Crossfire MkI: A Creature from the AWB Lagoon
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The Crossfire MkI is a combination gun - both a rifle and shotgun with the two barrels sharing a single pump action mechanism. The shotgun is a 12ga bore, with a 4-round tubular magazine located on top of the buttstock. The rifle is a 5.56mm NATO barrel feeding from a bottom-mounted AR-15 pattern magazine. The initial design was debuted at SHOT Show in 1988, as a semiauto .308/12ga combination gun with a more conventional appearance, but it wasn't until about 10 years later that the first guns actually hit the market, and they were 5.56mm and pump action only.
The Crossfire was, I believe, intended for folks who expected the combination of a rifle and shotgun to produce a universally handy weapon, suitable for any circumstance. The pump action simplified the design significantly, and also allowed the designers to use standard AR type magazines during the era of the US Assault Weapons Ban (1994-2004). In reality, however, the Crossfire is exceedingly awkward and requires a non-trivial amount of practice to run reliably (that pump handle is very far forward...). The gun had an initial MSRP of just under $2000; an insane price tag that helped solidify its position as a dismal commercial failure.
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you know a gun sucks when a shooter leaves rounds in the mag and says "im done"
LOL! Underrated comment.
Yeah
I would like to say the AR barrel is exposed and rests on top of the shooters wrist. And is also taking a beating from the pump action. If/when that barrel explodes your going to loose a hand, or at the very least a lot of blood.
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I got this pump action assault rifle to use when my bolt action chain revolver jams
lmao a bolt action revolver sounds like the most complicated gun ever
@@FreeAimDog It'd be a helluva lot simpler than the insane clockwork in the G11.
Good thing but you gotta bring your drum mag musket too
Don’t forget your full auto bow and arrow
@@armintor2826 drum mag musket...that actually sounds kinda cool
I love when Ian shows stuff that sucks. There should be a "Sub-optimal Firearms" playlist.
"Wish they could be Forgotten Weapons."
"Forgotten for a reason Weapons"
Thankfully forgotten weapons
I know I'm late to the party, but What Weapons
@@edgydoggo8647 I think you mean "Whaaaaattt?"- Wepons.
All you need to do is carry one of those Zip .22s along with that Crossfire, and you're all set!
Kirk Mooneyham haha, I said the same thing! 😂
Mount the Zip to the forearm. Ultimate Zip Operator. No bayonet lug though, so the gun's clearly not worthy of a Zip Op.
dont forget your cobray terminator
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You can mount the zip gun on the picitanny under the slide. You should probably keep a cobray terminator as a backup.
Imagine making a gun with a buttstock magazine that functions a billion times worse than the spencer carbine.
Now imagine you make that in the late 1990s
I mean, the Spencer worked, though.
@@ianfinrir8724 Hence, "worse than the spencer carbine"
This would actually be neat and potentially useful if it were actually semi-auto and manufactured..... better.
It's a cool concept. I would surely buy one if it worked as intended.
The AR-15
Closed, intricate “swap” mechanism buried it, for me, even as a novelty type gun. Add in the fact that its built around one of the more insidious and dumb laws... meh.
It would find customers in the police market I think. Maybe separate triggers and just change the ar bit to semi auto to save on weight
Oh my God why are you here?!?
They should call this the peanut butter shotgun. Because it really likes the jam.
Ayyyyyyy
Best pun I’ve seen in the last year
Stadium ARTs Dork. Lol
Pun-O-Meter reading:
🕡
75 Takeis.
i thought peanut butter because it was sticky, but i guess that works too
I think this would be best forgotten
Actually, I think the concept pretty interesting if it were better refined. Especially if the rifle and shotgun part were better accessible by making the rifle part semi-auto instead of this rubbish.
Mirdarion I agree. They tried to work around its design with some interesting solutions. Yet, its such a painful gun to see in action with all its shortcomings.
Calum Spencer no, never forget someone else's failure. if we forget, we'll try to remake this...
not a gun expert on any level but id agree,could of made atleast the pump cycle length shorter or easier and changing between fire modes easier atleast.
Gryffin DarkBreed the concept is odd. during the AWB someone could have just bought a better functioning pump shotgun and a bolt action .223. nowadays It'd say Mossberg 500/Rem 870 and Mossberg Patrol .223 for an AWB. unless there is a good reason to have 2 firearms in one integrated unit like this.
I can't believe you rested that widow maker on your foot. That's probably the only guaranteed time it's likely to cycle and fire properly.
There was nothing in the gun at that point.
@CRAZY PATH
that's what the weapon wants you to think
@@crazypath573 thats what hop along Joe said too.
@@crazypath573 "There was nothing in the gun at that point." Said by ANYONE that accidentally discharged into his own body or a nearby friend's.
"Assault rifles are banned"
"This is a shotgun though"
"Oh, sorry. Please go ahead."
And fuck you, California, with your large capacity magazine ban!
you know if the gun wasn’t pump action reloading i could see it working out.
or give the rifle section of the gun it’s own mechanism
@@draconisthewyvern3664 Hell, even if it was just bolt-action, it'd still be a massive improvement
ATF: That? Were not concerned about that. Go right ahead.
Okay this thing looks like someone took an AR-15, a G3, and a mossberge 500, put it in a blender and hit "Mix" but forgot to put the top on.
Like a someone took a G3, a Maverick and an AR magazine
AND PEED ON IT.
This gun should be called Bob Marley, because it always be jammin’.
That's a whole lot of movement to cycle a .223 round lol
Ridiculous....😂
I was an original orderer for the 12ga/308 version after year and years of delay I received information that they weren’t coming out with the 308 version but a 223. So I went ahead and purchased and waited another year to receive my rifle. Well to my surprise that it did show up and it was pump action. Every issue you had operating that weapon was exactly the same
I had with my weapon, including the Jams while not in battery. I thought it was operator error and it was put away for like 5 years. I finally just got rid of it. Terrible gun, terrible system, and this video just brings it all back.
I'm so sorry, bro... sucks you had to go through that kinda trauma.
Are you ok?
*looking at thumbnail
How tf does that work?
*Sees first 10 seconds
Oh it doesn’t...
Forsaken weapons?
Best left forgotten weapons.
That should be a playlist
Forbidden weapons
Want to press like on this but the code prevents me
M55 Reising is next then
No more making fun of Keltec after seeing that gun.
Doktor Jeep or Cobray
Doktor Jeep Just because this is more shit doesn't make Kel-Tec less shit.
Are we still hating on high point though?
Pfitz at least a high point works
Ok but keltecs are affordable and quality firearms.
retool that thing a bit and it would make for a great star wars blaster prop
It has a very much sci-fi look and would probably also make a good gun for a halo game
A big yes to both of these comments
That's about the most useful thing you can do with it.
3:24 to be fair a folding stock would be hard to implement without a folding shotgun magazine.
Perfect for whenever your Cobray Lady’s Home Companion fails you
I would love a gun like this....
That actually works.
A Typical TH-camr m16/ar15 with a masterkey underbarrel. problem solved
tristan myers Masterkeys are nfa items, though. Imho it isn't worth the paperwork.
What about something like the Turkish mag fed pumper TFB once covered?
"Eww. Basically just eww."
Ian, you owe me a new computer monitor.
LMAO.
Ian,
This could be the start or a whole new video series. "Forgettable Weapons." Those guns that have been forgotten for a very, very good reason.
Jagannath Barman
Good job ruining the joke.
I was thinking "That thing looks cool! Wonder why I haven't ever seen it before..." Then the next 20 seconds cleared that up... lol.
As a hobby gunsmith, this damn gun keeps me up at night. I've had "visions" of a sporting rifle that has a bolt action rifle barrel on top and a pump action shotgun on the bottom.
NO.
I think if they'd managed to make the original .308/12GA Semi-Auto Over-Under function properly, it'd be a nice - if heavy - combination gun for range funs.
They had that in the movie badland road to fury
You know, the way that thing looks really reminds me of a cheap airsoft gun.
conner stines It might actually look pretty cool as an airsoft replica.
@@Brawler_1337 Just imagine someone recreating this.
There IS a fucking Airsoft replica of this thing check reventaian's video !! 😂
The 80s, a weird time for gun design.
Maxim Gun this monstrosity came from the mid to late 90s actually. Assault weapons ban was on the books from 94 to 04.
Maxim Gun cocaine is a hell of a drug
Clear Sky profile pic! Sweet.
@@pfitz9346 I know I'm late, but Ian said the original design was from the late 80s, the fairly cool concept of the semi auto .308 one.
@@stevenbobbybills yeah I see your point. The issue is a lot of the mods made to this gun to make it AWB compatible are why it sucks lol.
I think the concept is sound but the execution is terrible. Now that the Assault Weapon Ban is long over someone should remake the original, semi auto concept rifle.
I recommend the following combo's:
12 Gauge/7.62 NATO
20 Gauge/5.56 NATO
410/22 LR
Having both the shotgun and rifle portions in semi-auto integrated into one package would be a big seller.
I agree
Why 20ga with the 556 lol?
Equivalent-ish power/recoil maybe?
i'm with you.
Put me down for a half a dozen of those 12 gauge .308 models.
Am i the only one that thinks the rifle belongs on TOP?
Also, in this day and age, there is no reason the shotgun couldn't also be fed by detachable box magazines.
It would make reloading under fire much quicker.
@Eric Nunya I imagine it's done that way because you're having to feed two separate mags. If you put the AR barrel on top it would need a side loaded magazine, or you'd have to have the shotgun barrel way out forward so it doesn't get in the way of the AR magazine feed.
“Weird exigent legal circumstance”
Welcome to Connecticut.
Very sad, considering your home state's rich firearms manufacturing history.
You might be wondering how the designers got this gun to function properly, and that’s where the true innovation shines through. They didn’t
looks like something from the 80s that has annihilator and 5000 in its name and should be carried by a blonde skinny bikini girl with big crazy hair
With a stars-and-stripes pattern bikini top, jeans ripped off above the knee and red rubber boots.
Just needs a CD player, miniature microwave oven and a grenade launcher. And the guy selling it needs to be Bronson Pinchot.
Where were you when they were developing the marketing campaign?
Is this a Beverly hills cop reference or RoboCop?
Lmao too funny
It's like Apple made a gun. Over priced, under-featured, does less than the competition and you cannot perform your own maintenence.
Except it's not good looking, and the build quality is worse than the cheapest chinese knockoffs.
That is the best thing I have read all day
It reminds me of the Onion's coverage of Sony's 'Stupid Piece of Shit That Doesn't Work'.
Yes,except that if apple had made it it would have probably looked like the gun Tom Cruise has in the movie Oblivion,which does look fairly cool in an ipod sort of way,this thing however looks as bad as it actually is.A perfect example of form following function.
That's what i thought!
Like Apple made the Edsel of firearms.
"If Nerf guns were real guns, Part 1."
Sketchy nerf guns are way more reliable than this
@@counterfit5 with better ergonomics.
@@counterfit5 a Santa just denied a kid nerf gun. It's circulating on the web.
@@Joshua_N-A yeah and the nra used it as pr instead of actually helping in gun rights lawsuits
And it fucking jams
I remember as a kid seeing an ad for this in a hunting magazine about 18 years ago and thinking it was the most badass looking weapon ever and I never knew why I couldn't find anything on it over the years. I no longer wonder lol
Same. I was a young, dumb kid, with a bunch of money burning a hole in my pocket. Couldn't find one anywhere. In retrospect, it was for the best.
In rewatching this video, it reminds me visually of a modernized BAR, when the pump action is locked to the rear.
I've seen a few awkward looking guns, but every time Ian pumped that thing I flinched, almost expecting it to just blow up, or for him to lose his grip and fire into his foot.
Because some weapons ought to be forgotten.
Hubris of the past can hopefully serve as lessons for the future
They don't want you to you clean or disassemble the gun. because its made with Chinese packaging peanuts.
What if I told you that I saw this rifle rolling around my local police department back in the early 2000s? And I live in a tiny countryside city... in midwestern Brazil.
How the hell did such a weapon end up down here? I'm not sure, but probably whoever sold this gun in South America must have made a deal with a politician... and politicians here don't know shit about how guns work, so even though it's an overpriced hunk of metal, he was probably told he was actually saving money on it because it was a two-for-one, a fucking space-age wonder weapon or whatever.
All I can say is that I have never seen any cops patrolling the streets with these guns around here, now I know why.
"And I live in a tiny countryside city..."
OK...
"...in midwestern Brazil"
What the actual FUCK?
Edit : to clarify I'm surprised you found it in such an improbable place!
Everytime that p.o.s failed to cycle I said to myself: "Hes dead!" In an self defense situation.
Wow, that IS strange. Sometimes you have to say, "If this gun could talk..."
".....but it's all pump action..." That part really got me :P
Wait a minute, something's wrong here...
... Since when did Ian fire right-handed?!
I sometimes shoot right handed on video to accommodate lighting conditions.
Yeah I figured it was for a significant reason like that, but thank you for the reply! Not many other channels do that, so it's neat when it happens.
i'm pretty sure someone like ian can manage to shoot with his offhand without much problems
I practice with both hands just in case
Same here. Oh, wait, we're talking about shooting, aren't we.
Shot first shell
Failed to shot second shell
Fired second shot
Put the weapon at the ground
Remove the spent shotgun casing
"Hey guys.."
hahaha
Yeah, we all saw that.
nope he's Captain Obvious, here to rescue us from the conspicuous lol
And we're off with a good start...
"Perfect, the gun is demonstrating itself flawlessly."
It's the Tesla of guns. "Don't touch this. Only we can fix it. Eventually "
Michael Apple’s repair policy applies - no-one but us can fix it and we won’t if it is more than two years old.
"which is an insanely high price for this… thing"
I just love snark, and Ian delivers.
The 7615 is a pretty decent pump action magazine fed .223 rifle that works and it's pretty common here in Australia.
The way American media portrays it Australians aren't allowed to have anything other than a boomerang and a pointy stick.
I feel so sad for you folks that have to deal with a pump action 556 as one of the few guns you can legally own
hay we give you boonie hats and big knives as well... hell if you ever get invaded the animals and weather will kill all your enemy's...
@@trailblazer632I am from the future and WA state has the same problem now 😢
Now that what I call a tacticools dream, it's got polymer (or a cheap plastic that we will call polymer) , it's got 5.56, it's got AR mags and a detachable shotgun mag to boot! And the price must means it's quality right? Who cares if it's impractical and jams.... its tacticool!
Mall Ninja types would line up for this at twice the price.
They wound be great if made as originally designed. Before the AWB. Then you could have a hell of a weapon.
"You're probably wrong." that line had me dying, that was hilarious
when you ask your kid to draw a gun then send the drawing to weapon designer in the factory.
Better off with an AR and underbarrel "master key" 12ga
Way better.
I just realized they call it a master key because it opens all doors.
But if fired too close to soneone may do some damage
@Ese Travieso Obviously he didn't literally mean ALL DOORS, because FYI the doors on a nuclear bunker aren't opening up no matter what you shoot it with. Also the vast majority of doors you'd ever conceivably need to go through are NOT made of metal. Basically, you're being an obtuse asshole for no reason. Knock it off.
@Ese Travieso you shoot the weakpoint: lock or hinge. There are specialized breeching rounds for exactly this purpose
"there we go, 4 rounds full capacity" 😂😂
"An amalgamation of a whole bunch of bad ideas, all at the same time." Yep that about sums my life up.
8:54 "Eew, basically just eww"
I think that pretty much sums it up for this weapon
That thing deserves a whole 80's action movie of its own.
I remember when these was all the rage in the gun magazines back in the day. Was touted as being the perfect law enforcement long gun. I also remember them getting mostly rave reviews 🤣
well i think it would be if it would work good and would be a better design
Yeah a combo of semiauto rifle and shotgun wouldn't be bad especially if switching between the two was not as complicated
The concept is a great idea it’s just it was executed terribly
If this gun actually worked worth a damn. It would be awesome.
For this gun or the vaporware they promised?
I believe this should be titled, "best forgotten weapons"
My favourite line in this: instead of explaining the receiver part "ewww... just ewwww" x'D
I first thought this was some sort of AK style rifle. I mean cosmetically it looks pretty nice. Then I started watching the video, and I have to say I would rather use a Nambu Type 94 or 14 than this piece of crap.
He has a video where he covers the Type 94 Nambu and it's actually not as bad as you think
I think I'd rather use an eoka than this
I would rather use a Lee Enfield shotgun...
Thanks Ian for the video. I almost purchased one today for a lot more than $300. Glad I deferred and watched your video before reconsidering.
Found one at my local gun shop today. I wanted to buy it, but they were asking $1K+. Watching how bad a time Ian had just made me want it more. This thing is ridiculous, and I love it.
Jams more than Lone Star saving a Druid princess.
(gives you the raspberry)
"Oooh, that's pretty"
*jams*
":("
Okay, the idea in itself is interesting (at least in the original semi-auto configuration). But who takes a crack at designing such a rifle, then looks at *this* as the final product and thinks to themselves "Yup, definitely ready for prime time." I'd happily take a double barrel break-action and a bolt-action rifle instead. Would probably shoot faster, too.
"I'm done! That's it! Thanks for watching, guys." Best sign off for a frustrating shooting demo!
Fun fact - the prototype ( 2:09 ) was show back in '90 in The Punisher comic book series (I do believe it was Punisher War Journal 23 or 24? )
Frank Castle described it as an assault rifle that can fire two barrels at the same time. Probably a nod to The Red Scorpion ;)
I'm not saying I'd have the best time with it but.... 3gun?
Nope.
it would be just for kicks dude
How stupid do you have to be to ask if someone has a fucking congenital developmental disorder, using fifty-year-obsolete terminology, because they said something people might find silly if it came out of your own mouth?
Yep.
Duane Young 2.5 gun... would be interesting to see someone use this in a comp, not that they'd be effective.
This is what happens when the good idea fairy runs a company.
Good idea , crappy engineering.
@Abrasax Palante it's mostly AWB laws. Original design was better.
Hunt predators for over 50yrs , get some experience and you'll understand why it is a good idea . Just crappy engineering.
My solution was to buy a Drilling 12x12x30-06 .
I had seriously considered buying this as my first firearm. I turned 18 during the Assault weapons ban but instead i bought a Mosin Nagant M44. Probably a waaaay better choice for my first gun. lol.
Saw one of these at a gun store years ago. Sat there forever.
I really really really want you to take it apart. This is like when a movie ends on a cliffhanger and doesn’t get a sequel
Some weapons are best left forgotten :)
somehow I knew this was a garbage gun before I even saw Ian shoot it
You can tell just by looking at it.
yeah
Slick as an asphalt road in a rural county.
“Gonna do the stupid thing here and rest it on my foot”
My genuine reaction: Dammit Ian!
Love your videos!!!
This gun would be great as a movie prop. Maybe as a gun in a video game too
Would make for a cool FPS weapon though.
I think I've seen it in a JA-alike. Or, more likely, one of its mods. Pretty fun gun, but shotguns in general were hilariously powerful in that game. Probably because jamming 70% of the time wasn't a feature.
(Also, not an FPS, so might not count; "7.62 High Calibre")
Shotgun attachments for rifles do exist for real, and there's a few games that feature them if I recall
Starship Troopers. Although that weapon was shit for other reasons than the Crossfire...
The word you're looking for is Masterkey attachment
Rainbow 6 something quite similar
I thought we learned that recoil-activated anything was a bad idea in the early 1900's.
Luckily for Forgotten Weapons [maybe not so much Ian, though...], the designers of this appear not to have gotten the memo.
I actually thought it was unlocking _unintentionally_ at the beginning of the video....
Almost all over under shotguns have firing pins that are cocked by recoil only
This is what happens when you have a great idea 63 years after John Browning dies..
I feel a connection to this gun. First of all, I've always loved the idea of combination gins, even if they're at best highly situational and at worst complete crap, and in cases like this, both. Second, as an aesthetic experience, this gun combines the kinetics of a pump action shotgun, the coolest kind of shotgun kinetically speaking, and a proper infantry rifle.
Aesthetically, you know what this is? It's the M41A Pulse Rifle from Aliens, a few hardware generations back.
The other reason I feel a connection to this gun is I too am too large, too useless, and I also was announced in 1989 but didn't come out until 1999.
At about 7:30 is that a VW Thing I see hiding back there?
Yes, this one: th-cam.com/video/C37OAHao9AA/w-d-xo.html
another sort of neat idea but horribly executed
"sort of" are the keywords here XD
Lucian Leesonja Well, I really like my savage model 24, and that's a fantastic combination gun
or just put a master key underbarrel on an AR...
Costa as a verb. I'm going to use that.
As a generic small game gun, I would like a .22lr over .410, or even better, 20ga , but for that purpose break action would be fine and even preferable to semi auto (compact, light, simple). I can even see a pump AR (the Troy comes to mind) for places where semi-auto is a legal no-go, but I'm not sure what they were thinking here.
Thanks
Im amazed that this even went into production. No wonder that i never heared of it yet.
I actually would really like to have one just due to how interesting it is.
There's one for sale at a gun shop near me right now. $2495 :)
the first 30 seconds was horrifying, glad i have a mossberg pump
Okay, that’s great and all, but if I’m being perfectly honest, I’d say this thing’s biggest flaw is that the top barrel isn’t chambered for 40mm grenades with the lower barrel being chambered in .50 BMG.
If you’re going to have a conceptually awesome gun that fails horrifically in the execution, you might as well put as much oomph as possible into the “conceptually awesome” part.
I remember seeing the original advertised Crossfire and thinking it was the coolest gun EVER, this iteration that made it to marked look decidedly uncool and ungainly and it also doesn't function. Just great!
The way ian says "for this thing" is hilarious
"Not trying to Costa this" is my favorite line from all your videos.
I suspect that a folding stock would be tricky with the shotgun mag is in the butt stock... :(
I feel the core idea was/is a good idea. Having a AR 15/M16 with an internal 12 gauge shotgun provides a lot of flexibility with all the specialty military 12 gauge shells available(door buster, buckshot, slug, grenade, flare, incendiary, tazer, etc), and unlike master key like systems, aiming and firing is more natural.
However, the execution was just awful, and most likely tied to the assault weapon ban. Essentially, they likely started with a complicated/innovative semi auto (or even full auto) design, but after the ban, macgyvered a legal pump act version. So they took an already tricky design, and made it a cluster f*****.
Well, the idea of a combination rifle/shotgun for hunting has been around and popular since the Victorian era, but they're always very simple break action single shot weapons.
What did this thing in is that having any sort of repeating action makes any gun more complex, trying to cram two actions into one gun is just flying too close the the sun.
I seriously doubt anyone was trying to market this to anyone other then civilians, it's just not a concept that any military or law enforcement agency would be interested in. It's a civilian hunter's tool, for use in areas with mixed game.
Something like this could have worked as a good all in one gun,if only it'd been a bit more practically designed
Anthony Williams the design may have been fine. The production was fucked by the assault weapon ban as stated in the video
Seems like I remember an over/under gun for turkey hunting in PA. But it was a break open single shot. It was 12 gauge over .223
Best FW intro ever. I also literally laughed out loud when you said that they're both pump action. That's nuts
the gun from my dreams realized in real life!
in all of its realistically impractical form
The best part was when he goes “whats wrong with this?..............shit”
What this needs is some sort of Blakeslee Cartridge Box...
Or a dumpster.
A dumpster sounds a bit wasteful if you ask me. Would be better to just sell for scrap and have its bits recycled.
It nicely fills a nonexistent gap in the market.
I really appreciate Ian showing us things that weren't a good idea or popular or well known.
Crossfire? More like, doesn’tfire