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The important question is why did Mars block you😮😮😮😮😮😮
I called him out when he was being rude to other FSD users that were trying to say they weren’t having the same “perfect” experience as him.
I basically said he should hold himself to a higher standard because he’ll end up coming off as dishonest.
He said I was a dick for calling him a liar and blocked me lol.
I have dropped my subscription to him recently. He is a rich, thin skinned cry baby that doesn't put out quality product like you do.
@@CYBRLFTyeah I had im blocked for a year or two up to half a year ago. He has a history of being pretty questionable.
@@RubenKelevraThe fact he isn't trying to challenge FSD is fishy af
@@CYBRLFT I've even joked with Chris about it, as he followed me one day - if I should tell him that I had blocked him for a long time 🥲
Enjoy your channel! You acknowledge when FSD does well, and point out when not so well. I'll take your word as someone who drives on FSD all day for a living as opposed to someone who drives wide, near-empty boulevards on Sunday mornings.
I appreciate that! I’m here to bring ya the honest good stuff however it’s functioning!
Actually the slower pace and distance to cars in front is what I like.
Good to see you keep at least 1 hand on the wheel.
The left lane driving is insane for me. It always drives in left lane. Always.
Thank you for being the voice of reason in the community! I was listening to that Twitter space too. It’s ironic that some of these fans overexaggerate the systems capabilities, inviting even more unnecessary criticism.
Yeah I do what I can to keep everything legit and accurate. It does us no good to be hyperbolic in either direction.
I love using Chill, it makes most difference on the V11 highway stack. The thing about it is that it's best used when you already know you will arrive at your destination on time and you actually want to have a chill drive.
I’ve only been using FSD for about a month, and haven’t really been able to tell the difference between chill, average and assertive. The one thing I have noticed is FSD is surprisingly better on city streets than on the highway when it comes to lane changes and follow distance. I think it will get better when highway and city streets are both on the neural net stack.
Agreed. You’ll not find a whole lot of issue with the city streets profiles. They’re all largely the same.
About 70% of my driving is highway haha.
Assertive has been slightly better for me on 12.3.6 vs 12.3.4. Most notably the car changing into the proper lane around 0.5 miles before a turn instead of 0.2 miles or less on 3.4.
This is one of the things I’m curious about.
Being blocked by him is absolutely insane
Wholemars is a clout chasing douche. It bodes well to be blocked by him.
Yeah I’ve got a no-block policy and would rather have a discussion but not everyone can hack it.
assertive w minimal lane change works best for me… the minimal lane change reduces the wiggle of picking lanes for me… that said, i probably have at least one intervention of adding speed on every trip. yes, i could not figure out why the last minute lane change. yes, u turn is imperfect for me or even starts are wrong for me too.. that said, STILL LOVE IT most of the time… i do memorized the quirks so i am more ready for them… still make my trips relaxing. thanks for being honest feedback
Thanks for these tests!
you were blocked by wholemarse ? hahaha, no great loss there, strange adult thing to do, he continues to demonstrate his over-bias which comes across as disingenuous over time. You deliver a well informed, researched and experienced knowledge base in a way that others like me can derive measurable improvement or regression. there are not many like you and AIdriver that do this, this well.
I appreciate it and I think people like AIDRIVR and myself and Elias with the community tracker may be a threat to Omar’s relevance so in the case of his blocking me and Elias, he seems desperate lol.
Nice rant and keep up the great work analyzing the fundamentals on each build. We will be heading out tomorrow on 1200 mile trip on 12.3.6 and hopefully everything will be fine in Average mode.
Such a good video! I've pretty much always had mine on chill and never thought it was responsible for these annoyances. I'll try assertive and see
I think the annoyances are mostly highway and predominantly because of the v11 code behind that. I don’t have much complaint on city streets.
I think that chill mode preference might come from the area specifics. In most urban cities it would be unusable I think. But in San Francisco, sure why not.
And about the U-turns. I have noticed a few videos with the latest releases showing interesting thing. FSD does not agree with the navigation in the terms, which left turn allows to take a U-turn. So it reroutes - often to the right, to make a detour, and avoid making U-turn maneuver completely. But it it is not a misunderstanding, just lack of trust in the navigation data. I was thinking it should be more trusting with the newer releases, but it seems like it is the opposite.
My guess is that a lot more training videos with closed roads and constructions zones were given to fsd to train on. And that is the reason for this strane behavior.
My experience is Chill mode in FL doesn't work. Cars see the pocket, jump into that pocket, and that makes the car slam the brakes on; over and over and over.
I don’t see a big regression but also I don’t see a big difference between 12.3.4 and this. But, I am loving auto park it’s been magic for me
I drive almost exclusively in "chill" mode for most of the FSD releases. I think there was an obvious regression in path planning in 12.3.6. If that's the only version you're testing the chill mode versus average and agressive... then it could be this particular point release to blame and not so much the drive mode. This discussion does give me some insight as to drive 12.3.6 in Average or Agressive mode to see if the path planning issue is still present.
I’d be inclined to the that the path planning issues would span all the drive modes like you said and admittedly the majority of my annoyance is with the highway behavior still operating on v11.
I’ll have a broader and clearer picture come Monday when I hop over to average mode.
Just a note. I do 12.3.6 assertive and there’s been a LOT of staging issues. Also just lane dance issues which are rumored to be solved in 12.4
Tesla needs a lot of data on picking up customers. They should train on all your data. It’s like a gold mine.
I hope they do and I’d love to be that resource for them!
Adrian contended that engaging chill mode enhances the car’s safety, at the cost of reduced speed, which can be frustrating. If the car is left to operate in chill mode without interference, it is likely to complete its journey without any safety disengagements. However, the occurrence of multiple reroutes would be considered a failure for a robotaxi according to your metrics.
That’s part of what he said yeah but I saw the clip where he said there’s zero intervention in chill mode and the reason Dan was seeing issues was because he was in assertive mode.
@@CYBRLFT Should be "zero disengagement", not "zero intervensions". By the way, following your videos from the time of 10.x. Waithing for your next customer reactions every day.
I wish there was an option for it to tell me what the safe follow distance is as it varies with speed. Say the person ahead of me slammed on the breaks to full stop how much distance is actually needed.
Saturday, May 04, 2024 . . . Hello. I am not currently a motorist, though I am keenly interested in technology. I have viewed a many number of FSD videos since the later months of 2021, above up to 18 hours a day, including yours. One thing I have noticed is Teslas seem uncommonly to all have different "Drive-Personalities" while "Waymos" all seem to have the same Drive-Personality, just an almost eery observation. On (Chill, Average, and Aggressive), it is most probably a matter of personal preference like, what's your favorite color. That's my two cents. Be well, stay safe. Peace.
Good video.. how do you like 12.3.6 compared to 12.3.4? My started downloading 12.3.6 then it got hung up at 53% I believe it may have been because of the app on my phone needed updating that I did then a wound up with 12.3.5 haven't had much time with it. Get some tomorrow. Is 12.3.6 a keeper? I like your vid format it's very interesting to have other peoples opinions and comments.. nice!! Thx ✌️🇺🇸
I appreciate it. 12.3.6 is struggling as a Robotaxi a bit more than the others did. I’ve got a much larger amount of staging issues that were largely non-existent on the other patches of v12.
@@CYBRLFT You definitely have a lot of good information. Great comparisons. So maybe I should be happy it got hung on v 12.3.5 we will see.. I guess not having my app on my phone on the latest cause the issue where it wouldn't load 12.3.6 I've had them get stuck like that before I've always usually been able to get him through it. For some reason I didn't think to check and make sure I had the latest app on my phone. I'm just guessing that was it and not sure otherwise I would have .6
You do a great job 👍 Thx
i was listening to that conversation with Adrian and Dan as well and it was super hard to hear. I also uber on FSD about 5 hours a day and to be honest I dont think the settings do ANYTHING to the v12 stack.
I think the settings ONLY apply to v11 highway stack.
i think people's confirmation bias has given them an idea of the settings that arn't real at all
Largely agree. You’ll notice my area of complaint here is around highway behavior which is over 70% of my driving and the difference on the v12 NN seems negligible.
@@CYBRLFT yep.. im fairly confident the chill/aggressive settings apply to the control code in v11 on the highway ( it obviously works there) but the v12 code I dont thonk pays any attention to the setting.
Thats why it was extra cringe when adrian was harassing Dan about the settings and it seems like he was just totally bullshitting about chill mode. Does adrian even have FSD? does he even have credentials? 🤔
Thx for sharing. Don't you think that there should be an Auto mode as well? I see that content creators in different states prefer different styles of driving and it might be appropriate for that State or town. Auto should vary or apply the chill, standard and assertive where needed.
I’ve actually thought this should happen for a long while now. I think that the modes are mostly unnecessary and should just be overall adaptive.
I've found 12.3.6 to be a bit of a regression as well. It's not "bad": just not as good as the previous versions. I was using chill mode until recently for two reasons: I feel the follow distance on the others is too close and I don't like how avg and assertive change to the wrong lane sometimes just a half mile from a turn. That said, I had to turn chill mode off and use avg because I discovered chill mode is scared to DEATH of lane changes and it'll hesitate mid-lane-change (particularly when getting into a left turn lane) and sometimes even go back to the original lane which is bad because others don't know your intention. Avg mode seems to have solved that issue.
Yeah I lean toward average for these reasons too. Sort of the best of both worlds in the sense of not being too timid but also not being too jumpy.
If you are new and trying to get comfortable with using FSD, Chill works. Everyone doesn't start with being comfortable using it. Don't knock it.
Sure that’s fine. I’m still giving it accurate critique. I’m not hurting its feelings 🤭
Do you really think that the setting makes any difference in inte NN-based city stack? My theory is that it only affects the hardcoded high-way stack.
The issue is predominantly highway for my complaints. But to your point I don’t find the profiles to be significantly different to matter on the NN which was my point in countering the claim that chill is more successful than the other modes.
@@CYBRLFT Yes, I am basically agreeing with you. I think the settings are a legacy that only affects the highway stack. The idea that chill is a better driver is probably cope in the city scenarios where most of the interventions happen.
Having a more "chill approach" and letting the car do its thing probably leads to less interventions than the agro drivers that take over if the car stops to far back from the car in front etc. Maybe that is what Omar meant?
It will be interesting to see if they actually have different modes when it is all NN or if the car will be chill as standard (which a robotaxi probably should be in most scenarios).
Well I thought I was the only one who thought 12.3.4 was better than .6. On the same road it kept trying to go on right turn lane instead of left turning lane. Chill mode was acting really strange on roads that .4 was doing a perfect drive. Speed control is a little fast on .6 chill mode for some reason too.
I’ve noticed a lot of the same including a really fast city streets speed control even on chill. This is a funky dot release.
Anecdotal evidence: I drive roughly 2k miles a month in my 2023 MYLR and 99% of my droving is all on FSD. I can not stand Chill mode in v12.3.6. I have found it to be significantly worse than the average or assertive modes. Also, it's hesitancy, follow distance, breaking, and confidence all suffer dramatically.
I personally leave it in average or assertive mode. Overall, I find average to be the most comfortable, but where I live assertive helps me engage with other traffic more effectively.
I largely agree with all of this and my own experience does reflect a lot of what you’re saying.
Maybe call it a question mark U-turn? ?
Not a bad idea.
Something must be wrong with my chill mode. I have the same version and is way too fast acceleration and it’s slow down at the last minute make me feel like it’s gonna hit the car in front of me totally not chill.
I simply fail to understand why does fsd keep regressing even after having more compute and data available.
Chill mode for Grandmas...
12.3.6 got too cautious 🙀
You should get the chip to remove the steering wheel nag.
Nope. I don’t abuse the system like the fools out there that do and I don’t condone it. Anyone abusing the system should lose their privilege to use it.
The waffling lane selection and random idiotic lane choices are an absolute regression for me. It’s better than V11 for sure, but let’s just hope they have a cuss filter
Since when does Omar have you blocked?
Forever now lmao.
12.3.6 on original and new gauntlet please.
Some extensive gauntlet testing coming up!
2:20 you're not going "very slow". You're going exactly the same speed as the car in front. No idea what's you're talking about.
It's not safe to tailgate cars when going 70 km/h.
I disagree. Not the tailgating point, that isn’t relevant to this discussion. Tailgating is not good. Assertive and Average do a great job of maintaining a good distance from the forward car and executing speed based lane changing as well as not braking excessively early which is my point in this part of the video.
Chill on the highway lingers back like grandma in her Buick if that reference makes sense to you. It’s not unsafe, but it’s pretty inefficient and timid in my experience.
I got 12.3.6 and I don't like it as much as 12.3.4. I am not sure chill, average, assertive make a difference. I'd say no. I'd say it's .6.
Posted this comment before watching....
I largely agree. The most apparent difference in the modes is highway based. You’ll see it too if you use chill on highway and the. After a while use average or assertive.
Same here. 12.3.4 was great but seems like 12.3.6 took a step back. More waffling in lane changes and unnecessary hard breaking when a light turns yellow. It wants to stop way before white lines at stop signs and traffic lights. Also, I sometimes like to ask for a lane change by putting on blinker but car refuses to move to another lane. I mainly do this because I know I will be exiting soon and fsd does not plan soon enough with heavy traffic. It is awesome though compared to before 12.x. I love using parking lot summon. Auto park works very well too.
@@BruceBrownA I've never had summon. I wonder why. Have a June '23 model 3 std range
@@MH-Tesla if you have FSD you should be able to turn on. It is a settings then autopilot then scroll down to Summon (Beta)
@@BruceBrownA yeah, I know where it's supposed to be but it is not available in my car. It never has been.
I wouldn't even think to use chill mode. I would want assertive or probably something even more extreme than that if they ever came out with that. Whatever Tesla says is assertive is not going to be anything like a dangerous aggressive driver in real life. Chill mode is like a grandma driver and I don't think anybody thinks they are the best.
I can't imagine why anyone would choose "chill".
It used to be my favorite mode in late v10, early v11 days haha. Now I’m more of an assertive fan except when it sits in the passing lane like a jerk lol.
You should learn how to drive and learn follow distance rules before you embarrass yourself as you did. It is following fine. Everyong thinks they are an S tier driver....
I think the only embarrassment here is your presumptuous statement about my driving skill 😂
It would benefit you to add another half a second to your thought process before you start typing and risk looking foolish.