Why is Trunks So Strong in Dragon Ball Super?
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- How Strong is Future Trunks in Dragon Ball Super? How was he able to keep up during the Trunks vs. Zamasu fight and the Trunks vs. Black fight? On this video I analyze the data that we have to explain things as best I can!
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Trunks like all saiyans are simply as powerful as they need to be depending on what the plot calls for.
That's basically everyone...
Indeed. Which is ridiculous considering how fast Vegeta has defeated in that fight scene.
As simple as that, I wish people stop trying to justify everything in DBS
vegeta was beaten so fast because he didn't know about blacks ki sword attack
TheoOJamaloO1 Bullshit. Trunks should be insta killed since he is only SSJ2
Two words...Zenkai Boost. He took a Zenkai Boost from Black Goku for who was beating his ass for who knows HOW LONG. That's how you explain his strength
yeah people seem to forget that saijin gets stronger the more they get their asses beat in combat.
Then how do you explain a light fisted ssjB Vegeta wooping Trunks ass only a few days before fighting Black? That ONE training session made Trunks even more powerful than his father or Goku?? I'm not buying that. Trunks can fight Zamasu on fairly equal footing, but base form black goku beat ssjB Vegeta, there's no way in hell SsjR Black Goku wouldn't obliterate Trunks like Buu against Mr.Satan.
They completely forgot about zenkai boost, vegeta should now be far stronger than black, and even Beerus.
People including the writers. I'd agree with him if it weren't for the fact that the concept of the Saiyan Zenkai boost was dumped out the window right after the Cell saga.
+YandereHunter Zenkai boosts get weaker the more powerful the saiyans get so it's pretty much useless at the power level they're at since it was only useful in the Namek saga when vegeta was using it against Frieza, and that was when his power was in the thousands. They've surpassed that a long time ago
questions: why is future trunks so damn strong
Answer: he's a bad ass no explanation needed
Fax
rage is like steroids for saiyans and trunks was full of it
honestly a good explanation. Trunks just took steroids.
The almighty Yamcha time traveled and decided to train Trunks, that's why DUH
Shut. The fuck. Up.
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Nah, it was super sayan God harambe the one who trained trunks.
Yeah we all know that Chiaotzu trained him, not Yamcha. This comment is stupid.
my theory is he kept getting his ass kicked by goku black in his timeline and he kept getting a zenkai boost
pretty much. goku black has confirmed the zenkai boost still exist
Why would it not exist tho?
mine he got his potential unlocked??
Yeah, I agree
Pretty much like the zenkais they got in the Freaza saga OP as hell
Trunks is the man!!! He's been my favorite ever since he cut down freiza.
Trunks is pussy
same
you know whats funny? Everyone busts their brains to try and make sense of DB and probably think there is some deep thought out reason for everything when most likely Toriyama just does whatever the hell he feels like...there just isnt that much effort put into overall character development and consistency is lacking. Hell, Toriyama even admitted once, he left off the tail on goten and trunks because he 'Just forgot'
+KoolKaiser yep
KoolKaiser yeah man, but funny thing is: it doesn't matter.
unlike naruto, the simplicity of dragon ball and it's sense of humor is a charm not a downside as it would be in other animes.
but I wish they could explain one or two.
Geekdom101 didn't you say that was rumor at one point ?
I always see these vids being created for that very point: To theorize and try to figure out what scaling there is just to make sense of it. I mean the introductions of power levels, to me, is more of a foundation for vids like this. Sure, Toriyama likely doesnt put much thought into it but it's not impossible for us to draw conclusions based on feats and likelihoods, ya know?
@@ciromauriciodecristo1517 DBS sense of humor is the worst thing to ever happen in the history of anime, specially during The Battle of Gods saga.
His base form is already ss blue
LOL
Wow lol
Im dying on the floor
perfected ssj2 at the most
Technically it should ssp, super saiyin purple! 😂
trunks is the most intelligent sayiajin that i have ever known. he is the only survivor in the future universe, he trained on his own in the time room because vegeta left him, he killed frieza and cold before they transform and destroy the earth, he killed dabura and babidi before they bring back buu to life, he turned ssj2 on his own, he was able to hit ssjb vegeta, he survived at the battle against black and zamasu more than vegeta. trunks is just intelligent like his mother, motivated like his father, that is how i explain his current strenght, but i feel like he has the god ki, because he survived a shot from ssjr black... and don't forget when beerus slapped bulma, vegeta surpassed goku by ssj2 and was able to hit beerus more than one time, wheiter goku in ssj3 couldn't even endure 3 minutes.
True
A couple of things: Trunks survived the future thanks in great part to Gohan, he didn't hit ssjb Vegeta, he survived the fight against Black and Zamasu because Goku was mostly taking care of Black. But I do believe that his performance during this last fight was thanks to one of those rage moments like Vegeta has from time to time. Also I have to admit that I'm not that big of a Trunks fan anymore, he let his mother die and left his girl for dead. No true son of Vegeta would let that happen.
i agree when you said that it was thank to gohan he survived yeah, but he was able to hit ssjb vegeta in "base form" don't forget that, and in the fight against black and zamasu, it's trunks who "helped" goku because at the begining of the fight goku was fighting alone both of black and zamasu, and he did a better job than vegeta only with ssj2, remember when zamasu catched both of goku and trunks so that black can hit them with his shot, it's normal that ssjb goku surviv this attack but you see that ssj2 trunks survived too instead of dying, but this strenght i can explain it by the same rage vegeta has got. i agree that he stupidly let his mother die, he just watched her dying without reacting, but when mai died he reacted to that, but do you think that if he saved his mother he would be as motivated as he was against zamasu and black?
I don't think frieza could transform as a cyborg
He didn't save his mother because that would be like shitting on her grave... She sacrificed herself so he could go back in time to get help to beat an enemy that it had been proven beyond doubt that Trunks could not beat. For him to then throw his life away after that would be stupid, something even Vegeta isn't stupid enough to do because of his pride.
Trunks DIDN'T "hit" SsB Vegeta, he sucker punched him, that's not the same as hitting him in an actual fight.
I can agree that I think he has some potential to tap in to God ki, I think that's what his Rage form was, he was forcefully tapping into the God ki he obtained, probably from training with the Kais, instead of tapping into it properly like Goku and Vegeta can do, but him having God ki has no bearing on him surviving the attacks. Those attacks are just piercing the abdomen, people in DB have long been surviving attacks like that before God ki was even a thing.
He’s half saiyan which helps, but he’s trained and fought since coming back after the cell saga.
He had alrdy unlocked ultra super saiyan (or whatever you want to call it) during the cell saga and seen ss2, so he knew ss2 was in reach.
That knowledge and the fighting and training since then has made him even stronger.
I think his power up “rage mode,” at least for him, stems from his life and hardships and he created or discovered a power within himself through sheer will and love to fight against evil to protect the life around him for he is sick and tired and done with evil and was able to access something within himself to unleash energy which comes from beyond strength but derived from his focus and desire to protect those around him
Awesome breakdown of Trunks' power! He's suffered more than many others in the show, so I feel like it's natural for him to be capable of unlocking such an immense power level in general and especially to protect his family!
"Obviously he won't be able to beat Black and Zamasu" whoops
Yep
*Facts:*
*1.* He got his ass kicked an entire year, consequently he gained several zenkai boost.
This is anime certified and proven: When he first encountered Black he got one shot but before escaping to the present he held his own against Black, even Black praised him.
*2.* Hybrid sayian rage/locked potential. Human emotions are the main key to accessing this inmense ki reserve hybrid sayians have. They also gain power ups much faster than regular sayians and they can access the ssj transformations sooner and more efficiently.
*3.* He's a survivor. Trunks is a street/slick fighter, he doesn't mess around he goes for the kill and he will do anything to make it out alive. He's very skilled and is super slick. He managed to hide an entire year from Black also he's been always in disadvantage since day one yet he manages to hurt/escape from enemies light years stronger than him. He doesn't let his "sayian pride" get in his way also he's been oppresed by different major threats his whole life.
*BONUS FACT*
No pussy, there's no good pussy in the future timeline with the exception of Mai "The pedo" and he assumed she died. Just picture yourself in a post apocalyptic future without any good looking bad ass females around and the only one left has suicidal tendencies. All that testorone build up inside of him triggered the ssj2ssj out of him.
*FACTS*
Yes true
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@@droppedinbase5777 what
I like Super, but the answer to this question is so simple. I crack up so hard when people STILL try to even ATTEMPT to explain something so blasphemously wrong in the power scale logic. Have all of them forgotten that this nigga got his ass beat by a heavily suppressed SSjin Blue Vegeta just a couple of episodes earlier ?
Its because Super is just fan service, no matter which direction it heads. I fail to see why many people have STILL not recognized this.
This is fan service being done for Future Trunks fans to keep them happy and make money, because Toei and Toriyama know that Future Trunks was a generally well received character back then in the fan-base when the REAL series was on in the 80s and 90s.
^ This man's got the answers.
then what about fan service for gohan?
+Jenny Junko that's actually a good explanation
The most realistic answer I've ever seen
you hit the nail on the wall. That's exactly it
Trunks SS2 SHOULD be stronger than Goku's SS3 because he was fighting EVERY DAY whereas everyone else was just training or living in peace. He kept growing in power since he was waging a one man war against TWO super powerful immortal gods that kept him alive for sport. The "Saiyan Rage" ability is a special power-up unique to hybrids. He gains SSB plus power without the full form. Shame Gohan stopped being able to tap into his; he could have gained Ultra Instinct.
True. Saiyans thrive in war, and Trunks whole life was a war zone. He's more of a warrior than any of them (well, except Vegeta I guess)
They dont give trunks respect and they only focus on goku and kind of vegeta
the "Saiyan Rage" is also used by full blood saiyans like goku
for vegeta case , his rage doesnt rlly save him from fights but about goku , all the times he got mad , it's from "i get dominated to i dominate the oppenent" except for goku vs jiren case
i know i am years late on this but for this to make sense then that means that trunks's base form would have stronger than goku's base form and that literally makes no sense rage power yes but no way it's that this goku went through the buu saga, fought beerus, trainined with whis, training in the time chamber for 3 years with vegeta that makes no sense but hey super has a lot of moments like this.
That would be bad since ultra Instinct is a transformation special to goku and that would ruin it and its better Gohan got his own special form
"How did he get so strong?"
Plot armour.
He borrowed some from Batman.
Another factor for Trunks' strength:
Zenkai boosts. Now those might be a little outdated, but Trunks himself stated that he had been fighting Black for an entire year. And honestly speaking, to me it sounds like he fought him almost every single day, and I'm pretty damn sure Trunks got his ass kicked every single time, before being quickly saved by Mai or the others humans helping him.
Second thing: Malnourishment. In Trunks' future, because of Black the human resistance have troubles getting their hands on vital ressources like food, water, weapons and the like, you know with black killing and destroying everything.
Have you seen how much saiyans usually eat? Goku, vegeta, goten, present trunks, gohan. They eat a LOT to compensate for the massive amount of energy they use and so that their muscles can gorge themselves on proteins and various other stuff.
I'm pretty damn sure Trunks was almost always fighting in a weakened state because of lack of proper food and water.
He's also the kind of guy that would give his own food to someone else and go on the battlefield with an empty stomach.
Now whether this can also count as a sort of zenkai boost or not (I mean it can kinda be a constant near death state at this point) I'm not sure. But when he got to the present, he definitely was able to eat and drink properly to nourish his muscles and rest.
I'm not even including the fact that the food or water he ingest might not be completely edible, that he's breathing dust a lot on the battlefield or that his wounds can also not be properly healed.
So basically the boy had to constantly surpass his limits, to survive an entire year with minimum rest on terrible living conditions.
Third: The fact that Black killed so many people, including Future Bulma and how Trunks believed even Mai got killed off, more than likely shook up his emotions to a new high. Rage is a great source of saiyan power as seen with Vegeta, plus the fact that trunks' human side lets him feel even better and you've got one heck of a boost.
Now let's add the "sparrings" sessions with goku and possibly vegeta having more than one with Trunks for some extra strength, and also possibly with either of them explaining more in detail how to handle his ssj2 form better.
As for being able to push back Black and Zamasu in the latest fight, you can't just count on strength, but also technique. With all the shit he's gone through, I'm pretty sure he's had a lot of time to polish his important martial arts and swordsman skills to survive better. Plus he's been fighting Black for a year, that should be enough to figure out how Black fights and to take advantage of every openings in black's moveset that trunks knows.
Finally, although it hasn't been used or what, it seems like Trunks never completely discarded USSJ as seen in the vegeta fight. Maybe he even can do USSJ during ssj2, resulting in some sort of USSJ2 that has the power equivalent to ssj3. It could be one sweet trump card if he lands a big ki blast in such a form, provided he can switch fast enough from regular to ultra and back to regular.
He didn't lose every time. He mentions that Black got stronger after every time they fought, so the zenkai boosts if anything are on the other foot. Black before going to Goku's timeline was only a bit weaker than SSJ3, and if Black is growing stronger every time he fights Trunks, then at some point he wasn't even at SSJ2 level, let alone Trunks's level. He just keeps growing.
he couldnt have gotten that strong from zenkai. not possible
Noxalyz Is that so? Zenkai boosts in this case do go both way, though Black seems to have the ability to zenkai after every hit taken rather than after being roughed up really badly. Even if Trunks + Humans managed to push Black back sometimes (I don't really see how but if it's told then alright), Trunks most definitely didn't win the fights unscathed imo.
As for Black being weak when he first arrived in present timeline, wasn't it because he wasn't fighting seriously?
I wrote about more than the zenkai reasons. AlienNinjaPuppy
Ugh a hate when ppl Forget about these Very inportent Details!
The greatest/best dragon ball character. Or am I the only one who feels like this
nope Definetly best character
yes
Nope, farmer from episode one is the best character
You mean the fish from the first episode.
The Rower is best!!!
He's been fighting for his life, his ENTIRE life. No breaks. No arcs non stop one after another prob other random arcs 2
Because Trunks is Vegeta's son. He's born with the genes of a Saiyan Elite. He possesses the same "rage-boost" that Vegeta has ("That's my Bulma!")
Is it THAT hard to believe that in 17 years, which is a long ass time, Trunks could learn Super Saiyan 2 on his own? He's not Gohan. Trunks will train and keeping trying to get stronger because he's all his universe has. That's not even some deep speculation. It's like being surprised when Goku went super saiyan 3, like he couldn't train on his own and get stronger.
Even in the manga, he says he trained every single day like his life depended on it, which makes sense, considering his timeline. He knew what Super Saiyan 2 was and knew it could be obtained some way, but the reason why he never achieved 3 is because he didn't know there was a form beyond 2. And despite that, he says that he never settled with the power of SSJ2 and kept training it, which is why it's almost as strong as SSJ3.
He also didn't fight black aside from that one skirmish where he caught him off guard. The rest of it he was fighting Zamasu, who couldn't even beat SSJ2 Goku.
This. He saw Gohan went SSJ2 and he knew with enough practice (17 years is a very long time, lol), he also can unlock the form. And who said you need training partner to achieve SSJ2? Sure it is more convenient but not necessary. Goku did it and SSJ3 too on his own. Of course Kaio help him with the training by putting more and more weight but that was all. It was up to Goku to surpass his limit. And Vegeta also unlocked SSJ and SSJ2 (yes, he achieved SSJ2 even before he went Majin) by himself training in Gravity Chamber made by Bulma.
Also, I believe Trunks has better control and mastery over SSJ2 form than anyone in the series. And from what the series has shown, Goku did not really master the SSJ3 due to high energy output and demand to maintain the form, at least not up to Trunks mastery of SSJ2. The form is best used when he was dead because no strain is put on the body. Goku rarely uses the form or even trains with it. This is my opinion why SSJ2 Trunks>SSJ3 Goku.
Exactly
That true to Vegita achieved SSj1 without a training partners so yeah very true it alot harder without a training partner but doable LoL.
I really think that Future Trunks is the one to surpass Goku and Vegeta, he's practically both of them combined. If we go back to what Whis said to Goku and Vegeta about not being serious enough and not being relaxed enough, Trunks is practically what Whis has been talking about. As far as ki control goes, its shown when he spars with Vegeta, that he is able to control his ki to a point where he can change the size of his body to dodge attacks and deal heavy damage when needed. He's seen more death in his life than any other character in the db universe aswell, which we all know plays a very important role when becoming a Super Saiyan.
Dang u kinda nailed it
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Trunks keeps almost dying and being healed back by Mai. He probably had over 9000 zenkai boosts off camera.
i see what u did there
nice one mate
Wait… I thought Saiyans stopped having zenkai boosts after they reach a certain amount of them they receive?
@@TheWiseguyt I think it just stops once they're already very old
video: how did trunks get so strong
17: hold my gloves
I know right 17 had a ridiculous power up for Super.
DBS has pro wrestling type booking now. Powerscalling and power levels make no sense, so basically: If you're written to win, you win.
NBA does too
"If you're written to win, you win " basically every kind of Shows ever.
+Geekdom101 Hey bro good ep! basically what I have theorized about goku is that he learned how to turn his ki into God ki at will from training with whis. So I believe goku is just deciding to stick to normal not God ki when he is fighting people like trunks who arnt that strong.. Goku is someone that doesn't like advantage so it makes since.. as far as how trunks fought black? I believe It's literally just toei taking liberties with the writing, I believe that zamasu isn't supposed to be as strong as goku black and goku. so when they showed zamasu on par with goku I believe that was a mistake and not the way it was suppose to be. I believe the fight of ssj2 goku vs zamasu was to show that zamasu is around ssj2 strength and which would have been perfect because trunks could fight zamasu and goku could fight black and it would have been a perfect fight that made since.. it's just toei has been taking alot of liberties making stuff up and it sucks in the end because people like us that care about power scaling and the continuity of what they are saying and showing vs reality will be slightly disappointed. it's just like when goku went kaioken vs hit, it was realy cool but obviously not intended by toriyama which is why they had to write 2 episodes that gave goku a reason to not use kaio-ken again ( because he will get --> "ki sickness"
Chima how is Basket Ball fake ?
+Geekdom101 savage man
There's only two explanations that I see that could be possible. Trunks' base is ridiculously stronger than Goku's. Meaning for his SSJ 2 to be a match for Goku's SSJ 3, he'd have to be 4x stronger than Goku's base in his own base form. Then, when he transforms into SSJ 2 that makes him 400x stronger (4x100=400) than Goku's base. So when Goku transforms into SSJ 3, which has a 400x multiplier from his base, they would be equals. That's not that far fetched when you think about it. Perhaps he doesn't train in his SSJ forms but perhaps he trains in his base form. Because the SSJ transformations are multipliers, if Trunks were to just double his strength in his base form, then his SSJ 2 would literally be 100x stronger than it was before. It's possible is all I'm saying.
Or, perhaps he's learned how to control SSJ 2 like Goku and Gohan did with SSJ. So now he no longer has to waste a lot of energy to transform or to maintain the transformation. We saw how much stronger FPSSJ made Goku and Gohan. Imagine that with SSJ 2.
Those are my opinions anyway.
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Do you think I'm on to something?
Very well thought out. You could be right in either case.
I definitely like this Trunks has been in conflict atleast since dabura and then black whom he has been fighting and getting stronger as well as black they both have been getting stonger off of each other and also trunks employs other techniques rather than raw strength like going ultra ssj against vegeta to decieve him.
didn't Goku and Vegeta train in base form to be able to get to SSGB?
He trained with Supreme Kai, was at the limit to his initial power, was on the cusp of a new transformation, trains with Vegeta in SS Blue, exposed to God Ki. It makes sense. The Spirit SS form is something he figures out subconsciously via his training in the otherworld as well as his desire and passion.
Besides, Trunks atleast has these many reasons. Why is 17 as strong as he is?!?
that...is a good question
Ikr
Saiyans gain power through their emotions in every series..that being said it makes sense that hybrids have greater potential..everytime it was dire,every saiyan broke their "wall"or "shell"..Trunks also had a rougher life then the others..so he was forced to break his shell more often and saiyans gets stronger after going all out anyway
I hope everybody enjoyed this video. I did the best I could to explain it but remember, don't overthink Dragon Ball. Just have fun.
This video was really great. You always surprise me with how well researched your videos always are. Keep up the amazing work
+Blacksmith2500 everything's a plothole
Dude its easy Geek Dumb 1 - 0 - 1 = 0 Heres my theory: Trunks bought space steroids from Jaco.
At first I thought ssj2 goku and ssj 2 trunks were equal
man, analysis like yours I see only in philosophical debates. Thank you!
lets just be real. there is no explanation. Writers wrote themselves in corner by making goku and vegeta so theoretically strong. Now, anyone that fights on their level seems suspicious and questionable. ssjb is supposed to be greater than ssjgod and they expect us to believe ssj2 can withstand the same attack as one?
I totally agree with you man. It may seemed to cool when goku absorbed the God power making his base form essentially as strong as his ssjgod form was in BOG but its thrown everything into question like if goku in his base is atleast as strong as he was as a ssjgod in BOG shouldn't and he still gets a powerboost from transforming into a ssj2 and 3, he should be stronger than beerus even without the god forms. They've essentially had to retcon how strong beerus is by making him absurdly more powerful compared to the movie version of him
although in ss2 trunk's defence where episode 57 is concerned, that kamehameha was the only attack that hit him and that was it for him as opposed to goku who took a fair amount of hits but still I get what you're saying
im trying bro!
Trunks doesn't need training
Thank you, someone that understands
I think he hit the boiling point.. he's been thru alot.. to release all of that pain and anger and sorrow and regret? the countless ppl that he's seen died? and u blame him for it?! WTF?? its like ssj 2 gohan times a billion.. #LetitGo..Trunks
Why is Trunks so strong now? Simple; Because he's been fighting Black. All of his close encounters with death, and constantly kept on a blade's edge of tension, has made him strong. Look at what a single fight with Frieza did for a Goku, or just one fight with Cell did for Gohan. Trunks has been fighting an opponent who's superior to both of them, many, many times. It's just that simple.
The reason why hybrids have so much more potential than full blooded saiyans is because they have more emotional attachment than their full blooded counterparts who tend to be more cold; of which a saiyans dormant strength is unlocked and derived from their feelings. Goku is an outlier because he we raised as a human but even him throughout the series wasn't as emotional as gohan or trunks or goten. He hust cared about his friends and loved to get stronger and fight.
Trunks, gohan and goten fight out of necessity which is what brings out the rage inside them and springboards their power to new levels that would be much harder for a goku or a vegeta to achieve seeing is their main motivation to get stronger is to be the best and compete. It wasn't until goku lost his best friend throughout child which made him tap into his emotions to do any such powerup like super saiyan. And goku only developed such emotion because he was raised as a human not a saiyan.
However when vegetas longtime comrade died he didn't bat an eyelash seeing is it was him who killed him for disgracing their warrior honor.
If only vegeta knew to get a heart sooner he would've had the ability to surpass any goal he had before and reach it much sooner without just grinding for strength.
Yeah, only takes 1 look at how strong and hard vegeta had to work in order to gain his power. Its obvious what was holding him back was the boost you get from being desperate. It was only until Vegeta became broken at the realization he might never be a super saiyan and became desperate which was when he was finally able to achieve it. But that being desperate was a human emotion that he picked up from being around the other z-fighters too.
The problem with what you say is that when you look at absolutes, Vegeta and Goku remain the most powerful saiyans, both full and half breed. Half breeds may have more emotions which allow unlocking their full potential, but they lack the commitment and drive pure saiyans have to maintain such power. Gohan depowers every chance he gets while Vegeta and Goku never get weaker. Potential means nothing when there is no determination.
DrNotEmpathetic You are right, but at the same time you aren't.
It's not being half saiyan which boosts your power.. Its the emotions you gain from being raised by humans. Saiyans were known for being cold blooded, ruthless and uncaring. They went thousands of years with no one becoming a super Saiyan.
Hell, would Vegeta have ever even become a Super Saiyan if he was never introduced to the Z-fighters? probably not....
There were incredibly strong saiyans alive, but none of them had the emotional investment to take their power even further.
Goku and even Vegeta were both around humans enough to start getting emotionally invested in certain things. I think it was highlighted by Vegeta learning to sense power levels (on namek) just because he fought with them on earth
Vegeta and Goku are the most powerful, sure. But they have both used human emotions to surpass what was previously possible.
I know this isn't really cannon, but I think Broly epitomises the limits of raw power, the perfect "Saiyan" if you will. He embodies the rage, the ruthlessness, the power that the Saiyan race strived for. Goku and Vegeta found a way passed that despite having nowhere near Brolys potential nor his thirst for battle. They did it by making use of their other emotions which is something Saiyans never previously did.
very valid explanation along with the TENKAI BOOST
Well,Vegeta was able to surpass gokus ssj3 in ssj2 form when Beerus pimp smacked Bulma.Maybe ssj2 has a much higher potential with proper ki control.
he didn't surpass shit. he got a quick power boost then got gobsmacked...lol
scurvymouth Seriously,though,you fanboys Goku obsession borders on the pathological.grow the fuck up.
rbk10010O
uh-huh. cry moar. your salty tears are almost as tasty as vegeta's every time he realizes he'll never best kakarot.
scurvymouth7 minutes ago
+rbk10010O
"uh-huh. cry moar. your salty tears are almost as tasty as vegeta's every time he realizes he'll never best kakarot."Just in case you try and hide your stupidity by editing your comment.You cant even spell.Cant expect you to know any better.
rbk10010O
if you listen quietly, you can still hear the soft tear falls of the 2nd best of all saiyajins and his fanbois in denial. "waaaah! he's just as good!" even though they know deep down he isn't.
He could have just been training by himself all those years like how vegeta did when he has trying to be ss1
toxicyoutuber Tru
In the gravity chamber
Keep in mind that Trunks is the ONLY being in his future timeline that is fighting the baddies. In current timeline there is always a group ready to defend Earth but Future Trunks can only rely on himself and so has had to push himself farther than anyone else just to keep Earth safe.
I guess we all have to accept Trunks as the New Gohan
gohan was his teacher so student like master
I'd be happy with that. Too bad we probably won't see him after this arc. But if he stayed that would be awesome
nonsense. gohan comes back!
he looks younger than his frieza slicing intro ffs. DBS really messed up with the physical changes theyve made to everybody. Krillin is 3ft tall and everybody is so slim and lanky. Trunks and Tien were huge af now malnourished. Smh
After that great saiyanman bs in the buu saga we should have seen that coming tbh.
"They They They THey THEY"
Its not frigging "THEY" its "HIM" and that "HIM" Is yamamuro. Its his character designs that suck. and the animators are just trying to do their job and follow the character designs.
It's just their animation inconstancy... They haven't had a fully set design on trunks, he changes on regular.
Shadow9220 im way late on this but Gohan made sense to be so small. He hadn't trained since the Buu saga and naturally lost muscle mass due to atrophy.
Lmao soo true bro
"Who did he train with?"
Well, in the present time, Vegeta trains by himself in a gravity chamber, which definitely works, or he and Goku wouldn't train in higher gravity. So it makes sense that with 17 years of training in a gravity chamber which Future Bulma could've made, Trunks could've gotten stronger.
Ok I had a thought. The reason that Trunks is so powerful is because in his timeline, Goku and Vegeta died. When they died, there was no one to protect the Earth except Trunks and Gohan. Gohan at that point was the strongest in the world but when he died, Trunks absolutely HAD to become stronger and stronger to protect the earth. He was his timeline's equivalent of Goku so he HAD to be strong or the world would have been overthrown or destroyed by some evil force. That's why he's as strong as Goku, because he is doing Goku's job for his timeline.
True. I think Trunks biggest strength is his will and conviction.
The fact that the namekians didnt help trunks bring back his friends and family is still a plot hole to me
They don't know where the namekians are though. They might very well need Whis to go with them (which he very well could refuse) and have him scan the universe for them to find them, but so far they've needed every inch of space for people that are going to be actually fighting. Before super though there was little to no chance they could find the namekians since they didn't bother to make sure the dragon told them where their new planet and where they teleported to was.
***** To be fair, they weren't even sure what'd happen with the time machine, it was very much a last ditch effort from Bulma. One of the key points was that it'd create or enter a separate timeline, not change their timelines. Trunks going to the present timeline just to get strong enough to beat the androids himself when he gets back is what ended up happening, but it wasn't what they intentionally planned for.
Are you sure Kaio could've found new namek? It seemed Whis's staff was pretty ground breaking for the dragonball series in terms of tech(magic?) available and they made a big deal out of Whis finding the saiyans on earth when Beerus wanted to investigate his dream.
i was thinking that too, i mean this whole time no one bothered to go to king kai to be like "Hey we just got our asses killed by these strong enemies and Gohan is the only one alive.
Goku's been dead, did he just decided to never check in on his family and friends? Yamcha, Tien and Chosu piccolo and Krillin are dead, none of them went to the next world and got to keep their body and try to go to King Kai? what about Kami he was pure so he would get to keep his body i'm sure he would have talked to King Yemma or King Kai could have communicated with Gohan, King Kai could have asked the Nemekians for help, could have told Gohan about the time chamber.
the future timeline really seems like everyone that died said "Fuck it, Gohan is on his own"
+DevilJin you only saw Goku and maybe Kami talk to King Kai. Plus, it could be that they don't want others to know about the Dragon Balls because of exactly what Zamasu just did
Admiral Ackbar I am not hating on db super
This said plot hole existed in DBZ too
but since we saw that trunks could speak to kaioshin, i thought this way they could communicate with the namekians to help earth go back to normal
They should've just made Trunks SSJ3
+Darian Bogard but would have made more sense.
ssj3 would get destroyed just as bad as an ssj2 by anyone god level. Look at what Beerus did to ssj3 goku and gotenks. ssj3 gotenks can't even beat base vegeta
+Xenoforce456 very good point! I agree with 100%
I'm pretty sure you can't learn super saiyan 3 when your alive.
nworder4life How did gotenks do it when he was alive?
That's so crazy you made the comparison that Trunks is basically living out what Gohan should've been, I've never thought about it like that. Very good video my man, keep up the quality content!
he probably unlocked the power when his mom from the future died people seem to forget that he's a half saiyan as well, just like gohan, he has all the potential and he's been in a back and forth battle with a monster for who knows how long and not slacking in his training. He has the potential to surpass gohans latent ability in super.
NO
There is absolutely no reason he should be able to tango with SSB and SSR. Just inconsistency and fan service for the Trunks fans.
That's all it is. Vegeta got fucked over again so trunks fans could be happy regardless of what makes sense. Might as well get krillin and yamcha to fight against black and zamasu next time.
Honestly it would have been boring otherwise.
exactly. end of video
you do realize that Super Saiyan blue and every other form of Super Saiyan it's just a multiplier to the strength of the person who is using it for example someone that is super saiyan can beat someone who is Super Saiyan blue it is all based around your base stats. your base power level could be two thousand and you could be a Super Saiyan blue but someone else with a base power of 2 million could be a Super Saiyan and still win
+David W yes but at the end of the day Gokus base power is still a lot stronger then trunks is. This still doesn't make any sense.
great video although i think you're putting way more thought into it than even the writers lol.
I AM!!!
+Geekdom101 agreed lol
yeah
he puts so much time and effort while the actual writers don't really give so much crap lol
That's because the writers put next to zero thought into it, and why we as fans are always left scratching our heads.
I do believe his status as a hybrid helped but him constantly fighting for his life and training was another factor as well. and like you said he was more focused on his training than Gohan, and he had better reasons to.
Appreciate all the love and dedication you give to dragon Ball it's been my favorite anime and manga my whole life
I think it was more technique than power.
As for ssj2, all saiyans learn how things work when they see someone do them. Trunks had already essentially become ssj2. Ussj is literally incorrectly powering up to ssj2. Call it false ssj2, like how we have false ssj from the slug movie. He wittnessed gohan transform to ssj2, and he even said himself: gohan powered up correctly. He not only saw the transformation, he saw it in action and he was able to sense the energy the whole time. He is obviously going to figure out how to correctly power up eventually.
+Soul Intent very good point thank you
Does he actually go SSJ2? It the clip I saw it was kinda like a bit from the Dragon Ball Multiverse comic where he alternated between USSJ and SSJ.
he goes ssj2 against goku. He alternates between ussj and ssj2 to trick someone. cant remember if it was goku or vegeta. Again, i dont think hes much more powerful i think its all in his technique.
Think about it, he is the only one alive that has significant power. Instead of just sparring with someone strong he has to develop ways to utilize what he has.
yeah and he got experience from cell saga.. then went back to his own time and took care of things. Beating dabura babidi etc. And anyone else posing a threat, plus training. That is until black arrived.
The way i see it is ussj and assj are just ssj1.5's or so.
Or maybe one of them is like 1.33 the other 1.66 lol and then theres ssj2.
ussj is supposedly as strong as ssj2 just you dont get a speed boost, you actually lose speed. But idk, either way the 2 forms inbetween ssj1 and ssj2 are incorrectly powering up to reach the next form. They have said it before.
Why isn't skill and technique ever considered? Everyone makes everything strictly about power levels and scaling which is a boring concept to me
It's not us, it's just the way Dragon Ball works. We haven't seen a technique that actually makes a significant difference in a fight since...when?
I agree 100% with you man. It seems like the only benefit of "power scaling" is having those stupid hypothetical fight debates. I would prefer to watch the drama unfold.
+Xaecre I feel like the entire universe 6 tournament arc placed technique over just raw power, it's not like trunks did any real damage or came close to killing anyone, he just held his own, I don't see what the big deal is but that's just me, I'd enjoy a departure from the guy who yells the loudest wins, that shit gets dull
Well Technique depends on the user's PLV if u have skill but is much weaker than ur opponent then youll lose.
+Xaecre Hit vs Goku
It makes perfect sense Trunks would be so strong.
Look at how he grew up. For the majority of his life, he was under the whims of the androids. They killed the majority of the people in his life, and even killed future Gohan. A character that basically acted like his father figure.
But, the important thing is, how did Trunks perceive that?
He saw it as a sign that he was too weak. Gohan fought alone, because Trunks was too weak. I.e. Gohan died, because Trunks was too weak.
You think someone w/ the mentality of "If only I was stronger, that wouldn't have happened" - who knew about the ssj2 transformation from the fight with Cell - would skimp on leg day? He'd fcking love leg day - and because of his time in the hyperbolic time chamber w/ vegeta - he probably learned a lot of techniques for solo training.
He might have started getting lax around the time Babidi and Dabura showed up - but Dabura was supposed to have been pretty close to Cell's strength. -- He said it himself, "It was a close fight"
As in, it was re-affirmed to him - that if he didn't keep up his training pace - something like w/ the androids could happen again.
Then it did w/ the appearance of Goku Black. Trunks likely won the majority of those encounters before Goku Black was able to unlock the super saiyan form - which, for him, meant super saiyan rose.
And if Dragon Ball Super teaches you anything, it's that regular ki is absolutely meaningless before god ki. -- look at the Kefla fight. When Trunks unlocks the "Super Saiyan anger form - he's shown to have a bit of a blue aura. I'm almost positive that blue is god ki.
I think ssj god form is simply a form one can achieve - and it has absolutely nothing to do w/ being able to use god ki. Irregardless of what is said in the show - because none of the gods or characters in the show - are all knowing.
Loved the video man, great points made keep them coming.
Because he had so many zenkai boosts by being beat up every day by Black he became even stronger than the Omni-king jk lmao
simple toriyama needs the mighty FT to be as strong to compete with the cast, i just saved yall a video
The real reason is trunks has unlocked the legendary SSP or "super saiyan plot" form. It fools enemies into thinking you're weak when you're actually SSB level.
Is was just a joke
+DragonBallZLive Where does it state that? Im pretty sure Vegeta is gonna get a zenkai after his fight with Black
zenkai boost is a part of saiyan physiology, they grow stronger after each battle, near death beatdowns, should they survive will result in zenkai boost, SSJ or not. that's according to the series, feel free to look it up
I think you missed something, we know he wasn't able to beat or push back Black Goku before coming to the past, he couldn't damage him at all, but Goku in SS1 was able to not only hold off Black but also injure him. That means that SS1 Goku is still stronger than SS2 Future Trunks. More than likely, SS2 Future Trunks is probably at about the level Vegeta was when he was Majin Vegeta or maybe a little higher. Though now that he's trained with Vegeta, it could be closer to what Goku is at in SS1. With further training i think he could become SSB, and i have a feeling that might be where this arc is heading, especially since Vegeta seems to be encouraging Trunks (and the other saiyan from universe 6) to reach SSB and surpass him.
you haven't watched Super have you...Black when they went back to the future was on par with SSJ Blue vegeta in his base and out classed both SSJ Blue Vegeta and Goku in his Rose form, so the fact that Trunks kept up with Zamasu and Black means he is a heck of a lot stronger than when he first came to the past in Super.
The Ref
Are you the biggest idiot on the planet? I was talking about Before the fight with Goku, Zamasu, Black, and Trunks. When Trunks Comes back to the past to warn about Black. Also, if i haven't watched Super, how the fuck do i know any of this? Use your brain for two seconds and Think before you type.
Deus Umbra "SS2 Future Trunks is probably at about the level Vegeta was when he was Majin Vegeta or maybe a little higher."
-Deus
This is non sense, as Majin Vegeta wouldn't put up a fight against Black Goku...heck even SSB Vegeta was beaten...so by that logic Trunks HAS to be many times stronger than Majin Vegeta since he actually pushed back SSJ Rose Goku..
Goku was SSJ2 when fought Black, you can tell by his hair. But it doesnt make sense for Trunks to be losing to Black when we were first introduced to Black and then coming back to the future so much stronger. He held up much better than Vegeta in SSB lol. I guess power levels just dont matter anymore, kinda sucks since they really raised the bar with SSB and now a SSJ2 is fighting in the same battles..
Shit writing is Shit
there's another factor that plays into this too, when the saiyans gets *brutally damage* in battle they come back even *stronger* just like when vegeta was nearly dead on the planet Namek by Zarbon (i think?) only when he was able to kill Zarbon. So, maybe during the Majin buu part for future trunks he probably got his a55 handed to him a lot by his majin buu then his supreme kai probabl notice that future trunk was losing a lot and decided to *train* him in order to defeat majin buu then saw that future trunk can *go even farther* then SSJ 1 and help him *unlock* his true potential which got him stronger.
Legit your intro character impressions are my favorite parts of the videos
despite of the fanbase`s efforts to explain them, the power levels in dragonball never made any sense.
Exactly. Power levels have been bullshit since they've been introduced
And yet so many people in this damn fandom are obsessed with them.
Toriyama himself said power levels never meant anything, it's the community that holds onto that shit lol
The whole point of power levels was that they were bullshit and should never be relied upon. Aside from the ones directed stated in the manga and anime the rest were made just to fill pages in the Daizenshuu.
No power levels made sense until the Freeza fight. Then nothing makes sense.
Jesus... 4:18 Goku's eyes are fucked lol
child labor
What I figure is considering as we have seen Sayian power is tied closely with ones anger or rage. Considering all the shit Trunks has had to deal with he would have been angry a lot.
If he were to learn how to harness and manipulate that state of mind he could exponentially increase the effectiveness of training. Thus rapidly boosting his power.
you left out the fact that saiyans get obsessively stronger through anger and rage
And trunks eyes instill the fear of his rage in every enemy he meets
Nah bro it's all about the tingly back
The fact that some people actually puts effort into explaining this in the comment section and actually trying to help along the theory gets 10-20 likes on their comments. Meanwhile some people just say "this show is shit" and gets 40-80 likes on their comments. That seriously makes me kind of sad
Ultimate Spoopynator You are missing the point entirely. Your ki blast is so off you missed Brolys chest and hit a planet on the other side of the galaxy
***** thank you...I guess
Ultimate Spoopynator You're missing the point because there are some people that actually think Super isn't that bad...and then there are fanboys like you that just hates it for no reason even when they are doing things that are great
Ultimate Spoopynator terrible animation? Oh yeah, cause ut's not like Z had bad animation. Not at all. And how exactly was the original Z an interesting plot until the android saga? Characters got regressed in Z too, looking at you Yamaha, Krillin, Tien, Chaotzu, Gohan, Bulma, Chi Chi, Puar, Roshi and Launch. And how is Goku out of character? Being annoyingly excited to train and wanting to do all the fighting on his own and socially being an idiot is basically how he was in Z too. Oh yeah, cause Z never had any potholes at all. I mean, it only did take 5 minutes for Namek to explode, right? Awful power scaling? You mean how one Namekian with a power level of around 15 thousand and another Namekian with the power level of maybe 20 thousands all of a sudden can challenge a being with 200 million power
Ultimate Spoopynator I just love that first point of yours. "It looked bad but it looked great at the same time". If there ever was a more fanboy statement that's fucking it.
The Saiyan saga? Oh please, it's just 3 people coming to earth, killing the heroes and then 2 of them dies and the other one leaves. How the hell was that interesting?
Exactly, she was so regressed she was not even worth being in the show. And the others were regressed because they became useless. Utterly fucking useless. None of them did shit and even when they did they got regressed later on *cough* mystic Gohan *cough*
Except he always was this childish and stupid. He is afraid of needles for God's sake!
Name 3
You treat the Namekian fusion as if it is the potara fusion or the dance fusion. There is nothing, absolutely NOTHING that states how the Namekian fusion work on the users power level. But hey, putting that aside, you wanna talk powers that automatically rise for no reason? How about Gohan being beaten easily by Recoome and then a few hours later he goes toe to toe with third form Frieza
You really are surprised that he would go back to that kind of way? Here is this god like power that he never knew even existed. How can you expect that side of him not to come back? That's like having Goku not fight for a bit because he is just too strong to fight anymore and then this new guy appears that is stronger than him and he does not fight him. You're asking the character to be what he never has been. And hell, did you even see the Cell saga? "I will never fight again" i think was Vegetas last words. Buu saga comes around, he is more muscular and powerful than ever before and in Super Saiyan 2 and dreamt of this rematch for 7 years. Again, don't blame Super for somethng Z did before.
Did i mention how that still apparently explains all of Zs power scaling but in Super it's just cheap plot device? I'm quite certain i mentioned that still apparently explains all of Zs power scaling but in Super it's just cheap plot device.
Actually, Z doing it too is the best defense to Super. Why? Just shows how average both the shows are and it nullifies the argument due to you complaining of things already done before. And GT is just terrible in every way possible. GT is the definition of all the reasons you say you hate Super.
Trunks one of my favorite characters how about you guys?
I love Trunks but I still like Gohan's character the best (don't ask me why)
Vegeta then Trunks for me tbh
he's my favorite cause he's the only one that doesn't fuck around
+Matthew Phillips Exactly. It's like everyone attentionally don't care about the problem that's in front of them and continue to ignore that they could die. Besides Trunks. He puts in work like a deposit.
So simple, it's mainly down the Genke Dama (spirit bomb).
The other boosts of training, being a hybrid, potential unlocked, zen Kai boosts when he recovers and fighting black all makes a difference of course.
Trunks also knows Blacks moves which is handy when fighting.
Trunks through out the entire saga is slowly learning the Spirit sword/spirit aura technique.
It's a mixture between rage and the spirit bomb. This move is bloody powerful.
Trunks is also the most tactical fighter as shown many times.
Goku actually uses the Kaio Ken.
Trunks move is like:
Kaio Ken + Spirit Bomb/sword/aura + Potential unlocked.
The Kaio Ken is a multiplier so Trunks move is a much stronger multiplier than the Kaio Ken.
It's enough to move from Super Saiyan 2 to Super Saiyan God.
Trunks so powerful because his entire life has been conflicted. He doesnt let pride get in the way like his father, and is more of a fighter than gohan personality wise. Being half blooded and getting zenkai boosted from multiple losses (physically + emotionally) throughout the years and the result was when he faught goku in super. Through out the arc he gets even more powerful purely from desperation and anger. Some of the biggest saiyan boost triggers is loss, anger, and desperation (wanting to protect the people you care about.) Trunks has been living that his entire life. So it makes sense why he is that powerful. He is pretty much the hero (goku) of his timeline. Earth's only defense and he will do anything to protect it. i think he draws power from that as well.
Plot device. Nothing more, nothing less
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
That's usually 100% fine... but in a show where fighting and power are the only thing going on it's just an epic face palm. If your plot requires them to get beaten then have trunks beat out of the fight early... like Vegeta was.
I think the goal of that episode was just to present the fans with a beautiful cinematic feel to the fight and they succeeded. Unless Black or Zamasu pulls a Goku and gets fatally wounded with their guards down, Trunks' power will forever remain microscopic to those two. At this point Black would murk the entire Gt verse by himself, let alone be threatened by Trunks
Do you people even watch other anime? When you're following multiple anime and watch Super side by side with others the animation and plot look really amateur. Just saying.
lenks0
Yes, to your anime question and ummm ok? to the rest
He's smart like Bulma, and serious like Vegeta. Thought that gave it away. He analyzes his enemies and takes no chances with teasing them in a fight like Goku does. Which is why he is always the one from the future to go toe to toe with a super villain. He trains alot and lives to defend the human race as Goku defends the earth. meh
You explained this perfectly 👍👍
7:00 Bulma isn't the Princess of Technology--SHE'S THE QUEEN
Technically Dr. Briefs is the King. That makes Mrs. Briefs the Queen and Bulma the Princess
4 minutes ago the vid was uploaded it is 10 minutes long and it has 1 dislike
proof that ppl just dislike randomly
***** he didn't even get to the thing in the first 4 minutes XD
+Sag Chaos maybe that's why, 4 mins without any data..
Dhruv Joshi .....
Yea that whole deal in the manga with Trunks being equal to SSJ3 Goku is HORRIFIC writing. Thanks god the anime didn't perpetuate that.
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+Geekdom101 you think future trunks being with the Supreme kai would get his potential unlocked like trunks
In Trunks timeline he constantly fighting and has to train harder than Goku's timeline. Look at how Vegeta fought Beerus when Bulma got slapped. Trunks has lived a consistent life of death and always fighting to live, he'd always have the need to train. The Kai's could have trained him.
Yet the anime has Trunks taking on Black and Zamasu. Not only that, but he survived an attack that knocked out ssb Goku, foh
AeonBreakX Yea, but he still got wrecked at the end of the day. He only got one hit on Black anyway, I don't know where people get this idea that he was "hanging with him". It's not as bad as the manga, although it's still a bit bs.
Damn !! The research behind this video is shocking !! So many facts about dbz to learn from this video.
In the end it all made sense why trunks is so strong !!
Your future trunks impression was actually pretty good no lie
It's really not surprising. To start with, he knows about super saiyan 2, he knows he can strive for it, and he would be determined to reach that level to protect the earth. I don't think his potential matches Gohans, half breed or not. But I do think it matches, if not surpasses Vegeta's.
Beyond that, he continued to fight in the future, defeating Babidi's minions and preventing Boo's release. Yes, he probably did get -some- assistance from the supreme kai, though how much is hard to guess.
After that, Trunks very likely didn't rest on his laurels. As the only Z-fighter left, he'd probably continue to train with the assitance of Bulma developing training technology.
Then there's the fights with Black... How many times did Trunks fight? How many times did he get defeated? Even though zenkai boosts have been downplayed since the Frieza saga, I imagine they still play a part.
I want to note that Shu recognized Trunks doing image training, then Mai picked up on it very easily. It's possible that Mai of the future learned about image training from Shu, and passed that on to Trunks. It may not raise one's powerlevel, but it would be a way to fine-tune skill without an opponent... And a way to eventually figure out a fighting style that strongly counters any given opponents, as long as you've learned enough about how they fight of course.
One more slightly unrelated note... I think it might highlight that super cyan form might not be that far beyond what they can achieve going SSJ2 or 3. An improvement, and a step towards being able to challenge the god of destruction himself, but not really so far beyond that other mortal beings can't contend.
In a way, this makes golden Frieza make sense. He's mortal, even if he did manage to give himself a tremendous power boost, and develope a transformation that mimicks how SSJ works... He likely only just surpasses SSJ3.
he surpassed cell in strength. goku wasn't even that strong
FDJustin not match gohan lol why was gohan dead then?
why do people keep calling that move a psionic blade? i feel ki blade both sounds better and describes it better. psionic implies psychic power and i don't think that's quite what it is... but then again Goku did use telepathy that one time... so who fucking knows with dragonball
Love you, Daddy.
they call it the psionic blade because the color reminds them of Psylocke.
Ki Blade.... Ki.... Key....
Key... Blade....Keyblade.
I think you're on to something there! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Pioxys lol, please no, leave KH out of this. It's f*cked up enough on it own
jose garcia ...when? I very vividly remember Geekdom dubbing it the Psionic Blade when episode 56 or 57 aired. other than that it's just called a blade of energy.
on a spiritual level Trunks has Saiyan Pride and the Will of a Human. When in times of dire stress his power will continue to multiply.
Trunks my favorite, he gone be god in heroes. Finaly hope gohan join that level to
Trunks didn't even go SSJ2 in the fight between Future Zamasu and Black. There was not a single spark of electricity, and Trunks himself says "I went Super Saiyan and used my most powerful technique (Final Flash)". Plus, we don't even know the SSJ Rose level. Even if Trunks is SSJ3 power level, even still, when he punched Rose Black into a wall, in reality should've broke his arm / leg (whatever he used, since they didn't even animate how he punched / kicked Black into the wall)... Rose Black should not have been even slightly pushed back by Trunks..
To me, it's like Hercule punching Kid Buu and Kid Buu flies all the way back crashing into a wall.. It just wouldn't happen. That's how much stronger the SSJR should be compared to any non-godly SSJ.
Exactly my point proved. Vegeta gave him God Ki.
Exactly my point proved. Vegeta gave him God Ki. And taught him how to control his ki
Exactly my point proved. Vegeta gave him God Ki. And taught him how to control his ki
Also remember
When Gohan first turned super Saiyan 2 it was just super Saiyan
It wasn't called super Saiyan two until Goku described what the three different Saiyan levels were when he was fighting fat buu
So trunks calls it super Saiyan
dont look at sparks, that is just mistake in animation, it is logical that he will not use ssj1 when he can use ss2...
as a gohan fan....you sir... have broken my heart
i agree. makes sence though
+Shahzil Choudhry it does. still makes me sad, though.
In my interpretation, Gohan has the greatest potential. Trunks has higher potential than Vegeta, but that's about it.
And awesome video bro
half saiyan potential + multiple zenkai boosts after probably nearly dying against black multiple times + a decade of training = current trunk's power level. It's honestly not that hard to see how strong he is. The anime just messed up with his power by making it not match up with the manga. but it perfectly makes sense. Not to mention he trained with the z sword and and the supreme kai like Gohan, and we all know how strong gohan got by doing just that.
He may also have gotten a Zenkai from his latest defeat from Black.
Exactly.
he probably forgot about that. and won't even impliment it to goku
or vegeta who looks like he really could use it right now.
If Vegeta doesn't get one from his 'L' your argument is waiting for one too.
dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Zenkai
Super completely discarts logic with power levels so you got to see it as a matter of force of will! The best explanation is that he always dealt with loss and tragedy so he got his strength from there!
Trunks has similar motivation as Gohan their powers are triggered through pain he or somone their care about suffering or the need of protection, with one exception, Trunks still trains n uses his past as his motivation.
Honestly, I didn't consider Trunks "so strong" in Super, since the first time we see him fight, he's losing to Goku Black, and did so repeatedly before then. That impression stayed with me, especially since zenkai boosts apparently do not exist anymore. I did figure Trunks would naturally progress on his own. He is his timeline's only Z Fighter, so no choice but to get stronger or die. No idea how he trained. Future Dabura should have been much stronger than the future androids, so being able to kill him at all should have put Trunks at least in the same neighborhood of SS2 Gohan having slacked off on training after Cell. Trunks obviously hasn't slacked off, so he should be stronger still.
Also, I consider Zamasu oddly strong for a god, but that's because gods don't fight often before Super, and when they did they were usually losing. I'm more impressed there's a god other than Beerus who can hang with Goku in his base form, especially for one who used to be a Kai. So if anything, it's less that Trunks was too strong to start with, and more that Zamasu was. Especially since we have no idea how Zamasu got that strong, but with Trunks we can at least made educated guesses.
It's easy to explain why 2 Trunks can keep up with 3 Goku. Goku doesn't like to use his full power right away. He was obviously holding back.
Hey Geekdom, Beerus might make a new sword for Trunks, and since Zamasu can't be killed...hehe he'll be the perfect candidate to become a new Z sword for Trunks to use.
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Then again the spoilers say that he kills Zamasu..but some titles can be misleading...bait and switch idk
Gimme your ring He's immortal..?
87Khein
Good enough lol
***** Different timelines remember that.
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Zamasu of the past isn't the same as the one in the future .-. it's like present trunks and future trunks
Would love to see a vid on the potential of Cell. Given he's got both Saiyan and Freiza and Cold's DNA I'm curious how powerful he could get had he not died.
it's possible with the kais that trunks got his potential unlocked just like ultimate gohan did for buu. The difference might be that trunks kept the power, trained for years after and went super saiyan 2 on top of that. I can see that being the case on top of trunks having more potential than a normal saiyan
why don't they just do the god ritual on trunks lmfao
RIGHT!!!!!
Geekdom101 or any character with saiyan blood... whatever i dont know what i expected lol
+Geekdom101 Hiii
They should it would make sense since he's not as prideful as vegeta, trunks wouldn't mind turning into a God that way
i thought the ritual only worked on full blooded saiyans?
I thought the answer was simple. Goku trains alot, yeah. But Trunks survives alot more. The universe Trunks is from is constantly being fucked up the arse. Goku's universe is only occasionally being fucked up the arse. Trunks, having to be the only and only one, responding to each of these attacks has probably racked up more experience fighting than what Goku has. Remember, the android arc didn't actually last that long for the Z-Warriors. But for Trunks, the battle lasted years. In my mind, and maybe I'm wrong on this, Trunks is strong because his universe is in constant turmoil and he has to constantly rise to action. It's simply a matter of how much one fights compared to the other.
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I dont see how this would play out, yes, during the android arc he fought the androids for a really long time, however, he took the timemachine to go to "present time" because he couldn't kill them alone, he was weaker then Goku when he arrived obviously..
Then, he trained his ass off and was still weaker then Goku and Gohan.. Saga ends, he goes back to his own time and kills them without trouble.
At that point he should still be the same strength level as he was when he went back.
For the rest of the sagas not a lot changes, Buu arc goes the same..
so, in the end, there isn't more turmoil, you're forgetting that he's from the future everything that happened in his timeline should've also happened in the normal timeline.. theres no valid reason for him to be able to stand up against hybrids gods and what nots..
This wasn't too shabby of an explanation.....well done ...well done indeed.
On a side note.....For most fans they consider any information presented in the manga that contradicts with information in the anime, they/we immediately consider the manga info to be the final answer. Perhaps this is why toriyama hasn't been keen to make another season of the anime....cause they butcher some of the key points like for example the ssj3 Goku and ssj2 trunks sparring match.
Great vid as always man! Honestly I wouldn't be suprised if Trunks still achieved SSJ2 WITHOUT the Kais. Vegeta trained by himself for seven years and unlocked SSJ2 so I dont see why Trunks couldnt do it especially considering he had a LOT more motivation than Vegeta did
Because logic doesn't exist anymore.
It never existed
Says the time skipping Zenkai boost.
anymore isn't the right word
:3
DBS logic turned to Pokemon logic.
Where there is no logic at all.
this is an awesome video I agree with you on all your aspects, I didn't know that ssj2 trunks was equal to ssj3 goku, it was my understanding that they were close to one another and if that were the case I could make sense of it but if they are supposedly equal then idk anymore lol
I've always been a huge fan geekdom you always come out with incredible content and I love it
keep it up man great work
thank you so much man!
you're very welcome brother (I am so surprised I got a response so thank you for that) believe me your channel is one of the handful that I personally go out of my way for to see whats going on lol I even put a few of my cousins onto your channel (we are all huge DB freaks lol) and they all enjoy your content very much (ironically one of my cousin's who's a big fan is named Danny as well just a fun fact to throw your way lol)
but I would love to have a discussion with you sometime in the future or just even spitball some theories and/or talk some bs lol jk (pipe dreaming here lol)
but enough rambling on my end have a great weekend man and I hope all is well
well its more canon to the manga then the anime. now in the manga, vegeta says that hes not transformed into ssj3 but that hes " almost " as strong as ssj3 in his powered up form. and in the anime, goku blocks his sword charge and spikes him to the ground. and since kaioken 10 blue goku is in the anime and not the manga, id say its more canon that ssj3 goku is stronger then ssj2 powered up trunks
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ShinRaphael yeah that's what I was lead to believe which in turn can show hiw I can sort of break it down in a way that kind of makes sense
For the record we all know power levels are bs but run with me on this and keep this fact in mind
ssb is to a point that can't be compared to the other ssj forms (1 to 3)
Vegeta being the one to say they are almost as strong as each other can be interpreted in this specfic way since he is so powerful
"The gap between Goku's ssj3 and Trunks' ssj2 is significant but if you compare it to Vegeta's ssb its such a small gap in power through his eyes or rather his perspective"
A perfect example is this
Vegeta's power when he got to Namek was 24000, and Dodoria had a power of 20000
There is a gap of 4000, its a pretty decent sized gap depending on perspective and Vegeta washed Dodoria easily
But to somebody like Frieza who has a power of 530,000 in his weakest form looks at such a gap as nothing
So imagine this (this is only an example)
Goku ssj3 = 500 billion
Trunks ssj2 = 475 billion
Vegeta ssb = 1 trillion
75 billion is a major gap, but to Vegeta that's really next to nothing if his power is 1 trillion
That's at least how I can make sense of it sorry for ranting on lol
Bruh,gohan's ultimate form in manga was able to keep up with KEFLA!I can't believe ssj rage would possibly put up a fight with kefla..Kefla is so strong that it took ui omen to put up an end to her!
Let's not forget that ......
*Spoiler Alert*
At that moment Vegeta had been critically injured. We all know that Sayins, especially half blooded Sayins are more powerful when they are fighting angry.
I hate this new TH-cam update for iOS, hate the comment section layout.
Same on android and I hate it tooo
I don't know how to comment to anyone else but the original comment or on android
iphones sucks
+Gogeta Ssgss he just said it happened to android too -__-
And i am lucky I didn't updated!!
WTF Rudeiepie didnt read it boy.
I didnt update that crap.
Unlike in the Dragon ball super anime trunks and the supreme kai were talking (latest chapter #25) fairly close to the beginning of the chapter that trunks was deemed a disciple of the supreme kai during the future dabura battle which was how he healed mai and gowasu so that could also mean that the kais either granted him power in a similar way to gohan or as a disciple kai/saiyan/human he unlocked another way to gain a power boost or something along those lines.
Episode 66 triggered me too much, this arc was so great but the ending was trash.
5:03 wheres donald trump at i need him to say wrong lmao
i wanted to see Vegito own his ass but noooo the power of friendship.
It was not the power of friendship. It was the power of hope of seeing tomorrow.
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Couldn't it be that he's suffered so much pain and loss that he tapped into that and it increased his strength?
This is just somewhat of a personal theory but I believe it holds some credit when you study Gohan's strength... Now while Gohan's strength when powered by emotion was only short bursts, it's never really been proven that it scales back down afterwards. He used it to attack Raditz, he used it against Freeza, and against Cell, each time there was no definite loss of power, except for not training after 7 years. All this can lead one to the conclusion that the reason for a human/saiyan hybrid to have more growth potential is that they can grow their power not only by physical injury but also by emotional injury.
Now in Trunks' case he was constantly losing people in the future, the one that pushed him to SSJ, Gohan, is the most notable. While most of the loss happened while Cell and the Androids were around, that doesn't mean it stopped there. He must've become close with some people who were then lost at the hands of Babidi and Dabura, including Supreme Kai and Kibito. All of that could have helped (I'm not saying that's the only way he got there ) him get that much stronger.
Also I think that it is important to note that Trunks mentioned that every time he fought Goku Black that Goku Black became stronger and stronger. In a sense, since they kept fighting multiple times, that was somewhat like having a training partner in addition to the fact that losing and being injured also gave him a zenkai boost each time.