i had that same asrock board, mine would do like a half power off like the system was still completely running but no display and no input what so ever, seems asrocks lower end entry boards tend to have quite a few issues
Honestly you couldn't have done anything differently. Sadly if you can't replicate the problem then you can't fix said problem. And to give the owner a new cooler was nice. Something you didn't have to do. I think it was the loose cables.
@@imnotallergic Go to all that trouble just to have Gregg find the loose plugs and give it back as delivered? Fewer logical jumps are required for it just to be a mistake- maybe they unplugged all those cables when they upgraded the GPU and they were never clipped (because you have to press really hard) and slowly worked loose.
That kind of issue tends to be misconnections. For me at least, so far. Somewhat even weird "building PC is like Legos" People proceed to put RBG connectors to fan ports or smth similiar.
I had this exact issue few weeks back when I move my 7900X build from an old PC case to a new one along with a new contact frame. I've check all the connections were correctly plugged but still couldn't boot until I reinstalled the CPU, cpu cooler and contact frame. I swear it was correctly installed the first time but for some reason it isn't?
@@hukesama8389One of the advantages of PGA sockets (like AM4) is that they don't require high even pressure. LGA on the other hand requires even pressure, otherwise some pins might not be making perfect contact resulting in anomalies. This can happen from both the contact frame not providing even pressure, and from the CPU cooler not being tightened evenly on all sides. That could very well have been it.
Totally agree that's what makes it entertaining. I've seen other videos on other channels where they start off as a repair attempt and end up building a whole new pc way more expensive than the original one. That's no fun.
And also, replacing his case is something he wouldn't want, necessarily, as he CHOSE that case. It's up to him to think what case he wants to replace it as and when.
@@ukeleleEric yes! True. Just because the channel partner of TH-cam (wanted to day owner, but with TH-cam you do not own your channel), his name is Greg right? That would have been easier. Just because he does work for free doesn't mean to stop listening to the customer. Super important because I absolutely love these shows!
This specific situation must be SO FRUSTRATING, but for a viewer like me who does her own troubleshooting and repairs, it helps. Our minds often jump to the worst case scenario, and sometimes it's something as simple as a loose cable. Personally, I find the episodes where it's just something small or simple that causes the issue to be the most beneficial because it reminds me to check and double-check before I start ripping things out. Definitely not a flop - keep up the good work! Oh, and I was at Micro Center recently and had the pleasure of working with Aaron from one of your videos - you're right, he's a really cool guy!
And sometimes we see a loose cable, correct it and call it good when that wasn't really the problem with the crashing. It is called 'confirmation bias'. Greg only fixed half the issue.
Once, i needed to disassemble my pc, when i reassembled i had put the reset switch on the power btn jumper, and i panicked as i pressed the power button and the pc didn't turn on, i brought the pc to a friend and he pointed out and connected the front io properly, fixed the issue and i immediately got relieved hahaha
I work in the Building Automation Sector (HVAC computerized control systems) in the NYC area. Finding loose connections burns my keester. Laziness. Wire in, tug and move on. Whether it is a terminal, spade, butt splice or connector. Well done Greg. Another great FoF video.
@@yotoprules9361like he overclocked or as the OP was saying it was the bios that had it configured to run higher voltage? Just asking because I have 3700x on an original build date bios of July 2020. No issues except a fan curve that randomly goes to jet speeds even if temps are fine. Whenever under full load. Like it goes from 60c 50%fans to 61c 100%fans. I’ve looked everywhere and don’t know if there’s some app in background I can’t find or something. No unusual programs running when I check hwinfo. Just an annoying inconvenience more than anything
@@four_20hitman___97 for Ryzen, set the fan ramp up/down time higher. This will fix the fans suddenly spinning up. Had the exact same issue myself. You can also try a custom fan curve in the bios
coming from an auto tech and pc enthusiast, not fully seats wires/plugs can cause said issues. sometimes it works fine, other times it will leave you scratching your head trying to figure out what the problem is. i hope everything is good on the owners end now and if there is an issue other than the pc itself, he has it straightened out. also thanks for another great video. i do enjoy watching them.
The power on and off could have been OCP kicking in. Which from memory they can reset and let you power back on after an interval of time. So may have been why it powered on for Greg. The loose cables in my eyes were probably the cause of original power issues but my guess is something triggered OCP which then was reset by the time Greg go it.
This is something I think needs an entire video made about. I have ran into this exact thing two times on 2 different PCs and had no idea until I read your comment.
@@KRASHPROJECTI saw this first in a JayzTwoCents video where they were upgrading Nick or Phil's pc and thought they killed a motherboard and even got a replacement. Turned out ocp had kicked in and then made it look like a dead board.
Glad you caught the power supply connectors, but 550w is a bit on the low side for that graphics card. If they are going to upgrade the case in future they should also upgrade the power supply, especially since it could be a loose piece of solder in it causing the short seen in the submitted video.
if I can run a 5950x and a rtx 3090 on a 600W psu, this Psu is plenty. And I know for a fact that psu is plenty. the max draw on that system is probably about 420 watts max.
people are being paranoid about PSUs these days. I have the same CPU and a 3070 Ti which draws quite a bit more power than the 3070, and the system doesn't go above 450W at the wall, that's before PSU losses, so the output power is probably just over 400W. But scaring people into thinking they need more powerful PSUs makes the manufacturers a lot of money, so they won't tell you how much you actually need.
It's a bit low on the capacity, and it's a total garbage brand. While this unit is C-tier, a majority of Gamdias' products are absolute cheap junk that I would avoid. Not quite on the level of Gamemax or Aresgame, but bad nonetheless.
@@Alvin853. It’s kind of weird as the paranoia ebbs and flows. One year techtubers are recommending 1000w, the next year they say 750w is overkill… for the same amount of power consumption. Personally, I think it’s a combination of quality of PSU and power draw.
@@marxman6896 Gamdias Kratos M1 is E tier unit lol, at least according to Cultist's latest tier list. IMHO owner better start looking for better replacement.
Another great fix or flop episode. I’m glad you still posted it. It could really help someone experiencing similar symptoms. It gives novices more things to consider that they may not think to check.
I always build/repair my own PCs. So much of what you do is nothing new to me. HOWEVER! I still enjoy watching them because there is a chance I may learn something new. Keep up the great work!😊
And for me it's so fun to see if I can solve it before Greg can. Or if my initial off-the-cuff diagnosis is correct. Which it rarely is because these puzzles can get quite complicated with multiple causes sometimes.
I appreciate your candid attitude even when not being able to pinpoint the shut down issue. Your theories that it could be a bad power cord or surge protector are plausible. Even more possible is that dangling 4 pin cpu plug that was never plugged in completely for the intermittent shutdowns. I agree that shoving everything into a micro case is not very nice for temps. I only recently discovered your channel and have watched several of your sleuthing efforts. It's really nice to see your professional approach to troubleshooting with such an enthusiastic informatiove verbal delivery to what is happening. Thanks very much for sharing it with me and so many others.
Greetings from Brazil. I've been following the FoF and PCDC since the beginning and they've helped me with several projects. Thank you and keep up the good work.
Also having a 550W PSU in that rig with those specs is coming awfully close to the high end of the suggested wattage for all the components he is running. I would have upgraded that PSU to at least a 650W so that all components are getting the necessary power especially when the owner is doing some heavy gaming.
As most comments suggest people say it's connection related but because user displayed it being turned on and off instantly at some point in the video it would indicate heat issue after some extensive use, which component is overheating though? Not sure why this channel doesn't invest in psu tester and check temps as well on psu, just focus on checking CPU and GPU, get a thermal camera? It's a literally swapping parts channel so it's at least he could do. I like his personality and videos but the troubleshooting is always so mid... "oh the cpu was bad so I swapped it" why don't you just try to repair it?
@majjjk He has an expensive psu tester seen being used on this channel on a regular basis, as to heat explain where the heat is being generated? When the system not on for more than a second? It's power related my personal opinion loose connection or home power strip, n as electronics engineer doing component level testing and repair, I'm pretty sure I'm on the money . As to swapping out parts that's the economics of fixing a pc , sure on high end item such as 40 series card I'll reball gpu, diagnose memory, but the hours to fault find a motherboard fault is just uneconomical for the end user when replacing motherboard would be cheaper for them. That said when I have spare time I regularly fully repair donor boards , and nearly 90% successfully but I wouldn't re sell as sure as it'll come back with something else, I just use em in office as test rigs.
Some of us used to game on consols that took cartridges (or god forbid even casette tapes!), they would lock up and fail to load games probably 50% of the time on a bad day. You litterally just had to breath on the cartridges and they would lock up, and the cassettes would constantly missread a bit, and you'd have to reset the machine, rewind the entire tape, and try again lol. 2 crashes a day is pure luxury to some folks who remeber them days haha. Not to mention that houses back then were like only 3x the cost of a modern day top tier prebuilt. Although I' d still at least try to fix it tbf. 😅
Not sure the case would make a huge difference, that chip is probably badly binned as you said. A few degrees from an airflow case is still gonna be roughly 85c on average. The ever elusive atx ~click~ though lol...
Running 4 sticks of ram on those AMD CPU's makes them run slightly hotter than just using 2 sticks, I have a rig with the same CPU and AMD cooler, and 2 sticks (32Gig total) RAM. Hits 81C under full load.
I ran my own PC repair business. If I can't figure out what the root problem is (just like in this video) there is no charge. I'm glad content is being put uploaded for people to at the very least try to repair their own stuff.
Well, Greg, I think you should just give the man a whole new computer. Just kidding, I feel like you are doing a great job, for all of us that watch, and for those who get their computers fixed for free. Keep up the good work.
Good grief...just starting the video and that power supply seems a bit lacking for the system as it sits. Looking forward to the end result! Love your videos...and there's always something to learn!
I think this was a solid plan of attack. I would bet the problem is on his end---something input (AC power) or output (cables or tv) related. And yeah....with those CPU temps, replacing the stock cooler is a no-brainer
Your Fix or Flop and PCDC series made me confident in disassembling my PC's parts more and tinker with them. As long as you know the precautions in tinkering your PC's parts, you're doing good. Also, it helps me troubleshoot other people's rig more efficiently. Thank you, Greg!
All troubleshooting examples are worth while. Sometimes it's a loose connection, sometimes a bad cable, and sometimes a bad component. It's good to be reminded of all the possibilities and to check the easy things first.
Your videos disappeared from my feed, and popped up a few days ago. So glad they did. Been going video by video trying to catch up. Love the fix or flop series.
I appreciate the honesty and not throwing a bunch of free expensive upgrades at it without addressing the actual problem. Just wanted to throw that out there.
Hi Greg. My first thought was he had a problem with his house power supply. Voltage and/or current fluctuations, service panel problems, circuit breaker(s), house wiring, or wall outlet. These potential problem areas could be checked using a multimeter or an expensive electrician. A great test would be to connect his PC to a UPS. This device will provide smooth, regulated power to his PC and also contains a built-in surge protector. Another, and the last way to diagnose the PC would be to move its components to a test bench. This makes working on the PC more accessible, especially when replacing components.
I always like to pause the video at the beginning after you or the owner describes the issue, and try to "guess" what's wrong with it. For this one, my first instinct was "something is shorting", however the fact that it could boot and play just fine but randomly wouldn't boot at times confused me as well. I also think the culprit was the 24-pin not being fully inserted. Moving the system could've moved the connector just enough so it wouldn't display the same issue. Just for a sanity check though, I would've tried to replicate the issue, by not fully inserting the 4-pin connector to various degrees, just to confirm my suspicion. But I digress. Great video as always Greg, thanks for learning with us!
The first thing you always check are the connectors from the mains cable on the case to the smaller cable on the motherboard. I had an instance recently of the power in the kitchen kept cutting out, I thought it might have been a faulty kettle or toaster. When I checked the fuseboard the MCB wasn't clamped onto the busbar. I checked all the other MCB's for similar problem and found an additional one. I re-seated the two mcb's and now everything is fine. Rule out the obvious. Great video as always, keep it up I really enjoy this type of content.
100% one of my favorite things to watch on youtube. Love the way you give back to the community even if its small upgrades or heck even no upgrade at all but just help give the knowledge to help fix someones broken system. Keep up the great content and i just wanna say Thank you for doing what you do for everyone here.
My first thought was power supply issue maybe, it's amazing to see something as small as a slightly wonky plug can cause so many problems. Honesty is why I come here to watch you Greg, don't stop with that. I know there's always something we can learn from failures and successes.
I always appreciated the idea that you got rigs up and running and back to the user, rather than doing a bunch of pimp my rig type upgrades that resemble throwing money at problems and not really addressing the issue past replacing stuff till it stops. Makes the video a little more relatable, and keeps the focus on learning something, at least for me.
Extremely possible that the loose cables (both the 4 pin and the GPU 6 pin) were the culprit. System auto shutting off to protect itself. Always great to see the methods of which you go through for troubleshooting a variety of issues. It has been very helpful as a recent graduate in both IT and InfoSec, to add to my own toolbox of points of contention when troubleshooting any issues with a system. Keep up the great work.
I was in a similar position with this exactct case. A few years ago my wife bought 2 skytech prebuilts. They were not as high spec as what this one is. They were Ryzen 2600 with an A-320 motherboard and a GTX-1650. The first upgrade I did was replace the graphics cards with RTX-2060s. This is where I ran into the graphics cards running hot as they were so close to the power supply. My first thought was to do as you were saying and replace the case. But kids being kids and not understanding why I was showing them new cases, they wanted to keep theirs. So the next thing I did was remove the glass from the front panel and bought a set of 5 inexpensive pwm fans from Amazon for each tower. The skytech fans are molex and not able to vary airflow with temps. I did install all five fans which isn't ideal for pressure but made a huge difference combined with removing the front glass. I have bought a cut to fit dust filter setup to try on the front of each, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. This worked well for a while, and then a friend of mine needed systems for his kids. So i pulled the all of the components out of these and installed them into the Montech Air 100 case. The components work perfectly with great temps. When I then installed new components back into my kids' cases I used a SFX power supply to get it away from the GPU. They currently have The ryzen 5600 with a B550 and A RX6650XT. I also used a cheap $20 4 pipe air cooler at this time. This final configuration runs great in the original case with good temps. The only problem now is dust which I hope to solve with the cut to fit dust filter material.
Maybe should have checked for an overclock. I have a computer with a 3700X, and just using ASUS's base overclock features on a B550 board in bios led to uncomfortable temperatures. Using a tower cooler, I was in the 88-89°C range just like you showed with the BeQuiet cooler. The computer was stable at those temperatures though. I suspect that the issue was with the 4 pin not being plugged all the way in. Depending on how the machine was transported, the vibration may have been just enough to barely seat those pins to the point of contact with the motherboard header, which is why you didn't see any issue.
Replicating these issues are really hard, for example i have a friend who owns a 3070 and at idle is always at full mhz speed for some reason, and when we play it takes two sometimes he would get black screen on his monitor( but the pc is still on) turning on and off the monitor doesnt help, and his temps are fine and til this day we couldnt fix it by ourselves after trying a lot of different things.. on other side Glad to see the viewer happy! love these videos
I think fix or flop is thee best youtube tech videos on youtube, as this helps so many out there in to helping them fix their own systems, this education is priceless. looking forward to many more and i think more compaines should sponsor these videos...
I think your auditing of the cabling did a lot more for the repair than you realise Greg. There was clearly a lot of issues with this build that are not as severe as for other systems you have repaired. Thanks again for the excellent videos as always.
Been building and upgrading desktop PCs from the days of math co-processors. And I confess to be baffled and confounded by times. I think the things you tried would have been high on my list as well. Cars and PCs are both much upset by poor power or grounding connections and I've found and fixed a lot of those over the last 50 years.
Honesty is good, Greg. Especially when the owner screwed so many things up. You shouldn't say he shouldn't be ashamed. He totally should be for not plugging in those power cables correctly. I've been building PCs far longer than he has (longer than you, even) and I've never made that particular mistake.
But Greg why didn't you give him an RTX4090, and a i9-14900k and a 1000w power supply and bought him a new car. Do you my guy, you're the unsung hero of the TH-cam tech world. Happy New Year!!!!
That power cable could be easily the issue. Maybe with transport it moved a little bit and made a little more contact with the mobo,and thats all. Im not english speaker,dont understand it well,but i really enjoy this fix or flop series,are really fun and educative. Thanks for your time and happy new year!
I have been fixing PCs for a long time, 1 thing I have added to doing any tests is a couple bump tests, 1 or 2 in each direction can be cracked solder joints or other issues that aren't easily seen
I think keeping the case was a good call. I bought a pre built, had heat issues, went to swap cases. But everything in it was made for that case. I needed to buy cable extensions, the new case, more fans, new motherboard(the one it came with was bios locked and wouldn’t let me change fan speeds, ram xmp profiles, limited connections for fans and usb,) ram upgrade , new aoi cpu cooler. It was taxing and stressful. And end result was great learned a lot about computers and love for building one. Not to mention my pc currently is great!
I'd be blaming those loose connections for sure. Lost count of how many issues I've seen on all manner of equipment because some subsystem or other wasn't getting stable power. Glad to see another success!
This is a comment for Fix or Flop S1:E1 Hey Greg! I know im a bit late. But just wanted to give some input from a person with the exact same problem. I recently got a b550-f rog strix and a ryzen 5 5600x. i knew every other part was fine. So it was a little easier to check. But i used bios flashback to update my bios and tried to run the pc. it did the exact same thing. But i cleared the cmos. Then it booted into bios, but when i exited bios no input. I did a RMA on my motherboard and cpu. But got the same exact problem. My fix was just to go back to the second latest bios version and i turned on without a problem. Love your videos!
My PC did the same thing, however I immediately found out it was my power strip. Pretty easy to figure out since it was making sparking noises. It was also the first thing I thought of when I saw the video. It's also the first thing people need to check if they have similar problems... check the outlet/power card/power surge/etc.
at first i thought the episode was going to end prematurely, but im glad that as you dug deeper you ended up finding small adjustments to make to improve the build overall! It was more than likely the partially connected 4 pin, and a bios update might be needed for such an old CPU. Either way, this episode was still very informative and educational! Thanks again, Greg!
If only I lived near you…. My old pc was randomly crashing during COD. Sometimes the game randomly crashes with an errror. Not one to monitor the temps, did not realize it was the issue. I replaced the water cooler with a fan cooler & fresh paste. In addition, I replaced the paste on the gpu. Also got a new case. Keep in mind this build was for 4xxx Intel chip when it was new. Before the temps were in the 90-100 range for both. Now they are only 70 max on heavy load. Big difference! I’ve upgraded my system with 3070 graphics card so it can play all these new games with normal settings. I know the rest of the system is probably holding it back but it’s working for my needs. New builds are quite spendy for my needs. Hopefully I get a few more years out of this old beast. ;)
The LED strips, just casually thrown in there, like confetti. The TINY case, did he install everything with a shoehorn?! Apologies to Epileptic Amphibians !
I remember helping my friend build his first PC over facetime. At the very end, I told him to do a double, triple check of all the wires to make sure everything's in and seated properly. Of course, he didn't listen, and started panicking when the PC would boot but not show display. One of his GPU cables wasn't in all the way, like I told him to check.
Even if there is no definitive outcome I still look at your uploads as a good learning tool. I have used your diagnostic steps on builds to find problems myself. As for this one, 2 things concern me, airflow and a 550W power supply. Thanks for the uploads 👍😁
Interesting, educational and entertaining video as usual! Also really love your personality, honesty and integrity Greg. Massive thanks for all videos this year and really looking forward to 2024! :)
As a 3700X owner myself, I've found that most B450 boards are quite judicious with vCore at stock settings, sometimes pumping more than 1.45V, when 1.375 to 1.39V is adequate. Adjusting the vCore would make a significant impact on CPU load temps, and possibly prolong the lifespan of the CPU as well.
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Only one episode to go! Thanks for watching!
Only one for S4 you mean?
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i had that same asrock board, mine would do like a half power off like the system was still completely running but no display and no input what so ever, seems asrocks lower end entry boards tend to have quite a few issues
Honestly you couldn't have done anything differently. Sadly if you can't replicate the problem then you can't fix said problem. And to give the owner a new cooler was nice. Something you didn't have to do. I think it was the loose cables.
Love them all! :) Also, what brush are you using to clean pins?
The loose power cables could totally have caused the issue. And moving the PC around in a car could have moved them enough to work fine with you.
exactly what i was going to say
Exactly
It’s possible, but it’s also possible that the person intentionally unplugged it
@@imnotallergic Go to all that trouble just to have Gregg find the loose plugs and give it back as delivered? Fewer logical jumps are required for it just to be a mistake- maybe they unplugged all those cables when they upgraded the GPU and they were never clipped (because you have to press really hard) and slowly worked loose.
Yes exactly, my first thought also. Transport made them go from totally loose to only slightly loose.👍
Greg! I saw that identical issue with a 2700x when I didn't have the 4-pin in all the way. I think that loose cable was probably it.
That kind of issue tends to be misconnections. For me at least, so far. Somewhat even weird "building PC is like Legos" People proceed to put RBG connectors to fan ports or smth similiar.
Maybe he just didn't include it in the video, but I was curious what would have happened if you tried to power it on without it in at all.
I recon your right and transporting the rig to Greg re made the connection again so it appeared to be stable.
I had this exact issue few weeks back when I move my 7900X build from an old PC case to a new one along with a new contact frame. I've check all the connections were correctly plugged but still couldn't boot until I reinstalled the CPU, cpu cooler and contact frame.
I swear it was correctly installed the first time but for some reason it isn't?
@@hukesama8389One of the advantages of PGA sockets (like AM4) is that they don't require high even pressure. LGA on the other hand requires even pressure, otherwise some pins might not be making perfect contact resulting in anomalies. This can happen from both the contact frame not providing even pressure, and from the CPU cooler not being tightened evenly on all sides. That could very well have been it.
I like the idea of fixing with minimal replacement as that's what we want as a user in repair. Cheapest option.
Totally agree that's what makes it entertaining. I've seen other videos on other channels where they start off as a repair attempt and end up building a whole new pc way more expensive than the original one. That's no fun.
And also, replacing his case is something he wouldn't want, necessarily, as he CHOSE that case. It's up to him to think what case he wants to replace it as and when.
@@Cornelius87 fair. Though when the PC was in a fire lke Gamers Nexus when they still saved most of it? Pretty incredible.
@@ukeleleEric yes! True. Just because the channel partner of TH-cam (wanted to day owner, but with TH-cam you do not own your channel), his name is Greg right? That would have been easier.
Just because he does work for free doesn't mean to stop listening to the customer. Super important because I absolutely love these shows!
This specific situation must be SO FRUSTRATING, but for a viewer like me who does her own troubleshooting and repairs, it helps. Our minds often jump to the worst case scenario, and sometimes it's something as simple as a loose cable. Personally, I find the episodes where it's just something small or simple that causes the issue to be the most beneficial because it reminds me to check and double-check before I start ripping things out. Definitely not a flop - keep up the good work!
Oh, and I was at Micro Center recently and had the pleasure of working with Aaron from one of your videos - you're right, he's a really cool guy!
Aaron is awesome! Thanks for watching!
And sometimes we see a loose cable, correct it and call it good when that wasn't really the problem with the crashing. It is called 'confirmation bias'. Greg only fixed half the issue.
Once, i needed to disassemble my pc, when i reassembled i had put the reset switch on the power btn jumper, and i panicked as i pressed the power button and the pc didn't turn on, i brought the pc to a friend and he pointed out and connected the front io properly, fixed the issue and i immediately got relieved hahaha
I work in the Building Automation Sector (HVAC computerized control systems) in the NYC area. Finding loose connections burns my keester. Laziness. Wire in, tug and move on. Whether it is a terminal, spade, butt splice or connector.
Well done Greg. Another great FoF video.
Sweet, a new FoF video. I am really enjoying this series.
I greatly appreciate it!
A Bios update alone would probably help CPU temps, I had the same cpu and it ran unreasonably hot until I updated to the latest Bios.
my guess is that it was running it at a higher voltage than necessary
Thats not really how it works
@@yotoprules9361like he overclocked or as the OP was saying it was the bios that had it configured to run higher voltage? Just asking because I have 3700x on an original build date bios of July 2020. No issues except a fan curve that randomly goes to jet speeds even if temps are fine. Whenever under full load. Like it goes from 60c 50%fans to 61c 100%fans. I’ve looked everywhere and don’t know if there’s some app in background I can’t find or something. No unusual programs running when I check hwinfo. Just an annoying inconvenience more than anything
@@four_20hitman___97 Most motherboards allow you to set a fan curve in the bios. You could try that maybe.
@@four_20hitman___97 for Ryzen, set the fan ramp up/down time higher. This will fix the fans suddenly spinning up. Had the exact same issue myself. You can also try a custom fan curve in the bios
coming from an auto tech and pc enthusiast, not fully seats wires/plugs can cause said issues. sometimes it works fine, other times it will leave you scratching your head trying to figure out what the problem is. i hope everything is good on the owners end now and if there is an issue other than the pc itself, he has it straightened out. also thanks for another great video. i do enjoy watching them.
Much appreciated!
Probably one of my favorite series to watch on TH-cam, I feel like I learn more watching different situations happening with all these rigs!😊
The power on and off could have been OCP kicking in. Which from memory they can reset and let you power back on after an interval of time. So may have been why it powered on for Greg. The loose cables in my eyes were probably the cause of original power issues but my guess is something triggered OCP which then was reset by the time Greg go it.
This is something I think needs an entire video made about. I have ran into this exact thing two times on 2 different PCs and had no idea until I read your comment.
@@KRASHPROJECTI saw this first in a JayzTwoCents video where they were upgrading Nick or Phil's pc and thought they killed a motherboard and even got a replacement. Turned out ocp had kicked in and then made it look like a dead board.
Glad you caught the power supply connectors, but 550w is a bit on the low side for that graphics card. If they are going to upgrade the case in future they should also upgrade the power supply, especially since it could be a loose piece of solder in it causing the short seen in the submitted video.
if I can run a 5950x and a rtx 3090 on a 600W psu, this Psu is plenty. And I know for a fact that psu is plenty. the max draw on that system is probably about 420 watts max.
people are being paranoid about PSUs these days. I have the same CPU and a 3070 Ti which draws quite a bit more power than the 3070, and the system doesn't go above 450W at the wall, that's before PSU losses, so the output power is probably just over 400W. But scaring people into thinking they need more powerful PSUs makes the manufacturers a lot of money, so they won't tell you how much you actually need.
It's a bit low on the capacity, and it's a total garbage brand. While this unit is C-tier, a majority of Gamdias' products are absolute cheap junk that I would avoid. Not quite on the level of Gamemax or Aresgame, but bad nonetheless.
@@Alvin853. It’s kind of weird as the paranoia ebbs and flows. One year techtubers are recommending 1000w, the next year they say 750w is overkill… for the same amount of power consumption.
Personally, I think it’s a combination of quality of PSU and power draw.
@@marxman6896 Gamdias Kratos M1 is E tier unit lol, at least according to Cultist's latest tier list. IMHO owner better start looking for better replacement.
Another great fix or flop episode. I’m glad you still posted it. It could really help someone experiencing similar symptoms. It gives novices more things to consider that they may not think to check.
I always build/repair my own PCs. So much of what you do is nothing new to me. HOWEVER! I still enjoy watching them because there is a chance I may learn something new. Keep up the great work!😊
And for me it's so fun to see if I can solve it before Greg can. Or if my initial off-the-cuff diagnosis is correct. Which it rarely is because these puzzles can get quite complicated with multiple causes sometimes.
I appreciate your candid attitude even when not being able to pinpoint the shut down issue. Your theories that it could be a bad power cord or surge protector are plausible. Even more possible is that dangling 4 pin cpu plug that was never plugged in completely for the intermittent shutdowns. I agree that shoving everything into a micro case is not very nice for temps.
I only recently discovered your channel and have watched several of your sleuthing efforts. It's really nice to see your professional approach to troubleshooting with such an enthusiastic informatiove verbal delivery to what is happening. Thanks very much for sharing it with me and so many others.
Greg here fixing my fix or flop withdrawal. Definitely not a flop.
Greetings from Brazil. I've been following the FoF and PCDC since the beginning and they've helped me with several projects. Thank you and keep up the good work.
what i might have tried is to pull the 4pin power cable that was loose and see if it causes the initial issue.
great job!
That blinking green light would drive me insane!
Without the issue replicating with Greg, he just shows how much he loves his customers as he gives free PC components (like the cooler) away for free!
Also having a 550W PSU in that rig with those specs is coming awfully close to the high end of the suggested wattage for all the components he is running. I would have upgraded that PSU to at least a 650W so that all components are getting the necessary power especially when the owner is doing some heavy gaming.
I will upgrade PSU to 750W minimum.
As most comments suggest people say it's connection related but because user displayed it being turned on and off instantly at some point in the video it would indicate heat issue after some extensive use, which component is overheating though? Not sure why this channel doesn't invest in psu tester and check temps as well on psu, just focus on checking CPU and GPU, get a thermal camera? It's a literally swapping parts channel so it's at least he could do. I like his personality and videos but the troubleshooting is always so mid... "oh the cpu was bad so I swapped it" why don't you just try to repair it?
@@majjjk exactly
@majjjk He has an expensive psu tester seen being used on this channel on a regular basis, as to heat explain where the heat is being generated? When the system not on for more than a second? It's power related my personal opinion loose connection or home power strip, n as electronics engineer doing component level testing and repair, I'm pretty sure I'm on the money . As to swapping out parts that's the economics of fixing a pc , sure on high end item such as 40 series card I'll reball gpu, diagnose memory, but the hours to fault find a motherboard fault is just uneconomical for the end user when replacing motherboard would be cheaper for them. That said when I have spare time I regularly fully repair donor boards , and nearly 90% successfully but I wouldn't re sell as sure as it'll come back with something else, I just use em in office as test rigs.
How is a PC crashing *twice a day* not a deal breaker, lol
My thoughts exactly... this dude was roughing it.
Some of us used to game on consols that took cartridges (or god forbid even casette tapes!), they would lock up and fail to load games probably 50% of the time on a bad day. You litterally just had to breath on the cartridges and they would lock up, and the cassettes would constantly missread a bit, and you'd have to reset the machine, rewind the entire tape, and try again lol. 2 crashes a day is pure luxury to some folks who remeber them days haha.
Not to mention that houses back then were like only 3x the cost of a modern day top tier prebuilt. Although I' d still at least try to fix it tbf. 😅
for real....
Hey did you test the power supply?? Could it have been a combination of improper connection and a hinky power supply?? Just wondering.
nothing i love more than to watch a new upload at my job as helpdesk xD Thanks Greg!
my favourite series on TH-cam, please continue making these fix or flop videos
Damn good looking PC! Love a compact build!
Agreed
Same
Same here
Yes, it is a nice-looking build -- now that the LED strip isn't randomly floating past the window. It might have fallen during transport.
Not sure the case would make a huge difference, that chip is probably badly binned as you said. A few degrees from an airflow case is still gonna be roughly 85c on average.
The ever elusive atx ~click~ though lol...
Running 4 sticks of ram on those AMD CPU's makes them run slightly hotter than just using 2 sticks, I have a rig with the same CPU and AMD cooler, and 2 sticks (32Gig total) RAM. Hits 81C under full load.
I ran my own PC repair business. If I can't figure out what the root problem is (just like in this video) there is no charge. I'm glad content is being put uploaded for people to at the very least try to repair their own stuff.
100% honest Creg, that's why we LOVE this channel
Well, Greg, I think you should just give the man a whole new computer. Just kidding, I feel like you are doing a great job, for all of us that watch, and for those who get their computers fixed for free. Keep up the good work.
I always look forward to these fix or flop videos. I find them incredibly relaxing
A nice one to tie off the year. Have a fabulous 2024, Greg!
Good grief...just starting the video and that power supply seems a bit lacking for the system as it sits. Looking forward to the end result! Love your videos...and there's always something to learn!
I think this was a solid plan of attack. I would bet the problem is on his end---something input (AC power) or output (cables or tv) related. And yeah....with those CPU temps, replacing the stock cooler is a no-brainer
Your Fix or Flop and PCDC series made me confident in disassembling my PC's parts more and tinker with them. As long as you know the precautions in tinkering your PC's parts, you're doing good. Also, it helps me troubleshoot other people's rig more efficiently. Thank you, Greg!
All troubleshooting examples are worth while. Sometimes it's a loose connection, sometimes a bad cable, and sometimes a bad component. It's good to be reminded of all the possibilities and to check the easy things first.
Fix or flop is my favorite thing about your page. Thanks Greg!
Your videos disappeared from my feed, and popped up a few days ago. So glad they did. Been going video by video trying to catch up. Love the fix or flop series.
I appreciate the honesty and not throwing a bunch of free expensive upgrades at it without addressing the actual problem. Just wanted to throw that out there.
Hi Greg. My first thought was he had a problem with his house power supply. Voltage and/or current fluctuations, service panel problems, circuit breaker(s), house wiring, or wall outlet. These potential problem areas could be checked using a multimeter or an expensive electrician. A great test would be to connect his PC to a UPS. This device will provide smooth, regulated power to his PC and also contains a built-in surge protector. Another, and the last way to diagnose the PC would be to move its components to a test bench. This makes working on the PC more accessible, especially when replacing components.
I always like to pause the video at the beginning after you or the owner describes the issue, and try to "guess" what's wrong with it. For this one, my first instinct was "something is shorting", however the fact that it could boot and play just fine but randomly wouldn't boot at times confused me as well. I also think the culprit was the 24-pin not being fully inserted. Moving the system could've moved the connector just enough so it wouldn't display the same issue. Just for a sanity check though, I would've tried to replicate the issue, by not fully inserting the 4-pin connector to various degrees, just to confirm my suspicion. But I digress. Great video as always Greg, thanks for learning with us!
Salazar s genuinly a great guy, doesnt beg for patreon or shit, props to u my man
The first thing you always check are the connectors from the mains cable on the case to the smaller cable on the motherboard. I had an instance recently of the power in the kitchen kept cutting out, I thought it might have been a faulty kettle or toaster. When I checked the fuseboard the MCB wasn't clamped onto the busbar. I checked all the other MCB's for similar problem and found an additional one. I re-seated the two mcb's and now everything is fine. Rule out the obvious.
Great video as always, keep it up I really enjoy this type of content.
100% one of my favorite things to watch on youtube. Love the way you give back to the community even if its small upgrades or heck even no upgrade at all but just help give the knowledge to help fix someones broken system. Keep up the great content and i just wanna say Thank you for doing what you do for everyone here.
My first thought was power supply issue maybe, it's amazing to see something as small as a slightly wonky plug can cause so many problems. Honesty is why I come here to watch you Greg, don't stop with that. I know there's always something we can learn from failures and successes.
oh well, i'm disappointed on how it turned out, but happy for the owner part, thanks as always @Greg Salazar
TH-camr asks for comments below and puts up B roll of the new shiny "Be Quiet" CPU cooler.
Does our host have humor? Love it! 🤣
I always appreciated the idea that you got rigs up and running and back to the user, rather than doing a bunch of pimp my rig type upgrades that resemble throwing money at problems and not really addressing the issue past replacing stuff till it stops. Makes the video a little more relatable, and keeps the focus on learning something, at least for me.
Extremely possible that the loose cables (both the 4 pin and the GPU 6 pin) were the culprit. System auto shutting off to protect itself. Always great to see the methods of which you go through for troubleshooting a variety of issues. It has been very helpful as a recent graduate in both IT and InfoSec, to add to my own toolbox of points of contention when troubleshooting any issues with a system. Keep up the great work.
Greg I’m being honest bro go full fix or flop this one the best and most unique pc categories in the market
I always appreciate your honesty.
As a former bench tech, i can say that your methods are good and bring back lots of memories. Keep up the great work.
I was in a similar position with this exactct case. A few years ago my wife bought 2 skytech prebuilts. They were not as high spec as what this one is. They were Ryzen 2600 with an A-320 motherboard and a GTX-1650. The first upgrade I did was replace the graphics cards with RTX-2060s. This is where I ran into the graphics cards running hot as they were so close to the power supply. My first thought was to do as you were saying and replace the case. But kids being kids and not understanding why I was showing them new cases, they wanted to keep theirs. So the next thing I did was remove the glass from the front panel and bought a set of 5 inexpensive pwm fans from Amazon for each tower. The skytech fans are molex and not able to vary airflow with temps. I did install all five fans which isn't ideal for pressure but made a huge difference combined with removing the front glass. I have bought a cut to fit dust filter setup to try on the front of each, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. This worked well for a while, and then a friend of mine needed systems for his kids. So i pulled the all of the components out of these and installed them into the Montech Air 100 case. The components work perfectly with great temps. When I then installed new components back into my kids' cases I used a SFX power supply to get it away from the GPU. They currently have The ryzen 5600 with a B550 and A RX6650XT. I also used a cheap $20 4 pipe air cooler at this time. This final configuration runs great in the original case with good temps. The only problem now is dust which I hope to solve with the cut to fit dust filter material.
i like the fact that you walk through your thoughts as you try to fix the pc.
I love these series of videos, they're truly unique in a landscape on TH-cam, where everyone does the same shit.
Maybe should have checked for an overclock. I have a computer with a 3700X, and just using ASUS's base overclock features on a B550 board in bios led to uncomfortable temperatures. Using a tower cooler, I was in the 88-89°C range just like you showed with the BeQuiet cooler. The computer was stable at those temperatures though. I suspect that the issue was with the 4 pin not being plugged all the way in. Depending on how the machine was transported, the vibration may have been just enough to barely seat those pins to the point of contact with the motherboard header, which is why you didn't see any issue.
Was having Star Trek Borg flashbacks with the green jazz.
Good show, cheers!
Replicating these issues are really hard, for example i have a friend who owns a 3070 and at idle is always at full mhz speed for some reason, and when we play it takes two sometimes he would get black screen on his monitor( but the pc is still on) turning on and off the monitor doesnt help, and his temps are fine and til this day we couldnt fix it by ourselves after trying a lot of different things.. on other side Glad to see the viewer happy! love these videos
Best series on YT.
I think fix or flop is thee best youtube tech videos on youtube, as this helps so many out there in to helping them fix their own systems, this education is priceless. looking forward to many more and i think more compaines should sponsor these videos...
Your great guy helping people with computer issues.
FoF is my favorite PC hardware-related series ever! Thanks Greg for keeping it up! :)
I think your auditing of the cabling did a lot more for the repair than you realise Greg. There was clearly a lot of issues with this build that are not as severe as for other systems you have repaired. Thanks again for the excellent videos as always.
Found this series a few months ago. It has quickly become one of my favorite tech series
Been building and upgrading desktop PCs from the days of math co-processors. And I confess to be baffled and confounded by times. I think the things you tried would have been high on my list as well. Cars and PCs are both much upset by poor power or grounding connections and I've found and fixed a lot of those over the last 50 years.
even as a technician i learn new things from watching this series.
Thanks for your continued service and support of the computer community. Major thumbs up. May you be blessed and have a wonderful year and new year.
Thanks for the continued support!
I'm watching you couple of years already,you are the reason to build my PC ,i love this series Greg ,keep it up and best regards 🙏
Honesty is good, Greg. Especially when the owner screwed so many things up. You shouldn't say he shouldn't be ashamed. He totally should be for not plugging in those power cables correctly. I've been building PCs far longer than he has (longer than you, even) and I've never made that particular mistake.
But Greg why didn't you give him an RTX4090, and a i9-14900k and a 1000w power supply and bought him a new car. Do you my guy, you're the unsung hero of the TH-cam tech world. Happy New Year!!!!
That power cable could be easily the issue. Maybe with transport it moved a little bit and made a little more contact with the mobo,and thats all. Im not english speaker,dont understand it well,but i really enjoy this fix or flop series,are really fun and educative. Thanks for your time and happy new year!
I have been fixing PCs for a long time, 1 thing I have added to doing any tests is a couple bump tests, 1 or 2 in each direction can be cracked solder joints or other issues that aren't easily seen
I think keeping the case was a good call. I bought a pre built, had heat issues, went to swap cases. But everything in it was made for that case. I needed to buy cable extensions, the new case, more fans, new motherboard(the one it came with was bios locked and wouldn’t let me change fan speeds, ram xmp profiles, limited connections for fans and usb,) ram upgrade , new aoi cpu cooler. It was taxing and stressful. And end result was great learned a lot about computers and love for building one. Not to mention my pc currently is great!
I'd be blaming those loose connections for sure. Lost count of how many issues I've seen on all manner of equipment because some subsystem or other wasn't getting stable power. Glad to see another success!
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Hey Greg! I know im a bit late. But just wanted to give some input from a person with the exact same problem. I recently got a b550-f rog strix and a ryzen 5 5600x. i knew every other part was fine. So it was a little easier to check. But i used bios flashback to update my bios and tried to run the pc. it did the exact same thing. But i cleared the cmos. Then it booted into bios, but when i exited bios no input. I did a RMA on my motherboard and cpu. But got the same exact problem. My fix was just to go back to the second latest bios version and i turned on without a problem.
Love your videos!
My PC did the same thing, however I immediately found out it was my power strip. Pretty easy to figure out since it was making sparking noises. It was also the first thing I thought of when I saw the video. It's also the first thing people need to check if they have similar problems... check the outlet/power card/power surge/etc.
Think you went above and beyond on this one especially with the problem seemingly being poor build quality rather than a technical issue.
“Never thought I would be your subject”….😂
at first i thought the episode was going to end prematurely, but im glad that as you dug deeper you ended up finding small adjustments to make to improve the build overall!
It was more than likely the partially connected 4 pin, and a bios update might be needed for such an old CPU.
Either way, this episode was still very informative and educational!
Thanks again, Greg!
An outdated BIOS wouldn't cause the power issues we were seeing. Wanted to focus on that.
Enjoyed this fix or flop - keep em coming Greg.
Fav tech series on this website by far!
I like that it cant be in depth full system diagnostic repairs on every episode, its nice to see a minimal swap repair once in a while :D
Built a computer for myself and a friend of mine using what i learned from you over the years. thank you, and a happy new year.
Love the Fix or Flop vids. Thanks for the discount code for my Windows key.
Good video to highlight the importance of checking all cables as part of running diagnostics.
I learn something every time I see a fix or flop! that's why I keep watching. Keep up what you are doing.
If only I lived near you…. My old pc was randomly crashing during COD. Sometimes the game randomly crashes with an errror. Not one to monitor the temps, did not realize it was the issue. I replaced the water cooler with a fan cooler & fresh paste. In addition, I replaced the paste on the gpu. Also got a new case. Keep in mind this build was for 4xxx Intel chip when it was new. Before the temps were in the 90-100 range for both. Now they are only 70 max on heavy load. Big difference!
I’ve upgraded my system with 3070 graphics card so it can play all these new games with normal settings. I know the rest of the system is probably holding it back but it’s working for my needs. New builds are quite spendy for my needs. Hopefully I get a few more years out of this old beast. ;)
Gotta say, your camera and video quality is just impeccable! Enjoyed this one as well! Well done sir!
The LED strips, just casually thrown in there, like confetti. The TINY case, did he install everything with a shoehorn?!
Apologies to Epileptic Amphibians !
I remember helping my friend build his first PC over facetime. At the very end, I told him to do a double, triple check of all the wires to make sure everything's in and seated properly.
Of course, he didn't listen, and started panicking when the PC would boot but not show display. One of his GPU cables wasn't in all the way, like I told him to check.
trying to learn more about computers appreciate the series man!
Even if there is no definitive outcome I still look at your uploads as a good learning tool. I have used your diagnostic steps on builds to find problems myself. As for this one, 2 things concern me, airflow and a 550W power supply. Thanks for the uploads 👍😁
Always love your content! Can't wait for your 1M subs thank you video to come in 2024!
Had my 24 pin come loose on one of my older desktops after about 5 years, did the same thing!😲😲 heating and cooling!
I love this series so much, it never gets old
Interesting, educational and entertaining video as usual! Also really love your personality, honesty and integrity Greg. Massive thanks for all videos this year and really looking forward to 2024! :)
As a 3700X owner myself, I've found that most B450 boards are quite judicious with vCore at stock settings, sometimes pumping more than 1.45V, when 1.375 to 1.39V is adequate. Adjusting the vCore would make a significant impact on CPU load temps, and possibly prolong the lifespan of the CPU as well.
For someone who self proclaimed "pc enthusiast" that rig while not the worst was not exactly stellar.
Happy Christmas from Germany to you and hopefully a happy new and successfully year.
Thanks for all of your videos and I want to wish you and yours a joyful and prosperous New Year.
thats a tough one when you get the old mechanics dilemma of the thing just working when you go to fix it, also i love the bequiet sponsor the products always look so classy and maybe a bit subdued but in a good way