What a tragedy...that was one very good looking aircraft! Too bad about the "icing" condition that the pilot thought was not a problem!! Thank you for the great video!!
I put this down to pilot error. Slush congealed on the undercarriage at takeoff making the plane much heavier and dragging on it. There is a rule in aviation if you try something twice and it doesn't work you do not try a third time. In this case the obvious cause of slush on the runway was not rectified.
2nd time the engine "burbed" was a NO/GO....period. Slushy runway, snowing? Any assumption the plane was airworthy "with just a little" ICE is erroneous. Even a slight amount of ice or frost can have disastrous effects on lift capability. Pressures on pilots is often intense by owners and passengers. But, to continue on even with ligitamate doubts of proper operation of engines and freezing precipitation into icing conditions & IMC is not only fool hardy, it's a LIFE or DEATH GAMBLE. Saying no & staying over for a pleasant dinner & warm bed is also a very real part of aviation.
Fun fact. If the airline accident rate of this era of airline flying was applied to todays world jet airline fleet, and the huge amount of flight undertaken, it would equate to approximately 5 hull losses a week around the globe.
The plane had reached V1 speed, and at that there would be some hydrplaning on the wheels ie, the wheels would not be touching the ground fully and additionally the wings would afford some lift, even though the ice was adding to the aircraft weight. So, I don't think the crash had anything to do with the slushing on the ground, it was more because of the icing on the wings.☘
I don't see how the Captain could be entirely exonerated. Even if he is given the benefit of the doubt regarding the de-icing, one of the engines was clearly not working properly causing the first 2 take off attempts to be cancelled.. The problem was occuring again on the 3rd attempt and there was likely sufficient time to abourt that take off also. But I don't think the 3rd attempt should have been made at all given the first 2 take off runs. It does not appear that a full investigation of the engine was performed. Instead it was decided to start the take off run more slowly in an attempt to "get round" a known engine problem. Verry possibly the Captain felt pressure to get the flight completed given the celebrity status of his passengers. The slush was a major factor but they should never have been making that 3rd attempt in deteriorating weather and a known engine problem.
If there were issues on take off why did they try again thrn sevond tske off yoo fast id be sorry out it was madness then weather was bad how many things does it take before you call it a day
Too busy trying to blame each other to even bother to realize that the idiot captain was the problem the whole time. Just like a lot of crashes stupid people making stupid decisions. You would think they would actually make it harder for you to be able to get a commercial pilots license especially back in 1958 let alone current times. I don't care if you flew in the Air Force especially the British Air force that doesn't Qualify you to fly other humans around.
What a tragedy...that was one very good looking aircraft! Too bad about the "icing" condition that the pilot thought was not a problem!! Thank you for the great video!!
Great Work and video MPC and Rest In Peace team Machester United 1958 🙏🏻🌹🕊 from Colombia 🇨🇴
How many times does the plane need to say "not today".
I put this down to pilot error. Slush congealed on the undercarriage at takeoff making the plane much heavier and dragging on it. There is a rule in aviation if you try something twice and it doesn't work you do not try a third time. In this case the obvious cause of slush on the runway was not rectified.
This is the rule not only for aviation 😮
2nd time the engine "burbed" was a NO/GO....period. Slushy runway, snowing? Any assumption the plane was airworthy "with just a little" ICE is erroneous. Even a slight amount of ice or frost can have disastrous effects on lift capability. Pressures on pilots is often intense by owners and passengers. But, to continue on even with ligitamate doubts of proper operation of engines and freezing precipitation into icing conditions & IMC is not only fool hardy, it's a LIFE or DEATH GAMBLE. Saying no & staying over for a pleasant dinner & warm bed is also a very real part of aviation.
Sad - after the second failed attempt- I would’ve stayed in the terminal- and worried about ice. My condolences
No way would I have agreed to get back into that plane after two takeoff attempts failed.
Its mid night 12.34 am in india by bell icon turned on I’m watching this❤❤
so very sad 😢
Fun fact. If the airline accident rate of this era of airline flying was applied to todays world jet airline fleet, and the huge amount of flight undertaken, it would equate to approximately 5 hull losses a week around the globe.
They had voice recorders back then?
The plane had reached V1 speed, and at that there would be some hydrplaning on the wheels ie, the wheels would not be touching the ground fully and additionally the wings would afford some lift, even though the ice was adding to the aircraft weight. So, I don't think the crash had anything to do with the slushing on the ground, it was more because of the icing on the wings.☘
I don't see how the Captain could be entirely exonerated. Even if he is given the benefit of the doubt regarding the de-icing, one of the engines was clearly not working properly causing the first 2 take off attempts to be cancelled.. The problem was occuring again on the 3rd attempt and there was likely sufficient time to abourt that take off also. But I don't think the 3rd attempt should have been made at all given the first 2 take off runs. It does not appear that a full investigation of the engine was performed. Instead it was decided to start the take off run more slowly in an attempt to "get round" a known engine problem. Verry possibly the Captain felt pressure to get the flight completed given the celebrity status of his passengers. The slush was a major factor but they should never have been making that 3rd attempt in deteriorating weather and a known engine problem.
@ 4:47 Allianz arena was already built in 1958!😅
What idiots. How many red flags do you need to cancel a flight.
What is that black wire over the top of the plane that goes from the front to the back?
Aerial antenna
It's the cable used to control the ruder.
HF ANTENNA
New it was going to be ice sitting so long in the snow RIP
If there were issues on take off why did they try again thrn sevond tske off yoo fast id be sorry out it was madness then weather was bad how many things does it take before you call it a day
Did anyone really think the British and Germans were going to agree on anything in 1958. Still to soon.
If I'm on an airplane and they abort the takeoff, I'm off the airplane immediately, I don't care what the circumstances are.
Easier said than done. The doors a closed and the seat beast signs are on. By law you are obliged to remain in your seat.
Hello Air Florida. Sound familiar?
Too busy trying to blame each other to even bother to realize that the idiot captain was the problem the whole time. Just like a lot of crashes stupid people making stupid decisions. You would think they would actually make it harder for you to be able to get a commercial pilots license especially back in 1958 let alone current times. I don't care if you flew in the Air Force especially the British Air force that doesn't Qualify you to fly other humans around.
Loox Łykê ice gotta intẁó Êngûnn
Trying the same over and over again and expect different results is the Definition of stupidity or BBritish Excetionalism
No mention of the 2 aborted attempts, with engine problems, c'mon, that's bullshit.
Get homeitis strikes again.
The germans blamed the British captain...of course they would.
Especially since they should of because he was an idiot who had several warning signs not to take off that day.
And the British were equally determined that he was not to blame in the face of contrary evidence.