For those who are wondering who is welby CoffeeSpill, he is non other than christopher nolan grand son who came here by inverting himself and gave an idea about tenet to christopher nolan so he did this film, that's it.
you can literally make you're whole entire youtube career on tenet videos, its not just making it easier for everyone to understand, but the way you explain it with the 3d models etc, always fun to watch, and i look forward for the next one!
they're really fun to make. Thanks. I will do the same 3d type visualization with the Opera, but I wanna schnaz it up some. There is honestly not alot of solid info on it, vague circumstantial evidence. So I need to keep it clean.
@@gurbanguliberdimuhamedov4228 I never seen Predestination , I should give that a try. Also, Primer I have only seen once and ended up on the floor. I should give that a second chance, hee hee.
or maybe a random youtuber had thought more about the movie than the writers and filmakers have. that's a more plausible explanation than anything. a spent bullet found its way into the chair lol
@@WelbyCoffeeSpillI think youll enjoy watching Predestination. Concept is pretty simple from its name only however the way they unfolded the story and when we can connect everything at the very end and come full circle gives you the satisfaction, head scratching and mind blown feel all at once. Hehe. Do watch it buddy
@@judgeberry6071 LMAO NOT even close in the slightest. You have to be out of your mind to believe that rubbish in anyway or regrade. The movie ISN'T "overhyped" either because while the emotional aspect wasn't completely overt for most audiences viewers to be compelled, it most certainly was still there tho. The movie got polarizing reception due it's complex nature the film already has a strong cult following due to it's great nature in filmmaking. NOTHING about it is "pReTenIoUs" in anyway? Not a chance in hell it is. The movie is masterfully well written as people don't understand how well tightly packed the time inversion aspect of the movie its for it to work Thankfully this channel Welby Coffeespill and among others TH-cam videos explaining Tenet showcases to viewers by explaining in detail on how the time inversion works correctly and how ingenious it is from scene to scene because there are LAYERS of events and sequences happening at once and you won't be able to get it all in first viewing. NOTHING about that is "pReteNTIoUs" in anyway but it's EARNED it's complexity achievement by succeeding on making a story that has various aspects to it all at once coherently throughout and how it's core writing is tightly packed together for the movie's time travel to work and make sense over all. And most certainly, NOTHING about is is "gArBAGe" either in anyway. It's a well crafted, well shot, well acted, edited, and conceptualized film for it to be ANYWHERE close to "gArBagE", not even close. Not liking it is one's opinion as they can't like everything but saying it's anywhere near "gABRaGE" is just objectively wrong as it hits all the notes on how to be a structurally well made film with a high concept premise. You're crazy to actually believe all that rubbish.
@@Gadget-Walkmen I love the film I don't think anyone can take the time inversion concept and make it that mind blowing and clear. But I think why most critics don't like it is, because of the objective a common plot that says if this thing will get to the wrong hands it would destroy the world. Unlike Nolan's other films like communicate with your daughter through a fourth dimension or plant an idea inside of another brain. However restating it again I love the concept of the film I have not seen anything beautifully done and frankly make it possible in a film. It's just the plot is not unique. I do understand Nolan is trying to make a spy film though.
I like the idea of the radiation slowly disappearing and object eventually reverting to normal entropic progression with time. It could be the gold remains inverted longer because of how stable of an element it is.
From my understanding this just solves a plothole that makes the movie work. We learned that inverted and normal particles annihilate each other, but the clothes they wear are inverted and they touch the normal air. So they should immediately die making the movie not possible. This would fix the characters interacting with each other which would kill the need for the radiation explaining how things that characters interacted with even got there in the first place. Tenet would not work in the "real" world from my understanding since you could not reverse entropy for only certain "particles", they would immediately annihilate. I might have misunderstood it though, it wrecks my brain too :D
@@DaGhost141It's not that inverted and normal particles anihilate each other, it's that the SAME particles anihilate each other when they meet, one inverted one normal. So as long as a inverted character's clothes don't touch the normal set of clothes it's fine
@@guil7290 Correct but particles dont know which particles they are. Basically the "winds" are only there for the viewers to not be too weirded out. If we wanna stick to real physics a bullet forming in wood is *theoretically* possible since entropy CAN reverse it's just impossibly uncommon. For this reason you don't need the winds for example. I love Tenet but imo they didn't find a clear line where to stick to real physics and where to add a bit of magic.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill well technically a Kat did kill him. lol imagine if they made him one of those weird zoo billionaires and part of Kats murder plan was an inverted tiger.
Just when I think I understand the movie, a video like this shows layers and details I hadn't thought of yet... Very cool explanations! Tenet's a masterpiece.
Oh my god I finally understand the Sator's gold conundrum. It seemed so strange that he could just take that inverted gold from the capsule, sell it and become rich with it even though it should have continued to travel into the past and just disappear right away. But he wasn't digging it out, he was BURYING IT at Stalsk-12 right after he bought it in the future from the inverted gold's point of view. In fact both the act of buying and selling must happen 2 times and are inverted from different perspectives to maintain consistency. From the inverted gold's point of view, sator dug it out in the future, sold it in the past, then bought it again even further into the past and finally buried it at Stalsk-12 in his youth so it might lie there for eternity. From Sator's point of view he found the gold in his youth, sold it right away, established himself and then rebought the gold in the future to bury it for posterity in order to secure the unbroken world line. The original gold served to establish the timeline and bootstrap Sator but it wasn't suddenly "taken" from the capsule and its timeline wasn't broken, it was only temporarily repackaged before it was sent again on its way either way you look at it. Thanks, after watching so many videos I finally started to look at the Tenet world in the new way. It makes sense now.
So you're saying before he has a turnstile he has to re-bury the inverted gold at some point otherwise it won't be there in his past for him to dig up, but once he as one he can just take the inverted gold from capsules and invert it and spend it as he wants ? I don't really understand what the problem is with taking the inverted gold and spending it beyond that.
I get that if he takes the gold now and doesn't re-bury it it can't be buried in the future, but what if he doesn't re-bury it ? And what if he keeps it and puts it in a turnstile ?
@@adrienperie6119 What's happened happened. If future Sator didn't do things properly it never would have happened as it should. But things happened as it should because he did things properly. Inverted gold has to maintain its own inverted timeline. The timeline being it's inverted and sent from the far future, the future rich Sator "finds it", digs it up and "sells it", then after a while the past Sator "buys it" it back, "gets poor" and puts it in the ground. From Sator's point of view he's poor, he digs up gold, sells it, gets rich, in the future he buys it back to bury it in the ground on the orders of the future guys in order to establish unbroken timeline. This way both inverted gold's timeline is secured and Sator's past is bootstrapped. Since time works in a specific way in tenet (the entire time and all that has ever happened already happened) it makes sense because if it didn't it couldn't have happened. The first time inverted gold made contact with Sator was in fact in the future when he was burying it, correctly establishing the unbroken timeline for the inverted gold's journey. You're asking the question in the wrong way. Look at the things from the inverted gold's point of view. If something happened differently inverted gold's journey would not work as planned and Sator's past wouldn't have been established. There is no IF. Things happened the way they happened because there was no IF.
@@TheWoodenshark I understand that now, by burring the inverted gold Sator creates the conditions for it to be able to even be there in the first place. It means the gold has been there for basically forever when it is first dug up. What's even harder for me to get and what I don't fully get yet is what he does for the other times he gets gold, he inverts it using the turnstile ? But if so, there is no longer inverted gold to be buried ? So gold is inverted in the future and buried, travels backwards in it's capsule underground until sator uncovers it, puts it in a turnstile and now it is normal gold to be spent. From Sator's point of view he buries a capsule, sends coordinates to the future, he sees gold appearing in the turnstile and on the other side there is inverted gold he has to bury in that capsule. I think I got it ? But man, that is just an amazing mind twister, can't help but feel bad for all the people choosing to opt out of using their brains by saying it's bull and doesn't work, and at the same time I despise the lack of respect they display at such amazing intellectual work that went into this, it's basically unseen in the movie world. What I hate the most is the people saying "there is nothing to understand, it's a paradox" so that they can feel better and put their brains to rest. I, rejected those answers ;) (Andrew Ryan)
The timing of Sators' music motif when he clapped that thieving hood - I don't think I have laughed that much in months. "Tw@t". #'Weeeerrrrrp# hahahaha.
I love the theory that the radiation of an inverse object could wear off, and that's why the lab tech and Tenet wear protective gloves in that first scene with inverted objects. It might not to prevent THEM from getting irradiated, but to protect the radiations from interacting and eventually canceling! (Course, then that brings up the question of how the gloves themselves would avoid somehow transferring radiation, but that's a question for the future. Or maybe Future!Me in the past!)
Holy moly, this was the last thing I couldn't wrap my head around in this film. This series of animations has been extremely helpful! Thank you for your service!
That ending sequence showing how Sator knew his henchman stole from him gave chills; I've been wracking my brain for months trying to figure out this scene! It all makes sense now, thanks! Is this the final video of Tenet you'll produce? I hope not, more animations please. This movie is so deep-I have an unopened 4K disc that I plan on keeping as a collector's item. Even though we live in an era of digital everything, this movie affected me so much, I have to have it in my presence physically at all times. Truly a masterpiece, thank you, Mr. Nolan (and you too, Welby)!!!
That part is actually the part that threw me off. I don't understand why they have to constantly bury and rebury and sent it back in time to send forward in time, over and over again.
@@evm6177 Imagine being this childish enough to copy and post the same nonsensical garbage over and over again. The OP comment's not even trying to agree with you in the slightest, you're just foolishly copying the same nonsense over and over again and foolishly liking you're own comment like an actually insecure fool would. The movie doesn't "fails" on anything you idiot. And the movies EXPLAINS very well NOTHING about that is "pReteNTIoUs" in anyway but it's EARNED it's complexity achievement by succeeding on making a story that has various aspects to it all at once coherently throughout and how it's core writing is tightly packed together for the movie's time travel to work and make sense over all. The only thing that's a "no surprise" is your idiotic comments and responses. And your conceited "wine glass" rubbish just shows how foolishly conceited and narrow minded you really are. Good job at liking your own insanely bad comments as well you fool.
@@bigmiki2620 I’m not sure they do have to. When they get the algorithm, they don’t have to re-bury it. Of course, someone from the future creates it but still. I’ve seen no evidence that the future’s bad guys must provide the gold for it to be used later…to provide it to them.
A couple of fun thoughts about the gold; First, it's the perfect means for the future to pay Sator with because it does not oxidize(rust) and will remain perfectly normal(albeit inverted) gold pretty much forever. Whereas the *bullet* will eventually break down into lead oxides and disseminate into the environment... but from an outside viewpoint, lead oxides were drawn by the tree from the air and ground, somehow managing to form into a bullet inside the tree which is made into a chair, whereupon gunsmoke gathers around the bullet hole and re-forms into gunpowder as the bullet is un-fired. Second, Sator killing his minion because he tried to steal some gold makes perfect sense when you think of the gold as not just money, but as potential *BOMB.* If the moron had managed to accidentally bring the reverted gold in contact with its inverted counterpart, it would have annihilated - and if conservation of energy is still in effect in the TENET universe, 27 pounds of gold annihilating another 27 pounds would produce a blast of roughly 1161 megatons. And the Tsar Bomba - the largest bomb ever detonated with a yield of just 53 megatons - made a crater *two kilometers wide.* He didn't kill the schmuck for stealing from him(well not *just* for that), but because he risked an extinction-level event. Hell, I'm pretty sure I would have killed the little gimp for that myself.
ha yeah,..that would be catastrophic. That may also explain Sator's immediate Shocked Expression looking up just before that, when his other henchman is telling him what happened. Like,.." Are you f(*&^n serious?!"
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Other spy villains have to worry about their mooks skipping maintenance or marksmanship drills. Sator has to worry about his minions accidentally *blowing up a continent.*
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Oh, quick thought; are you going to do a piece on how air is inverted for time travelers to breathe? Or could it be as simple as; "Normal mammals breathe oxy-nitrogen mix and exhale carbon dioxide. Inverted ones in effect, must have carbon dioxide in their environment to convert to oxygen - though to a normal observer, they are exhaling carbon dioxide into a storage device and breathing atmospheric oxygen. We are inverted, the world is not."
@@kalaong nah. none of that is necessary. It's pretty simple to understand if you think about it. Inverted people can't breath regular air. They need inverted air to match the direction of their lungs. So they carry around those masks and little air tanks, like a Scuba diver. Inside the tanks is inverted air. That's where they get their oxygen, they breathe like normal. Therefore they must exhale inverted co2. Simple as that. From a forward observer, all they'd see is co2 moving backwards back into the mask exhaust port.
I have ideas for a future video, far future. That just visualizes a bunch of random side things that people wonder about. Like how do you see or hear. I can include a brief thing on breathing there.
You blew my mind with the gold reveal. To this day I always thought that was a massive plothole (how can he receive buried inverted gold from the past, as digging it up would prevent it from being buried). The concept that he first builds a turnstile and receives the gold from that is so genius. Well done.
I have no idea why digging it up would prevent it from being buried. That logic isn’t applied anywhere else in the movie. It was inverted, buried in the future, and discovered by Sator in the past. They could have mined it from whatever gold already exists in their time. No one asks how they could fire an inverted bullet, as if that would keep it from being manufactured or packaged at some other point in time.
@@westmcgee9320 no. Think about the timeline of the inverted gold. It's inverted in the future (so starts moving backwards through time) and is then buried. It would be streaming backwards through time whilst buried until Sator digs it up. But assuming Sator isn't inverted, the act of him digging it up means it's no longer buried underground throughout the future so it's a plothole. This video illustrated a way around that that makes sense and uses in-movie logic (the turnstiles). Very cool.
@@DannyDoesGuitar just sent back inverted capsule, with inverted gold within, from the future. And Sator would not be busy with re buring gold to maintain capsule for the future.
@@DannyDoesGuitar nope, this inverted gold just CAN do the path of normal gold and still be discovered by Sator. It's just question of perspective: for "blue" gold it is Sator who INVERTED. But more interesting question: how he managed to work with inverted gold? For exaple: bullet's in lab travel from table to hand - it is horrible to imagine all the Sators struggle, even if this question was answered in intructions from capsula.
it's the first Tenet explanation (and I've watched like 10 of them at least) that deals with the worldlines of inverted objects. And it made some sense. Thanks.
Imagine welby doing animation on science experiments, it would be next level ❣🙌 and I personally request welby on doing animations on science experiments in future, so that it would be more useful for science students ❤
not gonna lie. Even before Tenet, I'd be up at night watching all kinds of nerdy youtube videos on quantum physics for dummies. This one stands out as one that inspired me. th-cam.com/video/Q1YqgPAtzho/w-d-xo.html
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill I'm really inspired by your work,you're really great sir , could you please animate on science experiments more, so that it will be more helpful for science students visualisation
You are an absolute legend dude. Your videos help immensely. I am so happy that I understand the film more and more. But there is a lot more for me to discover. I probably have to watch your videos again and again. Keep it up!
Honestly ty so much for like tackling this concept it has taken me forever to understand tenet which I love because I love to try to decipher confusing movies, a.k.a Christopher Nolan’s mind
Hey Man, really appreciate your explanation and thought process. I have personally watched your videos multiple times to understand what is happening in the movie. Please keep up the good work.
3:59 and that precisely explains when TP first inverts and steps in that puddle, that water reacts before his foot makes contact with it. I remember people saying this is dumb because what if the water started reacting and TP decided to change his mind and not put his foot down. This breaks the world line. If TP decided to not touch his foot to the water than the water would not have reacted as if he stepped in it. It would simply not occur.
@GoharioFTW yep. Same with trying change your mind entering the turnstile. If your intent is to troll the universe, you'll just be standing there all day waiting for something that you intentionally weren't going to do in the first place.
The fact that the Presents causality on inverted objects changes the past for the inverted object is mind-blowing to me. So like you said, aslong as the action does not break the world line then any possibility that would cause an inverted object to go back to where it became first inverted will happen.
The more I think about these details, the more I'd like to see some of them visually depicted in full live action/animation (as helpful as these simple 'action figure' animations definitely are for visualising these weird concepts) - for example, it would be wild to see how the inverted 'bad guys' from the more distant future buried their inverted gold for its journey far into the past; the act of them 'burying' it would actually be pretty complicated, with the ground actually coming together around their 'digging' rather than breaking apart.. like watching video of a hole being dug, the gold-containing capsule being extracted, and then the hole being filled again, all in reverse with 'backwards physics'. The future dudes doing the burying would need to be inverted themselves, not just the inverse time capsule, because if they were moving forwards through time normally, their inverted gold would already be there when they first dug the hole to place it in, no matter where they dug it would just materialise there as soon as they went with the intention to place it there in their forward-moving minds... I need a lie down
I just assumed that damage from inverted objects doesn't exist eternally into the past, but it simply appears shortly before unhappening. In the Freeport battle, you see the Protagonist start bleeding from a fight that he's about to have with himself shortly before the battle actually happens. Then the damage reverses itself during the battle. It is similarly likely that there weren't always bullet holes in the glass. They appeared from the perspective of forward time shortly before the Protagonist unfired them. You even see the holes growing before the battle begins
I explore all of that in the previous two videos. #3 and #2. I do make a distinction between the "effects' on Normal non-inverted objects, like the glass, and the actual inverted object itself, which this video #4 explores.
Consider this... A forward moving particle enters the turnstile, inverts itself, comes out, comes in contact with it's forward moving self and they both get annhilated... It's funny, because for a normal person watching this would see two identical objects popping out of thin air and then disappearing again into the turnstile. So the annhilation point can be considered as both the origin and the ending of that particle. So how is this possible, because most of the objects in the movie(including TP😅) has a well defined origin(if not a end). I know it's the same *"can we change the past?"* question but this one, for some reason, seems more meaningful than the others.
The explanation Wheeler gives about annihilation seems odd due to Causality being broken. If the forward particle was destroyed then it is not around to enter the turnstile to begin with. So that event is impossible to occur. It IS possible if the only one annihilated is the inverted particle though. Wheeler was talking to an inverted Protagonist at the time so perhaps she meant Only He would be destroyed. But it is unclear in the film.
2:05 Took me a while to wrap my head around this step. I was wondering: “Okay but why did it manifest? It wasn’t streaming from the far future, who put the gold into the turnstile?” But then I realised from the inverted gold’s perspective, Sator carries it into the turnstile and it dis-inverts allowing it to stream into the future.
If you're interested in a short audio story that neatly resolves the Grandfather Paradox check out "Paleontology" on my channel. The logic I laid out in that story could have neatly resolved a lot of issues was inverted objects, too.
Very nice story. For one reason or another Nolan seemed to shy away from branching timelines and multiple universes. Instead, subscribing to a block universe model. You have Scholl point out that Ben didn't destroy our universe because we are here to observe it now. I think this is in line with the philosophy of Tenet. An anthropic one. I think the core of Tenet's inversion goes beyond branches. And admittedly poses many logical paradoxes that Neil sort of skirts by with his "pissing in the wind" analogy. Scholl finding Benny and ensuring he "returns the favor" to the timeline is very reminiscent of Neil accepting his role to invert to open the gate. I agree that branching lines would easily resolve grandfather issues though. And they do even nod to the idea that if there were, you'd never know. Cheers!
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Hey, I’m delighted that you listened to the story and enjoyed it! No, I don’t think the branch-and-prune logic I that posited in Paleontology applies in Tenet at all, I was just saying that Nolan could have constructed his story logic that way instead of going with his “entropy wind” fix. If he’d gone with that approach, then shooting an inverted bullet into the past would cause the timeline to branch many times, but only the paradox-free histories would stay on the “tree” and be part of reality. His “entropy wind” fix was very clever though, and works as a blanket explanation for any paradox that might arise. Btw, I’ve watched all your Tenet vids, and they’re great! Looks like you were as fascinated with the movie as I was. I just couldn’t get around to watching it until Spring 2022. It bums me out that the Nolanest Nolan film didn’t do great at the box office. Whooshed over most people’s heads, I guess, or they couldn’t get over the lack of character development. But for me, Tenet was just everything I love about Nolan films dialed up to 11. Cheers!
@@jerrysstories711 i was also relatively late to the party. Due to the covid craziness I never got to see tenet on release on the big screen. I waited until it released on GooglePlay and watched it on my phone, lol. But despite that I became enamored obviously! Are most of your stories time related? I may check out more. Seems like good listening while working from home. Cheers!
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill On a phone? Yikes! I thought I had it bad watching it on a laptop in my lap on a recliner! Paleontology is my only time story, but "Penance" is a prequel to it! That' also on the channel. And I'm working on "Paradoxes" to complete the trilogy.
Despite watching TENET 3 times in cinema, yet there are so many things... remained undigested in my mind. Yup, TENET is more complicated than MEMENTO, INCEPTION and INTERSTELLAR.
Theres a sci-fi story about a character who is time reversed but is unable to move and only perceives the area around themselves. They find themselves being worshiped as a deity because from the forward persepctive this skeleton began to form followed by connective tissue, muscle, skin, until it was a screaming suffering person. This is what is happening to inverted objects traveling backwards. From their perspective entropy is still increasing so they rust, decay, and fall apart into dust. This is equivalent to the radiation dissipation theory resulting in annihilation (it would likely appear similar to natural half-life radiation decay models so the object wouldn't wholly spontaneously annihilate but instead dissolve by radiation decay). So the case for the bullet in the wall and chair from the forward perspective those bullets would "naturally" form within the wall and chair - essentially like Boltzmann brain (or Booltzmann bullet in this case).
Before watching this, I have no Idea or not understand what exactly Sator want from that gold. After watching this video, i was mesmerized by how well you understand the movie and realize that Sator is really f*ck*ng smart ahead them (PT, Neil, and Tenet)
Alright, this is a banger, actually makes accepting the movie bearable. I shudder to think that Nolan thought this all through the same way, but I wouldn't be surprised.
I don't think Nolan thought this through all by himself. He probably came up with the idea of inverting objects in time then hired smart scientists and screenwriters to help him sort out the details such that everything would work.
In my interpretation - we see what happens during the events of the story, but we know that both past and future events effect the events that we see, which is logically impossible - but that's also the premise of the story so we just have to accept that paradox, which means that the events that play out chronologically after the story as we see it *will* *be* *different* from the future we are presented with during the story. The use of time inversion techonology *guarantees* that the future will be different on the new time line the technology has created. Instead of destroying the past as intented, those in the future gave the present the power to not only destroy that future but change the events as we see them in the movie. For example - As The Protagonist risks his entire plan to protect Kat and Max/Young Neil, and considering he already owes him for saving his life multiple times, it's impossible to imagine that he would allow him to die in the next pass of the new time line. Due to his lack of power and knowledge The Protagonist is locked into the events as they unfold only up until the end of the story, then he is granted the power to alter the timeline as he sees fit, he's become as Sator puts it "like a God".
Yes, there is only One way something happens. I mean to say valid possibilities of an explanation , not implying something a universe building and branching based on criteria or a multiverse. I use the word "possibility" when referring to explanations offered. Because we don't observe something and can only guess at how something got there, we can theorize "Possibilities". but ultimately, there is only one right answer.
Trying to make sense of the time mechanics of Tenet is like trying to count the # angles dancing on the head of a pin. You can jump through as many hoops as you'd like, but at the end of the day angels aren't real so it doesn't matter. The problem with Tenet is that its treatment of "time" fails miserably regarding the actual physics of time-space. Einstein would have hated this movie, and I did as well.
What's really boggling my mind is 2:00 - when the turnstile activates, gold can only appear If And Only If Sator will then go on to bury the inverse gold to maintain its world line. If Sator sees the gold appear and then decides not to bury it, that breaks Causality so that outcome can't happen. But also it would not break Causailty for the turnstile to activate and for there to be no gold in there. And to me, this second outcome - where the turnstile activates but there is no gold in there - is more stable, and is therefore more 'desirable', for lack of a better word. As it stands in the video's suggestion, the gold appeared BECAUSE Sator was thinking "if there is inverted gold here, I will go bury it." If he was not thinking that, and 100% committed to doing it, the gold would not appear. To me, that's just nuts. Combined with his message request to the future, he has just willed the gold into being! Wow! It's too much for my brain to accept. I think I prefer a slightly alternate explanation. After sending the instructions, Sator inverts himself. Then, while inverted, he goes and digs up the gold. Then he takes the gold back into the turnstile with him, and voila now we have reverted Sator and reverted gold without any need for it to just 'appear' in the turnstile by sheer force of Sator's will.
I think I understand how Sator gets his gold from the future, but it looks like there's actually two stashes of gold, which wasn't initially clear to me from your animation. I just thought I should explain this for anyone else who was confused. The 1st stash of inverted gold was sent by the future just so (normal) Sator could deposit it and get a loan to build the turnstile. Sator afterwards takes the 1st stash back and reburies it in order to maintain its world line from the future. The 2nd stash of inverted gold also came from the future through a capsule (could be the same capsule for the 1st stash, but it doesn't really matter). From normal Sator's perspective, this inverted 2nd stash - along with its normal version - comes out of the newly-built turnstile because he 'reverse-caused' it to be there. This is just so he can use the normal 2nd stash for himself. Then Sator buries the inverted 2nd stash to maintain its world line from the future. Also, I should add: Sator perhaps (but not necessarily) has to transmit the coordinates of this 2nd inverted stash because he could've buried it in a place not specified by the future (e.g. Stalsk-12), so the future needs to know where to bury this 2nd inverted stash. But Sator doesn't need to do this for the 1st inverted stash because Sator just happened to be at the right place and time to find this 1st inverted stash.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Actually, that is a mistake in your analysis. The inverted gold cannot be placed into the chamber by someone who is not inverted, because that would happen in the past. The only way for an inverted person to re-vert is to go in from the future. That is why you see 2 duplicates coming out during Oslo. Inverted protagonist goes in and comes out the other side going forward in time. That is the version that Niel chases and sees. To the recently inverted protagonist the fight seen with himself already happened. To the regular protagonist it is happening and won't finish until the engine explodes later.
@@atsmyles ha,..I know it can be confusing. I have given a lot of thought into it too. Regular Sator is taking the inverted Gold out and burying it. But to the Gold,.he IS placing it in to revert. Normal people Can handle inverted stuff. Another way it can work is Sator just inverting himself and digging it up, then go back and revert both him and the Gold. Same result, But that's more steps, imho.
Ok, I think I understand why it wasn't clear. The point you missed is that the gold can't just appear in the machine. Someone inverted needs to place it in the machine from the future. That would mean that Sator can't get the inverted gold when the machine opens to burry it. The overall analysis otherwise in your video is spot on.
When an idea is so mindblowing, it's like when I'm back in my days learning Einstein's theory of special relativity. How spacemen accelerating so fast that when they come back to Earth, they're still young but 50 years have passed, or how you're in a ship moving at near light speed, and you fly a smaller ship inside that ship, yet you're still not surpassing the speed of light. Mindblown.
Here's another crazy concept. Causality has a speed. It is the speed of light and we aren't really SURE why causality has a speed limit considering it's quantum nature. So you understand that the sun is roughly 8 light minutes away, meaning that if the sun where to perish we wouldn't see the lights go out for 8 minutes. But did you know that the EARTH itself wouldn't be affected by the loss of a gravitational orbit around the sun for 8 minutes as well. Even though the sun is absent we would still be locked into orbit like it DID exist because of the speed limit of causality.
That Clip is from "The Messenger", which is totally Not a time travel movie. It is the story of Joan of Arc. But that scene was one of my favorite. th-cam.com/video/9oSJdSL8YOE/w-d-xo.html
Ok so sato follows a bunch of instructions to make the gold recoverable in the first place. Backwards what happens is he takes gold out of the capsule (this is the end of its journey when he puts it in) he leaves the gold at the bank (takes it to rebury it) He then gets other normal gold back which he puts into the turn table (this was him swapping inverted gold for normal gold.) He puts the resulting inverted gold in the initial capsule (he removes it which is the start of the journey) My questions: 1. How does he get the bank to hold onto his inverted gold and how does he ensure he gets the same gold back? 2. Much like how TP catches the bullet from the start of the movie, are we sure the bankers and transporters wouldnt have run into any reverse entropy effects with the inverted gold while he was burying it? And thirdly besides "because the plot needs to" why would sato guve a fuck about these instructions when he just got a bunch of gold bricks. I guess the future people knew he would do it because he left them his location before they even sent it. Was the capsule that sato opens itself inverted? If not, does that mean that the past had to supply it and the people in the future had to find it?
ok so I think we have to consider that each time that an inversion causes the forward time's past to change, another timeline gets created. Like, when the future people invert themselves with a bunch of gold, bury the gold and re-invert themselves, nothing really happens at first. The gold only "re-lives" its past backwards. But then, Sator digs out the gold in forward-time and by this creates a new timeline. A timeline in which he is the possessor of the gold and not whoever originally was at this time. If it even already existed at that time. Actually, already getting inverted probably creats a new timeline, I'm not sure if they're the same timeline or separate ones but that's not relevant now. So, as soon as Sator dug out the gold, the future people's past was changed, so a new timeline was created and the gold gets a "new past" from its inverted point of view. The past that is Sator's future. We know that from the point of view of an inverted object, every action that happend in forwad-time is being perceived as "backwards". So if Sator dug out the gold in forward-time, in the gold's perspective it was buried. But an object that's already buried can't be buried. So Sator posessing the gold has already happened in the gold's point of view. He already possessed it and now he buried it, while moving backwards. The future is the past and Sator's future must be the gold's past, otherwise he can't bury it in the gold's future. Therefore the original timeline no longer exists anymore.
There is nothing in this video that needs a branching timeline to resolve. I think the movie goes out of its way to subscribe to a One Timeline model. A Block Universe. The gold streaming from the future need only be brought to a turnstile while inverted and reverted, make a U-Turn in time). Sator can do this two ways. He can invert, then go dig up the gold and bring it to the blue side of the turnstile and both Revet to normal. Or, He can wait at the turnstile, the doors open , and we see both a blue and red Gold appear. He would then take the inverted gold and bury it. This means that from the inverted gold's point of view. It was in the ground from the future, dug out( unBuried), and then taken to a turnstile and reverted. Just like how TP reverted in Oslo. If we go the branching timeline route, then everything is easy. You can solve all paradoxes by saying well, it is a separate timeline now.
5:10 no no no, the hole on the chair was already there along with the bullet (the bullet was inverted) that means the long story tree into chair isn't valid, the logic way is neil shot the chair with the normal bullet then replaced the normal bullet with an inverted bullet, then waited the moment to catch up so neil can caught the inverted bullet with his empty gun which the bullet will ended up went through the guard body 1st before ended up in neil's gun
I think a better explain for the bullet Training is that a tenet agent became inverted and fired a bunch of inverted bullets into the wall for the purpose of training other agents later
The bullet in the chair has a decreasing Entrophie. I didnt exist some time ago, because on its way to the past it rust into pieces. Its particels are rust laying aroung. For non-inverted people: Rust from diffrent places assembels themself into a bullet. Like a inverted burning paper actually gets restored from dust and smoke.
Finally! I still have 50% grasp of how inverted object drop-off works. As always, we live in a twilight world, Welby. Edit: Watching these Tenet explanation videos is like an online class now lmao XD
About the bullet holes in the glass, if we ask "where is it going", then does that the bullet hole "unholes" itself in the past? In normal perspective that is 1. Glass is built (without holes) 2. Glass cracks itself slowly/rapidly (for how long? did a crack just spontaneously appeared? People using the turnstile before TP and Neil did would have noticed) 3. Glass is un-holed by inverted TP who unshots the gun
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Thank you for your interesting and well-thought explanations about this mind-blowing movie! Would definitely watch your (inverted) videos from the future
these animations will one day be used to plan the movie TENET
This comment is so underrated. It hurst my head thinking that thats how it would work inverted
In the past that is....
not so hurry. first they have to release the movie.
@@nirojanganan4591 they have to film it
Lol
For those who are wondering who is welby CoffeeSpill, he is non other than christopher nolan grand son who came here by inverting himself and gave an idea about tenet to christopher nolan so he did this film, that's it.
U r right 😂😂😂
Captain Obvious over here...
Yeah most likely!
This is funny but also inline with the movie
I love how you reversely allude to the grandfather paradox by saying the OP is grandson.
you can literally make you're whole entire youtube career on tenet videos, its not just making it easier for everyone to understand, but the way you explain it with the 3d models etc, always fun to watch, and i look forward for the next one!
they're really fun to make. Thanks. I will do the same 3d type visualization with the Opera, but I wanna schnaz it up some.
There is honestly not alot of solid info on it, vague circumstantial evidence. So I need to keep it clean.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Will you explain Predestination and Primer too
And of course Harry Potter Half blood prince
@@gurbanguliberdimuhamedov4228 I never seen Predestination , I should give that a try. Also, Primer I have only seen once and ended up on the floor. I should give that a second chance, hee hee.
or maybe a random youtuber had thought more about the movie than the writers and filmakers have. that's a more plausible explanation than anything. a spent bullet found its way into the chair lol
@@WelbyCoffeeSpillI think youll enjoy watching Predestination. Concept is pretty simple from its name only however the way they unfolded the story and when we can connect everything at the very end and come full circle gives you the satisfaction, head scratching and mind blown feel all at once. Hehe. Do watch it buddy
tenet is much underrated masterpiece in present.
but no worries, it will be well appreciated in the *PAST*
Underrated comment
agreed! love this movie and love Welby for explaining it clearly for people and fans!
Each to their own I guess. I found Tenet to be overhyped pretentious garbage.
@@judgeberry6071 LMAO NOT even close in the slightest. You have to be out of your mind to believe that rubbish in anyway or regrade.
The movie ISN'T "overhyped" either because while the emotional aspect wasn't completely overt for most audiences viewers to be compelled, it most certainly was still there tho. The movie got polarizing reception due it's complex nature the film already has a strong cult following due to it's great nature in filmmaking.
NOTHING about it is "pReTenIoUs" in anyway? Not a chance in hell it is. The movie is masterfully well written as people don't understand how well tightly packed the time inversion aspect of the movie its for it to work
Thankfully this channel Welby Coffeespill and among others TH-cam videos explaining Tenet showcases to viewers by explaining in detail on how the time inversion works correctly and how ingenious it is from scene to scene because there are LAYERS of events and sequences happening at once and you won't be able to get it all in first viewing.
NOTHING about that is "pReteNTIoUs" in anyway but it's EARNED it's complexity achievement by succeeding on making a story that has various aspects to it all at once coherently throughout and how it's core writing is tightly packed together for the movie's time travel to work and make sense over all.
And most certainly, NOTHING about is is "gArBAGe" either in anyway. It's a well crafted, well shot, well acted, edited, and conceptualized film for it to be ANYWHERE close to "gArBagE", not even close.
Not liking it is one's opinion as they can't like everything but saying it's anywhere near "gABRaGE" is just objectively wrong as it hits all the notes on how to be a structurally well made film with a high concept premise.
You're crazy to actually believe all that rubbish.
@@Gadget-Walkmen I love the film I don't think anyone can take the time inversion concept and make it that mind blowing and clear. But I think why most critics don't like it is, because of the objective a common plot that says if this thing will get to the wrong hands it would destroy the world. Unlike Nolan's other films like communicate with your daughter through a fourth dimension or plant an idea inside of another brain. However restating it again I love the concept of the film I have not seen anything beautifully done and frankly make it possible in a film. It's just the plot is not unique. I do understand Nolan is trying to make a spy film though.
7:20 that bass drop whenever someone gets hurt got me laughing 😂
lmaoooo same
Yeah I audibly lol’d
Nolan watching this: Ahhh now i got it. Or no...
Now he starts writing the script
I like the idea of the radiation slowly disappearing and object eventually reverting to normal entropic progression with time. It could be the gold remains inverted longer because of how stable of an element it is.
Or perhaps the capsules are lead lined to keep the radiation in?
@@Peztllence both could be true
From my understanding this just solves a plothole that makes the movie work. We learned that inverted and normal particles annihilate each other, but the clothes they wear are inverted and they touch the normal air. So they should immediately die making the movie not possible. This would fix the characters interacting with each other which would kill the need for the radiation explaining how things that characters interacted with even got there in the first place. Tenet would not work in the "real" world from my understanding since you could not reverse entropy for only certain "particles", they would immediately annihilate. I might have misunderstood it though, it wrecks my brain too :D
@@DaGhost141It's not that inverted and normal particles anihilate each other, it's that the SAME particles anihilate each other when they meet, one inverted one normal. So as long as a inverted character's clothes don't touch the normal set of clothes it's fine
@@guil7290 Correct but particles dont know which particles they are. Basically the "winds" are only there for the viewers to not be too weirded out. If we wanna stick to real physics a bullet forming in wood is *theoretically* possible since entropy CAN reverse it's just impossibly uncommon. For this reason you don't need the winds for example. I love Tenet but imo they didn't find a clear line where to stick to real physics and where to add a bit of magic.
1:51 felt like one of those ads for a puzzle game with no actual puzzle difficulty
Sorry! Your gold fell into the lava.
And Sator was eaten by a Tiger!
:)
Except this one is really fuckin difficult to get right :D
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill well technically a Kat did kill him.
lol imagine if they made him one of those weird zoo billionaires and part of Kats murder plan was an inverted tiger.
Just when I think I understand the movie, a video like this shows layers and details I hadn't thought of yet... Very cool explanations! Tenet's a masterpiece.
Oh my god I finally understand the Sator's gold conundrum. It seemed so strange that he could just take that inverted gold from the capsule, sell it and become rich with it even though it should have continued to travel into the past and just disappear right away. But he wasn't digging it out, he was BURYING IT at Stalsk-12 right after he bought it in the future from the inverted gold's point of view. In fact both the act of buying and selling must happen 2 times and are inverted from different perspectives to maintain consistency.
From the inverted gold's point of view, sator dug it out in the future, sold it in the past, then bought it again even further into the past and finally buried it at Stalsk-12 in his youth so it might lie there for eternity. From Sator's point of view he found the gold in his youth, sold it right away, established himself and then rebought the gold in the future to bury it for posterity in order to secure the unbroken world line.
The original gold served to establish the timeline and bootstrap Sator but it wasn't suddenly "taken" from the capsule and its timeline wasn't broken, it was only temporarily repackaged before it was sent again on its way either way you look at it. Thanks, after watching so many videos I finally started to look at the Tenet world in the new way. It makes sense now.
As Priya said: "You have started looking at the world in a new way."
So you're saying before he has a turnstile he has to re-bury the inverted gold at some point otherwise it won't be there in his past for him to dig up, but once he as one he can just take the inverted gold from capsules and invert it and spend it as he wants ? I don't really understand what the problem is with taking the inverted gold and spending it beyond that.
I get that if he takes the gold now and doesn't re-bury it it can't be buried in the future, but what if he doesn't re-bury it ? And what if he keeps it and puts it in a turnstile ?
@@adrienperie6119 What's happened happened. If future Sator didn't do things properly it never would have happened as it should. But things happened as it should because he did things properly. Inverted gold has to maintain its own inverted timeline. The timeline being it's inverted and sent from the far future, the future rich Sator "finds it", digs it up and "sells it", then after a while the past Sator "buys it" it back, "gets poor" and puts it in the ground. From Sator's point of view he's poor, he digs up gold, sells it, gets rich, in the future he buys it back to bury it in the ground on the orders of the future guys in order to establish unbroken timeline.
This way both inverted gold's timeline is secured and Sator's past is bootstrapped. Since time works in a specific way in tenet (the entire time and all that has ever happened already happened) it makes sense because if it didn't it couldn't have happened. The first time inverted gold made contact with Sator was in fact in the future when he was burying it, correctly establishing the unbroken timeline for the inverted gold's journey. You're asking the question in the wrong way. Look at the things from the inverted gold's point of view. If something happened differently inverted gold's journey would not work as planned and Sator's past wouldn't have been established. There is no IF. Things happened the way they happened because there was no IF.
@@TheWoodenshark I understand that now, by burring the inverted gold Sator creates the conditions for it to be able to even be there in the first place. It means the gold has been there for basically forever when it is first dug up.
What's even harder for me to get and what I don't fully get yet is what he does for the other times he gets gold, he inverts it using the turnstile ? But if so, there is no longer inverted gold to be buried ? So gold is inverted in the future and buried, travels backwards in it's capsule underground until sator uncovers it, puts it in a turnstile and now it is normal gold to be spent. From Sator's point of view he buries a capsule, sends coordinates to the future, he sees gold appearing in the turnstile and on the other side there is inverted gold he has to bury in that capsule. I think I got it ? But man, that is just an amazing mind twister, can't help but feel bad for all the people choosing to opt out of using their brains by saying it's bull and doesn't work, and at the same time I despise the lack of respect they display at such amazing intellectual work that went into this, it's basically unseen in the movie world. What I hate the most is the people saying "there is nothing to understand, it's a paradox" so that they can feel better and put their brains to rest.
I, rejected those answers ;) (Andrew Ryan)
It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer. - Albert Einstein
Whooo, a new Tenet visualiization video! What a nice treat.
The timing of Sators' music motif when he clapped that thieving hood - I don't think I have laughed that much in months. "Tw@t". #'Weeeerrrrrp# hahahaha.
I still don't get it bro but thanks for trying
I love the theory that the radiation of an inverse object could wear off, and that's why the lab tech and Tenet wear protective gloves in that first scene with inverted objects. It might not to prevent THEM from getting irradiated, but to protect the radiations from interacting and eventually canceling! (Course, then that brings up the question of how the gloves themselves would avoid somehow transferring radiation, but that's a question for the future. Or maybe Future!Me in the past!)
Holy moly, this was the last thing I couldn't wrap my head around in this film. This series of animations has been extremely helpful! Thank you for your service!
That ending sequence showing how Sator knew his henchman stole from him gave chills; I've been wracking my brain for months trying to figure out this scene! It all makes sense now, thanks! Is this the final video of Tenet you'll produce? I hope not, more animations please. This movie is so deep-I have an unopened 4K disc that I plan on keeping as a collector's item. Even though we live in an era of digital everything, this movie affected me so much, I have to have it in my presence physically at all times. Truly a masterpiece, thank you, Mr. Nolan (and you too, Welby)!!!
I think I may do one on the Opera scene next. There isn't much inversion going on but it somehow manages to be just as confusing.
That part is actually the part that threw me off.
I don't understand why they have to constantly bury and rebury and sent it back in time to send forward in time, over and over again.
Lol, as expected when a movie simply fails to explain its own pretentious self. No surprises here! 🍷
@@evm6177 Imagine being this childish enough to copy and post the same nonsensical garbage over and over again. The OP comment's not even trying to agree with you in the slightest, you're just foolishly copying the same nonsense over and over again and foolishly liking you're own comment like an actually insecure fool would.
The movie doesn't "fails" on anything you idiot. And the movies EXPLAINS very well NOTHING about that is "pReteNTIoUs" in anyway but it's EARNED it's complexity achievement by succeeding on making a story that has various aspects to it all at once coherently throughout and how it's core writing is tightly packed together for the movie's time travel to work and make sense over all.
The only thing that's a "no surprise" is your idiotic comments and responses.
And your conceited "wine glass" rubbish just shows how foolishly conceited and narrow minded you really are.
Good job at liking your own insanely bad comments as well you fool.
@@bigmiki2620 I’m not sure they do have to.
When they get the algorithm, they don’t have to re-bury it. Of course, someone from the future creates it but still. I’ve seen no evidence that the future’s bad guys must provide the gold for it to be used later…to provide it to them.
years from now when someone understands this concept, they will create this video
A couple of fun thoughts about the gold;
First, it's the perfect means for the future to pay Sator with because it does not oxidize(rust) and will remain perfectly normal(albeit inverted) gold pretty much forever. Whereas the *bullet* will eventually break down into lead oxides and disseminate into the environment... but from an outside viewpoint, lead oxides were drawn by the tree from the air and ground, somehow managing to form into a bullet inside the tree which is made into a chair, whereupon gunsmoke gathers around the bullet hole and re-forms into gunpowder as the bullet is un-fired.
Second, Sator killing his minion because he tried to steal some gold makes perfect sense when you think of the gold as not just money, but as potential *BOMB.* If the moron had managed to accidentally bring the reverted gold in contact with its inverted counterpart, it would have annihilated - and if conservation of energy is still in effect in the TENET universe, 27 pounds of gold annihilating another 27 pounds would produce a blast of roughly 1161 megatons. And the Tsar Bomba - the largest bomb ever detonated with a yield of just 53 megatons - made a crater *two kilometers wide.*
He didn't kill the schmuck for stealing from him(well not *just* for that), but because he risked an extinction-level event.
Hell, I'm pretty sure I would have killed the little gimp for that myself.
ha yeah,..that would be catastrophic.
That may also explain Sator's immediate Shocked Expression looking up just before that, when his other henchman is telling him what happened.
Like,.." Are you f(*&^n serious?!"
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Other spy villains have to worry about their mooks skipping maintenance or marksmanship drills. Sator has to worry about his minions accidentally *blowing up a continent.*
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Oh, quick thought; are you going to do a piece on how air is inverted for time travelers to breathe? Or could it be as simple as; "Normal mammals breathe oxy-nitrogen mix and exhale carbon dioxide. Inverted ones in effect, must have carbon dioxide in their environment to convert to oxygen - though to a normal observer, they are exhaling carbon dioxide into a storage device and breathing atmospheric oxygen. We are inverted, the world is not."
@@kalaong nah. none of that is necessary.
It's pretty simple to understand if you think about it.
Inverted people can't breath regular air. They need inverted air to match the direction of their lungs. So they carry around those masks and little air tanks, like a Scuba diver.
Inside the tanks is inverted air. That's where they get their oxygen, they breathe like normal. Therefore they must exhale inverted co2. Simple as that.
From a forward observer, all they'd see is co2 moving backwards back into the mask exhaust port.
I have ideas for a future video, far future. That just visualizes a bunch of random side things that people wonder about. Like how do you see or hear. I can include a brief thing on breathing there.
These videos are getting better and better! Well done.
I affirm that the operator of this channel is Christopher Nolan.
You blew my mind with the gold reveal. To this day I always thought that was a massive plothole (how can he receive buried inverted gold from the past, as digging it up would prevent it from being buried). The concept that he first builds a turnstile and receives the gold from that is so genius. Well done.
I have no idea why digging it up would prevent it from being buried.
That logic isn’t applied anywhere else in the movie.
It was inverted, buried in the future, and discovered by Sator in the past.
They could have mined it from whatever gold already exists in their time.
No one asks how they could fire an inverted bullet, as if that would keep it from being manufactured or packaged at some other point in time.
@@westmcgee9320 no. Think about the timeline of the inverted gold. It's inverted in the future (so starts moving backwards through time) and is then buried. It would be streaming backwards through time whilst buried until Sator digs it up. But assuming Sator isn't inverted, the act of him digging it up means it's no longer buried underground throughout the future so it's a plothole. This video illustrated a way around that that makes sense and uses in-movie logic (the turnstiles). Very cool.
@@DannyDoesGuitar just sent back inverted capsule, with inverted gold within, from the future. And Sator would not be busy with re buring gold to maintain capsule for the future.
@@DannyDoesGuitar nope, this inverted gold just CAN do the path of normal gold and still be discovered by Sator. It's just question of perspective: for "blue" gold it is Sator who INVERTED. But more interesting question: how he managed to work with inverted gold? For exaple: bullet's in lab travel from table to hand - it is horrible to imagine all the Sators struggle, even if this question was answered in intructions from capsula.
it's the first Tenet explanation (and I've watched like 10 of them at least) that deals with the worldlines of inverted objects. And it made some sense. Thanks.
Imagine welby doing animation on science experiments, it would be next level ❣🙌 and I personally request welby on doing animations on science experiments in future, so that it would be more useful for science students ❤
Absolutely! He'd be the best ever!
not gonna lie. Even before Tenet, I'd be up at night watching all kinds of nerdy youtube videos on quantum physics for dummies.
This one stands out as one that inspired me.
th-cam.com/video/Q1YqgPAtzho/w-d-xo.html
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill I'm really inspired by your work,you're really great sir , could you please animate on science experiments more, so that it will be more helpful for science students visualisation
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Thanks for sharing the link. Your videos are on point.
I’m a visual learner, simple stick figures is all that’s needed to explain the complexities of inverse chronology thank you so much!!! 😊
Me too. I totally make these videos just as much for myself to work things out.
Good to see that you're back. Love your tenet explanation vids.
You are an absolute legend dude. Your videos help immensely. I am so happy that I understand the film more and more. But there is a lot more for me to discover. I probably have to watch your videos again and again. Keep it up!
AAAAAAAH it actually does make sense !!! NOOOOOOO HOWWW ....
Amazing.
Amazing video, amazing visuals just WOW.
Well done!
All of these videos, these works are incredible! Incredible explanation keep up with this great series!
Honestly ty so much for like tackling this concept it has taken me forever to understand tenet which I love because I love to try to decipher confusing movies, a.k.a Christopher Nolan’s mind
This guy is a legend!!
when we needed Welby CoffeeSpill the most, they return
Hey Man, really appreciate your explanation and thought process. I have personally watched your videos multiple times to understand what is happening in the movie. Please keep up the good work.
There indeed isn't that many movies that you have to watch videos multiple times explaining how things work in the movie.
I love I still come back to these vids haha well done
3:59 and that precisely explains when TP first inverts and steps in that puddle, that water reacts before his foot makes contact with it. I remember people saying this is dumb because what if the water started reacting and TP decided to change his mind and not put his foot down. This breaks the world line. If TP decided to not touch his foot to the water than the water would not have reacted as if he stepped in it. It would simply not occur.
@GoharioFTW yep. Same with trying change your mind entering the turnstile.
If your intent is to troll the universe, you'll just be standing there all day waiting for something that you intentionally weren't going to do in the first place.
You are the savior CoffeeSpill, what a gift to us for having this video
I wonder how many explanations there are for this movie
Still there will be some difficulty in understanding
Lol, as expected when a movie simply fails to explain its own pretentious self. No surprises here! 🍷
@@evm6177 Naw then there would be complaints of over explanation.
@@evm6177 hahaha. Don't like coming up with your own interpretations for things?
First Tenet Fucked My Mind Now His Explanations Are Fucking It Much Harder..😂❤
Loved Your Explanation
The fact that the Presents causality on inverted objects changes the past for the inverted object is mind-blowing to me. So like you said, aslong as the action does not break the world line then any possibility that would cause an inverted object to go back to where it became first inverted will happen.
Great work
I'm glad there are some people who appreciate this amazing movie
Worldlines! Heck yeah, one of my favorite concepts; useful for solving so many paradoxes.
The Return of the King
So hard work, TENET is my favorite movie, watching this video again after 10 months
„Back to the wall. Which is more a slab of Stone.“ - the most important Discovery of the video :D
For the Rest Great Vid dude! Very well done.
underrated youtube channel
The more I think about these details, the more I'd like to see some of them visually depicted in full live action/animation (as helpful as these simple 'action figure' animations definitely are for visualising these weird concepts) - for example, it would be wild to see how the inverted 'bad guys' from the more distant future buried their inverted gold for its journey far into the past; the act of them 'burying' it would actually be pretty complicated, with the ground actually coming together around their 'digging' rather than breaking apart.. like watching video of a hole being dug, the gold-containing capsule being extracted, and then the hole being filled again, all in reverse with 'backwards physics'.
The future dudes doing the burying would need to be inverted themselves, not just the inverse time capsule, because if they were moving forwards through time normally, their inverted gold would already be there when they first dug the hole to place it in, no matter where they dug it would just materialise there as soon as they went with the intention to place it there in their forward-moving minds... I need a lie down
I'd love to do a full on CG short of some scenarios. But if I want to do something looking better than simple colors and geo it will take a lot! :)
I just assumed that damage from inverted objects doesn't exist eternally into the past, but it simply appears shortly before unhappening. In the Freeport battle, you see the Protagonist start bleeding from a fight that he's about to have with himself shortly before the battle actually happens. Then the damage reverses itself during the battle. It is similarly likely that there weren't always bullet holes in the glass. They appeared from the perspective of forward time shortly before the Protagonist unfired them. You even see the holes growing before the battle begins
I explore all of that in the previous two videos. #3 and #2.
I do make a distinction between the "effects' on Normal non-inverted objects, like the glass, and the actual inverted object itself, which this video #4 explores.
These animations are GOLD.
I still don’t get it…
I'm subbed and belled for this channel.
You just made my day.
This is my new favorite channel. God bless.
I always assumed Neil's body would decay backwards so when the bunker was built the dust that is Neil is also placed there by happenstance
yeah, I think that is perfectly acceptable.
Consider this...
A forward moving particle enters the turnstile, inverts itself, comes out, comes in contact with it's forward moving self and they both get annhilated...
It's funny, because for a normal person watching this would see two identical objects popping out of thin air and then disappearing again into the turnstile.
So the annhilation point can be considered as both the origin and the ending of that particle.
So how is this possible, because most of the objects in the movie(including TP😅) has a well defined origin(if not a end).
I know it's the same *"can we change the past?"* question but this one, for some reason, seems more meaningful than the others.
The explanation Wheeler gives about annihilation seems odd due to Causality being broken.
If the forward particle was destroyed then it is not around to enter the turnstile to begin with. So that event is impossible to occur.
It IS possible if the only one annihilated is the inverted particle though. Wheeler was talking to an inverted Protagonist at the time so perhaps she meant Only He would be destroyed. But it is unclear in the film.
The way i try to follow tenet is by the way its described in the ending of the 2nd movie
"Dont understand it, just feel it"
2:05
Took me a while to wrap my head around this step.
I was wondering: “Okay but why did it manifest? It wasn’t streaming from the far future, who put the gold into the turnstile?”
But then I realised from the inverted gold’s perspective, Sator carries it into the turnstile and it dis-inverts allowing it to stream into the future.
1:42 Mafia City ads are getting real interesting these days
If you're interested in a short audio story that neatly resolves the Grandfather Paradox check out "Paleontology" on my channel. The logic I laid out in that story could have neatly resolved a lot of issues was inverted objects, too.
Very nice story.
For one reason or another Nolan seemed to shy away from branching timelines and multiple universes. Instead, subscribing to a block universe model.
You have Scholl point out that Ben didn't destroy our universe because we are here to observe it now. I think this is in line with the philosophy of Tenet.
An anthropic one.
I think the core of Tenet's inversion goes beyond branches. And admittedly poses many logical paradoxes that Neil sort of skirts by with his "pissing in the wind" analogy.
Scholl finding Benny and ensuring he "returns the favor" to the timeline is very reminiscent of Neil accepting his role to invert to open the gate.
I agree that branching lines would easily resolve grandfather issues though.
And they do even nod to the idea that if there were, you'd never know.
Cheers!
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Hey, I’m delighted that you listened to the story and enjoyed it!
No, I don’t think the branch-and-prune logic I that posited in Paleontology applies in Tenet at all, I was just saying that Nolan could have constructed his story logic that way instead of going with his “entropy wind” fix. If he’d gone with that approach, then shooting an inverted bullet into the past would cause the timeline to branch many times, but only the paradox-free histories would stay on the “tree” and be part of reality. His “entropy wind” fix was very clever though, and works as a blanket explanation for any paradox that might arise.
Btw, I’ve watched all your Tenet vids, and they’re great! Looks like you were as fascinated with the movie as I was. I just couldn’t get around to watching it until Spring 2022. It bums me out that the Nolanest Nolan film didn’t do great at the box office. Whooshed over most people’s heads, I guess, or they couldn’t get over the lack of character development. But for me, Tenet was just everything I love about Nolan films dialed up to 11.
Cheers!
@@jerrysstories711 i was also relatively late to the party. Due to the covid craziness I never got to see tenet on release on the big screen.
I waited until it released on GooglePlay and watched it on my phone, lol.
But despite that I became enamored obviously!
Are most of your stories time related? I may check out more. Seems like good listening while working from home.
Cheers!
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill On a phone? Yikes! I thought I had it bad watching it on a laptop in my lap on a recliner!
Paleontology is my only time story, but "Penance" is a prequel to it! That' also on the channel.
And I'm working on "Paradoxes" to complete the trilogy.
the more confusing the storyline the more fun it gets.
extremely helpful videos. the Hot Sauce dominos were a funny touch!
Despite watching TENET 3 times in cinema, yet there are so many things... remained undigested in my mind. Yup, TENET is more complicated than MEMENTO, INCEPTION and INTERSTELLAR.
the ending was amazing and funny lol
Theres a sci-fi story about a character who is time reversed but is unable to move and only perceives the area around themselves. They find themselves being worshiped as a deity because from the forward persepctive this skeleton began to form followed by connective tissue, muscle, skin, until it was a screaming suffering person.
This is what is happening to inverted objects traveling backwards. From their perspective entropy is still increasing so they rust, decay, and fall apart into dust. This is equivalent to the radiation dissipation theory resulting in annihilation (it would likely appear similar to natural half-life radiation decay models so the object wouldn't wholly spontaneously annihilate but instead dissolve by radiation decay).
So the case for the bullet in the wall and chair from the forward perspective those bullets would "naturally" form within the wall and chair - essentially like Boltzmann brain (or Booltzmann bullet in this case).
"I don't care much for this, pretending we're back where we started. I want to know where we are, where we're going."
Before watching this, I have no Idea or not understand what exactly Sator want from that gold. After watching this video, i was mesmerized by how well you understand the movie and realize that Sator is really f*ck*ng smart ahead them (PT, Neil, and Tenet)
Alright, this is a banger, actually makes accepting the movie bearable. I shudder to think that Nolan thought this all through the same way, but I wouldn't be surprised.
I don't think Nolan thought this through all by himself. He probably came up with the idea of inverting objects in time then hired smart scientists and screenwriters to help him sort out the details such that everything would work.
hello what is the first Soundtrack that you use from 0:00 TO 1:35
it is a loop I made using the soundtrack from the film.
Tenet: The Plan
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In my interpretation - we see what happens during the events of the story, but we know that both past and future events effect the events that we see, which is logically impossible - but that's also the premise of the story so we just have to accept that paradox, which means that the events that play out chronologically after the story as we see it *will* *be* *different* from the future we are presented with during the story.
The use of time inversion techonology *guarantees* that the future will be different on the new time line the technology has created. Instead of destroying the past as intented, those in the future gave the present the power to not only destroy that future but change the events as we see them in the movie.
For example - As The Protagonist risks his entire plan to protect Kat and Max/Young Neil, and considering he already owes him for saving his life multiple times, it's impossible to imagine that he would allow him to die in the next pass of the new time line. Due to his lack of power and knowledge The Protagonist is locked into the events as they unfold only up until the end of the story, then he is granted the power to alter the timeline as he sees fit, he's become as Sator puts it "like a God".
even with the graph and explanation, my mind can't comprehend how it works.
Thank you so much for making these
There's no "possibility", choices are illusions this movie has a very deterministic view of time traveling.
Yes, there is only One way something happens.
I mean to say valid possibilities of an explanation , not implying something a universe building and branching based on criteria or a multiverse.
I use the word "possibility" when referring to explanations offered.
Because we don't observe something and can only guess at how something got there, we can theorize "Possibilities". but ultimately, there is only one right answer.
The gold makes sense, the bullet..... WHAT?
Oh. My. God. I had no idea this movie was THIS complicated. Dayum.
It isn't necessary. This is some deep dive nerd-stuff,.lol.
You can always take the film's recommendation and just "Feel It".
:)
fiquei obcecado com essa forma de visualizar o futuro e passado, esse filme me enlouqueceu kkk
Trying to make sense of the time mechanics of Tenet is like trying to count the # angles dancing on the head of a pin.
You can jump through as many hoops as you'd like, but at the end of the day angels aren't real so it doesn't matter.
The problem with Tenet is that its treatment of "time" fails miserably regarding the actual physics of time-space.
Einstein would have hated this movie, and I did as well.
Thanks for using music from dark, a real nice touch
It's amazing how much work, money, and thought went into all these reverse action sequences, and how unexciting and dull they end up being.
I love your videos!
the gun at Oslo came from TP, he's holding the gun before he gets "sucked in" to the freeport
What's really boggling my mind is 2:00 - when the turnstile activates, gold can only appear If And Only If Sator will then go on to bury the inverse gold to maintain its world line.
If Sator sees the gold appear and then decides not to bury it, that breaks Causality so that outcome can't happen.
But also it would not break Causailty for the turnstile to activate and for there to be no gold in there.
And to me, this second outcome - where the turnstile activates but there is no gold in there - is more stable, and is therefore more 'desirable', for lack of a better word.
As it stands in the video's suggestion, the gold appeared BECAUSE Sator was thinking "if there is inverted gold here, I will go bury it." If he was not thinking that, and 100% committed to doing it, the gold would not appear.
To me, that's just nuts. Combined with his message request to the future, he has just willed the gold into being! Wow!
It's too much for my brain to accept.
I think I prefer a slightly alternate explanation. After sending the instructions, Sator inverts himself. Then, while inverted, he goes and digs up the gold. Then he takes the gold back into the turnstile with him, and voila now we have reverted Sator and reverted gold without any need for it to just 'appear' in the turnstile by sheer force of Sator's will.
I love this movie so much, but can't understand it. Your videos are helping a lot! :)
I think I understand how Sator gets his gold from the future, but it looks like there's actually two stashes of gold, which wasn't initially clear to me from your animation. I just thought I should explain this for anyone else who was confused.
The 1st stash of inverted gold was sent by the future just so (normal) Sator could deposit it and get a loan to build the turnstile. Sator afterwards takes the 1st stash back and reburies it in order to maintain its world line from the future.
The 2nd stash of inverted gold also came from the future through a capsule (could be the same capsule for the 1st stash, but it doesn't really matter). From normal Sator's perspective, this inverted 2nd stash - along with its normal version - comes out of the newly-built turnstile because he 'reverse-caused' it to be there. This is just so he can use the normal 2nd stash for himself. Then Sator buries the inverted 2nd stash to maintain its world line from the future.
Also, I should add: Sator perhaps (but not necessarily) has to transmit the coordinates of this 2nd inverted stash because he could've buried it in a place not specified by the future (e.g. Stalsk-12), so the future needs to know where to bury this 2nd inverted stash. But Sator doesn't need to do this for the 1st inverted stash because Sator just happened to be at the right place and time to find this 1st inverted stash.
Yes.
The first time he does it, it has an extra step of returning the original gold.
After that it's much simpler, as you described.
Cheers!
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Actually, that is a mistake in your analysis. The inverted gold cannot be placed into the chamber by someone who is not inverted, because that would happen in the past. The only way for an inverted person to re-vert is to go in from the future. That is why you see 2 duplicates coming out during Oslo. Inverted protagonist goes in and comes out the other side going forward in time. That is the version that Niel chases and sees. To the recently inverted protagonist the fight seen with himself already happened. To the regular protagonist it is happening and won't finish until the engine explodes later.
You know what, nevermind. I think you got it right.
@@atsmyles ha,..I know it can be confusing. I have given a lot of thought into it too.
Regular Sator is taking the inverted Gold out and burying it. But to the Gold,.he IS placing it in to revert.
Normal people Can handle inverted stuff.
Another way it can work is Sator just inverting himself and digging it up, then go back and revert both him and the Gold. Same result, But that's more steps, imho.
Ok, I think I understand why it wasn't clear. The point you missed is that the gold can't just appear in the machine. Someone inverted needs to place it in the machine from the future. That would mean that Sator can't get the inverted gold when the machine opens to burry it. The overall analysis otherwise in your video is spot on.
This explains everything!!! Good job!!!!!
When an idea is so mindblowing, it's like when I'm back in my days learning Einstein's theory of special relativity. How spacemen accelerating so fast that when they come back to Earth, they're still young but 50 years have passed, or how you're in a ship moving at near light speed, and you fly a smaller ship inside that ship, yet you're still not surpassing the speed of light. Mindblown.
Here's another crazy concept. Causality has a speed. It is the speed of light and we aren't really SURE why causality has a speed limit considering it's quantum nature. So you understand that the sun is roughly 8 light minutes away, meaning that if the sun where to perish we wouldn't see the lights go out for 8 minutes. But did you know that the EARTH itself wouldn't be affected by the loss of a gravitational orbit around the sun for 8 minutes as well. Even though the sun is absent we would still be locked into orbit like it DID exist because of the speed limit of causality.
Great video! What is that scene with the woman talking to the man? It looks like a movie I would want to watch, but I don’t recognize it.
That Clip is from "The Messenger", which is totally Not a time travel movie. It is the story of Joan of Arc. But that scene was one of my favorite.
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Oh, last comment of the day, this video is wonderful, thank you for your time, hehe
This is so interesting and mind boggling at the same time...
Ok so sato follows a bunch of instructions to make the gold recoverable in the first place.
Backwards what happens is he takes gold out of the capsule (this is the end of its journey when he puts it in) he leaves the gold at the bank (takes it to rebury it) He then gets other normal gold back which he puts into the turn table (this was him swapping inverted gold for normal gold.) He puts the resulting inverted gold in the initial capsule (he removes it which is the start of the journey)
My questions:
1. How does he get the bank to hold onto his inverted gold and how does he ensure he gets the same gold back?
2. Much like how TP catches the bullet from the start of the movie, are we sure the bankers and transporters wouldnt have run into any reverse entropy effects with the inverted gold while he was burying it?
And thirdly besides "because the plot needs to" why would sato guve a fuck about these instructions when he just got a bunch of gold bricks. I guess the future people knew he would do it because he left them his location before they even sent it.
Was the capsule that sato opens itself inverted? If not, does that mean that the past had to supply it and the people in the future had to find it?
ok so I think we have to consider that each time that an inversion causes the forward time's past to change, another timeline gets created. Like, when the future people invert themselves with a bunch of gold, bury the gold and re-invert themselves, nothing really happens at first. The gold only "re-lives" its past backwards. But then, Sator digs out the gold in forward-time and by this creates a new timeline.
A timeline in which he is the possessor of the gold and not whoever originally was at this time. If it even already existed at that time. Actually, already getting inverted probably creats a new timeline, I'm not sure if they're the same timeline or separate ones but that's not relevant now.
So, as soon as Sator dug out the gold, the future people's past was changed, so a new timeline was created and the gold gets a "new past" from its inverted point of view. The past that is Sator's future.
We know that from the point of view of an inverted object, every action that happend in forwad-time is being perceived as "backwards". So if Sator dug out the gold in forward-time, in the gold's perspective it was buried. But an object that's already buried can't be buried. So Sator posessing the gold has already happened in the gold's point of view. He already possessed it and now he buried it, while moving backwards. The future is the past and Sator's future must be the gold's past, otherwise he can't bury it in the gold's future. Therefore the original timeline no longer exists anymore.
There is nothing in this video that needs a branching timeline to resolve. I think the movie goes out of its way to subscribe to a One Timeline model. A Block Universe.
The gold streaming from the future need only be brought to a turnstile while inverted and reverted, make a U-Turn in time).
Sator can do this two ways.
He can invert, then go dig up the gold and bring it to the blue side of the turnstile and both Revet to normal.
Or,
He can wait at the turnstile, the doors open , and we see both a blue and red Gold appear. He would then take the inverted gold and bury it.
This means that from the inverted gold's point of view. It was in the ground from the future, dug out( unBuried), and then taken to a turnstile and reverted.
Just like how TP reverted in Oslo.
If we go the branching timeline route, then everything is easy. You can solve all paradoxes by saying well, it is a separate timeline now.
5:10 no no no, the hole on the chair was already there along with the bullet (the bullet was inverted) that means the long story tree into chair isn't valid, the logic way is neil shot the chair with the normal bullet then replaced the normal bullet with an inverted bullet, then waited the moment to catch up so neil can caught the inverted bullet with his empty gun which the bullet will ended up went through the guard body 1st before ended up in neil's gun
or Neil could just use regular ammo like any NORMAL HUMAN BEING WOULD.
I think a better explain for the bullet Training is that a tenet agent became inverted and fired a bunch of inverted bullets into the wall for the purpose of training other agents later
This movie is a jewel
this movie is ahead of its time is around 15 to 20 years
Superb effort... well done
The bullet in the chair has a decreasing Entrophie. I didnt exist some time ago, because on its way to the past it rust into pieces. Its particels are rust laying aroung.
For non-inverted people: Rust from diffrent places assembels themself into a bullet. Like a inverted burning paper actually gets restored from dust and smoke.
Where does the rust come from? (for non-inverted timeline)
Finally! I still have 50% grasp of how inverted object drop-off works.
As always, we live in a twilight world, Welby.
Edit: Watching these Tenet explanation videos is like an online class now lmao XD
Lol, as expected when a movie simply fails to explain its own pretentious self. No surprises here online classes indeed ! 🍷
the best movie of 2020. very good yields many theories
Going to share this in r/timetravel great video ;)
About the bullet holes in the glass, if we ask "where is it going", then does that the bullet hole "unholes" itself in the past? In normal perspective that is
1. Glass is built (without holes)
2. Glass cracks itself slowly/rapidly (for how long? did a crack just spontaneously appeared? People using the turnstile before TP and Neil did would have noticed)
3. Glass is un-holed by inverted TP who unshots the gun
Yes. I have another video about the effects on Normal things affected by Inverted objects here.
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@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Thank you for your interesting and well-thought explanations about this mind-blowing movie! Would definitely watch your (inverted) videos from the future
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