@@jennychan5314 Only that it doesn't really make sense. It's fiction, doesn't work like that. I'm fine with this but I don't like the attempt of explaining something that can't be explained. So let's take the gun shooting an inverted bullet into a non-inverted wall. So from what we see in the scene, the wall starts with a hole, a bullet inside and some pieces of wall all around the room. Then the inverted bullet flies out, the stone pieces fly into the wall. From the other direction, what we see is the bullet shooting the stone pieces out, that all kinda makes sense. Now the logic hole that they try to fill here is that the stone pieces somehow must have been there so that they fly into the wall. And they do that by flying out of the wall, into the room before they fly back into the wall and "push out" the bullet. So, if you watch in the right moment, you just see a wall randomly shooting out pieces of stone. Or are they flying very slowly?
@@Hejeval The dialogue wasn't always great, but the editing wasn't bad at all. I only noticed something off during Neil's death, but everywhere else was fine.
One of the good examples of "wind" effect is when inverted TP was in the container on his way to the airport and suddenly started feeling his arm hurts. Little by little, it started to hurt more. By the time he had to leave the container, Neil told him "you're bleeding". Moments later, we see that normal TP "un-stabs" him in his arm.
@@unaeki None of what you just said is a disagreement to what I said. You simply used the term "lesson" instead of "teaching". But not every subject is about speaking, such as math & gym.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill So if you're Nolan then can you read this backwards? .sdrawkcab ngiklat am I ,it reah nac ouy sA .sdrawkcab gniklaw eb ot mees I dnA .erutuf eht morf tub ouy am I ,yblew olleH
I’ve been obsessed with Temporal inversion in this movie , it’s amazing that I have content to watch that explorers this concept in-depth . I’m sure this is very time consuming but I really enjoy every video you have created on this subject and appreciate the dedication .
Robert G ain't that the truth. Especially that Freeport fight. When I first saw and then again in the inverted perspective I lost my fucking mind. Any particular scene you enjoyed?
@@Naz-xk6hq that’s my favorite scene , never scene anything like it . Nolan is always raising the creative bar with his films . Palindromic combat choreography blows my mind .
Day 45: I am deep now, deep in my search for knowledge and understanding. I still remember that day i first jumped on youtube and the mighty algorithm suggested a video explaining tenet. Only to leave me lost, and more confused then ever. The days fly by so fast, but i am now getting closer. Maybe i will one day understand TENET and Arrival, but I'm not quite there yet. Thanks for making these, helps a lot!
It makes you realize how TP Neil is forever stuck in a potential time loop of having to sacrifice himself with an inverted round to the head. And just sit there decaying until the moment happens. Use of entropy to intertwine the timelines to form a new forward future is why this film is so amazing. You are taught that you can’t change your past, but Nolan took a step further and said your past will always dictate your future...literally.
But did the shooter catch the round or did he shoot it? I don't think the shooter or his round was inverted, Neil was. Just as how when Sator was inverted and reversed shot Kat that it carried into her future because she wasn't inverted.
@@RealLaone remember forward Neil inverted himself to “lock” the door so he can unlock it for the forward protagonist. He literally went to war with the inverted team so he can go underground and do that before the protagonist got to the door. The end when you see Neil walking away, he only went back to base and suck back at the meeting. So he inverted himself again to prepare for his demise. What you see is a Neil almost a forever amount of time who performed the action already, was shot with a forward round as an invert, and then had the round removed from his body once the forward scene occurred. By far one of the most convoluted scenes
Kat's wound is the one that really bends my understanding of the rules within Tenet, looking forward to that video. Props to you and everyone helping to put these together, love the dedication!
That one is a little more intuition-logic explainable. First off, apparently an inverted bullet on a regular person, apart from the regular damage from a gunshot wound, also causes some sort of radiation damage. So the point for Neil and TP to have to take Kat through the Freeeport turnstile is to stop the radiation from spreading, not much about the normal gunshot wound damage.
@@osmanmelendez9226 exactly this. She wasn't shot in the heart like say, the dude at the opera. But due to the inverted radiation present in inverted bullets, it turned it into a mortal wound that would kill her moving forward. Inverting her to cancel out the inverted radiation turns it into a normal, heal-able wound. They don't go too much into inverted radiation in the movie, other than it's devastating. I will explore body damage specifically in the next video. Cheers!
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Without the radiation damage on top, and according to this video, couldn’t a gunshot wound from an Inverted bullet only be operated on in Inverted Time by someone Inverted, since its effect would propagate into the past?
@@marcuskiller02 That sounds right to me,..lol. This whole inversion tech is not some common thing, so I imagine it doesn't happen a lot on a day to day basis. But I bet Tenet has some 'specialized' doctors for the occasion.
That is exactly what I was thinking while I was gradually understanding everything after watching this video. CinemaSins video made me think there were major plot holes and incontinuities in Nolan's writing.
The fact there's so many videos on TH-cam like this explaining the depth of it's brilliance is further proof this is one of the greatest films ever made.
Thank you for making this video. I think this is something that can help clarify to people who are struggling with this concept on reddit and any other online places discussing this topic.
It's great to see new and fresh *anything* about Tenet... I only just watched it yesterday, so on most comment sections I am waaaay to late for the party. Your vids that chart out the movements of key scenes are especially excellent. A sub for you and the creation crew... cheers.
This channel will help all the first time TENET movie goers in the future, so they don't have to go through the movie over & over again like we did. Great job Mate!
Me too! Although it bugs me how the decay is inconsistent. The Stalsk capsule has pushed the decay up to Sator's teenagehood. While the glass holes appear a few hours from then on.
@@osnovyanenko what broken glass are you talking about? are you talking about the capsule that sator finds withe papers and the capsules that the gold were sent back in?
@@osnovyanenko this video covers the Effects of Normal time things, chair, glass, wall,etc,.. being affected by inverted objects. Inverted objects themselves may/may not decay the same way. I kind think they don't. Like Sator's gold is inverted for decades, and the lab stuff who knows. I will do a video on actual inverted objects at some point. Specifically Sator's gold. Probably after the body damage video. Cheers.
I know how complicated it would be .... but it'd be SO great to see a couple full scope moments, say, the minute or so leading up to the freeport double interrogation scene..using your slice of time visualization to show who is present during each slice of time.
Seriously believe @Welby CoffeeSpill has understood entropy in the future and gone back in time to explain the whole thing to Nolan to make this film and then uploaded these videos to explain the phenomenon to the world. GREAT STUFF!
Thank you , since the release of the movie i was discussing with friend from when the holes where there so thank's to clear that ! you solve so many questions thank,s great
I have never noticed that the inverted car explosion is getting sucked back in. you can even see the rubble quickly turning around and reversing back to the car after the explosion. unbelievable detail
3:40 So from what I understand, I can think of it as a ball falling from a height. Normal entropy is the ball falls and converts potential energy into kinetic energy, and work is released into the environment, like an exothermic reaction (I know that word only applies to chemical reactions but hear me out.) Inverted entropy is a ball going upwards where the kinetic energy is converted into potential energy, where work is put INTO the ball, like an endothermic reaction. Because something has to put energy/work into an endothermic reaction, eventually you run out of energy to put in, and then the nature of entropy takes its course, making exothermic reactions once it’s “allowed” to do so. In other words, inverted entropy is endotropic, or in the currently used word, negentropic. So when entering the turnstile, you’re adding energy (radioactive energy, interestingly enough, and probably a subtle way to represent the idea I just explained) into yourself/objects to fight against exothermic “reactions” until that eventually runs out.
This is brilliant. The protagonist never actually travelled back in time. in forwards time he lost memories, but when inverted he felt like he gained them. So from his perspective he was seeing everything in reverse. If we can create a real turnstile, this could be an actual form of time travel. (That isn’t really time travel)
I feel like you can bonk someone on the head and maybe get that same result,..lol. That or this happens all the time when people get drunk and only remember what happened the next day! ;)
This is one of the most important and hardest to grasp concepts in this movie. Otherwise you would have to expect all objects interacting with inverted matter were somehow created with cracks and breaks them, like a wall with a bullet hole in it when it was first built, which quickly becomes nonsensical.
You are a legend! Thank you Welby, I really had that question i.e. how far back would the effect from an inverted cause go back in time and you helped distinguish what’s happening now and what would happen if the environment’s entropy was reversed
the move plays with how long things take. Sometimes hours, days. Even perhaps instantaneously! It's not clear. Someone on reddit offered that it has to do with it's mass, perhaps. More mass= more inverse Radiation involved = longer? Can't say.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill how would an object go from your original condition to the effect? I guess it’s still just confusing to me as to when exactly the effect is seen. If the effect of the cause isn’t always able to be seen in the past, how does it just all of the sudden appear?
@@chrisosterhus9362 well,..that is the Science Fiction part of the Sci-Fi, isn't it. :p Don't think of it as 'appearing'. The cause is coming 'from' the future so it already exists in this Block Universe. The break is always there, we just are catching up to it, second by second. And that manifests, visually, to us as a crack "appearing", seemingly by no cause, since we are approaching it temporally from the opposite direction of it's cause. cheers
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill hmm, so would you agree that, for example, the bullet holes in the glass during the Freeport fight scene would’ve always been able to be viewed, i.e there is no point at which the glass was intact, then broken, only a point at which it becomes repaired as the bullet passes through?
If that were the case, then how could it ever have been regularly manufactured and put up? Wouldn’t someone attempt to fix the damage before the cause occurs?
@@ducreat It’s normal for actors to behave in ways nonsensical out of context; filming is always a mental gymnastic. The issue is the movie is presented in a way that’s just as obtuse for the audience. I’ve watched it twice and googled many theories, and I still have zero idea what is happening to Kat’s injury, and how Protagonist has such trust that inverting will heal her when just 2 seconds ago he didn’t even know what a Pincer Maneuver was. There’s a whole sequence of explanation on why inversion will heal her that is straightup missing from this movie.
@@samwallaceart288 I believe the effect of the Inverted shot can’t be healed in Normal Time since it doesn’t propagate into the future, she has to be Inverted in order to be operated on by an Inverted surgeon
@@marcuskiller02 But inverting her should invert the wound also to still be opposite to her. At least, that’s how inversion works in every other IRL context.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill In Neil's perspective, bullet shot from Volkov's gun should go back to the weapon right? Then how can Neil be shot and dead anyway? Weird.
The entropic wind is inversed in one instance in the movie: the hole in the reverse TP's clothing caused by the Oslo stabbing! The cause is forward TP, e.g. the clothing should be damaged all the way into the future, and stay damaged - yet inversed TP notices the hole appearing before he arrives back at the Oslo Freeport! As if within the confines of the inversed environment of the ambulance, the entropic wind is inversed. E.g. entropic wind is generally forward, but can locally work backwards.
Excellent work... In a way this explains a lot questions I had with film yet the more intriguing it gets after the explanation...I'm confused if I am confused...
Do a video on the theory of how guns fire and engines combust in inversion. This always confused me. If hot is cold, how can there be a chemical reaction?
I believe this is the answer: the gun itself is inverted, along with the bullets in the chamber. The gun, from the guns perspective, is completely normal. It sparks, shoots, and warms up. However, from everyone else's perspective the gun is is warm, it cools down to the spark while catching the bullet, and then is back to being loaded. When that woman in the movie is briefing the protagonist and telling him about how friction is opposite and hot is cold, she was strictly talking about how a forwards environment feels and reacts to an inverted object. This means if you threw the inverted gun in a fire it would ice over and freeze because the fire itself isn't inverted, but if you shot the gun it would heat up as normal since every part of the gun and bullets were inverted. This makes me wonder, though, what if you shot inverted bullets from a normal gun, or normal bullets from an inverted gun. That's a question I'd leave to Welby CoffeSpill.
I'm kind of looking forward to the next video, I argue that TP bleeding before the stab wound doesn't make sense in general, especially if Neil's death makes sense. In order for the stab to make sense to me, his body wouldn't be experiencing entropy the same way his perception is.
Let's imagine, if the bullet didn't go through Neil's head and stayed in his skull, then we have a zombie Neil running to the door. The bullet is not inverted, so it would stay with the alive Neil, not the dead Neil. [edit] OR.........the bullet wound didn't kill Neil, and he's just badly hurt...........
You do an amazing job with these animations. There's one style I'd love to see though: Restrict the movie's physical space into 2 dimensions and use the third for time.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill sorry for taking so long. I don't have a particular example for this. I meant mapping the movie world to a 2D plane and moving that plane steadily through the third dimension. You then trace the participants and they create a line through x/y world coordinates and z time coordinates. Meetings will get very clear thanks to physical closeness and even direction of the participants. I get a bit confused by the colors sometimes. Ofc this is hard because yo have to find a good mapping of the 3D movie world into a 2D world, but if done right it could be awesome!
@@minecrafter0505 its funny you bring up lines, because the video i am working on, inverted objects, I am tracing "world lines" as they travel through time to visualize how things get from A to B. If I ever release it you can check it out, see if it's close to what you describe. Cheers.
Oh! That entropy decay thing is something I missed from the movie. Thanks! Though they do say that certan things are presumably passed from future back to the past in secure comtaners (plutonium contaners) if their security is ensured.
YEs, those are inverted Objects. This video just covers the effects on normal things by Inverted Objects. The Effects are what will be affected by the 'wind'.
Very good visualization about the effects of inverted bullets! But that example with the effect of an inverted bullet on a normal wall emphasizes another question that's been bothering me ever since: WHY (or HOW) did Neil die in the end? If we take the same analogy with a normal wall being shot by an inverted gun, we have following sequence of events (in our normal time): 1) a hole starts to appear spontaneously in the wall moments before the actual event, 2) a wide open hole is finally formed in the wall as a CONSEQUENCE of it being shot by an inverted bullet 3) an inverted bullet UN-SHOTS the wall, traveling backwards into the gun and CLOSING the hole in the wall 4) wall continues to be intact. Now, let's apply the same analogy to inverted Neil being shot with an un-inverted (i.e. normal) bullet and looking to events from his perspective: 1) a wound starts to appear spontaneously in Neil's head (maybe two wounds - an entrance and an exit one - it really doesn't matter) moments before the actual event, 2) Neil's head is acting as being shot, with massive bleeding as a CONSEQUENCE of a (for Neil) future event of being shot by a normal bullet 3) normal bullet UN-WOUNDS Neil's head, after being shot by Volkov, traveling backwards into the gun and HEALING Neil's head 4) Neil continues to be well and alive. Thus, other than the fact that his brains should be all over him moments BEFORE the shot (from his perspective), he should be actually ALIVE & kicking AFTER the shot (from his perspective). So, what did Neil die from in the end?
There might be a difference with the glass around the machine - if it’s part of the machine then it itself might be an object flowing into the past, since the machine itself came from the future. But this explanation of the entropic wind for objects otherwise is super helpful.
It's certainly possible. I am not quite sure the machine came from the future though. Sator may of built it with instructions from the future. I dont believe the movie says either way.
2:35 I think it’s an error of the film the hole that is going “forever into the past”. The bullet might be inverted, but the hole it makes?... the properties of the bullet are transmitted into the wall? I doubt it 3:25 But this an interesting way of explaining the paradox of the hole going forever into the past. Supported by dialogue in the film. Very good. This was the only thing I couldn’t really understand and it felt like if the holes were in there just to have a cool visual effect... though I believe that’s is still the main reason but this explanation is good enough for me.
Honestly, I believe that there is a team specifically sent in to set up things before hand/cleanup things. Even with inverse entropy, things can't defy the laws of physics and just pop into existence, otherwise it makes no sense that they would be able to send items so far into the past, without something being affected/offset by it's sudden presence. i.e. gold, the bullet casings for the bullets coming out of the wall, the algorithm I absolutely hate the stab wound because the way it is presented doesn't make any sense 1. His body would need to be going the opposite entropy from his perception. 2. Kat would experience a similar thing due to the circumstances being the same (injured by an object in reverse entropy from them)
Yes, whenever inverted objects or people interact with forward objects, they influence them of course. Simplest example: inverted person throws an uninverted ball from the top of the building. From forward perspective, the ball magically starts moving and eventually flies to the top of the building even if its not inverted.
Same with holes: inverted person makes a hole and leaves. From forward perspective, the hole appears (before anyone sees it already there), inverted person comes backwards and makes a hole-making movement and the hole disappears.
The main idea of the movie: everything is determined, or in other words it’s called fate. If you said, what if I took that ball away and put it inside a container and locked it, would it fly to the top of the building anyway? Answer: inverted person threw the ball because you didn’t do it. Meaning, you wouldn’t have that thought about putting it inside a container at that moment. What happened has happened.
This dominant entropic wind concept helps to fill the gaps but it reveals plot holes with the artefacts from the coming war still existing for the scientist, Laura and the fact that the concrete slab was found with bullets in it. There’s no way they would’ve known which concrete slab to pick if the bullet hole only appears days or hours before the protagonist reverse shoot the concrete.
This video mainly looks at the 'effects' on normal objects by inverted forces. I have another video on actual Inverted Objects( like the lab junk and gold) th-cam.com/video/FVdBLjNR5TU/w-d-xo.html This may help some of those gaps.
I saw it twice in the theatres and two more times at home on Blu-Ray, but never until now did I accept how inverted effects don't propagate into the past forever.
Man I simply can't wrap my head around this one. This video is the biggest hurdle to me understanding the rest of this movie and Niels death. I've watched every other video up until this point and I understood what was going on. But for some reason this one is racking my brain and I can't seem to perceive it
I'm still confused about. how we perceive the entropy moving in our time. The effect a not inverted gun has on an inverted window. How inverted people perceive The Winds of entropy
Imagine building a sand castle on the beach. The sand isn't meant to be in that shape Naturally. Then the dominant waves roll in and smooth it all down back to the way it was. Now observe that backwards. . The sands start out smooth. The wave recededs. A sand castle "appears". Then gets unbuilt by you. And its smooth again.
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It takes a lot of dedication and talent to not only understand this but also explain it in a way that makes sense. Bravo!
Yeah. This guy is actually amazing.
Imagine the efforts of the director.
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@@jennychan5314 Only that it doesn't really make sense. It's fiction, doesn't work like that. I'm fine with this but I don't like the attempt of explaining something that can't be explained.
So let's take the gun shooting an inverted bullet into a non-inverted wall.
So from what we see in the scene, the wall starts with a hole, a bullet inside and some pieces of wall all around the room. Then the inverted bullet flies out, the stone pieces fly into the wall. From the other direction, what we see is the bullet shooting the stone pieces out, that all kinda makes sense.
Now the logic hole that they try to fill here is that the stone pieces somehow must have been there so that they fly into the wall. And they do that by flying out of the wall, into the room before they fly back into the wall and "push out" the bullet.
So, if you watch in the right moment, you just see a wall randomly shooting out pieces of stone. Or are they flying very slowly?
This is along the lines of explaining Diavolo's stand
I have never known a film that has generated so much interest in explaining whats going on in the film. Truly amazing.
A movie with shit dialogue and a horrible editing, no wonder no one understood
@@Hejeval I finally understood it, after watching about 50 hours worth of explanations.
The Prequel from 2069 is better!
@@Hejeval The dialogue wasn't always great, but the editing wasn't bad at all. I only noticed something off during Neil's death, but everywhere else was fine.
Can we take a moment and appreciate that this guy doesn't even monetize his channel
Because I do it.
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@@TheLio666the patience🙌
He doesn't?
One of the good examples of "wind" effect is when inverted TP was in the container on his way to the airport and suddenly started feeling his arm hurts.
Little by little, it started to hurt more.
By the time he had to leave the container, Neil told him "you're bleeding".
Moments later, we see that normal TP "un-stabs" him in his arm.
Ahh.. his body's entropy?
Sounds like how some people with certain skin conditions can have their skin become increasingly sore and then split like a papercut.
Me: What the hell happened here...?
Welby: It hasn't been explained yet.
Gotcha BRO 😂😂😂😂
Lol
*Tenet music starts playing*
We get it Nolan, the movie’s really smart. You don’t need to make a TH-cam channel just to humiliate our intelligence.
I'm sorry to disagree.
No wonder there are a ton of dropouts. Schools just humiliate our intelligence by teaching us.
@@unaeki None of what you just said is a disagreement to what I said. You simply used the term "lesson" instead of "teaching". But not every subject is about speaking, such as math & gym.
He hasn’t created it yet.
@@mikvance At the same time, he already destroyed it.
Thank you Nolan's secret channel, your explanation saved my life. I spent many sleepless nights thinking about it.
oh there is more to explore! :)
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill So if you're Nolan then can you read this backwards?
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@@WelbyCoffeeSpill So you don't deny this is Nolan's secret channel???
@@robbert6393 let me check my bank account. ok,..Nope. I am definitely not Nolan. :)
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill knowledge divided, my friend. Ignorance is our ammunition, we got you covered, Nolan. Stay low XD
I’ve been obsessed with Temporal inversion in this movie , it’s amazing that I have content to watch that explorers this concept in-depth . I’m sure this is very time consuming but I really enjoy every video you have created on this subject and appreciate the dedication .
I assume you enjoyed the film then?
@@Naz-xk6hq shit was wild
Robert G ain't that the truth. Especially that Freeport fight. When I first saw and then again in the inverted perspective I lost my fucking mind. Any particular scene you enjoyed?
@@Naz-xk6hq that’s my favorite scene , never scene anything like it . Nolan is always raising the creative bar with his films . Palindromic combat choreography blows my mind .
Robert G this video sort of helps with the perspective of the scene: th-cam.com/video/mhHAiV-7AdA/w-d-xo.html
Day 45:
I am deep now, deep in my search for knowledge and understanding.
I still remember that day i first jumped on youtube and the mighty algorithm suggested a video explaining tenet.
Only to leave me lost, and more confused then ever. The days fly by so fast, but i am now getting closer.
Maybe i will one day understand TENET and Arrival, but I'm not quite there yet.
Thanks for making these, helps a lot!
It makes you realize how TP Neil is forever stuck in a potential time loop of having to sacrifice himself with an inverted round to the head. And just sit there decaying until the moment happens. Use of entropy to intertwine the timelines to form a new forward future is why this film is so amazing. You are taught that you can’t change your past, but Nolan took a step further and said your past will always dictate your future...literally.
But did the shooter catch the round or did he shoot it? I don't think the shooter or his round was inverted, Neil was. Just as how when Sator was inverted and reversed shot Kat that it carried into her future because she wasn't inverted.
@@RealLaone remember forward Neil inverted himself to “lock” the door so he can unlock it for the forward protagonist. He literally went to war with the inverted team so he can go underground and do that before the protagonist got to the door. The end when you see Neil walking away, he only went back to base and suck back at the meeting. So he inverted himself again to prepare for his demise. What you see is a Neil almost a forever amount of time who performed the action already, was shot with a forward round as an invert, and then had the round removed from his body once the forward scene occurred. By far one of the most convoluted scenes
Kat's wound is the one that really bends my understanding of the rules within Tenet, looking forward to that video. Props to you and everyone helping to put these together, love the dedication!
That one is a little more intuition-logic explainable. First off, apparently an inverted bullet on a regular person, apart from the regular damage from a gunshot wound, also causes some sort of radiation damage. So the point for Neil and TP to have to take Kat through the Freeeport turnstile is to stop the radiation from spreading, not much about the normal gunshot wound damage.
@@osmanmelendez9226 exactly this. She wasn't shot in the heart like say, the dude at the opera. But due to the inverted radiation present in inverted bullets, it turned it into a mortal wound that would kill her moving forward.
Inverting her to cancel out the inverted radiation turns it into a normal, heal-able wound.
They don't go too much into inverted radiation in the movie, other than it's devastating.
I will explore body damage specifically in the next video. Cheers!
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Without the radiation damage on top, and according to this video, couldn’t a gunshot wound from an Inverted bullet only be operated on in Inverted Time by someone Inverted, since its effect would propagate into the past?
@@marcuskiller02 That sounds right to me,..lol. This whole inversion tech is not some common thing, so I imagine it doesn't happen a lot on a day to day basis. But I bet Tenet has some 'specialized' doctors for the occasion.
Thanks to your videos, Tenet is looking more and more complete, without the plot holes , masterpiece of a film
Thank you, I try my best.
*This makes sense. It should help remove around 80% of sins in the CinemaSins' Tenet video*
There's a reason why I don't watch CinemaSins (anymore). CinemaWins is much better!
That is exactly what I was thinking while I was gradually understanding everything after watching this video. CinemaSins video made me think there were major plot holes and incontinuities in Nolan's writing.
@Joosy Jay You're very welcome! I'd recommend to begin with the videos about Hot Fuzz. One of my favorites.
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@@1995TheDude Yeah, it's better to watch positivity.
I stopped cinemasins many years ago, they're sad parasites
The fact there's so many videos on TH-cam like this explaining the depth of it's brilliance is further proof this is one of the greatest films ever made.
You took what seemed like plot holes in an otherwise great film and fixed them for me like I was a 10-year old. Great work!
Thank you for making this video. I think this is something that can help clarify to people who are struggling with this concept on reddit and any other online places discussing this topic.
It's great to see new and fresh *anything* about Tenet... I only just watched it yesterday, so on most comment sections I am waaaay to late for the party.
Your vids that chart out the movements of key scenes are especially excellent.
A sub for you and the creation crew...
cheers.
It was always my question about when the effect comes to appear. Brilliant answer 👏👏
OMG!! I "understood" the concepts after multiple viewings, but your videos are PERFECTION!! Thank you so much for taking the time to create these. 😍😍😍
These are dope. I haven't been this interested in the details of a movie in a long time. Tenet is a sleeper
This channel will help all the first time TENET movie goers in the future, so they don't have to go through the movie over & over again like we did.
Great job Mate!
Big thanks for this channel. I love learning the mechanics behind science fiction films and you explain them really well!
Thank you for explaining and detailing all these concepts I didn't understand even after a second watch.
I've seen other videos and have "gotten" it, but this video has provided clarity to the movie and every TH-cam video I've watched about the movie.
working on another one right now! On body damage, Thanks!
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Awesome video ! Can't wait for the next one. How to shoot an inverted person is eluding me
Brilliant video again Welby; you have unlocked the mechanics of the opera chair bullet hole for me (I just couldn't get my head around it). Thank you!
I believe you already know how valuable these tenet videos you made are, thank you!!!
Thank you for explaining the “wind” of time!
This is unbelievably awesome. Like, I'm enjoying these videos more than I did the actual movie!
Thank you once again for explaining more than the scenes but rather the inverted universe itself!
Me and my friend were recently discussing about this topic. Thanks for this nice explanation
this was fantastic! the concept of entropy swimming upstream and actually *decaying* is the missing click i needed.
Me too! Although it bugs me how the decay is inconsistent. The Stalsk capsule has pushed the decay up to Sator's teenagehood. While the glass holes appear a few hours from then on.
@@osnovyanenko what decay of the Stalks capsule? it was just an inverted object.
@@CarlosMats but isn’t broken glass an inverted object too?
@@osnovyanenko what broken glass are you talking about? are you talking about the capsule that sator finds withe papers and the capsules that the gold were sent back in?
@@osnovyanenko this video covers the Effects of Normal time things, chair, glass, wall,etc,.. being affected by inverted objects.
Inverted objects themselves may/may not decay the same way. I kind think they don't. Like Sator's gold is inverted for decades, and the lab stuff who knows.
I will do a video on actual inverted objects at some point. Specifically Sator's gold.
Probably after the body damage video.
Cheers.
The Entropic Wind idea is my absolute favourite theory for Tenet by far! Thank you for making such a wonderful video explaining it!!
i had to draw in a paper in order to understand this, thanks guy, good job
Entropic Wind! that is just what was missing from the one electron universe theory! Now I can finally rest in piece.
Ha. Well. This IS a sci fi movie. Not sure the wind stuff is something observed in reality :)
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill maybe it can be observed in theory? here is the one electron universe theory th-cam.com/video/9dqtW9MslFk/w-d-xo.html
I know how complicated it would be .... but it'd be SO great to see a couple full scope moments, say, the minute or so leading up to the freeport double interrogation scene..using your slice of time visualization to show who is present during each slice of time.
You guys just earned yourself a subscriber
Wow amazing job! You explained it so clearly and I finally understand it! Thank you!
Never stop making these videos
This is the most complicated channel in TH-cam
This is the first video on Tenet that I understood well 👍
Your best yet, Welby. Keep 'em coming! This was excellent.
Christopher Nolan made his movies for people like you. I appreciate both of you. here's a sub
I make my movies for IMAX.
Seriously believe @Welby CoffeeSpill has understood entropy in the future and gone back in time to explain the whole thing to Nolan to make this film and then uploaded these videos to explain the phenomenon to the world. GREAT STUFF!
Thank you , since the release of the movie i was discussing with friend from when the holes where there so thank's to clear that ! you solve so many questions thank,s great
Great explanations and video. Looking forward to that next one
I have never noticed that the inverted car explosion is getting sucked back in. you can even see the rubble quickly turning around and reversing back to the car after the explosion. unbelievable detail
Some body give this youtuber an oscar
The facts that we’ve recentlty discovered a parallel universe where time runs backwards makes this movie more amazing
what? link please. I like watching shows about that stuff.
I don't regret subscribing, you're a genius
Very well constructed vid. Kudos
The nxt video as promised is where we'll find all the plot holes in Tenet
So bring it on...
Oh, it's coming.
Ah thank you. That entropic decay was the missing piece for all the questions I had left
I love it! I already love the film and you make it even more likeable and appreciated :)
This was buggin me the whole time! thanks for this video
Intuition is an awareness that transmutes our mundane perception of times flow, into a unifying conscious and spiritually evolving cosmic singularity!
This is exactly what I needed! This makes a lot of sense!
Spectacular analysis. Well done.
Great job with the explanation.
I wish I could go back in time and not watch the movie, seriously. It has made me so obsessed with it .... argh
3:40 So from what I understand, I can think of it as a ball falling from a height. Normal entropy is the ball falls and converts potential energy into kinetic energy, and work is released into the environment, like an exothermic reaction (I know that word only applies to chemical reactions but hear me out.) Inverted entropy is a ball going upwards where the kinetic energy is converted into potential energy, where work is put INTO the ball, like an endothermic reaction.
Because something has to put energy/work into an endothermic reaction, eventually you run out of energy to put in, and then the nature of entropy takes its course, making exothermic reactions once it’s “allowed” to do so. In other words, inverted entropy is endotropic, or in the currently used word, negentropic.
So when entering the turnstile, you’re adding energy (radioactive energy, interestingly enough, and probably a subtle way to represent the idea I just explained) into yourself/objects to fight against exothermic “reactions” until that eventually runs out.
Ohhhh I finally understand..... This makes so much sense now.... I can finally die happy.
Awesome that you keep making these!
Can't wait for your other videos
thank you, i understand this modern masterpiece a little more.
I think your videos are awesome. Please keep going!
This make so much sense it’s insane
This is brilliant.
The protagonist never actually travelled back in time. in forwards time he lost memories, but when inverted he felt like he gained them. So from his perspective he was seeing everything in reverse.
If we can create a real turnstile, this could be an actual form of time travel. (That isn’t really time travel)
I feel like you can bonk someone on the head and maybe get that same result,..lol.
That or this happens all the time when people get drunk and only remember what happened the next day! ;)
Makes total sense. Can't wait for the next video to explain neil's death
That was an amazing explanation 👍
Perfection. Absolute.
This is one of the most important and hardest to grasp concepts in this movie. Otherwise you would have to expect all objects interacting with inverted matter were somehow created with cracks and breaks them, like a wall with a bullet hole in it when it was first built, which quickly becomes nonsensical.
You are a legend! Thank you Welby, I really had that question i.e. how far back would the effect from an inverted cause go back in time and you helped distinguish what’s happening now and what would happen if the environment’s entropy was reversed
the move plays with how long things take. Sometimes hours, days. Even perhaps instantaneously! It's not clear.
Someone on reddit offered that it has to do with it's mass, perhaps. More mass= more inverse Radiation involved = longer? Can't say.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill how would an object go from your original condition to the effect? I guess it’s still just confusing to me as to when exactly the effect is seen. If the effect of the cause isn’t always able to be seen in the past, how does it just all of the sudden appear?
@@chrisosterhus9362 well,..that is the Science Fiction part of the Sci-Fi, isn't it. :p
Don't think of it as 'appearing'. The cause is coming 'from' the future so it already exists in this Block Universe.
The break is always there, we just are catching up to it, second by second.
And that manifests, visually, to us as a crack "appearing", seemingly by no cause, since we are approaching it temporally from the opposite direction of it's cause.
cheers
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill hmm, so would you agree that, for example, the bullet holes in the glass during the Freeport fight scene would’ve always been able to be viewed, i.e there is no point at which the glass was intact, then broken, only a point at which it becomes repaired as the bullet passes through?
If that were the case, then how could it ever have been regularly manufactured and put up? Wouldn’t someone attempt to fix the damage before the cause occurs?
These videos are incredible! Thanks
This is a good take on it. _If only they explained it like this in the actual film_
Exactly. I doubt all the actors understand what they are doing.
@@ducreat It’s normal for actors to behave in ways nonsensical out of context; filming is always a mental gymnastic. The issue is the movie is presented in a way that’s just as obtuse for the audience. I’ve watched it twice and googled many theories, and I still have zero idea what is happening to Kat’s injury, and how Protagonist has such trust that inverting will heal her when just 2 seconds ago he didn’t even know what a Pincer Maneuver was. There’s a whole sequence of explanation on why inversion will heal her that is straightup missing from this movie.
@@samwallaceart288 I believe the effect of the Inverted shot can’t be healed in Normal Time since it doesn’t propagate into the future, she has to be Inverted in order to be operated on by an Inverted surgeon
@@marcuskiller02 But inverting her should invert the wound also to still be opposite to her. At least, that’s how inversion works in every other IRL context.
Great explanation, good luck.
Miracle Mile soundtrack! One of my all time faves!
i appreciate the color coding in the word “effects.” funny enough, the color blocking only made sense to me after fully watching the video ha
You should definitely do a really long video about Neil's death because it doesn't really make sense to me.
Love your videos man :)
next video is about Body damage by inverted objects so Neil will be there. I am kinda scared,..lol.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill In Neil's perspective, bullet shot from Volkov's gun should go back to the weapon right? Then how can Neil be shot and dead anyway? Weird.
The entropic wind is inversed in one instance in the movie: the hole in the reverse TP's clothing caused by the Oslo stabbing! The cause is forward TP, e.g. the clothing should be damaged all the way into the future, and stay damaged - yet inversed TP notices the hole appearing before he arrives back at the Oslo Freeport! As if within the confines of the inversed environment of the ambulance, the entropic wind is inversed. E.g. entropic wind is generally forward, but can locally work backwards.
Excellent work... In a way this explains a lot questions I had with film yet the more intriguing it gets after the explanation...I'm confused if I am confused...
Do a video on the theory of how guns fire and engines combust in inversion. This always confused me. If hot is cold, how can there be a chemical reaction?
I believe this is the answer: the gun itself is inverted, along with the bullets in the chamber. The gun, from the guns perspective, is completely normal. It sparks, shoots, and warms up. However, from everyone else's perspective the gun is is warm, it cools down to the spark while catching the bullet, and then is back to being loaded. When that woman in the movie is briefing the protagonist and telling him about how friction is opposite and hot is cold, she was strictly talking about how a forwards environment feels and reacts to an inverted object. This means if you threw the inverted gun in a fire it would ice over and freeze because the fire itself isn't inverted, but if you shot the gun it would heat up as normal since every part of the gun and bullets were inverted. This makes me wonder, though, what if you shot inverted bullets from a normal gun, or normal bullets from an inverted gun. That's a question I'd leave to Welby CoffeSpill.
I'm kind of looking forward to the next video, I argue that TP bleeding before the stab wound doesn't make sense in general, especially if Neil's death makes sense.
In order for the stab to make sense to me, his body wouldn't be experiencing entropy the same way his perception is.
Let's imagine, if the bullet didn't go through Neil's head and stayed in his skull, then we have a zombie Neil running to the door. The bullet is not inverted, so it would stay with the alive Neil, not the dead Neil. [edit] OR.........the bullet wound didn't kill Neil, and he's just badly hurt...........
You do an amazing job with these animations. There's one style I'd love to see though: Restrict the movie's physical space into 2 dimensions and use the third for time.
I thought these slice things are kind of doing that already.
Can you link an example of what you mean? I've seen a few on TH-cam.
Thanks!
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill sorry for taking so long. I don't have a particular example for this. I meant mapping the movie world to a 2D plane and moving that plane steadily through the third dimension. You then trace the participants and they create a line through x/y world coordinates and z time coordinates.
Meetings will get very clear thanks to physical closeness and even direction of the participants. I get a bit confused by the colors sometimes.
Ofc this is hard because yo have to find a good mapping of the 3D movie world into a 2D world, but if done right it could be awesome!
@@minecrafter0505 its funny you bring up lines, because the video i am working on, inverted objects, I am tracing "world lines" as they travel through time to visualize how things get from A to B.
If I ever release it you can check it out, see if it's close to what you describe.
Cheers.
You sir are a genius
Thank you! I finally understand the concept.
thanks for this. this was the only thing i still didnt get from the movie.
Oh! That entropy decay thing is something I missed from the movie. Thanks!
Though they do say that certan things are presumably passed from future back to the past in secure comtaners (plutonium contaners) if their security is ensured.
YEs, those are inverted Objects.
This video just covers the effects on normal things by Inverted Objects.
The Effects are what will be affected by the 'wind'.
Very good visualization about the effects of inverted bullets! But that example with the effect of an inverted bullet on a normal wall emphasizes another question that's been bothering me ever since: WHY (or HOW) did Neil die in the end? If we take the same analogy with a normal wall being shot by an inverted gun, we have following sequence of events (in our normal time): 1) a hole starts to appear spontaneously in the wall moments before the actual event, 2) a wide open hole is finally formed in the wall as a CONSEQUENCE of it being shot by an inverted bullet 3) an inverted bullet UN-SHOTS the wall, traveling backwards into the gun and CLOSING the hole in the wall 4) wall continues to be intact.
Now, let's apply the same analogy to inverted Neil being shot with an un-inverted (i.e. normal) bullet and looking to events from his perspective: 1) a wound starts to appear spontaneously in Neil's head (maybe two wounds - an entrance and an exit one - it really doesn't matter) moments before the actual event, 2) Neil's head is acting as being shot, with massive bleeding as a CONSEQUENCE of a (for Neil) future event of being shot by a normal bullet 3) normal bullet UN-WOUNDS Neil's head, after being shot by Volkov, traveling backwards into the gun and HEALING Neil's head 4) Neil continues to be well and alive.
Thus, other than the fact that his brains should be all over him moments BEFORE the shot (from his perspective), he should be actually ALIVE & kicking AFTER the shot (from his perspective).
So, what did Neil die from in the end?
I have a video specifically on Death and Wounds coming up soon! It covers your question too. :)
There might be a difference with the glass around the machine - if it’s part of the machine then it itself might be an object flowing into the past, since the machine itself came from the future. But this explanation of the entropic wind for objects otherwise is super helpful.
It's certainly possible.
I am not quite sure the machine came from the future though. Sator may of built it with instructions from the future.
I dont believe the movie says either way.
As more videos come, I get more convinced this is Christopher Nolan's channel
That Looper clip got me. 😂
Lol
You are good at this..
Keep it up
2:35
I think it’s an error of the film the hole that is going “forever into the past”. The bullet might be inverted, but the hole it makes?... the properties of the bullet are transmitted into the wall? I doubt it
3:25
But this an interesting way of explaining the paradox of the hole going forever into the past. Supported by dialogue in the film. Very good.
This was the only thing I couldn’t really understand and it felt like if the holes were in there just to have a cool visual effect... though I believe that’s is still the main reason but this explanation is good enough for me.
Honestly, I believe that there is a team specifically sent in to set up things before hand/cleanup things.
Even with inverse entropy, things can't defy the laws of physics and just pop into existence, otherwise it makes no sense that they would be able to send items so far into the past, without something being affected/offset by it's sudden presence. i.e. gold, the bullet casings for the bullets coming out of the wall, the algorithm
I absolutely hate the stab wound because the way it is presented doesn't make any sense
1. His body would need to be going the opposite entropy from his perception.
2. Kat would experience a similar thing due to the circumstances being the same (injured by an object in reverse entropy from them)
Yes, whenever inverted objects or people interact with forward objects, they influence them of course. Simplest example: inverted person throws an uninverted ball from the top of the building. From forward perspective, the ball magically starts moving and eventually flies to the top of the building even if its not inverted.
Same with holes: inverted person makes a hole and leaves. From forward perspective, the hole appears (before anyone sees it already there), inverted person comes backwards and makes a hole-making movement and the hole disappears.
The main idea of the movie: everything is determined, or in other words it’s called fate. If you said, what if I took that ball away and put it inside a container and locked it, would it fly to the top of the building anyway? Answer: inverted person threw the ball because you didn’t do it. Meaning, you wouldn’t have that thought about putting it inside a container at that moment. What happened has happened.
But of course, it’s just a movie though. There are paradoxes indeed
Thank you very much for this explanation!
This is fucking sick. I love it. Perfect explanation.
Great video , more close to fully undertand the movie
Nolan wud be really happy if he comes to know abt your channel..)
Tenet, the tabletop role-playing game
This dominant entropic wind concept helps to fill the gaps but it reveals plot holes with the artefacts from the coming war still existing for the scientist, Laura and the fact that the concrete slab was found with bullets in it. There’s no way they would’ve known which concrete slab to pick if the bullet hole only appears days or hours before the protagonist reverse shoot the concrete.
This video mainly looks at the 'effects' on normal objects by inverted forces. I have another video on actual Inverted Objects( like the lab junk and gold) th-cam.com/video/FVdBLjNR5TU/w-d-xo.html
This may help some of those gaps.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill thank you for some reason I couldn’t see that one scrolling through the playlist. Must have been erased by entropic winds ;)
I saw it twice in the theatres and two more times at home on Blu-Ray, but never until now did I accept how inverted effects don't propagate into the past forever.
Man I simply can't wrap my head around this one. This video is the biggest hurdle to me understanding the rest of this movie and Niels death. I've watched every other video up until this point and I understood what was going on. But for some reason this one is racking my brain and I can't seem to perceive it
I'm still confused about.
how we perceive the entropy moving in our time.
The effect a not inverted gun has on an inverted window.
How inverted people perceive The Winds of entropy
Imagine building a sand castle on the beach.
The sand isn't meant to be in that shape Naturally.
Then the dominant waves roll in and smooth it all down back to the way it was.
Now observe that backwards.
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The sands start out smooth.
The wave recededs.
A sand castle "appears".
Then gets unbuilt by you.
And its smooth again.
Thanks so much for your videos. I think they'll be enjoyed by and benefit people for years down the road...to put it linearly. ;)