Man did ANYONE on board have any common sense to think "gee this isn't a fighter jet, maybe a barrel roll is a bad idea."? To die so needlessly on an otherwise perfectly flying aircraft. Total pilot error.
Not so much pilot error as depending on his skill negligence incompetence ignorance not really an error in the sense of the word I would consider for piloting, certainly and despicable airmanship
i'm also quite lost here, because it said they're testing the collapsed nose gear being fixed or not, so why did they need to perform the left/right turn before executing the barrel roll?
"Common aerobatics do not over stress an aircraft. Recovery from poorly executed maneuvers can." Tom Weis. My instructor. This guy let his nose down and fell out of the maneuver. Well he must have had nose up back pressure when inverted. A roll is a dance with all three controls. "Tex" Johansen rolled the Boing 80 and said it was a one G maneuver.
@@williampotter2098 That is done with a smooth coordinated application of aileron, rudder and elevator. The elevator neutralizes and reverses as the aircraft inverts. As my instructor once sad "Notice how the airspeed builds in this attitude. Cut the throttle back on the yoke, DON'T PULL THE WINGS OFF! I had fallen out of a simple maneuver. The airspeed was well into the yellow. I think the Russian had the same as the aircraft inverted.
@@jayreiter268 Yes, I was trained in the USAF. We did that in 4-ship formation in T-38s. And I fell out of many barrel rolls while learning. It's harder than it looks.
It’s a well known story in aviation that, in 1955 Boeing test pilot Tex Johnston performed a barrel roll with a new 707. During the roll a +1 g acceleration was maintained, allowing for the famous pouring a drink while inverted. The trick is in the pilots skill and knowledge of aerodynamics. This accident seems to fit perfectly with pervasive macho attitudine in Russian colture.
its happened in the US too . the Braniff accident in 1959 in a brand new 707 ..A barrel roll by a Boeing test pilot to impress the Braniff pilots on board . there were no commercial passengers much like this flight .. and three engines were ripped off .. however there were some survivors who went to the back of the aircraft .
That was not a barrel roll, that was an improperly executed aileron roll. If done by the numbers, it is not a particularly dangerous maneuver. 1. Pitch the nose up (the pilot didn't pitch up at all), 2. RELAX the back pressure, and 3. apply maximum aileron in the direction of the roll. It takes a surprising degree of nose up attitude for a plane with a slow rate of roll as once the back pressure is released, the nose will drop towards the ground all the way through the maneuver. The next major mistake some pilots make is to not relax the back pressure on the yoke when starting the roll. That turns the maneuver into a sort of barrel roll with the nose pitching all through the maneuver such that as the aircraft reaches the inverted position half way through the maneuver, the pilot is actually pulling the nose towards the ground, resulting in an extreme nose down attitude as the roll is completed. This mistake likely caused the loss of a Navy EA-6B on a low level training flight near Spokane some years ago.
Bob is correct - at no time should the load on the aircraft exceed 1.5 G. The pilot should know the correct entry speed, (I'll bet it's not in the flight manual!) and ensure that the aircraft is at that speed before lowering the nose a little in a left bank for a right barrel roll. The nose is then raised while the aircraft is rolled to the right, not about its axis, but along a horizontal corkscrew flight path, finishing in level flight. You do not point the aircraft at the ground, and you do actually lose some speed during the manoeuvre. Correct use of rudder is just as important as aileron during the manoeuvre, in order to keep the nose aligned with the flight path.
I think - not being a pilot or even student of aviation - I get the difference between an aileron roll and a barrel roll. Is an aileron roll a roll with the aircraft spinning round the same "string" line of flight whereas a barrel roll involves rotating round inside a mythical barrel at a constant radius from the "string" which is the nominal line of flight?
Not being a pilot but having been in a simulator I asked if I could try a barrel roll in a regional airlinersim ( motion turned off) and apparently did it right. I indeed acted as if I steered inside a pipe, using all controls. I doubt I'd fare as well IRL.
Few people know that Tex Johnson had practiced rolling the plane plane the day before while test flying out over the Olympic mountains. It wasn't just a stunt. Doing it over 125,000 people at the Seattle Sea-fair Hydro-plane event was the stunt but Johnson was a top notch engineer who knew everything there was to know about the plane. The real question is would you try this in a new Boeing?
The indestructible 707 was built with military idiosyncracy. Whatever it takes. The 50's... WWII and Korea were very fresh. In the Soviet front, it was some similarity with the TU114... high wing bomber TU95, aka "the 🐻"
You're spot on with your description of the roll maneuver. That was not a barrel roll. A properly executed aileron roll shouldn't excessively stress the wings, but careful attention must be paid to pitch angle and altitude. And no, I wouldn't try rolling a new Boeing.
A Barrel Roll, also known as a 1 g roll if done properly doesn't damage the aircraft. Tex Johnston did two of these maneuvers on the first Boeing 707, the Boeing 367-80. He did this over Lake Washington during Seafair in 1955.
Kelly Johnson successfully did this manoeuvre in a Boeing 707 when it was the Dash-80. The pilot of the Yak 40 pointed the nose of the plane too far down towards the ground and the wing ripped off from the stress of the overspeed.
The dash 80 was rolled by Boeing test pilot Alvin "Tex" Johnston. Kelly Johnson IS a real aerospace legend but at Lockheed NOT Boeing. He worked on U-2 SR-71 C-130 and MANY more greats.
I was thinking that exact same thing! I found myself wondering if the Yak-40 pilot was trying to emulate that maneuver? "If capitalist pig pilot can do this 29 years ago in poorly built inferior aircraft, I can easily do in glorious superior Soviet plane!" All respect to those who lost their live that day.
@@austindarrenor I read an article about that some 40 years ago which said the Bill Avery almost had a heart attack right then and there, and intended to fire Tex, until Eddie Rickenbacker told him: "He (Tex) just sold your airplane for you."
During my airline career (UAL), most of the simulator check rides would have a few minutes of time left over at the end, and the check pilot would ask what we would like to do. I'd always go for a few aileron rolls. Done in the B727/B737/B757/B767/B777. The secret was to get the nose well above the horizon (~30 degrees), crank in full aileron and then neutralize the elevator once the pitch up was established. I always tried to come out a little higher than I started. Just like in the Globe Swift I owned. During training the instructor gave me a unannounced roll upset at about 10k feet. As the sim went through about 120' bank, and I had no idea why, I just "went with the flow" and finished the rather sloppy roll. Lost some altitude bur did not exceed barber pole or G limits. But the instructor was annoyed. Those were the days...
Exactly! May the Lord bless their innocent souls. Hard to understand, considering the Soviet pilots were all air force trained, where such a manoeuvre is part of the basic curriculum.
Great story and such a stupid thing to do. But your animations were terrific. Loved the black reek from the engines. No Greta Thunbergs in those days. 😀😀🙋♂️👏👏🇬🇧
Well, you only say that now with the aid of hindsight. This was a long time ago. Your prediction would hold more merit if you had made it right after this happened, not 40 years later.
A barrel roll can be done in virtuall any aircraft. The most famous barrel roll was done by the Boeing 707 prototype during the first public flight of the airplane in order to sell the airplane to airliners. They sold hundreds of them the following week. A barrel roll done properly should NEVER exceed 2 Gs. The Yak-40 in the video did a split S.
@@michaelrunnels7660 That's a persistently annoying fact that can't be flushed from the history books. Tex flew an aileron roll, not a barrel roll. A barrel roll involves at least 40 degrees of pitch. It's half aileron roll and half loop.
@@gerardmoran9560 Are you saying that a barrel roll is half aileron roll and half loop? That's a split S. Imagine doing a coordinated turn to the left, but never neutralizing the ailerons and rudder so your turn gets steeper and steeper until it goes past knife edge. You keep the coordinated turn going and pull back on the stick to keep 1 G. Keep turning and pulling 1 G until you are at right knife edge, then start forward on the stick until you turn to wings level. If you do this continuous coordinated turning at the correct rate you will end up about 30 degrees nose low. If you start about 30 degrees nose high you will end up wings level. Passengers with their eyes closed will say you just did a coordinated turn. A roll involves using the ailerons only and the aircraft rolls around a line going straight thru the fuselage. A roll involve pushing the stick forward until you are upside down pulling 1 negative G. Here's Tex doing a barrel roll starting from level flight and ending up about 30 degrees nose low. Tex talks about doing a chandell, but it isn't shown in this video. th-cam.com/video/Ra_khhzuFlE/w-d-xo.html Here's Bob Hoover doing a barrel roll starting 30 degrees nose up and ending up straight and level. th-cam.com/video/V9pvG_ZSnCc/w-d-xo.html
I have been a commercial pilot since 1970. A Barrel Roll is far from being the most dangerous maneuver in commercial aviation. In fact it’s one of the simplest and less stressful acrobatic maneuvers in aviation. The reason this one caused the aircraft to break up is because the pilot did not do it properly. It’s a maneuver that when done properly should not produce more than 2 to 3 Gs. Many acrobatic pilots do it with only 1 to 1.5 Gs and no less than .5 Gs. Two to 3 Gs should not have caused the aircraft to break up. Granted the pilot should not have attempted the maneuver, as I’m sure the airline prohibits acrobatic maneuvers.
Tex Johnson rolled a 707 over Lake Washington at Seattle in the 50s, and technicians aboard didn't even notice. It was a perfect 1G roll. Afterward, the CEO of the company asked him, "What do you think you were doing up there?", and Tex replied, "Selling airplanes". There is footage of the incident on TH-cam...
No. Most crashes with Russian airliners came because of weather, ATC mistakes or other external reasons. A Tu-134 or 154 is not less safe than a 737 Max....
@@janvanhaaster2093 And yet they were commercial failures. None of the Russian made jets were sold to airlines in countries outside of the Soviet Bloc.
I think you're right. In a communist country the spirit of quality is so often utterly lacking. There's no personal initiative. Everything you do is for the State.
When I was in USAF navigator flight school (eatly 1980s 737s) the flight in front of us had an RD, which reportedly resulted in a -20ish K roll. Pilots supposedly recovered around 5k agl. Quite the kerfuffle on the tarmac when my flight landed an hour or so later. No spare washers in laundry that night.
Barrel and aileron rolls are not intrinsically dangerous. The key element for safe execution is sufficient aileron authority to complete the roll before the pitch attitude is too low to allow safe recovery prior to exceeding limiting airspeed. .
A subtlety misrepresented in most movies and narratives is the difference between an in-line/aileron roll (where the aircraft is only meant to roll on its longitudinal axis) and a barrel-roll which involves yaw and pitch as well. Look up the diagram how this looks. Apparently this pilot also didn't understand the difference nor ever understood how to execute it properly... Nor should he have attempted it even if he did. Mind you during the days of the USSR most of their pilots came from air force training which was notorious for reckless bravado. Perhaps he thought a civilian airliner can do the same maneuvers as a fighter jet.
The procedure to begin a barrel roll is to elevate the nose about 10° , disapate airspeed a bit, and then begin a controlled roll at about 2 Gs with the nose about 10° low on completion with little acceleration. The Soviet pilot did not understand the method of doing a barrel roll.
The Yak-40 is perhaps the most beautiful of all the tri-jets. Its proportions and features make it so visually...balanced. And even with the P51-like straight wing it still looks sleek.
A properly executed "Barrel roll" is a 1G maneuver, without a significant speed increase. Bob Hoover had done hundreds, safely. This guy wasn't trained in the proper method.
@@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe Admittedly, some planes do not do well when they get inverted, but the true "barrel" maneuver is 1 G. Look up Bob Hoover actually pouring Ice Tea into a glass while doing one. Full 360 degrees. My guess is this Russian pilot thought he knew how but was not able to do the roll correctly--He paid for it... I'm part Russkie and know some of us have bigger testicles than brains.
I really like the Russian horizon display. To me it seems to cue much better for spatial orientation compared to the moving horizon display in standard aviation.
"A superior pilot uses his superior judgement to avoid situations that will require the use of his superior skills".......Frank Borman, NASA astronaut. This guy should have read his book.
I don't even like doing spins in an approved airplane like the C172. I rather do instrument work and procedures; I'm a standard-rate-of-turn guy. Occasionally a 60 Deg step turn, but no more than that.
This level of stupidity is incomprehensible. You don't barrel roll a passenger jet! The captain must have had a brain spasm. And those with him weren't much better - it didn't occur to at least one of them to suggest that wasn't a great idea? Totally incredible. Well they paid the ultimate price. RIP.
A barrel roll is not a dangerous maneuver. If executed properly it is a one g maneuver and would not have over stressed the aircraft. It is clear that the captain let the nose drop. That is the only way this maneuver could produce a high speed that would over stress the airframe. A Boeing test pilot once did a barrel roll in a B-52 with no problems.
That was probably Alvin "Tex" Johnston as he was Boeing's Chief Test pilot through the B-47, B-52, and 707-80 programs. It was said he routinely barrel rolled B-47s over the Straits of Juan de Fuca. While flying a B-47, he radioed to flight test control asking if the '47 could be barrel rolled. They answered, "hold on, we'll get back to you." After about 40 min they told him, " yes, you probably can, but it's not a good idea." Tex's reply, "too late."
A properly conducted barrel roll is a one G maneuver. It tends to side load the vertical fin/rudder assembly, but most aircraft should be able to handle it. What gets screwed up are the gyro's, which can "tumble" and in some cases require replacement. This is not an approved maneuver in any airline equipment!
this is misinformation: a barrel roll is not a dangerous stunt, in fact, the 747 pilot did a barrel roll on the demonstration flight, it does not increase or decrease G-forces by much. The only reason the wing fell if is because they did not do a barrel roll, the captain completely failed doing it and did something entirely different
As an aerobatic pilot I can say there is nothing dangerous about performing a roll. The pilot screwed it up from the very beginning. I have seen a pilot roll a 727 with absolutely no stress of any kind on the aircraft.
If you’re not a test pilot or an aerobic pilot check out on the aircraft. Don’t do crap like this. My skating instructor said most people get injured in skating doing things I haven’t been taught to do properly.
as far as I know, commercial engines cannot work upside down due to missing lubrication during reverse flight. So, apart from any other important risk you never can reverse fly a commercial turbine aircraft. Comments are appreciated. Thanks
The main inconsistency in this video is that the pilot never performed a barrel roll. He did what the video showed, only an aileron roll, defined as "complete roll of the aircraft around its own axis". May I add "longitudinal axis" for clarity and completeness? And the proper way to perform a barrel roll is to dip the nose to gain some airspeed, pull it up to nose-up pitch and start the roll with FULL aileron deflection (and sufficient rudder input). The aircraft will likely end up in a slightly nose-down attitude. Starting nose-up prevents too much nose-down during the maneuver and thus prevents rapid build-up of airspeed. Aileron rolls are very easy (I have done plenty). The higher the roll rate, the lower the pitch change, the lower the airspeed increase and thus the easier the recovery. Aerobatic aircraft have purposely high roll rate. Commercial airliners do not. A barrel roll in an airliner is doable. An aileron roll need a really good pilot with good aerobatic skills.
The First officer should have stopped it (but things are different in the Third World). From the video, it's apparent that the pilot had no experience with aerobatics. He could have easily aborted the maneuver at 90 degrees of bank when it was apparent things weren't going well (but it takes an aerobatic pilot to recognize that). Starting the roll at 5 degrees nose up isn't nearly enough for a barrel roll in that type of plane, not even for an aileron roll. The aircraft is perfectly capable of those maneuvers, but the pilot was not. The B-707 has performed barrel rolls before without any issues. If performed correctly, it produces no more stress than a normal steep turn. Heck, Bob Hoover did them at airshows with both engines feathered while pouring a glass of water. All pilots are not the same. BC 26,000+ hrs USAF/Airlines Aerobatic/Formation Instructor
I take the video with a degree of cynicism as it is a computer simulation based on what the creator of the video thinks happened. It is not confirmed that this from a full data set from a FDR though the CVR seems real time. Were the control inputs and positions available from the FDR or just the usual speed, attitude, altitude and engine settings? Maybe some information on the histories of the respective crew members? Maybe some poetic license.
Others may've said this, but a correctly executed barrel roll performed by a competent and experienced pilot is not a dangerous maneuver. In fact, it can be done such that even when carrying passengers, unless they were looking out the windows at the time, would not be aware that they had been inverted. However, you can be darn sure that every year some wannabe aerobatic pilot will kill themselves and a passenger that they were seeking to impress by trying it with no safety margin. Surely the Yak 40 was built to go beyond 5G? It was probably exceeding the Vne in an asymmetric attitude that tore the wing away.
The captain should never have performed a barrel roll in the first place. His foolish actions caused structural failure of the Yakovlev, thereby costing him his life and that of his crew. Tragic indeed. 😢
A normal barrel roll is not a dangerous maneuver. Tex Johnston did it is a 707 prototype over the Puget Sound at low altitude. Whatever these guys were doing, it wasn’t a barrel roll.
Not saying this wasn't totally reckless but a barrel roll isn't just rolling the aircraft around its own long axis, that's an aileron roll. A barrel roll is flying in a spiral both rolling and turning the aircraft around on the surface of an imaginary tube, which is the "barrel" If done correctly a barrel roll is a 1 g manoeuvre and doesn't put excessive stress on an aircraft, it's definitely not the most dangerous of aerobatic manoeuvres.
A barrel roll is certainly NOT a dangerous maneuver. And if executed correctly, the g force is at 1 G all through the roll. And - still if executed correctly - the nose would NOT drop below the horizon, so the aircraft would NOT gain speed. If the crew would have done a barrel roll, they'd have been fine.
Doing a barrel roll after doing some gentle turns is like an old man taking a walk around the block and then trying to do a floor exercise like an Olympic gymnast. Not gonna turn out well. The barrel roll, however, should not have produced 5Gs. It’s a one G maneuver.
Great video, I love the graphics. Very unfortunate, may they all rest in peace 🙏 Thank you very much for sharing this MPC.
Man did ANYONE on board have any common sense to think "gee this isn't a fighter jet, maybe a barrel roll is a bad idea."? To die so needlessly on an otherwise perfectly flying aircraft. Total pilot error.
Not so much pilot error as depending on his skill negligence incompetence ignorance not really an error in the sense of the word I would consider for piloting, certainly and despicable airmanship
i'm also quite lost here, because it said they're testing the collapsed nose gear being fixed or not, so why did they need to perform the left/right turn before executing the barrel roll?
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Tex jhnoston and bob hoover perform several barrel rolls in various transport categories aircraft, even a 707 that was massive.
I used to work for a certain Scottish airline, that had Jetstreams doing this sort of thing. They got away with it.
"Common aerobatics do not over stress an aircraft. Recovery from poorly executed maneuvers can." Tom Weis.
My instructor. This guy let his nose down and fell out of the maneuver. Well he must have had nose up back pressure when inverted. A roll is a dance with all three controls. "Tex" Johansen rolled the Boing 80 and said it was a one G maneuver.
Exactly, a barrel roll is a 1G maneuver… Whatever /this/ was certainly wasn’t a barrel roll.
And Tex didn't ask permission to do that either. And the boss told him ". . . just don't do that any more." 😆
Done correctly, a barrel roll is a 1-G maneuver. You should be able to put your glass full of water on the glareshield and not spill a drop.
@@williampotter2098 That is done with a smooth coordinated application of aileron, rudder and elevator. The elevator neutralizes and reverses as the aircraft inverts. As my instructor once sad "Notice how the airspeed builds in this attitude. Cut the throttle back on the yoke, DON'T PULL THE WINGS OFF! I had fallen out of a simple maneuver. The airspeed was well into the yellow. I think the Russian had the same as the aircraft inverted.
@@jayreiter268 Yes, I was trained in the USAF. We did that in 4-ship formation in T-38s. And I fell out of many barrel rolls while learning. It's harder than it looks.
It’s a well known story in aviation that, in 1955 Boeing test pilot Tex Johnston performed a barrel roll with a new 707. During the roll a +1 g acceleration was maintained, allowing for the famous pouring a drink while inverted. The trick is in the pilots skill and knowledge of aerodynamics. This accident seems to fit perfectly with pervasive macho attitudine in Russian colture.
its happened in the US too . the Braniff accident in 1959 in a brand new 707 ..A barrel roll by a Boeing test pilot to impress the Braniff pilots on board . there were no commercial passengers much like this flight .. and three engines were ripped off .. however there were some survivors who went to the back of the aircraft .
@@danobrien3601a barrel roll, if properly executed, is not a high stress maneuver.
@@danobrien3601can you document that a little better. I have a lot of documentation concerning Tex Johnson rolling Dash 80 in 1955.
I saw the problem before it started. Looking into the aircraft from the outside... there's no-one on the flight deck.
No worries, the pilots were probably just a little late 😆
@@austindarrenorA pre-roll vodka?
@@Rossi593 🤪
Excellent production 👍
That was not a barrel roll, that was an improperly executed aileron roll. If done by the numbers, it is not a particularly dangerous maneuver. 1. Pitch the nose up (the pilot didn't pitch up at all), 2. RELAX the back pressure, and 3. apply maximum aileron in the direction of the roll. It takes a surprising degree of nose up attitude for a plane with a slow rate of roll as once the back pressure is released, the nose will drop towards the ground all the way through the maneuver. The next major mistake some pilots make is to not relax the back pressure on the yoke when starting the roll. That turns the maneuver into a sort of barrel roll with the nose pitching all through the maneuver such that as the aircraft reaches the inverted position half way through the maneuver, the pilot is actually pulling the nose towards the ground, resulting in an extreme nose down attitude as the roll is completed. This mistake likely caused the loss of a Navy EA-6B on a low level training flight near Spokane some years ago.
nonsense.
Bob is correct - at no time should the load on the aircraft exceed 1.5 G. The pilot should know the correct entry speed, (I'll bet it's not in the flight manual!) and ensure that the aircraft is at that speed before lowering the nose a little in a left bank for a right barrel roll. The nose is then raised while the aircraft is rolled to the right, not about its axis, but along a horizontal corkscrew flight path, finishing in level flight. You do not point the aircraft at the ground, and you do actually lose some speed during the manoeuvre. Correct use of rudder is just as important as aileron during the manoeuvre, in order to keep the nose aligned with the flight path.
I think - not being a pilot or even student of aviation - I get the difference between an aileron roll and a barrel roll.
Is an aileron roll a roll with the aircraft spinning round the same "string" line of flight whereas a barrel roll involves rotating round inside a mythical barrel at a constant radius from the "string" which is the nominal line of flight?
Not being a pilot but having been in a simulator I asked if I could try a barrel roll in a regional airlinersim ( motion turned off) and apparently did it right. I indeed acted as if I steered inside a pipe, using all controls. I doubt I'd fare as well IRL.
@@ottonormalverbrauch3794 Get it right in the simulator a few times until "muscle memory" kicks in then have a go IRL😉
It's a sturdy thing, a Yak-40- but everything has its limits.
I wouldn’t call an aircraft that broke up at only 350 indicated and only 5 Gs “sturdy”
@@Trump985 it's an airliner. 5G _is_ sturdy.
@@Trump985 Max G 737, +2.5, -1. For a straight wing small commuter 350 knots is pushing it.
Of all the reckless, careless, idiotic decisions….. completely avoidable and entirely negligent. That maniac took four innocent people with him.
You should write the official accident report, couldn't be stated better!
@@maxon-m3c guess that whole thing got me a little fired up lol
@@kcindc5539 Me too ! Still don't get how the FO didn't fight that move. Everyone just sat there quietly?
@@sarge6870 exactly. Too many cultures specifically discourage anyone from overriding a Captain even when it means saving everyone’s lives. smh
You hit the nail on the head, and it seems like when I hear about an airline pilot doing something this crazy, it is often in Russia.
Few people know that Tex Johnson had practiced rolling the plane plane the day before while test flying out over the Olympic mountains. It wasn't just a stunt. Doing it over 125,000 people at the Seattle Sea-fair Hydro-plane event was the stunt but Johnson was a top notch engineer who knew everything there was to know about the plane. The real question is would you try this in a new Boeing?
The indestructible 707 was built with military idiosyncracy. Whatever it takes.
The 50's... WWII and Korea were very fresh.
In the Soviet front, it was some similarity with the TU114... high wing bomber TU95, aka "the 🐻"
Yup!!
You're spot on with your description of the roll maneuver. That was not a barrel roll. A properly executed aileron roll shouldn't excessively stress the wings, but careful attention must be paid to pitch angle and altitude.
And no, I wouldn't try rolling a new Boeing.
@@pamelarobinson859 How about a 737 Max? That is essentially a modified 707 fuselage, but tougher... In fact it's tougher all round.
A Barrel Roll, also known as a 1 g roll if done properly doesn't damage the aircraft. Tex Johnston did two of these maneuvers on the first Boeing 707, the Boeing 367-80. He did this over Lake Washington during Seafair in 1955.
An excellent video.
Kelly Johnson successfully did this manoeuvre in a Boeing 707 when it was the Dash-80. The pilot of the Yak 40 pointed the nose of the plane too far down towards the ground and the wing ripped off from the stress of the overspeed.
The dash 80 was rolled by Boeing test pilot Alvin "Tex" Johnston. Kelly Johnson IS a real aerospace legend but at Lockheed NOT Boeing. He worked on U-2 SR-71 C-130 and MANY more greats.
I was thinking that exact same thing! I found myself wondering if the Yak-40 pilot was trying to emulate that maneuver? "If capitalist pig pilot can do this 29 years ago in poorly built inferior aircraft, I can easily do in glorious superior Soviet plane!" All respect to those who lost their live that day.
Knowledge of history fail.
And Tex Johnson didn't have permission to do that either. And the boss told him ". . . just don't do that any more." 😆
@@austindarrenor I read an article about that some 40 years ago which said the Bill Avery almost had a heart attack right then and there, and intended to fire Tex, until Eddie Rickenbacker told him: "He (Tex) just sold your airplane for you."
What?? Barrel roll? Stunt flying gets you killed in that thing!
Bob Hoover was the master of the barrel roll. He rolled a twin engine airplane with a glass of water on the panel and never spilled a drop.
Bob Hoover holds the FAA type certificate for Old Bold Pilot.
@@jayreiter268 So there are old and bold pilots!
@@mercuryredstone2235 You will have to buy the type certificate from Bob if you want a real old bold pilot manufactured again.
@@jayreiter268 I learned this expression from the Frank Spencer character in Some Mother's Do 'Av 'Em circa 1975....
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During my airline career (UAL), most of the simulator check rides would have a few minutes of time left over at the end, and the check pilot would ask what we would like to do. I'd always go for a few aileron rolls. Done in the B727/B737/B757/B767/B777. The secret was to get the nose well above the horizon (~30 degrees), crank in full aileron and then neutralize the elevator once the pitch up was established. I always tried to come out a little higher than I started. Just like in the Globe Swift I owned.
During training the instructor gave me a unannounced roll upset at about 10k feet. As the sim went through about 120' bank, and I had no idea why, I just "went with the flow" and finished the rather sloppy roll. Lost some altitude bur did not exceed barber pole or G limits. But the instructor was annoyed. Those were the days...
Spot on. I did do an aileron roll in a 737 sim. No problem as described above.
I have done several in aerobatic aircraft but also in a business jet.
Taught by a former ace fighter pilot who saw active service in Korea and Vietnam
And then you woke up. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Who did he think he is Tex Johnson??
The pilot thought he was Tex Johnston.
Never think you are Tex Johnston.
The captain had most probably been on the Vodka since 9am!
The Russian rule was 24 minutes bottle to throttle 😂
Actually an aileron is where the plane rolls on its axis. A barrel roll rotates while changing altitude.
Barrel roll is one of the safest maneuvers with almost no changes in G loads. What is shown in the video is not a barrel roll.
He didn't know how to do a barrel roll in that plane.
Exactly! May the Lord bless their innocent souls. Hard to understand, considering the Soviet pilots were all air force trained, where such a manoeuvre is part of the basic curriculum.
Great story and such a stupid thing to do. But your animations were terrific. Loved the black reek from the engines. No Greta Thunbergs in those days. 😀😀🙋♂️👏👏🇬🇧
I think it's safe to assume he won't pull that stunt again.
Well, you only say that now with the aid of hindsight. This was a long time ago. Your prediction would hold more merit if you had made it right after this happened, not 40 years later.
@@echohotel4963 That is probably the dryest joke of 2024. Love it.
No, but he will vote democrat in the 2024 election…
There’s nothing dangerous about a barrel roll given the proper aircraft and training.
A barrel roll can be done in virtuall any aircraft. The most famous barrel roll was done by the Boeing 707 prototype during the first public flight of the airplane in order to sell the airplane to airliners. They sold hundreds of them the following week. A barrel roll done properly should NEVER exceed 2 Gs. The Yak-40 in the video did a split S.
@@michaelrunnels7660 That's a persistently annoying fact that can't be flushed from the history books. Tex flew an aileron roll, not a barrel roll. A barrel roll involves at least 40 degrees of pitch. It's half aileron roll and half loop.
@@gerardmoran9560 Are you saying that a barrel roll is half aileron roll and half loop? That's a split S. Imagine doing a coordinated turn to the left, but never neutralizing the ailerons and rudder so your turn gets steeper and steeper until it goes past knife edge. You keep the coordinated turn going and pull back on the stick to keep 1 G. Keep turning and pulling 1 G until you are at right knife edge, then start forward on the stick until you turn to wings level. If you do this continuous coordinated turning at the correct rate you will end up about 30 degrees nose low. If you start about 30 degrees nose high you will end up wings level. Passengers with their eyes closed will say you just did a coordinated turn. A roll involves using the ailerons only and the aircraft rolls around a line going straight thru the fuselage. A roll involve pushing the stick forward until you are upside down pulling 1 negative G. Here's Tex doing a barrel roll starting from level flight and ending up about 30 degrees nose low. Tex talks about doing a chandell, but it isn't shown in this video. th-cam.com/video/Ra_khhzuFlE/w-d-xo.html
Here's Bob Hoover doing a barrel roll starting 30 degrees nose up and ending up straight and level. th-cam.com/video/V9pvG_ZSnCc/w-d-xo.html
@@gerardmoran9560 Tex states he flew a "chandelle" but the video shows it to be something different, it certainly wasn't an aileron roll.
“In Russia you don’t eat roll, roll eats you!”
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Perhaps the pilot should have taken his optional large glass of vodka before the flight to make him think more clearly.
Beautiful airplane.
Noticeable that it has straight wings. Probably because there must have been so many unimproved runways in the former USSR.
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I have been a commercial pilot since 1970. A Barrel Roll is far from being the most dangerous maneuver in commercial aviation. In fact it’s one of the simplest and less stressful acrobatic maneuvers in aviation. The reason this one caused the aircraft to break up is because the pilot did not do it properly. It’s a maneuver that when done properly should not produce more than 2 to 3 Gs. Many acrobatic pilots do it with only 1 to 1.5 Gs and no less than .5 Gs. Two to 3 Gs should not have caused the aircraft to break up. Granted the pilot should not have attempted the maneuver, as I’m sure the airline prohibits acrobatic maneuvers.
Tex Johnson rolled a 707 over Lake Washington at Seattle in the 50s, and technicians aboard didn't even notice. It was a perfect 1G roll. Afterward, the CEO of the company asked him, "What do you think you were doing up there?", and Tex replied, "Selling airplanes". There is footage of the incident on TH-cam...
@@shaggybreeks And the boss said ". . . just don't do that any more." 😆
Delivery flights and test flights are considered to be 'high-risk' flights because the normal operating standards don't apply.
It's safer to eat day-old gas station sushi while walking blindfolded on a tightrope over the Grand Canyon than it is to fly on a Russian jet.
No. Most crashes with Russian airliners came because of weather, ATC mistakes or other external reasons. A Tu-134 or 154 is not less safe than a 737 Max....
@@janvanhaaster2093 And yet they were commercial failures. None of the Russian made jets were sold to airlines in countries outside of the Soviet Bloc.
I think you're right. In a communist country the spirit of quality is so often utterly lacking. There's no personal initiative. Everything you do is for the State.
@@austindarrenorI thought Iran bought and flew a few Tu-154’s as passenger services - but there were several crashes with fatal consequences.
@@austindarrenor You are right. Capitalism makes things and communism takes things. It's obviously a copy so why would anyone want to buy one.
When I was in USAF navigator flight school (eatly 1980s 737s) the flight in front of us had an RD, which reportedly resulted in a -20ish K roll. Pilots supposedly recovered around 5k agl. Quite the kerfuffle on the tarmac when my flight landed an hour or so later. No spare washers in laundry that night.
Barrel and aileron rolls are not intrinsically dangerous. The key element for safe execution is sufficient aileron authority to complete the roll before the pitch attitude is too low to allow safe recovery prior to exceeding limiting airspeed. .
A subtlety misrepresented in most movies and narratives is the difference between an in-line/aileron roll (where the aircraft is only meant to roll on its longitudinal axis) and a barrel-roll which involves yaw and pitch as well. Look up the diagram how this looks.
Apparently this pilot also didn't understand the difference nor ever understood how to execute it properly... Nor should he have attempted it even if he did.
Mind you during the days of the USSR most of their pilots came from air force training which was notorious for reckless bravado. Perhaps he thought a civilian airliner can do the same maneuvers as a fighter jet.
The procedure to begin a barrel roll is to elevate the nose about 10° , disapate airspeed a bit, and then begin a controlled roll at about 2 Gs with the nose about 10° low on completion with little acceleration. The Soviet pilot did not understand the method of doing a barrel roll.
The aircraft was not repaired and returned to service...
Some Gorilla glue, duct tape and a little paint. That'll buff right out.
Oh yes it was. Apparently Aeroflot patched it up with a few old tractor parts and it remained in service with them for another 10 years.
@@davidmccann9811 😆
The Yak-40 is perhaps the most beautiful of all the tri-jets. Its proportions and features make it so visually...balanced. And even with the P51-like straight wing it still looks sleek.
The Yukon Yaks hockey team of Whitehorse always chartered one when available.
A properly executed "Barrel roll" is a 1G maneuver, without a significant speed increase. Bob Hoover had done hundreds, safely. This guy wasn't trained in the proper method.
1G in every aircraft everwhere?
Yes @@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe
@@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe Admittedly, some planes do not do well when they get inverted, but the true "barrel" maneuver is 1 G. Look up Bob Hoover actually pouring Ice Tea into a glass while doing one. Full 360 degrees. My guess is this Russian pilot thought he knew how but was not able to do the roll correctly--He paid for it... I'm part Russkie and know some of us have bigger testicles than brains.
There's nothing particularly dangerous about a barrel roll
First officer pointing out of window.
Look at that wing flying over there...... It looks just like one of ours.
I really like the Russian horizon display. To me it seems to cue much better for spatial orientation compared to the moving horizon display in standard aviation.
4:07 - Yak-40 the first "fly by mouse" aircraft. 😉
"A superior pilot uses his superior judgement to avoid situations that will require the use of his superior skills".......Frank Borman, NASA astronaut. This guy should have read his book.
I don't even like doing spins in an approved airplane like the C172. I rather do instrument work and procedures; I'm a standard-rate-of-turn guy. Occasionally a 60 Deg step turn, but no more than that.
Chuck Yeager said it succinctly: there are old pilots and bold pilots! But VERY few OLD BOLD pilots.
An aircraft requires two wings to fly? Who knew?
Not always; Search TH-cam for: F-15 lands with one wing
Cute little plane.
Beautiful animation. Why not put some characters in the cockpit?
Captain’s last words: “I can’t understand it! I used to do this in my MiG-29 all the time!”
Man all I can do Is shake my head
This level of stupidity is incomprehensible. You don't barrel roll a passenger jet! The captain must have had a brain spasm. And those with him weren't much better - it didn't occur to at least one of them to suggest that wasn't a great idea? Totally incredible. Well they paid the ultimate price. RIP.
A barrel roll is not a dangerous maneuver. If executed properly it is a one g maneuver and would not have over stressed the aircraft. It is clear that the captain let the nose drop. That is the only way this maneuver could produce a high speed that would over stress the airframe. A Boeing test pilot once did a barrel roll in a B-52 with no problems.
That was probably Alvin "Tex" Johnston as he was Boeing's Chief Test pilot through the B-47, B-52, and 707-80 programs.
It was said he routinely barrel rolled B-47s over the Straits of Juan de Fuca.
While flying a B-47, he radioed to flight test control asking if the '47 could be barrel rolled. They answered, "hold on, we'll get back to you."
After about 40 min they told him, " yes, you probably can, but it's not a good idea."
Tex's reply, "too late."
At the Farnbourough airshow last year they barrel rolled a C-130 right in front of the crowd.....
@@tomsamuelson8512 I think that was the Lockheed test pilot on his last show flight before retiring.
A properly conducted barrel roll is a one G maneuver. It tends to side load the vertical fin/rudder assembly, but most aircraft should be able to handle it. What gets screwed up are the gyro's, which can "tumble" and in some cases require replacement.
This is not an approved maneuver in any airline equipment!
At 8:20 in the video, all you have to do is grab your parachute and proceed to an exit door....oh, wait...
Most dangerous pilots. Those under 300, or over 3000 hours. Experience and complacency.
I wonder if he wanted to do an aileron roll, but didn't know how.
I wouldn’t be testing anything ! Get the owner of the airline company to test it !!
And if the captain felt more confident then tie him to his seat and don’t let him touch nothing until you land !
this is misinformation: a barrel roll is not a dangerous stunt, in fact, the 747 pilot did a barrel roll on the demonstration flight, it does not increase or decrease G-forces by much. The only reason the wing fell if is because they did not do a barrel roll, the captain completely failed doing it and did something entirely different
Would more swepted wings have been any help?
¿Sera que Mauricio PC tiene influencia sovietica? Mauricio PC ¿Ya recreaste el vuelo 593 de Aeroflot y el 821 de Aeroflot Nord?
As an aerobatic pilot I can say there is nothing dangerous about performing a roll. The pilot screwed it up from the very beginning. I have seen a pilot roll a 727 with absolutely no stress of any kind on the aircraft.
I swear the most baffling accidents came out of the USSR/Russia.
A barrel roll is not the most dangerous maneuver, but a difficult one. If you don’t do it right it’s something ugly.
If you’re not a test pilot or an aerobic pilot check out on the aircraft. Don’t do crap like this. My skating instructor said most people get injured in skating doing things I haven’t been taught to do properly.
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Bruh the similarity…
I’m thinking, what could possibly go wrong?
Crazy Ivan
A barrel roll if performed properly is not really all that dangerous
From time to time a Captain will not know how to control the ship, and if the crew does not know how to control the captain.... well...
as far as I know, commercial engines cannot work upside down due to missing lubrication during reverse flight. So, apart from any other important risk you never can reverse fly a commercial turbine aircraft. Comments are appreciated. Thanks
Looks like a Dassault Falcon 7x with analog avionics.
If done properly, the "Barrel Roll" keeps the aircraft at one G through the entire maneuver, that wasn't a barrel roll.
The main inconsistency in this video is that the pilot never performed a barrel roll. He did what the video showed, only an aileron roll, defined as "complete roll of the aircraft around its own axis". May I add "longitudinal axis" for clarity and completeness?
And the proper way to perform a barrel roll is to dip the nose to gain some airspeed, pull it up to nose-up pitch and start the roll with FULL aileron deflection (and sufficient rudder input). The aircraft will likely end up in a slightly nose-down attitude. Starting nose-up prevents too much nose-down during the maneuver and thus prevents rapid build-up of airspeed.
Aileron rolls are very easy (I have done plenty). The higher the roll rate, the lower the pitch change, the lower the airspeed increase and thus the easier the recovery. Aerobatic aircraft have purposely high roll rate. Commercial airliners do not. A barrel roll in an airliner is doable. An aileron roll need a really good pilot with good aerobatic skills.
S happens....at least a final fun filled carnival ride in the end. The show off captain...just misses his MIG-21 flying days...
Who was the test pilot from Boeing that barrel roll the first 707 at a boat show in Seattle
Wing comes off? You failed the barrel roll, captain.
I wonder how they collapsed the nose gear in the first place. I assume Russian common sense told them you have to point the nose down to land.
The First officer should have stopped it (but things are different in the Third World). From the video, it's apparent that the pilot had no experience with aerobatics. He could have easily aborted the maneuver at 90 degrees of bank when it was apparent things weren't going well (but it takes an aerobatic pilot to recognize that). Starting the roll at 5 degrees nose up isn't nearly enough for a barrel roll in that type of plane, not even for an aileron roll. The aircraft is perfectly capable of those maneuvers, but the pilot was not. The B-707 has performed barrel rolls before without any issues. If performed correctly, it produces no more stress than a normal steep turn. Heck, Bob Hoover did them at airshows with both engines feathered while pouring a glass of water. All pilots are not the same.
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I take the video with a degree of cynicism as it is a computer simulation based on what the creator of the video thinks happened. It is not confirmed that this from a full data set from a FDR though the CVR seems real time. Were the control inputs and positions available from the FDR or just the usual speed, attitude, altitude and engine settings?
Maybe some information on the histories of the respective crew members?
Maybe some poetic license.
Others may've said this, but a correctly executed barrel roll performed by a competent and experienced pilot is not a dangerous maneuver. In fact, it can be done such that even when carrying passengers, unless they were looking out the windows at the time, would not be aware that they had been inverted.
However, you can be darn sure that every year some wannabe aerobatic pilot will kill themselves and a passenger that they were seeking to impress by trying it with no safety margin.
Surely the Yak 40 was built to go beyond 5G? It was probably exceeding the Vne in an asymmetric attitude that tore the wing away.
I think it was when the left wing broke off that the real trouble began. Almost any airplane can perform a 1g roll. Few pilots can.
Russia at it’s best
The captain should never have performed a barrel roll in the first place. His foolish actions caused structural failure of the Yakovlev, thereby costing him his life and that of his crew. Tragic indeed. 😢
what´s the name of the simulator?
Is the Cobra still okay?
This wasn't an aerobatic airplane. If the captain wanted to play, he should have done it in the simulator.
WHAT?. A Barrel Roll. In an aircraft you NEVER EVER try a barrel roll in….i…..literally can’t think what else to say
I'm pretty sure the pilot was drunk. That's SOP in Russia.
Watched a documentary on Russian civil aviation, and one pilot says, "You NEED to drink to do this job!"
He thought he was a 707 pilot!
Why that soviet wheelbarrow needs three engines for 32 passengers? Oops, soviet technology.
A normal barrel roll is not a dangerous maneuver. Tex Johnston did it is a 707 prototype over the Puget Sound at low altitude. Whatever these guys were doing, it wasn’t a barrel roll.
a 707 did one at an airshow -- 1 G manouver
So, How did that "FUN" barrell roll work out for you Captain???
Maybe some Finnish Vodka instead.
"In Soviet Russia, gravity obey our laws!"
Not saying this wasn't totally reckless but a barrel roll isn't just rolling the aircraft around its own long axis, that's an aileron roll. A barrel roll is flying in a spiral both rolling and turning the aircraft around on the surface of an imaginary tube, which is the "barrel"
If done correctly a barrel roll is a 1 g manoeuvre and doesn't put excessive stress on an aircraft, it's definitely not the most dangerous of aerobatic manoeuvres.
Anyone know what the simulator is? Looks very sharp.
A barrel roll isn’t a dangerous maneuver.
The pilots forgot that very important shot for Jesus
not a dangerous maneuver just terrible pilots
A barrel roll is certainly NOT a dangerous maneuver. And if executed correctly, the g force is at 1 G all through the roll. And - still if executed correctly - the nose would NOT drop below the horizon, so the aircraft would NOT gain speed.
If the crew would have done a barrel roll, they'd have been fine.
Doing a barrel roll after doing some gentle turns is like an old man taking a walk around the block and then trying to do a floor exercise like an Olympic gymnast. Not gonna turn out well. The barrel roll, however, should not have produced 5Gs. It’s a one G maneuver.