I only spend 45$ on Star Citizen and I have a great time playing it. Start delivering some packages, do some bounty, get some money to rent an ROC and Cutlass Black to go, Minning, save enough money to Get a Prospector, Get in touch with Mining Org. Sell player Quntanium location, Save money Enough to buy a Harbinger, Do VHRT Bounty, Visit Invictus Expo, and get to fly 890 Jump with 10 strangers who I just met in the Expo. It has a lot of issues, game-breaking bugs sometimes and the whole paying real-world money for in-game ship Insurance is weird but I say I've had fun with it for the whole 1-2 months, and For 45$ which is less for some AAA games that I far less enjoy playing. With all this I do hope It got released and everyone got to have the experience like I have
Tbf the “spending real money” bit doesn’t hold solid value. Sure you can do that to get a head start in terms of missions but you can also get that ship through grinding to
@@miltonova9512 IMO right now it takes a certain kind of gamer for it to be fun, as you kind of have to find your own fun. There isn't really much of an actual goal aside from earning money to buy ships, and even then, the occasional database wipe/hiccup can undo some of that progress. *I* personally find it fun. The seamless traversal keeps me grounded and immersed in the game world as I go from place to place to do different contracts. Part of CitCon 2024 was addressing the *motivation* of players to play the game, and talking about giving players more goals and more reasons to do things, so I'm happy for that.
All it did was show that Chris ROberts rather would make another movie than a game, the writing was meh, the action was good and the gameplay was dogshit.
@@MrImmortal709 The first hour of Mass Effect 2 is cutscenes and the most basic gameplay you've ever seen. That's usually how the start of a game works.
Star Citizen is a game I enjoyed playing nonstop for 6 months. Gets stale after awhile but its a game i come back periodically. Its crazy the amount of shit you can interact with and how space travel feels so great. Downside is its graphically intesive so you need a decent pc. Their update last year though helped give people more frames with their new tech which i cant remember the name. It loads persistent item systematically and uses the engine to generate. It really improved my fps Edit: Dont go into this game expecting it to be a star wars action esque game but as a space simulator.
@@geerstyresoil3136 Yes TBH with a good CPU peformance is not bad now. It still gets crazy in areas with TONS of entities or effects such as the clouds on Orison, but there are genuinely no other games that feature anything like those things I just mentioned. Orison is a literal gas giant that you can fly all the way around, with a floating city. The middling performance is to be expected.
I'm from Korea, and I've spent 705 USD on Star Citizen. It still got no official Korean translation. Some says that Star Citizen is a scam. They also point out that some officials in CIG already done some scams. However, What I've seen until now since I first played Star Citizen, This is what I think : Even if this is a scam, it still worth all my money. Also, I think CEO of CIG is kinda daydreamer. Dreamer, who dreams and pursuit rainbow. But, I don't think chasing rainbow is all bad thing. So, I decided. I want to join chasing rainbow. How long for Star Citizen 1.0 to come out to take, well, I don't give a shit. Oneday, they'll catch rainbow. With all development they've done so far, Oneday. I know that they will do it.
Actually a good description of the game and the company :D I do love the rainbow chasing myself, but I feel weird watching citizencon and people clapping at basic systems that existed in other games 20 years ago. Personally I did pledge to the game as well, I hope one day I will be able to experience the entire game
Hey I just want to clear up a few things about wipes, SC does NOT have regular/frequent FULL database wipes any more. However, there ARE partial data wipes, but rarely do they include in game purchased ships, weapons, armor, components, etc (things that are expensive). Back in the pre 3.0 days, SC had frequent full wipes because there was no way for the game data to persist between updates. The last full wipe was for 3.18 because it introduced full persistence which was a complete overhaul of their backend database, they prefer for player data to persist now between updates as it is important data for them to have on player activity. If there is a need to reset some of the player account data, CIG will let players know in advance what will be affected. Most recently we had a reputation resent because they overhauled the reputation system, and the new and old systems had completely different styles of progression. In extreme cases CIG has the ability to select what player data they want to reset i.e. Money, Items, Reputation, etc either game wide or on an account by account bases. For example, there have been a few money exploits recently where players were duping resources and making millions within an hour, CIG was able to ban the most egregious offenders and reset the money balance for others they knew were exploiting as well as remove anything they purchased in game using the exploits. Those of us who did not use the exploits were unaffected by the resets. I have several ships that I purchased in game about a year ago that have persisted. Several I purchased just because I knew a money wipe was coming the following patch, but I also wanted to test if there persistence tech was working as advertised. Since then I've had one ship that was accidentally wiped but was able to get it back after I alerted customer service. that was over 6 months ago now and I have not had any issues since.
This is good to hear. The regular server wipes that delete ships/weapons/gear/etc that you bought through grinding in game currency has kept me away from this game. I'm now seriously considering giving it a shot.
@@peternitti3671 Keep in mind there may (or may not) be more wipes coming with server meshing and economy stuff, but they really try not to. It's not a set schedule either. If they need to wipe to successfully add new tech/keep the economy in place, then that is what they'll do.
@@peternitti3671 As a active player I still caution against joining whilst this game is in alpha. There is still a great deal of instability and bugs that drive me crazy. It's best to watch streamers and gauge if you think you'll be able to enjoy the experience.
Yeah the wipes are only a thing during development. Once the game goes live, and we are no longer playing in Alpha, the credits and ships you grind will persist. Anyone playing the Alpha version will have to acknowledge the fact that they know they are helping provide data for the devs, and the database is subject to partial or complete wipes. None of the items/credits acquired through gameplay, prior to official release, should be expected to carry over to the final release version. I fully expect everything to get one final total wipe right before the official release of the final product. As for paying to excel, buying a bigger ship doesn't really do anyone any good, unless they can crew the ship. Take the Carrack, as an example. Sure, a single player can fly the ship around, but while they are flying, they can't do anything else, including firing any of the guns. You are just a big defenseless target without a sizable crew manning the ship. All they really accomplished was to help fund the game development for everyone.
@@blackeagle_138 won't there be a 1.0 reset when the game is officially released though? So if it's available to all then people can finally know it's time to jump in?
People do not understand the meaning of "scam" until they research "The Day Before" or any NFT game. That being said, Star Citizen isn't really a game people are testing, but more of an entire ecosystem. It's just annoying how disjointed the whole project is.
I've been telling people The Day Before was a scam when the first gameplay video came out, no one believed me. People really need to learn the difference between scripted gameplay and a VFX video render that is made to look like gameplay.
@@Oomy75 It's a sandbox game. That's the nature of sandbox games if you don't make your own motivation. And what does release even mean if we really look into it. It's going to be a live service game even after its "release" whenever that happens. Depending on your persuasion any game that is live service is not released. Or any game that has public access to it is. It's not as simple as release or not at this point with the kind of games that have that label being released means nearly nothing on game quality in this industry
I think it’s wild that this is an insane amount of money and still less money than what’s been spent on gta folks 🤯 wild money. This 730m for Star citizen and squadron 42 though went really into building a whole engine from scratch too, and modernizing it, alongside the servers. Those are huge costs
Dude, GTA V makes over 800 million dollars a year in Shark Cards alone... People who say they have no reason to release the game because they make money from selling ships really have no idea what they are talking about.
Yep. Reality is, very few people actually sit down and think about what goes into making a game (especially SC). From engine to server side systems. You all have to realize that not only Cig are game devs, they also are developing internal tools from scratch.
They didn't build engine from scratch. They bought it from Amazon, then modified it. Also the fact is, it is still not proven that it actually can handle the massive player amount
@@kasparsctheir recent server meshing playtests went from 1000 players' unplayable performance to 1000 players' relatively stable performance in about a week or two of short tests. The playercount will work.
Hey Luke, I must correct you with something. They never said they are content complete, they said that they are feature complete, wich is a bit more early on. And something else, CIG can't risking a failed release like Cyberpunk had, because it would be the death of the whole company, so they make sure it comes out as good as It could be, which is really rare these days. As I Star citizen fan, I like your reviews to see how people outside the dieheart fans see the things and what they are misunderstanding from time to time. Keep up the good work.
And two things you also got wrong is, that there are regular wipes. There are wipes, but only if they really have to. The longest period was around 2 years. The other thing is a thing my people get wrong due to less researching on it, buying ships give you not as a huge advantage as many think. Yes it gives you the advantage to have the ship righ away, but it will not make sense to us them on day one, due to the high (ingame) cost to run them. Also the part which will bring you further in the game, is reputation, which can't be bought and is the same for every player. The Director of SQ42 and SC Rich Tyrer is a huge enemy of pay to win and tries to makes the difference between whales and normal players as possible.
@@Mimosenherkules Insurance in SC is absolutely massive, given how insanely easy it is to lose ships. You bump into something, ships gone. You run into the wrong player, ships gone. You park in the wrong place, ships gone. And it seems they dont even sell lifetime insurance anymore. Not that anyones going to keep playing it for 10 years i guess but still $250 USD to insure a SINGLE SHIP. and not even that big of a ship. This game is exclusively for people with deep pockets, anyone else is just there to entertain the wallets.
What CIG said about SQ42 in 2023 was *not* "content complete". And it is *exactly* because of people passing along mistakes like this that others end up feeling ripped off, lied to, betrayed. CIG said *"FEATURE COMPLETE"* which is an entirely different thing. It means, in game development, that the framework or the product, thee game engine has all of the features they have planned for it to need. Everything from ho systems work, the physics of objects, how materials look under differing conditions, etc. It is a *huge* and *exhaustive* list, usually being 60-80% of the total effort needed on a project, depending on how much effort the next phase is given: Content and Polish cycles. Content is the entirety of any storylines, missions, places etc that make up what most of us think of as the game. It is also what most "story DLC" is composed of. It is not a short effort or time thing if done well. Polish is what fixes bugs. Smooths out performance. Finds those "rarely repeatable" issues that screws over a player who paid full price and now cannot play. It is optimization, and making sure that as many systems and all of their varied configurations can get the most out of hat they have. So telling your viewers that this "is much more in line with CIG's modus operandi" and that a delay between Feature Complete and then release day is a source of frustration they deserve. The fact that you didn't know what Feature Complete actually is (they tried to tell people but no one wants to hear that so they don't) says a *lot* about how ignorant people are in regards to this industry. This is the same as with *every* game out there. And rushing this phase to make ignorant people happy is *exactly* what happened to Cyberpunk. Companies are not responsible for your willful ignorance. CIG has definitely made mistakes. Many of those have been in communication with its backers. And one big one has been in pushing the scope so far without ever drawing the line of "this point will be feature complete" and communicating that, because they (Chris) wanted that line further along. If they *had* drawn the line, might have end up with another Elite Dangerous, or No Man's Sky. However they did press on, so the point is now moot. What matters now is far simpler; they *have* drawn that "Feature Complete" line in the sand. We now know what will be in 1.0 of Star Citizen, and anything else will be in future expansions (as all MMOs have). They won't need a beta test; the PU still running will be that. As to things like insurance and paying real money to get things in game, I point out something to consider: Ships (and gear) bought via pledge are essentially thee baseline/starter version of that product. They are *certainly* not the version of the ship you will *want* to have, because the highest quality ships, components, and gear will all be *crafted* at higher tiers. It is entirely possible that you might get easy access to generating a schematic by owning it from real money... but that doesn't provide the rest of it. The player with their single $45 ship will be able to earn all the things that matter inside the game as well as someone who has purchased things. The shortcut of buying them with real money will be a faster start perhaps when the game launches, but less so as the game progresses and the player crafted items become more available for purchase in game. They have already said they are far less likely to do wipes of any kind beyond consumables going forward, and they haven't yet, though there was a time when they would have for 3.24. Already the model is changing. I've had my c2 for almost a year now, bought in-game. Do *you* want a tier 1 version of the ship that you paid real money for, or a tier 3 chassis with all custom tier 3 loadouts and components that make your ship actually impressive? That give you an edge? That has higher armour value, or lower power draw, or slightly better thrust, or is lighter and handles atmosphere under cargo load better? *THAT* is the grind. The reputation to get the schematics. To find out where to mine the rare mats to make the rare gear that helps mine the rare mats... do you really understand so little about how MMOs work? Or are you looking to get TH-cam clicks and advertising through *Outrage(tm)* to make your OWN money, like so many other content creators. And yes, I am referring to those like Gem Reviews. I believe you are better than that. I think, like most MMOs these days, the big real money expenditure will be in *style.* Different clothes, suits, armour, liveries etc. will end up filling their pledge stores. Once people understand how much less useful pledging a ship is fewer will be. So lets show a bit of integrity and spread *accurate* information. (edited for typos and clarity)
Yeah, the fact that in the stream he also constantly switched between content and feature complete shows that the depth of his knowledge is seemingly shallow. But hey, he has to speak something into his microphone. Same as with the stream recording, I have downvoted this video. He had the chance to correct wrong information he had let out in this curated video, but he didn’t.
I would like to point out that when the initial GTA VI leaks dropped in 2022 the game had already been internally marked "feature complete", if it releases next year without delays that would be at least 3 years.
@@austin962 and that is with an already HUGE existing financial and development support structure. Over a decade for a new indie studio to do a new AAA quality game is reasonable.
I'm an SC outsider, so I don't know any of the details of the economy and how it presently works. I still think the basic premise of the economic concerns Luke raises holds. Some people have spent 1000s of real world dollars on the game, and if in the finalized economy this expenditure doesn't result in some significant in-game progression, then everyone who bought anything is going to be pissed. If a luxury tier 1 ship only takes 5% the amount of grinding as going from nothing to the tier 3 version of that ship, then those players who bought the ship will basically have wasted their money. They will have been thrown under the bus, and new players will not be motivated to buy ships. If, on the other hand, those expenditures do pay off then it makes the game less fun for everyone else, because the whole point is that everyone is co-existing in the same in-game economy.
@@yokofishy If it gives them 2 things, it is a valid payoff. a) the ship to use at the base level that has a permanent warranty (more than on ship in your fleet means you can spawn a backup while your main is on timeout and a baseline is better than a wait) b) access to the schematic (to start the process of grinding out the higher tier schematics; you already have the first one) Warranties are transferable and *rare* they said. So how many you have will become an issue. All pledged ships have a warranty allowing base components instead of just the money from an insurance claim. The pledged ones just aren't transferable. So still useful... but also not pay to win. Pay to *convenience.* Pay to *shortcut.*
Stop repeating misinformation, not only can you literally play it but they've shown more stuff than most games do before a campaign release. So no, it's not a concept.
Huh. Interesting, because I actively play it constantly. Attend in game events and expos. Test fly the new ships, fly for hours to other places and random planets with my friends to mine. Bring it back and sell it. Feel like a game to me Sir. I don’t think you even own it.
They are way too ambitious to a point of actual game they want being impossible to make with current tech. So best they can do is work on parts of it as alpha so they actually know what to do when they can finally attempt to make what they want. Part of me think it's fucking stupid but part of me think it's fascinating to see devs and the community working this hard on a what seems unachievable.
They are really trying not to wipe anymore. Also once you know what to do, "grinding" ships is super easy (for now). I've talked to a few people who reach 10 million in a week or two. The hardest part is being new and not knowing how easy it is to get money.
@@CrispyMuffin2 Not to encourage begging in game chat, but lots of experienced players end up with more money than they know what to do with and are happy to help out new players financially or let them test drive bigger ships. The sheer awe of a new player seeing a massive ship up close for the first time is part of the fun lol
HRTs are head and shoulders above basically every other type of money making gameplay and it's almost certainly going to get nerfed at some point. Last time I ran them with a five man group for 7 hours straight, we all walked away with 10 million credits.
i was surprised about the low prices after just one week of playing, and even with the new balanced prices i think its still a bit cheap. But i guess they don't want to make it too much of a grind for the more casual players.
A slow paced story is honestly fine if the atmosphere is there and it definitely looks to full of it so that's good to see. Also if that's Mark Strong I spotted the casting guys know what they're doing.
mark strong, mark hamil, cavil, gary oldman i could go on for 10 minutes and you would recognize all these names... and the best part is some of them are doing it for the heck of it no payment whatsoever
I spent nothing on Star Citizen, but I watched the full hour of Squadron 42 and what I was most impressed with is that the narrative is actually pretty solid. I have been semi-amused over the years, but I was convinced that they were going to throw all this money at the game, then it was going to be ultra cheesy as hell or something. Nope, that prologue for the game was absolutely amazing. I can't wait to play the full version of the single-player game whenever it releases. It is top tier amazing. Really impressed. I only play single player games.
Release is scheduled for 2026 but it is not clear when exactly. Probably around October. Wouldn't be surprised if they release it at the CitizenCon 2026.
Maybe - but that doesn't negate the obligation for RSI to release something to people who paid money and expect something for their investment. I bought in back in 2018, and was told then SQ42 was roadmap to release around 2020/21. Yet here we are at the end of 2024 and still waiting.....
I've played 1200+ hours of Star Citizen (alpha) in the past year. I signed up in 2015 but it wasn't remotely playable then. After 1000+ hours in Starfield, I found it wanting. I didn't want to go back to EVE so I gave SC another try. I can honestly say that - even in its current state - it is a better game than many so-called AAA releases in the past decade. The sheer scope and beauty alone is impressive. The freedom to climb into a cool spaceship, fly above a planet's surface (the entire surface), fly into orbit and view the planet you just came from, then off into space with no loading screens is amazing. No other game I've played (and I've played a LOT of games in the past 35 years) comes close to the immersion. When it works. Right now, it is buggy and rough. I personally would rather they polished the features and ships they currently have in--game rather than keep promising "new and exciting" features and ships that are obviously going to be years away. Is Star Citizen 1.0 a pipe-dream? Maybe. Is it worth trying - even for $45 in alpha? Yes. While I've dropped a few hundred bucks for new ships, I did so because I wanted to not because it is necessary. Is the game tied to a giant marketing campaign to entice players to constantly buy new and more exciting content. Absolutely. $700 Million+ and counting, the campaign is working. Are the devs (and Chris Roberts) committed to seeing the "grand vision" of the game to fruition? I think they are. It might be another decade, though, and I hope I'm still around to enjoy it.
18:00 the 225$ one comes with lifetime insurance (longer than 10 years). That extra 25$ isn't because of the 10 year insurance, its because the 250$ is the standard edition and the 225$ is the discounted warbond edition, that can only be purchased with new money, as opposed to using store credit from other refunded ships.
Also worth pointing out that the two-pack are two separate variants--the Starlancer MAX and the Starlancer TAC. The MAX is the cargo-focused one and the TAC is the combat-focused one.
They artificialy limited how much you can use your purchased ship, charged extra to negate that mechanic (lifetime insurance) and you think your making a good deal. Why do purchased ships not have lifetime Insurance in the first place?
@@little_lord_tam It's called business, they need to keep the lights on lol. Believe it or not 700m+ is not much over 12+ years considering they have 1k+ devs not to mention marketing. This year they are actually barely breaking even. The insurance perk you get is a benefit for supporting the project early on which is cool and has no downsides now or anytime soon.
@@little_lord_tam Do you expect them to pay their 1300+ developers with IOU notes whenever the game releases? This is the only way this game is getting funded without a publisher.
Luke, the location for Citizencon rotates every year to each of the different CIG locations. From what I remember the location next year is Austin, TX, then Germany, Then Los Angeles, Then UK again. They also have a new location in Toronto, so there's a chance they may have one there one of these years. Just an FYI.
Star Citizen has got to be one of the worst-run scams in the history of gaming. You're supposed to take people's money and then disappear quickly, not spend years and years gradually delivering on an insanely ambitious vision, building a technological marvel one update at a time, and edging ever closer to a fully playable product! Joking aside, I'm hella impressed with what they're cooking over there.
What they are cooking was impressive half a decade ago, now many companies have caught up or even past them on technical levels, server meshing has been done on small scale 5 years ago, now on a level that surpasses SC by Nvidia as SC goes back to a "instanced" system.
@@MrImmortal709games have done server meshing yes, that's nothing new. But show me another game that has completely seamless server meshing, where you can push objects between, see other players and shoot at them, between two seperate servers. A planet can be a seperate server to space in SC, and you can transition between those two servers with no loading. I'm sure there are probably other companies experimenting with thisnsort of stuff, CiG can't be the only one by now, but it's still new and exciting technology.
They said it was feature complete last year, not content complete. That's actually a big difference. Feature complete means the mechanics of the game, all the features necessary to run through it are done. So, like, one example would be fire propagation and extinguishing. Content complete would mean that the game is *done* done. And that was not what they said.
This is one of the most rounded takes on the game I have seen to be perfectly honest. I am a few thousand dollars in to it over the last 12 years so I have a fair few ships. It has to be said though that the ships you get are just rewards for supporting the development of the game. If the project as a whole fails I will be sad, but I have put money into the game because I believe in the vision, and damn, it's looking great right now.
Your's seems to be a very healthy way to look at this. I just bought the base package in 2016, but I can understand why people like to support the development with more. After all, this *could* become the greatest experience for sci fi lovers to ever exist. I do understand some of the criticism though and CIG is by no means perfect. But the latest AAA-catastrophes have shown game development to be a chaotic business and tanking ridiculous amounts of money in development on things that will never see the light of the final product is to some extend unavoidable. I don't think there exists any other way to make a game like star citizen than the one CIG has taken.
Without us buying the ships, this game would not be made like this. No other company with a board of directors would allow this game which is swinging for the moon. Trying to do what no one has yet.
Just a heads up, the server wipes actually very rarely happen anymore, and when they do, they only wipe what they have to. I've still got the same ships I bought in-game about a year ago now
I'm kinda amazed because I still have that salvaged / 'found' Crusader Security Elite armor which was at some point harder to obtain via legal ways anyway. The last armor set I got almost 2 years ago or so. I'm still carrying it in storage. I think they might wipe with 4.0 (pre-release version 4.0, not to be confused with the 1.0, for any 'outsiders' reading this, basically 4.0 will come before 1.0) again next time. If we jump to the conclusion that 2026 will indeed be SQ42 release and if we assume that 1.0 might be deployed some time around or shortly-ish before 2030, and seeing how the last full wipe of gear and money and so on was like ... 2 years ago(?) then I assume we might only see about... 2-3 more full wipes? Give or take? But as the rough joke goes, the amount of wipes to come will always be at least 1 ... until that 1.0 version.
People complain about this game but it's literally $45.... You DONT have to spend thousands like some do lmao Yeah it has a long way to go, but oh well. Still a fun time
@lpk822 man, it just kills me. Like i get the frustration, they keep delaying shit, always excuses, alpha game is buggy as hell (even though is alpha) And people shit on their greedy marketing tactics I get it But again, don't have to spend thousands to enjoy the game $45 and patience, all you need. Just sit and enjoy the ride wherever it takes us lol Take care
Thats the key right there. No one is ever forced to spend more as they develop the way beyond original scope of the game. My friends who have spent "WAY" less than me in the same decade, are playing with "WAY" more than me, simply by playing the game different and/or more. But ED forced its players to by expansions of promised content. Content yet to be seen that was promised 12 years ago. Of the two projects, SC is the biggest scam of the gaming industry!?! I guess "released" gives immunity from such criticism. I could go on for quite a bit of the irony this project gets in criticism when comparing it to that game alone. And from that player base is insane irony. Much more if I include other projects. And ED recently started selling ships to continue funding. We should be grateful for those that can, who choose to give money to this project, instead of the disdain that is so common. I sense envy often. If it wasn't for them, this project would never be possible. The first time in my lengthy life the more fortunate have ever invested in something I want to see happen. The other option is for large corpo funding to keep the player cost low. Right?
what game devs have completely underrated for years at this point is the importance of aesthetics and player investment into lore. Star Citizen is making a great choice here by investing their player base into a storyline of this magnitude and aesthetically its really cool.
They no longer wipe AUEC hangars unless something really messed up on the back-end. Generally the ships that you pay for in-game will be kept between wipes, as well.
The first hour of their single player experience looks more enthralling than anything else in a long time. I’d easily pay $100+ for a fully fleshed out and fresh idea game that has their current multiplayer set in the same universe. Giving a lore and world building in a fun and exciting story mode to get us roleplaying in the multiplayer could be massive and I think it could potentially spawn a whole franchise like Star Wars or 40k if done properly.
Bigger ships = bigger costs of running, bigger insurance fees, fuel and repair costs, so in my opinion buying biger ships with real money will cost you more money in game
@@alex_panthea CIG isn't going to stop people from paying their way into large ship combat. They'll sell NPC crew, AI-modules, and everything else necessary to keep the ships running. Paying to skip the grind is their core business.
@@Shadowcam00They just recently said NPC crews will not be in for 1.0, and AI blades will only be for turrets for now. So at release there will still be no way to properly solo a large ship.
Whilst true, they also have to consider the launch, and obviously their already dubious general public perception. Once a full release comes out, I would reckon that at the very least ship pricing would drop drastically, with most of their income coming from leasing/selling the tools they've made
@@AnymMusic You can say "dubious" perception all you want. They've raised over $700 million while delivering some promises and missing many many others. At this point, nothing is likely to stop em. People just keep dumping more and more in with every single ship that's released. There is zero incentive to stop.
I have yet to hear anyone come up with a better way to fund this project past release, in order to cover costs of servers, and the continued dev of the project. As we players keep hoping and asking for more content. Blame CIG for feature creep, then look at the massive amount of requests for content we players keep making on a daily basis. Irony!?! If we want it, we can have it, with enough money and time. But where is that money gonna come from. Big corpo investors could be a good source I suppose. The current funding model has never forced a player to spend more. Its always been by choice. Come up with another way that will allow that. Rockstar does cash for credits, and I hear they make in a year what CIG has made since SC started dev. But I also here the players complaining about that option. Again, come up with a better way that no one will complain about, even though they are never forced to spend. Ship sales will continue after release. And those that don't have the free time to play it takes to earn a ship will be the ones buying them. We should be grateful for those that can, who choose to give money to this project, instead of the disdain that is so common. I sense envy often. If it wasn't for them, this project would never be possible. The first time in my lengthy life the more fortunate have ever invested in something I want to see happen. How is that other similar project going, that "released" in 2014, and forced its players to buy expansions in order to play with the promised content? Much of the long ago promised content still missing, and will officially never come to be. I hear selling ships is there new way to fund the "released" game.
I want to add some miss conception here : - Server wipe ( Ship, In Game Credits ) only apply because the game is on testing state, once 1.0 release, there will be no wipe. - Bigger ship doesnt mean better ship if only manned by 1 crew, its harder to maintain, and take times much longer to respawn ( if destroyed ) - All real money ship is tier 1, to upgrade it to better tier ( up to tier 5 ) you need to progress it in game
the last point is still bad imo. a big Ship should be valuable. Like an "Holy Shit" moment if you see it ingame. and this moment gets destroyed if you just sell these Ships for real Money.
@@AngryHoplite most of the "holy shit" ships are hull limited, meaning only a certain amount of them are sold whenever they're sold, not to mention they're expensive and you need a LOT of friends to even run them. The biggest ship won't even be buyable on the pledge store
If you get a starter pack and can't save $10. a month to CCU upgrade to the ship you like, then how can afford a PC to play it ? Besides that, the bigger the ship, the harder it is to run. More cost ingame in every aspect, including crew size. A Cap ship crew, will be like herding cats. It will take a disciplined crew to run. Spending more RLM in Star citizen does not = an I win button ...
I've been a backer since 2014. And quite possibly one of Star Citizen's harshest critics. I sometimes feel entitlement to that because of the absurd amount of money I've spent (in the tens of thousands). But sometimes, I become grounded and realize that the effort to create something as unparalleled as Star Citizen is gargantuan in nature, size, and scope. And that it's something that's never been attempted, much less ever done before. I have to admit that after this CitizenCon I am a lot more hyped for the game, and looking more positively towards the future. I have spent 2 years covering this game on TH-cam (obviously on a separate channel) and have referred 498 confirmed game package buyers to it myself. And I would not have done these things if, although frustrated at times, I didn't believe that the game had potential and was able to achieve the galactic scale goals it set out to back in 2012.
Luke, I think they don't want to release in 2025 because GTA 6 will be releasing next year. I don't think any studio wants to be anywhere close to that release. I can't remember the details but any ships purchased with real world money will automatically have some type of insurance. I forgot what level of it it is though. Also, they don't delete your in-game ships very often anymore with new patches. Any earned money and consumables will be gone. Two of the Starlancer various variants will be available next month in November in the in-game IAE event. As far as real money purchases, I buy ships with my money because I work 12 hours a day Monday through Friday and I don't have time to grind for the ships I want. I literally have a few hours on Saturday and Sunday to play if at all. I buy cool ships but that does not help me because I still suck at the game. I have a high-end heavy fighter but I continually get my ass handed to me in combat. I spent $230 on that ship. But I love it. It doesn't help me win anything lol. I just don't want do we have to grind for it if they do do a wipe and take the in-game ships with the wipe. Plus some ships are limited time sales so yeah I'm a victim of fomo on occasion. But Star Citizen is my only vice.
Who cares for the release of GTA VI? There aren't even remotely as many people waiting for Star Citizen as for GTA. Even if Star Citizen ever releases (hint: it won't), it will not even be in the top 10 sales of that year. Regardless of what else releases. It's just not a genre that many people want to play. Get real guys. Nobody who isn't already invested in Star Citizen will be in the future.
@@Tokru86 "There aren't even remotely as many people waiting for Star Citizen as for GTA" yes, that is literally why you DON'T want to launch against such an utter fcking behemoth. Your launch numbers matter a lot for success perception, and so you don't want, say, half of the people who would be interested in SQ42, be hooked in by GTA VI around the same time.
@@Tokru86Wym lol star citizen is one of the most anticipated games ... when it releases. It's a joke right now and everyone knows if, but once the full thing comes out and the features/stability are there, this will easily be one of the biggest games ever
Couldn't have said it better myself. I too worked 70 hours a week, and made good money. So I applied that money to my hobbies and interests. SC being one of them for the same reason you did. I did however recently retire unplanned, and now find myself struggling for a goal to reach in game. So do be careful. One day you may not be working as much. Hooray for base and station building. New goal set to do, just because I can. The really good fighter pilots will honestly tell you, skill wins in a ship almost every time. Like you, I get wrecked a lot in ships so many claim to be good. And often by much smaller and less formidable ships. So those pilots say knowledge and practice practice. But practice takes time, and I really don't like combat gameplay in most games. So I don't like practice. Thankfully I can spend hours even days in game and never have to fire a single shot. I have friends who gladly prevent or avenge my demise. That fomo is real isn't it. Give credit to CIG's marketing team, they do it well. There is some RDR2 content I missed because they used the same tactic. Don't see anyone criticizing them for it.
They said they were feature complete. NOT content complete. In game development, feature complete means that all the core systems & mechanics needed for the game to function are implemented. For Squadron 42 (SQ42), this would include things like flight mechanics, AI behaviors, and core combat systems. Content complete, on the other hand, means all the assets and content like levels, story missions, voice acting, and visual details are fully integrated & polished. Big difference.
So much about this information always leaves me scratching my head about how much research goes into the subject before talking about it. Since so many brought up the issue with feature complete I would like to point out a couple of persistent misunderstandings surrounding SC. 1. SHIPS ARE NOT PROGRESSION!!! CIG has stated it before and they stated it again during Citcon. They consider reputation to be progression. That will allow you to get more credits to play sandbox how ever you want. The ships simply open up avenues to play, but larger ships are not "better" for you. They have cost associated with them to run. The most expensive ships in game take larger crews to run. If you are a Solo player, or if you play with one or two friends, you don't even "need" to get a larger ship that supports this. Also the server wipes are not intentional but related to tech. The plan for 1.0 as you implied you watched it, is to have insurance (recieve credits back) plans for ships you purchased in game and warranty (hull replacement) you can earn. 2. Monetization The desire to stop selling ships outside of starter ships and concepts, is Chris Roberts idea. And it is unlikely that is going to change. What can the sell other than ships though? EVERYTHING ELSE! Already in the store you can by in-game weapons, armor, paints, decoration, and flair. They tested a system in which you can have paid customization for ships (test run done with 300 series). They have not expanded it to every ship but due to how they plan the insurance system to work than they still should be able to bring in plenty of cash for the high number of items they can sell. 3. Most important bit - In game purchases and rentals This is glossed over often, but you are not really required to purchase a ship with real money to enjoy it. In game there are stores that sell the ships and kiosks that allow you to rent ship for a relatively small fee. You start game with aurora and think salvaging or mining is up your alley? Do a handful of basic missions and you will have enough to rent these ships which in turn allow you to make more credits, so you can either rent other ships to try or earn enough to purchase ships you want. Also the community is awesome so just asking in chat people will let you tour or fly a ship in question or group up to make some credits so you can get your desired ship. One of the worst things about seeing SC content is sometimes there is either a lack of information or misinformation that turns the discourse toxic. Of course when people that play or follow along try to explain they get labeled as cultist or trying to explain their "Ship Purchase". It is sad and somewhat telling when people get attacked for trying to clarify a lack of information or misinformation.
The need for fans to write these essays defending their financial decisions is puzzling. One would expect devoted sci-fi enthusiasts to be more informed and rational.
@@Paisa231 Thank you. My fave part about his comment, is the fact that I called out that people were going to post such lame responses at the end and he proves me right. I swear the people who hate on this game are so predictable.
@@718Hokage Why do you assume clearing up misinformation is the same as defending the game. We just want you to have all the correct info so you can come to whatever conclusion about it yourself, not through some twisted recounting of it by a streamer who clearly hasn't done much research into the topic despite it being their job.
@staticneuron I'm not going to fully agree with @718Hokage here, but I'm going to play devil's advocate as a fellow longtime backer who, while generally optimistic about the project, also agrees with a lot of the criticism that is levied (even when it is often in bad faith - though 718Hokage made no real argument which is always disappointing). I'll similarly go point by point here, and won't necessarily disagree with all the points you raise - but I really wanted to make a comment in general contention to your points because I feel most of your 'pointing out persistent misunderstandings' is biased/opinionated, and more interested in swaying people in favor of the project rather than being realistic and presenting primarily facts regarding the project (which is fine to do, but feels misrepresented by suggesting your opinions are factual by saying you are 'combating misunderstandings/misinformation). 1. Agreed with the progression plan as stated in the context of 1.0, but right now - ships are progression, and will be for the foreseeable future, due to the lack of other progression means. We still do not have a projected timeframe when crafting and reputation will come in game, and there are no meaningful money sinks beyond ships currently. Agreed that the server wipes are technical issues - but when it is the current primary progression loop in a paid alpha (antithetical to most alphas which invite testers and provide them with most assets in the game) where their main money maker is selling ships, it's worth criticizing at this time. To that point, I would say that right now larger ships are strictly 'better' if you are playing with friends for similar reasons - but still agreed in the context of 1.0 talk. 2. Agreed that the last we heard, ships will no longer be sold following the release of 1.0. With that said, while yes we can assume that will not change, it's not unreasonable for someone to feel it COULD change given the general number of changes in scope/expectations for the PU over the years. In fact, I feel the community's reaction to Lando's clarification on pledge store insurance is one of relief and satisfaction - with many in my org suggesting this means pledge ships are now effectively underpowered - and I believe this could easily lead to marketing feeling they can then continue selling ships in 1.0. We've had two ships and one rifle sold en masse in the last year alone which we were told would not be released until SQ42's release, and that would have to be earned by completing that game, for an example I feel is at least somewhat relevant. 3. Agreed you don't have to purchase ships with real money to enjoy them. Also agreed the community will generally be willing to take new players around - though new players can tend to not reach out for said help/guidance. I would say the recent economy changes to further enforce the current progression loop of acquiring ships as detailed in item 1 has skewed this against your overall point. You don't have to buy a ship with real money to enjoy it, but many of the ships are now quite a bit more difficult to obtain - and given the very broken state of this current patch (mostly server-side but still fair to point out), it gets that much more frustrating to make marginal gains towards a ship when it's a swipe away, and that FOMO which CIG is preying on is disappointing to see. I certainly agree it is frustrating that the general gaming public is still so aggressively against the project, given you and I have likely had any number of genuinely remarkable, unique and unforgettable experiences with friends in this game over the past few years - but I also think it is fair to meet people where they are and appreciate the perspective that this project has largely earned its reputation, regardless of the toxicity of discourse often had. A lot of the points I tried to raise were for the sake of trying to illustrate that a lot of Luke's criticism and points made in this video were largely contextualized in the current state of the project. I felt he was expressing wishes to see things change come 1.0 that were less to do with nuanced specifics about the game - but general concerns raised by a gamer who, while maybe not intimately familiar with the game, uses the information he does have to poke reasonable holes in what he's presented with, in a mostly charitable and respectful manner. You don't have to be an expert in something to criticize it, you just need to represent yourself as 'not a doctor' and be humble enough to also be open to being corrected. I think Luke did very well in this video, and didn't provide blatant misinformation as his feelings towards things that generally do happen/exist and are accurate in the current project, and fairly analyzed the 1.0 discussion with a critical and concerned lens. I do hope this finds you well and am open to correction or challenge on my thoughts as well - have a good one o7
the funding model is an unfortunate necessary evil. No one in the gaming space would have financed this. The work that goes on the engine alone should be done by Epic or Unity but since "large scale seamless space travel" doesn't sell with the general public, they won't do it because their shareholder will be angry
I agree it's necessary right now, but I'm hoping they'll be able to transition away from it when S42 releases. There is so much other stuff they could do to generate revenue like merchandise, cosmetics, DLC. The soundtrack is awesome! Sell that. I'd buy it
@@kityhawk2000 how would you make a DLC for an MMO? you can't exactly make a gamespace that's locked behind a DLC because that defeats the entire purpose
For my part, and in a certain point of view, you are right and wrong at the same time. If Star Citizen it's a game people want to play as second life, enjoy the universe and so on, the pay to excel is not valid for that kind of player. In other hand because is pvp and pvp experience some will pay extra buck to get the upper hand. So I think it's a matter how do you perceive the experience of Star Citizen. I hope it makes sens in english, I'm from Québec and french is my native language. Good vid by the way, thank you.
Good thing about SC is players can look at the endless feature creep and continual missed roadmap and see what NOT to spend money on. I have dropped some money into the game packages - my advise to someone new - don't spend a dime on this game till it's officially released.
I came in to SC as I have been a fan of Cris Roberts and a die hard Single player, fell in love with project, then we got the PU and now I'm playing with around 20 people all the time since we got access to the PU. It had it's Ups and Downs, but this is the game I always wanted so I'm optimistic, even tho it take more time. lol
I got two weeks of gameplay this month, new player. Each of those days, couldn't wait to play it. There were bugs, but the scale and scope and level of detail and thought in the game is incredible! I could understand why its still in development. However, Thursday Oct 17th, approaching the atmosphere of a planet. Then the game just closed and the launcher started pushing update 3.24.2. i got back in, my ship was deleted, no one could use public transit and I got permanently disconnected. I have been unable to play the game since, with an error that says my character is in a specific server still and i need to wait a few minutes its been 6 days! Its so frustrating, I was hooked.
Unlucky time to start. After crunch time devs are forced to take time off so it takes abit to debug. To make it worse 3.24.2 uses code that is very new to the game as a whole and will be more janky then usual. On the upside the patch will be very short lived before we goto 4.0 and the game changes a lot.
They announced in this year's CitCon, that once they hit 1.0, there won't be anymore wipes. So you won't lose ships bought in-game after that, unless it gets destroyed and you don't carry insurance on it. In fact there hasn't been any wipes for a long while now, not to say it won't happen again before they go to 1.0. I have never quite understood the play to win idea, since there is no winning.
If anyone is looking at trying it right now, please wait a couple days. The current patch is a hot mess and I really would hate for this patch to be your first experience. I think a hot fix is coming tomorrow. o7
Good to know - started playing in 2018 (which was 1/2 playable). Then pirates/cops on you as soon as you left PO - broke game. Falling through elevators in Grim. Xeno was fun but horrible. You need(ed?) a super computer to play and render - and you comment clues me in nothing has changed - still a buggy POS 10+ years later.
@@jondspen The most significant issue today is server stability, plain and simple. When the servers are working well SC today is more stable than it has ever been. Right before this most current patch dropped I played in a three man basically all day long. Not a single crash, not a single 30k, not a single game breaking bug. I haven't fallen through an elevator in years. To say the game has made no progress is grossly disingenuous. They should have made way, WAY more progress than they have, but they've come a long way from 2018. They have been abysmally slow to develop this game either way, and splitting focus between SC and SC42 to me was an unacceptable decision.
@@balzarinemythus50 I always had better performance on AUS server than any other - US server was rocking at like 3am - but any other time not so great. Try 5pm on a Sat night - forget about it. Xeno wasn't bad (late 2021 if I remember), but I think we (TEST) broke the server ramming 890s into the Bengal trying to get it out of the base area...lol. And I agree....SQ42 should and could have been released a LONG time ago. You don't need server meshing and shards for a single player game.
Just watched the intro, and one thing about being able to play the game. You don't actually have to buy into the project at all, as occasionally the game holds "Free Fly" events that allow absolutely anyone to try the game completely free during the event. I believe such an event is coming up soon.
You can buy almost all ships in the game. Its not that you have to purchase that ship. It is an donation and in return the devs give you something back for helping funding. If people are complaining that they spend a lot of money on it then its their bad financial decisions to donate that amount of money.
I agree. Except this game isn’t a publicly traded company. So it makes sense to have larger micro transactions as that is how they fund development. Most MMOs have a monthly subscription. But this does not, so they rely on micro transactions because they also don’t have an overlord giving them money and telling them what to do (Activision, Blizzard, Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, etc)
No game that is for 12 years in an Alpha state does need a yearly convention that cost moths of work and millions but for some reason they do that year after year.
My friends and I used to get together and have LAN parties back in high school. It was awesome. Years later we would get together and have little get togethers with all our PCs again. This was about 10 years ago. I remember back then our friend worrying about upgrading his PC to be able to handle Star Citizen. It cracks me up. I think back then the only thing that was available was the hangar demo. 😅
41:10 to be completely fair with wipes, they aren't an intentional feature of the game like something with Tarkov or Rust, rather they are a symptom of the state of development that SC is in. Wipes are actually very infrequent these days and only occur with very major patches or if something goes very, very wrong. I last played Star Citizen February of this year, and I logged in yesterday and there has been no wipe in that time. There will likely be a wipe soonish, with patch 4.0, as that patch adds the second star system and will change the game massively. But Wipes these days are super infrequent, and CiG are working to make them even less infrequent until there is no longer any need for them at all once the game reaches the 1.0 release that they outlined at this citizencon.
And that's why I haven't played in 3-4 years. Can't deliver a product, and all the "gameplay" is a complete waste as soon as they wipe. 10 Fing years - people change their friends and financial circumstances and whole life every 10 years on average. 10 years ago you bought a $45 ship - now today you bought another for your 10 y/o son hoping one day you two will get to play together, but FYI, you still have another 2 years to wait per the "official" plan, and with history of RSI, you know they won't meet that deadline either.
Your points about in game economy being upset by real world purchases doesn’t really make sense in practice. EVE online has PLEX and Omega and tons of other games have premium subscription models that allow players to excel and make more money in game while still having extremely diverse and successful economies.
The people buying the $400+ ships are really a benefit to you, you can group up with them or call on them for help when needed. Not much of an impact will be made on your personal gameplay if another person wants to purchase a $45 ship or a $400 ship. There will always be something to grind for. You can't just 'purchase' base materials or upgraded QT drives and shields etc.
So I’ve been a SC player/backer for a couple years, at the ‘Citizen Con’ they did last week, the introduced crafting tiers and upgrades that effect ship/item performance. I’ve seen several people suggesting that the ships paid for with real currency should be a lower tier than the ones bought in-game. It doesn’t negate all of the advantage but does at least provide some balance as everyone is likely right and they will continue to sell ships.
As a super miniscule gameplay note, around 35 minutes in you decide to fly down to the planets surface. In previous versions of the game, there was only one flight mode. They separated them now and the one you flew down in is much slower. You can hold B to switch between quantum and regular flight, then short press it to cycle through further options. Quantum flight allows you to fly about 4-5x faster than you did in this section :) Great video! I feel the same about most of what you said. I think if they ever do get rid of ship sales, they will replace it with a subscription cost to the game like every other MMO to cover costs, or offer a large number of microtransactions. Who's to say 🤷♂
Just FYI, the terminology ‘content’ and ‘features’ are two different things in the game dev. Features usually refers to tech requirements for an MVP whereas content is actual gameplay elements that are front facing for players that take advantage of said tech.
Would like to briefly add context that CIG clarified; store bought ships will be Tier 1, meaning that crafted vessels will more than likely always be better even if just one higher tier, however all of that ends up working With that said.. that probably means they won't stop selling the ships either cuz it will always be a shortcut
If anyone considers the staff payroll over the years, and subtract that from the $700 or 730 mill its supposedly cost so far, its easy to see that this is the cost to make a game like this, and they could probably use a little more. And for the ship costs, they retain their value in their store. So, lets say you buy a $40 valued ship, and you play for a month and you want to upgrade to a $60 ship. You can trade your ship in, get $40 store credit and pay $20 more to buy the new ship. If someone saved a typical MMO subscriptions worth every month, they can get from a starter ship to a capital ship in 5-ish years. And in that time, be upgrading to a new ship fairly frequently along the way. It's an interesting alternative to the subscription model.
Hmm, makes sense, not too bad either. I feel like the purchased ships are a way to contribute to the game, and you can stick to buying ships with in-game currency. I'm going to upgrade to a decent money making ship in case I ever need to rebuild lost funds or ships purchased in game, and then just buy ships in-game.
@@austin962 Yeah that's why I have only two ships I've bought with real money. A light fighter (gladius) and a hauler with multicrew capabilities (Zeus mk2 CL). Everything else I want to earn in game. May upgrade my Gladius to something a little bigger eventually but in no rush to
It seems to me that all the required tech have been somewhat figured out. If they can pull this off and figure out a proper model of monetization for release it is going to be absolutely revolutionary.
At 35:20, you were in SCM mode, with a max speed of 225m/s unboosted, 450m/s boosted. You were NOT in NAV mode, in which your top speed *would* have been 1,200m/s, and the journey would have likely been completed in under a third of the time (if you elect not to quantum, at least).
One thing that I should point out in your video, is that on your 'descent' to Arial, you were in SCM-Gun mode instead of NAV-FLT, which means your maximum speed was like 1/10th of what it could be, which is a fair mistake for someone who checks in every so often. A recent patch introduced Master Modes to the game, with SCM-Standard Combat Mode, being much lower in top-speed compared to NAV-Flight mode, which cannot actively use its weapons (or shields) in exchange for much higher top speed. Also wipes rarely happen these days, there was like a two-year gap between wipes, and because of how wipes now work, they RARELY wipe your in-game cash, to the point I can't even remember the last time they did so, which means you can just re-buy the ship even if they have to wipe player-ship-ownership for some reason.
You'd think about 10-12 years there would be some kind of semblance of an actual organized experience. It just seems like an endless stream of ideas that encourages people to throw more money at.
Brother you can literally play the game right now. They just updated with some new tech however so it's a little janky currently, but it's still a cohesive experience. Now whether it currently has fun and engaging gameplay loops is another story, but they have been shifting to introducing more and more gameplay loops and progression in the last year or so
In all honesty that's not even wrong, and I'm saying this as a long time backer and believer in the project lol When they announced the 1.0 release feature set and vision first thing I thought was something like "wow how have been ok not having this until now" because now it's tangible. Before it was totally just a set of features wrapped in a "best space sim ever" bow. Now you can say that this 1.0 release will never happen, and I would disagree, but hey at least we have it now. some of it is ambitious sure but they've released more in the past year than like the last 3 years combined. I'm for one cautiously optimistic. But back to your point. I can fully appreciate that before the announcement of a 1.0 release vision it was exactly. The issue I think was that they have been in the weeds with scope creep for too long. If this all turns out we'll thank them for it though. But this 1.0 release vision is a hopeful thing for me.
To be fair this game is doing many things that have never even been attempted ever before. There is not a single other developer that is doing what star citizen is. It could take another 15 years to fully release and it would probably still be cutting edge
The casting of this for Henry would have taken place right about the time Superman was being started so he wasn't quite who he is now. But yes, he seems to be a celebrity that appreciates true vision of a project.
1:07 yes, kinda, yes, kinda, yes Here is the deal. You can pledge for a starter ship as low as $45 or up to the large numbers that have been reported, your choice, be an adult. The thing is, its the testing phase. Make no mistakes, you will wait to see features, you will wait to see concept ships, you will encounter bugs, some of those bugs will be very unpleasant Its in development, understand what that means.
it is totally up to the player to decide if they want to support what they have created. If you really love the idea the devs have and you want to support there's way to do so, and in return you get things back you can use right away. They don't try to hide that game has problems resources are all over to show the state of the game so if you dont want to support their vision then you dont have to while its in this state. I think a lot of people who say this game is scam don't realize that the entire game engine had to be made from scratch. They had to build the game engine from nothing because no engine on the market could do what their vision was. They are inventing new things never seen at this scale for games too. I really hope they don't trademark or copyright what they make so other developer could build off of it in the future. Seeing what is being made possible in the universe is generally so fascinating from the eyes of gamer. I cant imagine what other developers think when they see what they have accomplished.
A lot of people I know, refuse to touch the game. A lot see the huge prices and base that off of how much it must cost for entry without realizing you can just. spend a rather low amount for what is still a great experience. As for the money spent, a lot also refuse to listen to reason. - They had to restart development a couple of times due to changes and initial engines being unable to handle the desired game. - They are having to develop an entire engine at the same time of developing the game. And on top of that, Squadron 42 is being made at the same time. - money doesn't just equal progress. it definitely got them the budget and the Manpower but it still takes time.
29:21 . This. This is what got me to spend $45 on this game. The idea, the dream of living among the stars as a Space Cowboy-esk Dude, the itch that Star Wars put into me and the itch that i wasn't able to scratch until i tried the game out. Now, i can't play it ofc, cos it's very, very laggy for me, but even that bit of gameplay i did get to enjoy, was exactly what i wanted out of a game such as this. The ability to fly around planets, land wherever, trade cargo, mine in space, do bounty hunting like a Fett, and such. The game is a buggy mess, but it sure is enjoyable when it clicks into the part of the brain that yearns for that Space Life.
Hey Luke, you assume that just because someone bought a big ship they cut a corner. Luckily or unfortunatelly (depending from which angle you look at) that is not the case. Why? Because you will need actual other players to even be able to operate said ship besides flying it. You will have to have engineers and other crew that need to do specific tasks on these bigger ships to keep them operational. Also the running costs are way higher when you have a big ship. So essentially, having a bigger ship means you need to put WAY more time into it to be able to make a profit from it. Plus: When we will all start out, you wont even have enough starting money to operate your big ship that you bought with real money. It will just sit there until you grinded enough money to actually put your big ass ship to some use. And whether or not you will be able to run your ship profitable, thats an entirely different question. So if you look at it like this: SC is definitely not p2w so to speak. Because while you get a big ship, you dont necessarly "win" anything, in fact you have more work on your hands and need to invest a shit ton of time more compared to someone who is simply happy flying their 1-2 crew ship. This aspect seems to be completely ignored when people complain about SC selling ships. These complaints assume that you buy the biggest purchaseable ship in the game (4000$? i dont know exactly) and just get rich ingame? Far from it. This biggest ship will probably need 20-30 people at least to operate, then you have to split profits of course, imagine the time you have to sink in to coordinate all these people. I think the people complaining don't know that you simply cant operate a big ship alone. You can currently, yes, but just because most of the systems are not implemented yet. Thats however definitely not how the game will look once 'released'.
No you won't because the devs confirmed NPC crews won't be in 1.0 and they have reassured solo players they won't be gimped whilst flying large ships due to AI blades. So once again, hopium = nopium, this game mostly exists in the imagination of the backers.
@@Stupoider They didn't reassure backers that they can solo large ships with AI blades. Ships only have a certain number of computer slots so AI blades cannot automate everything, and as of right now they're only planned to work for turrets. For solo players, they're mainly meant for that extra manned turret you have in your ship to fire automatically. This is yet another example of how they have said time and time again that a player will not be able to solo a large ship. No imagination here except for the deluded players that are plugging their ears to this info.
Hey Luke, just a note. At release and still currently you will be able to purchase all ships in game(other than ones in concept) minus a couple capital ships that players won’t be able to buy but build. I personally don’t see it effecting the economy, only real perk is not having to re-grind for them and the warranty If you fail to pay your insurance. Yeah it will be a forever contentious point for players, never going to go away. But I’m sure they will balance the cost of reclaiming ships bought with real money to make it more punishing if you don’t have insurance. But they won’t ever stop selling ships even if SC becomes a monthly subscription like most other MMO’s.
"If" - we're in the endgame or relative endphase of a 'full' release. I'm guessing unless major catastrophe strikes, it'll eventually release with the intended 1.0 features until or by 2030 (which isn't much, even 5 years are nothing)
@@Unknown-ek1ox If 1.0 is supposed to be 50 items but one day you decide "When we got 15 items, we'll call THAT 1.0" it doesn't mean you actually released. Just moved the 1.0 label to whatever you happened to have.
I think they will be happy unless the game ever comes out, because it's pure hype, the hardcore backers have the ideal game in their minds and if it ever comes out that ideal will break
It should be mentioned that during citizencon's presentation on how they would quantify a full release of Star Citizen 1.0, one of the first things they brought up was that there would be no more wipes. They do wipes right now because the game is still in development and they occasionally need to do a hard reset for balancing purposes. That being said, I have not personally had my ships wiped for a very long time; several years I believe.
14:41 yeah the date reveal was a little bit of a mood killer for some of us long time backers but there is a video out there on youtube that compares the hour long video this year to the tease released last year, and there is polishing on the visuals, to a crazy degree Since the quality was a 10/10 this year on those updates, I'm happy to wait to 2026
I hope they improve the FPS combat. I'd like the fights with the Vanduul to be a lot more brutal and fast paced. We saw NPCs getting thrown around and detroyed by them but they seemed a bit passive when fighting the player
@@kityhawk2000 it was the prologue. The opening scene that creates the setting. I think all of the combat was dumbed down to make the prologue harder to fail as a player, so you could watch the movie. I highly suspect the subsequent chapters will drop that approach, and combat will be difficult
Definitely some valid concerns you brought up at the end. Recently had a discussion about this with a friend. The main issue right now with buying ships in game is definitely the wipes, but with their 1.0 plan, those wipes will no longer happen making buying and crafting your ships to keep in game wayy more viable. This brings up the concern of how difficult or lengthy they'll make it to get ships in game to potentially incentivize just buying them for actual money. And if they do stop selling ships, how else would they be able to appropriately fund the studio to keep building on their ambitions? These are exciting times to be a fan, but there's definitely room to be concerned with the future of the game, even with the huge advancements it's been making lately.
I've played Starlancer on PC (and on my Dreamcast) and absolutely loved it. Then came Freelancer and that open world was mindblowing and I spent hours on single- and multiplayer. Both were Chris Roberts games but I heard he got fired from developing Freelancer because it was taking him forever to finish it and he required a lot of money. I bought a ship for about 40 dollars at the start of SC and I used to check in once in a while. What you said Luke; it's a great pitch but for me the content is lacking and development is crazy slow. I also didn't enjoy the fanbase's cultish and addictive tendencies. When the game is released, some years from now, I can see myself logging in and see my 40 buck ship getting destroyed after launch by a 50 dollar missile from a 1000 dollar frigate just for a laugh.
It's always interesting to me how outside gamers looking in think Star Citizen is going to work. You all see dollar signs in everything more than CIG does. $50 missile lmao, does it come with LTI?
They dont just do random wipes because its the point of the game tho, that makes no sense. They wipe because of whatever they are working on at the time needed a wipe... our next wipe is 4.0 people??? When was the last wipe ?
30:53 The deal is that you can choose to buy things in the pledge store if you want, or not and earn them ingame. There is literally no issue here whatsoever. In fact, the point of the game is to play it and have fun, so when you skip that you're missing out, making SC basically Pay to Lose.
The 2 biggest things that came out of CitizenCon is what the full release 1.0 game is intended to be and one of the most boring but important things ever for an MMO system is the Friends and Organizations interface that is the most basic thing in all MMOs. The fact we are 12 years into it and still don't have that basic functionality is mind boggling. But what they showed, is exactly what is needed, and we are glad they are finally addressing it. The downside of course is the "When?" question was not answered, and 1.0 features look like they might take a really long time. SC 1.0 2030? Maybe. It is hard to wait this long and know there is significant waiting ahead.
RSI has really failed the customers. It looks like I will be playing this game with my grandson - just hope I am not dead and not physically/mentally incapacitated by the time I get what I paid for. I could have graduated HS, college, married, and while SC created an engine - I created a human being almost ready to enter High School themselves. RSI isn't curing cancer either....FFS
I think the 100km distance between POI's actually encourages exploring, en maybe the excitement of finding something interesting. I kind of like bits of quiet and nothing in between cool stuff. I remember Skyrim felt like you could walk around for a bit without finding anything, and then when you did find something, the excitement was all the more real.
I think calling it a scam is unfair. I think CIG has done a really bad job communicating realistic expectations to their community and they deserve criticism for that, but when you look at what they are doing its actually insane and it makes sense why its taking so long. They aren't just making a game they are also inventing new tech just to run the various systems in this game. I like to compare this game to GTA 6. Consider that GTA 6 is not nearly as complex as Star Citizen, and yet its taking just as long to develop; and apparently with a development price tag twice of Star Citizen; also consider how much time was lost during Covid. Maybe im delusional, i think Star Citizen is taking the proper amount of time to make, the people who are angry simply forgot that they bought into a game thats still in open development. I also know that someone reading this is gonna be foaming at the mouth for trying to say something positive about Star Citizen.
I think a lot of it is they are having to learn how to do most of the things they promised and perhaps they were too hasty to make these promises without looking at the realistic viability of them. A lot of things took longer than they expected and others were found to not be feasible
Seems like if they would use this as a foundation for a narrative-driven roleplaying game then it would be everything Starfield should have been and more.
OMG GUYS!! It’s never been done before! Give them the time they need to do what we all really want! Most studios take forever and then push out trash that needs 10+ updates to be what they promised! Let them take their time to make a game LIKE NEVER BEFORE!
12 years? Really at a cost of 730 million. No company would let them do that because the odds of it ever making 1 penny is next to impossible. It could be a hit and sell 6 million copies and the company would still go broke. You need a mega hit. Those don't come along every day. At $60 they'd need to sell 12 million and they still don't break even. Not every game is Elden Ring in sells. Good games might sell 3 million. You only need to sell this at a $243 a pop to get 730 million back. Good games are not all mega hits.
@@CaseyLynn-i7u people are GIVING them this money, there's no cost at all. You need to go learn about crowd funding and how bottomless the pit of hope can be.
@@CaseyLynn-i7u I would agree if it was a company giving them the funds but it’s not. Like my friend above says, it’s crowd funded. This game only exists because people believe in it, so trust that it will hit! It will be a stable to the new technological innovation of humanity now. It will be a new standard for years to come! I believe in this game and it’s ok if others don’t…but let’s just see what else they do before assuming it’ll never come out. I’d rather wait a full 20 years (which would be ass) for the “best” game that’s ever been crafted. Then 6/7 for some bullshit we’ve seen before trying to pretend to be what this game will be. Hopefully…👀🫣
@@CaseyLynn-i7u To everyone commenting - WTF does it matter where the money came from? If I paid $45 12 years ago - I don't expect to spend $45 today because my son is now 12 and wants to play with me - except we still have to wait another 2 years for the release. This is a game - not curing cancer - and they do have an obligation to deliver something eventually... (EDIT) preferable before I literally die and leave this planet. Continuous feature creep and Chris's vision of another Rolex is getting to be an old excuse fan bois....
@@jondspen They will deliver something, they actually already have. They continue to show progress…again doing something that’s never been done before takes time. If you’re not wanting to back them, because it’s not like they ever promised a full game right now, don’t back them! The $750 million they’ve raised is from people who believe in the game. If you don’t…be glad you didn’t back it. If you do, then be in excited anticipation for what’s to come. They literally have whole conventions every year showing major progress, again on technology that’s has never actually been used before to this level! Give them time to create the game you want.
SC concept is about living another life "in space". It's very ambitious, but aims at being an alternate life, that's why some people are obsessed with the game.
I have no idea if all the money thrown into this game is worth what it is as of today, but this journey sure is something I would not eexpect to see actually happening I may even finally join the community and give my contribution, whatever it goes to
Yes try out one of the free events, but you don't have to be a backer if you don't want to. You would always have the option to buy the game when it releases proper
Ehhh....it's only $45...but if you're cool with setting $45 on fire (i.e. spend the money and not expect anything substantial) I would say do it. It's a kinda fun cluster F alpha - if that what you expect for 45 bucks, you won't be disappointed. If you bought in back in 2018 and expected them to somewhat follow a roadmap and be playing SQ 42 in 7 years - you are going to be VERY VERY VERY disappointed.
What was available for the last couple of days after the Citcon was an essentially unplayable game where every server lagged by up to 2 minutes and/or server-crashed within 20 mins regular.
Luke unfortunately you skipped over the 1.0 discussion right to endgame. Detailing what they’re targeting for a launch version of the game for the first time is a very important topic and more tangible right now than endgame content. The video for this part of the presentation was just uploaded and it is called The Stars My Destination: Star Citizen 1.0. Edit: Spare me the “CIG doesn’t deliver” comments. Yeah, duh, we all know what they say and what actually happens are two different things. I’m not saying any different or defending them. I’m saying that if you’re going to talk CitizenCon then it’s important to talk about CIG outlining their plans for 1.0 because it’s the first time since the scope of the game massively increased that they have done that. For everyone following the project this was the most important part of the convention but most of the coverage is skipping over it.
The important thing about 1.0 is how little of the game it will have in it, dozens of things still missing and NPC crew and advanced NPC behavior is not even on the list and already confirmed to be not a priority and getting worked on sometime after 1.0
@@jondspen Again, something Luke would address in discussion. I’m not white knighting, I’m just saying that CIG outlining their intentions for 1.0 should be part of this discussion.
@@jondspen For example, Star Citizen originally planned to launch with 100 star systems and now it’s 5. Don’t you guys think that is worthy of mentioning that is this discussion? That was my intention.
Hey Luke, If I remember rightly, the in-game ships getting wiped with new patches was a bug they are still trying to fix. Also, they have two versions of the Star Lancer, and one is coming out in the next patch next month with IAE. I worry about the end game with Orgs as most Orgs have multiple of the biggest capital ships on their accounts which could completely ruin the game as people may not have the chance to build up bases or stations before the systems get locked down by them but I hope the game just gets enjoyed by everyone. It was such a bad idea to announce SQ42 when it is still 2 years away and they didn't even say that this was the definite release date they just said they feel confident that they will hit this. But saying I still love the game and backed in 2016 so any progress is good news.😂
$730,000,000 funding divided by 22,828,453 players = $31.97 per player. So that again divided by, let's say, 10 years is like $3.19 a year. Well they used every penny very good I would say. People waste more money on gambling etc. then in Star Citizen. After 1.0 no wipes anymore. And it is: planet (some with moon) - solar system - galaxy - galaxy clusters in different sizes - universe. We will never have galaxies or above in Star Citizen (ok, never say never). Still a good video tho - keep 'em coming.
"People waste more money on gambling etc. then in Star Citizen." This is a misnomer. By your logic if we divide all potential gamblers by total money spent gambling, it would also be extraordinarily low. That is not the reality; both have their whales, and both aren't necessarily healthy for industry or personal wellbeing. While Star Citizen is a programming marvel and game I personally enjoy, there are individuals who - for lack of a better term - have a problem. The issues that self-evidently arise from how we conduct business is not mutually exclusive to our responsibility to improve ourselves. Some arguments range from "Oh, the rich buy fancy cars, why not sell fancy ships?" to a resounding "Who cares." It seems people are really missing the point.
I've been saying it for years. I can absolutely see this game being my dream tribute game to Cowboy Bebop. I can just picture it so easily, drifting in orbit of some random moon, anti-gravity floating in a cargo hold of my ship with the old school sax jazz playing.
I feel like I should mention that the server wipes you were speaking of will stop once the game is released which was explicitly restated during the presentation speaking about their 1.0 release features. They only do server wipes currently because its alpha and they are still testing things.
Until the game actually comes out, I don't trust anything they really show honestly. Until then it's just another "The Day Before" for me. All I've seen so far are trailers with famous actors and what is currently available seems like Microsoft Flight Sim on steroids.
@@BlueBloodPenn Mate the game will never be finished. It's a constantly evolving project with an evolving engine. What you could say is they haven't released a game with a completed game loop, which is what they plan on doing for Star Citizen 1.0. But that is years away
@@Icerz. When I said finished game I mean a complete game, so yeh it’s the same thing. Technically you could argue that no game is ever finished as you can constantly add new things, work just stops on them.
As a backer I think it's a minor win. It's a win because they managed to finally lock into a vision so people KNOW what they are paying for. Minor because it's gonna take many years to implement all they went for, and that considering server mesh is solved soon-ish.
That’s always been the MMO core concept. RuneScape started it all. (Edit) I’m really only waiting for the single player because Star citizen is going to a lot more time consuming than other MMO because of travel time.
@@thomasrial4444 True but for most MMO your not dealing with similar constraints that you are in the real world. There is also goals in MMO, beating a boss etc. Something to achieve or surpass other than just get a bigger thing. I don't see the point or need to ever buy a big ship when it's going to cost so much to run it or just keep it. What does that big ship let you do that the smallest ship doesn't?
@@astronotics531 So as a player, why would I want to be in an organization on a large ship? And if they are designed for organizations, why should a player care at all about trying to work towards a bigger ship since I can't do anything with it myself?
@@BlueBloodPenn There are literal capital ships that serve different functions such as Trade, Crafting (like crafting huge bases on planets or in space), Salvaging (bigger ships allow you to salvage faster and store larger amounts of salvage for trade), War ships (basically naval aircraft carries with good defenses and large weapons), Supply ships (moving materials, ammo, weapons, food, crafting materials, vehicles, components) across the universe, I'm sure there are more examples. The point is that these larger ships act as hubs for an organization/large group of players to operate in and out of to progress in the game in whatever way the choose. These large ships are not designed for a solo player or even a small group. At citizen con they also showed one of the "bosses" a massive sandworm that's bigger than a capital ship that takes a large group of players to take down and then you loot the "boss" for crafting materials and other items you can trade for money. This was just one of many more large scale "bosses" to come. Not to mention there is already the Idris capital ship battle in game which is technically a group boss along with other large events that are put on throughout the year. Obviously at the moment the only real point is to make money to buy better ship or vehicles, but once these things make it to the live branch we will have bases which will be the start of large scale wars between orgs with their 1,000 player plus server meshing and many other gameplay opportunities to explore the verse. There is so many things that could really make this game stand out and the hardest part is waiting for them to make it into the game. It sucks but they really are getting closer and closer every year. I'll wait as long as it takes to get this game where it plans to be. There is nothing like it, even in its current state.
41:25 I can't remember the last full wipe, it has been so long. Usually in wipes you loose consumables, cargo, jobs (ammo, drinks, food, commodities, refinery orders) but keep you ships, components, weapons, armour and either you are given an amount of credits based on how much you played the last patch and your current balance or you just keep your current balance of credits. That has been the case for quite some time now. That's why you will see players on reddit and ingame reminding everyone to sell their cargo etc before a patch is expected.
@rayaan6951 as was stated in the video. Your earned items can and will be reset. If I buy it with real-world money, I get to keep it forever. Also 300 to multi thousand dollar items is monetization
@@insanelyberserk3778 The wipes have actually become quite rare. I bought several ships in the game and still own them, even though several patches have already been released. The money is still there too. Everything that has to do with ‘long-term persistence’, so to speak (and that includes e. g. ships, armour or weapons), was not wiped lately. And as soon as SC reaches version 1.0, wipes will be a thing of the past anyway, if not sooner. And as for your ‘300 to thousands of dollars’ statement: You only need one starter pack and it's enough if you only have the cheapest one. Everything else is optional! Means no one's forced to pay extra or something like that.
They need to transition into only customisation microtransactions and away from selling ships. People who bought them as supporters keep them and it would not longer ruin to ingame economy after release, just like in other MMOs.
Not sure if skins can pay for all the AWS costs without a monthly subscriptions like other MMOs. Unless they sell skins for hundreds of dollars like POE. What is the difference at tht point. People who will still buy new ships with real money dont have time to grind or compete with players who grind.
I only spend 45$ on Star Citizen and I have a great time playing it. Start delivering some packages, do some bounty, get some money to rent an ROC and Cutlass Black to go, Minning, save enough money to Get a Prospector, Get in touch with Mining Org. Sell player Quntanium location, Save money Enough to buy a Harbinger, Do VHRT Bounty, Visit Invictus Expo, and get to fly 890 Jump with 10 strangers who I just met in the Expo.
It has a lot of issues, game-breaking bugs sometimes and the whole paying real-world money for in-game ship Insurance is weird but I say I've had fun with it for the whole 1-2 months, and For 45$ which is less for some AAA games that I far less enjoy playing. With all this I do hope It got released and everyone got to have the experience like I have
Tbf the “spending real money” bit doesn’t hold solid value. Sure you can do that to get a head start in terms of missions but you can also get that ship through grinding to
is the game actually fun? like is there actually a story or do you just do whatever, bounties and trading, is that NPC stuff or real people?
@@miltonova9512 some quests have a narrative to them and mutiple parts but the main narrative story is S42
@@miltonova9512 IMO right now it takes a certain kind of gamer for it to be fun, as you kind of have to find your own fun. There isn't really much of an actual goal aside from earning money to buy ships, and even then, the occasional database wipe/hiccup can undo some of that progress. *I* personally find it fun. The seamless traversal keeps me grounded and immersed in the game world as I go from place to place to do different contracts. Part of CitCon 2024 was addressing the *motivation* of players to play the game, and talking about giving players more goals and more reasons to do things, so I'm happy for that.
no steam no buy
The first hour of Squadron 42 was enthralling. It's epic space military combat and echoes games like Halo but in a new exciting way.
All it did was show that Chris ROberts rather would make another movie than a game, the writing was meh, the action was good and the gameplay was dogshit.
@@MrImmortal709 it was the prologue + tutorial so of course it's not going to be incredible gameplay yet
@@MrImmortal709 The first hour of Mass Effect 2 is cutscenes and the most basic gameplay you've ever seen. That's usually how the start of a game works.
With equally mediocre writing, full of stereotypes and cliches that weren't interesting anymore ten years ago already....
@@MrImmortal709 prologue + tutorial not being an epic peak action gameplay? NO WAY!
Star Citizen is a game I enjoyed playing nonstop for 6 months. Gets stale after awhile but its a game i come back periodically. Its crazy the amount of shit you can interact with and how space travel feels so great. Downside is its graphically intesive so you need a decent pc. Their update last year though helped give people more frames with their new tech which i cant remember the name. It loads persistent item systematically and uses the engine to generate. It really improved my fps
Edit: Dont go into this game expecting it to be a star wars action esque game but as a space simulator.
I run the Vulkan renderer with frame generation and I see fps around 100-200 fps depending on the scene. This is on a 7900XTX with a 5800X3D
@@geerstyresoil3136 Yes TBH with a good CPU peformance is not bad now. It still gets crazy in areas with TONS of entities or effects such as the clouds on Orison, but there are genuinely no other games that feature anything like those things I just mentioned. Orison is a literal gas giant that you can fly all the way around, with a floating city. The middling performance is to be expected.
Yup, a space simulator...fun...😅
@@JahonCross the issue being?
@@MaciekRodriguez
It's boring.
I'm from Korea, and I've spent 705 USD on Star Citizen. It still got no official Korean translation.
Some says that Star Citizen is a scam. They also point out that some officials in CIG already done some scams. However,
What I've seen until now since I first played Star Citizen, This is what I think : Even if this is a scam, it still worth all my money.
Also, I think CEO of CIG is kinda daydreamer. Dreamer, who dreams and pursuit rainbow. But, I don't think chasing rainbow is all bad thing.
So, I decided. I want to join chasing rainbow.
How long for Star Citizen 1.0 to come out to take, well, I don't give a shit. Oneday, they'll catch rainbow. With all development they've done so far, Oneday. I know that they will do it.
Actually a good description of the game and the company :D
I do love the rainbow chasing myself, but I feel weird watching citizencon and people clapping at basic systems that existed in other games 20 years ago.
Personally I did pledge to the game as well, I hope one day I will be able to experience the entire game
Hey I just want to clear up a few things about wipes, SC does NOT have regular/frequent FULL database wipes any more. However, there ARE partial data wipes, but rarely do they include in game purchased ships, weapons, armor, components, etc (things that are expensive). Back in the pre 3.0 days, SC had frequent full wipes because there was no way for the game data to persist between updates. The last full wipe was for 3.18 because it introduced full persistence which was a complete overhaul of their backend database, they prefer for player data to persist now between updates as it is important data for them to have on player activity.
If there is a need to reset some of the player account data, CIG will let players know in advance what will be affected. Most recently we had a reputation resent because they overhauled the reputation system, and the new and old systems had completely different styles of progression.
In extreme cases CIG has the ability to select what player data they want to reset i.e. Money, Items, Reputation, etc either game wide or on an account by account bases. For example, there have been a few money exploits recently where players were duping resources and making millions within an hour, CIG was able to ban the most egregious offenders and reset the money balance for others they knew were exploiting as well as remove anything they purchased in game using the exploits. Those of us who did not use the exploits were unaffected by the resets.
I have several ships that I purchased in game about a year ago that have persisted. Several I purchased just because I knew a money wipe was coming the following patch, but I also wanted to test if there persistence tech was working as advertised. Since then I've had one ship that was accidentally wiped but was able to get it back after I alerted customer service. that was over 6 months ago now and I have not had any issues since.
This is good to hear. The regular server wipes that delete ships/weapons/gear/etc that you bought through grinding in game currency has kept me away from this game. I'm now seriously considering giving it a shot.
@@peternitti3671 Keep in mind there may (or may not) be more wipes coming with server meshing and economy stuff, but they really try not to. It's not a set schedule either. If they need to wipe to successfully add new tech/keep the economy in place, then that is what they'll do.
@@peternitti3671 As a active player I still caution against joining whilst this game is in alpha. There is still a great deal of instability and bugs that drive me crazy. It's best to watch streamers and gauge if you think you'll be able to enjoy the experience.
Yeah the wipes are only a thing during development. Once the game goes live, and we are no longer playing in Alpha, the credits and ships you grind will persist. Anyone playing the Alpha version will have to acknowledge the fact that they know they are helping provide data for the devs, and the database is subject to partial or complete wipes. None of the items/credits acquired through gameplay, prior to official release, should be expected to carry over to the final release version. I fully expect everything to get one final total wipe right before the official release of the final product.
As for paying to excel, buying a bigger ship doesn't really do anyone any good, unless they can crew the ship. Take the Carrack, as an example. Sure, a single player can fly the ship around, but while they are flying, they can't do anything else, including firing any of the guns. You are just a big defenseless target without a sizable crew manning the ship. All they really accomplished was to help fund the game development for everyone.
@@blackeagle_138 won't there be a 1.0 reset when the game is officially released though? So if it's available to all then people can finally know it's time to jump in?
People do not understand the meaning of "scam" until they research "The Day Before" or any NFT game.
That being said, Star Citizen isn't really a game people are testing, but more of an entire ecosystem. It's just annoying how disjointed the whole project is.
It’s not disjointed at all
It's not a game period! It's just one large tech demo with nothing to do that will NEVER get released
I've been telling people The Day Before was a scam when the first gameplay video came out, no one believed me.
People really need to learn the difference between scripted gameplay and a VFX video render that is made to look like gameplay.
@@Oomy75 And grass is red.
@@Oomy75 It's a sandbox game. That's the nature of sandbox games if you don't make your own motivation. And what does release even mean if we really look into it. It's going to be a live service game even after its "release" whenever that happens. Depending on your persuasion any game that is live service is not released. Or any game that has public access to it is. It's not as simple as release or not at this point with the kind of games that have that label being released means nearly nothing on game quality in this industry
I think it’s wild that this is an insane amount of money and still less money than what’s been spent on gta folks 🤯 wild money. This 730m for Star citizen and squadron 42 though went really into building a whole engine from scratch too, and modernizing it, alongside the servers. Those are huge costs
Yup, someone here gets it.
Dude, GTA V makes over 800 million dollars a year in Shark Cards alone...
People who say they have no reason to release the game because they make money from selling ships really have no idea what they are talking about.
Yep. Reality is, very few people actually sit down and think about what goes into making a game (especially SC). From engine to server side systems. You all have to realize that not only Cig are game devs, they also are developing internal tools from scratch.
They didn't build engine from scratch. They bought it from Amazon, then modified it. Also the fact is, it is still not proven that it actually can handle the massive player amount
@@kasparsctheir recent server meshing playtests went from 1000 players' unplayable performance to 1000 players' relatively stable performance in about a week or two of short tests.
The playercount will work.
Hey Luke, I must correct you with something. They never said they are content complete, they said that they are feature complete, wich is a bit more early on.
And something else, CIG can't risking a failed release like Cyberpunk had, because it would be the death of the whole company, so they make sure it comes out as good as It could be, which is really rare these days.
As I Star citizen fan, I like your reviews to see how people outside the dieheart fans see the things and what they are misunderstanding from time to time.
Keep up the good work.
And two things you also got wrong is, that there are regular wipes. There are wipes, but only if they really have to. The longest period was around 2 years.
The other thing is a thing my people get wrong due to less researching on it, buying ships give you not as a huge advantage as many think. Yes it gives you the advantage to have the ship righ away, but it will not make sense to us them on day one, due to the high (ingame) cost to run them. Also the part which will bring you further in the game, is reputation, which can't be bought and is the same for every player. The Director of SQ42 and SC Rich Tyrer is a huge enemy of pay to win and tries to makes the difference between whales and normal players as possible.
holy copium, the game is absolute garbage
@@Mimosenherkules Insurance in SC is absolutely massive, given how insanely easy it is to lose ships. You bump into something, ships gone. You run into the wrong player, ships gone. You park in the wrong place, ships gone.
And it seems they dont even sell lifetime insurance anymore. Not that anyones going to keep playing it for 10 years i guess but still $250 USD to insure a SINGLE SHIP. and not even that big of a ship. This game is exclusively for people with deep pockets, anyone else is just there to entertain the wallets.
@@dau4738ok
lol
What CIG said about SQ42 in 2023 was *not* "content complete". And it is *exactly* because of people passing along mistakes like this that others end up feeling ripped off, lied to, betrayed.
CIG said *"FEATURE COMPLETE"* which is an entirely different thing. It means, in game development, that the framework or the product, thee game engine has all of the features they have planned for it to need. Everything from ho systems work, the physics of objects, how materials look under differing conditions, etc. It is a *huge* and *exhaustive* list, usually being 60-80% of the total effort needed on a project, depending on how much effort the next phase is given: Content and Polish cycles.
Content is the entirety of any storylines, missions, places etc that make up what most of us think of as the game. It is also what most "story DLC" is composed of. It is not a short effort or time thing if done well.
Polish is what fixes bugs. Smooths out performance. Finds those "rarely repeatable" issues that screws over a player who paid full price and now cannot play. It is optimization, and making sure that as many systems and all of their varied configurations can get the most out of hat they have.
So telling your viewers that this "is much more in line with CIG's modus operandi" and that a delay between Feature Complete and then release day is a source of frustration they deserve. The fact that you didn't know what Feature Complete actually is (they tried to tell people but no one wants to hear that so they don't) says a *lot* about how ignorant people are in regards to this industry. This is the same as with *every* game out there. And rushing this phase to make ignorant people happy is *exactly* what happened to Cyberpunk.
Companies are not responsible for your willful ignorance.
CIG has definitely made mistakes. Many of those have been in communication with its backers. And one big one has been in pushing the scope so far without ever drawing the line of "this point will be feature complete" and communicating that, because they (Chris) wanted that line further along. If they *had* drawn the line, might have end up with another Elite Dangerous, or No Man's Sky.
However they did press on, so the point is now moot. What matters now is far simpler; they *have* drawn that "Feature Complete" line in the sand. We now know what will be in 1.0 of Star Citizen, and anything else will be in future expansions (as all MMOs have).
They won't need a beta test; the PU still running will be that.
As to things like insurance and paying real money to get things in game, I point out something to consider: Ships (and gear) bought via pledge are essentially thee baseline/starter version of that product. They are *certainly* not the version of the ship you will *want* to have, because the highest quality ships, components, and gear will all be *crafted* at higher tiers. It is entirely possible that you might get easy access to generating a schematic by owning it from real money... but that doesn't provide the rest of it.
The player with their single $45 ship will be able to earn all the things that matter inside the game as well as someone who has purchased things. The shortcut of buying them with real money will be a faster start perhaps when the game launches, but less so as the game progresses and the player crafted items become more available for purchase in game. They have already said they are far less likely to do wipes of any kind beyond consumables going forward, and they haven't yet, though there was a time when they would have for 3.24. Already the model is changing. I've had my c2 for almost a year now, bought in-game.
Do *you* want a tier 1 version of the ship that you paid real money for, or a tier 3 chassis with all custom tier 3 loadouts and components that make your ship actually impressive? That give you an edge? That has higher armour value, or lower power draw, or slightly better thrust, or is lighter and handles atmosphere under cargo load better?
*THAT* is the grind. The reputation to get the schematics. To find out where to mine the rare mats to make the rare gear that helps mine the rare mats... do you really understand so little about how MMOs work? Or are you looking to get TH-cam clicks and advertising through *Outrage(tm)* to make your OWN money, like so many other content creators. And yes, I am referring to those like Gem Reviews. I believe you are better than that.
I think, like most MMOs these days, the big real money expenditure will be in *style.* Different clothes, suits, armour, liveries etc. will end up filling their pledge stores. Once people understand how much less useful pledging a ship is fewer will be.
So lets show a bit of integrity and spread *accurate* information.
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Yeah, the fact that in the stream he also constantly switched between content and feature complete shows that the depth of his knowledge is seemingly shallow. But hey, he has to speak something into his microphone.
Same as with the stream recording, I have downvoted this video. He had the chance to correct wrong information he had let out in this curated video, but he didn’t.
I would like to point out that when the initial GTA VI leaks dropped in 2022 the game had already been internally marked "feature complete", if it releases next year without delays that would be at least 3 years.
@@austin962 and that is with an already HUGE existing financial and development support structure.
Over a decade for a new indie studio to do a new AAA quality game is reasonable.
I'm an SC outsider, so I don't know any of the details of the economy and how it presently works. I still think the basic premise of the economic concerns Luke raises holds. Some people have spent 1000s of real world dollars on the game, and if in the finalized economy this expenditure doesn't result in some significant in-game progression, then everyone who bought anything is going to be pissed. If a luxury tier 1 ship only takes 5% the amount of grinding as going from nothing to the tier 3 version of that ship, then those players who bought the ship will basically have wasted their money. They will have been thrown under the bus, and new players will not be motivated to buy ships. If, on the other hand, those expenditures do pay off then it makes the game less fun for everyone else, because the whole point is that everyone is co-existing in the same in-game economy.
@@yokofishy If it gives them 2 things, it is a valid payoff.
a) the ship to use at the base level that has a permanent warranty (more than on ship in your fleet means you can spawn a backup while your main is on timeout and a baseline is better than a wait)
b) access to the schematic (to start the process of grinding out the higher tier schematics; you already have the first one)
Warranties are transferable and *rare* they said. So how many you have will become an issue. All pledged ships have a warranty allowing base components instead of just the money from an insurance claim.
The pledged ones just aren't transferable.
So still useful... but also not pay to win. Pay to *convenience.* Pay to *shortcut.*
Star Citizen isn't a game, it's a concept of a game.
It’s still in alpha in ten years it hasn’t even reached beta yet cmon now. I’ll wait for the full release. Hopefully in another ten years.
Stop repeating misinformation, not only can you literally play it but they've shown more stuff than most games do before a campaign release. So no, it's not a concept.
Huh. Interesting, because I actively play it constantly. Attend in game events and expos. Test fly the new ships, fly for hours to other places and random planets with my friends to mine. Bring it back and sell it.
Feel like a game to me Sir.
I don’t think you even own it.
They are way too ambitious to a point of actual game they want being impossible to make with current tech. So best they can do is work on parts of it as alpha so they actually know what to do when they can finally attempt to make what they want. Part of me think it's fucking stupid but part of me think it's fascinating to see devs and the community working this hard on a what seems unachievable.
@@Gafferman Found the guy who paid 4000 for a ship 😂
They are really trying not to wipe anymore. Also once you know what to do, "grinding" ships is super easy (for now).
I've talked to a few people who reach 10 million in a week or two. The hardest part is being new and not knowing how easy it is to get money.
I remember one of my friends got 30 million right off the bat cause he said a joke in chat ans a rich fella really liked it xD
@@CrispyMuffin2 Not to encourage begging in game chat, but lots of experienced players end up with more money than they know what to do with and are happy to help out new players financially or let them test drive bigger ships. The sheer awe of a new player seeing a massive ship up close for the first time is part of the fun lol
HRTs are head and shoulders above basically every other type of money making gameplay and it's almost certainly going to get nerfed at some point. Last time I ran them with a five man group for 7 hours straight, we all walked away with 10 million credits.
i was surprised about the low prices after just one week of playing, and even with the new balanced prices i think its still a bit cheap. But i guess they don't want to make it too much of a grind for the more casual players.
A slow paced story is honestly fine if the atmosphere is there and it definitely looks to full of it so that's good to see. Also if that's Mark Strong I spotted the casting guys know what they're doing.
mark strong, mark hamil, cavil, gary oldman i could go on for 10 minutes and you would recognize all these names... and the best part is some of them are doing it for the heck of it no payment whatsoever
I believe they had the misplaced and casted a whole bunch of actors like YEARS ago
I spent nothing on Star Citizen, but I watched the full hour of Squadron 42 and what I was most impressed with is that the narrative is actually pretty solid. I have been semi-amused over the years, but I was convinced that they were going to throw all this money at the game, then it was going to be ultra cheesy as hell or something. Nope, that prologue for the game was absolutely amazing. I can't wait to play the full version of the single-player game whenever it releases. It is top tier amazing. Really impressed. I only play single player games.
Release is scheduled for 2026 but it is not clear when exactly. Probably around October. Wouldn't be surprised if they release it at the CitizenCon 2026.
You put it well that SC is a hobby for many, it's less a game and more a passion that people fall in love with and spend their time and money on
Maybe - but that doesn't negate the obligation for RSI to release something to people who paid money and expect something for their investment. I bought in back in 2018, and was told then SQ42 was roadmap to release around 2020/21. Yet here we are at the end of 2024 and still waiting.....
I've played 1200+ hours of Star Citizen (alpha) in the past year. I signed up in 2015 but it wasn't remotely playable then. After 1000+ hours in Starfield, I found it wanting. I didn't want to go back to EVE so I gave SC another try. I can honestly say that - even in its current state - it is a better game than many so-called AAA releases in the past decade. The sheer scope and beauty alone is impressive. The freedom to climb into a cool spaceship, fly above a planet's surface (the entire surface), fly into orbit and view the planet you just came from, then off into space with no loading screens is amazing. No other game I've played (and I've played a LOT of games in the past 35 years) comes close to the immersion. When it works.
Right now, it is buggy and rough. I personally would rather they polished the features and ships they currently have in--game rather than keep promising "new and exciting" features and ships that are obviously going to be years away. Is Star Citizen 1.0 a pipe-dream? Maybe. Is it worth trying - even for $45 in alpha? Yes. While I've dropped a few hundred bucks for new ships, I did so because I wanted to not because it is necessary. Is the game tied to a giant marketing campaign to entice players to constantly buy new and more exciting content. Absolutely. $700 Million+ and counting, the campaign is working. Are the devs (and Chris Roberts) committed to seeing the "grand vision" of the game to fruition? I think they are. It might be another decade, though, and I hope I'm still around to enjoy it.
You’ve played 2,200 hours of two games in the last year? That’s like over 25% of a year.
Finally a sincere comment
It is a very fun experience and the gank can be extra funny XD
A thousand hours in starfield? You don't deserve to have an opinion. Yikes.
Beautiful? Not the current skybox, they need to revert tgst
18:00 the 225$ one comes with lifetime insurance (longer than 10 years). That extra 25$ isn't because of the 10 year insurance, its because the 250$ is the standard edition and the 225$ is the discounted warbond edition, that can only be purchased with new money, as opposed to using store credit from other refunded ships.
Also worth pointing out that the two-pack are two separate variants--the Starlancer MAX and the Starlancer TAC. The MAX is the cargo-focused one and the TAC is the combat-focused one.
They artificialy limited how much you can use your purchased ship, charged extra to negate that mechanic (lifetime insurance) and you think your making a good deal. Why do purchased ships not have lifetime Insurance in the first place?
@@little_lord_tamrealism & player retention
@@little_lord_tam It's called business, they need to keep the lights on lol. Believe it or not 700m+ is not much over 12+ years considering they have 1k+ devs not to mention marketing. This year they are actually barely breaking even. The insurance perk you get is a benefit for supporting the project early on which is cool and has no downsides now or anytime soon.
@@little_lord_tam Do you expect them to pay their 1300+ developers with IOU notes whenever the game releases? This is the only way this game is getting funded without a publisher.
Luke, the location for Citizencon rotates every year to each of the different CIG locations. From what I remember the location next year is Austin, TX, then Germany, Then Los Angeles, Then UK again. They also have a new location in Toronto, so there's a chance they may have one there one of these years. Just an FYI.
imagine the warhammer 40k mmo a competent studio could have made with half that amount
Oh don't do that to me. Now that's all I'm gunna think about for the next 5 years...
knowing the micro-industry of warhammer games theyd just make some lame ass rts based mmo where you cant directly control anything
yea like what sony did with 400 million dollars
Yeah nothing even close to the current scope.
It would be a wow clone that they shut down after 5 years
Star Citizen has got to be one of the worst-run scams in the history of gaming. You're supposed to take people's money and then disappear quickly, not spend years and years gradually delivering on an insanely ambitious vision, building a technological marvel one update at a time, and edging ever closer to a fully playable product!
Joking aside, I'm hella impressed with what they're cooking over there.
What they are cooking was impressive half a decade ago, now many companies have caught up or even past them on technical levels, server meshing has been done on small scale 5 years ago, now on a level that surpasses SC by Nvidia as SC goes back to a "instanced" system.
@@MrImmortal709you have to play it to feel that way cause there is no engine in gaming like star engine
@@MrImmortal709games have done server meshing yes, that's nothing new.
But show me another game that has completely seamless server meshing, where you can push objects between, see other players and shoot at them, between two seperate servers.
A planet can be a seperate server to space in SC, and you can transition between those two servers with no loading.
I'm sure there are probably other companies experimenting with thisnsort of stuff, CiG can't be the only one by now, but it's still new and exciting technology.
@@Zaycancode yeah...Im pretty sure no other game have non-functional elevators and randomly exploding ships after 10 years of development
If Starcitizen was a scam the term "Citizen Con" would have a whole other meaning :D
They said it was feature complete last year, not content complete.
That's actually a big difference. Feature complete means the mechanics of the game, all the features necessary to run through it are done. So, like, one example would be fire propagation and extinguishing.
Content complete would mean that the game is *done* done. And that was not what they said.
This is one of the most rounded takes on the game I have seen to be perfectly honest. I am a few thousand dollars in to it over the last 12 years so I have a fair few ships. It has to be said though that the ships you get are just rewards for supporting the development of the game. If the project as a whole fails I will be sad, but I have put money into the game because I believe in the vision, and damn, it's looking great right now.
Your's seems to be a very healthy way to look at this. I just bought the base package in 2016, but I can understand why people like to support the development with more. After all, this *could* become the greatest experience for sci fi lovers to ever exist. I do understand some of the criticism though and CIG is by no means perfect. But the latest AAA-catastrophes have shown game development to be a chaotic business and tanking ridiculous amounts of money in development on things that will never see the light of the final product is to some extend unavoidable. I don't think there exists any other way to make a game like star citizen than the one CIG has taken.
Putting thousands of dollars in a game is kinda pathetic tbh
Tbh, people do it all the time with other hobbies or subscriptions over a decade. It just looks bad out of context and because of assumed P2W.
@@elibrainless90 what he does with his money is not your concern, it's literally a hobby like any other.
Any ships purchased on the store can not be lost, they have perma warranty one of the community managers came out and talked about it to clarify
Without us buying the ships, this game would not be made like this. No other company with a board of directors would allow this game which is swinging for the moon. Trying to do what no one has yet.
THANK YOU, this is why I backed 10 years ago and continue to back, this is an ambitious attempt and I'm just happy to be along for the ride
@@shizuoheiw i dont mind playing this when i am 50 or even 60 maybe some ai project will overtake SC but it wont have the same love as this
@@bwhere45 you can also spend the same amount of money and have your game shut down within a week
@@Warsheep2k6 if you're talking about concord don't forget it also spent 8 years in development, it couldn't draw as many players as SC in alpha
Ofc not. They would expect it to be released in a reasonable timeframe, not just sometime & somewhere in the far future.
Just a heads up, the server wipes actually very rarely happen anymore, and when they do, they only wipe what they have to. I've still got the same ships I bought in-game about a year ago now
I'm kinda amazed because I still have that salvaged / 'found' Crusader Security Elite armor which was at some point harder to obtain via legal ways anyway. The last armor set I got almost 2 years ago or so. I'm still carrying it in storage. I think they might wipe with 4.0 (pre-release version 4.0, not to be confused with the 1.0, for any 'outsiders' reading this, basically 4.0 will come before 1.0) again next time.
If we jump to the conclusion that 2026 will indeed be SQ42 release and if we assume that 1.0 might be deployed some time around or shortly-ish before 2030, and seeing how the last full wipe of gear and money and so on was like ... 2 years ago(?) then I assume we might only see about... 2-3 more full wipes? Give or take?
But as the rough joke goes, the amount of wipes to come will always be at least 1 ... until that 1.0 version.
I still have my 890 I bought from last year. Rarely use it but it's still cool to have.
People complain about this game but it's literally $45....
You DONT have to spend thousands like some do lmao
Yeah it has a long way to go, but oh well.
Still a fun time
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@lpk822 man, it just kills me.
Like i get the frustration, they keep delaying shit, always excuses, alpha game is buggy as hell (even though is alpha)
And people shit on their greedy marketing tactics
I get it
But again, don't have to spend thousands to enjoy the game
$45 and patience, all you need. Just sit and enjoy the ride wherever it takes us lol
Take care
Thats the key right there.
No one is ever forced to spend more as they develop the way beyond original scope of the game.
My friends who have spent "WAY" less than me in the same decade, are playing with "WAY" more than me, simply by playing the game different and/or more.
But ED forced its players to by expansions of promised content. Content yet to be seen that was promised 12 years ago.
Of the two projects, SC is the biggest scam of the gaming industry!?! I guess "released" gives immunity from such criticism.
I could go on for quite a bit of the irony this project gets in criticism when comparing it to that game alone. And from that player base is insane irony.
Much more if I include other projects.
And ED recently started selling ships to continue funding.
We should be grateful for those that can, who choose to give money to this project, instead of the disdain that is so common. I sense envy often.
If it wasn't for them, this project would never be possible. The first time in my lengthy life the more fortunate have ever invested in something I want to see happen.
The other option is for large corpo funding to keep the player cost low. Right?
Trueeee, I only spent 45usd into the game. but I have a big yacht now. we can get rich ingame pretty quick. no need to spend extra.
730 Million lol
By 2026 I might be able to afford a PC that will run Star Citizen properly. Looks pretty awesome though, doesn't it?
In starfield the distance between points of interest was a loading screen
what game devs have completely underrated for years at this point is the importance of aesthetics and player investment into lore. Star Citizen is making a great choice here by investing their player base into a storyline of this magnitude and aesthetically its really cool.
They no longer wipe AUEC hangars unless something really messed up on the back-end. Generally the ships that you pay for in-game will be kept between wipes, as well.
The first hour of their single player experience looks more enthralling than anything else in a long time. I’d easily pay $100+ for a fully fleshed out and fresh idea game that has their current multiplayer set in the same universe. Giving a lore and world building in a fun and exciting story mode to get us roleplaying in the multiplayer could be massive and I think it could potentially spawn a whole franchise like Star Wars or 40k if done properly.
Bigger ships = bigger costs of running, bigger insurance fees, fuel and repair costs, so in my opinion buying biger ships with real money will cost you more money in game
Sure but if you wanted a big ship that's months worth of grinding just skipped cause you pay for it
@@coldshock5181 You'll have a ship you can't use cause you'll need 5-10-20 people to run it. Just the fuel costs will prevent you from using it
@@alex_panthea What about when AI crews come out?
@@alex_panthea CIG isn't going to stop people from paying their way into large ship combat. They'll sell NPC crew, AI-modules, and everything else necessary to keep the ships running. Paying to skip the grind is their core business.
@@Shadowcam00They just recently said NPC crews will not be in for 1.0, and AI blades will only be for turrets for now. So at release there will still be no way to properly solo a large ship.
"We'll stop selling ships when the game is done" is a very easy promise to keep. After all, it's entirely up to them when it's 'done.'
Whilst true, they also have to consider the launch, and obviously their already dubious general public perception. Once a full release comes out, I would reckon that at the very least ship pricing would drop drastically, with most of their income coming from leasing/selling the tools they've made
@@AnymMusic You can say "dubious" perception all you want. They've raised over $700 million while delivering some promises and missing many many others. At this point, nothing is likely to stop em. People just keep dumping more and more in with every single ship that's released. There is zero incentive to stop.
They would have no issue transitioning to a cosmetics-based monetization strategy at that point, but it could go either way
@@austin962 I could see that. But they could also do both like they already are.
I have yet to hear anyone come up with a better way to fund this project past release, in order to cover costs of servers, and the continued dev of the project. As we players keep hoping and asking for more content.
Blame CIG for feature creep, then look at the massive amount of requests for content we players keep making on a daily basis. Irony!?!
If we want it, we can have it, with enough money and time. But where is that money gonna come from.
Big corpo investors could be a good source I suppose.
The current funding model has never forced a player to spend more. Its always been by choice.
Come up with another way that will allow that.
Rockstar does cash for credits, and I hear they make in a year what CIG has made since SC started dev.
But I also here the players complaining about that option.
Again, come up with a better way that no one will complain about, even though they are never forced to spend.
Ship sales will continue after release. And those that don't have the free time to play it takes to earn a ship will be the ones buying them.
We should be grateful for those that can, who choose to give money to this project, instead of the disdain that is so common. I sense envy often.
If it wasn't for them, this project would never be possible. The first time in my lengthy life the more fortunate have ever invested in something I want to see happen.
How is that other similar project going, that "released" in 2014, and forced its players to buy expansions in order to play with the promised content? Much of the long ago promised content still missing, and will officially never come to be.
I hear selling ships is there new way to fund the "released" game.
I want to add some miss conception here :
- Server wipe ( Ship, In Game Credits ) only apply because the game is on testing state, once 1.0 release, there will be no wipe.
- Bigger ship doesnt mean better ship if only manned by 1 crew, its harder to maintain, and take times much longer to respawn ( if destroyed )
- All real money ship is tier 1, to upgrade it to better tier ( up to tier 5 ) you need to progress it in game
the last point is still bad imo. a big Ship should be valuable. Like an "Holy Shit" moment if you see it ingame. and this moment gets destroyed if you just sell these Ships for real Money.
@@AngryHoplite most of the "holy shit" ships are hull limited, meaning only a certain amount of them are sold whenever they're sold, not to mention they're expensive and you need a LOT of friends to even run them. The biggest ship won't even be buyable on the pledge store
If you get a starter pack and can't save $10. a month to CCU upgrade to the ship you like, then how can afford a PC to play it ?
Besides that, the bigger the ship, the harder it is to run. More cost ingame in every aspect, including crew size.
A Cap ship crew, will be like herding cats. It will take a disciplined crew to run.
Spending more RLM in Star citizen does not = an I win button ...
I've been a backer since 2014. And quite possibly one of Star Citizen's harshest critics. I sometimes feel entitlement to that because of the absurd amount of money I've spent (in the tens of thousands). But sometimes, I become grounded and realize that the effort to create something as unparalleled as Star Citizen is gargantuan in nature, size, and scope. And that it's something that's never been attempted, much less ever done before. I have to admit that after this CitizenCon I am a lot more hyped for the game, and looking more positively towards the future. I have spent 2 years covering this game on TH-cam (obviously on a separate channel) and have referred 498 confirmed game package buyers to it myself. And I would not have done these things if, although frustrated at times, I didn't believe that the game had potential and was able to achieve the galactic scale goals it set out to back in 2012.
Luke, I think they don't want to release in 2025 because GTA 6 will be releasing next year. I don't think any studio wants to be anywhere close to that release. I can't remember the details but any ships purchased with real world money will automatically have some type of insurance. I forgot what level of it it is though. Also, they don't delete your in-game ships very often anymore with new patches. Any earned money and consumables will be gone. Two of the Starlancer various variants will be available next month in November in the in-game IAE event. As far as real money purchases, I buy ships with my money because I work 12 hours a day Monday through Friday and I don't have time to grind for the ships I want. I literally have a few hours on Saturday and Sunday to play if at all. I buy cool ships but that does not help me because I still suck at the game. I have a high-end heavy fighter but I continually get my ass handed to me in combat. I spent $230 on that ship. But I love it. It doesn't help me win anything lol. I just don't want do we have to grind for it if they do do a wipe and take the in-game ships with the wipe. Plus some ships are limited time sales so yeah I'm a victim of fomo on occasion. But Star Citizen is my only vice.
Who cares for the release of GTA VI? There aren't even remotely as many people waiting for Star Citizen as for GTA. Even if Star Citizen ever releases (hint: it won't), it will not even be in the top 10 sales of that year. Regardless of what else releases. It's just not a genre that many people want to play. Get real guys. Nobody who isn't already invested in Star Citizen will be in the future.
@@Tokru86 "There aren't even remotely as many people waiting for Star Citizen as for GTA" yes, that is literally why you DON'T want to launch against such an utter fcking behemoth. Your launch numbers matter a lot for success perception, and so you don't want, say, half of the people who would be interested in SQ42, be hooked in by GTA VI around the same time.
@@Tokru86Wym lol star citizen is one of the most anticipated games ... when it releases. It's a joke right now and everyone knows if, but once the full thing comes out and the features/stability are there, this will easily be one of the biggest games ever
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I too worked 70 hours a week, and made good money. So I applied that money to my hobbies and interests. SC being one of them for the same reason you did.
I did however recently retire unplanned, and now find myself struggling for a goal to reach in game. So do be careful. One day you may not be working as much.
Hooray for base and station building. New goal set to do, just because I can.
The really good fighter pilots will honestly tell you, skill wins in a ship almost every time. Like you, I get wrecked a lot in ships so many claim to be good. And often by much smaller and less formidable ships. So those pilots say knowledge and practice practice. But practice takes time, and I really don't like combat gameplay in most games. So I don't like practice. Thankfully I can spend hours even days in game and never have to fire a single shot. I have friends who gladly prevent or avenge my demise.
That fomo is real isn't it.
Give credit to CIG's marketing team, they do it well.
There is some RDR2 content I missed because they used the same tactic.
Don't see anyone criticizing them for it.
@@coldshock5181still nowhere close to the anticipation of GTA 6
They said they were feature complete. NOT content complete. In game development, feature complete means that all the core systems & mechanics needed for the game to function are implemented. For Squadron 42 (SQ42), this would include things like flight mechanics, AI behaviors, and core combat systems.
Content complete, on the other hand, means all the assets and content like levels, story missions, voice acting, and visual details are fully integrated & polished. Big difference.
So much about this information always leaves me scratching my head about how much research goes into the subject before talking about it. Since so many brought up the issue with feature complete I would like to point out a couple of persistent misunderstandings surrounding SC.
1. SHIPS ARE NOT PROGRESSION!!!
CIG has stated it before and they stated it again during Citcon. They consider reputation to be progression. That will allow you to get more credits to play sandbox how ever you want. The ships simply open up avenues to play, but larger ships are not "better" for you. They have cost associated with them to run. The most expensive ships in game take larger crews to run. If you are a Solo player, or if you play with one or two friends, you don't even "need" to get a larger ship that supports this. Also the server wipes are not intentional but related to tech. The plan for 1.0 as you implied you watched it, is to have insurance (recieve credits back) plans for ships you purchased in game and warranty (hull replacement) you can earn.
2. Monetization
The desire to stop selling ships outside of starter ships and concepts, is Chris Roberts idea. And it is unlikely that is going to change. What can the sell other than ships though? EVERYTHING ELSE! Already in the store you can by in-game weapons, armor, paints, decoration, and flair. They tested a system in which you can have paid customization for ships (test run done with 300 series). They have not expanded it to every ship but due to how they plan the insurance system to work than they still should be able to bring in plenty of cash for the high number of items they can sell.
3. Most important bit - In game purchases and rentals
This is glossed over often, but you are not really required to purchase a ship with real money to enjoy it. In game there are stores that sell the ships and kiosks that allow you to rent ship for a relatively small fee. You start game with aurora and think salvaging or mining is up your alley? Do a handful of basic missions and you will have enough to rent these ships which in turn allow you to make more credits, so you can either rent other ships to try or earn enough to purchase ships you want. Also the community is awesome so just asking in chat people will let you tour or fly a ship in question or group up to make some credits so you can get your desired ship.
One of the worst things about seeing SC content is sometimes there is either a lack of information or misinformation that turns the discourse toxic. Of course when people that play or follow along try to explain they get labeled as cultist or trying to explain their "Ship Purchase". It is sad and somewhat telling when people get attacked for trying to clarify a lack of information or misinformation.
The need for fans to write these essays defending their financial decisions is puzzling. One would expect devoted sci-fi enthusiasts to be more informed and rational.
@@718HokageExactly, they are more informed than you. Therefore he explains what Luke got wrong.
No where did he defend his backing.
@@Paisa231 Thank you. My fave part about his comment, is the fact that I called out that people were going to post such lame responses at the end and he proves me right. I swear the people who hate on this game are so predictable.
@@718Hokage Why do you assume clearing up misinformation is the same as defending the game. We just want you to have all the correct info so you can come to whatever conclusion about it yourself, not through some twisted recounting of it by a streamer who clearly hasn't done much research into the topic despite it being their job.
@staticneuron I'm not going to fully agree with @718Hokage here, but I'm going to play devil's advocate as a fellow longtime backer who, while generally optimistic about the project, also agrees with a lot of the criticism that is levied (even when it is often in bad faith - though 718Hokage made no real argument which is always disappointing). I'll similarly go point by point here, and won't necessarily disagree with all the points you raise - but I really wanted to make a comment in general contention to your points because I feel most of your 'pointing out persistent misunderstandings' is biased/opinionated, and more interested in swaying people in favor of the project rather than being realistic and presenting primarily facts regarding the project (which is fine to do, but feels misrepresented by suggesting your opinions are factual by saying you are 'combating misunderstandings/misinformation).
1. Agreed with the progression plan as stated in the context of 1.0, but right now - ships are progression, and will be for the foreseeable future, due to the lack of other progression means. We still do not have a projected timeframe when crafting and reputation will come in game, and there are no meaningful money sinks beyond ships currently. Agreed that the server wipes are technical issues - but when it is the current primary progression loop in a paid alpha (antithetical to most alphas which invite testers and provide them with most assets in the game) where their main money maker is selling ships, it's worth criticizing at this time. To that point, I would say that right now larger ships are strictly 'better' if you are playing with friends for similar reasons - but still agreed in the context of 1.0 talk.
2. Agreed that the last we heard, ships will no longer be sold following the release of 1.0. With that said, while yes we can assume that will not change, it's not unreasonable for someone to feel it COULD change given the general number of changes in scope/expectations for the PU over the years. In fact, I feel the community's reaction to Lando's clarification on pledge store insurance is one of relief and satisfaction - with many in my org suggesting this means pledge ships are now effectively underpowered - and I believe this could easily lead to marketing feeling they can then continue selling ships in 1.0. We've had two ships and one rifle sold en masse in the last year alone which we were told would not be released until SQ42's release, and that would have to be earned by completing that game, for an example I feel is at least somewhat relevant.
3. Agreed you don't have to purchase ships with real money to enjoy them. Also agreed the community will generally be willing to take new players around - though new players can tend to not reach out for said help/guidance. I would say the recent economy changes to further enforce the current progression loop of acquiring ships as detailed in item 1 has skewed this against your overall point. You don't have to buy a ship with real money to enjoy it, but many of the ships are now quite a bit more difficult to obtain - and given the very broken state of this current patch (mostly server-side but still fair to point out), it gets that much more frustrating to make marginal gains towards a ship when it's a swipe away, and that FOMO which CIG is preying on is disappointing to see.
I certainly agree it is frustrating that the general gaming public is still so aggressively against the project, given you and I have likely had any number of genuinely remarkable, unique and unforgettable experiences with friends in this game over the past few years - but I also think it is fair to meet people where they are and appreciate the perspective that this project has largely earned its reputation, regardless of the toxicity of discourse often had. A lot of the points I tried to raise were for the sake of trying to illustrate that a lot of Luke's criticism and points made in this video were largely contextualized in the current state of the project. I felt he was expressing wishes to see things change come 1.0 that were less to do with nuanced specifics about the game - but general concerns raised by a gamer who, while maybe not intimately familiar with the game, uses the information he does have to poke reasonable holes in what he's presented with, in a mostly charitable and respectful manner.
You don't have to be an expert in something to criticize it, you just need to represent yourself as 'not a doctor' and be humble enough to also be open to being corrected. I think Luke did very well in this video, and didn't provide blatant misinformation as his feelings towards things that generally do happen/exist and are accurate in the current project, and fairly analyzed the 1.0 discussion with a critical and concerned lens. I do hope this finds you well and am open to correction or challenge on my thoughts as well - have a good one o7
27:12 wasn't an 890jump, that was a 400i. Although similar in design language, the 890j is much larger.
the funding model is an unfortunate necessary evil. No one in the gaming space would have financed this. The work that goes on the engine alone should be done by Epic or Unity but since "large scale seamless space travel" doesn't sell with the general public, they won't do it because their shareholder will be angry
I agree it's necessary right now, but I'm hoping they'll be able to transition away from it when S42 releases. There is so much other stuff they could do to generate revenue like merchandise, cosmetics, DLC. The soundtrack is awesome! Sell that. I'd buy it
"doesnt sell with the general public" actually SC and eve are the perfect examples that the general public wants exactly that
@@Warsheep2k6but corporations don’t know that. Corporations are money hungry and usually only shoot for guaranteed profits
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@@kityhawk2000 how would you make a DLC for an MMO? you can't exactly make a gamespace that's locked behind a DLC because that defeats the entire purpose
For my part, and in a certain point of view, you are right and wrong at the same time. If Star Citizen it's a game people want to play as second life, enjoy the universe and so on, the pay to excel is not valid for that kind of player. In other hand because is pvp and pvp experience some will pay extra buck to get the upper hand. So I think it's a matter how do you perceive the experience of Star Citizen. I hope it makes sens in english, I'm from Québec and french is my native language. Good vid by the way, thank you.
Good thing about Starfield is that the Star Citizen devs can look at it and see what NOT to do. 😂
Good thing about SC is players can look at the endless feature creep and continual missed roadmap and see what NOT to spend money on. I have dropped some money into the game packages - my advise to someone new - don't spend a dime on this game till it's officially released.
I came in to SC as I have been a fan of Cris Roberts and a die hard Single player, fell in love with project, then we got the PU and now I'm playing with around 20 people all the time since we got access to the PU. It had it's Ups and Downs, but this is the game I always wanted so I'm optimistic, even tho it take more time. lol
I got two weeks of gameplay this month, new player. Each of those days, couldn't wait to play it. There were bugs, but the scale and scope and level of detail and thought in the game is incredible! I could understand why its still in development. However, Thursday Oct 17th, approaching the atmosphere of a planet. Then the game just closed and the launcher started pushing update 3.24.2. i got back in, my ship was deleted, no one could use public transit and I got permanently disconnected. I have been unable to play the game since, with an error that says my character is in a specific server still and i need to wait a few minutes its been 6 days! Its so frustrating, I was hooked.
People say the exact same thing about grinding 1000h in Korean mmos.
Unlucky time to start. After crunch time devs are forced to take time off so it takes abit to debug. To make it worse 3.24.2 uses code that is very new to the game as a whole and will be more janky then usual. On the upside the patch will be very short lived before we goto 4.0 and the game changes a lot.
@@myrchantkobold8268 Yeah, def a rough time to start. But what I got to play, I can't wait to get back into it.
Ask in spectrum for a solution or write a ticket to support. I am sure its easoly solvable
@@cedvelt it's not, every opinion has been tried. This is a pure fk'up from the patch only solveable from a hotfix or patch
They announced in this year's CitCon, that once they hit 1.0, there won't be anymore wipes. So you won't lose ships bought in-game after that, unless it gets destroyed and you don't carry insurance on it. In fact there hasn't been any wipes for a long while now, not to say it won't happen again before they go to 1.0.
I have never quite understood the play to win idea, since there is no winning.
If anyone is looking at trying it right now, please wait a couple days. The current patch is a hot mess and I really would hate for this patch to be your first experience. I think a hot fix is coming tomorrow. o7
Good to know - started playing in 2018 (which was 1/2 playable). Then pirates/cops on you as soon as you left PO - broke game. Falling through elevators in Grim. Xeno was fun but horrible. You need(ed?) a super computer to play and render - and you comment clues me in nothing has changed - still a buggy POS 10+ years later.
@@jondspen The most significant issue today is server stability, plain and simple. When the servers are working well SC today is more stable than it has ever been. Right before this most current patch dropped I played in a three man basically all day long. Not a single crash, not a single 30k, not a single game breaking bug. I haven't fallen through an elevator in years. To say the game has made no progress is grossly disingenuous. They should have made way, WAY more progress than they have, but they've come a long way from 2018. They have been abysmally slow to develop this game either way, and splitting focus between SC and SC42 to me was an unacceptable decision.
@@balzarinemythus50 I always had better performance on AUS server than any other - US server was rocking at like 3am - but any other time not so great. Try 5pm on a Sat night - forget about it. Xeno wasn't bad (late 2021 if I remember), but I think we (TEST) broke the server ramming 890s into the Bengal trying to get it out of the base area...lol. And I agree....SQ42 should and could have been released a LONG time ago. You don't need server meshing and shards for a single player game.
Just watched the intro, and one thing about being able to play the game. You don't actually have to buy into the project at all, as occasionally the game holds "Free Fly" events that allow absolutely anyone to try the game completely free during the event. I believe such an event is coming up soon.
No game should have "microtransactions" that go up to thousands of dollars
I think we should lose the "micro" at this point
You can buy almost all ships in the game. Its not that you have to purchase that ship. It is an donation and in return the devs give you something back for helping funding. If people are complaining that they spend a lot of money on it then its their bad financial decisions to donate that amount of money.
I agree. Except this game isn’t a publicly traded company. So it makes sense to have larger micro transactions as that is how they fund development. Most MMOs have a monthly subscription. But this does not, so they rely on micro transactions because they also don’t have an overlord giving them money and telling them what to do (Activision, Blizzard, Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, etc)
@@slowshadow2669Nobody complains lol
No game that is for 12 years in an Alpha state does need a yearly convention that cost moths of work and millions but for some reason they do that year after year.
My friends and I used to get together and have LAN parties back in high school. It was awesome. Years later we would get together and have little get togethers with all our PCs again. This was about 10 years ago. I remember back then our friend worrying about upgrading his PC to be able to handle Star Citizen. It cracks me up. I think back then the only thing that was available was the hangar demo. 😅
41:10 to be completely fair with wipes, they aren't an intentional feature of the game like something with Tarkov or Rust, rather they are a symptom of the state of development that SC is in.
Wipes are actually very infrequent these days and only occur with very major patches or if something goes very, very wrong.
I last played Star Citizen February of this year, and I logged in yesterday and there has been no wipe in that time.
There will likely be a wipe soonish, with patch 4.0, as that patch adds the second star system and will change the game massively. But Wipes these days are super infrequent, and CiG are working to make them even less infrequent until there is no longer any need for them at all once the game reaches the 1.0 release that they outlined at this citizencon.
And that's why I haven't played in 3-4 years. Can't deliver a product, and all the "gameplay" is a complete waste as soon as they wipe. 10 Fing years - people change their friends and financial circumstances and whole life every 10 years on average. 10 years ago you bought a $45 ship - now today you bought another for your 10 y/o son hoping one day you two will get to play together, but FYI, you still have another 2 years to wait per the "official" plan, and with history of RSI, you know they won't meet that deadline either.
Ah yes, the age old story of 'Person who isn't invested in the game and only checks back in every few months is 'frustrated' by the game'
Lets go for a billion, c'mon guys lets make this the first billion dollar game!
First 5xA game
Gta 6 is over a billion
Star citizen is the male version of donating to Kylie jenner 😂😂
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Rockstar already has made that 10-15x over from gta5 lol.
Your points about in game economy being upset by real world purchases doesn’t really make sense in practice. EVE online has PLEX and Omega and tons of other games have premium subscription models that allow players to excel and make more money in game while still having extremely diverse and successful economies.
The people buying the $400+ ships are really a benefit to you, you can group up with them or call on them for help when needed. Not much of an impact will be made on your personal gameplay if another person wants to purchase a $45 ship or a $400 ship. There will always be something to grind for. You can't just 'purchase' base materials or upgraded QT drives and shields etc.
With 4.0. Can you rent NPS´s in a 400$ ship to shoot turrents or fix components? Or is it useless without a friend or two?🤣
So I’ve been a SC player/backer for a couple years, at the ‘Citizen Con’ they did last week, the introduced crafting tiers and upgrades that effect ship/item performance.
I’ve seen several people suggesting that the ships paid for with real currency should be a lower tier than the ones bought in-game.
It doesn’t negate all of the advantage but does at least provide some balance as everyone is likely right and they will continue to sell ships.
the aurora has 3 scu of external storage you can fit big crates on it^^
As a super miniscule gameplay note, around 35 minutes in you decide to fly down to the planets surface. In previous versions of the game, there was only one flight mode. They separated them now and the one you flew down in is much slower.
You can hold B to switch between quantum and regular flight, then short press it to cycle through further options. Quantum flight allows you to fly about 4-5x faster than you did in this section :)
Great video! I feel the same about most of what you said. I think if they ever do get rid of ship sales, they will replace it with a subscription cost to the game like every other MMO to cover costs, or offer a large number of microtransactions. Who's to say 🤷♂
Just FYI, the terminology ‘content’ and ‘features’ are two different things in the game dev. Features usually refers to tech requirements for an MVP whereas content is actual gameplay elements that are front facing for players that take advantage of said tech.
Would like to briefly add context that CIG clarified; store bought ships will be Tier 1, meaning that crafted vessels will more than likely always be better even if just one higher tier, however all of that ends up working
With that said.. that probably means they won't stop selling the ships either cuz it will always be a shortcut
If anyone considers the staff payroll over the years, and subtract that from the $700 or 730 mill its supposedly cost so far, its easy to see that this is the cost to make a game like this, and they could probably use a little more.
And for the ship costs, they retain their value in their store. So, lets say you buy a $40 valued ship, and you play for a month and you want to upgrade to a $60 ship. You can trade your ship in, get $40 store credit and pay $20 more to buy the new ship. If someone saved a typical MMO subscriptions worth every month, they can get from a starter ship to a capital ship in 5-ish years. And in that time, be upgrading to a new ship fairly frequently along the way. It's an interesting alternative to the subscription model.
Hmm, makes sense, not too bad either. I feel like the purchased ships are a way to contribute to the game, and you can stick to buying ships with in-game currency. I'm going to upgrade to a decent money making ship in case I ever need to rebuild lost funds or ships purchased in game, and then just buy ships in-game.
I see no point in spending real money on ships past getting the game for $45. It is far more gratifying to earn ships by actually playing the game
@@austin962 Yeah that's why I have only two ships I've bought with real money. A light fighter (gladius) and a hauler with multicrew capabilities (Zeus mk2 CL). Everything else I want to earn in game. May upgrade my Gladius to something a little bigger eventually but in no rush to
It seems to me that all the required tech have been somewhat figured out. If they can pull this off and figure out a proper model of monetization for release it is going to be absolutely revolutionary.
At 35:20, you were in SCM mode, with a max speed of 225m/s unboosted, 450m/s boosted. You were NOT in NAV mode, in which your top speed *would* have been 1,200m/s, and the journey would have likely been completed in under a third of the time (if you elect not to quantum, at least).
One thing that I should point out in your video, is that on your 'descent' to Arial, you were in SCM-Gun mode instead of NAV-FLT, which means your maximum speed was like 1/10th of what it could be, which is a fair mistake for someone who checks in every so often. A recent patch introduced Master Modes to the game, with SCM-Standard Combat Mode, being much lower in top-speed compared to NAV-Flight mode, which cannot actively use its weapons (or shields) in exchange for much higher top speed.
Also wipes rarely happen these days, there was like a two-year gap between wipes, and because of how wipes now work, they RARELY wipe your in-game cash, to the point I can't even remember the last time they did so, which means you can just re-buy the ship even if they have to wipe player-ship-ownership for some reason.
You'd think about 10-12 years there would be some kind of semblance of an actual organized experience. It just seems like an endless stream of ideas that encourages people to throw more money at.
There is tho? It's playable
Brother you can literally play the game right now. They just updated with some new tech however so it's a little janky currently, but it's still a cohesive experience. Now whether it currently has fun and engaging gameplay loops is another story, but they have been shifting to introducing more and more gameplay loops and progression in the last year or so
In all honesty that's not even wrong, and I'm saying this as a long time backer and believer in the project lol When they announced the 1.0 release feature set and vision first thing I thought was something like "wow how have been ok not having this until now" because now it's tangible. Before it was totally just a set of features wrapped in a "best space sim ever" bow. Now you can say that this 1.0 release will never happen, and I would disagree, but hey at least we have it now. some of it is ambitious sure but they've released more in the past year than like the last 3 years combined. I'm for one cautiously optimistic. But back to your point. I can fully appreciate that before the announcement of a 1.0 release vision it was exactly. The issue I think was that they have been in the weeds with scope creep for too long. If this all turns out we'll thank them for it though. But this 1.0 release vision is a hopeful thing for me.
To be fair this game is doing many things that have never even been attempted ever before. There is not a single other developer that is doing what star citizen is. It could take another 15 years to fully release and it would probably still be cutting edge
@@hollowkid97 What is there to play? Gimme a break.
Stay in the travel/QD mode even without warping, you move alot faster.
As someone who has played Star Citizen I can say the gunplay is both punchy and clunky. It's on a case by case basis.
The casting of this for Henry would have taken place right about the time Superman was being started so he wasn't quite who he is now. But yes, he seems to be a celebrity that appreciates true vision of a project.
1:07
yes, kinda, yes, kinda, yes
Here is the deal. You can pledge for a starter ship as low as $45 or up to the large numbers that have been reported, your choice, be an adult.
The thing is, its the testing phase. Make no mistakes, you will wait to see features, you will wait to see concept ships, you will encounter bugs, some of those bugs will be very unpleasant
Its in development, understand what that means.
it is totally up to the player to decide if they want to support what they have created. If you really love the idea the devs have and you want to support there's way to do so, and in return you get things back you can use right away. They don't try to hide that game has problems resources are all over to show the state of the game so if you dont want to support their vision then you dont have to while its in this state.
I think a lot of people who say this game is scam don't realize that the entire game engine had to be made from scratch. They had to build the game engine from nothing because no engine on the market could do what their vision was. They are inventing new things never seen at this scale for games too. I really hope they don't trademark or copyright what they make so other developer could build off of it in the future. Seeing what is being made possible in the universe is generally so fascinating from the eyes of gamer. I cant imagine what other developers think when they see what they have accomplished.
A lot of people I know, refuse to touch the game. A lot see the huge prices and base that off of how much it must cost for entry without realizing you can just. spend a rather low amount for what is still a great experience.
As for the money spent, a lot also refuse to listen to reason.
- They had to restart development a couple of times due to changes and initial engines being unable to handle the desired game.
- They are having to develop an entire engine at the same time of developing the game. And on top of that, Squadron 42 is being made at the same time.
- money doesn't just equal progress. it definitely got them the budget and the Manpower but it still takes time.
29:21 . This. This is what got me to spend $45 on this game. The idea, the dream of living among the stars as a Space Cowboy-esk Dude, the itch that Star Wars put into me and the itch that i wasn't able to scratch until i tried the game out. Now, i can't play it ofc, cos it's very, very laggy for me, but even that bit of gameplay i did get to enjoy, was exactly what i wanted out of a game such as this. The ability to fly around planets, land wherever, trade cargo, mine in space, do bounty hunting like a Fett, and such. The game is a buggy mess, but it sure is enjoyable when it clicks into the part of the brain that yearns for that Space Life.
Hey Luke, you assume that just because someone bought a big ship they cut a corner. Luckily or unfortunatelly (depending from which angle you look at) that is not the case. Why? Because you will need actual other players to even be able to operate said ship besides flying it. You will have to have engineers and other crew that need to do specific tasks on these bigger ships to keep them operational. Also the running costs are way higher when you have a big ship. So essentially, having a bigger ship means you need to put WAY more time into it to be able to make a profit from it. Plus: When we will all start out, you wont even have enough starting money to operate your big ship that you bought with real money. It will just sit there until you grinded enough money to actually put your big ass ship to some use. And whether or not you will be able to run your ship profitable, thats an entirely different question.
So if you look at it like this: SC is definitely not p2w so to speak. Because while you get a big ship, you dont necessarly "win" anything, in fact you have more work on your hands and need to invest a shit ton of time more compared to someone who is simply happy flying their 1-2 crew ship.
This aspect seems to be completely ignored when people complain about SC selling ships. These complaints assume that you buy the biggest purchaseable ship in the game (4000$? i dont know exactly) and just get rich ingame? Far from it. This biggest ship will probably need 20-30 people at least to operate, then you have to split profits of course, imagine the time you have to sink in to coordinate all these people.
I think the people complaining don't know that you simply cant operate a big ship alone. You can currently, yes, but just because most of the systems are not implemented yet. Thats however definitely not how the game will look once 'released'.
Tldr = you can't buy friends 😂
No you won't because the devs confirmed NPC crews won't be in 1.0 and they have reassured solo players they won't be gimped whilst flying large ships due to AI blades. So once again, hopium = nopium, this game mostly exists in the imagination of the backers.
@@Stupoider They didn't reassure backers that they can solo large ships with AI blades. Ships only have a certain number of computer slots so AI blades cannot automate everything, and as of right now they're only planned to work for turrets. For solo players, they're mainly meant for that extra manned turret you have in your ship to fire automatically. This is yet another example of how they have said time and time again that a player will not be able to solo a large ship. No imagination here except for the deluded players that are plugging their ears to this info.
Honestly, I’m pretty sure he knows. his misinformation is how he gets engagement.
Hey Luke, just a note. At release and still currently you will be able to purchase all ships in game(other than ones in concept) minus a couple capital ships that players won’t be able to buy but build. I personally don’t see it effecting the economy, only real perk is not having to re-grind for them and the warranty If you fail to pay your insurance. Yeah it will be a forever contentious point for players, never going to go away. But I’m sure they will balance the cost of reclaiming ships bought with real money to make it more punishing if you don’t have insurance. But they won’t ever stop selling ships even if SC becomes a monthly subscription like most other MMO’s.
Man it will be a complete slap in the face to the backers if this game doesn't come to light.
We'll be dead by then!
"If" - we're in the endgame or relative endphase of a 'full' release. I'm guessing unless major catastrophe strikes, it'll eventually release with the intended 1.0 features until or by 2030 (which isn't much, even 5 years are nothing)
@@Unknown-ek1ox If 1.0 is supposed to be 50 items but one day you decide "When we got 15 items, we'll call THAT 1.0" it doesn't mean you actually released. Just moved the 1.0 label to whatever you happened to have.
I think they will be happy unless the game ever comes out, because it's pure hype, the hardcore backers have the ideal game in their minds and if it ever comes out that ideal will break
@@MustardSkaven no. 1.0 will be a polished experience which is completely different to the alpha you can play right now.
It should be mentioned that during citizencon's presentation on how they would quantify a full release of Star Citizen 1.0, one of the first things they brought up was that there would be no more wipes. They do wipes right now because the game is still in development and they occasionally need to do a hard reset for balancing purposes.
That being said, I have not personally had my ships wiped for a very long time; several years I believe.
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yeah the date reveal was a little bit of a mood killer for some of us long time backers
but
there is a video out there on youtube that compares the hour long video this year to the tease released last year, and there is polishing on the visuals, to a crazy degree
Since the quality was a 10/10 this year on those updates, I'm happy to wait to 2026
I hope they improve the FPS combat. I'd like the fights with the Vanduul to be a lot more brutal and fast paced. We saw NPCs getting thrown around and detroyed by them but they seemed a bit passive when fighting the player
@@kityhawk2000 it was the prologue. The opening scene that creates the setting. I think all of the combat was dumbed down to make the prologue harder to fail as a player, so you could watch the movie. I highly suspect the subsequent chapters will drop that approach, and combat will be difficult
Oh, so they didn't rehash the same videos they have done in past Cons? At least they got one thing right - calling the event a Citizen CON!
Definitely some valid concerns you brought up at the end. Recently had a discussion about this with a friend. The main issue right now with buying ships in game is definitely the wipes, but with their 1.0 plan, those wipes will no longer happen making buying and crafting your ships to keep in game wayy more viable.
This brings up the concern of how difficult or lengthy they'll make it to get ships in game to potentially incentivize just buying them for actual money. And if they do stop selling ships, how else would they be able to appropriately fund the studio to keep building on their ambitions?
These are exciting times to be a fan, but there's definitely room to be concerned with the future of the game, even with the huge advancements it's been making lately.
I've played Starlancer on PC (and on my Dreamcast) and absolutely loved it. Then came Freelancer and that open world was mindblowing and I spent hours on single- and multiplayer. Both were Chris Roberts games but I heard he got fired from developing Freelancer because it was taking him forever to finish it and he required a lot of money. I bought a ship for about 40 dollars at the start of SC and I used to check in once in a while. What you said Luke; it's a great pitch but for me the content is lacking and development is crazy slow. I also didn't enjoy the fanbase's cultish and addictive tendencies. When the game is released, some years from now, I can see myself logging in and see my 40 buck ship getting destroyed after launch by a 50 dollar missile from a 1000 dollar frigate just for a laugh.
The game will not work if what you fear is a likely outcome.
It's always interesting to me how outside gamers looking in think Star Citizen is going to work. You all see dollar signs in everything more than CIG does. $50 missile lmao, does it come with LTI?
The role playing and machinima potential is huge!! Can't wait to see what people make!
They dont just do random wipes because its the point of the game tho, that makes no sense. They wipe because of whatever they are working on at the time needed a wipe... our next wipe is 4.0 people???
When was the last wipe ?
I genuinely cannot remember when the last wipe was. Sometime around 3.18 they stopped needing to do it so frequently
@@sebastiaomendonca1477 and when did 3.18 come out ?
@@mrsasquatch4828 March 10, 2023
@@mrsasquatch4828 Beginning of 2023, getting close to 2 years ago
Wipes have become extremely rare and 1.0 will completely do away with them
@austin962 So why did Luke say what he said ffs? 🤦♂️
30:53 The deal is that you can choose to buy things in the pledge store if you want, or not and earn them ingame. There is literally no issue here whatsoever. In fact, the point of the game is to play it and have fun, so when you skip that you're missing out, making SC basically Pay to Lose.
The 2 biggest things that came out of CitizenCon is what the full release 1.0 game is intended to be and one of the most boring but important things ever for an MMO system is the Friends and Organizations interface that is the most basic thing in all MMOs. The fact we are 12 years into it and still don't have that basic functionality is mind boggling. But what they showed, is exactly what is needed, and we are glad they are finally addressing it. The downside of course is the "When?" question was not answered, and 1.0 features look like they might take a really long time. SC 1.0 2030? Maybe. It is hard to wait this long and know there is significant waiting ahead.
RSI has really failed the customers. It looks like I will be playing this game with my grandson - just hope I am not dead and not physically/mentally incapacitated by the time I get what I paid for. I could have graduated HS, college, married, and while SC created an engine - I created a human being almost ready to enter High School themselves. RSI isn't curing cancer either....FFS
I think the 100km distance between POI's actually encourages exploring, en maybe the excitement of finding something interesting. I kind of like bits of quiet and nothing in between cool stuff. I remember Skyrim felt like you could walk around for a bit without finding anything, and then when you did find something, the excitement was all the more real.
I think calling it a scam is unfair. I think CIG has done a really bad job communicating realistic expectations to their community and they deserve criticism for that, but when you look at what they are doing its actually insane and it makes sense why its taking so long. They aren't just making a game they are also inventing new tech just to run the various systems in this game. I like to compare this game to GTA 6. Consider that GTA 6 is not nearly as complex as Star Citizen, and yet its taking just as long to develop; and apparently with a development price tag twice of Star Citizen; also consider how much time was lost during Covid. Maybe im delusional, i think Star Citizen is taking the proper amount of time to make, the people who are angry simply forgot that they bought into a game thats still in open development. I also know that someone reading this is gonna be foaming at the mouth for trying to say something positive about Star Citizen.
SCAM!
I think a lot of it is they are having to learn how to do most of the things they promised and perhaps they were too hasty to make these promises without looking at the realistic viability of them. A lot of things took longer than they expected and others were found to not be feasible
Seems like if they would use this as a foundation for a narrative-driven roleplaying game then it would be everything Starfield should have been and more.
OMG GUYS!! It’s never been done before! Give them the time they need to do what we all really want! Most studios take forever and then push out trash that needs 10+ updates to be what they promised! Let them take their time to make a game LIKE NEVER BEFORE!
12 years? Really at a cost of 730 million. No company would let them do that because the odds of it ever making 1 penny is next to impossible. It could be a hit and sell 6 million copies and the company would still go broke. You need a mega hit. Those don't come along every day. At $60 they'd need to sell 12 million and they still don't break even. Not every game is Elden Ring in sells. Good games might sell 3 million. You only need to sell this at a $243 a pop to get 730 million back. Good games are not all mega hits.
@@CaseyLynn-i7u people are GIVING them this money, there's no cost at all. You need to go learn about crowd funding and how bottomless the pit of hope can be.
@@CaseyLynn-i7u I would agree if it was a company giving them the funds but it’s not. Like my friend above says, it’s crowd funded. This game only exists because people believe in it, so trust that it will hit! It will be a stable to the new technological innovation of humanity now. It will be a new standard for years to come! I believe in this game and it’s ok if others don’t…but let’s just see what else they do before assuming it’ll never come out. I’d rather wait a full 20 years (which would be ass) for the “best” game that’s ever been crafted. Then 6/7 for some bullshit we’ve seen before trying to pretend to be what this game will be. Hopefully…👀🫣
@@CaseyLynn-i7u To everyone commenting - WTF does it matter where the money came from? If I paid $45 12 years ago - I don't expect to spend $45 today because my son is now 12 and wants to play with me - except we still have to wait another 2 years for the release. This is a game - not curing cancer - and they do have an obligation to deliver something eventually... (EDIT) preferable before I literally die and leave this planet. Continuous feature creep and Chris's vision of another Rolex is getting to be an old excuse fan bois....
@@jondspen They will deliver something, they actually already have. They continue to show progress…again doing something that’s never been done before takes time. If you’re not wanting to back them, because it’s not like they ever promised a full game right now, don’t back them! The $750 million they’ve raised is from people who believe in the game. If you don’t…be glad you didn’t back it. If you do, then be in excited anticipation for what’s to come. They literally have whole conventions every year showing major progress, again on technology that’s has never actually been used before to this level! Give them time to create the game you want.
SC concept is about living another life "in space". It's very ambitious, but aims at being an alternate life, that's why some people are obsessed with the game.
I have no idea if all the money thrown into this game is worth what it is as of today, but this journey sure is something I would not eexpect to see actually happening
I may even finally join the community and give my contribution, whatever it goes to
It's soon a new Free Fly event, so you can test the current alpha before you make a decision :)
Yes try out one of the free events, but you don't have to be a backer if you don't want to. You would always have the option to buy the game when it releases proper
Ehhh....it's only $45...but if you're cool with setting $45 on fire (i.e. spend the money and not expect anything substantial) I would say do it. It's a kinda fun cluster F alpha - if that what you expect for 45 bucks, you won't be disappointed. If you bought in back in 2018 and expected them to somewhat follow a roadmap and be playing SQ 42 in 7 years - you are going to be VERY VERY VERY disappointed.
What was available for the last couple of days after the Citcon was an essentially unplayable game where every server lagged by up to 2 minutes and/or server-crashed within 20 mins regular.
Luke unfortunately you skipped over the 1.0 discussion right to endgame. Detailing what they’re targeting for a launch version of the game for the first time is a very important topic and more tangible right now than endgame content. The video for this part of the presentation was just uploaded and it is called The Stars My Destination: Star Citizen 1.0. Edit: Spare me the “CIG doesn’t deliver” comments. Yeah, duh, we all know what they say and what actually happens are two different things. I’m not saying any different or defending them. I’m saying that if you’re going to talk CitizenCon then it’s important to talk about CIG outlining their plans for 1.0 because it’s the first time since the scope of the game massively increased that they have done that. For everyone following the project this was the most important part of the convention but most of the coverage is skipping over it.
The important thing about 1.0 is how little of the game it will have in it, dozens of things still missing and NPC crew and advanced NPC behavior is not even on the list and already confirmed to be not a priority and getting worked on sometime after 1.0
@@MrImmortal709Sure and that is the type of stuff that he would discuss if he watches it.
...because they have been so honest and on the mark with all their other timelines. Okay.....
@@jondspen Again, something Luke would address in discussion. I’m not white knighting, I’m just saying that CIG outlining their intentions for 1.0 should be part of this discussion.
@@jondspen For example, Star Citizen originally planned to launch with 100 star systems and now it’s 5. Don’t you guys think that is worthy of mentioning that is this discussion? That was my intention.
Hey Luke, If I remember rightly, the in-game ships getting wiped with new patches was a bug they are still trying to fix. Also, they have two versions of the Star Lancer, and one is coming out in the next patch next month with IAE. I worry about the end game with Orgs as most Orgs have multiple of the biggest capital ships on their accounts which could completely ruin the game as people may not have the chance to build up bases or stations before the systems get locked down by them but I hope the game just gets enjoyed by everyone. It was such a bad idea to announce SQ42 when it is still 2 years away and they didn't even say that this was the definite release date they just said they feel confident that they will hit this. But saying I still love the game and backed in 2016 so any progress is good news.😂
$730,000,000 funding divided by 22,828,453 players = $31.97 per player. So that again divided by, let's say, 10 years is like $3.19 a year. Well they used every penny very good I would say.
People waste more money on gambling etc. then in Star Citizen.
After 1.0 no wipes anymore.
And it is: planet (some with moon) - solar system - galaxy - galaxy clusters in different sizes - universe. We will never have galaxies or above in Star Citizen (ok, never say never).
Still a good video tho - keep 'em coming.
"People waste more money on gambling etc. then in Star Citizen."
This is a misnomer. By your logic if we divide all potential gamblers by total money spent gambling, it would also be extraordinarily low. That is not the reality; both have their whales, and both aren't necessarily healthy for industry or personal wellbeing. While Star Citizen is a programming marvel and game I personally enjoy, there are individuals who - for lack of a better term - have a problem.
The issues that self-evidently arise from how we conduct business is not mutually exclusive to our responsibility to improve ourselves. Some arguments range from "Oh, the rich buy fancy cars, why not sell fancy ships?" to a resounding "Who cares." It seems people are really missing the point.
I've been saying it for years. I can absolutely see this game being my dream tribute game to Cowboy Bebop. I can just picture it so easily, drifting in orbit of some random moon, anti-gravity floating in a cargo hold of my ship with the old school sax jazz playing.
28:38 Imagine having a second job as a ship cleaner or cook or something like that 😂😂
Thats what npcs are for, funny idea tho 😂
@@DerKilianist Well, people who pay these outrageous amounts for virtual ships think all other poorer playes are NPCs to them anyway.
@@DerKilianist My future title in Star Citizen will be the best back massage expert in the Galaxy. I'm very good at it, trust me 😂
Most larger ships are bought for an org for use as a group. Many ships are totally useless solo.
My man you're joking..... but we have genuinely seen people who advocated for janitorial quests lmao
I feel like I should mention that the server wipes you were speaking of will stop once the game is released which was explicitly restated during the presentation speaking about their 1.0 release features. They only do server wipes currently because its alpha and they are still testing things.
Until the game actually comes out, I don't trust anything they really show honestly. Until then it's just another "The Day Before" for me. All I've seen so far are trailers with famous actors and what is currently available seems like Microsoft Flight Sim on steroids.
They generally deliver, just late.
@@myrchantkobold8268 I mean have they delivered anything yet? It's been a decade and they haven't actually released a finished game.
@@BlueBloodPenn Mate the game will never be finished. It's a constantly evolving project with an evolving engine. What you could say is they haven't released a game with a completed game loop, which is what they plan on doing for Star Citizen 1.0. But that is years away
@@Icerz. When I said finished game I mean a complete game, so yeh it’s the same thing. Technically you could argue that no game is ever finished as you can constantly add new things, work just stops on them.
As a backer I think it's a minor win.
It's a win because they managed to finally lock into a vision so people KNOW what they are paying for.
Minor because it's gonna take many years to implement all they went for, and that considering server mesh is solved soon-ish.
Insurance, taxes, work shifts, a job on a ship.... thank god what I always wanted. A second job that I need my first job to fund.
That’s always been the MMO core concept. RuneScape started it all.
(Edit) I’m really only waiting for the single player because Star citizen is going to a lot more time consuming than other MMO because of travel time.
@@thomasrial4444 True but for most MMO your not dealing with similar constraints that you are in the real world. There is also goals in MMO, beating a boss etc. Something to achieve or surpass other than just get a bigger thing.
I don't see the point or need to ever buy a big ship when it's going to cost so much to run it or just keep it. What does that big ship let you do that the smallest ship doesn't?
@@BlueBloodPenn Large ships are designed specifically for organizations. Not for individual players.
@@astronotics531 So as a player, why would I want to be in an organization on a large ship?
And if they are designed for organizations, why should a player care at all about trying to work towards a bigger ship since I can't do anything with it myself?
@@BlueBloodPenn There are literal capital ships that serve different functions such as Trade, Crafting (like crafting huge bases on planets or in space), Salvaging (bigger ships allow you to salvage faster and store larger amounts of salvage for trade), War ships (basically naval aircraft carries with good defenses and large weapons), Supply ships (moving materials, ammo, weapons, food, crafting materials, vehicles, components) across the universe, I'm sure there are more examples. The point is that these larger ships act as hubs for an organization/large group of players to operate in and out of to progress in the game in whatever way the choose. These large ships are not designed for a solo player or even a small group. At citizen con they also showed one of the "bosses" a massive sandworm that's bigger than a capital ship that takes a large group of players to take down and then you loot the "boss" for crafting materials and other items you can trade for money. This was just one of many more large scale "bosses" to come. Not to mention there is already the Idris capital ship battle in game which is technically a group boss along with other large events that are put on throughout the year. Obviously at the moment the only real point is to make money to buy better ship or vehicles, but once these things make it to the live branch we will have bases which will be the start of large scale wars between orgs with their 1,000 player plus server meshing and many other gameplay opportunities to explore the verse. There is so many things that could really make this game stand out and the hardest part is waiting for them to make it into the game. It sucks but they really are getting closer and closer every year. I'll wait as long as it takes to get this game where it plans to be. There is nothing like it, even in its current state.
41:25 I can't remember the last full wipe, it has been so long. Usually in wipes you loose consumables, cargo, jobs (ammo, drinks, food, commodities, refinery orders) but keep you ships, components, weapons, armour and either you are given an amount of credits based on how much you played the last patch and your current balance or you just keep your current balance of credits. That has been the case for quite some time now. That's why you will see players on reddit and ingame reminding everyone to sell their cargo etc before a patch is expected.
The monetization of Star Citizen will forever keep me away from their project.
What monetization? The game is in development, if you want to back the game then you can do so for a reward, but everything is still earnable in game
@rayaan6951 as was stated in the video. Your earned items can and will be reset. If I buy it with real-world money, I get to keep it forever. Also 300 to multi thousand dollar items is monetization
@@insanelyberserk3778 The wipes have actually become quite rare. I bought several ships in the game and still own them, even though several patches have already been released. The money is still there too. Everything that has to do with ‘long-term persistence’, so to speak (and that includes e. g. ships, armour or weapons), was not wiped lately. And as soon as SC reaches version 1.0, wipes will be a thing of the past anyway, if not sooner.
And as for your ‘300 to thousands of dollars’ statement: You only need one starter pack and it's enough if you only have the cheapest one. Everything else is optional! Means no one's forced to pay extra or something like that.
They need to transition into only customisation microtransactions and away from selling ships. People who bought them as supporters keep them and it would not longer ruin to ingame economy after release, just like in other MMOs.
Not sure if skins can pay for all the AWS costs without a monthly subscriptions like other MMOs. Unless they sell skins for hundreds of dollars like POE. What is the difference at tht point. People who will still buy new ships with real money dont have time to grind or compete with players who grind.