New cat owner here, and new Patreon supporter. Your videos are priceless to the community. It's been really surprising to me how few good instructional videos there are available and you're doing an incredible job filling that void. Thanks so much
Great vid. Thanks. When there is even less wind and the cat won't come over in a tack, I have done the following and it works... Point straight into the wind, uncleat the jib and main. Then physically grab the main and push it out as if on a broad reach. Reverse the rudders direction. So the cat stops and it's being "back winded" at this point. The cat goes backward and turns onto the other tack. When you have it just pull in the main and change the rudder direction to go correctly on that new tack. That's called back winding the rig. Thanks
Great video. A bit particular situation but I have a narrow harbor exit (3-4 boat lengths) that sometimes requires exiting almost directly into the wind. Wind is slight in harbor so hard to make the tacks and very little room to gain enough speed given width. Usually works if we execute perfect tacks sometimes with paddle to help with forward motion. However, sometimes tack is blown and we are pushed into the boats on sidelines. Any brilliant ideas beyond improving our tacking execution? Tack earlier with more space and then go backwards when in irons? Keep main sheeted tighter during tack? Or fly you here so you can get us out? hahahaha.
@@JoyriderTV cool. will check it out--we we will figure it out the hard way through trial and error--your advice tomorrow may give us insight--always horrible feeling to be blown backwards into the boats while the spectators gasp or rather guffaw...:-)
Moving your weight aft just before you tack will rotate the boat faster. But stay on the formally windward side just like you demonstrated. If there is a bit more wind you may need to rapidly move across the boat at a diagonal angle to slam down the bow if the wind catches under the trampoline. But it is a very fast way of tacking.
Ah the age long question many times discussed for the 16. Is it more efficient to pivot the boat around the back corner or to keep it as flat as possible through the tack in light winds. Pivot point or speed...
Pulling the boom towards you helps the bows turn more as the main sail weathervanes (closer to the toe strap instead of directly over the center). Then as you cross over, the boom/main are far enough out that you can sheet it in and fill the mainsail.
I don’t understand why you loosen the mainsheet after tacking. Since your close to the wind, wouldn’t you want the sail in close? I would really appreciate an anwser!
This is even great for someone who's sailed for a while .... Main Sheet on tack = exit on speed Thanks again Joe. Still would love you to to talk us through sailing Downwind Fast
As usual, as this is a sequence of actions and movements of just a few seconds, it certainly pays off practicing that in a dry run on land or on the mooring. And if it is at home on the carpet sorting out your legs as Joe shows to be able to go to the other side in one wide step, sitting down in the same way, and going back again. When you spend 20 minutes making that sequence 50 times (going through the "checklist"), your body and the small of your brain automates that all on its own. Well-invested time, you cannot achieve that in hours of sailing, no one goes out and spoils the fun of sailing fast by doing tack after tack. And it makes it safer, as you do less errors on the water, when it HAS to work. Less capsizes... Add what e.g. ben howe wrote here, that you also train how to move your body backward and then forward during the tack.
I did such a repetition work at Wildwind on the water for going in and out of the trapeze as helm, it helped me enormously repeating that maybe 50 times, since then it just works without much thinking "how have my legs to be?"
Hello Joe, would you keep the jib back winded that long on a catamaran with daggerboards or center boards or is it because the Hobie 16 does not have daggerboards?
It seems that fast moving of tiller is counter productive. I do that too but it seems it just stalls the boat. Will try like in the video, slowly and smoothly turn
@@bostjanlaba From Joe's science nerd nemesis (that haunts him making long-winded technical reasonings to his great explanations): "Stalling" is the key word. The rudder is like a plans's wing, it creates lift (and unavoidable "parasitic" drag) when put at an angle to the air- or here water-flow. The lift is what pushes the stern to the side, the drag slows it down. A wing/rudder can only maintain so much angle of attack, it it is too much, the air/waterflow cannot follow the curve of the wing/rudder anymore, the air/water-flow delaminates from the surface, causing the lift to collapse and the drag to explode. (seen as extreme, if you lay the rudder 90 degrees in an instant, you just stick a board sideways into the water, and the water has no clue that it shall go to one specific side; it just creates two vortices on either side of the board, that are only drag-producing). As I understand it in the meantime, contrary to airplaine wings, a rudder (and a sail) create a lot of their effect by changing the direction of the air/water, and therefore are not 100% comparable. But as the extreme example shows, this deflection of the air/waterflow direction must be somewhat moderate. So you should not lay rudder as much as you can, you must give the boat time to react, that it begins to move before you increase the rudder angle more and more. Enter Joe, he has the feel to hit these angles just right, he is the born sailor; I just know the technical aspect, still struggle sometimes even after 25 years of holidays at Wildwind.
Do you have tell-tails on your mainsail? I don't believe you've ever discussed use of mainsail tell-tails. My Hobie Getaway came with tell-tails on the mainsail but without tell-tails on the roller furler jib.
I don’t quite understand why releasing the main sheet after turning increases your chance of having a successful tack; since we’re close to the wind, won’t having it in tight catch the wind faster? If we let the sail out like we are reaching, although we just tacked and are hauling, won’t that hinder the ability of the sail to catch wind? An answer would be forever appreciated!
@@JoyriderTV thanks so much for the anwser! Great explanantion, helped a lot! Ill also use this oportunity to say that your channel is amazing and contributes a huge amount to the sailing community! I wish you the best of wind! Cheers!
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New cat owner here, and new Patreon supporter. Your videos are priceless to the community. It's been really surprising to me how few good instructional videos there are available and you're doing an incredible job filling that void. Thanks so much
Much appreciated! Thanks,
More to come.
Great vid. Thanks.
When there is even less wind and the cat won't come over in a tack, I have done the following and it works...
Point straight into the wind, uncleat the jib and main. Then physically grab the main and push it out as if on a broad reach. Reverse the rudders direction. So the cat stops and it's being "back winded" at this point. The cat goes backward and turns onto the other tack. When you have it just pull in the main and change the rudder direction to go correctly on that new tack. That's called back winding the rig. Thanks
Yes, good tip - it's what we used to call - push push pull pull.
Yep, I have done it, it works like described.
Oh my god it's like you hear what i need!
I'm always listening!
Great video. A bit particular situation but I have a narrow harbor exit (3-4 boat lengths) that sometimes requires exiting almost directly into the wind. Wind is slight in harbor so hard to make the tacks and very little room to gain enough speed given width. Usually works if we execute perfect tacks sometimes with paddle to help with forward motion. However, sometimes tack is blown and we are pushed into the boats on sidelines. Any brilliant ideas beyond improving our tacking execution? Tack earlier with more space and then go backwards when in irons? Keep main sheeted tighter during tack? Or fly you here so you can get us out? hahahaha.
Yes, all of those things.
I think this will be best explained in the Q+A tomorrow.
@@JoyriderTV cool. will check it out--we we will figure it out the hard way through trial and error--your advice tomorrow may give us insight--always horrible feeling to be blown backwards into the boats while the spectators gasp or rather guffaw...:-)
@@JoyriderTV How do we get to see the Q and A? I think I know the answer but any information would be helpful...
Moving your weight aft just before you tack will rotate the boat faster. But stay on the formally windward side just like you demonstrated. If there is a bit more wind you may need to rapidly move across the boat at a diagonal angle to slam down the bow if the wind catches under the trampoline. But it is a very fast way of tacking.
Great tips.
Ah the age long question many times discussed for the 16. Is it more efficient to pivot the boat around the back corner or to keep it as flat as possible through the tack in light winds. Pivot point or speed...
Fantastic video for begginers like me!!!!!! Thanks!!!
You're very welcome!
Pulling the boom towards you helps the bows turn more as the main sail weathervanes (closer to the toe strap instead of directly over the center). Then as you cross over, the boom/main are far enough out that you can sheet it in and fill the mainsail.
Great tip! Thanks
I don’t understand why you loosen the mainsheet after tacking. Since your close to the wind, wouldn’t you want the sail in close? I would really appreciate an anwser!
This is even great for someone who's sailed for a while .... Main Sheet on tack = exit on speed
Thanks again Joe.
Still would love you to to talk us through sailing Downwind Fast
Thanks Bill,
Downwind video is on the list.
As usual, as this is a sequence of actions and movements of just a few seconds, it certainly pays off practicing that in a dry run on land or on the mooring. And if it is at home on the carpet sorting out your legs as Joe shows to be able to go to the other side in one wide step, sitting down in the same way, and going back again.
When you spend 20 minutes making that sequence 50 times (going through the "checklist"), your body and the small of your brain automates that all on its own.
Well-invested time, you cannot achieve that in hours of sailing, no one goes out and spoils the fun of sailing fast by doing tack after tack. And it makes it safer, as you do less errors on the water, when it HAS to work. Less capsizes...
Add what e.g. ben howe wrote here, that you also train how to move your body backward and then forward during the tack.
I did such a repetition work at Wildwind on the water for going in and out of the trapeze as helm, it helped me enormously repeating that maybe 50 times, since then it just works without much thinking "how have my legs to be?"
wise words there Stefan!
Thanks!
Thanks very much, Very kind.
Cheers
if you don't have to grab the main block to snap the battens the other way then you are not sailing in light winds ;)
🤩
I have hobie wave with no jib, main only. Common at our club. Would appreciate tacking instructions on main only wave
I think with the wave it's quite a specific process - i'll go through it when i next get on a wave.
Thanks buds, not as exciting, but keeping it going. 😉
Yeah, sometimes you have to sail in light winds!
The boom cam angle is so strange looking at a 16 sailing with no mast
Ahhhh vertigo. Combined with the creepy Stephen Kingesk waaah waaah in the audio I was running for Pepto 🤣
Ha! Yes, no mast required on this bad boy!
Hi, Joe, new camera? Looks like a 9 👍😊
This is an Insta360 that i have borrowed
Hi Jo, another question. In which hole on the jib clew must I set up in which wind strength?
We'll talk about that in tomorrow's q+A
We'll talk about that in tomorrow's q+a
Hello Joe, would you keep the jib back winded that long on a catamaran with daggerboards or center boards or is it because the Hobie 16 does not have daggerboards?
Not on a boat that tacks easily, I would change the jib as soon as past head to wind - but not before.
Hi Jo. Question. Should I tack once the jib has backed or wait until the main has?
I'll talk about this in today's Q+A
How fast do you push the tiller? I push as far as I can as fast as I can. You seem to slowly turn the boat.
I like to know this two. Several times I have been stuck in iron while tacking in slow winds.
It seems that fast moving of tiller is counter productive. I do that too but it seems it just stalls the boat. Will try like in the video, slowly and smoothly turn
Yeah, for some reason i didn't mention it.
Think of sailing the boat up to head to wind rather than pushing the rudders as hard as possible.
@@bostjanlaba From Joe's science nerd nemesis (that haunts him making long-winded technical reasonings to his great explanations):
"Stalling" is the key word.
The rudder is like a plans's wing, it creates lift (and unavoidable "parasitic" drag) when put at an angle to the air- or here water-flow. The lift is what pushes the stern to the side, the drag slows it down.
A wing/rudder can only maintain so much angle of attack, it it is too much, the air/waterflow cannot follow the curve of the wing/rudder anymore, the air/water-flow delaminates from the surface, causing the lift to collapse and the drag to explode.
(seen as extreme, if you lay the rudder 90 degrees in an instant, you just stick a board sideways into the water, and the water has no clue that it shall go to one specific side; it just creates two vortices on either side of the board, that are only drag-producing).
As I understand it in the meantime, contrary to airplaine wings, a rudder (and a sail) create a lot of their effect by changing the direction of the air/water, and therefore are not 100% comparable. But as the extreme example shows, this deflection of the air/waterflow direction must be somewhat moderate.
So you should not lay rudder as much as you can, you must give the boat time to react, that it begins to move before you increase the rudder angle more and more.
Enter Joe, he has the feel to hit these angles just right, he is the born sailor; I just know the technical aspect, still struggle sometimes even after 25 years of holidays at Wildwind.
Do you have tell-tails on your mainsail? I don't believe you've ever discussed use of mainsail tell-tails. My Hobie Getaway came with tell-tails on the mainsail but without tell-tails on the roller furler jib.
here you go th-cam.com/video/_bqs-XXFf1M/w-d-xo.html
Hobiecat 14 is more difficult, how do we do that? Can you show us?
Yes, I did extensive testing and troubleshooting:
Tacking The H14
th-cam.com/video/DG3IRKFBTVo/w-d-xo.html
H14 tacking troubleshooting light wind
th-cam.com/video/b27buQeJXXA/w-d-xo.html
H14 tacking troubleshooting stronger wind
th-cam.com/video/O5voVbVmCy4/w-d-xo.html
I don’t quite understand why releasing the main sheet after turning increases your chance of having a successful tack; since we’re close to the wind, won’t having it in tight catch the wind faster? If we let the sail out like we are reaching, although we just tacked and are hauling, won’t that hinder the ability of the sail to catch wind? An answer would be forever appreciated!
Hi,
I'll respond to your question in this week's Q+A that way I can go into more detail.
Cheers
@@JoyriderTV thanks so much for the anwser! Great explanantion, helped a lot! Ill also use this oportunity to say that your channel is amazing and contributes a huge amount to the sailing community! I wish you the best of wind! Cheers!