SC Robinson Confederate Sharps Carbine
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- During the Civil War, the Confederacy was perpetually in serious need of armaments, as the South did not have the amount of industrial infrastructure that the North did. This led to many attempts at arms production by various entrepreneurs, of quite varied result. One of the more successful enterprises was the Robinson Arms Manufactory, founded in Richmond VA in December of 1862. Samuel Robinson was a transplanted Connecticut industrialist who proved himself capable and reliable for the CSA government with a series of contracts to convert flintlock muskets to percussion ignition. Probably because of this, it was he that the CSA’s Colonel Burton turned to to set up production of a copy of the Sharps carbine for Confederate cavalry use.
Robinson produced about 1900 of these carbines between December 1862 and March of 1863. His work was impressive enough that in March of 1863 the Confederate government decided to buy out his operation and make it into a government run arsenal. They continued to make Sharps carbines there until the end of the war, producing an additional 3500 or so. These later Confederate production guns have serial numbers between about 1900 and about 5500, along with unmarked lock plates - Robinson’s guns have his company name and the date 1862 marked on the lock plates, along with serial numbers up to about 1900.
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"When the guns weren't exploding, they were great guns"
Shit BMW owners say
TF2 Sniper voice: explosions in guns? Yeah they tend to do that
Carbines like that are fascinating. In general the US civil war is interesting from a military history perspective since it kind of came in when warfare tactics and weapons started to move towards more modern paradigms.
As a writer of westerns, I appreciate getting a good look at this design of gun. Not all rifles in the Old West were Winchesters.
Sharps, the gun that made the west safe enough for Winchester’s....
What? I thought everyone knew Winchester and colt peace makers were the only guns since the alamo.
Exactly, I mean, you come across Examples of these Civil War surplus rifles that were retrofitted for use by the Buffalo hunters, and you also have veterans of the war that moved out West and they brought their service weapons withbthen.
$75k 1860 ~ $2.1m today
Damian Grouse Rick Harris would still only give $100 for it.
Gotta call a buddy first. He's an expert on this sort of thing so he'd be able to tell us what it's worth.
Fernando my comment was aimed at the money the “Industrialist” made. In two years not the value of the rifle.
Mikhail Borochin i was not referring to the price of the weapon
Damian Grouse And I was making a joke about a Rick Harris TV show because you mentioned an obscene amount of money in a video about antiques.
Enfield carbines, captured Union Sharps and CS copies of Sharps carbines all saw wide use among Confederate cavalry. The Sharps were highly prized for the simplicity of action and it's durability. Another great video.
Forgotten Weapons is the only channel I know off where I can click on the like button of a video even before watching it. Thanks Ian!
Colonel Burton is my favorite unit from Command and Conquer: Generals
I see you're a man of culture
You want the best? Here I am!
Cool, never seen a Sharps "taken down" before....nice
Only the EARLIEST Sharps carbines used the Maynard primer. By the time of the Civil War, Sharps carbines and rifles used the Sharps pellet primer, which used separate primer pellets in a magazine on the top right of the frame.
That's cool! The soldier that carried this was from my hometown of Mobile, AL.
IAN- I have a very old German schuetzen rifle, falling block 8.15mm, exquisitely engraved, gold inlay, how could I go about getting it to you to take a look at it?
Send the dude an email or something I want to see this video!
You could always take a video of it yourself. I imagine He can’t look at everything
Welp... appears we’ll never get to see such a beaut...
Amazing piece of history. Crazy what the value of these firearms can reach over time
Hello again Ian, by crikey you do know your guns, not many would know all the facts in the same expansive manner as yourself. I believe your name will, in years yet to pass, become a known and legendary name who knew most all about the guns manufactured across this World. Well done there young-feller-me-lad.
Nice. Confederate arms are always interesting, and so are Sharps products, so this is doubly or triply interesting. Very good call on the sight- i'm sure it was fine out to 200 yds or more. If they needed to shoot farther, like an opening longer shot, i'm sure a little Kentucky holdover would do it. Great video as always. Thank you
Whitworth being the best.
Now, that was one very nioce piece of gun history. Ta muchly, Ian.
A well manufactured confederate rifle with no major design or manufacture issues? Insane
Got to fire a Sharps once and it was awesome.
I have a C Sharps 1853/RS Lawrence Pat April 12,1859 drop block carbine rifle. That's about all I know. I have not had much luck with finding any information on this carbine.
9:00 look closely on the right side of Mobile you can make out where it says Alabama
I didn't even notice that, nice catch!
Awesome thanks
It seems strange to me that they didn't alleviate the handguard explosion issue by just drilling a big hole in the bottom of the handguard there for the powder to drain out.
By the time of the civil war sharps rifles were 10+ years old, they went to brass cartridges almost as soon as the war was over, so I could see how it just wasn't that important, it also didn't happen a ton. (It happens with both not just the CSA guns). They did teach soldiers to clean there as well
Trying to watch the video and the Thompsons in the background are just stealing my attention 🤣
SC Robinson - a family company
Thanks for another great history lesson
Right at the end of the civil war the paraguayan war started. Brazil bought a batch of "Robinson's breech loading rifles" but the appraising outfit at Rio de Janeiro gave a negative evaluation, and were never sent to the front lines. In a later phase of the war they bought Spencer repeating carbines, and were very happy with them, so the commander in chief, Count d'Eu, asked for a reappraisal of the robinsons, but the war was ending and nothing came from it. I was under the impression that those Robinsons were converted Springfield type rifles, but your video makes me think again. I still can't understand why Brazil would buy confederate produced rifles when better quality union weapons were widely available after the war ended.
So one possible answer to that could be the large presence of former Confederates that moved there after the war. I imagine they had some on hand from that migration, or simply had better connections with Robinson due to those sympathies.
Hi, Ian. Could you please do, or have you ever done, a video about the story of the standard NATO cartridge selection in the early 1950s. I am really interested in the reasons why the US thought the full power cartridge was better than the intermediate power cartridge. Everyone says it is because of some silly, bureaucratic reasons that the US forced the UK and other countries to adopt .308. But I don't think it was that simple. I do believe there must be something behind the story. Could you please share us what you know or you have found? Thank you very much.
Tor Bai i would like to know to. 👍
He has a video about the CETME58's development and how it went from being designed to use a round developed from the German intermediate 8mm cartridge but wound up being a not so great 7.62nato rifle. I agree it would be interesting to see something specifically about the transition from .30-06 to the slightly less powerful 7.62NATO.
molochi, I can't find the video you mentioned.
Gun Jesus, Thank You!
Very Cool Sharps Copy!....
Original Sharps M1959 were equipped with Lawrence pellet primer system, not Maynard tape primer.
From what he said it sounds like the 1852 model sharps had a Maynard primer, which was also used on the 55 Springfield
Perfect timing! LOL!
Just bought a Chiappa Copy 2 days ago! :-)
You said about the exploding hand guard I read a diary for a captain in the us sharpshooter I believe if not he was a Calvary officer and he ordered his men that when they had a misfire to open the action upside down to drop the powder on the ground as recognized they spilt powder danger
The union opted for linen cartridges.they a nitrates base that fit flush in the chamber and didn t require a knife edge in the block.
If all of those Thompson's on the wall are all transferable there is more money up there than i have in anything of value i own. As a matter of fact, probably one of them is worth more
Yeah. It seems this was about the time Ian was setting up his series on the Thompson ( one of which was a "dealer sample" ).
Are modern toy 'cap guns' based off that percussion tape? Sounds exactly the same!
More so the Maynard tape. Cap guns don't have percussion guns
Was the primer tape the evolutionary origin of the red paper cap spools we used to use with cap guns when we were kids in the 1960's?
Yes and when I think about it I can still smell it from my Roy Rogers double rig from 1968 .
You bet!
Trying to ride a horse, while fiddling with that thing, while getting shot at.. that would suck!
Trying to do anything while being shot at pretty much sucks.
Thats why cavalry fought dismounted
Usually they used their pistol from horse back and carbine dismounted.but they could use carbines from horse back as well
Beautiful rifle
I tried to look up the initials. The stock clearly has had LSK, Mobile AL, so it SHOULD had been easy to find what Confederate cavalry solider was in Mobile. Turns out the answer is none, haha. I guess it will just have to be a mystery for the time being.
Whaaaaa look at all those Thompsons
Yeah. Ian did a series of videos on those Thompson's ..
Hey Ian, sorry for posting this on an unrelated video; I did some research into the "North Hollywood Shootout" (1997) and noticed the weaponry the criminals used included two Norinco 56's. When I read that I remembered you mentioning that Norincos are no longer imported into the USA.
I was just wondering... Were they actually imported during / before '97, or do you expect they aquired them through someone in another country (eg; Canada)?
Norico guns were legal to import until 1993, even after that some Norico things were still legal to import (namely Norico shotguns) until 2003 when Norico got the full on ban.
While I don't know the exact source of the weapons used by the hollywood shooters, I'd presume they were legally imported Type 56's that they bought before the ban or that were still available for sale after importation was halted.
Thanks for the great reply!
Praise be Gun Jesus
Amen Brother Green!
Actually you arent supposed to sheer off the back of the cartridge. The paper was nitrated so ignition wouldnt be an issue. Cutting off the back of the cartridge however is because you have loose powder on the breach next to the cap ignition, and you get an inconsistency between shots because of the loss of powder.
What no coffee grinder? Well shit ☹️
Once believed there was no mechanical advace on gun during civil war. But after subscribed your channel, I realized my thought was terribly wrong. Now i know Gun revolution of early 20c had a strong reason! Thank you for your guidance!
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The Robinson is an instrument of uncanny power and precision....
I often ask this: how do they drill the flash hole if it has a bend in it?
I hope you can get your hands on a G11 someday
xXSendNoodlesXx Ian does a video on one
I can imagine that name Sharps alone was selling really good
It says Mobile Alabama.
Could you make a video on the IWI Galatz, I'd love to see it in the future, tks.
Yeah, that's all well and good, but do they have any Tommy Guns?
I wonder if you could improve the gas seal with a heavily greased felt washer.
Not sure why but thought the title said Spencer instead of Sharps.
Really Neat Piece Of History 😎🤕🇺🇸
The spencer carbine has a very similar aperance to this rifle.
like to see how they drill that primer hole
Thanks Ian, interesting info!
I thought that the original sharps carbines and rifles were designed to use the Lawrence primer system...
They were but the 1859 use a primer feed.however it was able to be fired with a musket cap if primers weren t available.the Robinson didn t have a primer feed because they didn t have machinery for that
Why not scrap everything else, and just make a shitload of these for the infantry too? Your rate of fire would atleast triple. Confederates of course didn't have the industrial capacity to do that, but the north could. I guess it's the "good enough" thinking, that kept the muzzle loading rifle in use. Same with the repeating rifles in WW1 and most of WW2. If we had freaking space marine bolter's today, AR would still be "good enough".
Juntasification Remember Murphy's Laws of Combat. Your weapons was built by the lowest bidder.
Haven’t watched the video yet but GREAT video as always Ian!!!
Neat
Isn't primer tape an 80s cap gun thing? Maybe
How does December 1862 to March 1863 equal 13 months
7:03 Can we call that the 'Robinson Sharps kaboom'?
Primer Tape aka a roll of caps! haha
Mobile, AL was what was etched on the stock Ian lol
No its mobile for mobile infantry
The original 1859 Sharp was a state of the art, it has auto primer feed, platinum O' ring and movable barrel sleeve for mitigating gas escape. This one was is just a fail copy.
Auto primer feed? Who had platinum anything in the 19th century?
You mean copper shims
Where is the "coffee grinder" in the butt stock?
Why .52 cal?
Lighter caliber easier on horse back I m guessing
I'd love to have one of these as a reproduction.
hehe, Government took ownership, and to everyone surprise, ended up not being as good as private. That's..... so hard to believe ;)
I'm a reb
Yuh
Venturing in what if history, would have the Dreyse been also too sophisticated for the industrial base of the CSA? After all that was a paper cartridge too (See Cap & Ball 10:49 th-cam.com/video/S5xH1YELizY/w-d-xo.html making a dreyse cartridge) and the rifle had been designed in the late 1830s.
The dreyse had a lot of gas leakage.plus you extra firing pins because the broke often
If you're bouncing around on horseback, you're not doing it right.
the South will Rise AGAIN !!! so im gonna need that rifle back...
Don’t make me spank you boy.
Not that simple, two kinds of paper cartridges. Pre war Sharps went slant breech. PERCUSSION CAPS! not primer. Horrible Sharps information
4th woop
Ugh, is there a way I can not have to see that terrible NRA ad at the start of the video?
Yeah close your eyes fuckstick
Advance the start point.you re a genius
@@robertallen6253 Damn Robert, I don't think calling me that was necessary. Hope the last two years have been good for you. Happy holidays.