I'd heard this many years ago, and despite the seriousness of what went on, it made for hilarious listening, back then and now. Very lucky and alert pilot!
As a former Lear 35A pilot there are many unanswered questions. There should have been a recognizable decompression alarm. Quick don oxygen masks put on and an emergency descent to a safe altitude. None of which seem to have been done here.
I don't understand why they were told to descend and not to immediately put on the oxygen mask first ... I would have descended after that as a second task to be given.
My guess is she knew at that point the captain likely didn't have the faculties to do such a complicated task. Changing flight level however is just a turn of a dial and can be done far faster. Even if he passed out afterwards he would have woken up.
What if there was a problem with the oxygen system? What if the oxygen was depleted? What if the mask was not working? All unknowns. The only fact they could rely on was that at 10000 ft, they would be get plenty of oxygen no matter what.
I dont know what was more painful, them having hypoxia or the controller sitting there not recognizing it and letting them keep flying at that altitude. Clearly if a pilots speech is that slurred something is majorly wrong and they need to start an emergency decent.
Good lord, how clueless are the controller and the other pilot not to identify hypoxia immediately! Painful to listen to the cluelessness. He should have immediately instructed pilot to don oxygen mask and to set autopilot to 10,000 feet in case he passed out.
The graphics of your videos are sooo realistic! Right down to the video of the takeoff and initial climb out….taken by an amateur cameraman who ’lost’ sight of the jet in the viewfinder!😉😂👍🇨🇦
That controller McCombs was CLUELESS! He NEEDS to be retrained ASAP! And I and others wonder why he did NOT recognize the signs of severe hypoxia in the pilots. TOTALLY UNSAT, as we used to say in the Marine Corps.
The aircraft could not have been fully depressurized. At 32000 feet you blackout in seconds and die in minutes. Found that when going through the altitude chamber. Why no crew oxygen or cabin altitude warning on these? I think Lear jets had a history of pressurization problems,
3:19 - Autopilot disconnect warning tone, 3:23 - cabin depressurization alarm tone. But you have to be quick enough to react to it in and get the mask on in a few seconds or the hypoxia kicks in. And since the two warnings were near enough to simultaneous, it implies that the cabin had already seriously depressurized before the alarm went off. Remember, the copilot was unconcious when he slumped on the controls and triggered the autopilot warning, so the cabin altitude must have been well above the normal 14,000 feet warning setting for him to have blacked out, yet the cabin altitude warning didn't go off until the copilot was unconcious! Was it mis-set, or faulty? We don't know that from the video. Hopefully, whatever the cause was, it"s been fixed....
@@brianspencer6397 I Did not hear the warnings but they had to have them. You have to be fast. That is why the Sweep on Mask was designed. What I am saying is the cabin was holding some pressure and not depressurized to 30000 feet. A B747 will hold pressure with the 10 inch ground air conditioning duct open. I learned this when I had to talk with our London flight circling over LAS unable to descend without dropping the masks.
@@jayreiter268 Since the two warnings were near enough to simultaneous, it implies that the cabin had already seriously depressurized before the alarm went off. Remember, the copilot was unconcious when he slumped on the controls and triggered the autopilot warning, so the cabin altitude must have been well above the normal 14,000 feet setting for him to have blacked out, yet the cabin altitude warning didn't go off until the copilot was unconcious! Was it mis-set, or faulty? We don't know that from the video. Hopefully, whatever the cause was, it"s been fixed....
@@brianspencer6397 I do not know the Lear Jet. But if the cabin ascends to 14000 feet in a Boeing or L1011 you will get the warning and drop the masks. That is even if the pressurization holds that altitude. The warnings on Airliners must be better and the pressurization more reliable. I know I black out in 26 seconds at 36000 feet. I know I would have died in 10 min if there was no monitor to apply my mask. That is some of what you learn in the altitude chamber. The co pilot did not die and the pilot maintained some ability. The Lear has history of pressurization incidents.
@@jayreiter268 Most pressurized aircraft seem to use 14,000 feet as the alarm level, and to hold about 8,000 feet as the normal cabin pressure when the air starts to get thin at altitude. But the fact that the copilot blacked out BEFORE the alarm triggered indicates that there was a problem with both the pressurization AND the warning system, so maybe the older Lears need to have someone take a good long look at the whole pressurization system, as yes, they definitely do seem to have more than their fair share of problems there.
The TRUE hero was Stephanie Bevins, NOT Jay McCombs. She had to tell him what to do, as he seemed clueless and did NOT recognize the situation for what it was.
No doubt! As soon as I read their name on the screen I thought, man they sure get a lot of press on these type of channels showing airplanes doing bad things, people doing bad things with airplanes. Connie Kalitta and his son Scott raced top fuel quarter mile drags for years. That is not a motorsport for the poor or the timid; apparently there's decent income to be made in air freight and lear jets.
We know from experience that had this been in Europe or Australia, the second thing from the controller would have been "oxygen mask on, descend to 10000 immediately". Instead in freedom country this garbage is allowed to continue for several life threatening minutes.
Yes that controller who said about mike be careful his speech was slured and he sounded breathless conyroller still ssid instrument problem fidnt snyone think to say uou doundvunwell do the secrn ftom hundred bit a few times ask thrm to look at nsil beds of their hands, foreheads of each other, lops they al, turn mottled when oxygrn level is low they were in a very serious situation that AtC missed so they beed more training if pilot at this point had said i feel better they sounded normal i guess they still beeded a chrck up snd finding out what happened is there not a wireless finger monitor like tgey put on your finger sonething that xan be put in sll plains that go above 20,000 feet so it gives pilots an audible alarm if theres oxygen issue
Glad to see an actual picture of the 2 heroes!! Way to go guys!!
Wow! That controller saved their lives!
I'd heard this many years ago, and despite the seriousness of what went on, it made for hilarious listening, back then and now. Very lucky and alert pilot!
From all the sad tragic endings this was awesome , they had an angel on board
Yes and one on the ground - God bless you Stephanie ❤
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As a former Lear 35A pilot there are many unanswered questions. There should have been a recognizable decompression alarm. Quick don oxygen masks put on and an emergency descent to a safe altitude. None of which seem to have been done here.
This was a nail biter.
Also, your animations are getting better all the time! (They’ve always been very good, but the improvement is fantastic!)
Thanks!
I don't understand why they were told to descend and not to immediately put on the oxygen mask first ... I would have descended after that as a second task to be given.
I was wondering that too.
My guess is she knew at that point the captain likely didn't have the faculties to do such a complicated task. Changing flight level however is just a turn of a dial and can be done far faster. Even if he passed out afterwards he would have woken up.
@@HyperionTwo Agree. But why the heck tell them to descend to 26k? At that point it would have been super urgent to get to 10k no?
@@bluecoffee8414 yes, also I was wondering about that too
What if there was a problem with the oxygen system? What if the oxygen was depleted? What if the mask was not working? All unknowns. The only fact they could rely on was that at 10000 ft, they would be get plenty of oxygen no matter what.
I dont know what was more painful, them having hypoxia or the controller sitting there not recognizing it and letting them keep flying at that altitude. Clearly if a pilots speech is that slurred something is majorly wrong and they need to start an emergency decent.
Emotional video. Blessings Amen 🙏
Happy to see the send it on a good note
Lear 35 cargo? What’s the cargo, a loaf of bread?
Good lord, how clueless are the controller and the other pilot not to identify hypoxia immediately! Painful to listen to the cluelessness. He should have immediately instructed pilot to don oxygen mask and to set autopilot to 10,000 feet in case he passed out.
Exactly what I was thinking. It's also troubling that the crew never got a cabin altitude warning.
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No sabía del canal en inglés! Estaba buscando este vuelo en el canal principal, pero no lo encontré...puede ser que no esté?
Probably the same issue that doomed the Payne Stewart Lear 35 in 1999.
Good job!
I almost had another heart attack listening to the audio! They were so close to death!
The graphics of your videos are sooo realistic! Right down to the video of the takeoff and initial climb out….taken by an amateur cameraman who ’lost’ sight of the jet in the viewfinder!😉😂👍🇨🇦
You would think that it’s a pretty simple thing to have the autopilot automatically descend to 10,000 feet when depressurization occurs.
That controller McCombs was CLUELESS! He NEEDS to be retrained ASAP! And I and others wonder why he did NOT recognize the signs of severe hypoxia in the pilots. TOTALLY UNSAT, as we used to say in the Marine Corps.
The aircraft could not have been fully depressurized. At 32000 feet you blackout in seconds and die in minutes. Found that when going through the altitude chamber. Why no crew oxygen or cabin altitude warning on these? I think Lear jets had a history of pressurization problems,
3:19 - Autopilot disconnect warning tone, 3:23 - cabin depressurization alarm tone. But you have to be quick enough to react to it in and get the mask on in a few seconds or the hypoxia kicks in. And since the two warnings were near enough to simultaneous, it implies that the cabin had already seriously depressurized before the alarm went off. Remember, the copilot was unconcious when he slumped on the controls and triggered the autopilot warning, so the cabin altitude must have been well above the normal 14,000 feet warning setting for him to have blacked out, yet the cabin altitude warning didn't go off until the copilot was unconcious! Was it mis-set, or faulty? We don't know that from the video. Hopefully, whatever the cause was, it"s been fixed....
@@brianspencer6397 I Did not hear the warnings but they had to have them. You have to be fast. That is why the Sweep on Mask was designed. What I am saying is the cabin was holding some pressure and not depressurized to 30000 feet. A B747 will hold pressure with the 10 inch ground air conditioning duct open. I learned this when I had to talk with our London flight circling over LAS unable to descend without dropping the masks.
@@jayreiter268 Since the two warnings were near enough to simultaneous, it implies that the cabin had already seriously depressurized before the alarm went off. Remember, the copilot was unconcious when he slumped on the controls and triggered the autopilot warning, so the cabin altitude must have been well above the normal 14,000 feet setting for him to have blacked out, yet the cabin altitude warning didn't go off until the copilot was unconcious! Was it mis-set, or faulty? We don't know that from the video. Hopefully, whatever the cause was, it"s been fixed....
@@brianspencer6397 I do not know the Lear Jet. But if the cabin ascends to 14000 feet in a Boeing or L1011 you will get the warning and drop the masks. That is even if the pressurization holds that altitude. The warnings on Airliners must be better and the pressurization more reliable.
I know I black out in 26 seconds at 36000 feet. I know I would have died in 10 min if there was no monitor to apply my mask. That is some of what you learn in the altitude chamber.
The co pilot did not die and the pilot maintained some ability. The Lear has history of pressurization incidents.
@@jayreiter268 Most pressurized aircraft seem to use 14,000 feet as the alarm level, and to hold about 8,000 feet as the normal cabin pressure when the air starts to get thin at altitude. But the fact that the copilot blacked out BEFORE the alarm triggered indicates that there was a problem with both the pressurization AND the warning system, so maybe the older Lears need to have someone take a good long look at the whole pressurization system, as yes, they definitely do seem to have more than their fair share of problems there.
The TRUE hero was Stephanie Bevins, NOT Jay McCombs. She had to tell him what to do, as he seemed clueless and did NOT recognize the situation for what it was.
Just another Kalitta adventure
No doubt! As soon as I read their name on the screen I thought, man they sure get a lot of press on these type of channels showing airplanes doing bad things, people doing bad things with airplanes. Connie Kalitta and his son Scott raced top fuel quarter mile drags for years. That is not a motorsport for the poor or the timid; apparently there's decent income to be made in air freight and lear jets.
Why aren't there O2 and pressure sensors in the cockpits??
Hey! We just woke up from hypoxia! Break out the scotch!
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Had to fast forward because this was too stressful to watch not knowing the successful outcome
Why didn’t the oxygen masks deploy automatically??
We know from experience that had this been in Europe or Australia, the second thing from the controller would have been "oxygen mask on, descend to 10000 immediately".
Instead in freedom country this garbage is allowed to continue for several life threatening minutes.
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Yes that controller who said about mike be careful his speech was slured and he sounded breathless conyroller still ssid instrument problem fidnt snyone think to say uou doundvunwell do the secrn ftom hundred bit a few times ask thrm to look at nsil beds of their hands, foreheads of each other, lops they al, turn mottled when oxygrn level is low they were in a very serious situation that AtC missed so they beed more training if pilot at this point had said i feel better they sounded normal i guess they still beeded a chrck up snd finding out what happened is there not a wireless finger monitor like tgey put on your finger sonething that xan be put in sll plains that go above 20,000 feet so it gives pilots an audible alarm if theres oxygen issue