Story 1: I actually read this story on Reddit the other day and there is an update. OP had a talk with his daughter. Apparently the daughter admitted taking some vitamin but not everything that had "disappeared" from the drawer. Both of them soon come to the realization that the wife most likely had an affair and cried together. The daughter got to that conclusion before he did, which was why she was awkward around her father. OP didn't elaborate on it though as he wanted to keep it private.
I have Irish twins here! 🙋♀️ I wouldn’t say it’s suspicious for him to be burned out after a week. My husband is currently deployed and I’ve had my babies (6 months old and 18 months old) by myself for about 6 months and break down on a daily basis because of how hard this is by myself 😅 I’m surprised he lasted even a week before confiding in to someone. It takes a village but the love for them is worth it 🥰❤️
Yeah, I'm not a parent, but I thought it was a bit tough for them to judge him for breaking down after a week alone since neither of them have babies. I love my cousin's kids, but it's exhausting even after a few hours. Parenting is so tough, props to you for hanging in there alone - you can do it!!!!
Agreed. As a full time, work at home mom, my kids (2 years apart) I can't imagine trying to get my job done while also taking care of my kids alone. Either my job or the kids will get the attention they deserve and can't do both at the same time.
Yeah I believe op wife actually posted her pov. It turns out op of the story left out he asked his to separate for a few weeks as he wasn’t sure if he wanted to stay or not. So she left for vacation at his request to give him time to think about it.
Story 6: what kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to get mad at your family for not telling you mom died when you didn’t answer your phone. 😂 what?! He is the a-hole and his wife is worse.
I wonder .... Is there some phone calls anxiety on the side of the brother and his wife, where some set boundaries constantly crossed so it turned into this absurd situation. The message " call me it's urgent" is vague. Why didn't she put the mother's death into the first message instead of "it's urgent". I know it sounds stupid but as a person anxious about calls I sort of understand but yeah, demanding apology is over the top. It's kinda petty on both sides.. he won't answer the phone and she won't put the full info into the message, none of them.
@@Acinnn multiple calls from different members of the family but not one call from mom who usually calls weekly? Even if she was the type to say urgent even when it’s not you can clearly tell that’s not the case here. At least pick up once and if they start bullsh*ting hang up.
I disagree. My hot take: I smell a rat when it comes to the OP and their family. I've seen more than enough evil in-laws successfully twist the story to make their DIL look evil that I was immediately on my guard with this story. OP says that Anne had an issue with their family crossing boundaries...and then conveniently sidestepped clarifying what exactly it was that their family did. Phone calls 2-3X a week can be a LOT if these calls were going up to an hour. Adding weekly dinners on top of it - and I can see why Anne might be overwhelmed and upset, especially if the family isn't nice to her. Also, it's very telling that OP and the family didn't ONCE clarify to their brother in their many texts and voicemails that "Hey, mom's not doing well, respond asap." I'm sorry, but if your mom suddenly collapses or something happens, that's not the time to be like "Nooooo, I can only tell him in person." They should have IMMEDIATELY relayed the info that Mom was ill or that Mom was hospitalized. It seems like the family was intentionally testing the brother to see if he'd reply, and I'm sorry, but to test your family member at such a time implies spitefulness. Could Anne and Michael (or whatever his name was) be evil and awful? Sure, maybe. We never know the true story. But that's exactly why my gut is telling me OP isn't relaying the whole story. They didn't convey even ONE of Anne's complaints with their family and I wonder if everyone's tune would change if Anne suddenly made a post and was like "They're horribly mean to me, his mom called 3X a week for two hour calls, we had to have weekly dinners or all hell would break loose...I felt like I was trapped and was losing my frickin mind." I'm sorry for OP that they lost their mom, but dying doesn't make someone a saint. I really want to know Anne's specific complaints with the family. I feel like only then can we really determine if she's TA.
The Husband (from the first story): “Hey, honey, I noticed that the vitamins were deplenishing rather quickly and was wondering why. Is everything okay? Should I be concerned?” The Wife: “HOW DARE YOU ASK ME SUCH INVASIVE QUESTIONS AND MAKE SUCH INFLAMITORY ACCUSATIONS! YOU’RE INSANE! I CAN NO LONGER TRUST YOU!” Well if he wasn’t suspicious before, he should be now.
Assuming he's being accurate in his retelling, I would guess that her overly evasive response was because she was trying to protect her daughter's privacy and got flustered because she couldn't. I wouldn't be surprised if she was frustrated by her own inability to keep a secret more than his probing - which is why the response seems excessive to him. She was responding to herself more than she was responding to him.
People are saying in the update that the wife was actually cheating and the daughter found out when the dad asked her why she’d been taking so many of the sex supplements when they’re greater towards older women so she immediately realized her mom was cheating and her and the dad cried together having both realized after that
You missed your mother’s funeral and you want an apology for not answering your phone. That’s so effed up. The dad saying he lost his wife and son is spot on.
Yeah, I definately disagree with the comment about sister. This is a choice she has to make now, him or the rest of the family, because she's pushing it too far trying to make out that they are in the wrong. Clearly something urgent had happened or the whole family wouldn't have called him so much saying its urgent, he chose to ignore it, she's now choosing him
I KNOW RIGHT I’M SO EXCITED 🤩🤩🤩 and so is everyone else, apparently! I’m glad we’re all here to get stoked about it together, I feel the camaraderie ❤️
The first story had an update. The wife was cheating and the daughter found out about it and was going through it trying to figure out how to tell her dad.
Eh that’s a little misleading it’s not confirmed that she’s cheating but dad and daughter speculate. Also the sex drugs are supplements that help relive symptoms of menopause
A lot of people in the comments on both posts mentioned the vitamins OP mentioned are ones that help with menopause symptoms. So there is a possibility that could be what's going on and the wife is too embarrassed to tell OP.
Last story. You dont get to vacation from your family. Work out things like breaks. If money isn't an issue hire a nanny to help. 7 weeks away is insane.
@@FukaiKokoro most people I know that aren't in a same sex relationship know about the "turkey baster method" but your telling me a lesbian couple that has already gone through IVF doesn't know about the turkey baster method? Plus most lesbians would choose a turkey baster over a penis. So why are they so determined to have sex? It's super suspicious
I saw yesterday that Charlotte posted that she was on a THT episode! I kept checking to see if it was posted and got the notification this morning. I was so excited for my lunch break!!!
ALL RISE FOR THE POTATO QUEEN!! I'm a bit hit or miss on watching 2 Hot Takes, mainly b/c of length & my ADHD (not due to content or host/s), but I never miss a Charlotte Dobre upload. WE LOVE THE HONORABLE JUDGE CHARLOTTE
story 7: i think it’s strange that he said he felt she deserved a break, then afterwards was upset that she took a break. also 7 weeks is a v long vacation, but it feels like a rly short amount of time to fully fall out of love w your life partner
Right and did no one find it odd that he went out of his way to talk about what a great person he was? It seemed like he was being deliberately obtuse about stuff. I would love to hear mom’s side.
Doesn't take a year for someone to show they've lost interest in you. This goes for both the husband and wife. Adding the context of the wife only contacting 2 times in 7 weeks from the thread. People have their "icks", and neglect is one even if both parties don't find it valid.
I have 2 children, my husband and I both work full time. We are a pretty good team but it is still hard at times. If my husband told me he needed a nearly 2 month break from our lives I'd probably be done too. Unless there is more the story like a serious mental health situation I would be pretty resentful. If this was necessary for a health reason for either one of us we would pre arrange help...even If it was just a couple weeks.
My husband has been away a lot for work recently, but he checks in EVERYDAY and we both express love, concern and affection for each other daily. I can't imagine a world where someone just feels comfortable leaving 2 babies and a committed partner they want to have a functional relationship with for nearly 2 months with an average of only 1 call per month.... and think there will be no hard feelings or big conversations to be had upon return. I also can't imagine there not being several steps between acknowledging that your wife needs a vacation because 2 consecutive pregnancies and raising 2 infants without a single break has been hell on her physical and emotional health.... experiencing a fraction of that physical and emotional drain yourself, so you have an even deeper understanding of what she was going through to lead her to the demand for vacation.. and just not even wanting to talk it out. Straight to divorce. Straight to "I don't love you. Bye." That sounds incredibly callous. Both ends of this story feels devoid of crucial information. Without that information, both the wife and husband sound inhuman. Like neither of them ever gave a hoot about the other or their babies. And that's clearly not the case for the wife, if she's grasping at straws to save their marriage. It's weird weird. Readers are forced to come up with conjecture like PPD, inpatient rehab, neuro-divergence... otherwise, the math doesn't math. People who are committed enough to marry and have more than one child (which implies intentional family building) don't just behave that way. Way too much is invested to just have that level of abandonment be performed by both partners.
In the story where OP stole the clothes, I think the cheating wife was upset and still bringing up the prenup blowup, b/c now she won’t be able to financially benefit from her affair partner anymore
27:33 As an affair baby, Morgan you are 100% right. My sperm donor is just that, but the man who raised me, even after he divorced my mom, is my dad. I will never consider my sperm donor as a dad to me, in fact my step dad was more of a father and always will be. I’ve know this for about 3 decades and just had it confirmed, I can’t come to terms with telling my dad I know everything. I don’t want to hurt him but to me he is the best dad in the world because knowing everything he still chose me and raised me just like his other blood children.
Story 2 my mouth dropped! Im a two time IUI and one time IVF, i did at home insemination with my ex wife to have my youngest daughter and it was super simple and easy. This was before the kits were as accessable and we just used a baby medicine dropper. We got pregnant the FIRST try so he should definitely try that first 😅
I have a friend who refers to her friend as "my gay bestie" and even though she's bi I'm like.... I hope I'm not her "half black bestie". Sheesh.... I do not describe ppl by their sexual orientation.... But I don't feel like it's my place to police how she engages her community.
The game story with the cheating mom-One mom targeted another with ill intent. The other made a poor choice and is suffering the consequences. I’m more worried about a person that targets people with ill intent for entertainment, over the person that makes poor choices that mostly affect themselves and their partner( cheating). As the couple, my mom isn’t going to cheat on me so it’s not my issue. The mom that targets people with ill intent for entertainment- is a however a concern. 🚩
This is exactly what I was going to comment. I hate cheaters and I think OPs mom will and should suffer those consequences. However, she made a horrible decision due to someone manipulating her and using her insecurities against her. They were TARGETING HER. Ops mother in law targeting her in order to cause mayhem and possibly to get OP to break up with her fiancé and ruin her life. One was out of malice, the other what out of insecurity and poor decision making. One is not the same.
Did everyone miss in the last story the part where the OP said he did not end up missing his wife and was actually feeling more relaxed without her around? That alone had to be majorly eye-opening for him. Why would he want to stay with someone he doesnt enjoying having around?
I think he misses the labor his wife provided, hence why he's crying after 1 week. But once that labor was taken over by his sister, he didn't miss her anymore. Just my take on it.
@@ainkulu I think it's more a case of he stopped loving her/noticed that he had stopped loving her once they weren't around each other anymore on a daily basis. And if the only thing that kept him in love with her was physical proximity, then clearly the relationship was already in trouble before she left, they maybe just didn't know it yet. It also sounds like he doesn't need free labour and could easily afford a nanny and/or cleaner so I really don't think that that's it.
Story 3: Honestly, I think everyone's focusing way too much on who's wrong. That's distracting, because obviously the mother is wrong for cheating. The real issue, however, is that the MIL is demented. Do you want to live your whole life connected to this person? Give her access to your children?? What kind of mind games will she play with them? Honestly, I don't think I could marry into a family like this. Also, so awesome to see Charlotte!!
Yeah I agree but op is being hypocrite. She victimising her mother. Both mother are disgusting, if you’re cutting out one then you should cut out the other.
I think the difference is that, while I would never look at my mother the same, cheating happens a lot. What doesn't happen often, is someone convincing another man to sleep with a married woman just because she hates the woman's son. That is psychopathic
@@riahw3750 I think that was a bad word choice. It's possible and definitely sounds like ( considering the circumstances ) he pushed and instigated with the mother more than she reciprocated. Doesn't mean that the mother is innocent and I'm sure op knows this but it is her mother after all and her fiancés mother is the instigator in this and the mil bf. Also we've no idea how low her self-esteem is or what her relationship is like with her husband. It's highly likely he manipulated her knowing how low it was! Doesn't make it right. But I'd call that a form of abuse, right! He took advantage of her. Anyways that's just my take on the info we have.
"Not a conversation I can have with just ANYONE..." (feverishly types this out to post on the open internet) 😆 not the way I woulda gone my guy. Also I LOVE YOU CHARLOTTE, POTATO ❤😘😘😘😘
I probably would have dropped the ‘mom is dead’ news via text or voicemail if I hadn’t reached him by the day of the funeral. Bro & wife are delusional to think that they were owed an apology.
Depends on your culture though. Like for example, in my culture, we don't tell something like that via text. When my grandma passed I was at work. My family also called me a bunch of times and texted me that they need to have private conversation with me. Then after I got on the phone with them, they told me the news.
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I think the dad in the last story is an absolute AH! He was okay with mom dealing with the kids on her own, while he couldn’t handle his own kids for a week. Then was absolutely fine with her sister doing the majority of the “job” while he was busy with his usual stuff. He’s a spoiled brat who needs to grow up and be man and apologise to his wife. He was fine with making babies but bailed out as soon as it became too demanding for his majesty. HOW ARE YOU NOT EMBARRASSED?!
As the mother of two kids under 2 I CAN’T FATHOM leaving them for 7 weeks. I get it. It’s hard, and there are days I want to run away, I’m so burned out. So take a weekend trip. 7 weeks without bothering to check in feels like abandonment. To put the shoe on the other foot - if my husband took off for 7 weeks, I would probably hold a lot of resentment and feel differently about him. And I think it is very unfair to just assume that the dad is incompetent and doesn’t help his wife. Maybe that’s the case, but without hearing the other side it feels very unfair to just leap to that conclusion. Raising a 1 and 2 year old is EXHAUSTING and a 24 hour job. Plus working full time??? Of course he needed help!!! P.S. make Charlotte a regular guest. Absolute queen!!!
I'm so glad you brought up how unfair it was to assume he's incompetent. Like he clearly said she's a stay at home mom and that he works full time...How is it fair to expect him to take on the role of stay at home parent on top of a full time job and not quickly lose his sanity? Even single moms have day care or some kind of arrangement to take care of their children while they work.
Agreed about the assumptions and judgements of his parental capabilities 😭 like obviously anyone, mother or father, would fall apart after a week of caring for two babies (within a year of each other) after being used to sharing the load with a partner. And for seven weeks?! On top of the full time job 🫠 the comments on his parenting weren't it
YESS!! I am a stay at home mom of four kids, 1 being autistic. My husband works full time. I myself who knows everything about my kids would lose my mind if my husband did not come home for 1 week and would probably be in tears myself. Has nothing to do with being incapable, & has everything to do with sharing the load, and then all of a sudden, it's on you.
It's concerning that the man crying after being left alone with 3 small ones is the topic of discussion over the mother that is okay with leaving her 3 small children for 1.5 MONTHS.
Actually I think the wife posted her pov. The reason she went on a 7 week vacation. Was because op actually asked for time apart and said it was okay for her to leave. That he was wanting some time apart from her to see of he wanted to stay in the relationship
I can’t get over the last story, he was expected to take care of two infants while SIMULTANEOUSLY working full time and forbidden from using daycare or child care services AND taking care of household duties for seven weeks straight. OF COURSE HE NEEDED HELP they are two babies and he is actively working. And wife only called twice??? In two months??? Bananas.
Yeah idk what they were thinking on this one. Kids are a 2 person job even if you are a stay at home parent. I've worked jobs that have made me insane without children, to add children on top of that with no one else to help take care of the house while having a full time job sounds insane. And to have so little contact for 7 weeks? That just isn't fair to him. If he doesn't do anything around the house normally, I could understand her going on a trip for like a week or 2 to make him understand how difficult it is but holy hell almost 2 months of nearly zero contact would kill my interest in someone for sure.
Yeah, I feel like there we're missing reasons he skipped over. He said it was taxing "for her", which implies to me she shouldered most if not all of the childcare among other things. Also, Irish twins suggests he didn't give her much of a break before having unprotected sex with her after childbirth. Just... some info and context I feel like we're missing. Would love to hear her side. @hollyjones-ey3ih
The comment about the sperm donor in story 2 made me uncomfy as a lesbian. Like sorry no, that child will have two mothers and a cool family friend 'uncle'. They don't need a 'dad' figure unless that's what the couple decides to do. It reeks of heteronormative. Imagine telling a lesbian couple who adopted a child that their kids bio dad they've never met is their "real dad" regardless of their actual parents raising them.
Story 4: "his divorce is costing him a lot of money" OH POOR BABYYYY. Imagine the mental and emotional cost your partners are going through because of your affair
Story 4, I feel like the wife was so concerned about the affair partner losing money because she wanted to move on with him. Lol. Cause now he broke and she doesn’t want a broke man haha
On story 7, He was having a crappy time work and she was having crappy time at home. She deserved a vacation yes but now he was alone with two newborns and work. Being alone with all that pressure I would be breaking down in tears too
Story 5 has me worried. If the incident happened when she was freshly of age, that man most likely was grooming her when she was much younger. I would tell her parents and tell her she needs therapy/marriage counseling if she wants to make the relationship work.
Nah, that last story I'm on OPs side. She refuses daycare to make it easier on the both of them, only called 2 times during the 7 weeks? She does deserve a break, but nah, up and leaving for 7 weeks and barely keeping in contact? Nope.
As the oldest sibling, I WOULD NEVER pressure my sisters or brother into forgiving a family member who hurt them. He allowed his wife to dictate his relationship with his family. He didn't set boundaries with her and didn't even try to set healthy boundaries with his family. He never answered despite their multiple attempts at trying to tell him. He didn't apologize to them once. Also, if they had texted him that mom passed, they would have complained about that. People taking an issue with her are a red flag. They did EVERYTHING in their power. They aren't at fault. Also, dude who fell out of love with his wife is suspicious. He's leaving out information and making weird comments.
My mom always said: "Cut off the bad finger, not the whole arm." Every single time anyone told her they were cutting people off and they wanted to cut off people who were close to the person who was the problem. I can text my brother "Hey, call me please" and in the next 10 minutes I will be picking up his calls. If I texted him anything like: "This is urgent I need you to call me" he would not wait DAYS for calling. No matter where he'd be. He was an hour away when our dog (around 70 pounds, very squirmy and doesn't like being picked up AT ALL) hurt her paw. We were in an accessible area, but very far away from our house and he had the only car so I was STRANDED. I called him. He didn't pick up. I texted "I need you to call, it's an emergency." He called 2 minutes later. He picked us up, we went to the vet and I called my mom. My brother didn't even ask what happened, the only question was if we were okay. I said I needed him to come and he came. There is no way I would ever talk to him again if I called, texted and everyone else in the family did the same thing and he didn't even text back. I feel like it would be a little better if he texted: "Look, we want to have time without anyone interrupting, can I talk later?" After I called the first time. But not doing ANYTHING? He would be a dead man.
Yes, 30 phone calls sounds urgent... however, maybe they're so delulu they thought "Ugh, the family is just trying to be petty." If someone didn't answer 30 phone calls, I would likely be texting that news. Like, well I tried to get a hold of you verbally 30 times and you refused, so, Mom's dead. Come home if you want to be at her burial.
Same! Yeah it's not something you ideally want to say over text but if they don't pick up the phone I wouldn't have another option. I wouldn't have even wanted to take the time to call as many times as OP did at all actually, after that attitude
Is it just me or does anyone get the feeling maybe the controlling wife had hold of his phone and might have cleared the missed call notifications and deleted the texts? That would then explain why the brother is so upset they never told him his mum was dead. In which case the family need to find a way to rescue him from this psychopath.
@@AB-ot1pvwe also don’t know where they went on holidays. Yes he should have answered his phone, however, if they were overseas they may have been out of range. But so far the biggest AH is the wife, it reeks of controlling behaviour.
This was the exact thing I was thinking! Yes they tried, but not a single text or voicemail after all those failed attempts? And the brother found out through a text anyway afterward! So instead of getting the less ideal version while still having time to maybe go to the funeral, he finds out by text after he already missed it.
I definitely think the wife is the AH in the last story because of the added context of knowing she only reached out to him and the kids TWICE in TWO MONTHS. Plus her refusal to allow him to get a sitter or do daycare is wild. She wanted him to work from home while watching the kids totally alone. That’s not realistic. Either work or your own children are getting neglected. Neither of those is acceptable. Its completely reasonable he couldn’t handle one week because he wasn’t JUST being a SAH dad. He was juggling two jobs which is NOT what she does. That’s double the work she does. Also, him communicating his concerns with her taking 7 weeks and asking for a compromise of a few weeks less and her pushing until he felt he had to relent by using the “don’t you feel I deserve a break?!” excuse is incredibly unfair of her. I honestly don’t blame him for falling out of love. I sit here at 7 month pregnant and 5 years into a relationship with my husband and I already can’t imagine leaving our baby or him for two weeks let alone two whole month. And if he left us for that long, I’d be DEVASTATED.
Exactly!!! They kept bringing up the single mom thing and that he doesn't understand how hard it is for women but if it's hard for women why can't it be hard for him to? Why is him breaking down over being stressed out working basically two jobs being called "whining"??? Super upset.
I absolutely agree for sure!! Additional many or most single Moms who work also have someone who watches the kids for them while they work. A older sibling, trusted family member or idk a fucking babysitter. I’m sorry but if your gone for that long you don’t get to dictate who I have watch the kids I’m sorry but you clearly don’t even care about the kids if you called 2 fucking times in 2 MONTHS! Ridiculous for sure the wife is the asshole.
Right! When you're a stay at home parent, your only job is taking care of your kid(s) and when you're a working parent, your only job until you come home is the work you do for your career. When both parents are home, the work should be shared between the kids and household chores. If only one person is doing work, that's not a partnership and you might as well just be single. If you don't like the arrangement you have, discuss it with your partner so changes or compliments can be made. Its never okay to just neglect your children and partner. Also I don't like how they just jumped to the conclusion that the wife was at rehab based off of one commenters story, she could've been having postpartum or just been a crappy person. Don't assume zebras instead of horses when you hear hooves.
it is weird that she expected him to do her full time job as a STAHM and his full time job working from home and was against daycare, but if she's going away for 7 weeks and this is agreed and planned in advance, why did they not think this is not achievable so we need extra childcare, unless this was her way of showing him how hard she has it everyday? but also he's an AH for just saying no I don't love you anymore and I don't want therapy, I would need to know more about this and for the sake of the kids I would say they should try therapy, but this is a weird one!
@@TwoHotTakesthis is so exciting! Thank you both this is what we needed!!! I would also love to see one with you, Charlotte, and Sophia from okop! And/or you, Justin, Laura 0:12 Alejandra with the whole ok op gang lol I think it would be fun.
That last story... I don't think it's fair to say that he was struggling doing the same amount of work as a stay at home mom, he was doing full time stay at home parent, and full time work. With 3 kids between 1-4. She was certainly not doing all that work before. 7 weeks of doing full time parenting and full time work shouldn't be expected of any body.
Not to mention she's against daycare? Like wtf. You can't just abandon your family like that. He probably fell out of love as a defense mechanism to protect himself if she left again.
1:23:45 I can understand why she would need a vacation BUT 7 weeks is crazy! The difference between the husband is the fact that he wasn’t just the only one caring for their kids. He was caring for their kids AND working. The one week was a lot harder for him because he also had to work. It’s hard to get all your work done while you’re caring for 2 very young kids. Add in the pressure to meet all your deadlines because if most people miss their deadlines for 7 straight weeks you will likely get into trouble going into some kind of disciplinary action, losing your higher leveled position, or maybe even your job completely. His wife didn’t allow him to have any babysitter at all. Imagine filming your shows with a one and two year old. They constantly need something from someone. I think you lovely ladies are being a little paranoid. SHE DIDN’T EVER CALL HIM BACK.
No, I agree with them. We're only getting the husband's side of the story. He is definitely giving off the vibes of someone who is not a hands-on dad. That comment about how his sister suddenly had a purpose in life by becoming the kids' nanny is a red flag. Yes, she's an absolute angel for stepping up when he was overwhelmed, but it's still HIS job to parent the kids, not the aunt's. I do agree that 7 weeks is a long time, but again, we haven't gotten wife's side of the story. Maybe 2 straight years of pregnancies and newborn care really caused a mental breaking point from which it would take months to recover. We've all heard those horror stories of overwhelmed mothers who snap and harm themselves and/or the kids. She was also probably feeling unappreciated. Given how quickly he fell out of love with her, it certainly feels justified that she tried to make him realize how hard it all was by leaving him alone with the kids. Unfortunately, it had the opposite effect. This couple should probably divorce since they are doing such a terrible job taking care of each other.
I came all way the Apple Pods to rant abt the last story: THIS MAN DISCOVERED WHAT IT WAS TRULY LIKE TO BE A HANDS ON PARENT AND BAILED. He gets no credit from me. Sure it was not great for the wife to leave for 7 weeks (boo hoo) , but for him see that as a betray and not a moment of reflection on how hard it is to be the default partner is A RED FLAG. This man is NOT a supportive partner.
My issue is the woman taking a seven week vacation and people defending the woman for having to take care of her children all the time... yes, she deserves a vacation. Not a seven week vacation, but a decent vacation. But to say he was whining about taking care of his kids, he works full time and she is a STAY AT HOME MOM. He had to assume both responsibilities while she was galavanting around doing whatever with almost no contact. Yes, he was extremely stressed out and I can totally understand why he doesn't feel the same for her anymore
1:25:16 Father of Irish twins here. If their mom left them with me for 7 weeks and the kids were 1 & 2 years old, that’s a full time thing. That’s a LOT of work. No way I could do it alone while also working. But I wouldn’t want to be away from my kids for that long either. If their mother was having mental health issues, I would have asked her about them long before it would get to “7 week vacation” level.
This! 100% all of this! Mother of nearly Irish twins here. My grandpa died when my youngest was 1.5. I was away for a week (because my family lives 2 days drive each way) while my poor husband had to move with babies. He did great, but then he didn't have to work that week as it was moving/vacation before new job week. I would never expect him to work from home and care for our kids by himself even now that they are much older and more self-sufficient. As additional opinion context, he went to Antarctica for his job for 4.5 months one time when our kids were 4 and 5. He wouldn't have dreamed of doing that when they were 1 and 2. I worked part time, one kid was in full day kindergarten while the other was in half day Pre-K and it was still pretty difficult. I literally could not have worked full time and managed. (Maybe with childcare?). I think this man should try the marriage counseling just to work on holding his boundaries and learn why he was unable to firmly say, "no more than x weeks away." Also, maybe offer the wife other respite options, mental health support, or something to help her cope before agreeing to 7 weeks of vacation!
@@positivecynic365 Reading your story, I totally relate. I mean, I wish my job sent me to Antarctica, that sounds awesome, but that dual baby struggle is real. Childcare-wise, I got very lucky that the grandparents could watch them three days a week, and we could afford day care for the other two work days. If my kids’ mom was feeling run so ragged that she has to take that long of a vacation, then it’s definitely a breakdown of communication, and would be downright obliviousness on my part.
I am wondering if the "Spend Time With Friends" was code for "Spent time with Ex" - and Husband is coming to terms with it (without throwing the mother of his children under the internet bus)
If she was going to be gone for so long back up child care should have been communicated. Like his aforementioned sister, or a temporary nanny, but like I said it has to be thoroughly communicated, as a mother of two kids who are really close in age I could not be as irresponsible or as unbothered as her. He did make it sound like he pawned off his kids on his sister, I hope he helped when he could/his sister really needed him.
I’m actually conflicted with the conclusion of the last story…cuz op said he did work full time and I’m not belittling sahms but it was obviously a huge pressure put on him all of a sudden and the fact that he wife won’t be there for a couple of weeks prolly took a toll on him mentally(who knows🤷🏻♀️) and (without considering the fact that wife might be in a rehab center) I feel like contacting him two times in all of those 7 weeks??? That’s crazyyyyy and also we can’t forget the fact that they came to an agreement only for her to go on the vacation for a couple of weeks…for context let’s just think it was ‘4 weeks’ so after the initial time has passed he prolly slowly gave up of wife bc he already had a support system(the sister) which is mind boggling but I mean it’s fascinating how the human brain works🥹 but yea I think we should give op some grace rather than calling him an ah no matter the situation
Agreed. It sounded like he finally caved to her doing the full 7 weeks but still. To be gone that long and only call twice as nuts. If she was in a facility she still should have told him what was going in. this sounds like a coping strategy to me. i hope counseling works for them both.
@@dinuliedirisinghenot true Please don’t just think that “OH IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED THEYD BE ON THE GUYS SIDE” like no they wouldn’t. Ive seen almost this exact scenario IRL with a guy going on a vacation and leaving his wife and kids for a long time and everyone was saying the same mental health things that he deserved a break bc mental health is serious, and yes the mom worked. Men aren’t actually that pressured to help their families.
@@Imjustkendall I might have to disagree on that one with you cuz this sounds a lot like a patriarchal society that you live in(most of us do) caused this cuz I feel like us as listeners in the podcast ‘try’ to give both of the parties involved equal treatment as much as we can so I really do feel like we’ll def call him an ah and an absent parent if the roles were reversed
For the last story. I listened with my partner. We both agreed right away that 7 weeks is a little too long. Yeah a break is totally fine but for the children’s ages to be gone that long is insane. They have the worst separation anxiety around those ages. And that first week adjusting is always the hardest, so we weren’t shocked to hear that he was struggling. It takes roughly 2 weeks to start adjusting or figuring out what works best from going to two parents to just one or even just the switch of care takers. We both found it strange that she was so adamant about 7 weeks specifically, almost sketchy. We wondered right away if she was at least keeping in touch or checking in on him, so when we found out that she wasn’t, we were baffled. That really feels like she just abandoned her family. We will have 3 under 3 in June, and we understand how stressful and hard taking care of tiny babies can be but we don’t think that her actions were justified. Also I wouldn’t want to have sex right away with someone who didn’t even keep contact with me. His disconnect is natural. He doesn’t owe it to her for therapy, lol she could’ve used therapy before her break. Maybe there’s lack of information but for now his side seems like NTA for falling out of love.
Mom died sorry is so sad. My partner and I speak to our parents daily. I would never discourage a healthy parent/child relationship. Also, love this mashup… THT and Charlotte! ❤
Is no one else concerned about the young girl who was manipulated and groomed by her mentor? She's obviously still manipulated by him. The power dynamic of their relationship would have me worried about my partner. They should go to counseling and talk about the potential predator in this situation. Has this much older man used his power to manipulate other young girls?😢
They're always like this when men write in and I find it very odd. They have no problem calling a woman an A hole who does something messed up can never give a man the benefit of the doubt when he's not in the wrong? It's not always about gender, people can be crappy regardless.
I agree I think they got too caught up in the rehab excuse that is unknown to be true or not and overlooked him watching the kids for the assumed first time alone for 2 months straight while also holding down a full time job. It’s completely unfair to judge him for breaking down on the first week. I would expect the first week to be the hardest, I mean he’s getting the hang of juggling two jobs and you’re gonna judge him for being stressed?? I love morgan but jeez this one was way wrong in my opinion
@@mackenziec4494 Exactly. If the genders were reversed and mom were stressed? Morgan would be praising her for doing her best in a tough situation. I don’t know why she thinks OP should be able to handle all of that at once with no help.
@@trusuz20 that’s what I was saying. Just the couple of comments saying she MIGHT have been or they had a similar experience where a facility was included
With the irish twins story: i understood it as “my wife and i have separate duties: i bring in income and handle childcare as much as i can, and my wife manages the household and children when i cannot.” I understood it as “im suddenly a single parent with no assistance or backup and im struggling! (As many do) i got help from my sister and we took care of the kids and it wasn’t as stressful.” I think the frustration is 100% valid, especially if there is a *choice* to stay or go and when he asked for the trip to be shortened. If it was a sudden death that would be different, and possibly more difficult, but essentially thats what she did. She pretended to be dead to the family.
100%. I’m a stay at home mom with three little kids and went away for a week last year. I’d rather have every weekend off for two months than be away from my family. After a year i realized I just needed more support during kids bedtime and I’m able to cope with everything so much more
Oh 100%, it’s extremely rare that both parents are 50/50, there’s going to be a default parent. My husband is EXTREMELY involved, but i wfh with 2 toddlers and if i up and left? He’d be pulling his hair out. It’s a huge adjustment.
Agreed...just having someone around (even if they are working) is better than not there at all. Peronsally, I could never leave my son for more than a week, 7 weeks is very long and only calling twice is bizarre.
Yes!!! I don’t think they are understanding that this man had literally no “off” time my wife and I have a 10 month old and she needed to leave for 1 week for a conference and that was exhausting. Luckily I was able to drop him off at daycare during the week. I would 100% feel completely abandoned if she had taken 7 weeks to just get away from us.
This was a great collaboration with Charlotte! I was totally intrigued and glad to see Charlotte have interaction with you! I love when her and Mike do their own. I got great peeps to follow!
27:02 There was actually a story on Reddit a while back, where this same scenario happened except it was after the Op had donated and the child had been born. The parents were friends of Op and they would often drop the kid off with Op so that they could have free time, eventually Op got sick of it and told the parents that they couldn’t keep babysitting for them. The parents then told the Op that it wasn’t babysitting since it was Op’s child, and they were going to need Op to step up and help them raise the kid and even wanted to get a visitation schedule made for the days Op would have the kid. Unfortunately you do need to be careful when it comes to this sort of thing, because some people don’t realize that the surrogate isn’t a bonus parent.
@@teamlining7685 Because you’re not signing up to be a parent, you shouldn’t be held to the same standard as a parent if you’re only providing genetic material.
What happened afterwards?Did OP go to court or smth?becuz me personally I would've cuz ain't no way you telling me to step up when I'm just the surrogate,I don't want nothing to do with that child,it's your responsibility not mine!!
Sexdrawer story: I feel like she is cheating. It took her an hour to come up with "its our daughters", and the daughter is acting strange because her mom asked her to go along with the lie.
Words can not express the EXCITEMENT I felt seeing Charlotte post about this this morning!! I always tell my bf all I need in life is for morgan and charlotte to come together and I will be perfectly happy!!! I LOVE MY PETTY POTATO QUEEN
Story 3: yes that was a very odd, insane bet. HOWEVER, the mother did willingly sleep with him. Hot take but “low self esteem” isn’t an excuse for your actions, sorry.
@@FirstnameLastnamesinfidelity should not be normal. Completely agree about the mother-in-law being unhinged though. Infidelity is mainly an issue between OP’s parents, whereas the mother-in-law being crazy affects OP and the couple. What kind of crazy thing is she going to do next?!
Story two: I am a bit curious on if the couple actually wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Because I feel like turkey basting, even if you didn’t know insemination kits existed, would be an obvious solution. It is a little strange their minds went to “have intercourse and I’ll watch”
Story 6 - my husband calls his family several times a week and I talk to them everytime too. Seems very normal to me. Wild that thats seen as out of the norm
Story 1, the meds are probably to help with perimenapause symptoms, they've been married for 25 years, she is probably 50 or so. Lubricil is for 'dryness' issues that can come with horomone weirdness.
Yes! This is the part they’re missing. The wife’s reaction is still a bit of an overreaction but I could understand not wanting my dad to know that I have dryness issues at 25 (or any age really). It’s not that they don’t want the dad to know she’s sexually active-she’s 25 of course she is. It’s that they don’t want him to know the details about her sexual health
I don't understand this story. Why isn't the 25 year old daughter buying her own stuff? She's 25, she probably has a job and her own money and suplements don't cost that much. Why is the mom reacting so strongly? It would make sense if the daughter was a teenager and the mom would try to protect her from a more rigid conservative father, but again she's 25. It shouldn't be such a big secret between the parents. The mom could have just explained and the dad could have pretended not to know his daughters business. The story makes no sense at all.
Yeah this was one of the main conclusions in the actual comments on Reddit when I saw this post. Clearly the wife is likely going through early menopause and is uncomfortable/embarrassed to say anything. And I can understand why when the dude tries to corner her in a restaurant to get info and jumps to cheating first when some stuff is missing.
As a mom of actual twins who are now 6... I think the mom was valid in her feelings especially if she was dealing with some kind of postpartum depression. I suffered from PPD myself when my twins were born because I was doing a lot of it alone the first 6 months because my husband was working 3rd shift so the nights were really hard and taxing. So I can understand where the mom is coming from when she says she needs a break... But taking care of more than one baby at a time for anyone is exhausting... Even for the dads. so I feel like the mom was kind of selfish with that vacation. Because he struggled to. But you can't help how you feel. So if he fell out of love with her... He can't help that. Just like she can't help her feelings. they're both right but also wrong. A marriage is a partnership... And once kids come into the mix it is no longer about YOU. it should only be about those babies. They come first. Even in my darkest moments of postpartum... I still put my baby's first. If she did in fact go into a rehab facility, she should have told her husband... Her PARTNER. It sounds like he would have helped her and supported her. That is nothing wrong with adding for help and no one should be embarrassed about it. I do hope things work out for both of them in the end but most importantly I wish the best for those babies.
They definitely need to communicate. He can fall out of love now and eventually fall in love again who knows. And if money was not an issue they definitely should have hired a nanny for those 7 weeks while he was working. IDK why ppl worker than they should.
The man from Story 4 isn't whining... he had a full time job on top of his 24/7 role to manage the household and take care of his kids. I work from home but could never manage my 8-5 while caring for a 2 and 1 year old simultaneously. These children can't care for themselves at their ages either. He's supposed to get a 40 hr work week done during nap times?? And I really think y'all downplayed the TWO calls in seven weeks. I can't imagine how the wife/mom has been feeling the last few years, but she nearly went no contact with her partner for almost two months. She emotionally abandoned them.
I’m not exaggerating when I say you two are the channels I watch the most!! I typically watch Charlotte’s channel in the mornings, especially on the weekends, and listen to THT to decompress at the end of the day. The crossover I never saw coming but needed!!
Sorry ladies. The fact you cannot understand how he was handling a demanding job and two toddlers by himself for a week tells me you have never had kids. Single moms DON'T regularly "do this alone." They have daycare providers and family or friends in many cases. He had none of that for that week. That would be nearly impossible, and there is no mention that the wife works outside the home. She did not appear to have a job plus the kids. The wife leaving for 7 weeks is unbelievable to me. A week I would totally understand and support. Seven shows that she was selfish and uncaring. At the ages they are, she missed a lot of their lives and doesn't seem to care about them or her husband.
Idk guys I’d probably be pretty distant with my partner if they left me for 7 WEEKS! The rehab thing is a massive reach considering the information OP gave. She literally checked out of their whole family and is shocked that her husband is upset about it??? It sounds like he’s the only one with a job, so working full time AND watching two babies full time because the wife who is not there won’t let you put them in daycare????? That’s INSANE.
I need more info about story 7. I’d like to know the dynamics of their relationship prior to vacation, pregnancy, 1st vs 2nd child. Post Partum depression is real. I’m trying not to judge based on what I would do because who knows what else was going on.
Having Irish twins is hard on both parents. I completely understand that mom would be completely depleted. I think the rehab is a valid possibility, but also a mental health facility. That being said it was too much to ask OP to work full time and take care of two babies at the same time. When I take breaks it’s for a few days and I expect my husband to take a few days off to do what I do and support me taking a break. But that’s a few days. Seven weeks is impossible to support. Ideally I think they could have worked out more regular breaks for her like a weekend a month or a week every couple of months. That would have been healthier for everyone I think. But all of that is canceled out if she needed that time in a facility and didn’t tell him. Sounds like the marriage has more issues.
the fact that they think the dad isn’t doing enough because he needed help taking care of his TWO BABIES while working from home with no daycare or any help is an insane take. Many people with infants who work from home hire a nanny because depending on the job, it is impossible to tend to all the baby’s needs and get any work done. I can’t stand when people who don’t have kids or haven’t been an older sibling or anything give their “hot takes” on these types of stories because they are so out of touch smh
Agreed. A nanny/au pair was essential if daycare was determined by the wife as not an option. Both need counselling, something more complex seems to be going on.
Specially when the dad wasnt the primary caregiver! It takes time to know ALL the things your babies need! My husband is an amazing and involved dad, but he still needs reminders and is exhausted after being the only dad with our baby after a couole hours haha
THIS!! I was like poor guy even asked if the vacation could be less time! And she said no! Then after a week of full time work and full time at home parent with two kids under two ofc he had a break down! Not to mention she only called TWICE and then pops back after vacay like nothing happened. I’m sorry but that’s not how marriage or parenting works. I’d probably also want a divorce from feeling so abandoned by my spouse!
I’m sorry, but Story 5? The age gap is one thing and gross, but it’s so irrelevant to the question. No matter what the age of the guy is, if the wife is discussing past sexual experiences with another man and PRAISING HIM??? That’s such a gross overstepping of relationship boundaries. She is actively having a sexual conversation with someone outside of her relationship and has no remorse for that at all. It seems like she was looking to open a full blown sexting conversation with this guy. No trust. No respect. She’s trying to gaslight him about it. It’s unacceptable.
Oh yeah on story one, OP did confront his daughter who confessed she only took a few of the vitamins, implying that the wife was indeed cheating. Edit: rechecked the update. After a while of the family being all tense and not talking to one another, OP went to his daughter who ended up breaking down crying. daughter said she only took two vitamins but four were missing. OP gave her a "do you know what this means" look. So probably cheating. also checking the comments on the update, the two missing vitamins the daughter didnt take were Lubracil or Black Cohosh, which comments are saying are for menopause (quick google search says yeah but idk) so cheating may be a possibility but also not the only answer
I instantly thought she was cheating. Her major overreaction to the husband & then continues to gas light the husband, calling him untrustworthy. There's definitely something more sus going on here.
57:32 if she is reminiscing about that on a text it doesn’t matter when, she’s still thinking of and reminding him of an intimate moment that is inappropriate and unacceptable.
The Irish twins story is an Everyone Sucks Here situation. Not for the falling out of love bit, but it's obvious their relationship had some serious flaws before the mom abandoned the family for 2 months. At least from what we've been told, the amount of communication between the wife and husband is nonexistent. If she's struggling with mental health/taking care of 2 young babies all day...there are many steps to take before up and leaving for 7 weeks. Starting with asking for help. And the husband should have noticed things long before if the wife was struggling. He also doesn't sound like he really communicated his feelings regarding her asking to take that long long vacation. It doesn't sound like they loved each other even before he left.
As a trained psychologist we are taught not to confront a client in couples therapy but try to empower the couple to stand up for themselves. Unless it is going to cause harm to themselves or others you are not suppose to confront them. Hopefuĺy the counselor tried to empower the husband and perhaps get the wife to see reason. It can and is a very hard road to walk.
But I've also heard of therapists in psychologists actually calling people out. I mean, are there different ways to approach these issues? And, if you don't mind me asking, what made you get your PhD and not just your masters? And did you do both? I'm sorry but I'm trying to make that decision right now.
Totally!! Love seeing this from a counselor. I've seen one too many clinicians who like to take sides, and I often side eye them pretty hard due to that. As a person who often seeks different types of therapy and needs it to function, I would hate to have that be the approach a clinician would use in session. Plus I don't see how alienating yourself from one client in a partnership- in order to get your own emotions all mixed up in THEIR dynamic to "defend" the other partner- would really help anyone. It's also important from what I understand to remember that a clinician can be pretty wrong about what they think they're seeing. You might as a counselor have it all wrong, and it would really suck as a client to have a counselor tell you that you're wrong and "call you out", when maybe you're an abuse victim behind the scenes, or there's just a ton more to the story that would change your mind about your defensive feelings of a certain client. You're there to help us navigate our own relationships, not harm us and get all mixed up in our relationship dynamic.
Hi, I'm a psychologist, too. First off, there indeed is a method to "confront" clients - but not in the way you probably mean. Done so when they are stabilized and in a controlled manner, with phobias or OCDs etc. But in general, we wouldn't (at least shouldn't) affront you with our assumptions/prejudices, we rather paraphrase or use specific kinds of questions to assist you sorting out your own thoughts and feelings or other people's views or support you defining your solutions resp. goals and such. Hope I could help a little (and was understandable, English is not my mother tongue).
Okay, story 7 I can see where you guys are coming from with your takes on this but... Dropping 2 YOUNG kids out of their normal schedules with their normal parent that they are used to can make them UNRULY!! I can see how the first week would be a living hell, even the first few weeks being overwhelming for both kids and parent. Not only that but how can any parent leave their kids for that long!? I know, ppd and all but for a vacation!? No way dude
The way I just clicked out of a Charlotte video to see this on my home screen???? I literally thought I had a stroke. Been watching her Reddit TH-cam stories for ages, and definitely what led me to THT
S3: Claire and Brad really read/saw Dangerous Liaisons (or Cruel Intentions) and thought "Yeah, let's do that." What a bunch of awful awful people. The last story: Seven whole weeks is widl to me. But I'm sorry he guilted his sister into taking care of his kids after a week. The best thing for everyone is divorce here. It sounds like she was completely burned, on top of going through two pregnancies in a year. Also the "getting pregnant after three months," comment? Babe if that.
Im on the husband's side hard on the last story. He felt left in the dust. She abandoned them for 2 months. If she when to rehab she needed to communicate that to her PARTNER
Maybe the partner knew, but he called it 'a vacation' on Reddit for anonymity reasons. Like, if someone they know irl found out about the post. He didn't mention to be concerned about her cheating or anything, and I wouldn't either it my partner was in rehab.
@@willemijn3059 I understand what you're saying and in the case that this was rehab it would definitely change how I perceived it but I'm going off what OP put down and forming my opinion.
The last story: I understand the wife needing a break, but he said no to the Seven week trip, and she went anyways. If the roles were reversed they’d be arguing that the mom who was stuck at home, working full time and taking care of Irish twins should divorce the husband! But they instead argue how the husband should stick with the mom WHO BARELY CONTACTED THEM FOR SEVEN WEEKS! Like what???? And no she wasn’t at a mental facility cause he said she spent money and he’d notice if there wasn’t a money trail in the places she went to!
I like Morgan, but she can be sexist sometimes against men. I’ve seen it multiple times, where I know if the genders were switched she wouldn’t have the same opinion.
Morgan is SUPER misandrist. There's a big difference between feminism and hating men. I think it's expected for him to be exhausted and overwhelmed while working from home and caring for Irish twins young enough to be in diapers. I don't like Morgan, she makes a lot of disrespectful, entitled, judgmental statements...I forget how shitty she is and come back to watch a video after a while and it's always the same.
I was a bit taken aback how they started going off on the dad coz he was struggling, he's the sole bread winner in the family in that moment, she's gone for 7 weeks and it'll be using the money he's earning and left him with the full care of 2 babies and taking care of all the house responsibilities (which with 2 babies there are A LOT). I can understand him breaking down when help was offered 🤷♀️
@@2words1finger64 exactly! And I can understand him starting to fall out of love after his wife completely checked out on their family. What if he needed a break, quit his job and took a 7 weeks vacation, I’m sure the wife would have a problem with that.
if the roles were reversed? you mean if he would have been the one being pregnat back to back and caring for a newborn while also being pregnant i think not. she needed more than a 7 week waykau. he broke down a week in caring for his hicldren while she has been caring fro them 24/7 for 2 years and a week in he is already giving up. i hope they get a divorce and she get remarreid to a real man
the 6th story doesn't make any sense, they tried to contact him several times even hours before the funeral, why would they be the asholes? they tried and he didn't asnwer, it's his problem and in my opinion if this happened to me I would absolutely not ever talk to him and the sister that's trying to appease them because at some point they're going to do it again. The whole problem is to only be available when they want to, that's not family, you help eachother all the time, it's not one sided and it shouldn't be about one person dictating boudaries, the spouse likes boudaries so much right? well op had one and they crossed it, they're done. also, if the sister sides with them she should hang out a little more with them and see how long it lasts before she's thrown away too. I can't fadom the thought of maybe not being on good speaking terms with my mom if she passes, it would destroy me, and somehow they're to blame for his own doing? please
Story 5: I hate when people say “I know I shouldn’t be going through their phone.” I’m fully in the boat that if you find proof of something sus on their phone , it doesn’t matter why you checked in the first place. They have no right to be mad you checked their phone when they only know you checked bc they got caught w something. I’ve never heard of anyone with nothing to hide being mad someone went through their phone.
To me that's definitely a break of trust. I don't think it should be normalized. Obviously if you see something on the screen or something but otherwise I think it's always shitty.
FACTS! 💯 💯 💯 My partner and I don’t have this issue. I’ve gone through his phone probably 3-4x a year throughout our 7yr relationship, usually when i feel something is off or i can tell he’s lying to me. I always catch him in a lie because we know each other so well that i clock that dishonesty immediately. But it’s never infidelity or like serious lies. Anyways, my point is both my partner & I’s phones are open books. He’s never got upset at me for looking through his, even when i catch him in lies, and I’ve never been upset about him going through mine or reading texts or anything. But we have a really honest healthy relationship so pretty much anything in my phone I’ve already talked about it 😆 and neither of us have social media which i think is so important & keeps your love true and monogamous
Nah, I would be mad if someone went through my phone behind my back and I've never cheated. It's an invasion of privacy, it's a betrayal of trust and it means l my partner doesn't trust me. I'm not against it completely but I think it should be a "gathering evidence" measure. You should already have a strong suspicion not just "I was curious". He didn't mention her doing anything suspicious to warrant that. If you regularly let each other use your phones or you've made a specific phone policy that's one thing but anytime you're sneaking around behind your partners back, that's a red flag and you better be damn sure they're cheating because if they're not then you're the one who betrayed trust. It is annoying when the cheaters who get caught this way act like the snooping is worse than the cheating though.
And what if this couple splits up? She can legally go after him for child support if bio mom winds up alone and caring for the child. There’s not a lot of thought going on here with all parties…
The last story does rub me the wrong way. I had 2 kids 15 months apart and work remotely full time as well. I understand the wife needing a break (not 7 weeks for sure, one week is hard enough for me) but I don't understand the concept of falling out of love with the spouse because you couldn't handle it on the first week. I would potentially say you don't contribute to the household/kids just based of this explanation, and i hear more that you're pissed that your wife "abandoned you" otherwise you would've never fallen out of love. What a joke post. Again i personally can't go a week but there is 100% missing info here and a dad should be able to handle the first week.
The last story... As a single mom, and full time worker... it's most definitely NOT the same to be a stay at home mom, than having to also mantaing a work (and keep up so you don't get fired!). He did need help. Still, there's something odd about a mom leaving her kids for almost two months. I also have adhd and don't experience missing people like others do, but to be apart from your own kids is a whole different story.
That last story kills me. Hubby and I have 2 kids and as stressful and insane as it can be, I can't EVER imagine leaving them for 7 weeks, let alone only talking to them/him twice in that time. That's sketchy as hell to me. As a parent, when you need a break, you go take a hot shower, go for a walk, go for coffee with a friend or even take a day or two (max!) away. But 7 weeks?! Honestly that sounds like she just wanted to get away and leave all her responsibilities behind, which is probably why she didn't call. Kids need their moms and their dads, but in those first couple years, they tend to need mom a LOT more. Those poor kids were too young to understand why mom wasn't around anymore, and were probably inconsolable. So ya, I get that week 1 would have been insane and dad was exhausted and had a bit of a breakdown. My hubby worked away for a couple months at a time when our kids were young, and let me tell you, there were times I got them to bed and just sobbed while sitting on the living room floor. I didn't have PPD, but stress builds up in your body and sometimes, a good cry is the best reset. That being said, I really dont think that the hubby in that story is out of line at all. He probably began to resent her for leaving him to take care of everything for so long, and realized that if he's doing it all without her, what does he even need her for?!
@user-qk7qc2yv1w I haven't seen OP mention that anywhere in the actual post, and instead just saw other people speculate that's what probably happened. Even if that was the case, though, how did she know a 7 week break from her real life (because that's exactly what it was, she checked out from having any kind of responsibility) would fix it? Seems pretty suspicious to me.
Story 7- Here's what really happened...The wife asked her husband to watch the kids so she could finish cooking or take a shower or a nap...he got pissed because he juat got home from work and just wanted dinner and to be left alone. So he started b*tching about how she's home all day and didn't have it that hard and that anyone could do what she does, which he thinks is nothing...she said bet, I'll take a vacation and you can do it...three days later he is walking around like a zombie and freaking out because he ACTUALLY has to touch his children. He called his sister begging her to help because his wife ran off to have fun and just left him with the kids and house without notice...now his wife is back but because he doesn't want to admit that her job is hard he claims he doesn't love her anymore and tries to paint her as the villian in his brused ego story...and of course he doesn’t "need" her anymore because his sister is doing EVERYTHING around the house that his wife was doing...WITHOUT ANY HELP... I garuntee if you ask his sister she will tell you she underatands exactly why his wife needed a vacation...
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Story 1: I actually read this story on Reddit the other day and there is an update.
OP had a talk with his daughter. Apparently the daughter admitted taking some vitamin but not everything that had "disappeared" from the drawer. Both of them soon come to the realization that the wife most likely had an affair and cried together. The daughter got to that conclusion before he did, which was why she was awkward around her father. OP didn't elaborate on it though as he wanted to keep it private.
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Yeah I felt that the wife was way too angry and defensive for just the daughter taking it
@@samalvarez8776yea that’s what I was thinking. Like why would you get that mad over a situation that dosent actually involve you
Did you read the comments in there? It was insane.
OMG, thank you so SO much for the update fam. Good lookin out. ❤ .... and OF COURSE she did
I have Irish twins here! 🙋♀️ I wouldn’t say it’s suspicious for him to be burned out after a week. My husband is currently deployed and I’ve had my babies (6 months old and 18 months old) by myself for about 6 months and break down on a daily basis because of how hard this is by myself 😅 I’m surprised he lasted even a week before confiding in to someone. It takes a village but the love for them is worth it 🥰❤️
Yeah, I'm not a parent, but I thought it was a bit tough for them to judge him for breaking down after a week alone since neither of them have babies. I love my cousin's kids, but it's exhausting even after a few hours. Parenting is so tough, props to you for hanging in there alone - you can do it!!!!
Agreed. As a full time, work at home mom, my kids (2 years apart) I can't imagine trying to get my job done while also taking care of my kids alone. Either my job or the kids will get the attention they deserve and can't do both at the same time.
Yeah I believe op wife actually posted her pov. It turns out op of the story left out he asked his to separate for a few weeks as he wasn’t sure if he wanted to stay or not. So she left for vacation at his request to give him time to think about it.
@hackerman2116 a vacation that lasts weeks though? A week up to 4 weeks is a vacation. Anything more than that? Is weird.
I think 7 weeks is a bit excessive
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Ikr I DIED when I saw charlotte. AHHHHHH!
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Haven't even started watching yet, but I automatically know it's gonna be good.
"How are you not EMBARRASSED?"
Literally my reaction lol
Just sitting down to watch it now WOOO 🎉🎉🎉
Story 6: what kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to get mad at your family for not telling you mom died when you didn’t answer your phone. 😂 what?! He is the a-hole and his wife is worse.
I wonder .... Is there some phone calls anxiety on the side of the brother and his wife, where some set boundaries constantly crossed so it turned into this absurd situation. The message " call me it's urgent" is vague. Why didn't she put the mother's death into the first message instead of "it's urgent". I know it sounds stupid but as a person anxious about calls I sort of understand but yeah, demanding apology is over the top. It's kinda petty on both sides.. he won't answer the phone and she won't put the full info into the message, none of them.
@@Acinnn you don't put that info in a message ffs! when someone texts you it's URGENT please answer you f*ing asnwer.
@@achocot haha. I guess you never heard of parents that say urgent but it's just to boss their kids around.
@@Acinnn multiple calls from different members of the family but not one call from mom who usually calls weekly? Even if she was the type to say urgent even when it’s not you can clearly tell that’s not the case here. At least pick up once and if they start bullsh*ting hang up.
I disagree. My hot take: I smell a rat when it comes to the OP and their family. I've seen more than enough evil in-laws successfully twist the story to make their DIL look evil that I was immediately on my guard with this story. OP says that Anne had an issue with their family crossing boundaries...and then conveniently sidestepped clarifying what exactly it was that their family did. Phone calls 2-3X a week can be a LOT if these calls were going up to an hour. Adding weekly dinners on top of it - and I can see why Anne might be overwhelmed and upset, especially if the family isn't nice to her. Also, it's very telling that OP and the family didn't ONCE clarify to their brother in their many texts and voicemails that "Hey, mom's not doing well, respond asap." I'm sorry, but if your mom suddenly collapses or something happens, that's not the time to be like "Nooooo, I can only tell him in person." They should have IMMEDIATELY relayed the info that Mom was ill or that Mom was hospitalized. It seems like the family was intentionally testing the brother to see if he'd reply, and I'm sorry, but to test your family member at such a time implies spitefulness. Could Anne and Michael (or whatever his name was) be evil and awful? Sure, maybe. We never know the true story. But that's exactly why my gut is telling me OP isn't relaying the whole story. They didn't convey even ONE of Anne's complaints with their family and I wonder if everyone's tune would change if Anne suddenly made a post and was like "They're horribly mean to me, his mom called 3X a week for two hour calls, we had to have weekly dinners or all hell would break loose...I felt like I was trapped and was losing my frickin mind." I'm sorry for OP that they lost their mom, but dying doesn't make someone a saint. I really want to know Anne's specific complaints with the family. I feel like only then can we really determine if she's TA.
The Husband (from the first story): “Hey, honey, I noticed that the vitamins were deplenishing rather quickly and was wondering why. Is everything okay? Should I be concerned?”
The Wife: “HOW DARE YOU ASK ME SUCH INVASIVE QUESTIONS AND MAKE SUCH INFLAMITORY ACCUSATIONS! YOU’RE INSANE! I CAN NO LONGER TRUST YOU!”
Well if he wasn’t suspicious before, he should be now.
Assuming he's being accurate in his retelling, I would guess that her overly evasive response was because she was trying to protect her daughter's privacy and got flustered because she couldn't. I wouldn't be surprised if she was frustrated by her own inability to keep a secret more than his probing - which is why the response seems excessive to him. She was responding to herself more than she was responding to him.
People are saying in the update that the wife was actually cheating and the daughter found out when the dad asked her why she’d been taking so many of the sex supplements when they’re greater towards older women so she immediately realized her mom was cheating and her and the dad cried together having both realized after that
You missed your mother’s funeral and you want an apology for not answering your phone. That’s so effed up. The dad saying he lost his wife and son is spot on.
Yeah, I definately disagree with the comment about sister. This is a choice she has to make now, him or the rest of the family, because she's pushing it too far trying to make out that they are in the wrong. Clearly something urgent had happened or the whole family wouldn't have called him so much saying its urgent, he chose to ignore it, she's now choosing him
I smell abuse. It starts with isolation
So fkd up 😮
OMG I ONLY JUST SAW QUEEEENS
And didn't he notice it was everyone else calling and not his mom?
first shayne topp now charlotte… this is the next craziest crossover of my DREAMS
Literally came to say this, so happy to have both collabs!
I KNOW RIGHT I’M SO EXCITED 🤩🤩🤩 and so is everyone else, apparently! I’m glad we’re all here to get stoked about it together, I feel the camaraderie ❤️
I was thinking the same thing!
Right 😭😭
It’s almost feels like they’re breaking the 4th wall!
8:42 the daughter is 25! The father does not need to know his daughter is sexually active.
Then she should buy her own supplies….
The man is in the right to know bc
He probably thought his wife was cheating and STI’s are no joke
I have to say, it's the crossover we've all been waiting for 👱🏻♀️👩🏻🦰
Agreed!!
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I love both these ladies but I didn't think for even a second this would ever happen lol
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The first story had an update. The wife was cheating and the daughter found out about it and was going through it trying to figure out how to tell her dad.
Omg do you have the link by chance?
Oh that's awful. I had a feeling bc of the reaction from the wife but that's terrible :(
Eh that’s a little misleading it’s not confirmed that she’s cheating but dad and daughter speculate. Also the sex drugs are supplements that help relive symptoms of menopause
A lot of people in the comments on both posts mentioned the vitamins OP mentioned are ones that help with menopause symptoms. So there is a possibility that could be what's going on and the wife is too embarrassed to tell OP.
Excactly what I thought, bc of the daughter being uncomfortable and some medicine being specifically for the older womens issues
Last story. You dont get to vacation from your family. Work out things like breaks. If money isn't an issue hire a nanny to help. 7 weeks away is insane.
The fact that they didn’t think of the turkey baster is hilarious
I think it is suspicious.
Why is it suspicious?
@@FukaiKokoro most people I know that aren't in a same sex relationship know about the "turkey baster method" but your telling me a lesbian couple that has already gone through IVF doesn't know about the turkey baster method? Plus most lesbians would choose a turkey baster over a penis. So why are they so determined to have sex? It's super suspicious
@@nebulasfartI'm using my brain... it doesn't seem suspicious. It's a way cheaper way to have a baby than IVF
Realistically, a sperm isn't staying alive in a turkey baster very long.
I had to pick my jaw off the floor when I saw who the guest was OMG OMG ❤
SAME. I was like shut the front door. I know this is gonna be so good.
Sameee
Same
honestly I love charlotte so much I’ve been watching her since I was a kid back when she was on the inform overload channel.
I saw yesterday that Charlotte posted that she was on a THT episode! I kept checking to see if it was posted and got the notification this morning. I was so excited for my lunch break!!!
ALL RISE FOR THE POTATO QUEEN!!
I'm a bit hit or miss on watching 2 Hot Takes, mainly b/c of length & my ADHD (not due to content or host/s), but I never miss a Charlotte Dobre upload. WE LOVE THE HONORABLE JUDGE CHARLOTTE
That second story! There’s no way the lesbians could’ve not known about the turkey baster method. There’s gotta be more to this story 😳
I feel like the one carrying the baby secretly just wants to have sex with the husband tbh 😂
What I was thinking! They've spent tens of thousands on treatments but didn't look it up?? You'd think they'd have done extensive research
They know for sure. There’s more to this story
Damn just said this!
Lesbian here, and that whole story had me repulsed…what the hell??
They totally missed the opportunity to say “the lyin’ , the Witch, and the Whore-drobe” but I digress.
Ooooo so so much better!!! You’re elite
story 7: i think it’s strange that he said he felt she deserved a break, then afterwards was upset that she took a break. also 7 weeks is a v long vacation, but it feels like a rly short amount of time to fully fall out of love w your life partner
Right! Like it’s so weird he’s not even willing to try lol
Right and did no one find it odd that he went out of his way to talk about what a great person he was? It seemed like he was being deliberately obtuse about stuff. I would love to hear mom’s side.
Doesn't take a year for someone to show they've lost interest in you. This goes for both the husband and wife. Adding the context of the wife only contacting 2 times in 7 weeks from the thread. People have their "icks", and neglect is one even if both parties don't find it valid.
I have 2 children, my husband and I both work full time. We are a pretty good team but it is still hard at times. If my husband told me he needed a nearly 2 month break from our lives I'd probably be done too. Unless there is more the story like a serious mental health situation I would be pretty resentful. If this was necessary for a health reason for either one of us we would pre arrange help...even If it was just a couple weeks.
My husband has been away a lot for work recently, but he checks in EVERYDAY and we both express love, concern and affection for each other daily. I can't imagine a world where someone just feels comfortable leaving 2 babies and a committed partner they want to have a functional relationship with for nearly 2 months with an average of only 1 call per month.... and think there will be no hard feelings or big conversations to be had upon return.
I also can't imagine there not being several steps between acknowledging that your wife needs a vacation because 2 consecutive pregnancies and raising 2 infants without a single break has been hell on her physical and emotional health.... experiencing a fraction of that physical and emotional drain yourself, so you have an even deeper understanding of what she was going through to lead her to the demand for vacation.. and just not even wanting to talk it out. Straight to divorce. Straight to "I don't love you. Bye." That sounds incredibly callous.
Both ends of this story feels devoid of crucial information. Without that information, both the wife and husband sound inhuman. Like neither of them ever gave a hoot about the other or their babies. And that's clearly not the case for the wife, if she's grasping at straws to save their marriage. It's weird weird. Readers are forced to come up with conjecture like PPD, inpatient rehab, neuro-divergence... otherwise, the math doesn't math. People who are committed enough to marry and have more than one child (which implies intentional family building) don't just behave that way. Way too much is invested to just have that level of abandonment be performed by both partners.
In the story where OP stole the clothes, I think the cheating wife was upset and still bringing up the prenup blowup, b/c now she won’t be able to financially benefit from her affair partner anymore
She’s definitely still talking to her affair partner to know the details of his divorce. He’s to blame for his relationship issues. Op is not.
Dude this is exactly what I was yelling at the video!!! Lol
My thought exactly!
The only reason she was begging to come back to him was b/c her plan to leech off of him was botched
Did anyone find 3rd story op ?
The op's wife and affair partner really *@$&ed around and found out. Karma's a b*tch and there are consequences to your actions.
27:33 As an affair baby, Morgan you are 100% right. My sperm donor is just that, but the man who raised me, even after he divorced my mom, is my dad. I will never consider my sperm donor as a dad to me, in fact my step dad was more of a father and always will be. I’ve know this for about 3 decades and just had it confirmed, I can’t come to terms with telling my dad I know everything. I don’t want to hurt him but to me he is the best dad in the world because knowing everything he still chose me and raised me just like his other blood children.
Story 2 my mouth dropped! Im a two time IUI and one time IVF, i did at home insemination with my ex wife to have my youngest daughter and it was super simple and easy. This was before the kits were as accessable and we just used a baby medicine dropper. We got pregnant the FIRST try so he should definitely try that first 😅
“Our lesbian couple” on story 2s title had me crying… like they are your pets or something lol
I clocked that too!
It's their emotional support lesbian couple 😭
i was like “SIR are you aware the owning of people has been abolished for years now” 💀💀
I have a friend who refers to her friend as "my gay bestie" and even though she's bi I'm like.... I hope I'm not her "half black bestie". Sheesh.... I do not describe ppl by their sexual orientation.... But I don't feel like it's my place to police how she engages her community.
Is it possible that it’s actually an inside joke? My friend actually prefers when I introduce her and her girlfriend as my lesbian moms.
The game story with the cheating mom-One mom targeted another with ill intent. The other made a poor choice and is suffering the consequences. I’m more worried about a person that targets people with ill intent for entertainment, over the person that makes poor choices that mostly affect themselves and their partner( cheating). As the couple, my mom isn’t going to cheat on me so it’s not my issue. The mom that targets people with ill intent for entertainment- is a however a concern. 🚩
I know Morgan and Charlotte said that breaking up would be too far, but to get away from a MIL with that level of ill intent I would do it.
This is exactly what I was going to comment. I hate cheaters and I think OPs mom will and should suffer those consequences. However, she made a horrible decision due to someone manipulating her and using her insecurities against her. They were TARGETING HER. Ops mother in law targeting her in order to cause mayhem and possibly to get OP to break up with her fiancé and ruin her life. One was out of malice, the other what out of insecurity and poor decision making. One is not the same.
Does it not sound like the movie/book Dangerous Liaisons?
@@catf9223Yeah, sounds like maybe the MIL or Brad watched that movie while drinking too much wine and decided to do it in real life.
I appreciate Charlotte's strong conviction. She's real. Glad to see her take here.
Did everyone miss in the last story the part where the OP said he did not end up missing his wife and was actually feeling more relaxed without her around?
That alone had to be majorly eye-opening for him. Why would he want to stay with someone he doesnt enjoying having around?
I think he misses the labor his wife provided, hence why he's crying after 1 week. But once that labor was taken over by his sister, he didn't miss her anymore. Just my take on it.
@popcorn1304 this. He stopped loving her once she stopped doing things for him, that's weird.
@@popcorn1304EXACTLY!!!!
@@ainkulu I think it's more a case of he stopped loving her/noticed that he had stopped loving her once they weren't around each other anymore on a daily basis. And if the only thing that kept him in love with her was physical proximity, then clearly the relationship was already in trouble before she left, they maybe just didn't know it yet. It also sounds like he doesn't need free labour and could easily afford a nanny and/or cleaner so I really don't think that that's it.
@@mae_liii Seriously. WHY ARE PEOPLE DEFENDING THIS LADY???
Story 3: Honestly, I think everyone's focusing way too much on who's wrong. That's distracting, because obviously the mother is wrong for cheating. The real issue, however, is that the MIL is demented. Do you want to live your whole life connected to this person? Give her access to your children?? What kind of mind games will she play with them? Honestly, I don't think I could marry into a family like this.
Also, so awesome to see Charlotte!!
Yeah I agree but op is being hypocrite. She victimising her mother. Both mother are disgusting, if you’re cutting out one then you should cut out the other.
@@jesuschrist472calling the guy "the aggressor" like he raped her mother was what got me weirded out
@@riahw3750 yeah exactly, obviously the home wrecking truce is disgusting but he didn’t abuse op mother into an affair or anything.
I think the difference is that, while I would never look at my mother the same, cheating happens a lot. What doesn't happen often, is someone convincing another man to sleep with a married woman just because she hates the woman's son. That is psychopathic
@@riahw3750 I think that was a bad word choice. It's possible and definitely sounds like ( considering the circumstances ) he pushed and instigated with the mother more than she reciprocated. Doesn't mean that the mother is innocent and I'm sure op knows this but it is her mother after all and her fiancés mother is the instigator in this and the mil bf.
Also we've no idea how low her self-esteem is or what her relationship is like with her husband. It's highly likely he manipulated her knowing how low it was! Doesn't make it right. But I'd call that a form of abuse, right! He took advantage of her. Anyways that's just my take on the info we have.
"Not a conversation I can have with just ANYONE..." (feverishly types this out to post on the open internet) 😆 not the way I woulda gone my guy. Also I LOVE YOU CHARLOTTE, POTATO ❤😘😘😘😘
All hail the judge 👩⚖️ Charlotte ❤
All rise for the honorable judge, Charlotte!
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I can hear her silly voice when she says that 😅
Someone already stole my reply 😂😭😭
I probably would have dropped the ‘mom is dead’ news via text or voicemail if I hadn’t reached him by the day of the funeral. Bro & wife are delusional to think that they were owed an apology.
Right? Sorry “urgent” isn’t as serious as “mom died and funeral is at x”
@emm6724 Yeah but if I saw 50-plus urgent messages. I would just assume someone died.
@@Tues48 exactly.
Yeah, at least say "somethings happened to mom. We need you back by Tuesday. Please call"
Depends on your culture though. Like for example, in my culture, we don't tell something like that via text.
When my grandma passed I was at work. My family also called me a bunch of times and texted me that they need to have private conversation with me. Then after I got on the phone with them, they told me the news.
I think the dad in the last story is an absolute AH! He was okay with mom dealing with the kids on her own, while he couldn’t handle his own kids for a week. Then was absolutely fine with her sister doing the majority of the “job” while he was busy with his usual stuff. He’s a spoiled brat who needs to grow up and be man and apologise to his wife. He was fine with making babies but bailed out as soon as it became too demanding for his majesty. HOW ARE YOU NOT EMBARRASSED?!
As the mother of two kids under 2 I CAN’T FATHOM leaving them for 7 weeks. I get it. It’s hard, and there are days I want to run away, I’m so burned out. So take a weekend trip. 7 weeks without bothering to check in feels like abandonment. To put the shoe on the other foot - if my husband took off for 7 weeks, I would probably hold a lot of resentment and feel differently about him.
And I think it is very unfair to just assume that the dad is incompetent and doesn’t help his wife. Maybe that’s the case, but without hearing the other side it feels very unfair to just leap to that conclusion. Raising a 1 and 2 year old is EXHAUSTING and a 24 hour job. Plus working full time??? Of course he needed help!!!
P.S. make Charlotte a regular guest. Absolute queen!!!
I'm so glad you brought up how unfair it was to assume he's incompetent. Like he clearly said she's a stay at home mom and that he works full time...How is it fair to expect him to take on the role of stay at home parent on top of a full time job and not quickly lose his sanity? Even single moms have day care or some kind of arrangement to take care of their children while they work.
Agreed about the assumptions and judgements of his parental capabilities 😭 like obviously anyone, mother or father, would fall apart after a week of caring for two babies (within a year of each other) after being used to sharing the load with a partner. And for seven weeks?! On top of the full time job 🫠 the comments on his parenting weren't it
YESS!! I am a stay at home mom of four kids, 1 being autistic. My husband works full time. I myself who knows everything about my kids would lose my mind if my husband did not come home for 1 week and would probably be in tears myself. Has nothing to do with being incapable, & has everything to do with sharing the load, and then all of a sudden, it's on you.
It's concerning that the man crying after being left alone with 3 small ones is the topic of discussion over the mother that is okay with leaving her 3 small children for 1.5 MONTHS.
Actually I think the wife posted her pov. The reason she went on a 7 week vacation. Was because op actually asked for time apart and said it was okay for her to leave. That he was wanting some time apart from her to see of he wanted to stay in the relationship
I can’t get over the last story, he was expected to take care of two infants while SIMULTANEOUSLY working full time and forbidden from using daycare or child care services AND taking care of household duties for seven weeks straight. OF COURSE HE NEEDED HELP they are two babies and he is actively working. And wife only called twice??? In two months??? Bananas.
Yeah idk what they were thinking on this one. Kids are a 2 person job even if you are a stay at home parent. I've worked jobs that have made me insane without children, to add children on top of that with no one else to help take care of the house while having a full time job sounds insane. And to have so little contact for 7 weeks? That just isn't fair to him. If he doesn't do anything around the house normally, I could understand her going on a trip for like a week or 2 to make him understand how difficult it is but holy hell almost 2 months of nearly zero contact would kill my interest in someone for sure.
I feel like they completely forgot that he was also working full time? Otherwise I do not understand their reaction?
I completely agree. She only checked in twice in two months?! I think I would have fallen out of love too.
According to the comments she was struggling with her mental health and tried to tell him multiple times.
Yeah, I feel like there we're missing reasons he skipped over. He said it was taxing "for her", which implies to me she shouldered most if not all of the childcare among other things. Also, Irish twins suggests he didn't give her much of a break before having unprotected sex with her after childbirth. Just... some info and context I feel like we're missing. Would love to hear her side. @hollyjones-ey3ih
The comment about the sperm donor in story 2 made me uncomfy as a lesbian. Like sorry no, that child will have two mothers and a cool family friend 'uncle'. They don't need a 'dad' figure unless that's what the couple decides to do. It reeks of heteronormative. Imagine telling a lesbian couple who adopted a child that their kids bio dad they've never met is their "real dad" regardless of their actual parents raising them.
Story 4: "his divorce is costing him a lot of money" OH POOR BABYYYY. Imagine the mental and emotional cost your partners are going through because of your affair
Story 4, I feel like the wife was so concerned about the affair partner losing money because she wanted to move on with him. Lol. Cause now he broke and she doesn’t want a broke man haha
On story 7, He was having a crappy time work and she was having crappy time at home. She deserved a vacation yes but now he was alone with two newborns and work. Being alone with all that pressure I would be breaking down in tears too
Story 5 has me worried. If the incident happened when she was freshly of age, that man most likely was grooming her when she was much younger. I would tell her parents and tell her she needs therapy/marriage counseling if she wants to make the relationship work.
my thoughts exactly. The fact she’s 27 and still can’t see that situation for what it was is concerning and sad
Nah, that last story I'm on OPs side. She refuses daycare to make it easier on the both of them, only called 2 times during the 7 weeks? She does deserve a break, but nah, up and leaving for 7 weeks and barely keeping in contact? Nope.
If I was op, I’d say go get a break when baby’s out of the newborn stage. When OP made the post the baby is only two months old.
@@danielleee6533 damn for some reason I thought the baby was at least one, which makes it even worse.
As the oldest sibling, I WOULD NEVER pressure my sisters or brother into forgiving a family member who hurt them. He allowed his wife to dictate his relationship with his family. He didn't set boundaries with her and didn't even try to set healthy boundaries with his family. He never answered despite their multiple attempts at trying to tell him. He didn't apologize to them once.
Also, if they had texted him that mom passed, they would have complained about that. People taking an issue with her are a red flag. They did EVERYTHING in their power. They aren't at fault.
Also, dude who fell out of love with his wife is suspicious. He's leaving out information and making weird comments.
Story 6, I talk to my mum once a day 😂 She calls me and asks if I'm alive if I don't call her for one day. I'm in my 30s.
Ok! Seeing Charlotte sitting on the couch with Morgan in this collab has made my life complete!
My mom always said: "Cut off the bad finger, not the whole arm." Every single time anyone told her they were cutting people off and they wanted to cut off people who were close to the person who was the problem.
I can text my brother "Hey, call me please" and in the next 10 minutes I will be picking up his calls. If I texted him anything like: "This is urgent I need you to call me" he would not wait DAYS for calling. No matter where he'd be. He was an hour away when our dog (around 70 pounds, very squirmy and doesn't like being picked up AT ALL) hurt her paw. We were in an accessible area, but very far away from our house and he had the only car so I was STRANDED. I called him. He didn't pick up. I texted "I need you to call, it's an emergency." He called 2 minutes later. He picked us up, we went to the vet and I called my mom. My brother didn't even ask what happened, the only question was if we were okay. I said I needed him to come and he came. There is no way I would ever talk to him again if I called, texted and everyone else in the family did the same thing and he didn't even text back. I feel like it would be a little better if he texted: "Look, we want to have time without anyone interrupting, can I talk later?" After I called the first time. But not doing ANYTHING? He would be a dead man.
Yes, 30 phone calls sounds urgent... however, maybe they're so delulu they thought "Ugh, the family is just trying to be petty." If someone didn't answer 30 phone calls, I would likely be texting that news. Like, well I tried to get a hold of you verbally 30 times and you refused, so, Mom's dead. Come home if you want to be at her burial.
Same! Yeah it's not something you ideally want to say over text but if they don't pick up the phone I wouldn't have another option. I wouldn't have even wanted to take the time to call as many times as OP did at all actually, after that attitude
Is it just me or does anyone get the feeling maybe the controlling wife had hold of his phone and might have cleared the missed call notifications and deleted the texts? That would then explain why the brother is so upset they never told him his mum was dead. In which case the family need to find a way to rescue him from this psychopath.
@AB-ot1pv That was my thought too. Not answering your phone after 30+ phone calls sounds like your partner took your phone.
@@AB-ot1pvwe also don’t know where they went on holidays. Yes he should have answered his phone, however, if they were overseas they may have been out of range. But so far the biggest AH is the wife, it reeks of controlling behaviour.
This was the exact thing I was thinking! Yes they tried, but not a single text or voicemail after all those failed attempts? And the brother found out through a text anyway afterward! So instead of getting the less ideal version while still having time to maybe go to the funeral, he finds out by text after he already missed it.
I definitely think the wife is the AH in the last story because of the added context of knowing she only reached out to him and the kids TWICE in TWO MONTHS. Plus her refusal to allow him to get a sitter or do daycare is wild. She wanted him to work from home while watching the kids totally alone. That’s not realistic. Either work or your own children are getting neglected. Neither of those is acceptable. Its completely reasonable he couldn’t handle one week because he wasn’t JUST being a SAH dad. He was juggling two jobs which is NOT what she does. That’s double the work she does.
Also, him communicating his concerns with her taking 7 weeks and asking for a compromise of a few weeks less and her pushing until he felt he had to relent by using the “don’t you feel I deserve a break?!” excuse is incredibly unfair of her.
I honestly don’t blame him for falling out of love. I sit here at 7 month pregnant and 5 years into a relationship with my husband and I already can’t imagine leaving our baby or him for two weeks let alone two whole month. And if he left us for that long, I’d be DEVASTATED.
Exactly!!! They kept bringing up the single mom thing and that he doesn't understand how hard it is for women but if it's hard for women why can't it be hard for him to? Why is him breaking down over being stressed out working basically two jobs being called "whining"??? Super upset.
I thought the same thing!!!
I absolutely agree for sure!! Additional many or most single Moms who work also have someone who watches the kids for them while they work. A older sibling, trusted family member or idk a fucking babysitter. I’m sorry but if your gone for that long you don’t get to dictate who I have watch the kids I’m sorry but you clearly don’t even care about the kids if you called 2 fucking times in 2 MONTHS! Ridiculous for sure the wife is the asshole.
Right! When you're a stay at home parent, your only job is taking care of your kid(s) and when you're a working parent, your only job until you come home is the work you do for your career. When both parents are home, the work should be shared between the kids and household chores. If only one person is doing work, that's not a partnership and you might as well just be single. If you don't like the arrangement you have, discuss it with your partner so changes or compliments can be made. Its never okay to just neglect your children and partner. Also I don't like how they just jumped to the conclusion that the wife was at rehab based off of one commenters story, she could've been having postpartum or just been a crappy person. Don't assume zebras instead of horses when you hear hooves.
it is weird that she expected him to do her full time job as a STAHM and his full time job working from home and was against daycare, but if she's going away for 7 weeks and this is agreed and planned in advance, why did they not think this is not achievable so we need extra childcare, unless this was her way of showing him how hard she has it everyday?
but also he's an AH for just saying no I don't love you anymore and I don't want therapy, I would need to know more about this and for the sake of the kids I would say they should try therapy, but this is a weird one!
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I adore her! She did so so great for her first pod
@@TwoHotTakesthis is so exciting! Thank you both this is what we needed!!! I would also love to see one with you, Charlotte, and Sophia from okop! And/or you, Justin, Laura 0:12 Alejandra with the whole ok op gang lol I think it would be fun.
Me over here like "wait isn't what she does everyday a podcast?" Haha it's my podcast
omG!!!! the crossover!!!! happy i recently found your podcast this month and ive been a fan on Charlotte for many years now^^ I JUST LOVE THIS
That last story... I don't think it's fair to say that he was struggling doing the same amount of work as a stay at home mom, he was doing full time stay at home parent, and full time work. With 3 kids between 1-4. She was certainly not doing all that work before. 7 weeks of doing full time parenting and full time work shouldn't be expected of any body.
This. And she only checked in twice??? How. HOW?!
Not to mention she's against daycare? Like wtf. You can't just abandon your family like that. He probably fell out of love as a defense mechanism to protect himself if she left again.
Fr! And the guest saying he was "whining" about it????
I love Charlotte but I think they were both totally off base on this one.
I can’t believe that they really blamed the husband. As a sahm I would never do that to my husband!!
1:23:45 I can understand why she would need a vacation BUT 7 weeks is crazy! The difference between the husband is the fact that he wasn’t just the only one caring for their kids.
He was caring for their kids AND working.
The one week was a lot harder for him because he also had to work. It’s hard to get all your work done while you’re caring for 2 very young kids. Add in the pressure to meet all your deadlines because if most people miss their deadlines for 7 straight weeks you will likely get into trouble going into some kind of disciplinary action, losing your higher leveled position, or maybe even your job completely. His wife didn’t allow him to have any babysitter at all. Imagine filming your shows with a one and two year old. They constantly need something from someone. I think you lovely ladies are being a little paranoid.
SHE DIDN’T EVER CALL HIM BACK.
No, I agree with them. We're only getting the husband's side of the story. He is definitely giving off the vibes of someone who is not a hands-on dad. That comment about how his sister suddenly had a purpose in life by becoming the kids' nanny is a red flag. Yes, she's an absolute angel for stepping up when he was overwhelmed, but it's still HIS job to parent the kids, not the aunt's. I do agree that 7 weeks is a long time, but again, we haven't gotten wife's side of the story. Maybe 2 straight years of pregnancies and newborn care really caused a mental breaking point from which it would take months to recover. We've all heard those horror stories of overwhelmed mothers who snap and harm themselves and/or the kids. She was also probably feeling unappreciated. Given how quickly he fell out of love with her, it certainly feels justified that she tried to make him realize how hard it all was by leaving him alone with the kids. Unfortunately, it had the opposite effect. This couple should probably divorce since they are doing such a terrible job taking care of each other.
People on the reddit were wondering if she checked herself into rehab or a mental health facility
I came all way the Apple Pods to rant abt the last story: THIS MAN DISCOVERED WHAT IT WAS TRULY LIKE TO BE A HANDS ON PARENT AND BAILED.
He gets no credit from me. Sure it was not great for the wife to leave for 7 weeks (boo hoo) , but for him see that as a betray and not a moment of reflection on how hard it is to be the default partner is A RED FLAG. This man is NOT a supportive partner.
did he call her at all tho?? he only said that she called him twice
He said she called twice so he never tried calling? In the story he never mentioned trying to call her just seemed like waiting for her to call him
My issue is the woman taking a seven week vacation and people defending the woman for having to take care of her children all the time... yes, she deserves a vacation. Not a seven week vacation, but a decent vacation. But to say he was whining about taking care of his kids, he works full time and she is a STAY AT HOME MOM. He had to assume both responsibilities while she was galavanting around doing whatever with almost no contact. Yes, he was extremely stressed out and I can totally understand why he doesn't feel the same for her anymore
1:25:16 Father of Irish twins here. If their mom left them with me for 7 weeks and the kids were 1 & 2 years old, that’s a full time thing. That’s a LOT of work. No way I could do it alone while also working. But I wouldn’t want to be away from my kids for that long either. If their mother was having mental health issues, I would have asked her about them long before it would get to “7 week vacation” level.
This! 100% all of this! Mother of nearly Irish twins here. My grandpa died when my youngest was 1.5. I was away for a week (because my family lives 2 days drive each way) while my poor husband had to move with babies. He did great, but then he didn't have to work that week as it was moving/vacation before new job week. I would never expect him to work from home and care for our kids by himself even now that they are much older and more self-sufficient.
As additional opinion context, he went to Antarctica for his job for 4.5 months one time when our kids were 4 and 5. He wouldn't have dreamed of doing that when they were 1 and 2. I worked part time, one kid was in full day kindergarten while the other was in half day Pre-K and it was still pretty difficult. I literally could not have worked full time and managed. (Maybe with childcare?). I think this man should try the marriage counseling just to work on holding his boundaries and learn why he was unable to firmly say, "no more than x weeks away." Also, maybe offer the wife other respite options, mental health support, or something to help her cope before agreeing to 7 weeks of vacation!
@@positivecynic365 Reading your story, I totally relate. I mean, I wish my job sent me to Antarctica, that sounds awesome, but that dual baby struggle is real. Childcare-wise, I got very lucky that the grandparents could watch them three days a week, and we could afford day care for the other two work days. If my kids’ mom was feeling run so ragged that she has to take that long of a vacation, then it’s definitely a breakdown of communication, and would be downright obliviousness on my part.
I am wondering if the "Spend Time With Friends" was code for "Spent time with Ex" - and Husband is coming to terms with it (without throwing the mother of his children under the internet bus)
@@GrillinPiratePete that’s very possible
If she was going to be gone for so long back up child care should have been communicated. Like his aforementioned sister, or a temporary nanny, but like I said it has to be thoroughly communicated, as a mother of two kids who are really close in age I could not be as irresponsible or as unbothered as her. He did make it sound like he pawned off his kids on his sister, I hope he helped when he could/his sister really needed him.
I’m actually conflicted with the conclusion of the last story…cuz op said he did work full time and I’m not belittling sahms but it was obviously a huge pressure put on him all of a sudden and the fact that he wife won’t be there for a couple of weeks prolly took a toll on him mentally(who knows🤷🏻♀️) and (without considering the fact that wife might be in a rehab center) I feel like contacting him two times in all of those 7 weeks??? That’s crazyyyyy and also we can’t forget the fact that they came to an agreement only for her to go on the vacation for a couple of weeks…for context let’s just think it was ‘4 weeks’ so after the initial time has passed he prolly slowly gave up of wife bc he already had a support system(the sister) which is mind boggling but I mean it’s fascinating how the human brain works🥹 but yea I think we should give op some grace rather than calling him an ah no matter the situation
Agreed. It sounded like he finally caved to her doing the full 7 weeks but still. To be gone that long and only call twice as nuts. If she was in a facility she still should have told him what was going in. this sounds like a coping strategy to me. i hope counseling works for them both.
Yeah it sounded like they completely disregarded these details when judging the story and they got super stuck on the rehab theory for some reason
@@teamlining7685 so true like if the roles were reversed and the wife had to deal w this we’d def be calling the husband the asshole
@@dinuliedirisinghenot true
Please don’t just think that “OH IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED THEYD BE ON THE GUYS SIDE” like no they wouldn’t. Ive seen almost this exact scenario IRL with a guy going on a vacation and leaving his wife and kids for a long time and everyone was saying the same mental health things that he deserved a break bc mental health is serious, and yes the mom worked. Men aren’t actually that pressured to help their families.
@@Imjustkendall I might have to disagree on that one with you cuz this sounds a lot like a patriarchal society that you live in(most of us do) caused this cuz I feel like us as listeners in the podcast ‘try’ to give both of the parties involved equal treatment as much as we can so I really do feel like we’ll def call him an ah and an absent parent if the roles were reversed
For the last story. I listened with my partner. We both agreed right away that 7 weeks is a little too long. Yeah a break is totally fine but for the children’s ages to be gone that long is insane. They have the worst separation anxiety around those ages. And that first week adjusting is always the hardest, so we weren’t shocked to hear that he was struggling. It takes roughly 2 weeks to start adjusting or figuring out what works best from going to two parents to just one or even just the switch of care takers. We both found it strange that she was so adamant about 7 weeks specifically, almost sketchy. We wondered right away if she was at least keeping in touch or checking in on him, so when we found out that she wasn’t, we were baffled. That really feels like she just abandoned her family. We will have 3 under 3 in June, and we understand how stressful and hard taking care of tiny babies can be but we don’t think that her actions were justified. Also I wouldn’t want to have sex right away with someone who didn’t even keep contact with me. His disconnect is natural. He doesn’t owe it to her for therapy, lol she could’ve used therapy before her break. Maybe there’s lack of information but for now his side seems like NTA for falling out of love.
“I wanna cut her hair” is definitely going to be added to my dictionary of wishing bad upon someone 😂
Mom died sorry is so sad. My partner and I speak to our parents daily. I would never discourage a healthy parent/child relationship. Also, love this mashup… THT and Charlotte! ❤
Is no one else concerned about the young girl who was manipulated and groomed by her mentor? She's obviously still manipulated by him. The power dynamic of their relationship would have me worried about my partner. They should go to counseling and talk about the potential predator in this situation. Has this much older man used his power to manipulate other young girls?😢
Y’all would never be this hard on a mom trying to do it all while her husband was on a 7-week vacation
They're always like this when men write in and I find it very odd. They have no problem calling a woman an A hole who does something messed up can never give a man the benefit of the doubt when he's not in the wrong? It's not always about gender, people can be crappy regardless.
I agree I think they got too caught up in the rehab excuse that is unknown to be true or not and overlooked him watching the kids for the assumed first time alone for 2 months straight while also holding down a full time job. It’s completely unfair to judge him for breaking down on the first week. I would expect the first week to be the hardest, I mean he’s getting the hang of juggling two jobs and you’re gonna judge him for being stressed?? I love morgan but jeez this one was way wrong in my opinion
@@mackenziec4494 Exactly. If the genders were reversed and mom were stressed? Morgan would be praising her for doing her best in a tough situation. I don’t know why she thinks OP should be able to handle all of that at once with no help.
@@mackenziec4494 There is NO evidence she was at any facility.
@@trusuz20 that’s what I was saying. Just the couple of comments saying she MIGHT have been or they had a similar experience where a facility was included
With the irish twins story: i understood it as “my wife and i have separate duties: i bring in income and handle childcare as much as i can, and my wife manages the household and children when i cannot.” I understood it as “im suddenly a single parent with no assistance or backup and im struggling! (As many do) i got help from my sister and we took care of the kids and it wasn’t as stressful.” I think the frustration is 100% valid, especially if there is a *choice* to stay or go and when he asked for the trip to be shortened. If it was a sudden death that would be different, and possibly more difficult, but essentially thats what she did. She pretended to be dead to the family.
100%. I’m a stay at home mom with three little kids and went away for a week last year. I’d rather have every weekend off for two months than be away from my family.
After a year i realized I just needed more support during kids bedtime and I’m able to cope with everything so much more
Oh 100%, it’s extremely rare that both parents are 50/50, there’s going to be a default parent. My husband is EXTREMELY involved, but i wfh with 2 toddlers and if i up and left? He’d be pulling his hair out. It’s a huge adjustment.
Agreed...just having someone around (even if they are working) is better than not there at all. Peronsally, I could never leave my son for more than a week, 7 weeks is very long and only calling twice is bizarre.
Yes!!! I don’t think they are understanding that this man had literally no “off” time my wife and I have a 10 month old and she needed to leave for 1 week for a conference and that was exhausting. Luckily I was able to drop him off at daycare during the week. I would 100% feel completely abandoned if she had taken 7 weeks to just get away from us.
He is so angry that he thinks he has fallen out of love!! definitely needs therapy.
This was a great collaboration with Charlotte! I was totally intrigued and glad to see Charlotte have interaction with you! I love when her and Mike do their own. I got great peeps to follow!
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27:02 There was actually a story on Reddit a while back, where this same scenario happened except it was after the Op had donated and the child had been born.
The parents were friends of Op and they would often drop the kid off with Op so that they could have free time, eventually Op got sick of it and told the parents that they couldn’t keep babysitting for them.
The parents then told the Op that it wasn’t babysitting since it was Op’s child, and they were going to need Op to step up and help them raise the kid and even wanted to get a visitation schedule made for the days Op would have the kid.
Unfortunately you do need to be careful when it comes to this sort of thing, because some people don’t realize that the surrogate isn’t a bonus parent.
That's so messed up
I don't really understand how there can just be no attachment when you help make a child with someone you know and then constantly see that child.
@@teamlining7685 Because you’re not signing up to be a parent, you shouldn’t be held to the same standard as a parent if you’re only providing genetic material.
What happened afterwards?Did OP go to court or smth?becuz me personally I would've cuz ain't no way you telling me to step up when I'm just the surrogate,I don't want nothing to do with that child,it's your responsibility not mine!!
Yep. I was thinking "write up a contract!" about parental rights and child support.
Sexdrawer story: I feel like she is cheating. It took her an hour to come up with "its our daughters", and the daughter is acting strange because her mom asked her to go along with the lie.
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story 5, yeah it happened years ago but she’s talking abt it now, and the way she’s talking abt it it doesn’t seem like it was nothing
Story 3: yes that was a very odd, insane bet. HOWEVER, the mother did willingly sleep with him. Hot take but “low self esteem” isn’t an excuse for your actions, sorry.
Exactly it’s not MILs fault she took the bait though MIL is crazy
Infidelity is awful, but normal
... *making a sex bet* is absolutely unhinged.
@@FirstnameLastnamesinfidelity should not be normal. Completely agree about the mother-in-law being unhinged though. Infidelity is mainly an issue between OP’s parents, whereas the mother-in-law being crazy affects OP and the couple. What kind of crazy thing is she going to do next?!
Story two: I am a bit curious on if the couple actually wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Because I feel like turkey basting, even if you didn’t know insemination kits existed, would be an obvious solution. It is a little strange their minds went to “have intercourse and I’ll watch”
A sandwich bag would have been normal compared
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Story 6 - my husband calls his family several times a week and I talk to them everytime too. Seems very normal to me. Wild that thats seen as out of the norm
Story 1, the meds are probably to help with perimenapause symptoms, they've been married for 25 years, she is probably 50 or so. Lubricil is for 'dryness' issues that can come with horomone weirdness.
And ???? Why is she giving them to daughter..also Lube Exists!
Agreed! And the daughter taking them at 25 isn’t strange! Especially if she’s had children! Vaginal dryness and hormone imbalance is super common!
Yes! This is the part they’re missing. The wife’s reaction is still a bit of an overreaction but I could understand not wanting my dad to know that I have dryness issues at 25 (or any age really). It’s not that they don’t want the dad to know she’s sexually active-she’s 25 of course she is. It’s that they don’t want him to know the details about her sexual health
I don't understand this story. Why isn't the 25 year old daughter buying her own stuff? She's 25, she probably has a job and her own money and suplements don't cost that much. Why is the mom reacting so strongly? It would make sense if the daughter was a teenager and the mom would try to protect her from a more rigid conservative father, but again she's 25. It shouldn't be such a big secret between the parents. The mom could have just explained and the dad could have pretended not to know his daughters business. The story makes no sense at all.
Yeah this was one of the main conclusions in the actual comments on Reddit when I saw this post. Clearly the wife is likely going through early menopause and is uncomfortable/embarrassed to say anything. And I can understand why when the dude tries to corner her in a restaurant to get info and jumps to cheating first when some stuff is missing.
As a mom of actual twins who are now 6... I think the mom was valid in her feelings especially if she was dealing with some kind of postpartum depression. I suffered from PPD myself when my twins were born because I was doing a lot of it alone the first 6 months because my husband was working 3rd shift so the nights were really hard and taxing. So I can understand where the mom is coming from when she says she needs a break... But taking care of more than one baby at a time for anyone is exhausting... Even for the dads. so I feel like the mom was kind of selfish with that vacation. Because he struggled to. But you can't help how you feel. So if he fell out of love with her... He can't help that. Just like she can't help her feelings. they're both right but also wrong. A marriage is a partnership... And once kids come into the mix it is no longer about YOU. it should only be about those babies. They come first. Even in my darkest moments of postpartum... I still put my baby's first. If she did in fact go into a rehab facility, she should have told her husband... Her PARTNER. It sounds like he would have helped her and supported her. That is nothing wrong with adding for help and no one should be embarrassed about it. I do hope things work out for both of them in the end but most importantly I wish the best for those babies.
They definitely need to communicate. He can fall out of love now and eventually fall in love again who knows. And if money was not an issue they definitely should have hired a nanny for those 7 weeks while he was working. IDK why ppl worker than they should.
The man from Story 4 isn't whining... he had a full time job on top of his 24/7 role to manage the household and take care of his kids. I work from home but could never manage my 8-5 while caring for a 2 and 1 year old simultaneously. These children can't care for themselves at their ages either. He's supposed to get a 40 hr work week done during nap times?? And I really think y'all downplayed the TWO calls in seven weeks. I can't imagine how the wife/mom has been feeling the last few years, but she nearly went no contact with her partner for almost two months. She emotionally abandoned them.
No because their take on it is so off to me??? He has two kids under 2 and has a demanding job! Of course he needs help
This!! Flip the genders and everyone would be pissed at the dad for abandoning the family for 7 weeks
And even if she was in a facility, HE didn’t know that
But the fact alone that they're going with the her being in a facility story when that is possibly not the case and the wife is just an awful human
@@vladb2154 since he's the one working he probably also provides insurance for the family so he would know if that's where she went.
I’m not exaggerating when I say you two are the channels I watch the most!!
I typically watch Charlotte’s channel in the mornings, especially on the weekends, and listen to THT to decompress at the end of the day.
The crossover I never saw coming but needed!!
Sorry ladies. The fact you cannot understand how he was handling a demanding job and two toddlers by himself for a week tells me you have never had kids. Single moms DON'T regularly "do this alone." They have daycare providers and family or friends in many cases. He had none of that for that week. That would be nearly impossible, and there is no mention that the wife works outside the home. She did not appear to have a job plus the kids. The wife leaving for 7 weeks is unbelievable to me. A week I would totally understand and support. Seven shows that she was selfish and uncaring. At the ages they are, she missed a lot of their lives and doesn't seem to care about them or her husband.
A lot of women and men are forced to do it alone. It's sad😢
Idk guys I’d probably be pretty distant with my partner if they left me for 7 WEEKS! The rehab thing is a massive reach considering the information OP gave. She literally checked out of their whole family and is shocked that her husband is upset about it??? It sounds like he’s the only one with a job, so working full time AND watching two babies full time because the wife who is not there won’t let you put them in daycare????? That’s INSANE.
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I need more info about story 7. I’d like to know the dynamics of their relationship prior to vacation, pregnancy, 1st vs 2nd child. Post Partum depression is real. I’m trying not to judge based on what I would do because who knows what else was going on.
I don't understand being gone 7 weeks. Only calling 2 times though.
Having Irish twins is hard on both parents. I completely understand that mom would be completely depleted. I think the rehab is a valid possibility, but also a mental health facility. That being said it was too much to ask OP to work full time and take care of two babies at the same time. When I take breaks it’s for a few days and I expect my husband to take a few days off to do what I do and support me taking a break. But that’s a few days. Seven weeks is impossible to support. Ideally I think they could have worked out more regular breaks for her like a weekend a month or a week every couple of months. That would have been healthier for everyone I think. But all of that is canceled out if she needed that time in a facility and didn’t tell him. Sounds like the marriage has more issues.
the fact that they think the dad isn’t doing enough because he needed help taking care of his TWO BABIES while working from home with no daycare or any help is an insane take. Many people with infants who work from home hire a nanny because depending on the job, it is impossible to tend to all the baby’s needs and get any work done. I can’t stand when people who don’t have kids or haven’t been an older sibling or anything give their “hot takes” on these types of stories because they are so out of touch smh
Agreed. A nanny/au pair was essential if daycare was determined by the wife as not an option.
Both need counselling, something more complex seems to be going on.
I agree. I've tried to work from home with ONE five year old and even that was rough sometimes.
I read that as I can’t stand older sibling hot takes and I was like UHM LOL but nvm we good 😂😂😂
Specially when the dad wasnt the primary caregiver! It takes time to know ALL the things your babies need! My husband is an amazing and involved dad, but he still needs reminders and is exhausted after being the only dad with our baby after a couole hours haha
THIS!! I was like poor guy even asked if the vacation could be less time! And she said no! Then after a week of full time work and full time at home parent with two kids under two ofc he had a break down! Not to mention she only called TWICE and then pops back after vacay like nothing happened. I’m sorry but that’s not how marriage or parenting works. I’d probably also want a divorce from feeling so abandoned by my spouse!
I’m sorry, but Story 5? The age gap is one thing and gross, but it’s so irrelevant to the question. No matter what the age of the guy is, if the wife is discussing past sexual experiences with another man and PRAISING HIM??? That’s such a gross overstepping of relationship boundaries. She is actively having a sexual conversation with someone outside of her relationship and has no remorse for that at all. It seems like she was looking to open a full blown sexting conversation with this guy. No trust. No respect. She’s trying to gaslight him about it. It’s unacceptable.
I THOUGHT MY MIND WAS PLAYING TRICKS ON ME!!!! POTATO QUEEN X MORGAN!! The cross over we needed
Oh yeah on story one, OP did confront his daughter who confessed she only took a few of the vitamins, implying that the wife was indeed cheating.
Edit: rechecked the update. After a while of the family being all tense and not talking to one another, OP went to his daughter who ended up breaking down crying. daughter said she only took two vitamins but four were missing. OP gave her a "do you know what this means" look. So probably cheating.
also checking the comments on the update, the two missing vitamins the daughter didnt take were Lubracil or Black Cohosh, which comments are saying are for menopause (quick google search says yeah but idk) so cheating may be a possibility but also not the only answer
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I instantly thought she was cheating. Her major overreaction to the husband & then continues to gas light the husband, calling him untrustworthy. There's definitely something more sus going on here.
Thanks for posting this! I came to see if someone addressed this. I’m guessing they recorded this before those updates came out.
@@emilyemily444and the taking a long time to say anything. She was trying to come up with a story
Maybe the wife even instructed the daugther to cover up her cheating, that would be pretty messed up.
57:32 if she is reminiscing about that on a text it doesn’t matter when, she’s still thinking of and reminding him of an intimate moment that is inappropriate and unacceptable.
The Irish twins story is an Everyone Sucks Here situation. Not for the falling out of love bit, but it's obvious their relationship had some serious flaws before the mom abandoned the family for 2 months. At least from what we've been told, the amount of communication between the wife and husband is nonexistent. If she's struggling with mental health/taking care of 2 young babies all day...there are many steps to take before up and leaving for 7 weeks. Starting with asking for help. And the husband should have noticed things long before if the wife was struggling. He also doesn't sound like he really communicated his feelings regarding her asking to take that long long vacation. It doesn't sound like they loved each other even before he left.
As a trained psychologist we are taught not to confront a client in couples therapy but try to empower the couple to stand up for themselves. Unless it is going to cause harm to themselves or others you are not suppose to confront them. Hopefuĺy the counselor tried to empower the husband and perhaps get the wife to see reason. It can and is a very hard road to walk.
But I've also heard of therapists in psychologists actually calling people out. I mean, are there different ways to approach these issues?
And, if you don't mind me asking, what made you get your PhD and not just your masters? And did you do both? I'm sorry but I'm trying to make that decision right now.
Totally!!
Love seeing this from a counselor. I've seen one too many clinicians who like to take sides, and I often side eye them pretty hard due to that. As a person who often seeks different types of therapy and needs it to function, I would hate to have that be the approach a clinician would use in session.
Plus I don't see how alienating yourself from one client in a partnership- in order to get your own emotions all mixed up in THEIR dynamic to "defend" the other partner- would really help anyone.
It's also important from what I understand to remember that a clinician can be pretty wrong about what they think they're seeing. You might as a counselor have it all wrong, and it would really suck as a client to have a counselor tell you that you're wrong and "call you out", when maybe you're an abuse victim behind the scenes, or there's just a ton more to the story that would change your mind about your defensive feelings of a certain client.
You're there to help us navigate our own relationships, not harm us and get all mixed up in our relationship dynamic.
Hi, I'm a psychologist, too. First off, there indeed is a method to "confront" clients - but not in the way you probably mean. Done so when they are stabilized and in a controlled manner, with phobias or OCDs etc.
But in general, we wouldn't (at least shouldn't) affront you with our assumptions/prejudices, we rather paraphrase or use specific kinds of questions to assist you sorting out your own thoughts and feelings or other people's views or support you defining your solutions resp. goals and such.
Hope I could help a little (and was understandable, English is not my mother tongue).
Okay, story 7 I can see where you guys are coming from with your takes on this but... Dropping 2 YOUNG kids out of their normal schedules with their normal parent that they are used to can make them UNRULY!! I can see how the first week would be a living hell, even the first few weeks being overwhelming for both kids and parent.
Not only that but how can any parent leave their kids for that long!? I know, ppd and all but for a vacation!? No way dude
The way I just clicked out of a Charlotte video to see this on my home screen???? I literally thought I had a stroke. Been watching her Reddit TH-cam stories for ages, and definitely what led me to THT
omg the exact same thing happened to me! i felt like i was in the twilight zone for a sec lol
Omg omg omg my 2 favorite !!! I can’t believe it!! I clicked so fast!! I already heard it on Spotify but here I am again 🥰🥰
Same besides the Spotify part!!!!!!!
Saaaaame. Watching after Spotify to see their faces!!
same
S3: Claire and Brad really read/saw Dangerous Liaisons (or Cruel Intentions) and thought "Yeah, let's do that." What a bunch of awful awful people.
The last story: Seven whole weeks is widl to me. But I'm sorry he guilted his sister into taking care of his kids after a week. The best thing for everyone is divorce here. It sounds like she was completely burned, on top of going through two pregnancies in a year. Also the "getting pregnant after three months," comment? Babe if that.
Im on the husband's side hard on the last story. He felt left in the dust. She abandoned them for 2 months. If she when to rehab she needed to communicate that to her PARTNER
I was thinking rehab too.
Maybe the partner knew, but he called it 'a vacation' on Reddit for anonymity reasons. Like, if someone they know irl found out about the post.
He didn't mention to be concerned about her cheating or anything, and I wouldn't either it my partner was in rehab.
@@willemijn3059 I understand what you're saying and in the case that this was rehab it would definitely change how I perceived it but I'm going off what OP put down and forming my opinion.
The last story: I understand the wife needing a break, but he said no to the Seven week trip, and she went anyways. If the roles were reversed they’d be arguing that the mom who was stuck at home, working full time and taking care of Irish twins should divorce the husband! But they instead argue how the husband should stick with the mom WHO BARELY CONTACTED THEM FOR SEVEN WEEKS! Like what????
And no she wasn’t at a mental facility cause he said she spent money and he’d notice if there wasn’t a money trail in the places she went to!
I like Morgan, but she can be sexist sometimes against men. I’ve seen it multiple times, where I know if the genders were switched she wouldn’t have the same opinion.
Morgan is SUPER misandrist. There's a big difference between feminism and hating men. I think it's expected for him to be exhausted and overwhelmed while working from home and caring for Irish twins young enough to be in diapers. I don't like Morgan, she makes a lot of disrespectful, entitled, judgmental statements...I forget how shitty she is and come back to watch a video after a while and it's always the same.
I was a bit taken aback how they started going off on the dad coz he was struggling, he's the sole bread winner in the family in that moment, she's gone for 7 weeks and it'll be using the money he's earning and left him with the full care of 2 babies and taking care of all the house responsibilities (which with 2 babies there are A LOT). I can understand him breaking down when help was offered 🤷♀️
@@2words1finger64 exactly! And I can understand him starting to fall out of love after his wife completely checked out on their family. What if he needed a break, quit his job and took a 7 weeks vacation, I’m sure the wife would have a problem with that.
if the roles were reversed? you mean if he would have been the one being pregnat back to back and caring for a newborn while also being pregnant i think not. she needed more than a 7 week waykau. he broke down a week in caring for his hicldren while she has been caring fro them 24/7 for 2 years and a week in he is already giving up. i hope they get a divorce and she get remarreid to a real man
the 6th story doesn't make any sense, they tried to contact him several times even hours before the funeral, why would they be the asholes? they tried and he didn't asnwer, it's his problem and in my opinion if this happened to me I would absolutely not ever talk to him and the sister that's trying to appease them because at some point they're going to do it again. The whole problem is to only be available when they want to, that's not family, you help eachother all the time, it's not one sided and it shouldn't be about one person dictating boudaries, the spouse likes boudaries so much right? well op had one and they crossed it, they're done. also, if the sister sides with them she should hang out a little more with them and see how long it lasts before she's thrown away too. I can't fadom the thought of maybe not being on good speaking terms with my mom if she passes, it would destroy me, and somehow they're to blame for his own doing? please
Story 5: I hate when people say “I know I shouldn’t be going through their phone.” I’m fully in the boat that if you find proof of something sus on their phone , it doesn’t matter why you checked in the first place. They have no right to be mad you checked their phone when they only know you checked bc they got caught w something. I’ve never heard of anyone with nothing to hide being mad someone went through their phone.
To me that's definitely a break of trust. I don't think it should be normalized. Obviously if you see something on the screen or something but otherwise I think it's always shitty.
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My partner and I don’t have this issue. I’ve gone through his phone probably 3-4x a year throughout our 7yr relationship, usually when i feel something is off or i can tell he’s lying to me. I always catch him in a lie because we know each other so well that i clock that dishonesty immediately. But it’s never infidelity or like serious lies. Anyways, my point is both my partner & I’s phones are open books. He’s never got upset at me for looking through his, even when i catch him in lies, and I’ve never been upset about him going through mine or reading texts or anything. But we have a really honest healthy relationship so pretty much anything in my phone I’ve already talked about it 😆 and neither of us have social media which i think is so important & keeps your love true and monogamous
Nah, I would be mad if someone went through my phone behind my back and I've never cheated. It's an invasion of privacy, it's a betrayal of trust and it means l my partner doesn't trust me. I'm not against it completely but I think it should be a "gathering evidence" measure. You should already have a strong suspicion not just "I was curious". He didn't mention her doing anything suspicious to warrant that. If you regularly let each other use your phones or you've made a specific phone policy that's one thing but anytime you're sneaking around behind your partners back, that's a red flag and you better be damn sure they're cheating because if they're not then you're the one who betrayed trust. It is annoying when the cheaters who get caught this way act like the snooping is worse than the cheating though.
I remember this story he had a comment that gf was mentally disabled her parents are her carers it was really fkd up . Unless this is a reupload
Agree!!
Story two- Tell them to adopt! Throwing more complications into relationships & it WILL eventually blow up.
yeah i don’t know why they’re against adopting. there are too many babies without families to be going through all this
Yes cause what if she doesn't get pregnant the first time, is that going to be a regular thing monthly till she does?
And what if this couple splits up? She can legally go after him for child support if bio mom winds up alone and caring for the child. There’s not a lot of thought going on here with all parties…
The last story does rub me the wrong way. I had 2 kids 15 months apart and work remotely full time as well. I understand the wife needing a break (not 7 weeks for sure, one week is hard enough for me) but I don't understand the concept of falling out of love with the spouse because you couldn't handle it on the first week. I would potentially say you don't contribute to the household/kids just based of this explanation, and i hear more that you're pissed that your wife "abandoned you" otherwise you would've never fallen out of love. What a joke post. Again i personally can't go a week but there is 100% missing info here and a dad should be able to handle the first week.
The last story... As a single mom, and full time worker... it's most definitely NOT the same to be a stay at home mom, than having to also mantaing a work (and keep up so you don't get fired!). He did need help.
Still, there's something odd about a mom leaving her kids for almost two months. I also have adhd and don't experience missing people like others do, but to be apart from your own kids is a whole different story.
That last story kills me. Hubby and I have 2 kids and as stressful and insane as it can be, I can't EVER imagine leaving them for 7 weeks, let alone only talking to them/him twice in that time. That's sketchy as hell to me. As a parent, when you need a break, you go take a hot shower, go for a walk, go for coffee with a friend or even take a day or two (max!) away. But 7 weeks?! Honestly that sounds like she just wanted to get away and leave all her responsibilities behind, which is probably why she didn't call. Kids need their moms and their dads, but in those first couple years, they tend to need mom a LOT more. Those poor kids were too young to understand why mom wasn't around anymore, and were probably inconsolable. So ya, I get that week 1 would have been insane and dad was exhausted and had a bit of a breakdown. My hubby worked away for a couple months at a time when our kids were young, and let me tell you, there were times I got them to bed and just sobbed while sitting on the living room floor. I didn't have PPD, but stress builds up in your body and sometimes, a good cry is the best reset. That being said, I really dont think that the hubby in that story is out of line at all. He probably began to resent her for leaving him to take care of everything for so long, and realized that if he's doing it all without her, what does he even need her for?!
@user-qk7qc2yv1w I haven't seen OP mention that anywhere in the actual post, and instead just saw other people speculate that's what probably happened. Even if that was the case, though, how did she know a 7 week break from her real life (because that's exactly what it was, she checked out from having any kind of responsibility) would fix it? Seems pretty suspicious to me.
@@R41n3-c3jif this was the case she wouldn’t need a 7 week vacation she should have sought help from professionals for her PPD.
Story 7- Here's what really happened...The wife asked her husband to watch the kids so she could finish cooking or take a shower or a nap...he got pissed because he juat got home from work and just wanted dinner and to be left alone. So he started b*tching about how she's home all day and didn't have it that hard and that anyone could do what she does, which he thinks is nothing...she said bet, I'll take a vacation and you can do it...three days later he is walking around like a zombie and freaking out because he ACTUALLY has to touch his children. He called his sister begging her to help because his wife ran off to have fun and just left him with the kids and house without notice...now his wife is back but because he doesn't want to admit that her job is hard he claims he doesn't love her anymore and tries to paint her as the villian in his brused ego story...and of course he doesn’t "need" her anymore because his sister is doing EVERYTHING around the house that his wife was doing...WITHOUT ANY HELP...
I garuntee if you ask his sister she will tell you she underatands exactly why his wife needed a vacation...
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