Neostead 2000 Dual-Tube Pump Shotgun
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Developed in the mid 1990s by South African designer Tony Neophytou, the Neostead 2000 is a pump action shotgun with a substantial cult following. It was the first truly high-capacity shotgun put into production, with two magazine tubes over a single barrel (a concept which was independently implemented by KelTec in their later KSG shotgun). This configuration gave it a capacity of 12+1, and a selector switch allowed the shooter to control whether only one tube was fed from or if both would be used alternating back and forth. Thus the tubes could be loaded with different types of ammunition to have readily available at the flip of a switch. It was produced only in 12ga, with a 3" chamber.
The Neostead has a bullpup type layout, with the action and ejection port behind the grip and trigger. This allows a full-length barrel in a short overall package, and it is for this reason that the pump mechanism is designed to cycle opposite of traditional shotguns (forward to open and back to close). By having the shooter pulling their hand rearwards to close the action, the potential danger of the hand slipping in front of the muzzle while firing (something that has happened on the KSG) can be avoided.
Production of the Neostead did not happen until the early 2000s, and only 200 of the guns were made. The problem was ultimately the excessive complexity of the design. Short-stroking the pump could result in two shells both trying to feed onto the lifter, which would require field stripping the gun to resolve. The internal complexity also made the gun quite expensive - too expensive to be commercially successful. Most of the guns remain in South Africa today, where they are sought after as collectible items.
Many thanks to the anonymous collector who provided the production gun for disassembly, and to Mr. Neophytou for providing his prototype for firing!
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South African guns always look space age man. They’re so sweet
Hahaha, Otto VonBearsmark. That's a hilarious name. 10/10 would unite the kleinstaterai with
IKR? I love their designs.
It's like they ran out of every color plastic but black at the Nerf factory. You could almost imagine the workers running around making laser noises with them.
Thy look like OP videogame weapons
moosemaimer
pew pew pew 👉
"I have been told that I have to finish off the box of ammo that I started on"
sounds like a good problem to have, mate.
It is such a South African thing to say :D
There are gunless children in Europe who don't have any ammo to shoot. You're going to sit at that range until you're done all your shells, young man.
Was thinking the same thing when he said that!
"No beer till you finish your tequila!"
Yeah, such a terrible problem to have. And it's pretty much self-solving!
As a South African I'm becoming more and more pleased as I realize just how many SA guns are featured in various games
Plot twist... It was a cypriot guy that designed these guns.... teehee awkward
@@ax4178 Except he is South African 🇿🇦......teeeheeee awkward.
@@areyoustillridingthegoat2954 thats why he said plot twist homie
@@taylorbell3213 Are you dumb? He said plot twist, implying that the original commenter is incorrect.
@@areyoustillridingthegoat2954 yes i am dumb
I'd love to see the ejection button be pressed while this was fully loaded!
EsplodingBomb I guess it would blow it load all over the place, just shells everywhere
Like spraying a deck of card into the air
There’s a retainer....,
Shell facial.
@Simo Please use the term "blow it's load" as often as possible in whenever context conceivable.
You've heard of the HK Slap; now, prepare yourselves for the Neostead Chop!
hjp14 I laughed way to hard at that, thank you
Good gun pun
Valhalan guardsman That gun pun was a tun of fun!
James Worden Thun gun pun wun aun tun ofun fun!
Would this be qualified for the use of Gun Fu
This thing is so ridiculously complicated and so smartly designed at the same time. I'm in love.
One "April fool's Day" in the future, a very nasty person will take one of those futuristic looking outer casings, fill it up with ball bearings, exotic small parts an a lot of strong springs, hand it to Ian and say "you can open it up but I must warn you, the inner workings are VERY complex"
Ian: "What the hell you need ball bearings for?"
Said nasty person (played by Chevy Chase): "It's all ball bearings nowadays!"
This looks like a specialist's dream; loading the tubes with two types of ammo, for different targets, and jumping out of vehicles/into tight spaces. Also looks well suited for home defense.
yeah when he mentioned you can pick which tube to use, that was my first thought. Possibly useful for hunting too? Say, buckshot in one tube and birdshot in the other, then you can essentially hunt both at the same time. Also a military/police application i just thought of! Beanbag rounds in one, lethal rounds in the other. In a hostage situation, you can quickly switch between the lethal rounds for definite threats, and beanbags for potential threats. Or in a riot, (topical ik) fire beanbags, and then if an armed criminal pops up, go for the lethals. The possibilities with this are endless!
It is really cool. Unfortunately, magazine-fed shotguns make it pretty much obsolete.
@@australiananarchist480 Exactly what I played in an FPS game called A.V.A LOL. In the game, the standard shooting mode is buck shot, then you can right click to switch to slug shot.
@@Brawler_1337 they definitely don't mag fed shotguns are great...until you need to actually use them in the field those mags are fucking huge and insanely heavy.
You can at most carry a 25 rd drum and 1-2 10 rd mags but those will add so much weight and clumsiness the drum you'll have to abandon as you can't keep it anywheres but in the gun and carry it and the 10 rd mags will cover basically all the real estate on your vest.
Tubes are faster to reload than mags, can easily be topped off, and you can carry 100 rds of shotshells on your kit, belt, in bandoliers,loose in pouches etc. However you want really far less clumsy and far far lighter the mags alone empty for shotguns are a few pounds which is a fuck load
@@Brawler_1337 not to mention mag fed almost completely removes one of the main advantages of shotguns and that's being able to switch out round types pretty rapidly
Fond, fond memories of using this gun with slugs in Bad Company 2. Those were the days!
Sniped a few pilots with it
The slugs, man...
The days where slugs were actually like irl slugs
Arica Harbour
Yeah. Shotgun slug sniping was brilliant fun.
I remember asking a question about 2 years ago "what do you plan to do when you run out of different gun models to showcase."
You responded:
"I plan on retiring, but I'll probably be long dead before that happens."
Stanley Scalf
that's a funny question. Ian will uh can't run out of firearms biographies cause there are thousands upon thousands of various firearms in this world.
gun jeebus neva diez! just goes back to himself (21:66 letters from youtubes)
He'll just go back and start shooting
Every
Single
One
He'll start doing auction videos.
As he goes he builds his reputation which expands his access. Just seems unlikely, now he barely has time to keep up with everything.
ahhh, the quake 2 super shotgun. one of my favorite designs.
thats what I was thinking
one of the best designs indeed
Yeah that's what my mind immediately went to. Two "barrels", pump action, it even has the weird padded carry handle. All it needs is a grey & green paint job and it'll be perfect.
I never tought that the Quake 2 super shotgun could possibly be inspired by this weapon.
The most impressive thing in this whole video is the intact plastic. I have confirmed that there are at least 6 of these shotguns in my country, and all of them have plastic furniture that has cracked and broken simply by virtue of being cheap plastic. I burn-tested small shavings of the Neostead 2000 plastic, and it's really cheap ABS recycled sewer pipe when these should be made from 30% glass fiber fill nylon at the very least.
Well, the production gun I disassembled is unfired. The one we were shooting has a stock made of much sturdier material.
Right, sorry. For the examples floating around in the wild, I have to say it's a real shame about the plastic.
I have 3D scanned the fore-ends and I'm trying to see if I can have examples machined from aluminum. If you'd like to be kept in the loop for this project, you you can send me an email at unlimitedshootingworks@gmail.com
Thank you, I really enjoy all your content.
Great info - crying damn shame about such a seemingly well engineered firearm(as complicated as it is, if there were mechanical problems, you'd think they'd be evident with the first cycling) receiving such absolutely disgustingly shoddy plastics. There's a number of alternatives that they could've used that would hold up better, especially with fiberglass reinforcing.
There could be an aftermarket demand then....
You know, recycled material for the environment. Winner gets to live longer..
Germany over engineers everything
South Africa: oi you kak hold me beer
Difference is, the South African things work properly
@@ItsRawdraft2 MAG-7 wants to have a word with you.
@@ItsRawdraft2 are you on drugs?
Well a lot of boers are of German descent the other 2 large groups are Dutch and British
@@kg4boj "Don't judge me because I'm claiming everything I say is a fact and that protects me from all harm!"
You're a genuinely deluded individual with an inflated belief in your own intelligence. Under your logic, you may not criticize this statement because it is factual.
My favourite sort of engineering. The sort you admire whilst thinking "but why did they bother?"
Wish they made more of these. You could have two types on shells and deliberately choose which shell type to fire. Very neat.
There's a similar shotgun called UTAS-15 which is a 12ga with 2 side by side 7 round tubes. The DP-12 is another similar one, but that has 2 barrels.
That shotgun was beast in the Bad Company 2.
load slugs in and now its a sniper.
one shot kill on any body part in hardcore mode. reload cancel for uber rpm.
Bloodhit even moreso in Bad Company 1
Bloodhit DAMN THE DAMAGE I LOVE IT
It was hilariously bugged to the point where you can snipe people across the map.
Yes it's complicated, but it's absolutely brilliant. This was fun to watch get taken apart.
Lest we forget, conventional pumps are cludgy nightmares too. There's a reason why the shorter disassembly videos for 870s and M500s are ~8 minutes and most are closer to 20. A lot of fiddly parts that can be installed incorrectly.
@@GunFunZS yeah it's shocking that such a simple gun to use is so difficult to take apart, while some of the guns that seem like they would be more complex (ARs, etc) disassemble easily. I guess the old Steve jobs saying "it's harder to make something simple" is true
Everybody: The keltec ksg is the first dual tube bullpup shotgun.
Forgotten weapons: I'm about to end this mans whole career.
he said that
@Joe Blow its what we like to call, in the business, a joke
@@saintofall8527 BASED AND GUN JESUS PILLED
If the Remington 870 is the Honda Accord of shotguns, the Neostead is the Cadillac 8-6-4.
"I was told we have to finish the box of ammo" is the new "there's leftover cake who wants it?"
What's this "leftover cake" of which you speak of?😕
No it's the new version of "19 dollar fortnite card. Who wants it?"
@@ZacharySkan free fortnite cards here! See me in my van.
Ian Karate chops the gun at 1:10
KIP also at 18:00
We need a remix with plenty of "HAI-YA!" sound effects.
From the makers of the HK slap now bring you the Neo-chop!
He uses Karate chops for the opposite reason he uses a pen.
I see you are a blood donor, Ian.
I am a volunteer paramedic for the Red Cross here in Austria, so I can whole heartedly say, I respect every blood donor including you!
An unofficial thank you from the Red Cross!
This was like the best shotgun in the original Bad Company. Even at my young age I thought this was a peculiar weapon.
These really should come back on the commercial market. I would take this over the current crop of barely functional multi-tube shotguns.
Similar but cooler, you can get a Tavor 12. I haven't heard of any reliability issues with that, then again there's a lot of stuff I haven't heard ...
Doesn't take much to make the KSG look like hot garbage. But yeah, I'd love to see these on the US market.
Negotiate a production licence and set up a US factory. The higher production cost of the complexity will be slightly balanced by the , "buy something vaguely the right shape and mash it 'till it fits." idea used in this design.
The KSG works. The UTS15 does not, and for 5 years they haven't even bothered to try fixing their $800 shotgun. Which is $100 more than the KSG.
Kizron Kizronson Not really... I doubt the average gun maker has a forging machine capable of making a barrel that way. It's only used by the really high end gun makers like FN from what I've seen.
its like the designer decided to reinvent the wheel then the axle, then the cart, then the horse, the harness, ect ect...
PsychoLucario and he tried to do it with as many parts as humanly possibl
Passion project for sure
@Holger H. Shit, we have to step up our game again.
"Achim, bring die Atomuhr und den Phasenrichter! Hier steht die Ehre auf dem Spiel!"
yeah and unfortuanetly thats why the designer eventually hated the gun. He said so on the podcast :(
If you're climbing in and out of armored vehicles, the bullpup design is very helpful.
That's some Half-Life level reverb in that firing range.
I remember this gun being in Fallout: Tactics as a full auto shotty.
A videogame has LIED to me!
I'm kinda certain they used the Pancor Jackhammer, at least they did in 1 and 2, I think
@@stevejohnson6593 and Tactics too
These are the kind of videos that make this channel unique. There is hardly any footage on this "unicorn" gun out there, let alone one that explains it all as nicely as this channel does.
Good comment I was thinking the same
It really lives up to the name of the channel
Bad Company!
this with slugs
Or dragons breath
wrong game
Someone tag Russianbadger here
i knew i used this shotgun in a game before but couldn't put my finger on it ... thanks for reminding me.
Every time you showcase a firearm from a South African designer I am amazed at how they are built. In some respects it's like reinventing the wheel, but at the same time I can respect that they aren't just copying previous designs from other weapons.
That is the result of sanctions on any equipment and supplies on many kinds and especially firearms, parts etc until 1994, perhaps a bit earlier, against SA.
Guys had to make a plan here with what was available.
I have a KSG and it's a great shotgun. If Keltec were to incorporate some of the features of the Neosted 2000 into the KSG, they would have a really great gun. What I like about the KSG is the manual tube selector. In the center position, it actually blocks both tubes from feeding rounds to the chamber. This is actually a great safety feature as it allows you to extract an unfired shell from the chamber without cycling another from the magazine into the chamber. The only other shotguns I am aware of that have a feed stop feature are the Benelli Novas.
OK WOAH CHILL OUT THERE.
Iv been searching for YEARS for this thing after I saw it in the Battlefield franchise YEARS ago.
Only saw props and airsoft NEVER the real thing.
THIS IS COOOOOOOOOOL
Where is the Airsoft replica?
The Quake II Super Shotty! :D
So the Strogg were defeated by South Africa!
Dinner-fork tongue *HUH*
all squad leaders, coordinate with sister teams
"Marines, we're at 5% ground force operational status"
I *knew* this looked familiar!
What an ingenious design. They really thought of everything, and assembled it all in such a unique and elegant manner. Bravo!
I am so glad you finally did the Neostead 2000! This was a great video.
For having such complicated functions, the gun itself seems to actually be quite simply constructed. A really odd but incredible specimen this is.
"What can we do to make a bullpup shotgun safer?"
"Let's make everything super complicated and intricate and working together!"
Is there any practical reason you couldn't just put a vertical foregrip onto the pump handle to keep your hand out of the muzzle blast?
it might crack under the repeated strain and recoil? it might unbalance the gun too much? it might work too well? it would be too simple a solution and the engineers would gripe?
Dafydd Flower there were people who thought that, KSG included, until they started breaking off and causing even more issues.
Not to mention the chainsaw grip offered for many shotguns. could be handy for a low slung shooting from the hips, though I am not sure how practical they really are if you want to, I don't know, aim or fire from the shoulder?
Watched dozens of your videos over the past few weeks and this is one of the most unique firearms I’ve seen, very interesting!
I love the insights you can glean from an engineering perspective on a firearm like this.
Some really great examples of 'reversing' some common firearm design elements (like moving the barrel instead of the bolt) and that twin tube mechanism looks super complex, but functions in such a straight forward way!
Ian, thanks for finding and visiting the folks who own such a rare beast!
I wanna load one tube with dragon breath and the other with the flash bang rounds and have fun at night
who needs fireworks when you've got twin-tube shotguns?!
I feel like that would start the gun aflame.
Hornady PartyHard loads, right?
4th of July, Merican style!!!
@@bubba9384 bubba, I'm pretty sure merican style 4th of July is the only 4th of July style there is.....
* production gun too fragile to shoot
* fires prototype instead
On a more serious note, I wonder why we haven't seen more bullpup shotguns. The biggest downside to the bullpup configuration is swapping magazines, but the vast majority of shotguns are still tube-fed anyway.
I would guess that bullpup shotguns originated with a requirement from people riding around in armoured vehicles. With the end of apartheid I guess less need?
Your comment got me thinking about a Styer AUG chambered for .410 slugs. She'd be a nasty little devil.
what about having it in car next to you for police? not bad idea either.
There's several reasons: the first is that a bullpup isn't really necessary for most people who want shotguns; the primary sales of shotguns outside of the US is for sporting use and so NEEDING a shorter gun isn't really necessary; useful in some circumstances, but worth developing whole new guns? In addition, many countries have barrel and overall length restrictions on their shotguns, so this can work against it in many cases by limiting the market which is one of the reasons why Kel-Tec made their very long version of the KSG.
Military units also typically do not use shotguns in an offensive capacity and so a shortened pump action shotgun can fill the utilitarian role (though some units have used bullpup shotguns, they tend to be specialists). In addition there's cost; a bullpup shotgun tends to cost more than a regular one, and if you have to buy, say, three hundred shotguns for a police department, would you rather grab off the rack Mossberg 590s or go for three hundred bullpup shotguns?
On that note, training is another issue, though one that can be managed. However most people buying shotguns for military or police purposes are replacing old inventory and so the benefits would have to outweight the problems of retraining with a brand new manual of arms. There's also the mechanical concern; bullpup shotguns tend to be a bit more complicated than normal ones, and when one of the strengths of a shotgun is mechanical reliability, this again works against it. You can argue that the extra magazine capacity is worth it, but a Mossberg 590 with a 20 inch barrel is already quite compact and has a decent magazine for practically any domestic situation encountered by most law enforcement across the world; and where extra firepower is needed, police typically carry short barreled rifles and carbines.
There are more and more of them out there than before, however; I think several Turkish companies are producing bullpup shotguns based off several actions for instance, plus you have the KSG and the K12 Chinese Bullpup shotgun has had some success in Canada.
There was actually a Steyr bullpup shotgun, it was proposed for the Advanced Combat Rifle thing years ago and it would be an open bolt 3-burst shotgun with propietary flechette ammo
Ian, you rock brother! Love getting to see all these amazing rarities. For this American, seeing these SA guns are especially cool.
Bad company 2 is the only reason I recognize some of these. That game had all the cool guns you never heard of.
That's a piece of engineering art man.
Everyone: bad company 2
Me: M I R R O R ‘ S E D G E
I remember thinking about how the shotgun in ME was pretty weird looking for a KSG, but now I understand completely
Didn't even occur to me that the KSG was first released several years after ME, lmao
I appreciate the amount of detail you went through when dissecting this interesting shotgun. Very interesting and informative as always. Thanks for another well made video.
Thank you for sharing pros and cons of all weaponry you review without trying to conceal any flaws it naturally has!
this was a beast on Bad Company 2 especially with slugs
This thing with magnum ammo perk at Port Valdez. Shoothing them down out of the sky as they dropped with their chute? Man.... those were good times.
Sniping Sniper with a Shotgun across the map :D good old times...
Yes
Seven-Six Two ikr 😂 i love this game
Jeff I did just the opposite, I shot them with this from my chute on the way down haha
I've been waiting for this for years
Amy Pond Just get a Kel Tec KSG. Less complex, does the same thing, can be sent back to the factory if you have issues. I have over a thousand rounds through mine with no problems except a short stroke that was my fault like crawling. Don’t forget to keep your right arm up, so you don’t throw a hot piece of ejecting brass into it.
That may be the coolest shotgun I've ever seen. Extremely well thought out and unique design
"Operate this thing briskly and with purpose." Sounds like good advice for a lot of things!
... and don't short stroke it. 😅😅
Amazing Shotgun, especially in BC2
You just gotta love it
Thank you Ian, Very Cool!
Now that is superb design and attention to detail.
I waited patiently for years to get one of these. I had heard about them in 89'-90' I believe. Later on I it was mentioned in Machine Gun News that Ithica may be manufacturing them in the USA...Sadly, that never happened and it wasn't until Keltec made their KSG that the twin tube bullpup shotgun was a reality here in the US. I then waited years again to get one, as availability and price stopped me from purchasing one. Bullup shotguns are everywhere today, and at some ridiculously low prices. Would still love to have the Neostead though, what a cool collector piece.
Bad company 2 flashbacks
Edwards Release the MCMANUS NOSTALGIA
*slug hits you from across the map*
I've been watching your channel for some time now... this is the most interesting firearm I've ever seen! Thank you for sharing.
Why is that btw...
francois williams Because just about everything is backwards from convention. Magazine tilts to accommodate shells instead of the other way around. Magazines are on top. Pump forward. It’s just odd, which makes it interesting to me.
@@RobsRacingMotoVLOG Oh ok, I am a born South African, maybe I am used to stuff like that lols...I am nowadays here in philippiens as u can see on my stream, how about yourself? I study some local martial arts here too...
One of the most unique/complicated designs I’ve seen, Thanx!
Have been super excited for this one for years!
**Bad Company intensifies**
Such a cool gun. Ever since I saw it in Bad company 2 I wanted one. It was also in Shadow ops red Mercury which I think it the first fps to have it.
Unique design. Good luck putting all that together! Lovely old Swartklip ammo! I still have some!
This has to be the most interesting firearm I have ever seen from a mechanical and manufacturing standpoint..
I was really looking forward to seeing the mechanical function of the trigger. I like the complexity of design. This is everything you don't want in an actual go to war gun.
thanks gun jesus
Have one of these guys, man its fun shooting this thing... works every time. Tanks for all this info man, you are a great mentor
This was my favorite gun in Bad Company 2. Always wanted to see you do a video on this rare gun. Awesome as always ian!
Being able to switch between two ammo types is great! The gun is a little complicated, but not much more than it needed to be... I want one!
Tube 1: Rubber bullets for peaceful hippies.
Tube 2: buckshot for less peaceful hippies.
Strange how it pumps forwards. I remember this from Bad Company 2.
xXxKAMIKAZExXx it is the best shotgunin the game
In this case, thank god it pumps forward. I prefer having my little fingers not shot off :)
This has always been one of my favorite shotguns since they came out....never really got get my hands one but now i know a bit more about thw actual mechanics of it
This is really a cool piece of work 😮
South Africa designs fine weaponry like this and we have Kel-Tec.
ZA yebo!!
nicely done on the swartklip ammo, its the small things
I dont understand
@@codyjackalope8464 using a South African gun, with era appropriate South African ammo (swartklip no longer made)
This is the coolest shotgun I've ever seen. That thing is amazing.
This is such an interesting piece.. the mechanic are so cool! Thanks for always doing your best to show us these fascinating works of engineering!
You answered so many of my questions as i thought of them! And thank you for comparing this to the keltec because they look & eject shells so similarly i thought it was just the original version of it. 😅 unless i missed it i think you forgot to go into more depth explaining how the seer worked which you teased that you were going to do “later...” finally if this (rather complex) gun is too complex to make we’re never going to get plasma rifles are we? 😒😢😭
Imagine if this designer had teamed up with George Kellgren of Kel-Tec
Please! Someone needs to produce this gun on the American commercial market. This is the best design of dual-tube, bullpup shotgun I’ve ever seen.
Bullpup, pump action and break open, Tony really nailed the shotgun bingo
aww, you never filled the tubes all the way and then hit the empty button. I wanted to see the shells go flying.
It's Bad Company 2sday, except it's Friday. Works for me. Thanks Ian!
Ayyy
What a design! That’s really cool.
I'm loving this shotgun, man!
it looks very futuristic like i could see it used by space rebels in a sci fi movie
part of why the p-90 is popular because it was used in sci fi movies
That and the KRISS Vector.
And Calico.
and just because it looks cool in general. A lot of PDWs do
When I was a air cadet in the 80,s we were shooting the Lee Enfield and were given a box of ammo finish off we shoot till our shoulders were numb best day ever
Ah yes, the words "we are not going to bring back any ammo." =)
Thanks Ian! That was fantastic. My fav shotgun. Back to sleep. Cheers
The shotgun to fall in love with!
Been waiting for this or the UTS 15
UTS-15 is still being sold where I am. They're almost sold out the next month they come in
UTS 15s aren't forgotten weapons. They were invented just a few years ago and are still being manufactured
South Africa has come out with some of the most innovative arms in the modern age. Has nobody told them the Arms industry is tough right now?
There's always a 3rd world country looking for weapons. If it's cheap they'll buy besides they've been making firearms for years. Not sure how your comment makes any sense???
I love how you felt it was important to clarify not just that it's a bad thing to shoot of your own fingers, but also that it's a good thing not to!
I never thought I would see an innovative shotgun design. Very cool
Please the review GM-94. A pump action 40ml GL. This weapon uses the same type of mechanism to load the shells where the barrel goes overtop the round with the same forward pump motion.
Or RMB-93, shotgun with the same to GM94 mechanism
Gm-94 is cool
“Forgotten Gun”
All true battlefield fans will remember this legend
Nice to see a surge of activity from the Forgotten Weapons channel lately, Ian.
Keep it coming.
Same pace as always, one video each day.
you are very pleasant to watch and explain weapons really well,keep up the good work
Seems like the forward pumping action would keep you from blowing your hand off like some folks are doing with KSGs.
EDIT: watched the whole vid, and you mention this. Lol.
Loved this gun in Bad Company 2!
Get Ya' Sum! Same! 😁
This video was super interesting. What a cool pump!!
the guy that made this knows his stuff.nice one really.and it seems it's a very light shootgun too.sweet piece.