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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ค. 2024
- a late night talk about fear, failure, plateaus and everything in-between
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Chapters
0:00 an uneventful break
0:37 peaks & plateaus
2:17 what it takes
3:26 i want to get out of my head
3:51 fear of failure
4:30 why keep playing?
5:25 I can get better, but...
6:02 fighting YOUR demons
7:25 sitting with your thoughts
8:00 from one extreme to the next
8:50 a special thanks to my patreon member and donator
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When I take a break from players I live in the lab. I save video from all of my most catastrophic defeats and try to figure out how it happened. I have to conquer that so it can get worse when I move up to the next tier. Don't hate the people that smoke you. They are giving you real data to learn from. You will get schooled. Except it. We know we aren't the best. When I lose I accept that I might only ever be this good. Do I love this game? If so then I can deal with my losses with a laugh and a compliment to my opponent.
Can really recommend "The Inner Game of Tennis," particularly in light of your comments about wanting to get out of your head. It's a fantastic (and quite short, straight-to-the-point) book all about the mental game and a lot of stuff you talk about in your videos.
"Courage is not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear." - Nelson Mandela
You have to love seeing the wall more than you love seeing it crack and crumble at your feet. Its miserable and extremely difficult. But thats what makes it so rewarding and incredible as an experience. Commit and do what you have to do, even if in the present moment its not what you want to do.
this is why i stopped ranked and started playing long sets with people my skill level. more fun and you learn more! no risk high reward
Something I've been doing for myself lately is logging on to "insert fighting game here" to JUST have fun, I don't want to learn, I don't want to care about it I don't want to put effort I'm just gonna play this like a video game, and invariably I find myself in the lab working on things. I think the good attitude to get in to is that at the end of the day it's a video game, the other person across the internet is ALSO a person and you're both having fun playing something cool. Don't hate your opponents, no matter how cheesy and lame they are still a person and as such they deserve respect, when I stay respectful of everyone I play against I find myself not raging and staying positive. Just my two cents.
First, I wanted to just say thanks for making this video. Not to take away from your original discussion, I am at a bit of a transition point in life, big change in responsibilities in my field, and I have realized Im going to need to start getting out of the kind of head spaces and mentalities that have kept my knowledge and skill level where it is the last few years. I have been pretty successful but I know I am entering a whole new world where my mistakes/failures will matter a whole lot more and people will be relying on me, and I am terrified. I guess I am finally seeing what the people I look up to have been dealing with for this whole time and I just feel inadequate. Sorry for dumping but this video resonated with me, I am very much a noob at fighting games but I still got a lot out of this, so thank you for reminding me that Im not alone in this feeling. I guess all I could add to this discussion is that the grind is always there and the grind is important because without it, an MMR is just a number and a title is just words on a page. Good luck to you man.
Bro, i get it. I have the stupidest anxieties just hitting start game because it makes me so angry but so discouraged. I want a coach to push me or something, i love the game but my biggest holdback is me. Keep going man.
6:17 this type of honest talk is exactly why I'm so glad you're back at it like this man, proving to yourself and everyone out here that you're not alone with our anxieties about our passions ❤
It's super helpful for you and folks here (my self included!) To see and hear such candid talk. Keep on ✊
as someone that provides coaching for SF6, while me or anyone else could hear the things you're expressing and in response offer practical advice for you to break through the current plateau or the cycle of plateaus you personally experience, but what I get from hearing you out is less about not knowing what to do or what are you missing from taking the next appropriate step to level up, and instead this feels more about you giving yourself the space to just have a dialogue with yourself and allow yourself to see things for what they truly are, even if it is as painful as it can be.
Doesn't totally feel like the space where practical advice is needed, or even wanted, but instead being that very valuable step back to properly frame the emotions you're feeling, and getting perspective on everything that's lead up to here. Because I feel strongly, and can tell, that you most certainly have the capabilities as a player, and a mind of the resources available to you, that you will overcome the spot that you're currently facing.
And I love that you're taking the time to sit with yourself like that, and also doing it the way you've done by sharing it through a video. I feel like opening that channel of dialogue with others can really help people in a similar spot as you but didn't realize that this sort of reflection with themselves is what they need, or even how to do it, and videos like this will only make it easier for people to get in the habit of it and become better at it.
I rambled, apologies. Loved this video though, thank you!
definitely felt this a ton of times. but don't give up man, you will win against those thoughts. we are rooting for you!
Going through a plateau too (in Tekken), and I think I found something that looks like a solution this time. I stopped playing ranked for a week, and spend literally all of my game time in practice mode, purely grinding a mechanical skill. Like, three hours each night with a podcast, just grinding execution, not even talking to the online friends.
Just came out of the lab yesterday night, and noticed some very unusual clarity in my play; this got me to the next rank bracket. I could analyze the opponent again, I made mental notes of what my opponent did, and was much more conscious when applying my own reactions. The skill I was actually training for did not get any use (the whole training regiment was a complete failure - I still cannot do it) but the break from constant stress gave me some mental space to drop my own pride down a few notches.
The solution is to get a change of scenery. Find another way to play the game. Something that isn't ranked.
This comment is gold man. I'm in the same situation (Garyu rank to give some contest) and I think I got to a plateau. Like you said, and your comment made me think about it, it's time to take a break and do single player stuff or practice, even if I don't really like the practice session.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Always something new to lab, Always something new to drill,
Always a new group to run sets with.
You got this, man. I've had to take breaks with life feeling overwhelming. Keep watching and learning on the break.
My partner started dancing semi professionally and more recently professionally, one conversation I have had with her often is the idea of using the failures as something to overcome. More specifically the idea that her favorite dancers have fallen out of more turns than she has ever even attempted.
I’ve been able to draw a lot of parallels between her practice routines (and what emotions those draw out) and gaming improvement.
I think I need to make an effort to point out to myself what my “turns” are in game. The extremes issue you brought up I feel a lot. I try to consolidate my thoughts to help myself process the emotions, but I often get ahead of myself. Maybe trying to talk through games more might help with that. I see players much better than me pointing out when their opponents chose a good option. It’s hard to frame things for myself in that way in the heat of the moment, though.
Happy to see I got a shoutout! Haha
The amount of comments you get on a video in such a short amount of time is truly insane - people love hearing you talk man. Keep it up.
no man can wear one face to himself and another to the multitude without finally getting bewildered as to which may be true
I’m in the same boat at the minute hovering around 1250-1300MR and being actually good seems a lifetime away, strongly considering stopping fighting games all together for my own mental health
I feel this heavily. I main cammy too, so i feel all of this. I surpassed the Plat 1 wall on sf6, but I gotta learn more things to get to diamond but it's so easy to let the ranked points or letting a couple losses demotivate me to learn.
I'm using tekken, apex, and work hours as excuses to not be in the lab 😅 but I really want to get better at sf6, it's really fun.
I just went to a local tournament, not to enter bracket but just to hang out and do casual sets and it rejuvenated my interest into the game. Now it's just about getting through the fear bit
I really do appreciate these brief moments of introspection and believe they can be healthy if you dont let it consime you, which i often do 8:15 is a good example of hoe my mind can be even if im well aware of it
I typed this at 5am before work don't judge my typos bruh 😭
The bottom line about it all is to have fun with it if you stop having fun then switch it up to something you not gonna take to serious like another character or play random just to free up the mental atress
I really resonate with the can't stomach failure part. I'm a pretty lousy Manon player but I'm nearly at master rank. I stopped playing when I was less than 1000 lp away and I started having bad anxiety about playing ranked again. The thought of finally crossing the threshold into the ranked mode where your placement actually means something was almost paralyzing. It kinda reminded me of my favorite simpsons episode "Bart Gets an F". I really am just afraid of putting in all this time trying to learn and get better and still be a lousy player at the end of the day
I've been going to my locals every monday for the past 5 months. I've finished second or 3rd every single one. I'm grinding so much but I don't feel like I can breaktrhough, even on ranked. I keep falling out of 1400 MR. I feel helplees, I've watched replays, labbed, worked the MU. Either I'm doing something wrong, or I just don't get it.
Yeah, it'll get better.
I also like complaining. I can't focus on implementing things at my level its taking me weeks to burn shit into my gameplan. Kinda frustrating.
@andylo2 our brain has to physically push itself to make new neural connections, which is why ascending past a plateau can feel impossible each time. this is my experience after having reached the low-intermediate stage where i can no longer flowchart, yet can't reliably counter neither strong opp flowcharts nor those beyond. free games are done & it makes me question my further investments in this. all natural, still difficult to deal with
I have a huge phobia of playing ranked online matches. I likely never will, but if I was really into street Fighter 6 all that much (maybe Ed will in inspire an old USF4 Rog player) I would try to break that hurdle. Maybe this is my mental plateau. Im more of a locals type of guy so transitioning completely to online play is new.
have you seen zaf's video about zooming out?
love your content and i enjoy when you just talk things out
Fighting games is life fr
I spent almost my entire SFV career(?) paced right alongside you, and find myself right where you are in rating and mental in SF6 too.
Lets race to 1800MR? Maybe a rivalry is what I need to push harder.
Hey, Check out ProblemX's post win interview of the Capcom Cup last chance qualifier. He talks about how he was struggling to find his place in SF6, it was really nice to see someone at that level that went through a similar experience with Street Fighter.
Thank you for sharing. I always hit a plateau at intermediate level in the game, and trying to understand what should I do or get better at, and change my mindset.
A break it's always useful.
When I take a break, I make it my duty to watch as much high level match footage as possible. That way I am still engaging with the game, seeing new ways of approaching the games/strategies, but also it serves as a IV, a lifeline to the game. I always watch so much match footage that it makes me want to play the game again. I used to ignore all FG content when I took breaks and it killed my motivation. This way keeps me locked and loaded.
Man I feel this so much 😭
Just the other day I had an excellent session with multiple FT10 sets with a friend of mine whos better than me at the game. We started of pretty equal ending up at 9-9, last match deciding .. but eventually my frustration would get the better of me and at the end of our session he would wreck me 3-10 or smth like that.
We talked afterwards about it and he pointed out to me how I am my own worst enemy.
"I'd wake up DP and you would get frustrated and you totally ignore that I am still in the corner, have 30% life left and just spend 2 bars, while you're midscreen, almost full drive and have 80% life left, what are you frustrated about?? You're still winning!"
Was a real eye opener, how I myself perceive the situation I am in way worse than it actually is. Maybe I am getting better, but I am constantly measuring myself against an unreachable standard of perfect play. Do I really think a MenaRD or a Tokido is never getting hit by a wakeup reversal?
Am I striving to be a player that never gets reversaled? Never loses a round? Never gets hit? It is not about at what point this line of questioning becomes unrealistic.. The whole line of question is the problem.
The best of the best players lose CONSTANTLY. There's only ever 1 winner at the end of a tournament. Everybody else lost. So why am I this allergic to losing? Is taking accountability for my loses what keeps me from improving..? Maybe that is the question I should persue.
this gave me a new perspetive on life thank you
Everyone gets burnt out sometimes. But I feel like in SF you can always grind more hours to improve (even if the improvement becomes slow). In Valorant it doesn't matter how much you play. The skill ceiling is so high that there is always someone that will out aim you or react faster. And in Val I feel like you're eventually limited by your physical ability (reaction, dexterity, coordination, age) at a certain point.
Id say you have to figure it out. Am i content with my current skill set ? Will improving make me enjoy the game more ? Do i want to invest all that time in the game ? Basicly are you in peace and acceptance with what it takes to get better. Does it affect youre personal life health or what ever it may be ?
Ganbare! Never give up! I came across this only seeing your vids about leverless controllers. I could sense and feel the emotions and frustrations you're going through sincerely. Focus on the positives and build upon them. I'm a casual but do want to attain a certain level of competency. I understand that and accept the position of viewing as everything is a lesson, win or lose.
Being frustrated is alright, it means you want to understand and get better. Having fear is okay too, it means you're human. Don't give up! Just openly talking about it is the right step. I don't even know you or anything but know this, believe in your self and when it gets tough, just know out there this random dude commenting on your vid believes you in!
i would recommend that if you’re feeling burnt out on a game, try a new game or other hobby for a week-month until that gets tired out and then go back to the original game. thats how i’ve managed to get hundreds of hours in multiple games by doing this cycle-type thing (just me tho). i usually grind games for 1-2 months and then move to the next, repeat and maybe go back and yea
reading this back its kinda nonsensical but u get the gist lol
Smallest bro just won a local and still thinks he's not enough for anything
I been playing with a broken controller it’s making play different and better..
I tip that PhiDX a tekken pro, did stuff like focusing on your breathing during match’s.
You've got to allow yourself to fail dude. Failing is a part of life. Only through failing can you learn and find sucess. Fear of failing is preventing you from enjoying the game. If watching yourself lose point is what's giving you anxiaty then turn that UI element off. Don't look at it. Don't let imaginary digital numbers dictate if you're having fun or not.
Don't look at your points, train and analyza your replays. Measure your sucess by entering weeklys and tournaments. Don't watch your ranked/master points.
Im not a fan of the auto heat engage buttons In Tekken 8. Some of the heat attacks go into full like hit grab animations and its jarring that like forward Plus 2 or 3 does that on its own.
For me in tekken I’m in the purple ranks, and man high lvl tekken players make u feel like u can’t do shit against them, every thing gets shut down.
For sf6, I can vs and beat 1700mr players, even tho I’m only 1600mr, idk for sf6 it’s just finding optimal setups for me.
I took a break which ended up becoming a super long break, and instead found peace. I really like it but its really frustrating, if I continue playing fr like I was doing, I am dropping Dhalsim, because I am just becoming a Sim player instead of a strong player. There's top level Dhalsims but even for them it looks like is too much work with low reward, its frustrating to see. However, in my case, it is not my character's fault. I have this misconception on how Street Fighter type games should play but SF6 doesn't. I just need to accept the game as is it
I highly doubt I'll grind fr again on this game. I dislike how aggressive it is in general because it feels so out of control.
I bought tekken 8 and... i realized I only liked Tekken 7 because Akuma was there. *sigh*
Have you been in one of Fchampryan's streams? He always says the L is a free lesson.
You clearly love fighting games but you seem to be trying to emulate a personality type that thrives on competition. I am a die hard casual. I play pretty good because I am just as entertained by my opponents cool combos as I am when I land my own cool combos. Fighting games have one winner and one loser. Accept that and breathe. Relax from your shoulders to your fingertips and play. You have to stay calm and figure out your opponents. If you get angry you get tunnel vision. Once that happens you lose sight of your opponent and lash out with a lesser version of your usual gameplan. At the beginning of every match I remind myself that my opponent might win through either luck or skill. I can only play my best. Playing my best requires a relaxed mentality. If a game tells you promotion or demotion chance most people play worse. Why? Are your hands shaking afterwards? Are you sweating? You payed good money to play this game. Relax. Breathe. Maybe win😄
Love your mentality, I was a super casual growing up. Trying to be competitive frustrated me, and now I'm back in my happy casual mindset and playing better when I'm just enjoying the game.
@@hyperbison I've been playing since 1984 with arcade Karate Champ. I spent an extra 25cents every time I lost. Getting tilted cost me more money. This continued until the PS1 era when I could I could finally play arcade quality games on a home system. I literally lost money every time I got tilted and played bad. When the competition always cost you money you tend to confront your irrational thoughts more aggressively.