in responce to the like! txs that IS the best reason to do it! NOT the ford badge NOT the win ....NOT for the status or the type of win ......for the love of a man that has been a huge part of your family growth(miles) ken did it for carroll, probably the only order that ken ever followed in his short life. RIP amigo you earned it!
Exactly my thought when I was watching the movie. In corporate world, everyone is disposable, replaceable and expandable. Persons can't matter over profits, pictures and PR. I don't know the historical accuracy of Ford executives asking Ken to slow down for their corporate revenge by rubbing the LeMan winning on Ferrari's face but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they did it.
I don't care what the 'experts' and 'historians' say about there not being enough 'evidence' to support what was mentioned in the film. I know what was done with Ken was dirty and unethical. This film is not a documentary, it isn't supposed to be but it does get the essence of the story right, and which is that Miles was wronged because of bullshit corporate politics and marketing. Even though the 'experts' are conflicted about who would have won it was more than clear that it should have been Miles.
@@galaxykidM5 they were supposed to cross basically side by side. Ken slowed down last minute. And feet before the cross what's his face accelerates. You can claim Ken's brake problems all you want but it's false. Ken miles was like 4 laps ahead. It's also likely farrari and Dunlop or whoever the tire manufacturer was. Played a role in why Ken ended up not getting the win.
@@galaxykidM5 he was using the coasting method to try and baby the breaks instead of going full out like he had been. But after the order was given he had been stubborn. He did finally really really slow down for the finish. But then the other car accelerated at least from what it looked like. Yeah they're both cool. But miles deff got robbed.
When it was discussed with officials that they could cross in a dead heat they agreed it could be done. But then they informed Beebe that the other drivers started behind miles he asked if there could be something done to defer the victory to miles. Although they did have their disagreements, everyone around miles, beebe, and Shelby did recognize that beebe most likely did not want miles to lose.
"You know, I was thinking Mr. Ford, wouldn't it be great-" "Well, you see Leo, wouldn't it be great if Ken Miles, one of our top racers, got the title 'The Triple Crowns winner'?" "No. I think a photo is worth much more."
They aren't there to race, they are there to sell cars. Winning races is just the marketing campaign to get cars sold, and doesn't actually matter to the company.
@Kol - Do you understand that there is no official title "Triple Crown Winner"? It is nothing more than a made up title with absolutely no reality connected with it.
@snoopy619ca - Alan Mann, team leader for the British Ford Racing Team decided in advance of each race which driver would win! When Shelby sent Cobra driver Bob Bondurant to the UK for a race, he was told by Mann that he was not to win the race, but fall in behind a Brit driver who he figured was better, and therefore had a better chance of winning. Bondurant couldn't believe what he was being told and snapped back at Mann saying " I don't know about you Brits, but in America, we race to win! "
Regardless what happened in the movie or in real life, You're messing with the sport gods by having an insane idea like that. Just win the race. Just win the game.
Still don’t understand why he didn’t just wait for them to catch up on the lap theyre on and then run even with them across the line physically, but still with a multi lap lead
This happens in rally stages all the time , since the tracks aren't asphalt and every time a car passes through it gets better for the drivers at the end of the stage. There's footage of teams intensionally driving in 1st gear for 20 minutes so they can miss 1sr place overall , so they can drive at optimal conditions at the end of the event . For the record, Shelby should have punched beebe on the nose and give Ken the ' 7000 rpm' plank all over again hahaha.
Sometime you have to suck it up even if you’re not on the same page with your bosses Extreme ownership for you might not be the best decision but it was the one your pencil pushing bosses made so even if you don’t like it you need to respect it. By the way I do t agree with it but it is what it is .
@@bebo5558 Yeah but that picture would help create a memorable image for the company and generate more publicity which would be better for the company.
@@Loulovesspeed i understand Miles is the main character, dont get me wrong, i love the film, but with films like this people will take this as the gospel on what happened
@@matis9118 - Believe me, I understand that only too well! I have made more comments to the multitude of young people that are totally ignorant as to the difference between a movie (made strictly for entertainment) and a documentary (made to inform and educate). I tell them all the same thing, "Movies are for fun and documentaries are for fact!" Outside of that, we have no control over what these clowns think.
3:14 Some say he travelled back in time to meet his grandad. And he doesnt know that iPhone did not exist in 1966. All we know is, that is Ben Collins... aka :The Stig.
And Just Another Quick Thought, If Ken Had Sped Up & Actually Lapped Them A Lap Before The Final Putting Him A Whole Lap Ahead, and They Still Could've Gotten The 1,2,3, Pic With Ken Taking 1st Place & The Other 2 Could've Just Battling It Out For 2nd & 3rd !!!
This scene always annoyed the hell out of me. What Ken should have done was make sure the nose of his car was just a little ahead of the others at the finish line. They would have gotten their photo while not screwing Ken out of what he earned.
Also in real life like the other reply says he finished second but even if he was finished first he would need to be 8 meters ahead. The rule that made him lose was that Mclaren started the race 8 meters behind miles which means he crossed more distance in the same amount of time.
The real issue was McLarens starting position was 8 meters behind Miles. So even tho miles crossed the line first, he was less than 8 meters ahead. Meaning McLaren traveled further and was given the win. It was a rule hardly anyone was aware of in the Ford teams.
This scene made me realize the sheer importance of owning a metal coffee cup. In case a coworker says something incredibly stupid I can throw it and tell him to piss off
A lot of teams ask their drivers to slow down during a race. You have to choose how hard to run in an endurance race. It isn't a drag race where you go as hard as you possibly can for a few seconds. It's striking a balance between pushing hard enough to win, and taking it easy enough to last the whole race. Dan Gurney/Jerry Grant had just been at Sebring, where they were almost certain to win until their engine failed on the last lap and Miles passed Gurney. And then again, at Le Mans Gurney was driving about as well as Miles and would likely have been in contention for the win, until he had another engine failure that took him out of that race. So, yeah, while I don't think much of the attempt for a showboating photo finish, in general if your team has such a commanding lead that it's unlikely for anyone to catch you, having your drivers back off a little to increase your chances of all finishing the race without having a failure or an accident take out your cars absolutely is a sound strategy. Ford was 9 laps up on the first non-ford car. If , just hypothetically, they had run all out, it's at least possible that McClaren/Amon could have had a wreck with Miles/Hulme battling for the lead, and running harder caused the Bucknam/Hutcherson car have a failure that took it out of the race. In whcih case the 1966 Le Mans wold have been a 1-2-3-4 Porsche sweep.
Leo Beebe was an asshole, and watching this movie and realising that He being a jerk asshole villain still won vs Ken was one of the most frustrating thing of all the movies i have ever watched.
I only hated that asshat but as good as from the beginning. The best part was as he got closed in Carroll's office and no-one could hear him shouting :D
@Formata Gfys - Only in your eyes! Ken was obviously disappointed, but that didn't cause him to leave Ford in a rant. Nope, he still wanted to work with them to develop the next generation GT so stop trying to make it sound like Ken was completely left out in the cold. He was getting paid more than he had ever seen, which greatly helped his precarious financial situation. It was far more important for Ken to win the race at hand. The triple crown status was purely secondary, if even that. All you complaining commenters are far more put off by what happened to Ken at the finish than he was. Get over it!
@@Loulovesspeed being paid for the driving, working in development afterwards, AND winning the crown, would have been nice though, wouldn't it? No, they didn't take everything, but they took something.
@@brmbkl - Winning the crown would have obviously pleased Ken, that goes without saying. But Miles was not one to sit and stew over something he couldn't change, but rather he couldn't wait to get on to the next challenge in front of him. I really believe he was more of a realist too. Earning "the crown" didn't put money in his pocket or help him to win his next race, both of which were more important to him than an unofficial made up title like the triple crown. Its value was strictly one of prestige, and Ken wasn't all about that.....he was about winning his next race!
@Jeff Rose - In the movie - yes. In reality - no. Shelby himself said he always was treated with respect by the Deuce and further commented that he thought HFII never got the respect he should have. "He knew a hell of a lot more about how to run the company than he was ever given credit for." Don't try to justify your feelings of the man by letting a non-factual movie influence you!
If he's laps ahead of his teammates running in 2nd and 3rd, why sacrifice the laps and lead to come to the finish line together? It's not necessary for the statement photo op. Miles should have won easily with the symbolic picture.
Yet more evidence that corporations should absolutely ignore everything their "marketing" people say. Sooner or later companies will realize they can hire just 1 person to do the job of saying "hey this is our product here ya go" and firing the rest of the marketing staff, and not spending half their budget on marketing.
@trikstari7687 - You really need to learn all of the many aspects of a corporate marketing function. There are far too many to be operated by one individual. The very success of the Mustang when it was launched in 1964 was the incredible marketing/advertising launch campaign that was put together to help insure the car's visibility! It's launch was a spectacular success which helped it to sell 32,000 Mustangs the first day and over 1,000,000 in a year and a half! As I said, you have a very limited idea of what the marketing function is and how it operates, especially in a large corporation. You also make it sound as though the marketing division runs completely on its own, and that is absolutely not true. They must work together with other interdependent divisions in order to function effectively. I will end by stating that I have a Bachelor's Degree in Business Administration with a major in Marketing, so I believe I am credible in my comments.
@@mikeredline27 in the film yes because unfortunately with Hollywood films like this they've gotta have a villain, in real life the photo finish was still what they wanted HOWEVER Leo and Shelby both agreed to it under the presumption that Ken would still take the win as the officials had said he would, unfortunately it wasn't till after the order was given and they were on the track that the officials came back to say Ken wouldn't be able to take the win, Leo was shocked upset by this revelation because nothing could be done to stop it now. It still sucks that they made him do it but it wasn't this evil scheme like the movie made it out to be.
So much for your "professional" experience! What company did you work for, the creators of "Mad Magazine?" I worked in the home office of a large multi line insurance company and had first hand experience with the senior staff of their marketing dept. They were some of the brightest, most foresighted people I have ever worked with. There are losers working in every aspect of company operations, but to broad brush them all like that is dead ass wrong!
I dont get what beebe got out of taking the win away from Ken?? He could have staged the photo of the 3 cars any time. And when he says mr.ford expects loyalty...it was his damn idea. Did he mean he expects loyalty?? Like a freakin creep. This whole thing beebe had against Ken and Shelby makes no sense to me. Im missing something..He stood to gain nothing. So why the animosity???
💯 Exactly !!! I Could Be Wrong Because Beebe Never Interested Me Enough To Look Into Him But I Don't Think He Was A "Car Guy", He Was An Executive (Snob Dickhead) That Had Prob Gone To College For A Biz Degree & Was Just Lucky Enough To Score A Job At FORD & Was Probably Jealous Of The Both Of Them Because Of The Passion That They Both Had For Thier Respective Crafts & Both Being A Man's Man But Again, This Is Just Speculation On My Part. Iacocca Wore A Tie Too But Had A Love Of Cars, So He Got What Shelby & Miles Were All About Where That Other Executive (Snob/Dickhead) Didn't !!! After All, Someone Just Needed To Be The "Villain", The Guy That You Love To Hate !!! LMFAO
@Asha - It makes no sense to you because............it never freakin happened! As I have said to so many others who act like this movie is nothing but true, try reading the truth instead!
@@ponyxpress001 - And yet, in real life, he was a well educated and respected individual, nothing like the totally false idiot he is portrayed as in the movie. Read instead of relying on a Hollywood movie for the truth, you will come across as more educated if you do!
@@Loulovesspeed aaaand you will come across more educated if you just gave the source for your so called ''truth'', thus giving other people the actual information with respect instead of insulting people like an arrogant fuck.
In order for this to have really worked, all 3 drivers had to be in on it. The retelling from Leo and the other drivers are from the perspectives of people who are in denial or openly know they are lying. Even in post interviews, he bragged about giving ken "counseling" regarding the race. That's just code for screwing him over if he wasn't a team player.
For those who dont know, in reality, Miles was not in first. He was second, with ford cars in the top 3 slots. Leo instructed all the ford cars to slow down. It was a marathon, not a sprint. Plenty of other ford GT40's had already spluttered out and he thought it best to drive for endurance to ensure all 3 remaining could cross the line rather than blow out too. Miles ignored this order and kept his pace, acquiring first after a few more laps. It was at this point, because Miles had ignored the company's previous order, that the three way tie was decided upon. All 3 ford cars were to cross the line at the same time, no doubt with subtle threats towards miles to make him comply this time. Obviously miles was furious because he was first in leman and wanted to keep going, but all the same, the 3 way tie was had. Due to on the spot technicality, which neither ford nor the overseers knew about at the time, it was decided it wasnt a three way tie and that miles wasn't first, because one of the other ford cars started further back (Mclaren), and as such drove further in the same time (the amount he started behind miles). Miles may have been robbed of his first place, but only after he stole first to begin with, disobeying his bosses.
Shelby was team leader. Miles answers to Shelby. "because Miles had ignored the company's previous order, that the three way tie was decided upon." that makes no sense; if their decision for a dead heat photo op wasn't made at that point, why would they be mad that Miles rode all out like he always did. a blow out is only a problem if it actually happens. it wasn't the first time Mile took a (calculated) risk. the best thing to do for a photo op, was have Miles cross the finsh with the Fords, while they were laps behind. would still have the cars in the photo.
Thanx For All The Comments Guys, This Is My Vid & I Appreciate Them !!! That's What Ken Got For Being A F'n Team Player !!! I'm Sorry But There's No "I" In Team !!! F&@k The History Books (Especially The French Ones) Cuz We All Know That It Was Ken Miles That LED The Shelby Race Team To Victory & Finished In FIRST Place !!! Evidently In France "Nice Guys Finish 2nd, & Not LAST" Thank God !!! And Not For Nuthin' But I'm A Ford Guy 💯% & I Own A Dozen Ford's LEGIT, 8 Mustangs & 4 Other Fords (83' GT Vert, 88' Saleen#215, 97' ROUSH Stage 1, 97' S/C Cobra, 98' Cobra Vert, 00' Saleen #228, My Son's 01' V6 5 Speed Coupe, & My DHG 01' Bullitt) As Well As My 04' SVT Focus, 05' Escape XLT, 02' F150 XLT Lariat 4x4, & 05' F250 XL Super Duty But Watching That Movie & Seeing The Way That Ford Let Leo Bebe Treat Ken The Way He Did Had Me SMH & Actually Feeling Ashamed !!! Ford & Shelby Should Actually Produce A "Miles Mustang" Or GT40 Tribute Car To That Man Because I'm My Opinion They Owe AT LEAST That To Ken's Memory & His Family !!! Maybe I'll Even Start A Petition Now For The 60th Anniversary In 2026
The fact is ken did win by a great margin tooo the car held up and he smoked every one. ...His team mate should have showed up at his door step a month Later and dropped off the winning Trophy too his Wife and scampered off his front porch..
"Valtteri, this is James"
Thought this would be here
Lol I feel like a red bull f1 car. Can't escape the meme that is mercedes.
bottas this is toto
"Fernando is faster than you"
Multi 21
ken did it for his love of carroll, that is it! he figured they would be back next year...... history
in responce to the like! txs that IS the best reason to do it!
NOT the ford badge NOT the win ....NOT for the status or the type of win ......for the love of a man that has been a huge part of your family growth(miles) ken did it for carroll, probably the only order that ken ever followed in his short life.
RIP amigo you earned it!
He did it for his family. Swallowed his pride so he could keep providing for them. Had he done what he wanted and won he would have been fired.
@@nicholasgottlieb6729 you and ken buddies were you!
that is kinda IN my earlier remark dont you think!!!
@@willieboy8798 I'd imagine I was as good a buddy as you were with Ken.
@@nicholasgottlieb6729 lol ...troll troll troll your boat
This is corporate bs, but he got the respect of Enzo.
To me that’s the reason miles didn’t snap
Enzo did not go to that race...
@@ignacioherbe681 In real life yes. In the movie, they gave us a nice ending.
That, and he did it because of his love for his family and his love for Shelby. He proved what he had to prove
Exactly my thought when I was watching the movie. In corporate world, everyone is disposable, replaceable and expandable.
Persons can't matter over profits, pictures and PR.
I don't know the historical accuracy of Ford executives asking Ken to slow down for their corporate revenge by rubbing the LeMan winning on Ferrari's face but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they did it.
I don't care what the 'experts' and 'historians' say about there not being enough 'evidence' to support what was mentioned in the film. I know what was done with Ken was dirty and unethical. This film is not a documentary, it isn't supposed to be but it does get the essence of the story right, and which is that Miles was wronged because of bullshit corporate politics and marketing. Even though the 'experts' are conflicted about who would have won it was more than clear that it should have been Miles.
They gave Ken some credit he gets to cross first in reality the second position driver sped up last second and finished ahead of miles.
@@galaxykidM5 they were supposed to cross basically side by side. Ken slowed down last minute. And feet before the cross what's his face accelerates.
You can claim Ken's brake problems all you want but it's false. Ken miles was like 4 laps ahead.
It's also likely farrari and Dunlop or whoever the tire manufacturer was. Played a role in why Ken ended up not getting the win.
@@galaxykidM5 he was using the coasting method to try and baby the breaks instead of going full out like he had been.
But after the order was given he had been stubborn. He did finally really really slow down for the finish. But then the other car accelerated at least from what it looked like.
Yeah they're both cool. But miles deff got robbed.
Absolutely !!!!
When it was discussed with officials that they could cross in a dead heat they agreed it could be done. But then they informed Beebe that the other drivers started behind miles he asked if there could be something done to defer the victory to miles. Although they did have their disagreements, everyone around miles, beebe, and Shelby did recognize that beebe most likely did not want miles to lose.
"You know, I was thinking Mr. Ford, wouldn't it be great-"
"Well, you see Leo, wouldn't it be great if Ken Miles, one of our top racers, got the title 'The Triple Crowns winner'?"
"No. I think a photo is worth much more."
They aren't there to race, they are there to sell cars. Winning races is just the marketing campaign to get cars sold, and doesn't actually matter to the company.
@Kol - I take it that is your version of make it up as you go along! Stupid comments.
@Kol - Do you understand that there is no official title "Triple Crown Winner"? It is nothing more than a made up title with absolutely no reality connected with it.
Who expects their driver to slow down? Ford
@snoopy619ca - Alan Mann, team leader for the British Ford Racing Team decided in advance of each race which driver would win! When Shelby sent Cobra driver Bob Bondurant to the UK for a race, he was told by Mann that he was not to win the race, but fall in behind a Brit driver who he figured was better, and therefore had a better chance of winning. Bondurant couldn't believe what he was being told and snapped back at Mann saying " I don't know about you Brits, but in America, we race to win! "
Regardless what happened in the movie or in real life, You're messing with the sport gods by having an insane idea like that. Just win the race. Just win the game.
I always wished Shelby had punched Leo Beebe, Hollywood plays fast and lose with the facts of every movie they couldn't just this once
@JohnBeebe - Oh, there were more than enough "fast and loose" scenes in this typical Hollywood movie! It certainly didn't need anymore!
I mean there was a scene where an angry Shelby grabbed Bebee by the shirt after the final race, but was pulled back by the pit crew
Still don’t understand why he didn’t just wait for them to catch up on the lap theyre on and then run even with them across the line physically, but still with a multi lap lead
woulda been such a better photo lmao
It’s so dirty what they did to ken . They wanted the headlines Ford wins not ken wins Sebring nascar and lu mont
Ahhh, not quite. The endurance triple crown was for Sebring 12 hrs., Daytona 24 hrs., and Le Mans 24 hrs.
Ah yes, the 24 hours of lu mont.
This happens in rally stages all the time , since the tracks aren't asphalt and every time a car passes through it gets better for the drivers at the end of the stage. There's footage of teams intensionally driving in 1st gear for 20 minutes so they can miss 1sr place overall , so they can drive at optimal conditions at the end of the event .
For the record, Shelby should have punched beebe on the nose and give Ken the ' 7000 rpm' plank all over again hahaha.
Damn I didn't know they released a VHS edition of Ford v Ferrari
That's stupid Corporate leadership for you.
Make the Stupidest decisions. Not really whats best for the Company.
Sometime you have to suck it up even if you’re not on the same page with your bosses
Extreme ownership for you might not be the best decision but it was the one your pencil pushing bosses made so even if you don’t like it you need to respect it.
By the way I do t agree with it but it is what it is .
That Beebe was a fruitcake and a two faced weasle!
I mean to be fair if they did make that picture happen it would be what’s best for the company, just not what’s best for ken.
@@huntertoledo8989 They spent millions for the win, to beat Enzo and bring the glory to Ford Motor Company, not for one picture!
@@bebo5558 Yeah but that picture would help create a memorable image for the company and generate more publicity which would be better for the company.
What the film doesn’t explain is the fact that Maclaren was racing for Shelby American
And the relevance of that?
@@Loulovesspeed well the film acts as though only Ken miles was racing for Shelby American
@@matis9118 Well, Miles is the main focus here with other drivers being sprinkles on the cake.
@@Loulovesspeed i understand Miles is the main character, dont get me wrong, i love the film, but with films like this people will take this as the gospel on what happened
@@matis9118 - Believe me, I understand that only too well! I have made more comments to the multitude of young people that are totally ignorant as to the difference between a movie (made strictly for entertainment) and a documentary (made to inform and educate). I tell them all the same thing, "Movies are for fun and documentaries are for fact!" Outside of that, we have no control over what these clowns think.
3:14 Some say he travelled back in time to meet his grandad. And he doesnt know that iPhone did not exist in 1966. All we know is, that is Ben Collins... aka :The Stig.
And Just Another Quick Thought, If Ken Had Sped Up & Actually Lapped Them A Lap Before The Final Putting Him A Whole Lap Ahead, and They Still Could've Gotten The 1,2,3, Pic With Ken Taking 1st Place
& The Other 2 Could've Just Battling It Out For 2nd & 3rd !!!
This scene always annoyed the hell out of me. What Ken should have done was make sure the nose of his car was just a little ahead of the others at the finish line. They would have gotten their photo while not screwing Ken out of what he earned.
Also in real life like the other reply says he finished second but even if he was finished first he would need to be 8 meters ahead. The rule that made him lose was that Mclaren started the race 8 meters behind miles which means he crossed more distance in the same amount of time.
@@lukebrahler7802 bingo
The real issue was McLarens starting position was 8 meters behind Miles. So even tho miles crossed the line first, he was less than 8 meters ahead. Meaning McLaren traveled further and was given the win. It was a rule hardly anyone was aware of in the Ford teams.
Ken Miles is still the greatest driver ever.
That's up for serious debate
That "yeah" emits so much "high up I don't give a shit" corporate bull
I agree so hard on that one.
This scene made me realize the sheer importance of owning a metal coffee cup. In case a coworker says something incredibly stupid I can throw it and tell him to piss off
For about two seconds I thought the sound was playing through my nonexistent speakers
Beebe is what you call a corporate politician.
Yes indeed, but only in the movie! Leo was a highly respected man and was absolutely the opposite of how he was portrayed in the movie.
Aka sob
@@Loulovesspeedit’s especially sad when you realize that’s adult Walter from secondhand lions playing him
Why did ford even get big considering henry ford avidly supported hitler and kept a picture of him on his desk
For great heros and great cinema, you need a great villain too...
Hata off Josh Lucas... this needed to be said
A lot of teams ask their drivers to slow down during a race. You have to choose how hard to run in an endurance race. It isn't a drag race where you go as hard as you possibly can for a few seconds. It's striking a balance between pushing hard enough to win, and taking it easy enough to last the whole race. Dan Gurney/Jerry Grant had just been at Sebring, where they were almost certain to win until their engine failed on the last lap and Miles passed Gurney. And then again, at Le Mans Gurney was driving about as well as Miles and would likely have been in contention for the win, until he had another engine failure that took him out of that race. So, yeah, while I don't think much of the attempt for a showboating photo finish, in general if your team has such a commanding lead that it's unlikely for anyone to catch you, having your drivers back off a little to increase your chances of all finishing the race without having a failure or an accident take out your cars absolutely is a sound strategy. Ford was 9 laps up on the first non-ford car. If , just hypothetically, they had run all out, it's at least possible that McClaren/Amon could have had a wreck with Miles/Hulme battling for the lead, and running harder caused the Bucknam/Hutcherson car have a failure that took it out of the race. In whcih case the 1966 Le Mans wold have been a 1-2-3-4 Porsche sweep.
Leo Beebe was an asshole, and watching this movie and realising that He being a jerk asshole villain still won vs Ken was one of the most frustrating thing of all the movies i have ever watched.
Beebe was nothing like this. They needed a bad guy.
I think this is the part that i hated Ford more than cancer.... So sad its true......
I only hated that asshat but as good as from the beginning. The best part was as he got closed in Carroll's office and no-one could hear him shouting :D
I hate Ford cause of that and how unreliable they are
@@petertoth3477 - It's a movie, Dilbert. Try reading the truth instead of watching a cartoonish situation that never happened in real life.
Shout out to the cameraman who filmed this movie and had to go back in time and not seen by anyone.
Conclusion: cameraman still doesn’t die.
They took everything he had
@Formata Gfys - Only in your eyes! Ken was obviously disappointed, but that didn't cause him to leave Ford in a rant. Nope, he still wanted to work with them to develop the next generation GT so stop trying to make it sound like Ken was completely left out in the cold. He was getting paid more than he had ever seen, which greatly helped his precarious financial situation. It was far more important for Ken to win the race at hand. The triple crown status was purely secondary, if even that. All you complaining commenters are far more put off by what happened to Ken at the finish than he was. Get over it!
@@Loulovesspeed being paid for the driving, working in development afterwards, AND winning the crown, would have been nice though, wouldn't it? No, they didn't take everything, but they took something.
@@brmbkl - Winning the crown would have obviously pleased Ken, that goes without saying. But Miles was not one to sit and stew over something he couldn't change, but rather he couldn't wait to get on to the next challenge in front of him. I really believe he was more of a realist too. Earning "the crown" didn't put money in his pocket or help him to win his next race, both of which were more important to him than an unofficial made up title like the triple crown. Its value was strictly one of prestige, and Ken wasn't all about that.....he was about winning his next race!
If he was meant to be such a renegade loose cannon it makes no sense that he didn't just go ram it and finish 1st
Love my F-350, but HF2 was a giant DB!
@Jeff Rose - Just curious as to what you think of Carroll Shelby?
@Jeff Rose - In the movie - yes. In reality - no. Shelby himself said he always was treated with respect by the Deuce and further commented that he thought HFII never got the respect he should have. "He knew a hell of a lot more about how to run the company than he was ever given credit for." Don't try to justify your feelings of the man by letting a non-factual movie influence you!
Damn this bebe doll
If he's laps ahead of his teammates running in 2nd and 3rd, why sacrifice the laps and lead to come to the finish line together? It's not necessary for the statement photo op. Miles should have won easily with the symbolic picture.
Yet more evidence that corporations should absolutely ignore everything their "marketing" people say.
Sooner or later companies will realize they can hire just 1 person to do the job of saying "hey this is our product here ya go" and firing the rest of the marketing staff, and not spending half their budget on marketing.
Then what are they going to do with the half-wit sons of all of their ex-business partners and fraternity bothers?
@trikstari7687 - You really need to learn all of the many aspects of a corporate marketing function. There are far too many to be operated by one individual. The very success of the Mustang when it was launched in 1964 was the incredible marketing/advertising launch campaign that was put together to help insure the car's visibility! It's launch was a spectacular success which helped it to sell 32,000 Mustangs the first day and over 1,000,000 in a year and a half! As I said, you have a very limited idea of what the marketing function is and how it operates, especially in a large corporation. You also make it sound as though the marketing division runs completely on its own, and that is absolutely not true. They must work together with other interdependent divisions in order to function effectively. I will end by stating that I have a Bachelor's Degree in Business Administration with a major in Marketing, so I believe I am credible in my comments.
he was secretly working with Ferrari.
I actually kept wondering after his "thoughts" during the race, if he got paid off by Ferrari or something. Spineless little a-hole.
@@petertoth3477 he did everything in his power to fuck over Ford
@@rromero1091 who?
He CAN'T DO THAT!! Teams run under their own discretion. SHELBY is team principal. Beebe can't influence the team principal.
But he did.
Beebe was a prick.
God. Can you guys actually go search what ACTUALLY happened and not react to stupid ass Hollywood?
@@PhillipShadid1981 I knew Shelby and he was clear in his opinion of Ford management. That's first hand knowledge from THE guy. I'll stick with that.
@@mikeredline27 in the film yes because unfortunately with Hollywood films like this they've gotta have a villain, in real life the photo finish was still what they wanted HOWEVER Leo and Shelby both agreed to it under the presumption that Ken would still take the win as the officials had said he would, unfortunately it wasn't till after the order was given and they were on the track that the officials came back to say Ken wouldn't be able to take the win, Leo was shocked upset by this revelation because nothing could be done to stop it now. It still sucks that they made him do it but it wasn't this evil scheme like the movie made it out to be.
such a strong point in the movie
to this day teams ask drivers to slow down.
Would have save Jan from flying into the fence
The issue should have been shared with the whole team not just one..
Toto : Valtteri, err u know what....
This happen's when the BOSS or his subordinarse's see this won't be good for the company and they could loose money
At least they fixed the door…
Yep, Once again, Phil Remington to the rescue!
Josh locus is so damn fine in this movie.
Ford was the villain in the movie, from start to the end.
No. It’s was Leo if anyone.
Nahhh, the villain clearly was depicted as Enzo and his racers, coming across as a Mafia king pin and his followers. Lol
There was a reason why I've always thought ford was a piece of shit and after watching this movie it confirms everything I thought about that company
Barrichello in Austria 2002
I watched that race on tv
Man I wanted Beebe to get his ass kicked this whole movie.
He was nothing like him in the movie.
Haha wooo! Love. Respect
The two actors, disappeared into their characters 🎭
They could have had Ken be at least a lap ahead when they took the photo, but NOOOOOOO.
@Matej_Sojka - You clearly missed the whole idea behind taking this photo!
Run that by me again 🐐🐐🐐
Leo reminds me of Jonah hill
Meanwhile in F1...
In my professional experience heads of marketing have overblown egos and horrible fucking ideas.
So much for your "professional" experience! What company did you work for, the creators of "Mad Magazine?" I worked in the home office of a large multi line insurance company and had first hand experience with the senior staff of their marketing dept. They were some of the brightest, most foresighted people I have ever worked with. There are losers working in every aspect of company operations, but to broad brush them all like that is dead ass wrong!
@@Loulovesspeed Yeah 🙄 These morons think a marketing degree actually means something! 😂😂😂😂
I dont get what beebe got out of taking the win away from Ken?? He could have staged the photo of the 3 cars any time. And when he says mr.ford expects loyalty...it was his damn idea. Did he mean he expects loyalty?? Like a freakin creep. This whole thing beebe had against Ken and Shelby makes no sense to me. Im missing something..He stood to gain nothing. So why the animosity???
💯 Exactly !!! I Could Be Wrong Because Beebe Never Interested Me Enough To Look Into Him But I Don't Think He Was A "Car Guy", He Was An Executive (Snob Dickhead) That Had Prob Gone To College For A Biz Degree & Was Just Lucky Enough To Score A Job At FORD & Was Probably Jealous Of The Both Of Them Because Of The Passion That They Both Had For Thier Respective Crafts & Both Being A Man's Man But Again, This Is Just Speculation On My Part. Iacocca Wore A Tie Too But Had A Love Of Cars, So He Got What Shelby & Miles Were All About Where That Other Executive (Snob/Dickhead) Didn't !!! After All, Someone Just Needed To Be The "Villain", The Guy That You Love To Hate !!! LMFAO
@Asha - It makes no sense to you because............it never freakin happened! As I have said to so many others who act like this movie is nothing but true, try reading the truth instead!
@@ponyxpress001 - And yet, in real life, he was a well educated and respected individual, nothing like the totally false idiot he is portrayed as in the movie. Read instead of relying on a Hollywood movie for the truth, you will come across as more educated if you do!
@@Loulovesspeed aaaand you will come across more educated if you just gave the source for your so called ''truth'', thus giving other people the actual information with respect instead of insulting people like an arrogant fuck.
In order for this to have really worked, all 3 drivers had to be in on it. The retelling from Leo and the other drivers are from the perspectives of people who are in denial or openly know they are lying.
Even in post interviews, he bragged about giving ken "counseling" regarding the race. That's just code for screwing him over if he wasn't a team player.
If i was Ken i would easily just ignore orders and win lemans for myself
And that would have been the last paycheck you ever got from Ford!
Are they in Mexico?
I would never have lowed down not one bit. Id just flip them the bird all the way to the finish line.
Sure glad you weren't driving #1!!!
If I was ken I would have given them the middle finger after how they treated me
But thankfully, you're not him! He had far more class than you do!
Ofc is BB
Curb stomp
Leo Beebe just seemed like a total A-hole. Shelby should have told to eff off and told Miles to carry on.
ken miles did not win leman but shelby raced and won leman one year...so effen sad 4 ken miles
If can throw people off a building leo would be the first
You can't, so who is second? Lol
For those who dont know, in reality, Miles was not in first. He was second, with ford cars in the top 3 slots. Leo instructed all the ford cars to slow down. It was a marathon, not a sprint. Plenty of other ford GT40's had already spluttered out and he thought it best to drive for endurance to ensure all 3 remaining could cross the line rather than blow out too.
Miles ignored this order and kept his pace, acquiring first after a few more laps. It was at this point, because Miles had ignored the company's previous order, that the three way tie was decided upon. All 3 ford cars were to cross the line at the same time, no doubt with subtle threats towards miles to make him comply this time.
Obviously miles was furious because he was first in leman and wanted to keep going, but all the same, the 3 way tie was had.
Due to on the spot technicality, which neither ford nor the overseers knew about at the time, it was decided it wasnt a three way tie and that miles wasn't first, because one of the other ford cars started further back (Mclaren), and as such drove further in the same time (the amount he started behind miles).
Miles may have been robbed of his first place, but only after he stole first to begin with, disobeying his bosses.
Shelby was team leader. Miles answers to Shelby.
"because Miles had ignored the company's previous order, that the three way tie was decided upon."
that makes no sense; if their decision for a dead heat photo op wasn't made at that point, why would they be mad that Miles rode all out like he always did. a blow out is only a problem if it actually happens. it wasn't the first time Mile took a (calculated) risk.
the best thing to do for a photo op, was have Miles cross the finsh with the Fords, while they were laps behind. would still have the cars in the photo.
"For those who dont know, in reality, Miles was not in first. "
which wouldn't have happened, if he continued on like before. right?
Plenty do
The contrast is off but this potato takes pretty clear video
Thanx For All The Comments Guys, This Is My Vid & I Appreciate Them !!!
That's What Ken Got For Being A F'n Team Player !!! I'm Sorry But There's No "I" In Team !!! F&@k The History Books (Especially The French Ones) Cuz We All Know That It Was Ken Miles That LED The Shelby Race Team To Victory & Finished In FIRST Place !!! Evidently In France "Nice Guys Finish 2nd, & Not LAST" Thank God !!! And Not For Nuthin' But I'm A Ford Guy 💯% & I Own A Dozen Ford's LEGIT, 8 Mustangs & 4 Other Fords (83' GT Vert, 88' Saleen#215, 97' ROUSH Stage 1, 97' S/C Cobra, 98' Cobra Vert, 00' Saleen #228, My Son's 01' V6 5 Speed Coupe, & My DHG 01' Bullitt) As Well As My 04' SVT Focus, 05' Escape XLT, 02' F150 XLT Lariat 4x4, & 05' F250 XL Super Duty But Watching That Movie & Seeing The Way That Ford Let Leo Bebe Treat Ken The Way He Did Had Me SMH & Actually Feeling Ashamed !!! Ford & Shelby Should Actually Produce A "Miles Mustang" Or GT40 Tribute Car To That Man Because I'm My Opinion They Owe AT LEAST That To Ken's Memory & His Family !!! Maybe I'll Even Start A Petition Now For The 60th Anniversary In 2026
really
FORD: Fuct Over Rectum Dunderheads
How creative we are, Duffus.
@@Loulovesspeed Lou🖤Luvs💉Speed🥴👍🏼
@@DC05570 - Ha, ha! I would love nothing more than to insult your intelligence. Problem is, there is nothing there to work with! Lol 🤪👎
The fact is ken did win by a great margin tooo the car held up and he smoked every one. ...His team mate should have showed up at his door step a month Later and dropped off the winning Trophy too his Wife and scampered off his front porch..
that Dweeb should have been put in a Locker Noooo he shouldnt of been allowed to be down in the pit worst suggestion ever for a driver