortable. It is a very big decision to have children - but if you decide to, it should not be an afterthought - it should be one of the major purposes of your life.
I think that the joy found in raising children cannot be found anywhere else. I think further, that the next generation of people needs children who believe the world can be a better place.
If we believe the world will stay depressing, fearful, and bleak, then it will. If we decide we are going to actively fight to make it better, and teach that to our children, they will believe the world can be a great place.
The greatest crisis our society faces is one of giving up. We need people who do not want to give up.
I'll die on that hill with you, it's my childhood's best film
The kid me LOVED this cartoon,along with Sinbad(listen,in my defence Eris was...)
No need to explain. We all know
Yeah Sinbad ranks up there high with me as well. I think it helped that Spike is a mastiff and he reminded me of my bullmastiffs. Man I miss the days of 2d animated films.
I love Sinbad, too! I was 8 years old when it came out. After rewatching it a few months ago, it might be one of my favorites Dreamworks movies now.
just watched it for the first time, absolutely beautiful film from start to finish, it really was almost perfect aside from the annoying robot. movie makers really did just think every kids movie needs a comic relief to keep kids attention.
and the animation was just... next level. that seamless blend between 2D and 3D (aside from BEN I SWEAR ON MY LIFE BEN-) is just breathtaking and what i wish movies would play with more than they do. obviously its expensive and a lot of effort, but the results speak for themselves, maybe not money wise (it would speak money wise if it wasnt sabotaged.) but visually it makes for something worth watching all by itself.
truly, the art for a movie alone speaks for the heart in it to me. when i see stunning animation, i see a team that cares, which means that the whole thing will be just as good.
I've just seen Treasure Planet for the first time as well and you're the first one I see adressing that annoying robot lmao. I gotta say that this isn't a flawless movie like everyone say, but for me it's just because of all those long sequences of the mushroom forest (or whatever that was lol). However - those scenes aside - this movie is indeed really gorgeous, it's just a real shame that a good chunk of this watch is taken by meaningless moments of that damn Ben. I just wish that the film had taken that useless time to (perhaps) focus even more on Jim and Silver's relationship, because I've never seen something quite like it and I found it genuinely so interesting
This movie is indeed a masterpiece, and imo THE best Disney movie ever made. And it drives me insane to no end that the sequel was cancelled.
Just watched it. You are spot on. The relationship between Jim and Silver is everything here 🖤
Great video! You did well summing up what makes this movie so great. Jim and Silver are some of my favorite characters ever, and their dynamic is simply perfection. I also always loved how morally gray Silver is as an antagonist, which is something one doesn't see every day in a western animated film. But yeah, really happy to see another fine video giving this movie some much earned love~
I’d love to see the unfinished script for Treasure Planet 2 adapted into a novel!
We kinda got a decent sequel with the Battle at Procyon game
Me too!
I can't describe how emotional I get every time I watch this movie! Especially the scene with Jim just resting his head on Silver's belly is just *chefs kiss* You can really feel all of his emotion and I now want to cry...
This film was part of my childhood. I remember watching it. I didn't see it in theaters, but I did still see it in the mid to late 2000s. I remember adoring the film. Even Ben (early signs of an engineer perhaps?). I wanted to explore that world, figure out how its tech worked ... I still do. How are they able to breathe in space? How is any of this possible?
22:10 ok so I LOVE this small visual detail here, notice how they drew his neck, the muscle is strained showing how he is pulling his head away hard in order to not face silver, and his problems. It it also shows the physical energy of the shot, emphasizing the heavy hand of silver pulling on Jim, which also shows that Jim does care for him and realizes that he needs his help, weather he sees it or not. it's insane how just 3 lines can convey all of that.
I cry and stan for this movie just as much as the uploader of this video. True spirit animal.
I mean Outlaw Star did scifi treasure island before this... and had a Cat Girl (and has been a thing since... like the 70s). Considering how much Atlantis borrowed from anime as well... well *cough*. >.>
At least Treasure Planet was much more original in execution.
I totally agree with you on everything. I fell in love with this over 20 years ago and plan to get a Treasure Planet tattoo. As an angsty teen, I related heavily to Jim's story arc. Now that I'm older, I tell/obsess more over the story arc between the captain and the doc. I've been writing fan fiction since I first saw the film on how their relationship develops between the hug and the reopening of the inn when you find out they had children. They are such a cute couple, and it often reminds me of my husband and me. 9000% masterpiece. I figure if they refuse to do anything with it story-wise, I will.
This movie has been part of my life for so long. I love it so much. I recently watched it and it's so amazing. Jim connects the dots and he knows. He knows that Silver is the pirate who burned his house down, he knows he's the bad guy. But they still end up bonding. It's so. So. Good.
I know ive seen this film but barely remember it. at the 13min mark it all came shooting back because I suddenly remembered how painful the betrayal was. Fuck this is a good movie to be doing that after almost 10 years
This is one of my favorites... I wish more people appreciated it.
Agreed
What hurts the most is the fact that they had plans, designs and story pannels for a sequel. We may never have it.
Plus a script that's now locked behind a vault and they casted Willem Dafoe for the sequel.
This movie, like brother bear, was watched over and over in my house growing up. It was the first thing I watched when I got disney plus and the opening is one I will react to every time. I listen to Annapantsu's cover of the one song frequently, though I adore the original TH-cam just doesn't throw that one at me as often. This movie is my childhood and shaped me in so many ways and I will not stand for people disliking it. It is absolutely in my top movies of all time.
I also watched Brother Bear to death when I was younger! :D
Brother Bear is another underrated movie.
Thanks for the explanation of what Deep Canvas was. I knew that it was a process that mixed 2D and 3D animation, but I didn't know how laborious and expensive it truly was. Amazing as the results are, it's sadly easy to see why so few films used it.
Both Treasure Planet and Atlantis: The Lost Empire were my favorite Disney movies growing up. I still love both films, but while I noticed more of Atlantis's flaws as I got older, I came to love Treasure Planet even more. I adore the visual style and art direction of this movie, the story is one of Disney's best, and they nailed the relationship between Jim and Silver. It's a movie I come away with another thing to love after watching.
The scene where Silver gives his speech to Jim is one of my favorite moments from the movie. My favorite being when Jim saves the crew from Treasure Planet blowing up.
17:50 is exactly how I would expect a Disney adult to defend Disney and say it’s different now.
I would go see this movie multiple times if it would ever be put back in the theater. Sadly I was simply too young to ever go see any of these great 2D movies by myself and I don’t think I was even aware of their existence either because I was too young. I wish my parents had just decided on their own to just take me to see some of these movies but I don’t remember them ever doing that and once I was old enough it was already too late because the movie industry had already decided to stop making 2D movies. That’s why I pray that sometime in the near future they will bring back this style of movie making but this time it’ll be here to stay forever.
This is one of the few that made me want to see more of the universe that was created. The art style, the animation, the writing, the characters, I loved every facet of this film as a kid and still to this day.
This is one of my favorite Disney movies, it's such a shame that its so underrated :")))
It's just so wonderful
I'm glad to see so many people here appreciate and love this film! As a kid, I saw the previews and knew I had to see this one. I convinced my parents to take me to Treasure Planet in an IMAX theater on christmas eve and I was totally blown away.
Definitely the most underappreciated Disney flick!
Man........ this certainly takes me back. When this movie came out, my dad had this thing over the summer break where he would take one of my siblings and I out to just hang out. When it was my turn, Treasure Planet just opened in the theaters so my dad thought "why not"
It really sucks to learn that it flopped cuz *I freaking LOVED this movie*. Everything was just spectacular, amazing, beautiful, awesome and the pinnacle of animation!
I never knew what deep canvas was or how difficult and expensive it is but I truly wish Disney went back to it. The movies they're making now feel cheap, dull, predictable and boring. I would sacrifice everything Disney has put out for the past 6 years in order for this movie to get a sequel. Yes I am willing to make that sacrifice lol
Also did you know there were plans for a sequel? A different youtuber I saw talked about it. There was a synopsis and while it did sound like fun, Disney had already pulled the plug on it so it got scrapped. The story was that Jim had entered the naval academy and while he's not hoity toity like his classmates, his quick thinking and his experience from the first movie gave him an edge. He even had a rival/ love interest introduced. Then the navy introduces their greatest ship in the history of the academy....... which gets stolen by pirates. Only Jim and his love interest sneak aboard and eventually they run into Silver and ask him for help. Jim is pro silver while his rival is all "but he's a pirate" and I kinda forgot how it's supposed to end.
Regardless i totally agree that this movie is a *masterpiece*
Spacer doesn't necessarily mean pirate, it's just the in-universe equivalent of "sailor"
This movie is the only one in existence I have gone researching for literally every single bit of extra lore and behind-the-scenes details I can get my hands on, that's how important it is to me.
You and me both. I feel like bc it’s just so underrated and never mentioned that you have to go out of your way to find something about it or other people talking about it
@@sarahlamper5701 right? we’re living off bread crumbs of treasure planet content 😭
@@smololoml but then again... every bit of information feels like a treasure, right?
@@_loser_on_line_ absolutely! 😌
FINALLY! Someone who can put everything I feel about this movie in words! Thank you!
I've always loved this film - even when I saw it as a kid. I've always been frustrated that it didn't get the marketing push it deserved.
Also, I never noticed the change in Jim's costume - great catch!
Granted I saw this movie much later in life, but it still had a massive impact on me when I saw it
I don't care what anybody says. The 1988 Soviet treasure Island cartoon was the best there is XD