I went to dealer to check the BRZ gorgoues car.Seats felt comfortable and sitting position feels natural.Driver focus! instantly feels like a fun car to drive.Going to get it.
The personally think the 1st gen Boxsters are fugly, but to each his own. I’ve had 3 generations of Caymans, a 987, 981 & a 718. Just sold the 718 and have a GR86 on order. The GR86 is 100% of the fun I had with the Caymans, but at a fraction of the price and the maintenance is cheap compared to the Porsche. Yes, you can do maintenance yourself on the Boxster, but anything you do isn’t cheap on a German car & the reliability isn’t there like Japanese cars. Also, you can’t haul a set of tack tires in a Baxter or a Cayman like you can in the GR86 or BRZ. So, I’ll be happy both behind the wheel, heading to the track and at the bank with the GR86.
That is exactly the question I was trying to figure out. Spent a lot of the winter looking for an 09-11 Cayman S. with low mileage. For about 40% less, I bought a BRZ. I figure it is lower key than being a Porsche owner and I can treat it like a sports car without the fuss. I think I made the right choice.I can punish friends who want a ride across town by making the back seat avaialble. Haha..get in!
Great review! Used porsches are so expensive in my area now, even the 2001 models are above 30k. I'll go with the GR86. My biggest concern was the steering feel and you addressed that. Thanks!
Great video. I had a 986.2 base boxster years ago. My dream car was always the '09 to 12 Cayman S. Lately my brain has been telling me that the GR86 might be the smarter decision.
Going back and forth on just about this exact choice. Still have to test drive both… those 987.2 caymans - even the base model, are just so rare, I’m worried if I don’t scoop one up soon I never will be able to, or prices will skyrocket. Maybe just paranoid.
Cool video! Solid advice. From a practicality standpoint, I'd argue those rear seats of the BRZ + cupholders make it far more practical than the frunk on the Boxster
The problem with older used vehicles is that each one of them feels different to drive. A few years ago I was looking for a fun winter beater. I was looking at Mazda 2's. The first handled amazing, so fun for a cheap car but lost out to another buyer. The next two I drove felt nothing like the first, both having sloppy handling even though one of them had the least miles of the 3. You really have to treat each car as an individual with it's own behavior and quirks and not buy something off reputation alone (auction sites). I'd take the BRZ!
Before we had this ridiculous Used car market. You could easily scoop up a 997 Carrera (Base) in the 30k range ☹️. From my personal experience one owner Carreras are pretty well maintained. Boxsters/Caymans you're really buying the previous owner, more than you're buying the car. You need to get a PPI (private purchase inspection). On the other hand of you a D.I.Y guy/gal boxsters are easy to work on. If you're not, there is nothing better than a factory warranty with zero headache. When compared to rolling the dice on a car, that's possibly on its third owner.
if you want a old porsche you got to be able to work on it yourself or have a decent earnings. Although if you can work on cars yourself the BRZ will be runnning dirt cheap because labor will cost more then parts for the most part.
For me a 2014 981 Cayman with 12k km was actually the same price as the decently spec-ced BRZ (both $40k), so I went for Porsche. It will be more expensive to maintain and it is 8 years old, but it will hold its value better and it is more special to drive. Also, EU spec Porsche has slightly better visual appeal. I just wish it had rear seats at least like in BRZ.
As a 14 FRS owner from 7 miles to now 109k, I've pined over the Cayman as the next step. Just buy an 86 and spend the extra coin on upgrades. I suggest some boost. I wish they put decent rods in at the factory like Toyota would.
If we lived in a world where the price of the previous generation dropped with age + the new model, I'd buy an old one and put the saved dough to mods or buy the nicest version, but we don't :(
Wonder why Subaru couldn’t figure out that camera system with a manual. My Type R had Honda Sense, adaptive cruise control, and lane keep assist and that was a manual
GR86 Vs even a new Boxster and Cayman. I'm a long time driving enthusiast, the new twins are like an improved RWD version of those classic Integra GSRs and RWD classics like the Honda S2000 etc. Cayman is more grippy, serious but not as playful. Hard to believe it costs what those Japamese legends cost new 20 plus years ago. The twins are a new Porsche 944.
@@kevincrockett5155 128i is significantly heavier with about the same power and more torque. 86 is 2800 pounds and the 128i is 3300 pounds. They accelerate at about the same but you’ll definitely feel that extra weight in the corners
I stumbled across this video because I was looking for a comparison between a base 997.1 (2005 Carrera) vs the new generation Twins. I saw an 05 Carrera for sale for $21,900 which is what got me thinking 🤔. What would the comparison looks like? They both can be had in manual, they are 2 + 2, RWD, and are similar in size.
Holy moly where did you find a 997.1 for $21,900? The only ones I've seen for anywhere near that price had a salvage title and over a hundred thousand miles on them. One with a clean title but still super high mileage were still all over $30,000. Clean title and low mileage are over $40,000.
convinced my girl to pick up an 03 boxster and first thing I noticed when ripping it around was how terrible the brakes were LOL. I have a 1st gen brz that I was comparing it to
gr 86 out the door in south FL is close to $40k. The markup here is ridiculous and I may just wait until next year for a new car purchase. I have seen 2013 Boxsters at $40K with around 50kmiles that will destroy the sub/gr86. You will of course have some heavy maintenance bills with a Porsche.
I'm with you, I refuse to pay dealer markup. Especially, if I know it is not a limited production. Paying over sticker is like getting robbed for your watch, then offering to pay for gas for the getaway vehicle and buying the guy lunch, your treat.
The Porsche actually doesn't have very expensive maintenance if you can learn to do oil changes yourself! 70% of all Porsches EVER sold are still on the road.
Even the BRZ looks a little generic, I think a roadkill with wheels on it looks better than that Porsche. I seriously don't understand you Porsche guys and why you think they look good.
Lol vicious! I kinda agree with you though, no Porsche has really appealed to me because they all look confused/dumb to me with round headlights. This was a good review though
Bad for racing but most people do not belong to a track club and will spend their lives on public roads so honestly if you like to drop the top that’s not an issue.
I love porsches but the old boxsters are crap.The original brz is the most boring sports car ever.I know of 8 people who bought one new and sold it within a year and they all said it was boring.I drove one yes it was boring and i owned a boxster and i know they are shit
Your not really a performance oriented car guy if you prefer a convertible over a fixed head coupe. Convertible equals poser. Real drivers get a Cayman not a Boxster. For my $30k I wouldn’t consider a Porsche less than an S model or a 2.9, but I think the Subaru/ Toyota would win out and I’m a life long Porsche (Porscha) guy! The numbers on the BRZ/GR 86 match up with my beloved 944 Turbo almost exactly and it’s without all the expensive maintenance headaches. Again Porsche let’s me down in everything other than the driving experience. 😖
I went to dealer to check the BRZ gorgoues car.Seats felt comfortable and sitting position feels natural.Driver focus! instantly feels like a fun car to drive.Going to get it.
The personally think the 1st gen Boxsters are fugly, but to each his own. I’ve had 3 generations of Caymans, a 987, 981 & a 718. Just sold the 718 and have a GR86 on order. The GR86 is 100% of the fun I had with the Caymans, but at a fraction of the price and the maintenance is cheap compared to the Porsche. Yes, you can do maintenance yourself on the Boxster, but anything you do isn’t cheap on a German car & the reliability isn’t there like Japanese cars. Also, you can’t haul a set of tack tires in a Baxter or a Cayman like you can in the GR86 or BRZ. So, I’ll be happy both behind the wheel, heading to the track and at the bank with the GR86.
Great perspective thanks for that :)
I love Boxster's but Id go with the BRZ for the modern conveniences
Good choice!
That is exactly the question I was trying to figure out. Spent a lot of the winter looking for an 09-11 Cayman S. with low mileage. For about 40% less, I bought a BRZ. I figure it is lower key than being a Porsche owner and I can treat it like a sports car without the fuss. I think I made the right choice.I can punish friends who want a ride across town by making the back seat avaialble. Haha..get in!
Great review! Used porsches are so expensive in my area now, even the 2001 models are above 30k. I'll go with the GR86. My biggest concern was the steering feel and you addressed that. Thanks!
Thanks! Yeah, the GR86's steering is excellent.
Used Porsches are expensive because they are beautiful and better made.
Great video. I had a 986.2 base boxster years ago. My dream car was always the '09 to 12 Cayman S. Lately my brain has been telling me that the GR86 might be the smarter decision.
Going back and forth on just about this exact choice. Still have to test drive both… those 987.2 caymans - even the base model, are just so rare, I’m worried if I don’t scoop one up soon I never will be able to, or prices will skyrocket. Maybe just paranoid.
Cool video! Solid advice. From a practicality standpoint, I'd argue those rear seats of the BRZ + cupholders make it far more practical than the frunk on the Boxster
Possibly, but we've managed to carry a ton of stuff in the Boxster! 😉
@@carbuzzcom Where there's a will, there's a way. My 2 Miatas are surprisingly practical when I put my mind to it!
If your Boxster has "dead on-center steering"; then you have worn tie rods and drive gear. It is not a characteristic of the car.
The problem with older used vehicles is that each one of them feels different to drive. A few years ago I was looking for a fun winter beater. I was looking at Mazda 2's. The first handled amazing, so fun for a cheap car but lost out to another buyer. The next two I drove felt nothing like the first, both having sloppy handling even though one of them had the least miles of the 3. You really have to treat each car as an individual with it's own behavior and quirks and not buy something off reputation alone (auction sites). I'd take the BRZ!
Yeah... Maintenance wasn't done to the second car. That's why it felt like shit.
That was a nice insightful, informative and unbiased review. Thank you. Id take a c6 z51 manual vette myself but hey JMO
Thanks! C6 Vette would be cool, also for around the same price as a new BRZ.
BRZ anyday for a daily. Apple Carplay and Android Auto is super helpful and you get more storage.
This video is exactly what I was looking for.. Thanks for making it!
Before we had this ridiculous Used car market. You could easily scoop up a 997 Carrera (Base) in the 30k range ☹️.
From my personal experience one owner Carreras are pretty well maintained. Boxsters/Caymans you're really buying the previous owner, more than you're buying the car. You need to get a PPI (private purchase inspection).
On the other hand of you a D.I.Y guy/gal boxsters are easy to work on. If you're not, there is nothing better than a factory warranty with zero headache. When compared to rolling the dice on a car, that's possibly on its third owner.
Exactly!
if you want a old porsche you got to be able to work on it yourself or have a decent earnings. Although if you can work on cars yourself the BRZ will be runnning dirt cheap because labor will cost more then parts for the most part.
For me a 2014 981 Cayman with 12k km was actually the same price as the decently spec-ced BRZ (both $40k), so I went for Porsche. It will be more expensive to maintain and it is 8 years old, but it will hold its value better and it is more special to drive. Also, EU spec Porsche has slightly better visual appeal.
I just wish it had rear seats at least like in BRZ.
Great and relevant review. Was looking between these and also a Cayman. I’m thinking the GR86 variant might get my coin.
Cayman is great, but the GR86 and BRZ are also great!
Porsche = Respect.
Toyota says you are poor.
@@Jwdude123 when your buying as "toy" not a 'commuter' its a different story. 🤣
@@Jwdude123 If you're buying cars to show them off to other people you're doing the whole living life thing wrong.
Here in the UK you can find a rough boxster for £2k but a used GT86 costs a good 10K. I'd love a GT86 but they are just too costly
As a 14 FRS owner from 7 miles to now 109k, I've pined over the Cayman as the next step. Just buy an 86 and spend the extra coin on upgrades. I suggest some boost. I wish they put decent rods in at the factory like Toyota would.
Great video. I think that BRZ would be my best option. Manual transmission off course 😁
Of course! No automatic!
Porsche gets respect. Not a suubie.
If we lived in a world where the price of the previous generation dropped with age + the new model, I'd buy an old one and put the saved dough to mods or buy the nicest version, but we don't :(
2014 Porche Boxter S with 25k Miles is priced at $50k at dealership. Currently everything is crazy with car market prices.
Wait a little! All of them will come down. Right now is not the time to buy a car or a house.
Wonder why Subaru couldn’t figure out that camera system with a manual. My Type R had Honda Sense, adaptive cruise control, and lane keep assist and that was a manual
GR86 Vs even a new Boxster and Cayman. I'm a long time driving enthusiast, the new twins are like an improved RWD version of those classic Integra GSRs and RWD classics like the Honda S2000 etc. Cayman is more grippy, serious but not as playful. Hard to believe it costs what those Japamese legends cost new 20 plus years ago. The twins are a new Porsche 944.
I think of them as a 128i with the M Sport package.
@@kevincrockett5155 128i is significantly heavier with about the same power and more torque. 86 is 2800 pounds and the 128i is 3300 pounds. They accelerate at about the same but you’ll definitely feel that extra weight in the corners
I stumbled across this video because I was looking for a comparison between a base 997.1 (2005 Carrera) vs the new generation Twins. I saw an 05 Carrera for sale for $21,900 which is what got me thinking 🤔. What would the comparison looks like? They both can be had in manual, they are 2 + 2, RWD, and are similar in size.
Holy moly where did you find a 997.1 for $21,900? The only ones I've seen for anywhere near that price had a salvage title and over a hundred thousand miles on them. One with a clean title but still super high mileage were still all over $30,000. Clean title and low mileage are over $40,000.
I bought the BRZ and someone traded in a Boxter at the dealership where bought mine for a BRZ
BRZ is also going to have much stronger/rigid chassis
Absolutely
great review. gr86 would be my pick
convinced my girl to pick up an 03 boxster and first thing I noticed when ripping it around was how terrible the brakes were LOL. I have a 1st gen brz that I was comparing it to
Yes, our brakes aren't good either. Remember, it's an old car.
To me is a no brainer, new is better that old. a 2001 Porsche is a 20 yr old car.
Was literally considering this a couple of months ago. Went with a BMW 230i M sport instead.
Cool!
gr 86 out the door in south FL is close to $40k. The markup here is ridiculous and I may just wait until next year for a new car purchase. I have seen 2013 Boxsters at $40K with around 50kmiles that will destroy the sub/gr86. You will of course have some heavy maintenance bills with a Porsche.
If you can't find a BRZ for less than a $10,000 markup, don't buy it. Or even if you can fly somewhere for $200 and drive it home, we'd do that.
I'm with you, I refuse to pay dealer markup. Especially, if I know it is not a limited production.
Paying over sticker is like getting robbed for your watch, then offering to pay for gas for the getaway vehicle and buying the guy lunch, your treat.
The Porsche actually doesn't have very expensive maintenance if you can learn to do oil changes yourself! 70% of all Porsches EVER sold are still on the road.
Comparing old boxer with new brz. How about current base 718 vs brz? Well the 718 probably can buy close to 2 brz
The lights were called the "Runny Egg" lights NOT "Fried Egg" lights.
We've heard fried egg: jalopnik.com/in-defense-of-the-fried-egg-porsches-best-headlights-1846160096
Would love to see you compare your thoughts of your Boxster vs the new Boxster gts 4.0 ltr.
We've driven the Cayman GTS 4.0. It's incredible. Truly no comparison. Possibly the best sports car on sale today.
@@carbuzzcom I couldn’t agree more. I was lucky enough to get a 2021 Boxster GTS 4.0 and I LOVE this car!
@@mikeshepherd726 it's so great!
Yeah, would rather have a low mileage Vette than a slow boxter. Fyi there is little to no prestige with an old base model boxter.
Maybe to some Porsche people, but the average person doesn't care if there is an S on the back or not.
definitely more prestige than a vette.
Obviously a brand new BRZ...who wants to deal with the issues of a Porsche
Auto is the way to go
Should’ve titled this “Boxer vs. Boxster”
Not as good for SEO, LOL
BRZ or S2K for me.
Porsche.
Done.
Never trust someone that cant take their sunglasses off when talking to you.
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mang i dont even drive my s2000 much, but i really want this brz
It's really good! The S2000's engine is more special though. We'd hold onto the S2K given how prices are skyrocketing.
BRZ is modern day japesne boxster
Surprised both haven't been converted to CBs favorite body style....the shooting brake 🤣🤣
A BRZ shooting brake would be AWESOME!
Even the BRZ looks a little generic, I think a roadkill with wheels on it looks better than that Porsche. I seriously don't understand you Porsche guys and why you think they look good.
Lol vicious! I kinda agree with you though, no Porsche has really appealed to me because they all look confused/dumb to me with round headlights. This was a good review though
Buy PS5 and get GT7 then you can drive both virtualy. Problem solved for good.
Good solution!
Get the BRZ a newer better Porsche .
Bro it's 2022 nobody likes the fried egg and they never will
Drop tops ruin good cars also bad for racing
Bad for racing but most people do not belong to a track club and will spend their lives on public roads so honestly if you like to drop the top that’s not an issue.
u lose a lot more money in next 7 years with gr86, brz, than with gen 2 cayman
I love porsches but the old boxsters are crap.The original brz is the most boring sports car ever.I know of 8 people who bought one new and sold it within a year and they all said it was boring.I drove one yes it was boring and i owned a boxster and i know they are shit
2022 Brz owner.Very unstable sports car.Sold mine after 3 months of boring, unstable, extremely hot cabin.
Your not really a performance oriented car guy if you prefer a convertible over a fixed head coupe. Convertible equals poser. Real drivers get a Cayman not a Boxster. For my $30k I wouldn’t consider a Porsche less than an S model or a 2.9, but I think the Subaru/ Toyota would win out and I’m a life long Porsche (Porscha) guy! The numbers on the BRZ/GR 86 match up with my beloved 944 Turbo almost exactly and it’s without all the expensive maintenance headaches. Again Porsche let’s me down in everything other than the driving experience. 😖
Is the Carrera GT a poser car?
They ate both rubbish buy the new gr 86 big difference
auto - bleh
Nobody likes the fried eggs fam