Just a note on your battery life comparison between your phone and the Tab C Pro; the power required to full switch pixels in an eink screen can be from 1 to 8 mJ/cm whereas on an LCD screen it's 1/10 of that. The usual battery benefit from an eink screen is that it only uses power when it changes whereas an LCD uses power as long as it's displaying something. However, when watching dynamic content that's constantly changing an eink screen will use far more energy than an LCD screen because it's constantly doing a full switch of pixels and doing a full switch takes more power for eink. Add to that the fact that the screen on the Boox has far more square cm to switch than the screen on your phone, and it's easy to see why you were getting more battery life from your phone than the Boox when watching a video. It's an eink problem, not necessarily a Boox problem. I am grateful for the time and effort you put into your videos! Looking forward to your deep guide on 3.5 update!
Yes, if he did the reading test on the phone, it could die before the tab, although I've seen some phones get 7 to 10 hours of screen-on time in reviews (depending on use, but with actually using the phone, not just viewing one document without touching the screen) so... go figure. I'm curious. Kind of suspect that in dark mode the phone has a winning chance! Also, the pixel density on the phone is much higher so it consumes more energy per inch. I'd bet the backlight of the tab is more efficient too, but not an expert. Interesting point.
Yes, this is all correct, and precisely because of the refresh protocol differences between panels, the only test that would give a point of comparison is the one that will force an e-ink panel in a constant state of refresh, like a regular display functions. And that happens to be video playback. Hence, the test :)
Excellent video as always, but despite the awful battery life I guess we loose track of what is the most important issue about using an e-ink device, and that is eye strain, so for the use case of people that work long hours in front of the screen that relief might be enough to sacrifice poor battery performance. Thanks again for the great work.
That is the main reason I bought Tab Ultra C Pro. I wanted to use it as a tablet (for note-taking I have reMarkable 2) for my studies. Just unboxing it and checking what this device is. I don't want regular tablet or laptop simply for their screen because my eyes are more sensitive to that stuff and it fatigue them quite a lot. It also have something to do with how the OLED and LCD feels to you and your brain or health. I think it has some negative aspect in it.
Agree. Have been using it for my master study. It's an excellent device for reading and marking lecture slides, reading reference books, plus taking notes with Obsidian. Most of the time I am using it in front of my desk with it plugged in to a power source, so battery life is not my concern.
@@whitestoatdoes it really cause no eye strain? I want to get one just because of that. But I’ve seen videos where people argue that e ink screens cause eye strain just like normal screens
@@abredolflincler1423 I suspect there be different causes of eye strain/types of strain? For example even reading a regular paper book in low light conditions causes eye strain. I think people who get eye strain from screen light are the ones who benefit from eink tablets? Or in my case, I've started developing motion sickness from any kind of moving lights (screens, light from discoballs), so I can stare at an e ink screen all day, but can't stand looking at my phone for more than a few minutes.
I avoided looking at E-readers and E-notes reviews for a few years cause i cant stop wanting color e-ink despite my Onix Nova 2 Still remaining completly functional... Now i started entertaining the idea again despite not seeing anything since note 4 or smth... got confused in all the model not sure what is what. Knew you got my back. Thank you as always ♡
Great review thanks. I would disagree on one thing, you said, "the one thing you want from an e-ink tab is battery life" yeah that's great but I think for many people it's relief from eye-strain we are looking for.
You may not think that the camera belongs to this device, but in my opinion, you could have made an example of taking a photo and add it on a note, and show the way you can write on top of it, make markings, crops, etc. When producing a report that may need to add photos to increase its details, the camera is something that is very important, and adds a lot of value to these types of documents. Just an opinion. But very good review overall!
Thank you for this incredibly detailed review. As always you are balanced and thoughtful. You are the only e-ink device reviewer I 100% trust. This is a device I am very interested in, and the details you provided have been a huge help to me!
Nice presentation of the Tab Ultra C Pro as usual made by Voja. I own a Tab Ultra C since last spring, his video convinces me not to upgrade for three reasons: as I have near two thousand digital books and papers, in last march, I already needed a larger amount of memory space than on my old NoteAir. With Tab Ultra C. I have now 128 GB of storage space + SD card reader up to 2 TB like on the TUC Pro; battery of the TUC is better with 6300 mAh than on the TUC Pro, that gives me a very good battery life; the colour screen is important for me when I read colour graphics. So as Voja had said, since it's a product in an evolution curve, the improvement is not sufficiently great to change right now. But I agree that the NoteAir3 C, is a great product and maybe I would have bought it if it has been released 7 months ago... Indeed with its 128 GB of memory instead of 64 GB for the NoteAir3 C, the TUC would still stand last spring has a good alternative.
Same here, I wanted to write that if the NA3C was available last spring I would have preferred it to the TUC. But now owning the TUC I see no reason to sacrifice battery life by switching to the latest models. I will stick with my TUC till they improve the screen technology.
I had Boox Tab Ultra (BW) and love the device, crisp naturally lit screen with battery life of 5-7 days of propped use (24 hours) I got the tab ultra pro c and for similar use battery is sufficient for a workday (8-10 hours) for such devices, I don’t think battery should be compromised in that manner… the color screen is much darker than the BW which is reasonable at this stage on boox and similar devices… other than that it is a device I enjoy a lot for writing and reading compared to iPads
Finally a Tab Ultra that performs. Great choice with the CPU. It does seem like an unfinished product - the battery drain has to be fixed! I'm waiting for the next version, and hoping they will remove that camera bump.
Pure features the tab ultra C pro is awesome, it seems to handle a few things I want to do seemingly better than the NAC3 (mostly reading, annotating, drafting, etc) but I would like to be able to do some applications that I know will run on the 855 versus wondering how much I'm giving up with the 665. I'm mostly IT and programming and most of the heavy lifting will be done on another device but being able to have a smooth connection would be all but guaranteed on the Ultra Tab, but at that price point it costs more than my phone that I do try to do everything on. (S23) I don't expect it to do everything with the product it is, but it makes the price point a lot harder to swallow if you don't know for sure you need the extra oomph. I think this will be the push to go for the Air C 3 and just try and do all I can on it and go from there. If the tab and the keyboard together were at the Tab Ultra C's 650 USD price point (or to push my luck, 550-600), it would be a no brainer I think for anyone looking for the versatility and productivity.
Great video! Disagree on the focus on battery life, since e-ink is mostly to reduce eye strain for me, and the keyboard is a huge selling point (I use my ReMarkable 2 keyboard almost every day). Leaning towards this device after watching 4 or 5 of your reviews. Thanks for all the details!
I have 12h workdays (max), i'm not using the tablet all the time and I can charge on the go.. And charge at night... no problem. Battery life is not that big an issue, as long as you can make it till the end of the day...
Thank you, Voja. Excellent review again. And finally you commented on reading comics. But did you try reading in Regal mode? (with animation filter time set to 400 at least) It gives you perfect colours without any ghosting, but at the cost of speed. Balanced mode in my opinion has still plenty of ghosting, especially if the comic uses a lot of dark colours. Btw one day I would like you to explain, why you hate OneNote so much. I think Boox makes an excellent job, implementing it in their system. Meanwhile it's really usable. And a lot of people use OneNote, so I think that's a big pro for Boox devices.
Love the review. Really helps me way the pros and cons! You cannot get your tutorial on 3.5 done fast enough! I use my NA3C everyday at work and I would really like to know I am doing things efficiently and effectively. Also, question: now that the NA3C is out, is your Supernote still your daily driver?
I use them both. Supernote for work related designing and writing, where I need the Titles and the intricate linking functionality, and also, just the raw stability and confidence of the Supernote as a system. NA3C is for everything else that is not Computer related, including journaling, etc.
@@MyDeepGuide Thank goodness! That was actually what I was hoping you would say. I thought I might be a bit nuts because I actually have the need for more than one device because I have multiple needs when it comes to applying eink technology to my life and my career. That’s incredibly helpful Voja. Really, thank you!
Hi Voji, I want to ask you advide - I have the NA3C for less than a month and I love it. However as I need to have 2 to 3 very large college ebooks opened plus the note writing app, I found the device gets quite slow and sluggish. I used the cpu-z app to understand how much ram it was using with those apps and e-books loaded in memory and out of the 4gb I had only 0.8gb left of available ram; so me not being an expert in hardware/system performance, I inferred low ram being the main issue for the slowness. Hence, I am willing to return my na3c and get the tab ultra c pro assuming the performance would improve for my use case by having the extra 2gb ram and slight faster processor. Here is my question: how bad is it to take notes on the TUC pro on a flat surface without a case? I know it sounds crazy but I must use the device without a case/cover (medical/physical limiation reasons). But having read about the wobbling created by the camera bump, I wonder how bad this really is? Can you simply get used to taking notes with the wobbling or is it just too annoying and distracting, cumbersome to the point where the only alternative is to have a cover? Can the wobbling be overcome by simply getting used to it or another workaround, or is the design makes writing on a flat surface simply impractical? My iPad has a camera and it’s about +-2.5mm high and it’s not all that bad to write on it, but TUC pro camera bump looks more like 5-6mm?? I was hoping you could provide your take on this since in more detail. You did mention briefly about the wobbling in one of your videos, but didn't go into much detail, and I was hoping you could give me your advice as to whether the camera bump is really a deal-breaker for those wanting to use it without a case/cover. I would appreciate your honest perspective and insight on this as it would help me make an educated decision. Thanks for the great work and amazing content produced.
Fantastic review! This is exactly what I've been waiting for for this new model from Boox. Thank you a million for the detailed coverage. I am so impressed. Does anyone know if it's possible to use a USB-connected mechanical keyboard with either the Ultra C or Ultra C Pro? I use a topre-switch Happy Hacking Keyboard with the Supernote Nomad every day and would like a similar setup with a Boox tablet because of the Boox's larger screen. If anyone has experience using an external mechanical keyboard with these, please comment. Thanks! And thanks again to My Deep Guide for this incredibly thorough and enlightening review.
You can use any mechanical keyboard via USB hub or directly. It can even power the RGB lighting of the keyboard, if that is what you are after, but it will drain the device's battery more quickly.
So looking forward for the leaf 3c version being released next week! Have you get your hands on it yet? I wonder if it’s white case and color ereader. I also hope they made some improvements with the page up and down bottom too. Don’t know if this was asked before, is there any way to turn off the color option to just black and white for those day I just want It to be monochromatic? Thanks love , you are the best seriously the best reviewers of the readers now! I don’t watch the others anynore😂
@My Deep Guide - Voja, which one has better battery life - the Ultra C Pro, or the Note Air 3 C? (Assuming I only use them to read, not for productivity apps or internet?) Or do they have similar battery life because the Ultra C has a bigger battery despite its higher consumption? - Also, does battery life increase if you set the ereader to black-and-white mode? Thank you very much!
Hi, Voja So we have approximately one hour less battery life with keyboard case plugged in. Form that, can you measure battery life when using bluetooth keyboard? I am interested if there would be any difference.
I wish Kindle Colorsoft had the capability to control color and contrast I'm not exactly happy with my colorsoft tbh and I'm thinking about the bigger display of the Boox Tab ultra C Pro.
if you're going to compare the Tab Ultra C Pro and Note Air3 C, I think you have to compare them without the cost of the keyboard cover. For $150, you're getting a significantly faster processor AND a better pen. I have a Note Air3 C and it's very slow with OneNote and Kindle. I ordered a Tab Ultra C Pro hoping it will be better.
The typing latency looks much improved. Compared to my note air2+ . How is video ? Really want to see could i use it as an alternative to my laptop. My note air 2+ video lag and unable to differentiate colour makes watching video a challenge with many videos. Wondering how much improved it is with better cpu + colour.
Thank you for your detailed review. Concerning the color resolution is only 150 dpi, while the black and white resolution is 300 dpi, I'm curious to see how writing with a narrow colored pen (e.g., 1px thickness) would compare to writing with a black pen of the same thickness. In particular, I would like to see a magnified view of the written words to closely observe the details of the curvatures in your handwriting. I need to know if there any striping or pixelation effects visible in the colored words? Additionally, I was wondering if one could create a pen with a custom color, or are the color choices still limited to a predefined palette with a very limited number of colors? Could you please make a short video or post me back here? Thank you
Hi! I just received my Ultra Pro C E-ink and I noticed that the camera isn't working. When I open the snapdragon camera app it says "camera initialization failed" or "video failed" when I switch from photo to video. Do you have any idea why?
I bought one; but the battery just last 11hrs with wifi on and 2 apps running. I asked for a return at day 15. The customer service tried many things to deny the request. I had to file a purchase dispute with my credit company. The battery is bad.
Good video. I have a question related to hybrid document edition, I know it is possible to install Office on device, but is it possible to start editing a word document on pc and continue editing the same document on tablet with the pen with handwriting without any conversion? I take notes in class and I would like to continue editing that files on pc when I return home and do it seamlessly, edit rich documents like word using both input modes, handwriting and pc.
I didnt finsthe information. In heavy pdf how much the snapdragon is snapier and perform better than the Air 3C ? Especially when you show 8/16 pages in thumbail navigation Thanks voya for your work as usual, it s a masterpiece
A firmware update is need in Boox note taking app : 1. The ability to create table of contents like in superonte a5x and a6x 2. link star should be like supernote do you could know it is registered.
Is the "Blinkiness" when playing video which you mentioned in your tab ultra c review still present on this device as well? Or has the pro version fixed this problem?
I would also say (like the other commenter), that the comparison to your phone is flawed, but for a different reason. E-INK consumption is lower under an assumption that the screen is not refreshed often. IPS/OLED draw power to display the information. E-INK draws power to redraw the information. In other words, there’s no sensation in the fact that in the TH-cam test E-INK performs worse.
While what you say is factually correct (yes, the panel refresh protocols do function that way), that is also why the only relevant and equal test is actually playing video content, as this is the only state where an E-Ink screen would be forced to refresh all of the pixels at every frame, like a regular display panel does. Anything else is a biased test that has no basis for comparison.
Im wery happy with my KOBO GLO 6' which I bought 10 years ago but i think something about 10". I charge it onece in a week. 8h batery life is a joke and prize is very high, you can buy Samsung galaxy tablet which can stay 11h on batery for 1/3 this prize.
Hey! I've just bought my air 3c. It is great, but it would be really useful to use the offline version of google translate when readig texts. Unfortunately, I cannot find how it works. Can anybody help me?
Because of the E-ink screen and vastly superior writing performance and experience. And despite the "bad" battery life in extensive use, in normal use it still outlasts any of the LCD or OLED devices, because of the E-ink screen. That is, unless you are watching videos or browsing the net which has tons of animated content displayed on the screen. So for writing and reading needs, which is the primary use case of an e-ink tablet, this is still superior, including the battery life.
I use Perfect Viewer, for me is the best app for read comics. Is free and if you want to see pdfs you need to install the plugins, what are free too. For me is the best because is simple and very good. You can give a try 😎
I've had a Dasung 25.3 and was really awesome for word editing and reading, with very little lag for mouse and completely usable. So I wait for Voja Paperlike color review!
my new note 3c has tendencies to become very laggy, means i am tapping on screen nothing happens for seconds. its not the screen, its the device hanging. i dont know how i did that. in general really nice device. but that annoys me.
Be sure that the "AI" features in the reader and notebook are disabled and enable only those that you need, as that can speed up the responsiveness considerably.
Please check if we can type using Greek Polytonic. I must use all these fonts for ancient Greek, Hebrew, and other exotic languages. Do we have all the keyboards on our computers on this device? Thank you so much!
@@cameroncz3197Greek Polytonic is a special keyboard that allows you to write spirits, accents, and other things specific to ancient Greek texts. Exotic languages with exotic alphabets: Hebrew, Arabic, Russian, Slavonic, Latin with macrons and microns, etc.
@@hellenomousaion8736 I think it is the monotonic Greek. Could you advise me how to write some accents and other stuff that polytonic Greek has so I can try it? For exotic languages there are the ones you mention and plenty more.
@@cameroncz3197 Basically, on your computer, you install Greek Polytonic, and after, you are simply able to add all the accents and spirits you want to Greek letters, like this: α, ἀ, ἁ, ὰ, ἅ, etc. You add these extra signs by pressing the letter shift and the buttons next to the letters p, l, and m.
It is shame it has HOURS of battery in reading mode while it does almost NOTHING!!! I have almost same time for Galaxy Tab S7. My be Snapdragon CPU is not able to sleep properly ??? There should be special low power microcontrollers except main CPU which wakes CPU between pages in battery saving mode watching touchscreen, and system should consume power only for memory support and maybe have deep hibernation mode without power consumption if page/applications not turned too long.
This product is all it promises but they forgot to mention that the display is extremely fragile. It's so delicate that you can not take it anywhere because it might break in your bag. The worst thing is that if that happens Onyx is not taking any responsibility (display failure is categorically denied warranty) so you end up with a brick.
I made in-depth reviews of both devices and both videos have the same chapters, so you are more than welcome to watch and compare the things that interest you and that way you will easily see what the differences are between the two devices.
I would like to have voice record option somehow with the typing function so I wouldn't need to switch functions. You said "probably." If you find out please let us know. Thanks! Luv your reviews!!
The camera sucks and will never use it over my phones camera. It is really my only real complaint with the device, oh and covers are a problem, any magnet close to device is a problem it will drain your battery do to the sleep wake function cycling while in a bag
What about writting samples. The main main reason for E- ink is writting. All surrounds it. All others I get from Ipad. Ioad is must . The question is can I use Boox for writting instead of rewirtable 2. Boox can never be Ipad. It took apple many many years to becone what they are so this competition is doomed. Not even starting . Again is it precuse in writting and and do all the functions that supports writting ( shapes , straight lines , photos upload to a sheath , synch , mailing , sharing to a printer !!! ,micro SD card ..) work smoothly and with many options. This shoukd be a writting and a reading tool and sharing tool. It can't be a computer . For that we have Ipad ans Sumsung TAB and Lenovo Yoga. Writting is a lot and if it is very very very good writting experience with having the ability to type than might buy one of this company devices. Might be Air 3 c.. since the camera on the c ultra as viewed totally sucks. If tge writying ecperience is smooth and natural and a bit rounded as a natural hand writting then this might be very usable for studing and work instead of paper assuming the quality is transfered by printing onto paper. 😂😂😢😮😮😅😅😊😊😢😂😮😮😮 For all writting apps in apple Ipad once you print a note to a paper the quality is so bad so what's the point of having nice writtings on a tan or an Ipad or a notebook yet on a print paper very bad results . So printing experience is also very important ; The ability to directly share a print from a note book and get excelent results on a print paper like you actuslly wrote itbon the print paper with no quality lose.
Your comparison with your mobile phone is flawed. You would have to increase the size of the phone screen to over 11 inches to be able to do that. Or at least separate the power consumption from the screen and calculate it for the bigger size.
Nope, as the phone has a higher resolution than the TUC Pro, so it's updating more pixels, meaning doing more calculations, consuming more power. Size has absolutely nothing to do with system load, resolution directly does.
I commented that reading should be a better comparison, but you are right, your phone lasts longer on video than the TUC Pro with reading, so yes the comparison is valid
Bought Tab Ultra C Pro . Nothing is Pro about this thing. Writing experience is VERY BAD. Noteshelf 3 on Ipad is years a head ; better response , much better letancy , much better accuracy , much much better app. I use sensetivity on , 0.7 thicknes , fountain pen on the noteshelf 3 on my Ipad as a normal handwriting and the redults are much more precise and easier to write and much better print results then the Boox. You tube Vlogers don't tell you the all truth. The E ink devices sucks for writing. I was a fool to buy it. TRY BEFORE YOU BUY - BOTH IPAD PEN ON NOTESHELF 3 AND E- INK DEVICE AND SEE FOR YOUSELF !!!
Just a note on your battery life comparison between your phone and the Tab C Pro; the power required to full switch pixels in an eink screen can be from 1 to 8 mJ/cm whereas on an LCD screen it's 1/10 of that. The usual battery benefit from an eink screen is that it only uses power when it changes whereas an LCD uses power as long as it's displaying something. However, when watching dynamic content that's constantly changing an eink screen will use far more energy than an LCD screen because it's constantly doing a full switch of pixels and doing a full switch takes more power for eink. Add to that the fact that the screen on the Boox has far more square cm to switch than the screen on your phone, and it's easy to see why you were getting more battery life from your phone than the Boox when watching a video. It's an eink problem, not necessarily a Boox problem.
I am grateful for the time and effort you put into your videos! Looking forward to your deep guide on 3.5 update!
Yes, if he did the reading test on the phone, it could die before the tab, although I've seen some phones get 7 to 10 hours of screen-on time in reviews (depending on use, but with actually using the phone, not just viewing one document without touching the screen) so... go figure. I'm curious. Kind of suspect that in dark mode the phone has a winning chance!
Also, the pixel density on the phone is much higher so it consumes more energy per inch. I'd bet the backlight of the tab is more efficient too, but not an expert.
Interesting point.
Yes, this is all correct, and precisely because of the refresh protocol differences between panels, the only test that would give a point of comparison is the one that will force an e-ink panel in a constant state of refresh, like a regular display functions. And that happens to be video playback. Hence, the test :)
Excellent video as always, but despite the awful battery life I guess we loose track of what is the most important issue about using an e-ink device, and that is eye strain, so for the use case of people that work long hours in front of the screen that relief might be enough to sacrifice poor battery performance. Thanks again for the great work.
That is the main reason I bought Tab Ultra C Pro. I wanted to use it as a tablet (for note-taking I have reMarkable 2) for my studies. Just unboxing it and checking what this device is. I don't want regular tablet or laptop simply for their screen because my eyes are more sensitive to that stuff and it fatigue them quite a lot. It also have something to do with how the OLED and LCD feels to you and your brain or health. I think it has some negative aspect in it.
Agree. Have been using it for my master study. It's an excellent device for reading and marking lecture slides, reading reference books, plus taking notes with Obsidian. Most of the time I am using it in front of my desk with it plugged in to a power source, so battery life is not my concern.
@@whitestoatdoes it really cause no eye strain? I want to get one just because of that. But I’ve seen videos where people argue that e ink screens cause eye strain just like normal screens
@@abredolflincler1423 I suspect there be different causes of eye strain/types of strain? For example even reading a regular paper book in low light conditions causes eye strain. I think people who get eye strain from screen light are the ones who benefit from eink tablets? Or in my case, I've started developing motion sickness from any kind of moving lights (screens, light from discoballs), so I can stare at an e ink screen all day, but can't stand looking at my phone for more than a few minutes.
@@abredolflincler1423 It doesn't
I avoided looking at E-readers and E-notes reviews for a few years cause i cant stop wanting color e-ink despite my Onix Nova 2 Still remaining completly functional...
Now i started entertaining the idea again despite not seeing anything since note 4 or smth... got confused in all the model not sure what is what. Knew you got my back. Thank you as always ♡
Over 1 hour haha! You are crazy, but I'm happy people like you exist!
Great review thanks. I would disagree on one thing, you said, "the one thing you want from an e-ink tab is battery life" yeah that's great but I think for many people it's relief from eye-strain we are looking for.
Thanks for great content as always! Would really love to see a video on the recent update 3.5.!
I really appreciate your honesty and in-depth review. Truly helpful videos for me as a PhD student!
Thank you, mate! Thanks to your in-depth review, I didn't overpay and went for Air 3 C!
@@He_Who_Shapes can you turn the backlit off in air 3c?
You may not think that the camera belongs to this device, but in my opinion, you could have made an example of taking a photo and add it on a note, and show the way you can write on top of it, make markings, crops, etc. When producing a report that may need to add photos to increase its details, the camera is something that is very important, and adds a lot of value to these types of documents. Just an opinion. But very good review overall!
Excellent video like all your work. Thank you. You have helped me much to make right choice for me.
Thank you for this incredibly detailed review. As always you are balanced and thoughtful. You are the only e-ink device reviewer I 100% trust. This is a device I am very interested in, and the details you provided have been a huge help to me!
Nice presentation of the Tab Ultra C Pro as usual made by Voja. I own a Tab Ultra C since last spring, his video convinces me not to upgrade for three reasons: as I have near two thousand digital books and papers, in last march, I already needed a larger amount of memory space than on my old NoteAir. With Tab Ultra C. I have now 128 GB of storage space + SD card reader up to 2 TB like on the TUC Pro; battery of the TUC is better with 6300 mAh than on the TUC Pro, that gives me a very good battery life; the colour screen is important for me when I read colour graphics. So as Voja had said, since it's a product in an evolution curve, the improvement is not sufficiently great to change right now. But I agree that the NoteAir3 C, is a great product and maybe I would have bought it if it has been released 7 months ago... Indeed with its 128 GB of memory instead of 64 GB for the NoteAir3 C, the TUC would still stand last spring has a good alternative.
Same here, I wanted to write that if the NA3C was available last spring I would have preferred it to the TUC. But now owning the TUC I see no reason to sacrifice battery life by switching to the latest models. I will stick with my TUC till they improve the screen technology.
I had Boox Tab Ultra (BW) and love the device, crisp naturally lit screen with battery life of 5-7 days of propped use (24 hours) I got the tab ultra pro c and for similar use battery is sufficient for a workday (8-10 hours) for such devices, I don’t think battery should be compromised in that manner… the color screen is much darker than the BW which is reasonable at this stage on boox and similar devices… other than that it is a device I enjoy a lot for writing and reading compared to iPads
Finally a Tab Ultra that performs. Great choice with the CPU. It does seem like an unfinished product - the battery drain has to be fixed! I'm waiting for the next version, and hoping they will remove that camera bump.
It would be nice if they designed it where you could upgrade android when a newer version comes out
Pure features the tab ultra C pro is awesome, it seems to handle a few things I want to do seemingly better than the NAC3 (mostly reading, annotating, drafting, etc) but I would like to be able to do some applications that I know will run on the 855 versus wondering how much I'm giving up with the 665. I'm mostly IT and programming and most of the heavy lifting will be done on another device but being able to have a smooth connection would be all but guaranteed on the Ultra Tab, but at that price point it costs more than my phone that I do try to do everything on. (S23) I don't expect it to do everything with the product it is, but it makes the price point a lot harder to swallow if you don't know for sure you need the extra oomph. I think this will be the push to go for the Air C 3 and just try and do all I can on it and go from there. If the tab and the keyboard together were at the Tab Ultra C's 650 USD price point (or to push my luck, 550-600), it would be a no brainer I think for anyone looking for the versatility and productivity.
Great video! Disagree on the focus on battery life, since e-ink is mostly to reduce eye strain for me, and the keyboard is a huge selling point (I use my ReMarkable 2 keyboard almost every day). Leaning towards this device after watching 4 or 5 of your reviews. Thanks for all the details!
I have 12h workdays (max), i'm not using the tablet all the time and I can charge on the go.. And charge at night... no problem. Battery life is not that big an issue, as long as you can make it till the end of the day...
Thank you, Voja. Excellent review again. And finally you commented on reading comics. But did you try reading in Regal mode? (with animation filter time set to 400 at least) It gives you perfect colours without any ghosting, but at the cost of speed. Balanced mode in my opinion has still plenty of ghosting, especially if the comic uses a lot of dark colours.
Btw one day I would like you to explain, why you hate OneNote so much. I think Boox makes an excellent job, implementing it in their system. Meanwhile it's really usable. And a lot of people use OneNote, so I think that's a big pro for Boox devices.
Thanks for the review, no reason to upgrade for me from the Tab Ultra C, since scrolling is the same and battery drain higher.
1:03:41 Acceleration of objects in Earth's gravity field does not depend on the mass and is constant, approximately 9,81m/s².
True, but the impact force does directly depend on mass.
Love the review. Really helps me way the pros and cons! You cannot get your tutorial on 3.5 done fast enough! I use my NA3C everyday at work and I would really like to know I am doing things efficiently and effectively. Also, question: now that the NA3C is out, is your Supernote still your daily driver?
I use them both. Supernote for work related designing and writing, where I need the Titles and the intricate linking functionality, and also, just the raw stability and confidence of the Supernote as a system.
NA3C is for everything else that is not Computer related, including journaling, etc.
@@MyDeepGuide Thank goodness! That was actually what I was hoping you would say. I thought I might be a bit nuts because I actually have the need for more than one device because I have multiple needs when it comes to applying eink technology to my life and my career. That’s incredibly helpful Voja. Really, thank you!
Hi Voji, I want to ask you advide - I have the NA3C for less than a month and I love it. However as I need to have 2 to 3 very large college ebooks opened plus the note writing app, I found the device gets quite slow and sluggish. I used the cpu-z app to understand how much ram it was using with those apps and e-books loaded in memory and out of the 4gb I had only 0.8gb left of available ram; so me not being an expert in hardware/system performance, I inferred low ram being the main issue for the slowness. Hence, I am willing to return my na3c and get the tab ultra c pro assuming the performance would improve for my use case by having the extra 2gb ram and slight faster processor. Here is my question: how bad is it to take notes on the TUC pro on a flat surface without a case? I know it sounds crazy but I must use the device without a case/cover (medical/physical limiation reasons). But having read about the wobbling created by the camera bump, I wonder how bad this really is? Can you simply get used to taking notes with the wobbling or is it just too annoying and distracting, cumbersome to the point where the only alternative is to have a cover? Can the wobbling be overcome by simply getting used to it or another workaround, or is the design makes writing on a flat surface simply impractical? My iPad has a camera and it’s about +-2.5mm high and it’s not all that bad to write on it, but TUC pro camera bump looks more like 5-6mm?? I was hoping you could provide your take on this since in more detail. You did mention briefly about the wobbling in one of your videos, but didn't go into much detail, and I was hoping you could give me your advice as to whether the camera bump is really a deal-breaker for those wanting to use it without a case/cover. I would appreciate your honest perspective and insight on this as it would help me make an educated decision. Thanks for the great work and amazing content produced.
Fantastic review! This is exactly what I've been waiting for for this new model from Boox. Thank you a million for the detailed coverage. I am so impressed. Does anyone know if it's possible to use a USB-connected mechanical keyboard with either the Ultra C or Ultra C Pro? I use a topre-switch Happy Hacking Keyboard with the Supernote Nomad every day and would like a similar setup with a Boox tablet because of the Boox's larger screen. If anyone has experience using an external mechanical keyboard with these, please comment. Thanks! And thanks again to My Deep Guide for this incredibly thorough and enlightening review.
You can use any mechanical keyboard via USB hub or directly. It can even power the RGB lighting of the keyboard, if that is what you are after, but it will drain the device's battery more quickly.
@@MyDeepGuide Thank you so much for the answer. This clarifies everything. The screen on the Boox is stunning!
So looking forward for the leaf 3c version being released next week! Have you get your hands on it yet? I wonder if it’s white case and color ereader. I also hope they made some improvements with the page up and down bottom too. Don’t know if this was asked before, is there any way to turn off the color option to just black and white for those day I just want It to be monochromatic? Thanks love , you are the best seriously the best reviewers of the readers now! I don’t watch the others anynore😂
@My Deep Guide - Voja, which one has better battery life - the Ultra C Pro, or the Note Air 3 C? (Assuming I only use them to read, not for productivity apps or internet?)
Or do they have similar battery life because the Ultra C has a bigger battery despite its higher consumption?
- Also, does battery life increase if you set the ereader to black-and-white mode?
Thank you very much!
the ordinary cover when used as a stand always falls down. Almost broke my tab ultra c pro.
I have found the same with my Tab Ultra C.
Hi, Voja
So we have approximately one hour less battery life with keyboard case plugged in. Form that, can you measure battery life when using bluetooth keyboard? I am interested if there would be any difference.
Love the dark screen color compared to the supernote.
I wish Kindle Colorsoft had the capability to control color and contrast I'm not exactly happy with my colorsoft tbh and I'm thinking about the bigger display of the Boox Tab ultra C Pro.
if you're going to compare the Tab Ultra C Pro and Note Air3 C, I think you have to compare them without the cost of the keyboard cover. For $150, you're getting a significantly faster processor AND a better pen. I have a Note Air3 C and it's very slow with OneNote and Kindle. I ordered a Tab Ultra C Pro hoping it will be better.
The typing latency looks much improved. Compared to my note air2+ . How is video ? Really want to see could i use it as an alternative to my laptop. My note air 2+ video lag and unable to differentiate colour makes watching video a challenge with many videos. Wondering how much improved it is with better cpu + colour.
Thank you for your detailed review. Concerning the color resolution is only 150 dpi, while the black and white resolution is 300 dpi, I'm curious to see how writing with a narrow colored pen (e.g., 1px thickness) would compare to writing with a black pen of the same thickness. In particular, I would like to see a magnified view of the written words to closely observe the details of the curvatures in your handwriting. I need to know if there any striping or pixelation effects visible in the colored words? Additionally, I was wondering if one could create a pen with a custom color, or are the color choices still limited to a predefined palette with a very limited number of colors? Could you please make a short video or post me back here? Thank you
Hi! I just received my Ultra Pro C E-ink and I noticed that the camera isn't working. When I open the snapdragon camera app it says "camera initialization failed" or "video failed" when I switch from photo to video. Do you have any idea why?
I bought one; but the battery just last 11hrs with wifi on and 2 apps running. I asked for a return at day 15. The customer service tried many things to deny the request. I had to file a purchase dispute with my credit company. The battery is bad.
Yes, as clearly covered and stated in the video.
Good video. I have a question related to hybrid document edition, I know it is possible to install Office on device, but is it possible to start editing a word document on pc and continue editing the same document on tablet with the pen with handwriting without any conversion?
I take notes in class and I would like to continue editing that files on pc when I return home and do it seamlessly, edit rich documents like word using both input modes, handwriting and pc.
I didnt finsthe information.
In heavy pdf how much the snapdragon is snapier and perform better than the Air 3C ? Especially when you show 8/16 pages in thumbail navigation
Thanks voya for your work as usual, it s a masterpiece
Thank you for watching. For such use case scenario, the performance difference is marginal to imperceptible.
A firmware update is need in Boox note taking app :
1. The ability to create table of contents like in superonte a5x and a6x
2. link star should be like supernote do you could know it is registered.
Will you recommend watching video on that device?
I'm waiting on the next pro line tablet. Then it would be a better fit for me.
Is the "Blinkiness" when playing video which you mentioned in your tab ultra c review still present on this device as well? Or has the pro version fixed this problem?
It has been remedied by software implementation for all of the BSR enabled devices, as you now have the anti-flicker setting.
I would also say (like the other commenter), that the comparison to your phone is flawed, but for a different reason. E-INK consumption is lower under an assumption that the screen is not refreshed often. IPS/OLED draw power to display the information. E-INK draws power to redraw the information. In other words, there’s no sensation in the fact that in the TH-cam test E-INK performs worse.
While what you say is factually correct (yes, the panel refresh protocols do function that way), that is also why the only relevant and equal test is actually playing video content, as this is the only state where an E-Ink screen would be forced to refresh all of the pixels at every frame, like a regular display panel does. Anything else is a biased test that has no basis for comparison.
Im wery happy with my KOBO GLO 6' which I bought 10 years ago but i think something about 10". I charge it onece in a week. 8h batery life is a joke and prize is very high, you can buy Samsung galaxy tablet which can stay 11h on batery for 1/3 this prize.
Hey! I've just bought my air 3c. It is great, but it would be really useful to use the offline version of google translate when readig texts. Unfortunately, I cannot find how it works.
Can anybody help me?
There is a App called Microsoft Lens - PDF Scanner how it's compared to the one from boox?
Hi,
do you think it is possible to install VScode on it & use it?!
Must be possible, if it using android 12.
Thx
Blunt question : with this kind of abysmal battery life, weight, etc. why use this vs. iPad or Samsung Tab S9?
Because of the E-ink screen and vastly superior writing performance and experience. And despite the "bad" battery life in extensive use, in normal use it still outlasts any of the LCD or OLED devices, because of the E-ink screen. That is, unless you are watching videos or browsing the net which has tons of animated content displayed on the screen.
So for writing and reading needs, which is the primary use case of an e-ink tablet, this is still superior, including the battery life.
Which reader / source format do you use to read comics panel by panel as seen at 26:10 ?
Kindle App.
E-ink monitors urgently need a Frontlight like this
Hi! Which app do you use for comics? The one you show on 0:25:29
Kindle reader.
I use Perfect Viewer, for me is the best app for read comics. Is free and if you want to see pdfs you need to install the plugins, what are free too. For me is the best because is simple and very good. You can give a try 😎
I am waiting review of e-ink monitor
I've had a Dasung 25.3 and was really awesome for word editing and reading, with very little lag for mouse and completely usable. So I wait for Voja Paperlike color review!
my new note 3c has tendencies to become very laggy, means i am tapping on screen nothing happens for seconds. its not the screen, its the device hanging. i dont know how i did that.
in general really nice device. but that annoys me.
Be sure that the "AI" features in the reader and notebook are disabled and enable only those that you need, as that can speed up the responsiveness considerably.
can we write on kindle books? You missed that important part
No I didn't, as that is not something that the Kindle app supports or has ever supported.
What is the best memory card for this unit
Please check if we can type using Greek Polytonic. I must use all these fonts for ancient Greek, Hebrew, and other exotic languages. Do we have all the keyboards on our computers on this device? Thank you so much!
It have some Greek, Hebrew and some other layouts. I don't know what you fully mean with exotic languages and if the Greek is platonic.
@@cameroncz3197Greek Polytonic is a special keyboard that allows you to write spirits, accents, and other things specific to ancient Greek texts. Exotic languages with exotic alphabets: Hebrew, Arabic, Russian, Slavonic, Latin with macrons and microns, etc.
@@hellenomousaion8736 I think it is the monotonic Greek. Could you advise me how to write some accents and other stuff that polytonic Greek has so I can try it?
For exotic languages there are the ones you mention and plenty more.
@@cameroncz3197 Basically, on your computer, you install Greek Polytonic, and after, you are simply able to add all the accents and spirits you want to Greek letters, like this: α, ἀ, ἁ, ὰ, ἅ, etc. You add these extra signs by pressing the letter shift and the buttons next to the letters p, l, and m.
Has anyone had success rooting this device?
It is shame it has HOURS of battery in reading mode while it does almost NOTHING!!! I have almost same time for Galaxy Tab S7. My be Snapdragon CPU is not able to sleep properly ??? There should be special low power microcontrollers except main CPU which wakes CPU between pages in battery saving mode watching touchscreen, and system should consume power only for memory support and maybe have deep hibernation mode without power consumption if page/applications not turned too long.
This product is all it promises but they forgot to mention that the display is extremely fragile. It's so delicate that you can not take it anywhere because it might break in your bag. The worst thing is that if that happens Onyx is not taking any responsibility (display failure is categorically denied warranty) so you end up with a brick.
what's the diff vs note 3 besides being faster? is the writing feel better?
I made in-depth reviews of both devices and both videos have the same chapters, so you are more than welcome to watch and compare the things that interest you and that way you will easily see what the differences are between the two devices.
2:40 It is not a 100ppi color screen, but 150ppi
That is correct, I believe I said it correctly in the Screen section of the video.
Can you Type and Record at the same time?
Record what? Screen record, yes. Voice record, probably, but I haven't tried.
I would like to have voice record option somehow with the typing function so I wouldn't need to switch functions. You said "probably." If you find out please let us know. Thanks! Luv your reviews!!
The camera sucks and will never use it over my phones camera. It is really my only real complaint with the device, oh and covers are a problem, any magnet close to device is a problem it will drain your battery do to the sleep wake function cycling while in a bag
What about writting samples. The main main reason for E- ink is writting. All surrounds it. All others I get from Ipad. Ioad is must .
The question is can I use Boox for writting instead of rewirtable 2.
Boox can never be Ipad. It took apple many many years to becone what they are so this competition is doomed. Not even starting .
Again is it precuse in writting and and do all the functions that supports writting ( shapes , straight lines , photos upload to a sheath , synch , mailing , sharing to a printer !!! ,micro SD card ..) work smoothly and with many options.
This shoukd be a writting and a reading tool and sharing tool.
It can't be a computer . For that we have Ipad ans Sumsung TAB and Lenovo Yoga.
Writting is a lot and if it is very very very good writting experience with having the ability to type than might buy one of this company devices. Might be Air 3 c.. since the camera on the c ultra as viewed totally sucks.
If tge writying ecperience is smooth and natural and a bit rounded as a natural hand writting then this might be very usable for studing and work instead of paper assuming the quality is transfered by printing onto paper.
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For all writting apps in apple Ipad once you print a note to a paper the quality is so bad so what's the point of having nice writtings on a tan or an Ipad or a notebook yet on a print paper very bad results . So printing experience is also very important ; The ability to directly share a print from a note book and get excelent results on a print paper like you actuslly wrote itbon the print paper with no quality lose.
I prefer the lighter and cheaper Air 3C and just replace my device sooner.
Your comparison with your mobile phone is flawed. You would have to increase the size of the phone screen to over 11 inches to be able to do that. Or at least separate the power consumption from the screen and calculate it for the bigger size.
Nope, as the phone has a higher resolution than the TUC Pro, so it's updating more pixels, meaning doing more calculations, consuming more power. Size has absolutely nothing to do with system load, resolution directly does.
I commented that reading should be a better comparison, but you are right, your phone lasts longer on video than the TUC Pro with reading, so yes the comparison is valid
So it's not real e-ink if you're only getting a few hours screen on time
Bought Tab Ultra C Pro . Nothing is Pro about this thing. Writing experience is VERY BAD. Noteshelf 3 on Ipad is years a head ; better response , much better letancy , much better accuracy , much much better app.
I use sensetivity on , 0.7 thicknes , fountain pen on the noteshelf 3 on my Ipad as a normal handwriting and the redults are much more precise and easier to write and much better print results then the Boox.
You tube Vlogers don't tell you the all truth. The E ink devices sucks for writing.
I was a fool to buy it.
TRY BEFORE YOU BUY - BOTH IPAD PEN ON NOTESHELF 3 AND E- INK DEVICE AND SEE FOR YOUSELF !!!
Video spent too much time reviewing the hardware itself , would be even more helpful more insight into the software etc