Tesla Model 2 battery will charge in 10 minutes at insane speed in cold weather
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Love the way you always give a synopsis before you say hello :D. Hope u r recovering fast.
😊 thank you
I am curious about the market potential of such a vehicle. Compact hatchbacks are not very popular in the US, competition is Europe will be fierce while China is already kind of lost for this vehicle as Chinese automakers like BYD already sell 25k cars like the Seal.
Keep in mind, the 10 minute fast charging speeds are only required for road trips. Level 1 and 2 charging is more than adequate for 90% of drivers. I use level 1 and 2 charging 98% of the time and I live in one of the coldest areas of Canada while commuting over 200 kms per day.
No loss of power in cold climate is huge with this battery pack
NOOOOOOO!!!!! What you say cannot be possible. AAAAEEEEEEIIIIIIIII !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Level 1, no. It takes a full day to charge from 50%.
I find this difficult to believe as a Model 3 Long Range owner. At level one it takes me a couple of days to fully charge from the middle. (While avoiding the highest cost part of the day.)
@@ConstanceCoxfor a short daily commute that’s not a problem.
Hope it’s a hatchback. Tesla model 3 would be a ideal car if it would be a Hatchback. Sedans are so unpractical
its called the model y
@@b4804514 The smaller brother of the Model Y will be called Model Q.
The word is 'impractical' and no they're not, though I prefer hatchbacks too.
I've heard confirmations it will be a mini Model Y crossover, with no glass roof and steer by wire to get the price down.
@@yeahbuddy92193911 they announced both. A smaller, cheaper Model Y and a smaller, cheaper Model 3. You be the judge which one of those will be the Model 2 and which one the Model Q.
If I got a dollar for every time I heard “revolutionary”, “groundbreaking”, “high density”, “cheap manufacturing” batteries, I would be a millionaire!
Agreed. But in this case the story is different. This is not an experimental new battery technology in some lab somewhere. Shenxing batteries are now being produced and are hitting vehicles now. They're existing battery technology improved drastically with good 'ol engineering and an interesting trick to make the graphite anode more porous. The 4C charging rate also has been already confirmed. But even if consumer vehicles just hit 3C, that's already great, because the former slow charging speed of LFP was holding it back.
Well, that’s because batteries were 80% cheaper in 2014 than 2004, and 80% cheaper in 2024 than 2014. The revolution is happening every year and batteries will (probably) be 80% cheaper than they are today in 2034…
If food/ rent/ video games/ Netflix did that, I wouldn’t be a millionaire, but most of the money I spend living paycheck to paycheck, wouldn’t get spent on anything but the stock market. Which would be stupid because why invest when your dollars are becoming more valuable every year. Hell, by the time I retire I could afford to live the rest of my life off a single paycheck
Unless you got a home battery storage system you'll be ff'ed & sitting around in queue
@@simonbutler6019 That "home battery storage system" is called EV. Most people drive ~50 km/day. That kind of range can be reloaded with an hour of charging at a plain AC outlet. With a modest 400 km range, you can drive over a week before you're gonna have to charge back up again.
no matter how much cheaper the batteries become, the price of EV's will continue to increase, and will remain substantially higher than equivalent I.C.E. cars.
There are a lot of anti ev comments here! I can tell after 3 years of owning a now soon 8 years old high mileage Model S I am happy that there was no significant maintenance cost and it saved me £3k/$4k a year. Had no range loss since I have the car and still has 90% of its original range when it came out. It’s still has a couple of months warranty. It never been serviced on the high voltage battery or the motor.
But how much is a set of tires and how many did you buy ?
Most of the Anti-EV trolls are people with careers involving the sales and servicing of gasoline and diesel vehicles (especially new car dealers and their employees). They see mass adoption of EV's as an existential threat to their career choice. According to the NADA's website most dealerships make over 40% of their total profits from the sales of parts, service, financial and insurance products. All of these products depend upon the greater maintenance and repair needs of gasoline and diesel vehicles. Most dealers depend on these profits just to keep the lights on. They'll deny this vehemently as it undermines their narrative on ICE vehicle quality and their reasons for preferring them. Spend enough time following the comment forums under EV articles and you'll see the same names. They now troll them incessantly spreading nonsense in an effort to discourage interest in electric vehicles.
@@matronix1977 Model 3 owner here. Tyre wear is absolutely “normal”; the propaganda is lying. If you drive the car as a “performance” vehicle you can expect high tyre wear - the power is certainly there. But if you drive it more moderately, expect the usual specs for the tyres involved. EV owners tend to appreciate the quietness; and quiet tyres don’t last as long, but if that is an issue for you, just buy tyres with a longer range and put up with the extra noise.
"No range loss" -- I'm sorry, but I don't believe that. Nonsense.
@@matronix1977 it’s a valid question about the tires. Once when I bought the car at 117k miles on the odometer I put two new Michelins on the rear. The previous owner used budget tires on it. After 2years and 35k miles later the rear tire’s worn under the limit and the car became a bit slippery on wet roads. At the time around a year ago I was broke so I decided to buy a cheaper ( half the cost of the proper )tires which are not reinforced so not really ev tires.
It’s a softer ride less sharper turns and a bit inefficient on higher speeds but in the rain it’s performs pretty well. I payed less that £400 for the tires with the alignment, so they are not really expensive if you just use them on average speed and not trying to drive it as a race car. Again I really enjoy the softening of the bumps and holes the previous tires made me feel every imperfections on the road as I have no air suspension
Every sort of 70k mile’s suspension arms need to change on the front axle as they develop a play on the bushes and that’s what I about to do now at 158k miles. This cost around £1000 which includes alignment and 3 hour labour and original Tesla parts(£717 for both arms)
keep up the great work...bought a model Y 3 days ago because of you!
This week, the dual motor, long range, 0-60 MPH in 4.8 secs is cheaper than the single motor (0-to-60 in 6.5 secs)
Many early Buyers are not happy that they did not wait.
Thank you for the information, here in Portland, Oregon, the Nissan Leaf is popular enough for people who are on a budget. You see these cars everywhere as they are in reality accessible to people who are not upper middle class or even middle class economic profile. These consumes want affordable options and used EV's are what is accessible. On top of that, EV Rides focuses on keeping older Nissan Leafs all the way form 2011/12 to current models running by replacing different certified battery packs to extend rage if you want to pay for 40kWh or 62kWh to deal with anyone who wants longer range. They also are dealing with older Teslas as well. We need more of these companies dealing with a horde of soon to be inefficient and dying battery cells in packs that can be replaced and have the car be dependable and useable. If we don't invest in switching out old battery packs for new efficient ones then the EV market is shooting itself in foot.
I wish everyone well!
Yes. Agreed. 2015 Leaf owner bought new. @131k miles I opted to buy a 62kWh pack to replace the OEM 24 kWh pack (83% health at seven years of age). Expensive, but I enjoy the new range with my Leaf (180 miles freeway / 200+ miles on secondary roads).
@@lelandhetrick205 - How expensive ?
@@Clyde-2055 $14k for this 62kWh pack with a guarantee of 90%+ Health. Mine is 97%. Of course they did as a turnkey replacement. I only forked over a check. They installed the third-party hardware and software update so the car would recognize the new pack. They test drove it so the pack was used up and then recharged (240-Volt since only the smaller port was available on my car) to full. They had it for a few weeks for tests and checks.
Thanks Sam. Nice and interesting update! Exiting times we live in, especially for us car/tech entusiasts . Happy Easter celebration !
I remember when some TH-camr was claiming that Tesla was so far ahead in battery technology. They are now licensing another company's battery technology just like the rest of the car manufacturers. All that development money wasted.
It is very normal that batteries charge faster in cold weather. I think that is true for most batteries. You just have to precondition them and once you have done that, it is much easier to keep them at the right temperature when the outside temperature is low. This does not mean that they have solved any cold weather issues that arise when you did not precondition the battery.
Tesla will continue making the various flavors of 4680 cells. Tesla and BYD are the world's largest manufacturer of battery electric vehicles. In Germany Tesla uses BYD batteries.
Tesla is smart enougg to use or license any good technology.
They have preconditioning for ICE as well, its called a plug in block heater. I can tell you from experience the car doesnt turn over without it in the cold climates!
How much continuous power does it take to charge a 80kW/Hr battery from 1% to 100% in 10 minutes ? 500,000 Watts (i.e. Half a Megawatt !!)
At this point, battery isn't the limiting factor ... the grid is ...
You say it a lot but on this I agree, fast charging is the game changer. Maximum range matters a lot less if you can recharge in less than 10 minutes. That means you don't need as big a battery, saving weight and cost. It's just a matter of building out the infrastructure.
Exactly! It would also not really make sense if the model 2 would have better range than a model 3 and better charging. The model 3 and y has to be better in some way
Agreed. If I get a cheap, compact, efficient EV with a 40-50 kWh battery, that I can recharge in 15 minutes, I've got my dream car. More than enough range for daily driving. Still bearable waiting times on a 600 km trip. I still think the Hyundai Ioniq 2021 is one of the most interesting EVs on the market, if it weren't for that slow charging speed. That one with a Shenxing-battery of same size? My dream car.
Sam, understanding yr battery explanations is always a bit of a challenge, here’s my take:
4680 is the dimensions of some Tesla batteries. Batteries of different technologies/chemistries can be and have been made to these dimensions. LFP is an abbreviation for lithium, iron, phosphate, which is one type of battery technology/chemistry.) M3P is a (not widely) used term for one manufacturers LFP batteries that have had manganese cleverly added for some improved performance.
I am guessing (?) that when you say “4680” you are actually meaning Tesla’s current established LFP batteries. For the purpose of this post, let’s call these LFP type 1. And let’s call M3P batteries LFP type 2. In this article you are assuming, based of fast charging predictions, that the Model 2 will have some new tech enhanced LFP batteries. Alternatively the predictions could just be because the Model 2 will be relatively light and the battery will be relatively small. Either way there are still only 2 Tesla LFP battery technologies, the current (type 1) and the expected (type 2). In future there will still be two, the current (type 2) and the superseded (type 1)?
In the meantime, please can you try and avoid using battery dimensions to imply battery chemistry?
A smaller battery would not charge any faster in any appropriate situation. The bottlenecks are in the cell chemistry, and in cooling the cells, and Tesla is not going to overspec cooling on their cheap car.
Things are getting exciting 😊cheers Sam 👍
no such thing
@@zes7215 love not hate 😎
Remember the Dustbuster? Well, the Chinese minivan looks like one. GM had "dustbuster" models in the 1990's!
gm was "GM" back than 😅
bro, GM built the EV-1 !
....once upon a time 🖖🏽
gm is done
It’s died prematurely 😀
Oh you mean sleek and streamlined!😊😊
always great thank you
Enjoyed this one, id love to see you do some bits on trends in sales of things Model 3 vs Camry or Model 3 vs BMW 3 and Mercedes C over the last few years.
All you need to know is that BEV sales are increasing, if at a slower rate, and ICE sales are declining. People are buying fewer cars in general. Economic factors: Rising interest rates, inflation, or economic uncertainty can lead people to delay car purchases altogether.
Thanks Sam.
VP of North America operation Mr. Tom Zhou
is pushing the production of batteries 🔋.
I figured out that if there is more own batteries 🪫,
then maybe more EVs?
Cybertruck & Semi-Trucks needed a lot of batteries 🔋, I think 🤔?
Whatever the amount of batteries are made ,
it will be swallowed with no time, IMO?
If that happens, maybe a little bonus for Tom and his friends
from China 🇨🇳?
Tesla has been pushing the production of batteries for years.
Fast charging generates a lot of heat in the battery. This heat needs to be removed by a cooling system, which uses energy. Cooling is much easier and uses less energy when the air temp is below freezing. The energy saved can be used to charge, hence faster charging.
Think about it Doug. We don't know how much heat these new cells will generate. I can tell you that it must be far less than existing cells or 10 minute charges would cook them unless they start out packed in dry ice. Not a scientific observation.
Again, those lovers of electric Jesus never takes the charging loss into the equation when it comes to overall efficiency
@@yslee1401 The only true metric is from the well to the tire for ICE. From the natural gas well to the tire for electric. Ignoring all green energy. Not seen that. But for me it is more about replacing natural gas power plants with green energy and EVs will run nearly pollution free. Of course that is something else to debate.
You don’t have to worry about the heat with LFP battery packs. You may not even need any cooling at all. They can take up to 180°F without causing any problems. They can also be emptied to zero and held at 100% without any degradation. They don’t catch fire like other batteries. Right now, LFP batteries are the best!
Thanks Viking.
Hope your foot is improving.
If I am a supermarket, or a shopping mall, i'm looking at putting in charging stations pronto. Movie theaters?
This model at this price range is truly the EV for the masses- and that means a high percentage of apartment dwellers in the US.
400K range is 240 mile range. 10-80% charge indicates a range reduction to 168 miles. Adjusting to highway speeds reduces to charging a bit more often than every 2 hours. Charging for 10 minutes plus several minutes to get off the highway and back on.
And the charging infrastructure needed is not available on Tesla V3 superchargers.
Still fails to meet the needs of long distance travel.
How much range would an EV need to have for you to consider one?
@@tysonn4736 500... no, 1000... no, 2000 miles - and fill up in 10 seconds. That's what my (fictitious) diesel car does! On one gallon of fuel! And I always drive non-stop the whole way too!
I'm waiting for an affordable 600km plus. I'd rather go with the BYD blade battery for the 0 to 100% charging too. Loping off 40% of battery capacity makes no sense to me at all
Less than three percent of vehicles do that sort of travel regularly. Accept change and stop polluting the planet 🌎!
Err, the 400 km charge in 10 minutes _is_ the advertised 10-80% charge with a 4C charging rate! But this assumes a ~80 kWh battery. Yes, the highway range will be lower, but that depends on the efficiency and aerodynamics of the car, not on whatever "10-80% charge indicator".
And a 10-15 min break after 2-3 hours of driving is more than suitable for long distance travel. Are you also peeing in a bottle on road trips? A break short break doesn't kill you and this already aligns with typical break habits of road trips. Who wants to sit in a car for 10 hours straight?
Modern non-Tesla DC chargers are spec'd for 350 kW. v3 Tesla super chargers are software limited to 250 kW, but are built to allow over 300 kW too.
This will be more popular in Europe, where cars are smaller.
Unfortunately that was true 7 years ago.
Cars here in Europe are badly inflating to match their inflating price. Because inflation of course weakens the value of profits, therefore business logic dictates that the prices be inflated more and the cars' footprints inflate to look competitive for the value for money with the size increases.
I Will wait for it
@@toyotaprius79 until they allow China to enter the market
JUST LIKE CYBERTRUCKS 500 MILE RANGE LOL THIS IS TOTAL FANTASTY AND BS!
@@itsyo42It will never happend in US imo
Good video, Thanks, Sam.
thanks Viking
10 minutes, 15 minutes? Which is it? This report sounds like a statement of self assurance. Charging speeds are relative - battery preconditioning, grid capacity, conga line of recharge customers, take your pick. It’s all a compromise and no where close enough to equivalence. For the moment, smaller packs and less range are the most interesting developments, IMO.
my home town has built 6 gas stations and 4 car washes in the last 6 months in my area alone... and not a single charging station in the whole county.
@@renaissanceman5847unless you live in the dark you can charge an electric vehicle at home and wash it there as well. You won’t have to use those toxic gas stations ever again.😊
@@malcolmrickarby2313 less and less people can afford a home. homes are not being built with fast chargers either. the best they can do is mid level charging from the 220v off the panel backplane. the standard 150 Amp panel for a typical home cannot handle the current draw either. thus most people are stuck trying to charge off a 120v plug which requires the EV sit on it for 12 hours a day provided you dont take it far. it makes no sense to get an EV for 80% of the population that cannot afford this luxury to begin with
It's both. The Shenxing reportedly has a charging rate of 4C. That means: 15 minutes for 0-100%. But they advertise a time of 10 minutes for 10-80%, which is pretty realistic with a 4C charging rate and also already has been demonstrated with the Li Mega.
But I agree, the biggest benefit of this development is a bigger charging power for smaller packs. A 40-50 kWh pack would be more than enough for me, but I don't want to wait 30-40 minutes for 200 km range. But 15 minutes? I can live with that.
@@berndborte8214 Perhaps the Viking should get you to write his scripts. 😀. So much confusion in what he says sometimes, it’s hard to keep track of what he is actually saying, or quoting. 4C is a big step, but the theory of battery charging has to be measured against real world testing. 15 minutes to recharge 100% might be fine in theory, but it would need a 40-50 degree battery pack preconditioned (as only the Chinese know how) to see if this works in reality. Tesla Bjorn is a good judge of this when he tries to achieve the claimed recharge rate coming in off a 1 hour 110kmh driving stint to a rapid charge station. Very rarely can he achieve anything like the stated claim, and only then for perhaps 40-50% capacity. Granted, they are not those battery types, but…….. After that there is little or no advantage remaining at that stop. Better to move on, and frankly who has the time to waste on these charge times in the first place. It’s not going to cut it if it’s not equivalent to ICE unfortunately.
A lot of smarter minds are turning their attention to 40kWh urban vehicles now, and this is where my interest is. EVs that can do 60-80km for running around town and can be charged at home on 7.2 or 11kW AC charging. Where I am, long range needs to be 1000km in about 10 hours with one major stop for 20 minutes and a pit stop very 2 hours for 5 minutes (to change driver and water the weeds). Hybrids might be the answer here (as they are starting to prove popular), but they are complex and expensive. So, unless this battery tech can really cut the mustard on equivalence…………. Just my opinion in all of this.
When is the golden CATL battery going in the highland?
You've answered most of my questions. Indeed; range, power, charging speed are the key ingredients for the future of vehicles. And either the car companies will adapt or die like dinosaurs. You did a very comprehensive study here. I am subscribed! Cheers!
We take a long trip once a year. Spent 1hr in superchargers during which we enjoy restroom, coffee, snake. We actually save 52 gas station fill up before with the Ford Edge, meaning saving 10 minutes x52 weeks= 520 minutes ( 9hrs/year) since we charge at home. My wife has the same time saving.Together we save at least 18 hrs a year . With new CALT batteries ICE cars will extinct
Astonishing speed of getting things done!
Doesn’t exist yet
Demand may ramp up that quickly but I suspect Supply will struggle to keep up.
On the contrary, the reverse is likely the likely scenario
Hi Sam,do you think new Model 3 RWD or LR would be worth the $10k extra in Australia (considering it’s not our long range vehicle as we have a q7 as our family Holliday travel vehicle. Thx for any thoughts. Appreciated
Thank you
Welcome!
Only Fred Flintstone purchases an ice (age) car three years from now, yabba dabba don't. Can't wait for the Tesla model 2 to hit the EV market. I agree with Viking that the new LMFP battery is a real game changer, and this is only the beginning. Mass produced graphene is almost there, which will improve batteries of all types of chemistry. An Aptera could have 1,500 mile range with LMFP batteries, and have a very high 'miles/sec' fast-charge figure, that surpasses a regular petrol reload miles/sec. The future of the EV is amazing, a 2000 miles per-charge ultra efficient solar EV is around the corner.
now add some real life numbers to your claims pls . what capacity is being transferred in what amount of time . very and fast is pretty relative right ?
I just googled an “Aptera”.
That’s one scary looking vehicle !
10 minute charge will be a game changer, but not if it shortens the life of a battery
Exactly. The details MATTER A LOT. Only when such things are PROVEN over time, re the claims meaningful.
Too much FSD hype and other Musk hype keeps me in the "show me" mode -- and it will take time and volume to prove durability, reliability, etc.
BYD 5min full charge has already been announced in china .
@@eddylee3826 link please
will never be a real life situation ... make all the fast charging batteries you want, the current grid infrastructure can't supply the current required, especially for multiple vehicles at once at a charging station.
CATL CEO talked about battery technology becoming cheaper because of their life expectancy growing bigger thanks to their newly developed cathode
Yes sir! The World is waiting. Thanks Sam as always! A+
Any time!
Thanks, Sam!
I agree cheers mate
It seems Just about every electrical engineering post graduate student is working on improving battery performance. Expect improvements in leaps and bounds in the coming years.
I've been waiting for a small EV, like the Model 2, since it was first rumored. Hopefully, the 2001 Saturn I'm still driving will last until the Model 2 becomes a reality.
dont expect an EV to last more than 7 years. that cheap ICE car lasting 20 years is common for good 4 cylinder engines like toyotas, Nissans and the like that are taken care of
@@renaissanceman5847 Kelley Blue Book says that EVs can last as long as or longer than ICE vehicles because they don't have as many mechanical components. Batteries keep getting better and your ICE cars all have tail pipes.
@@renaissanceman5847 You're not up to date. 8-10 years and 160.000-200.000 km is already the typical manufacturer warranty!
A modern Li-NMC battery gets 2000 cycles. With a range of 400-500 km that's more than enough for over 500.000 km of lifetime range. And then we haven't talked about LFP batteries with 5000-8000 cycles yet.
An EV battery is something completely different than your worn-out phone battery, that you charge willy-nilly every day.
Now more and more small EVs with a decent range hit the market in Europe. Renault R5, Citroen e-C3, Hyundai Caspar, Fiat Pandina, etc. And then also coming up of course Tesla Model 2, VW ID.2, Skoda Epiq. I'm really looking forward to the next few years.
@@berndborte8214 manufacturers will never allow you to have a paid off car for more than 3 years. EV manufacturers are not about saving the planet... they are about ensnaring you and keeping you buying a new EV every 8 years... there is no money in cures and no money in products that last forever... the primary element is lithium... the other elements is all about longevity or capacity ... Ive kept cars for at least 15 years... with over 250,000 miles. and the reason this was possible was the ability of the owner to DIY repairs with aftermarket parts. that isnt happening with an EV. EVs may not have as many moving parts... but they have 100x more microscopic electronic components.. none designed to last and none DIY repairable or even replaceable. just like modern computers that degrade after 4 years.
In Finland commercial buildings which have parking for 20 cars ot more, have to install chargers before 01.01.2025, so they have about 9 months to go. Other choice could be that can remove some parking so they only have 19 spots for parking.
Build a commercial toilet (pay toilet) in front of every group of 19 parking spaces …
current i.e. (electricity) has less resistance when it is colder because the molecules are less active, meaning it will charge FASTER
You got it 100% wrong. Internal resistance of batteries rises as temperatures drop, increasing charge times. Battery capacity also drops with lower temperatures.
@@tinetannies4637 Which is why they came up with battery preconditioning.
@@tinetannies4637 I didn't say anything about the batteries I was talk about the flow of electricity. but while your can you explain why the batteries are charging faster from what he said in this video
@@user-pi9fc4zx2v I think he was referring to charging in a relative sense. That is, LIP batteries charge faster than LI batteries in the cold, and also function better than LI in the cold. But I don't think he meant that LIP batteries charge better in the cold than LIP batteries charge at warmer temperatures.
Can't wait to order a model"2" hopefully a Performance model.
I'm thinking the Model 2 might take sales away from other Tesla models so the sales won't be 100% net gain. However, it will bring new buyers to the brand.
Should attract more small car and budget conscious buyers to the brand.
Sure. from used model 3s. or from a model 3 someone could afford in 2 years. but the model 2 will allow them to sell a model 2 next year. to them instead. plus in 3 years, maybe get the trade in on a model 3 with the guy can get the next tax credit that is two auto sales not going to another buyer.
@@BarryObaminable If it's a hatchback some buyers would rather have that than the model 3. Or maybe just for the smaller size.
I see would be used car buyers buying Gen 3 cars.
For every $10k reduction in price, there is an exponential increase in demand.
I can tell you're excited Sam, with talking speeds faster than a Scotsman on crack!
I share this excitement and can't wait for the Model 2 to arrive.
Have resisted the temptation to purchase a BYD Dolphin for what seems like forever.
Thanks for the info. This car just keeps on getting better with time. Hopefully not vapourware for much longer.
What do you know about Canoo's battery technology and plans for production?
This is not game changing, this is World changer
Underserved hype.
The game is bigger than the world!
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 can you expand on what you mean? What application can this be impactful outside the world?
What I mean by World Changer is that it exceed the problem of "takes too long to charge EVs", a 25k car with 500kW DC fast charging is far more than industry leading, this is like what we would expect in 2030s, but 5~6 years earlier.
How can any other battery tech compete?
will never happen in a real life situation, the current required isn't available from the grid, especially for multiple vehicles at once. So keep dreaming.
One existing problem is that where I live there is a shortage of electricity production to begin with. Rolling blackouts happen every summer.
Furthermore, fossil fuels will be needed for some time to come.
Blackouts happen during high energy usage..
AC usage is a lot lower during the night.
Factories and stores are closed .
Lights are turned off while sleeping
You charge your EV during the night.
If you already have blackouts, then your solution is wrong.
Without saying where you are it is nearly impossible to respond to your post.
@@danharold3087 A blue state where green energy is not only intermittent, it’s required at a certain level.
@@danharold3087 Ps. I have a Tesla and over 30 panels, but that cost a lot. I have a house so I’m lucky and can do this.
I wish you had some numbers on this. 10 percent more is still not as much an NMC the other qualitys sound good.
How is your foot? been there done that good luck it will take work but you will get there
This is going to be bloody great
Rapid charging destroys Lithium polymer cells fast. We as pro model flyers with large Helicopters figured that out 10 years ago. the battery packs lasted maybe 100 cycles before they swelled... if we did the standard slow charge and kept the temps in check we could get the rated 300 cycles from them.... after that the Ah ratings dropped progressively. Phosphate cells have the same issue with heat
He said it in the video and title in cold weather 0C or 32F or colder the colder the better
Not true, sorry ,the problem is heat and Tesla's have active thermo management so not really an issue. All of the best practices for charging your particular Tesla battery pack are easy to find and they're not all the same chemistry or design.
I think things may be different now with today's battery technology. Things change a lot in 10 years so what you observed 10 years ago may not still apply. That would be my guess.
LiPo is old tech. Current cars and phones are way ahead. Just think, in the Model 3 4000 cells measuring 21mm x 70mm power the car for say 400 km. So 10 of these (a handful) power the car for 1km at 100 kph. And can be recharged 1500 times.
Wow if only Tesla had asked you before they offered an 8 year guarantee on their batteries.
Hi Sam. Not sure we should be as excited about a CATL battery, which any auto manufacturer could access, vs a proprietary Tesla battery and technology. Your thoughts?
Do you have any idea what kind of grid load these chargers will be? For fixed infrastructure (resistance) losses go up as the square of the current. 1/6th the charging time? That is 36 times as much loss. A 50 KWh battery would require a 300KW charger. That is 1,000 Amps at 300 volts. Not counting losses.
Not that great a load in the industrial market. That would be like a 400HP motor. A 400HP motor is common for pumping water, and other industrial needs.
I do want this car!! Hope it fits in my garage!!
It'll probably burn down your garage too.
@@gconoland the house too
@@gconolFalse, the most fire auto occasions are in gas and diesel, followed by Hybrids , followed by Pure battery EVs, followed by Tesla EVs,
@@mikedar8484 True - given that a large proportion of Teslas these days are LFP.
@@mikedar8484
Your assumption is skewed. The number of fire incidents doesn't take into account the number of cars (Fossil vs EV) and Time in the industry. Fossil cars have been around for a hundred years now ?? And there's billions of them around the world so obviously the incidents of fire over time will appear to be much higher than EV.
On the other hand, EVs are small in numbers and only recently been introduced to the car industry. And despite that, the number of fires is quite alarming...
Game changing iv heard that before
Japan sent its vehicles manufacturing to the USA market as the Japanese economy flat lined. Decades ago.
China may do the same with its battery and PV panels manufacturing industries.
I'm sure the Model 2 will have some cool features (although I'm not taking much notice of this early information - as time again things change), but its going to have some stiff Chinese competition (likely even stronger by the time the Model 2 is actually delivered) - such as the MG4 that's already in the same price band (at least here NZ with base model). This is all good for the consumer though.
According to DriveElectric the cheapest EV in NZ is the GWM Ora at almost exactly US$25000 (+GST). Toyota Prius PHEV costs more and only has 45km electric range. If Tesla Model 2 can beat that it truly will be a 'game changer'.
The effect of all of these “game changing” announcements and predictions about better batteries, cheaper vehicles, vehicle to load/home/grid technology is to suggest to the rational prospective EV buyer is to wait. Frankly if you bought any EV today it will be an out of date and quickly depreciating unit before it is even delivered. There is an optimum time for us ordinary consumers to buy an EV. It is not yet.
ICE vehicles are developing at an almost dead snails pace, so therefore people should buy those instead?
@@joenavarro2973 hard to argue with a new Nissan Versa at $23,000 that gets 40 mpg and 4 tires only cost $200... and the insurance runs $85 a month. and majority of the drive train parts can be found at most all DIY parts stores online and in person.
For someone who drives enough, the cost savings of driving an EV, i.e. fuel vs charging costs, and reduced maintenance costs, mean it is worth buying an EV, new or used, now. Better charging speeds and vehicle to load/home/grid are nice but not necessary for most people.
I agree. It's not a matter of buy ev or buy ice. It's do not buy at all and wait for model 2. If the range is real world 500km in winter they will sell like hot cakes.
I started building an off-grid solar system for my house in 2021 . The technology has improved and the price has fallen for panels,batteries,and inverters so that I would not buy the equipment now that I already have if I were to do it again.
However,I don’t regret having started sooner because I’ve already recovered a large part of my investment.
I’m saving to buy a M 2 or something similar regardless of the likelihood that a better product might come out later.
If a product meets my needs,why wait. I’m getting older.
It must be remembered that the Tesla/SpaceX collaboration has many benefits. It is easier for Tesla to design vehicles that work well in cold winter conditions after designing vehicles than work well in cold interplanetary space conditions.
Cold weather (above zeroF) doesn’t degrade a battery! You will lose capacity, but when it warms up, you get the lost capacity back, no degradation!
All well and good, the issue however will be the charging infrastructure that currently isn't in place. Perhaps you could talk about that.
do you have a powerpoint at home?
Elon is Leonardo of modern times.
No he’s not not even close
@@MikeM-xc2ipyeah, DiCaprio much better. And the TMNT. /s
@@MikeM-xc2ip Well Elon may only be roughly half way through his lifespan whereas we have all of Leonardo's lifespan to compare to. So it's not a fair comparison. If Elon lives 40 years more we will have to wait until 2064 to see how many more things Elon invents or develops during his lifetime and then we can have a comparison between Leonardo's life and Elon's life.
@@MikeM-xc2ip Correct, Elon actually makes useful things that people can use. Leonardo not so much.
@MikeM-xc2ip
Th Li Megs doesn’t have LFP, it has CATL’s new NMC battery.
Can you verify this information?
@@zych84 actually, I was wrong it is LFP it’s the Qilin that came out in June 2022.
who cares what it is .. ive seen the numbers ,.., that thing is a charging monster .. sadly they've been slammed by fud in china calling them a funeral casket ... and so now I know its definitely good haha
@@robertjohnson6639 You were right, Qilin is NMC.
@@dawsap1 Qilin is neither NMC nor LFP. Qilin is a cell-to-pack battery architecture, that CATL can fill up with any cells they want.
Do these new batteries use Niobium?
Hi Sam, my wife and I are keen to buy an EV next year and I’ve been watching your videos for about 12 months. I’m still in a quandary as to what range I would actually get in real life as opposed to the manufacturer figures that you quote. I saw a UK program recently which tested the range on 12 different cars. The cars were put on a race track and deriven at 30 mph, 40 mph and a short while at 70 mph- so a quite realistic test somewhat representative of real world usage. Most only achieved 70 % of quoted range figures. The conditions were good and it looked like a fair test. So if we also take into account that its only feasible to charge to 80% when out driving then it looks to us that the actual range of EVs is about 56% of quoted and even this doesn’t take into account loss if range with age - can you comment on this please? Some guidance would be appreciated!
Watch the out of spec motoring channel where they range test cars at 70 mph until they die. Edit: And if you plan to take a long trip just charge to 100% that one time before you set out.
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apparently sodium batteries will be able to charge in 2-3 minutes... several times faster than lithium... because they dont have graphite as an electrolyte... but i dont think they will be on the model 2... who knows when they will be widely available
The next VW will have sodium batteries, and BYD is making factories for building them
@@jasoncarmichael4540 yeah in the west its always "it will be ready by 2030" while china was doing it 2 years go... it is what it is
@@LoneWolf-wp9dnAlas, this seems quite true. I really hope Chinese cars don’t become our own choice. I just saw a Lotus Eletre (Chinese owned) on display while in Kuala Lumpur on holiday. I’m not into SUV’s, but wow! That is an exciting car. Mercedes and similar brands need to get on it ASAP, make exciting cars, regain reliability and stop treating customers with contempt and acting like it’s a privilege to be allowed the “honour” of buying their overpriced and overrated products.
Thank you for your channel, I appreciate it. I want to love BEV's, but I have no confidence in BEV's - Short range (why does every 3xx mile range BEV only get 200 miles?), poor charging infrastructure, long charging queues, every battery pack will fail (this is a huge disincentive to buy a used BEV), the electric motors and inverters can also fail - $6K for a model 3 motor - that's an expensive motor, Insurance premiums are skyrocketing on BEV's - I have no accidents, no tickets and my quoted insurance is double what a new Audi costs, why?
V4 charger, a 20-30% smaller battery too, this makes sense. Model 2 is going to be a game changer, that's for sure. However personally for me, I need 3x rows, and no EV is anywhere close to the price of my base model Kia Sorento ($31k w/ 3x rows), so I think it's going to be a while before I buy an EV
everything is game changing. lol
That’s called marketing
Yyyyeah. Don't hold your breath. People have died waiting on FSD to actually be a thing, so...
Do hold your breath,please! You can join them.🤭
@malcolmrickarby2313 No, actually, I can't. There isn't one aspect of EVs that benefits or even services my needs and situation; quite the opposite. As long as it's a choice foisted on us for crap excuses (the planet, etc), NO ONE should join.
Unless they like their movement chained with a built in iPad, I guess...
I won't be switching to an EV until we have at least a 50 year battery. That's little to no degradation with normal driving over 50 years. From what I've read, the M3P battery is a step forward but the solid state batteries to come are much better.
Makes my Leaf look pretty sick, it was obsolete in 2020 before I bought it. I get the range in KM what I am supposed to get in miles
You don’t want to know what the leaf gets in miles. Stick to km’s - sounds a whole lot better 😂
Really hope shenxing goes in the Model Y Juniper.
I'll believe Tesla will sell a new car for $25K when I'm able to actually buy a new Tesla for $25K and not one second before.
I concur 😂
Better when colder makes sense to me. Charging in general generates heat. Fast charging even more. Every manufacturer even Tesla has a cutoff where the pack approaches a heat threshold it must throttle down. Now if these batteries are already great at fast charging, it would make sense that these particular batteries would work better in the cold. Because their starting temperature when changing in the cold(of course this varies) will always be further away from the heat threshold than when charging in warmer temperatures. Which makes is why these would "work better" in the colder climates. At as far as charging goes. Truthful you may get an extra 5 min boost of faster charging but that would still prove the concept true.
If CATL have these Battery's BYD will soon have the SAME BATTERYS ?
It depends on the agreement, but I would be amazed if this technology doesn’t find its way into other vehicles batteries
Something more affordable, is way overdue.
Elon said He wanna see everybody in a EV.
We gonna see Everybody in an EV. Tesla, BYD, Wuling Bingo, Bingo Plus. Etcetera.😊👍⚡⚡⚡
Yes we will if you live long enough
@@tomchan4739 🤣🤣🤣
A lot of stuff Elon Musk says does come about.
But usually, it is 3 or 4 years after the date he originally set.
America likes large suvs not tiny cars gas ev or otherwise.
Yes you are correct, large gas guzzling and polluting vehicles to give lung cancer to everyone around them because they can’t see past their noses or egos.it’s all about how it ‘looks’ when the kids are delivered to soccer practice. In the end they will become as extinct as dinosaurs in museums.
MGB and Jag XKEs were primarily sold in North America.
From "The MG Experience" IIRC, about 2/3 of the MGBs produced were sold in North America (Canada and the U.S. primarily). I believe that 1/3 were sold in California alone
the world is not just America.
@@allenhill4578 LOL Every now and then comments like your has me appending
***** WARNING AMERICAN CONTENT *****
to my posts. Seriously if you say Europe likes small cars do any Americans jump on your backside ?
@@danharold3087 point accepted. Although I was replying to the original comment implying that the model 2 will be a failure
Ty for good content =p as a sam fan we know you, you sir, are the gamechanger user number 1.
Best wishes to your fam and f cancer mate.
The CATL equipment is to make batteries for Mepapacks not for Model 2. Model 2 is designed to be used with a 4680 pack.
Guess the media will now complain the batteries don’t work as well in warm weather!
More click bait, article says the battery "may charge in 15 minutes 20% to 80%".
Viking will this be in the 4680 form factor in the future //????
Good vid
Will believe it WHEN it goes into production. There have been soooooooo many game changers that I've given up on this BS.
ICE ain't going anywhere
I hate ice because it’s frustrating to go to smelling gas stations, charging @home is so good and easy
Shenxing leverages the super electronic network cathode technology and fully nano-crystallized LFP cathode material to create a super electronic network, which facilitates the extraction of lithium ions and the rapid response to charging signals. Furthermore, CATL’s latest second-generation fast ion ring technology is used to modify the properties of the graphite surface, which increases intercalation channels and shortens the intercalation distance for lithium ions, creating an expressway for current conduction.
Summarized: CATL manages to create "highways" and "shortcuts" within the Shenxing battery...where traditional LFPs need to use "village roads" and longer routes to circumvene traffic jams.
Going to 30 to 40 percent when this happens. You said that really fast. Exciting, I agree.
If we get to 10% in this year, plus Tesla supercharger expansion ongoing that will really prepare.
Imagine the upgraded 3, quite a sports car. The Y, most popular in the world. And a cheap car, probably at least two versions, that will disrupt lower price car offerings.
Still not enough charging stations, not enough range, insurance cost.. etc. Not a game changer.
There are plenty including every house and business.👍🏽
I do believe it’s a big mistake Tesla using a Chinese manufacturer and not putting in house manufactured batteries.
Sounds like they will be.
Did you watch the same video?
How long will the tires last?
About as much as on an ICE as long as you drive like a normal person. If you floor it constantly, then they'll dwindle quickly of course.
LI Motor MPV Mega can charge in 12 minutes and have about 500km range.. the Li NMC battery from CATL...baterry is progressing so fast i think in next two year we probably have a car that can charge in 5 minutes.
Ahh, the weekly dose of “revolutionary new battery knells the death toll for ice cars and legacy auto…”🤷♂️😂
It’s already happening around the world. Norway, Denmark, Thailand, China, even Australia, Britain and the U.S. are slowly converting to EVs due to high maintenance and FUEL costs of ice cars. Your ignorance is astonishing. Sam is correct, it will only accelerate from here.
@@RandyP-jr1ek Your opinion is noted and accepted as such - your opinion. It is a bit sad that you chose to stoop to the level of characterising a differing opinion as “ignorance.”
@@mathysdupreez602 Ignorance does not imply Stupidity -- that's pretty much permanent. Ignorance is ignoring or dismissing facts that perhaps everyone else takes for granted. If you take as fact the best selling car was an EV last year -- 2023; for the first time in automotive history, then why is it so hard to see this tidal wave coming at you?
Three years ago, I was flat out wrong. After 2 yrs of research on EVs, my wife and I now have 2 Model Ys.
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Wow you must really like depreciation and long trips being a pia.
Our 2 ICE vehicles have been great, do what we want them to do, total cost of ownership has been good and unless things change a lot our next vehicle will be ICE as well.
Hope you didn't have to borrow money to get your appliances.
2 years isn't long enough to even pay for the loan much less figure out how that EV is going to pan out vs say a Nissan Versa that cost 50% less and gets 40 Mpg... whos tires cost $200 for a set of 4.
@@oldbloke204You are polluting and causing harm to humans. If you have kids, you are poisoning them and their friends.
@@oldbloke204 have you ever owned an EV? I safely guess that you have not. So, what do you KNOW, outside all the disinformation you have HEARD on EV hate sites! And you swallowed those lies hook, line and sinker. As to your regurgitated farts:
- Depreciation on my 2019 Model 3 is less than it would be on most ICE cars of the same year and mileage. Thank you for worrying.
- Long trips are a pleasure. Yes, they do take 10 or 20 more minutes (for 500-800 miles), but it put us in a much safer and more comfortable driving habit.
- Total costs of ownership? A fraction of those of the BMW it replaced. After 5 years and 90'000+ miles, I believe that I can start making valid long-term comparisons!
Summary: it is by far the best car I have ever owned and, at age 65, I have owned a decent few!
Oh! Oldbloke! I only paid attention to your "handle" now. Haven't our paths already crossed??? 😄 I thought wisdom came with age... but I was obviously wrong!
I don't mean to be contrarian or argumentative, but even if Tesla does manufacture/sell Model 2's in 2025, I don't see how they can possibly scale production fast enough to achieve the penetration numbers you're suggesting for several years (I think you're stating 30-40% EV share in just a few months).
Yeah, if Tesla fulfills their promise regarding price point with a decently sized battery (~50 kWh), then the Model 2 has the potential to outperform the Model Y. But they still need to ramp up production, which takes time and I doubt they'll manage to be much faster than with the Model Y.
I worked with modern energy battery scientists in the US, South Korea, and China (Hangzhou) and also with Chinese EV manufacturers incl. BYD. All agree that we are still at the early phase of this product life-cycle curve, similar to ICE technology in the early 1900'. So, apart from this latest change that is coming there are far more advancements coming in the future.
Despite this being a CATL product, I've learned that with Tesla, specifically Elon, you have to wait to see it before you believe it.
Problem is we don't have the infrastructure to supply the electricity. California can't even supply enough electricity currently. And price is adjusted by supply and demand so little supply and huge demand will sky rocket prices especially super charging which is already approaching 50cents kwh
Stop whining and get a solar system on your roof. Be part of the solution,not the problem!🌝
@malcolmrickarby2313 I'm saying the nation as a whole is not prepared and if I'm on the road a solar system on my roof doesn't help .
California's electricity constraints are self-imposed.
@@ItsMe-sq8em Actually,your rooftop solar contributes to the grid just like anything else creating electricity. It flows both ways.
I really, really, really hope these new CATL batteries are that good because economies of scale could help lower the per unit EV cost so that mass market takes off like rocket...
CATL themselves have announced that a 60 kWh battery pack by the middle of this year will cost less than £3000. So yeah I think game changer is a fair comment. If they offer ones that charge faster, then that’s another nail in the coffin.
When they have RoboTaxi out and these cars are wireless charging. They want them to charge fast. The time gained (out and about) collecting customers with faster charging will be a massive increase to revenue! These quick charges are also going to let a lot of people who are "on the fence" about owning an E.V. finally decide to get one. However, advertising needs to tell them, not everyone watches these types of channels and knows. Also on the Robo Taxies... they could have a sign on the side that says "Charges in 10 minutes" things like that will also help spread the word!
fast charging will never be a real life situation, the grid can't supply the current required, especially for multiple vehicles at once at a charging station.
And “charging in 10 minutes” doesn’t mean anything. I could plug in for 10 minutes and get 60 miles range. ICE drivers proudly claim 5 minutes fill up from their 20 megawatt gasoline pump.