Boox Update 3.5 Overview and a Look Back at the 2023, and forward to 2024
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00:00 Intro
02:01 Update 3.5: Smart Scribe
06:17 Update 3.5: Color Fill
07:35 Update 3.5: Lasso Eraser
08:25 Update 3.5: Addng Blank Pages in PDFs
11:51 Update 3.5: AI Read
14:35 Update 3.5: Adjustable Split Screen
15:18 Update 3.5: Mouse Scrolling in PDFs
16:19 Update 3.5: Linking Improvements
19:07 Update 3.5: Smart Scribe in Notebooks
21:37 Update 3.5: Free Lasso
22:21 Update 3.5: Calendar Screensaver
22:32 Update 3.5: Custom System Fonts
23:47 Update 3.5: Mouse Settings
25:03 Boox in 2023: Software
28:44 Boox in 2023: Hardware
29:26 Boox in 2023: Summary
35:27 Complicated Doesn't Mean Distracting
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Update 3.5 has been out for a while now for quite a few Boox devices, and it is a meaningful update that brings valuable new tools and functionalities to the platform. So, in this video, we check out the new features of Boox OS 3.5, but we also take a look back at the year 2023 and what Boox was up to during this year.
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Clarification: Adjustable split-screen functionality is apparently only available on the newer Android 12 models, not on the older models.
I don't even want to know what sort of #ifdef hell these poor guys are in.
Yeah, Android 9, Android 10, Android 11, Android 11 Tab, Android 12, Android 12 Tab. And also if it is note taking capable or not, for each of the variations.
Thanks Voja! I bought a Note Air 3C and I'm very happy with it. The reviews you did on the different notebooks helped me a lot in my decision making process. Keep on the good work!
Also just a note on your 'distraction free' comments. Of course, you are right in what you're saying, but mostly when people are talking about distraction they are referring to impulse control, rather than notifications. For many, having the ability to browse the internet, or open apps, is a distraction, the option in itself creating a mental distraction to procrastinate. It requires a level of self control that is in itself a distraction away from deeper work and focus. And for many, the only way to quiet the internal noise is to not have it available in the first place.
I think that building skills of impulse control and denying instant gratification are very important skills for any adult.
I do understand what you are saying and I totally agree. If a person is unable or unwilling to deny themselves instant gratification and have impulse control, then definitely these things are all valid and they should be taken into consideration.
@@MyDeepGuide, I put in a more detailed response as an overall comment, but have to talk about impulse control and being an adult. I agree with you that these are valuable skills when we are talking about instant gratification. However, in some cases, this is not what is going on. A good example from my personal case would be the Samsung Fold. I got it because I thought it would make me more productive. However, I eventually dropped back to the S23 because I found that everything from the specialized apps to the fold itself (the actual tactile experience) was just a distraction. Now my phone, PC, and Supernote, serve specific purposes. Making a conscious choice to simplify your devices is a form of impulse control, would you agree?
As I said, I totally agree, because there are aspects that for individual reasons we either can't or don't want to ignore, but will negatively affect the impulse control.
At that point, a person needs to try or decide, either change something to eliminate that aspect, or see if it's worth it to overcome it.
From that standpoint, I will be changing my daily smartphone from my super versatile workhorse that I've had for now over 4.5 years, OnePlus 7 Pro, to a super small Android 12 phone. The idea is to make it physically impractical for me to respond to emails and comments on my smartphone device (due to the screen size). I have a problem that because the "support" part of my job is always in my pocket and always at disposal, I am never actually off work. And this is something I want to change.
So I totally get it and agree :)
what I do miss in your reviews is the look to the eco system - how to transfer files from/to the device? (Computer, Web, Mobile) - how to access the content while on the road without the device, e.g. accessing notes using the smart phone? does this work good and reliable? or do I have always to take the tablet with me? would be very interesting for me :-) thank you for your great work here!
Adding a page to a pdf is a game changer. One of the reasons I bought a Tab X was for the split screen when I am doing exercises when learning a language. It's great I can just do it on one screen now by adding a new page. Still happy I got the Tab X, though. Can't beat that real estate! 😉
YES! Thank you for specifically calling out the absurd functionality of copy and paste with the lasso tool! I finally had to go to the Reddit forum to get that one answered (and yes, the use case was using your fabulous MDO to copy and paste material from one page to the next).
Thanks Voja for the super useful video. Of all the new features that you described, the most eye opener for me was actually an old feature that you mentioned in a side rant at the end of the video, lol. Without you mentioning it here, I would not have known that you actually can copy past notes from pdfs! I was missing that feature so hard when working with your mdo on the note air 2+ and finally know that it is actually there but just super hidden! Thanks for sharing:)
Thanks for your very informative videos on these products, particularly the Note Air 3-C, as well as your useful templates for us to download and use.
Thank you very much for your generosity :)
Thanks for your work as always, Voja!
Great content as always, thank you.
Really great video and overview, as always, thank you!
Thank you for the great piece 🤗again!!!
So in love with this update 🥰🥰🥰🥰
I absolutly love the new smart shapes + strikethrough eraser.
Just two little things I would like to mention
1. As you kinda fingured out yourself throughout the video, shapes created with shape perfection (and normal shapes) can be deleted with strikethrough erase. You have to strikethrough the whole lengt of a line not just the middle part of it.
2. Unfortunately the adjustable splitview is only available on the newly released products. TU, TUC, NA2 (+) and older devices sadly don't have this function.
These are some great upgrades in the software. Thanks for giving us the overview, Voja!
Great video, full of useful info. I'm using a Note Air 2+ and I'm very happy with it. How do we know what version software we're running? Are these updates automatic? Thanks, for your help. I'm still getting accustomed to Android. LOL
What a pleasant surprise this morning! This is the video I have been waiting for. Time to put on the coffee and check it out. One of the few channels I can like the video without having seen it yet and know I'm not wrong😊
Let's see if Tab Mini C in 2024 adds a card slot. Great year review.
Oi. Eu sou do Brasil. Excelente vídeo!!! Muito obrigado!!!!
It's comforting listening to you saying that "they ruined the control thing"! I have this device since 2020 and I thought I had became dumb...Because from a certain point after updates...I became incapable of managing it...Terrible palm rejection, two different floating toolbars and one of them not detecting the pen...It's a pity, because in my opinion the Nova replicates my true handwriting much better than other devices like, say, reMarkable...I even considered reverting it to the factory state...We'll see if with this update (I still have 3.3.2) some improving happens. One question...Do the other Boox devices have the same issues? I figure they don't. Thank you for your videos, they are the best in this matters.
29:10 They've already released Note air 3 as well (B&W) so 8 now 😅
Great video as usual, thanks
Hi Voja! Great video(s)! Thanks to you I bought a Max Lumi 2 at the end of 2022 and started combining it with your MDO 2022 and 2023. Had to overcome the copying aswel.. Anyways, I'm on the edge of buying your MDO 2023 and MMP! I haven't updated from 3.2.3 or 3.3.2 (because of the hyperlink problem) and I am wondering if you know if this 3.5 updated makes it possible for hyperlinking from PDF's (your MDO) to Notes? In the older Software version it is possible to link to documents, and I saw in one of the Boox Official Tutorials from one month ago that it is now possible to link to notes. Unfortunately hyperlinking in the older software model is only possible for actual words in the PDF document and not for scribbles or line/forms. If this was possible you really got a great powerhouse combination of your MDO and MMP being able to link to notes! So wondering if you have any intel on this or are willing to try this out?
When I say distraction free, I mean, it doesn’t have the option to be distracting. Boox is natively a distracting environment as a multimedia device. The point is each person needs to understand what they really mean by wanting a distraction free environment. Because if you really want to be distraction free you’re going to have to give up a lot of flexibility with different tasks. So before buying any of these devices, take the time to write out what you’re wanting and then describe what you mean by what you wrote.
Totally agree, and a good point :)
It can be as distraction free as you would like. You are correct though, the UI can be a distraction because as Voja pointed out the stupidly long learning curve. That said, I just bought the NA3 Black & White for my son who will be going to college in a year. He will need a year to learn how the thing works before he can maximize its use ( Love the recorder with notes)
Editing pages in a PDF:
It's quite funny, you can only add blank pages to a pdf and move them around. BUT when you open a PDF of a exported note, then the pages are with template and can be copied, moved, whatever.
Curious, but worth knowing. ;)
I totaly agree, that they should focus more on improving the current state of the software.
The performance of scrolling and pinch to zoom needs to be improved a lot (even e-ink unoptimized notetaking apps perform better in this regard).
And as you already mentioned problems with the lasso selected content that you want to copy or move to different pages or layer is just super clunky. It bothers me soo much that you cant scroll a note page or pinch to zoom while content is selected😠
so, after testing the 3C for almost 8 weeks, today I decided to switch back to the reMarkable 2. FOR ME, it feels better, is thinner, lighter, much easier to use (I do like the unified usage of ebooks, PDFs and Notebooks, one folder, almost identical tools for all of these filetypes) - the 3C is a powerhouse, for those use cases I do prefer my iPad - the RM2 is my "digital paper" - I do like it, I love to use it, while the 3C is "just another tablet". No question, the 3C is an impressive pice of hardware, but, as an eInk device as a paper replacement much to cumbersome to use.
Hello Voja. As usual, your videos are very helpful and informative. Thank you for the value you provide. I was wondering if there are any news/rumors about 13" colored devices. Can we expect anything like max lumi c or tab ultra c any time soon? Thanks
Thank you for watching :) Not to my knowledge.
Oh, thank you so much.
I have the NA2+ for over a year and still sometimes don't know how it works.
I thought that tilt support was in this update, but... no? Only the Android 12 devices have it?
The biggest thing missing from this video is that they changed the front light adjustment to brightness and color temperature which not only makes much much more sense than before but they've also adjusted how granular the adjustment can be. I have Nova Air 2 and previously the lowest brightness settings was still pretty bright but after this update finally the display dims much more in brightness on the lowest setting, this was one of my biggest gripes with the device and im glad it was fixed
Very good point, and thank you for raising it, as I 100% agree as that was also something that I was asking for and waiting for, for a very long time. The reason I missed it was that it was not listed in the Release Notes, and I completely forgot about it being introduced here, as it was partially introduced in earlier versions of TAB OS as well, so it was a bit of a mess. But definitely a very important point, so thanks! :)
I think with the links, when you erased the handwritten part, it did actually remove the text part, but it was just still visible, like it did it in multiple parts and didn't fully refresh? Because the top of the box on the last one was missing. But maybe not.
The AI Read is nothing more than funny. We tried it with a PHD Thesis of a friend and had a lot of fun with the results. Nothing which is close to being useful for scientific content. But we had a funny and nice evening with the tool and a beer 😅
Yeah, after filming the video I tried it some more, it's pretty much completely useless for anything remotely serious, but it is hilarious :)
Interesting , I do not have this "Import Font" on my Mini C, is it possible that this is only available on Android 12 devices? About the scribe through eraser, it works much better if your lines are very close, if they are far away like in your demonstration, sometimes it thinks it is just another (and possible just very ugly :D ) handwriting. Btw I turned it of because I have a Lamy Al-star with an eraser button, and most importantly it fails sometimes and it erases some text I would not like to, for example, when I would like to just correct a letter quickly, and instead of just writing over it, it is gone...
Thanks for all your vidéo that guide me for my first onyx boox air 2,two years ago.
I Saw that a boox air 3 (B&W) IS comming .
Maybe a good compromise to the air 3 c battery problem .
Will you do a test of the Onyx boox air 3 ?
Mery Xmas
Thank you again, Voja, for a helpful summary of 2023 for Boox! I agree with you that the Palma is a highly interesting device, and I would have considered it if it had an EMR layer.
I also love your reminder that Boox can be as distraction-free as others. Though I guess, depending on the person, simplified and distraction free are not always exclusive. If I simply can't find a "copy" where I'd expect it and need a few more clicks than necessary, this may distract me from my work flow somewhat. But then again, I am an Android person, I thrive on complexity ;-)
I'm happy to have received the 3.5 on my Note Air 1, as those new handwriting features are amazing. I miss the Note Air when I'm on my Supernote, but their digest, starring and TOC facilities are still more important to me for writing. I wished Boox would implement those elegantly.
That reminds me, are you getting the FeelWrite 2 for your A5X? The EU store has it right now. Would love to watch your review.
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience and view :) That's a good idea, I'll see if that's something I might do, regarding the FW2.
Useful overview video. Can you show us your color settings like dark enhancement, vividness in the eink center. I noticed your colors look better than what I have on my Air 3C. Thanks
They vary from app to app. I invite you to explore the app optimization options and fine tune them to your liking, it's worth it.
Will you be reviewing the monochrome version of the new release? I realise it doesn't have the 300dpi, but it still has a quality screen, is the Carta 1200 enough to compensate for the lower dpi?. I figure without the refresh rate this will positively impact battery, but by how much I have no idea. I am stuck between the monochrome and waiting for the large Supernote.
I think that you can safely assume that the battery life will strongly resemble the battery life of the Note Air 2+. As for reviewing it, I need to check with Boox if they can send me a review loan unit, and if yes, then I will.
Also: 51,000 🎉🎉🎉
52.000+ as of today! ⛄🌞
Are there issues with recognising text in the background? I have this switched on but it does not seem to work at all.
Looks nice. One question on cartoons... are the providers of *classic* cartoons, like TinTin, Ricochet, etc. In case I want to relax from reading science books + commenting on pdf files...
Thank you very much for your videos. I have a very small bright dot on my Air 3 C screen, and I’m debating whether to return it for an exchange. Does your unit have anything similar?
Yes, and you can see it (barely) in my In-depth Review of the Note Air 3C. But on mine it's Uber tiny and in a place where I literally can't see it in my normal use. So it's as if I don't even have it, because I can only find it if I spend effort and put the device into a specific set of conditions. In normal conditions it's completely invisible.
@@MyDeepGuide thank you for the reply. I’m still considering whether to return it. Mine is just to the left of centre and very small. It does draw the eye sometimes, though.
My Nova 3 (september 2019 i guess) just recieve the update) 👍
remarkable 2 is even more distraction free it doesnt even have audio 😁😁
I have tried the remarkable 2 and the boox note 3c. They are great if you absolutely need e ink. However in my work case, the ipad 11 is the best. The note 3c had a very nice writing feel in the start, but after a few days, the friction on the screen was gone. If you want another note 3c Vaja, You can have mine for cheap. And I live in Norway :)
Heyy I live in Switzerland. Would you maybe sell it to me 😅. I am starting my second study in UZH next year... Well in 3 months and I always have wanting something like this. But those prices are to much for me. It would help me alot. 😊
I have got NA3C with sw 3.5. 'Automatically recognize in the background' is switched on. Finding a 7-letter word in 11 handwritten notes takes 37 seconds. Each note has a maximum of 10 words. It feels like every search involves the recognition process all over again.
If you want to find some text in your work handwritten notes at least a week in advance, this tool is not for you. Unusable. But the developers promised to improve the search in feedback. I'm waiting for an update while I'm writing in a paper notebook; it's much faster to look through it with my eyes, just flipping the pages.
Is there an issue with recognising text in the background on V3.5 and Boox Note Air 3C? It simply doesn't work on mine.
9:29 It looks like there is a template option here , one icon down and one left of the tip of the pen 🙂
Nope, those are "Translate" and " Text Notes" icons.
Voja: Have you noticed that the Smart AI text recognition on the Tab Ultra C Pro is slower than on the Note Air 1? Very strange.
I didn't have a chance to compare them side by side, so no.
@@MyDeepGuide OK - double checked and seems to be consistently slower. Very hard to explain!
I was really hoping for a B&W version of the Air 3C but, a couple of weeks ago, the Boox TH-cam channel posted a video summarizing all the products they introduced in 2023. Based on this, it seemed highly unlikely they would release any more products this year. So, I decided to bite the bullet and buy a new-in-box Air2 Plus from a seller on eBay. No sooner did I make my purchase, Onyx makes a surprise announcement for the new Air 3. WTF? I would have loved to have the SD card slot and fingerprint reader as well as the faster processor but, alas, the seller doesn’t accept returns so I’m stuck with my purchase. Also, I am surprised of it not getting a 300 dpi display or why it weighs *more* than the color version.
Yes, that was a surprise for everyone as they have actually released (kinda quietly) earlier this week a monochromatic version of the NA3, but it doesn't have the BSR (good for battery life, bad for refresh performance), but most importantly, it doesn't have a 300ppi screen, so it's 227 ppi. The rest is the same as NA3C.
shop.boox.com/products/noteair3
I'm still on my Note Air 1, which I'm still fine with. Maybe if the Note Air 3 had received 300 ppi AND Android 13, then I might have thought of upgrading. I'll wait until later next year.
Smart choice :) If I hadn't been duped into getting the Tab Ultra and selling my NA1, I would probably still keep and use it. As such, I sold the Tab Ultra and got the NA3C, which I really love for the performance, BSR, the paper like writing surface, writing latency, and the 300 ppi. I'm not thrilled with the battery life, but it is more than capable of deling with hard work days, so that works ok for me and my needs.
@@MyDeepGuide Are you going to do a full review of NA3C? I am also deciding between getting NA3C vs waiting for a new 13.3 inch device, as my main need is reading academic papers in PDF form. Do you have any suggestions? I need to synchronize PDFs with computer via Zotero, so I also wonder if Boox device is able to do that?
When there is a new boox update, do all the old devices receive it as well? Or there is a cut off period/age? Thanks a lot for another amazing review Voja.
Officially, I think it's 3 years, but so far even older devices continued receiving the updates.
I have the original Note Air and I just received the update today 😀
Thank you both. Last question is should we always update? I am thinking about apple devices... slower, with increased power consumption as we update them.
Wishlist for 2024: A unified, easier UX/UI.
I could live without any new device, no need for micro updates...
I just tried 3.5 and the AI features do not work on my old Boox Lumi. I suspect the hardware may not be able to handle it, but they should have disabled that feature for these devices.
Update: I tried again and it works now. So my earlier problem could be a glitch, but it does not make me feel good. It is not something I can rely on, yet.
Boox software is not complicated, it is just extensive. You learn the pieces that are important to you and you ignore the rest until you need it. It's not unlike many other software products. You grow into it over time, but it is easy to start using with minimal effort.
That is not exactly true. The unintuitive aspect of Boox UI is a big problem, and unlike with other platforms, once learned knowledge doesn't necessarily stick, nor does it logically apply to different situations or tasks..
To make things worse, there are fundamental differences between the Tab and regular OS versions, so if a user has 2 devices, one with each OS type, the features and the knowledge do not directly apply, as even fundamental things, such as screen timeout settings will be in entirely different places.
And finally, by the time the user does indeed get to learn how to be comfortable with the Boox, it is very likely that the new update will randomly change things to be either more or less intuitive.
It's one of the biggest flaws of any Boox device, but the sheer versatility and functionality the devices offer makes it worthwhile to deal with that hindrance.
@@MyDeepGuide I have 4 Boox devices varying generations and types, and I haven't had any problems moving between them. There are some UI differences for sure, but that is easily accommodated as with any new device. I would draw a parallel between Boox software and MS Office software. Both are extensive, there is a learning curve, most never learn all, but one does learn to work effectively with the pieces needed, and as the need expands, so does competence. I do agree that consistency between devices is preferred, but I suspect that there is a reason for the differences. Ultimately, everyone will have a personalized experience, but I see nothing with Boox OS that creates an entry barrier or should discourage anyone from having multiple flavors of Boox devices.
I think the written input recognition is much worse in 3.5 version. It worked much better in provious version. Don't you agree?
I hope for a new Nova Air colour device in 2024! I really love the characteristics of Nova Air 1 and 2, but a more smoothly experience and colour display would be lovely
Boox definately needs to fix the UI. The calendar needs to be integrated with notes so that you can see what notes you wrote on that day as well as timestamp the edits if you still are working with the same note.
LASTLY, MAKE THE PALMA A PHONE. I WANT A distraction free E Reader that is also a phone.
Unfortunately, they have not implemented the adjustable split screen to the older models, I guess just to differentiate them and push you to upgrade (TUC owner here)
Or maybe it has to do with the Android 12 vs Android 11?
@@MyDeepGuide cannot say anything about this, I think part of it is baked in Neoreader, so inherent Boox software. Maybe the processing speed is not fast enough?... By the way my TUC has the mouse option in settings.
You may be doing it wrong. The system wide spit screen functionality is adjustable, not the NeoReader split screen.
@@MyDeepGuide system wide and through Neo trader, there is no adjusted split screen. You should be careful in the the future when talking about different system versions, since Boox apparently will bridle some functionality on older models.
Well, I can only report what the release notes state, and test them on the devices that I have at hand, and when I did, it worked the way I demonstrated.
Next supernooooote 😄
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Ugh, so THAT'S how you copy/paste!
I firmly believe that this is THE definitive most unintuitive way anyone has ever implemented the copy paste function. I was thinking back to Atari ST and C64 days, and still, those made more sense and were more intuitive.
Not sold on Boox storing my thoughts, ideas on Chinese server.
They can use my data to train their AI and take my creative ideas for their use.
I wouldn’t have a legal recourse in a country with weak litigation laws.
So use the US server? Or don't use their account and use Google Drive, or One Drive or Dropbox, or store backups locally on your own cloud or LAN server. No one is forcing you to do what you described.
Can you use the Boox Devices without using a Boox Account? And/or use local storage and other Cloud services?
@MyDeepGuide Is this possible?
here is a reMarkable 2 user: I‘ve tested the 3C for a few days. You say, the 3C is two levels above the RM2 - I totally disagree. OK, the writing feeling is a little bit better (as you mentioned), a little bit, but this doesn‘t compensate the tons of disadvantages of the 3C compared to the RM2. Only a few examples:
- no unified storage system. The notebooks cannot be stored together with your PDFs and eBooks. You always have to switch between Storage, Library and Notes - that drives me crazy and is very time consuming
- #Tags only available for Notebook Pages. Not for PDF, not for eBoos. Not for Documents or Folders. RM2‘s #Tag system is super strong and highly underrated
- Palm recognition. Oh my god. I always have to switch between different tap/gesture/toolbar position settings. I disabled, as you suggested, the one-tap-gesture. Nice. Ever tried to tap on a picture or embedded file then?
- different toolbars for different file types - ever tried to lasso an annotation in a PDF oder eBook and cut/copy/paste it? in Notebook this works as expected. In PDF not. There is simply no copy/paste for annotations available. To cut your annotation you can sribble it (if it works) or have to select the eraser tool
- the mobile App is a nightmare. Ever tried to read your annotated PDF or eBook documents while on the road and not having the 3C with you? (you can store your PDFs and eBooks on a Cloud storage to fix this, but then you‘ve to manage a somehow synchronization between the Cloud and your 3C - complex and distracting.
- I always have to change background light and color temparatur to have good conditions.
and so on and so on.
The 3C is a distracting-by-design device, Flightmode or „do not disturb“ doesn‘t fix this.
I write this to give some feedback for possible RM2 switchers - forget it. The easy-of-use of the the RM2 (the whole eco system) is unmatched. I just need to tap on my list of #Tags to have a shortlist to find a particular Notebook, PDF or eBook. The text recognition is pretty fast and inserts a text page into your notebook (I really miss a global handwriting search feature on the RM2 - the 3C has it, but it is super slow, it takes some time to get all pages indexed in background). After that you can simply send your notebook as a PDF incl. the textpage via email - search on your computer is easy then. On the 3C you have to setup an email account to do this…
Right, except that I was talking specifically about the writing feel and experience, and as you yourself have confirmed, it feels a little batter, the writing latency is considerably faster and it has 300 PPI B&W resolution.
Everything you listed are basically the cons of their OS, something that I also consistently talk about how it is problematic and bad on any Boox device. So it seems like you may have mixed the two up a bit, which is understandable, but the reason why these things should be looked at separately is that all of the bad OS stuff can be fixed with an update, but you can't fix an inherently bad design where the hardware itself doesn't provide for a good writing feel.
got it, but this is also a bit a personal view - the writing experience on a RM2 is definitely not bad. It feels different because it‘s glass, OK, but the overall writing feeling is still pretty good.
and one more thing: the 3C is super slippery on a blank table, you really need to hold it well while writing, some rubber feets missing