Jufes making bank atm …. He’s bought out Jensens home and uses his kitchen for video releases. Thank you very much fellow channel supporters for making this possible 🥰💪👍😅😂🤣
Thanks man, I used to make way more informative content but unfortunately it doesn’t get as many clicks as drama ragebait stuff so it’s sparse nowadays
jufes be getting so rich of tuning peoples pc's that he bought up jensens kitchen btw maybe trying to fix one or two threadripper cpu waterblocks to the back could help pulling the heat out of the mobo completely back in the 3090 days i put one on my gpu backplate and it helped immensly, even with 3mm thermal pads on it
Jufes with a simple thermal camera can do what other channels won't with tens of thousands of dollars' worth of testing equipment, this is why I like this channel.
I have an older 9900k with DDR4 still and a Noctua D15. The first / front fan I took the bottom bracket off and ziptied it to the 5.25" cage (yes my case is an old one). CPU temps are virtually the same still as there is still the middle fan on the D15 while having good coverage over RAM. Got my CL15 3000Mhz RAM kit to CL14 3600Mhz + secondaries etc.
Those fans were made through whole DDR3 era, i don't even know any DDR3 which would actually need a RAM FAN for daily OC usage besides some OC records settings whereas DDR4 B-DIE needs it a lot and also DDR5. Weird that manufacturers didn't notice the need for a new RAM FAN.
They make a paste that replaces pads, it’s called K5-Pro, very viscous. Great having a tube lying in the tool kit when you don’t have the exact mm pad on hand.
Great vid showing the simple effectiveness of a fan over the ram. I have a fan over my ram and all my radiators are exhaust so only fresh air passes over the motherboard. Very effective
Hey Jufes, could you also try replacing the thermal Pad of the RAM stick while keeping the original Heatsink ? The comparison between "Stock vs New Thermal Pad vs Aftermarket Heatsink" could be very interesting.
@@gozutheDJ Yeah, I meant, for the next video. As he plan to replace the Heatsink. I personally like the design of G.Skill Trident Heatsink, but I've also read that having no Heatsink at all is sometimes better (especially with good airflow). So just curious if replacing the Stock Thermal Pad while keeping Stock Heatsink would be a nice option for both Aesthetic and Performance. I don't expect a big improvement though.
@@VincentDM1 yeah you’d likely see some benefit, bc the stock thermal pads are always junk pretty much so id expect you’d see some benefit moving from whatever it comes with which is probably a pad with 6 w/mK thermal conductivity to a pad with ~20 w/mK conductivity
You can only do it with the Kingston sticks or sticks that have screws attaching the plates, most stock ram uses double sided thermal tape so you have to glue the sinks back on, it’s messy and not worth it.
My case fans turn on at 60 Celsius CPU temps. 3 fans in the front and 1 in the back. The CPU cooler fan is running allways and blows enough air around to cool the MoBo and RAM down. Even if showeling just air around in the case, the CPU fan gets enough air moving to cool off things. I have the AM4 system. The 5900X processor however has to be undervolted in order to maintain it cool. On stock the 5900X hovers around 68 degrees Celsius and all the fans are running all the time annoyingly noisy. So undervolting to 0.1 Volts maintains the CPU below 50 degrees Celsius most of the time.
if you dont put two fans on the front of the case shouldn't the heatsink fan be positioned on the side of the heatsink so that it faces the fronr of the case and pulling air in, or should the heat sink fan be positioned facing the exhaust to push the heat out the back?
Noob question does 65535 trefi needs allot more voltage than 28000? I think im stable 6000 cl30-39-39-51 with vdd 1.45 and vddq 1.5 with 65535 i have been running karhu ram test for 1200 % no errors temps 53,3
Thank you Jufes, very helpful, for various reasons I have not been able to continue tuning my apex with a green a-die kit, I have reached 7600 max, I will make a note regarding the PCH temperature.
i recently found an actual use for timespy on 3d mark, when trying to get my bdie to 4000mhz on gear 1 (ddr4) with unstable timings, timespy would always crash before reaching the end of the cpu bench, that proves that even 3dmark can be useful for something
Had 70+ degrees on PCH on msi z690 tomahawk. Still have 70+ degrees on PCH on msi z790i edge (itx). Ppl say that lowering DMI (speed???) will lower PCH temps.
I put a fan above my dimms like at the end of the board blowing downward across the board and it dropped my ddr5 temps huge and kept anesthetics decent for the most part. Doesn't take much flow to fix ram temps.
Horrible STOCK PCH cooling solution.. You have to wonder if they are keeping these chipsets hot for a reason... so that they will not last as long... so you buy a new motherboard....
they used to use little pch fans but people complained about them incessantly for some reason so now afaik all boards are passively cooling pch consumers are retarded
I moved from a closed case to a bench table and I actually lost stability on the ddr5. This could be due to pch temp increase since my ddr5 are on liquid
My PCH runs a between 65-75c, it's very odd how it behaves day to day. Anyway I too was worried about it a while ago and did some research, 75c is acceptable but yeah from an OC perspective lower temps are better.
I have had nothing but issues with the 7900 XTX, bought two different brands and usually DDU every driver update when having issues. The 6800 XT/6950 XT, completely fine. I think the RX 6000 platform has matured to a point where it isn’t the rolling of the dice when you update your drivers, also COD Warzone is my main game and AMD usually punches 1-2 GPU tiers higher their class. Sapphire is an amazing board partner so I’m glad you had an awesome first experience.
Best question is for gaming spending hours and hours of overclocking and messing with performance test just buy good cpu and xmp ram and motherboard and play your game i have learned over thr year its not worth doing so much for 5 fps even 10 fps
I'd like to ask anyone who is heavy into tweaking a couple of questions involving how they tweak the power to computers & their parts. I know if with electric motors lowering the voltage to an electric motor will cause the motor to draw more current that will cause the motor to generate more heat crippling an electric motor's life span. Are the computers & parts being provided with more power than they need for some unknown reason, & decreasing their voltages does not increase their current draw but lowers it? Does anyone measure the devices current draw to see if their adjustments decrease or increase the device's current draw increasing the device's heat generation? Because if they did measure the current draw with a Current Meter, they'd be able to tweak a device to hopefully it's sweet spot & do no harm with ease. All they'd need is a Current Meter that measured down to the milliamp, & know where to test from while tweaking. If anyone does do this on TH-cam I've never seen it done, could be I've missed those videos being posted, anyone ever see it done or know what I am asking being asked before?
NVIDIA shoulda called the 4060 ti A true 4050 in reality , now we know the true potential from a small cut bus , NVIDIA thinks we gamers - streamers are dumb ... in 2023 ,( the new base standard should be 1440p) i told my kids the 3060 ti that i put long ago when i built theirs pcs.. i said , 4060 ti has no performance at all , however ,and even as kids they understood it just fine . they were laughing at it 🤣😂... They asked me to finally upgrade , So now getting two 6950 xt for them they are done with 1080p for good but . MAN... what a huge disappointment from Nvidia , Once again.... a joke.... SKIP this gen gamers ... Let their CEO take another PAY CUT soon.... To my beloved gaming cummunity... DO NOT GIVE NVIDIA YOUR MONEY .. skip this generation... to any nvidia fan boys out there... I feel sorry for you guys. .. what a joke !!!!!!!
Jufes making bank atm …. He’s bought out Jensens home and uses his kitchen for video releases. Thank you very much fellow channel supporters for making this possible 🥰💪👍😅😂🤣
I like this type of video. Informative, educational and scientific. Continue part two (on hold)
This is one of the best videos you've ever done. I love how it's fully on the informational side of things and done in a very well thought out format.
@@AndyU96 what are you talking about, PCH close to the 70-80C mark is high af, that's asking for trouble.
Thanks man, I used to make way more informative content but unfortunately it doesn’t get as many clicks as drama ragebait stuff so it’s sparse nowadays
@@Drix7 go make your own channel man
@@Drix7 Don't bother Narcissistic personality disorder.
Only when you praise him you know how it works ...
jufes be getting so rich of tuning peoples pc's that he bought up jensens kitchen
btw maybe trying to fix one or two threadripper cpu waterblocks to the back could help pulling the heat out of the mobo completely
back in the 3090 days i put one on my gpu backplate and it helped immensly, even with 3mm thermal pads on it
Would be curious how much a case with the case airflow would have helped
if you want more accurate readings with ur thermal camera , u should put like an black electric tape over the metal parts
Try to play with RTT, ProcODT, etc, to change current delivered to DiMM and reduce signal reflection.
Jufes with a simple thermal camera can do what other channels won't with tens of thousands of dollars' worth of testing equipment, this is why I like this channel.
Tech Yes City uses one too!
I have an older 9900k with DDR4 still and a Noctua D15.
The first / front fan I took the bottom bracket off and ziptied it to the 5.25" cage (yes my case is an old one). CPU temps are virtually the same still as there is still the middle fan on the D15 while having good coverage over RAM. Got my CL15 3000Mhz RAM kit to CL14 3600Mhz + secondaries etc.
Jufes got one of the best community in the tech space. Shout out to the Supporters.
The Z790 Apex comes with a small ram fan to mount to the board, I wonder if you can test that alone to see how much that little fan helps with temps.
My 8000 tuned ram is 40° max with that mini fan. Only while using tm5 it's much lower at stock. So not bad a maximum temp of 40°c
Those fans were made through whole DDR3 era, i don't even know any DDR3 which would actually need a RAM FAN for daily OC usage besides some OC records settings whereas DDR4 B-DIE needs it a lot and also DDR5. Weird that manufacturers didn't notice the need for a new RAM FAN.
Huge W. Supporters are the GOATs! 👏
They make a paste that replaces pads, it’s called K5-Pro, very viscous. Great having a tube lying in the tool kit when you don’t have the exact mm pad on hand.
Use upsiren up 6 or UX pro instead, performs better, easier to use and reuse and doesn’t seep oil like k5.
Or better laird 607
Still waiting for you to whip out a leather jacket
Great vid showing the simple effectiveness of a fan over the ram. I have a fan over my ram and all my radiators are exhaust so only fresh air passes over the motherboard. Very effective
Asus engineering strikes again
Hey Jufes, could you also try replacing the thermal Pad of the RAM stick while keeping the original Heatsink ?
The comparison between "Stock vs New Thermal Pad vs Aftermarket Heatsink" could be very interesting.
the whole point of this is so you don’t have to take the heatsinks off at all
but yes you could, but you might not see much benefit because memory heatsinks are designed for looks not actual performance
@@gozutheDJ Yeah, I meant, for the next video. As he plan to replace the Heatsink.
I personally like the design of G.Skill Trident Heatsink, but I've also read that having no Heatsink at all is sometimes better (especially with good airflow).
So just curious if replacing the Stock Thermal Pad while keeping Stock Heatsink would be a nice option for both Aesthetic and Performance. I don't expect a big improvement though.
@@VincentDM1 yeah you’d likely see some benefit, bc the stock thermal pads are always junk pretty much
so id expect you’d see some benefit moving from whatever it comes with which is probably a pad with 6 w/mK thermal conductivity to a pad with ~20 w/mK conductivity
You can only do it with the Kingston sticks or sticks that have screws attaching the plates, most stock ram uses double sided thermal tape so you have to glue the sinks back on, it’s messy and not worth it.
My case fans turn on at 60 Celsius CPU temps. 3 fans in the front and 1 in the back. The CPU cooler fan is running allways and blows enough air around to cool the MoBo and RAM down. Even if showeling just air around in the case, the CPU fan gets enough air moving to cool off things. I have the AM4 system. The 5900X processor however has to be undervolted in order to maintain it cool. On stock the 5900X hovers around 68 degrees Celsius and all the fans are running all the time annoyingly noisy. So undervolting to 0.1 Volts maintains the CPU below 50 degrees Celsius most of the time.
Great video again sir. Thanks for all the content!
yoooo this video is great. looking forward to more informational stuff, man.
I put a huge 3kg heatsink that covers whole backside of motherboard. Heatsink was cheap, 30$, but thermal pads were expensive.
if you dont put two fans on the front of the case shouldn't the heatsink fan be positioned on the side of the heatsink so that it faces the fronr of the case and pulling air in, or should the heat sink fan be positioned facing the exhaust to push the heat out the back?
Noob question does 65535 trefi needs allot more voltage than 28000?
I think im stable 6000 cl30-39-39-51 with vdd 1.45 and vddq 1.5 with 65535 i have been running karhu ram test for 1200 % no errors temps 53,3
Hey!awesome video! Can you share a tool that you use for temps monitoring please?
Thank you Jufes, very helpful, for various reasons I have not been able to continue tuning my apex with a green a-die kit, I have reached 7600 max, I will make a note regarding the PCH temperature.
i recently found an actual use for timespy on 3d mark, when trying to get my bdie to 4000mhz on gear 1 (ddr4) with unstable timings, timespy would always crash before reaching the end of the cpu bench, that proves that even 3dmark can be useful for something
What is the make and model of your thermal camera ?
Had 70+ degrees on PCH on msi z690 tomahawk. Still have 70+ degrees on PCH on msi z790i edge (itx). Ppl say that lowering DMI (speed???) will lower PCH temps.
Great stuff, thanks FC community
one of the very few channels were I force myself to not skip adds so he can make more money
great video jufes , cant wait to see one where your overclocking the x3d
what camera is that and can I get that but USB-C?
That apex Mobo comes with a 40mm fan for ddr5, I bet even at low rpms it would be enough for decent temps.
Finally a good informative video with not hidding buls... save time and have good value, I drop a like on my part!!
I put a fan above my dimms like at the end of the board blowing downward across the board and it dropped my ddr5 temps huge and kept anesthetics decent for the most part. Doesn't take much flow to fix ram temps.
I had to do the same, a fan dropped my RAM temp from over 50c to 25c.
Which softwares have been used to make the tests?
😂 jufes with the flir bouta drop precision ordinance on all so called "competitor's" 😂😂
Corsair doesn't make them anymore (ram coolers), but Alseye from Aliexpress does. :D
Im going to try and get a board with a decent back plate...
Z690 z790 Ultra Plus DDR5/4 have backplates too
Horrible STOCK PCH cooling solution.. You have to wonder if they are keeping these chipsets hot for a reason... so that they will not last as long... so you buy a new motherboard....
they used to use little pch fans but people complained about them incessantly for some reason so now afaik all boards are passively cooling pch
consumers are retarded
I moved from a closed case to a bench table and I actually lost stability on the ddr5. This could be due to pch temp increase since my ddr5 are on liquid
your ideas are good. I would try only the small pch heatsink without the big one or a selfmade heatsink with fan on top.
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I learned alot. Thank you goat.
On amd max ddr5 speed across all the current CPUs is 5800 Mt getting above that is above amd ddr5 spec
Can we get a satisfying pimple pop short from those two bad boys on your neck
Yes having a fan on is often needed to stabilize DDR5.
My PCH runs a between 65-75c, it's very odd how it behaves day to day.
Anyway I too was worried about it a while ago and did some research, 75c is acceptable but yeah from an OC perspective lower temps are better.
You forgot one bro ! turn of led on gskills ;) and you will see lower temps
Excellent video, more like this please.
Hp made a unit for workstations
Awsome like always thanks for keeping it real
For the algorithm!!!
Thanks Jufes!
Great video bud
I just put fan and have no problems
I have had nothing but issues with the 7900 XTX, bought two different brands and usually DDU every driver update when having issues. The 6800 XT/6950 XT, completely fine.
I think the RX 6000 platform has matured to a point where it isn’t the rolling of the dice when you update your drivers, also COD Warzone is my main game and AMD usually punches 1-2 GPU tiers higher their class.
Sapphire is an amazing board partner so I’m glad you had an awesome first experience.
36" Dacor Range in the background.
Fantastic video! Does any of this apply to DDR4 or is DDR4 just not that stressful.
Still applies but not as serious
thanks for the video mate
Best question is for gaming spending hours and hours of overclocking and messing with performance test just buy good cpu and xmp ram and motherboard and play your game i have learned over thr year its not worth doing so much for 5 fps even 10 fps
No game around right now, pushes any CPU Intel or amd much above 30% usage.
That's why people can run an 7800x3d 4.5ghz CPU etc and be fine with it.
@@zagan1 the last of us part 1: hold my beer
@@zagan1 not really lol guess you don't play games then
I'd like to ask anyone who is heavy into tweaking a couple of questions involving how they tweak the power to computers & their parts. I know if with electric motors lowering the voltage to an electric motor will cause the motor to draw more current that will cause the motor to generate more heat crippling an electric motor's life span.
Are the computers & parts being provided with more power than they need for some unknown reason, & decreasing their voltages does not increase their current draw but lowers it?
Does anyone measure the devices current draw to see if their adjustments decrease or increase the device's current draw increasing the device's heat generation?
Because if they did measure the current draw with a Current Meter, they'd be able to tweak a device to hopefully it's sweet spot & do no harm with ease.
All they'd need is a Current Meter that measured down to the milliamp, & know where to test from while tweaking. If anyone does do this on TH-cam I've never seen it done, could be I've missed those videos being posted, anyone ever see it done or know what I am asking being asked before?
I love this format, really professional, technical and easy to follow. Kudos!
Bro changed the background to jensens kitchen
I solved this by aiming a giant fan into my open case
Metal to metal contact is best and does not need thermal past or thermal pads. Screw them together
Very cool work
Shit for that matter amazon and Allie press has the fan coolers…not bad lookin either…
Check the oven, need to find the 4090 Ti.
9:38 - 9:40 😱😱😱
Asus 🔥🔥🔥
Silly question is the ram the issue or air flow SORRY SUPER NOOB
Best use xmp and play, why dealing with that technical shit.
Jensen kitchen 😂
Nice video.
Where is kitty?! Pointless with no kitty, need context lol
arctic F8 80mm fan for 3 bucks, thank me later
2C != 4-5C
NVIDIA shoulda called the 4060 ti A true 4050 in reality , now we know the true potential from a small cut bus , NVIDIA thinks we gamers - streamers are dumb ... in 2023 ,( the new base standard should be 1440p) i told my kids the 3060 ti that i put long ago when i built theirs pcs.. i said , 4060 ti has no performance at all , however ,and even as kids they understood it just fine . they were laughing at it 🤣😂... They asked me to finally upgrade , So now getting two 6950 xt for them they are done with 1080p for good but . MAN... what a huge disappointment from Nvidia , Once again.... a joke.... SKIP this gen gamers ... Let their CEO take another PAY CUT soon.... To my beloved gaming cummunity... DO NOT GIVE NVIDIA YOUR MONEY .. skip this generation... to any nvidia fan boys out there... I feel sorry for you guys. .. what a joke !!!!!!!