On the demands of society and a life of total freedom | J. Krishnamurti
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Saanen 1984 - Question #4 from Question & Answer Meeting #1
'How can one reconcile the demands of society with a life of total freedom?'
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This is a complex question that requires more time to do it full justice. Most employers are selfish, the agenda of most companies and institutions is a selfish agenda. Yet a person needs to survive, acquire the resources that would allow him to live in moderate comfort. The person (oftentimes) must support a family. So on a purely practical level one needs to address the question of how a person can survive and support the family without being sucked into the world's selfishness. Perhaps the person's only option is to work independently. But typically that requires great skill and talent; the possibility of failure is that much greater; it's a far less stable situation, far riskier. Yet the person's family needs him and he needs to survive. Most people are neither creative nor resourceful enough to live that kind of life well.
I think what he meant was that: as we accept the things which we do as you said out of fear, insecurity the pattern will continue we must revolt inwardly (so that our actions are not guided by them) against fear, ambition, greed which is the cause behind society.
I'm gonna come at you hard-from the future
K answered completely- he threw 'bones' in our direction. And then you pipe off with some complexity bullshit you personally have not overcome. Had you just considered and carefully listened, you could never say it's complex.
Maybe he suggested renunciation?
Farming,agriculture Also easy access way not problematic for all
Good one... 👍 I love when he sheds light on the tricky ego.
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Thank you.
Real educators invite students to question and gain diverse experiences. Implanting beliefs and assumptions is not educational, it is political. That is why even something as simple as passing the benefits of ethical behavior to our children gets complicated when fear and memory is used rather than sensitivity and curiosity. I still learn from Krishnamurtti but notice even he conflates ethics with beliefs in rare statements.
Glad, I found this video !
Have not quite witnessed him being this livid (in parts and in his own way). Brilliant as always.
As usual Mr k sir iz ROCKING
Such precious TH-cam Channel. Thank you all for the amazing job and effort to keeping his words alive. Thank you.
Wauw throughout life I’ve observed the same thing..
Truth in its total nakedness.once realised u r freedom, without any bondage,it may cost u your life,but truth is such.
Classic man...mm
I'll need to watch this a couple more times before it really sinks in.
His every speech and video needs multiple views and listening to sink them in deeply 🙏
I usually gather more insights each time I read his books or hear his recordings, it's an amazing experience that never gets old.
K. "The search for security is being destroyed by our division. It is so clear. I do not know...."
A joke from Hellas,
A young man form a very small village bought a car and decided to visit the capital.
He had never seen so many cars, traffic lights, complex entrances... and listening music loudly form a radio station
he entered to the most ventral busy avenue but from the OPPOSITE direction.... the radio station was positioned in that road too,
and the radio music producer from the windows of the studio was witnessing the total chaos... so the producer announced
"Attention, there is one CRAZY MAN driving opposite direction, do not enter TO THE CENTRAL AVENUE"
The young man listened the announcement form the radio, stepped out from the car and screamed
"HEY!! NOT ONLY ONE, THERE ARE MILLIONS OF THEM..."
Thanks for sharing. This is the blinding quality of self-righteousness.
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Yo Jiddu!
He says "We need to be reeducated on how we are caught in words". There is much more to this comment and others made in different videos. Let me be clear K said in another video that there must be inner freedom first then the outer and I understand why. Now I would like to talk about freedom on the outside. There is a relation with that comment in its pertaining to the law. I would like to discuss this with someone who has a good grasp on this(preferably not a lawyer for they cannot be trusted). I think I get it I am just unsure of the implementation.
Interesting how you know in beforehand who can be trusted. Trust yourself to be able to find out each time anew. And lawyers are not all the same and especially not if outside of the US where a lot of (confirmed,) prejudice might be prevalent.
It's very clever to want to discuss with someone who has studied law, provided they took a deep interest into its function, principles of legal systems and limitations.
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It can hide in being Speaker, sitting on chair and answering questions! Oh, no! really very subtle.
god speaks.. though the speaker would not agree!
Bonjour, dommage qu'il n'y ait pas de traduction
Krishnamurti is beautiful. But it needs to be made clear how we all are society, how we all have created it. In some ways the point is already clear. Beyond dispute. Yet what of the child born into a particular country? Has he created the country? The ways of the country clearly preceded the birth of the child. It would be fair to say that the child gets indoctrinated, conditioned by the country - and the process begins long before the child knows what's happening, long before it has developed the capacity to engage in thoughtful investigation. One can observe that little children (usually) don't as yet possess the ability to question the ways of society. Typically they just want to play, and begin to cry or complain when their parents don't allow them to do as their instincts would compel them to do. However, it may be claimed that as children grow and their brains develop, they also begin contributing to the conditioning of the society. Yes, they help to create and extend the conditioning.
Yes, agree with your reasoning, as we cannot choose where we are born, into which family/country/religion we are born, and we inevitably get indoctrinated during our upbringing, both by parents and society (I'm simplifying, obviously, as there's much more to this).
However, I'm quite certain Krishnamurti had a different perspective to this question - yes, it is impossible to introduce changes in one generation, but the changes can be made through several generations.
Through his public talks and his books, Krishnamurti influenced many people who did start to look at life differently applying these views not only on their life but also into upbringing of their children.
Tbh, I am not optimistic that it will be enough to change the society (and humanity in general) on a large scale, but my view is quite unimportant here.
@Yacov and @toninof
Reading both these comments was educational. I am unable to contribute on this matter yet but i do appreciate ur ideas. Makes anyone who reads this wonder about the whole process. I guess JK has more to say on this too. 🙏
It is very simple. We are product of whatever been left behind, not only through consciousness means but also unconsciously. That is just continuing and taking birth as new child, almost all human children are compatible with prevailing society in almost all aspects.
Wherever the child is born....the society everywhere is same ...as jiddu already said before all human consciousness is same....now wherever the child is born, he/she with Thier own reasoning must reject all those comical activities with Thier own reasoning. Or else become a clone . Very simple.....and though the child is born...but it carries the brain and consciousness of the whole humanity. Like a tiger cub will be a like tiger... simple.... anyways not to offend you....but your reasoning is very stupid....
Friend careful of of your thinking it is quite limited ,and don't manufacture explanation friend be careful especially regarding kids just saying have patience my friend ,don't generalise just saying careful what you are saying in public .
Can anyone plz explain me his message in this video.....i didn't understood
He leaves a lot out in this segment. Like the laws of harsh consequence.
How can one gain freedom while expected to work for a wage and survival? Become a cryptic guru and speak at conferences
9 to 5???
9 to 9?
Did anything change as a result of his talks?.
I'm sure, but how, I don't know. Personally, I have changed, I know that.
Correction: Did you change (or change anything) as a result of your acceptance or rejection of his talks? ;-)