TF2: Why I like fighting Pyros as a Spy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2025
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And yes, Spy is my main...
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You can directly measure your skill as Spy by how many Pyros the enemy team has.
People playing Class wars and its Pyro vs Spy:
@@dadawgdoin7467 They rolled Pyro because I'm just too good at Spy.
but what if....the entire game is filled with pyros?
what if everyone disliked you and kicked you for being spai?
THE POSSİBİLİTİES ARE ENDLESS MY FRİEND!.. ENDLESS!
Then i did pretty good at higher tower last week, there were 4 pyros at one point. Or maybe one was me disguised...
oh no WONDER why the enemy tram didnt have any pyros even though jungle inferno just came out
As someone who likes playing as pyro i like when i get outplayed by a spy, cuz then tha fun mind games start and by the end of the match we usually end up respecting each other.
You are a good man, thank you
as a heavy main honestly i understand how you feel i very much enjoy fighting spies since i have to think and mind games are fun
ur a sir
SPEAK LİKE ONE YOU FUCKİNG İMPOSTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unless they taunt, then it's a death penalty
And then both teams clap
Pyros fighting this guy: "let me just wait one second while he completely out flanks me and gets a duel winning trick stab on me"
Pyro fighting me as spy:
>air blast
>air blast
>air blast
>bottom text
BRUH FR 💀
@Fidel Catto REAL
@Fidel Catto and pyro too "flare GUN" rings you any bells?
@@Elsupremo229 ... shotgun?
@@ThatNoobKing You're goddamn right
As a pyro main, I take offense to you calling us “things.” We prefer “monstrosities” or “crimes against nature.”
I mean he’s right
I'm personally a fan of "entities"
Amazing video, really interesting take! I totally agree, fights with pyros are really thrilling. Nothing beats the feeling of outwitting a pyro and coming out on top
Looking forward to your next video!
They're your bane, but the greater the risk, the more satisfying it is to overcome
@@Jontohil2 Exactly! I especially enjoy taking out pyros with the ambassador; they never see it coming! It's a very satisfying feeling to overcome a big obstacle.
Do you plan on making videos about fighting engineers and other spies? I think it would be a super interesting watch
Defo plan on doing one about engineers, and the spy one is a possibility because yeah, those are an interesting thought
i think the spy pyro dynamic is part of what makes spy so satisfying.
I legit want to know what is satisfying about having a total counter that will mostly kill you over and over
I will honestly look forward to your answer, because I just cant handle playing spy anymore and I want to understand how other people do it
As your friend. I singlehandedly love how well edited your chaotic sense of humor is in this video
i have heart attacks when hiding from pyros ( why people still replying too this bruh i posted this like almost a year ago)
Same
"Heeere's Pyro!"
*French screaming*
I will randomly puff fire in random directions. You wouldn’t believe how often that alone finds a spy.
@@derkatwork33 Lmao
I would believe it, because I've been in the same place.
I love just shooting random fire puffs across busy lanes or in allied engi nests because it catches spies out more often than most people would think.
And i have a dopamine hit when I fen da spy
ngl pyro has a pretty diverse playstyle that people just forget exist stuff like the flare gun and extinguisher to output massive burst damage or equipping the detonator and back burner to detonator jump and reach places you can't get to normally get to and flank the enemy. hell, you can even just use enemy rockets and pipes to fly across the map if you're feeling a little spicy. People think pyro is an easy class because all anyone does is W+M1 and while that is true, the real way to play pyro is to send your enemy up into the air hit them with a flare wait for them to fall down and finish them off with an extinguisher then proceed to airblast a rocket straight at your feet at off into the sunset.
And people forget that soldier is pretty much like pyro, but he can do damage at longer ranges and just aim at his general direction
@@SirPotato43 I’d say soldier is much more of a generalist/combat class as he gets countered way less easily, unlike pyro who falls under specialist and sometimes support depending on your play style.
But yeah I fully agree with this that pyro has a really diverse play style, I’ve even considered that alone as it’s own video topic.
@@Jontohil2 the guy called Soldier is a generalist combat class, who would've thought!
*Laughs in powerjack and Backburner*
i agree with all this, been practicing a lot with both of these classes, but at the same time i can't help but feel annoyed when half the opposing team suddenly switches to pyro as soon as somebody gets backstabbed ONCE by me or an ally
In some ways, that's a good thing. If you can bait out an overreaction, you may not be having a lot of fun.
But come on, if they have three pyros looking for you, they're actively harming their team just to ruin your fun.
I did this once, I basically won the game for my team because I was just camping their teleporter all game and their one pyro did shut me out of doing that towards the end of the match, but by then, it was too late and he wasn't pushing the objective.
So it just about broke even.
And by "shut me out" -- only killed me once, and that one time because I made a mistake.
Go heavy then, due to long distance weapons and huge health pyros have hard time killing heavies.
As pyro so many times I tried to burn heavies and use axetinguisher but they were left with like 20 or 50 HP. So even in close combat pyro is great at Heavies are strong
@@realdragon you have to burn, then flare, then axe.
@@vyor8837 Combo pyro isn't my style
@@realdragon ... So you're using the axstinguisher because...
Might I ask those who see this, how terrible was the editing at 3:57 ? I wanted to make it as awful and obnoxious as possible...
like a wise spy once said "Its, perfect"
Disgustingly 2012, therefore I would say you did a good job!
stabbd
Cyber grind
I feel That Pyro and Spy are a balance in tf2, both are very effective at close range and yeah, is hard finding a Spy
I literally play pyro by alternating between pybro and putting "The only thing they fear is you" from Doom Eternal on with a button press on my headset. I do the same with scout, cuz even if he doesn't have the same intimidation factor, the fast moving menace with the hard hitting shotgun is a vibe I just love.
As a man who mains both Spy and Pyro, I agree with most things in this video.
Pyro has one fatal weakness - bullets. He can't reflect those, and they can hit him outside of his range. So yah, if (as a spy) I can either stealthly take him out or finish him off quickly enough, without risk of geopardising the whole mission of removing/distracting the Priority Targets - I go for the Spicy Boi with GUSTO.
Unless it is a PyBro Main with full reflexes.
My most played class is spy, my second most played class is pyro. As a pyro I learned how to counter even good spies that can trickstab. If spy is walking directly at you and you're pyro that's bad, if you're not gonna do anything you gonna get tricktabbed.
As a pyro remember that flamethrower isn't melee weapon it has range so you don't need to be in stabbing distance to burn spies. And second thing you need to remember as spies need to remember they have guns you need to remember you have airblast (unless you use phlog). Spy can't trickstab you if you keep spy out of trickstabbing range.
Thirdly randomly flaming space around helps a lot, you never know when you catch invisible spy trying to sneak around and lastly when on the cart just m1, your ammo gets refilled and this keeps spies away from coming closer
I understand your opinion, but I have to disagree. Pyro is an obstacle for spy, yes, but he is not something you can play around very efficiently. Take the fact when the ideal timing and opportunity for a Spy to attack can be completely nullified by a Pyro without much effort. For example, a Pyro can make an otherwise easy strike on a person on the payload a nightmare. A spy-aware pyro can borderline lock down entire parts of the map for spy with his flamethrower. "You have a gun though!" Think it like this: You have a revolver that is outdamaged by nearly every other class primary weapon and does pitiful damages at long ranges. Even its damage at close range is quite mediocre. Let's put this incomparison to the flamethrower: An incredibly easy to use, braindead weapon that can melt you down in seconds in your effective range. Not to mention, if you get stuck within their flamethrower's range, you are effectively trapped inside it because it is incredibly difficult to outrun, even if you have Spycicle and/or DR. "Just don't be in their effective range!" is a flawed argument in my opinion because the determining factor of whether or not you get in a Pyro's flamethrower range is incredibly lucky dependent, and not to mention they just close the gap inbetween you if the distance is not large enough, or map geometry not being in your favor as the Spy (Not enough space for running, hard to navigate, tight corridors, etc). This is not even mentioning his secondaries or airblast which make the matchup even more oppressive. As if trickstabbing wasn't hard enough, airblast completely even further ruins trickstabs, along with preventing the Spy from stabbing the Pyros teammates.
This is just my take though. Don't take it as "your video and take bad i am right". I have just noticed a lack of counterarguments and other points of discussion in the comment section, and felt the need to post this.
As a pyro main whenever a spy manages to get the better of me it always gets me excited like "oh wow a pub spy that doesn't rely on the Kunai to pub stomp?" it starts a fun rivalry I'm always happy to be a part of.
0:26 sir you got me good 😂
D:>Ha-
2:00 put a l'etranger on my hand and a razor back sniper on the opposite team and we have the fourth horseman of the apocalypse
that joke of spies disguising as scouts is 10/10
i'm not a spy main but even i know to disguise as either pyro, spy, engi, demo or sniper with the occasional medic
and get away from heavies soldiers and scouts
I'd avoid disguising as demo since it has the tendency to have missing legs
@@Jontohil2 right but it's a risk i will be willing to take because
A. i don't disguise as demo THAT much (pyro pro forever)
B. ease of sus time, less people are estranged to see a demo on the frontline
Random person: Name one quote from this guy
Me: Spy Has A Gun!
Very cool and high quality vid keep it up and I'm sure you'll make it to the top
I totally agree with you on this! I absolutely love games that require me to be stealthy & sneaky, so I love it when I'm sneaking about and see a pyro, then I HAVE to test out my skill of evading them and their flames while trying to remain undetected it
I like how he called pyro‘s „things“, its lore accurate.
0:47
Hey that's me
Spies running forwards for an unexpected trickstab is like the brake checking of the tf2 world.
2010 Meme sounds (CoD Hitsound, Denied) combined with 2020 Meme sounds (Taco Bell,) is a blend I never heard, but makes sense to exist.
0:13you have lost your spy main privileges
I love the bits of scat man playing when pyro spy checks
Found this channel just a bit ago and 1) great info explained well 2) god tier editing 3) idk he seems cool bc he likes a challenge and isn’t toxic or hyper negative 4) I’ve heard at least 3 separate SPY HAS A GUN bits in as many videos but part of me hopes it’s all the same take just used across the board and 5) I’ve heard a lot of ultrakill music and I’m happy to find a content creator in the ultrakill/tf2 ven diagram
Absolutely subscubled and excited to see more
Attention all Pyros: STOP FOLLOWING SPIES AROUND CORNERS AND UP STAIRS!
Once you have lit up the Spy SWITCH TO YOUR SECONDARY TO FINISH THEM OFF! Don't rely on the sustain of your primary weapon OR the afterburn effect.
pyro is a crutch because you know airblast and spy-be-gone and sapper sapper no good soo ya :ı
This is quality content! I dont see why this channel only has 1k
Probably the freaky algorithm lol
Bro when i saw 707 views i thought i was having a stroke your editing is super neat!
Pyro: W +m1
Spy: S + M1 (revolver)
I sincerely hope the TH-cam algorithm blesses you kind sir, you deserve a lot more subscribers for your immaculate content.
pyro is love, pyro is life.
This time I had 9 pyros on my team and someone on the enemy team picked spy
I enjoy fighting pyros on open areas, where hitscan revolver can show remarkable results, and potentially outdamage their shotgun
I love the constant "SPY HAS A GUN" you put in your videos
"Why I like fighting Pyros as a Sp-"
"You're a masochist"
pyro is the class that most commonly makes people shake up their loadouts to acclimate to the round, and I really like that about him. You really dont see that many loose cannon demos or shotgun soldiers but when a good pyro is in the game that becomes a lot more common and i think its nice to have a class that can force people out of meta-slaving for even a couple minutes
Nothing but begrudging respect and admiration for a spy that gets the backstab while I'm actively spy checking.
Jon is a masochist confirmed
i love that the video starts with calling pyro mains "these things"
I was expecting the whole video was only going to be him saying "SPY, *INHALE* HAS A GUN!"
The real biggest reason why he likes fighting pyros is to remind them that spy has a gun
Honestly I feel the same as a non shotty soldier against good pyros.
Funnily enough as pyro I LOVE when there's a spy I have to use my brain to not be outplayed. Unless it was that one time when I lobbied against Stabby. That was just a test of my patience.
That bad?
I find myself subkonsciously airblasting spies who have their knives out when attempting to fight me. It's also especially satisfying when they try to run and turn their backs on me, and get met with back burner crits. So, pay attention to what kind of flamethrower Pyro's are using, it could save your life.
Pyro might be fun to fight as spy, but you know who he isn't fun against? Demoknight. The shields need some knockback resistance or something to help them not be completely disabled by m2
For me, I can do the whole infiltration and avoiding, but I can’t land a backstab for, pardon my French, shit
I like the interactions between Spy and Pyro, because they are not nearly as linear as Spy-Engie matchups. It’s a back and forth, where both sides need to pay attention.
I remember how i stickyjumped to enemy sniper,then realized... He was an enemy spy and stabbed me so fast
When you faced a pyro as a spy, make sure to have your diamondback charged up.
if jonto had a tv show, his catchphrase would be "SPY HAS A GUN"
0:00
soldier: complaining
spy: no one asked lol
There was nothing more satisfying for me last week then somehow trickstabbing the pyro who was actively setting me on fire as he noticed me sapping the engineer nest.
I find it funny that the overlapping joke in all of the videos is that SPY HAS A GUN.
I'm someone who's not good at both pyro and spy, and I still think pyro isn't bad
Like you said he tests a spy's maneuver ability, and balance wise (in my opinion) pyro is also the only class able to somewhat counter a stealth-ing spy, like his flamethrower is the problem not any of his other kit against a spy no other class can do that so it seems that that lack of invise-spy-counter on all the other classes found itself being put conpelty on the pyros flamethrower
pyro is the only class able to counter a stealthy spy? i mean all the classes counter spy if they just.............. turn around
@@italianbuffoon9953 yea but not while the spy is invisible, what I mean to say is pyro is the only class able effectively check for cloaked spies
@@blastbot7339 if you're not even sure that a spy is around, sure, you're right, but if you mean a spy that cloaked to run away then a lot of classes have methods
scout has mad milk
soldier has explosives with lots of range
pyro... we already talked about this
demoman also has explosives
heavy has an automatic weapon that fires a lot, similar to pyro
engineer has the southern hospitality (and his teammate's support)
medic... probably doesn't have anything tbh
sniper has jarate which is fucking overpowered
and spy himself... doesn't have anything either
You got that LazyPurple Quality about you. Subbed!
Great video. Personally since I rely on my gun an absolute ton, I actually find Pyro one of the easiest classes to deal with, as long as I'm not going for a stab or sapping. The revolver outranges Pyro's flanes and shotguns so hard it's kind of funny. It's even funnier when you're going full gunspy and half the enemy team switches to pyro just to die even easier to you than their previous classes lmao
"Mmmmph mmph mmph mph mmmph"
(I like the smell of burnt spy in the morning)
-Pyro.
my favorite spy TH-camr plus these videos are so entertaining
Jontohil2: it’s really fun to go against pyros!
Me: what about me *who has a phlog name the “spy killer”*
name tags /=/ skill
@@mishagaming1075that was a joke lad
You have become one of my most favourite tf2 TH-camrs now
It's the circle of life. Just as pyros are a primary source of protein for heavies, spies make up the majority of pyro's diet.
I like playing Pyro cause every single other classes like to target Pyro’s (except most spies ofc)
My favorite thing to do as spy is when im loosing fights I cloak and fake like I'm going to a health pack, then watch them spycheck in that area for about 5 seconds
I agree with this wholeheartedly, it’s really funny when they don’t realize you’re already really far away
atleast spy has a revolver, soldier has a shotgun, what can a demo do? melee, airblast grenades, airblast stickys, airblast its imbossible if he can airblast
With demo all of his projectiles are still active even when airblasted and are also really heavy. So a demo vs an airblast happy pyro will fource the pyro two lose ground, unless the pyro is a god at reflecting pipes
avoiding pyros as spy is like playing alien isolation
"Stay out of their effective range." I'm scout. I can't see through their flames.
1:50 You need Wisdom/Knowledge to take out other Spies, you use your Power to remove Engineers, and it takes Courage to engage Pyros like you do.
"Oooh, is that Ghost Trick Music?... no, it's phoenix wright."
the 3 horsemen of spy tests:
spy, engineer, and pyro
My fav to do is airblast spy if try trickstab and flame spy and over again
I swear pyros are like a boss fight for spy mains
really good stuff
"The Flamethrower has a short range" haha nice one
i just wish theyd change the flame particles back
As a pyro main, it's already an instinct to click at least once on every teammate. And when I found a spy, my monkey brain is always prone to rush it down if I don't have any restraint.
I apreciate this video, as a pyro main it is very common to hear "pyro is a brain dead class" by a whole lot of people (especially from spies), So it is nice to hear that some people actually enjoy a pyro encounter and find a challenging but fun fight.
Nice, I see that ultrakill on your homepage. Now I have a question, what do you think of ultrakill’s funny pyro bots
>Throw coin above them
>Shoot coin
>Satisfying pause then loud bang
>Dopamine
@@Jontohil2 reasons to play ultrakill
1. Dopamine
2. Dopamine
3. Dopamine
your videos make me want to play spy, keep it up!
I main pyro and I love fighting spies. One trick stab on me and I then drastically alter how I engage.
I drastically change depending how good is spy player
"Get fricked spies" - me (a pyro main)
0:14 I mean, we all have our weird kinks. I personally don’t like spending my waking seconds making friends with gas mask wearing weirdos in asbestos gimp suits but what the hey you do you I guess.
0:02 based
One must imagine a server without snipers and without spies
Mario and Luigi dream team music is just 🤌 love it
Isn’t it a remix of BIS?
5:22 wow, cool
fun fact you can send demoknights flying by airblasting at their feet, they fly and cant hit you in that range
3:59 and onward has shown me that pyros completely forget that they have airblasts
Me knowing he likes to fight 2 of the 5 classes i play
"these things" is crazy
If there are friendly explosive classes or friendly pyros on my team, I like to lure the enemy pyro away as spy.
Hey Soldier, did you know you *Soldier has a (shot)gun*?
My brain and heart everytime i see pyro as spy : revolver goes brrrr
spychecking with spy himself is even better, your knife still raises for a backstab if an enemy spy is disguised, therefore allowing you to determine if a spy is a spy, with spy. And in the same sense with Pyro, you can manipulate them into associating you with a spycheck, making them be somewhat afraid of you.
And there comes me a pybro that would never leave their engis and always looks at my back b hop and thing